Anyone else worried for Clark's "justice"?

[SnowBird]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

NO man should treat a woman like that, period. Especially Superman.

No woman should act like Tess either. She was directly responsible for killing Jor-El and others in the past. She has no problem physically fighting women or men to get what she wants. If she is going to act like a man, then she shouldn't expect to be treated like a woman.

Clark is not Superman yet. He is still on his journey.

[jpfort1957]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

NO man should treat a woman like that, period. Especially Superman.

If she wants to play games with peoples lives like she does........she deserves it. Don't forget Tess is a murderer!!!

[Eeyore840]

Originally Posted by SnowBird

No woman should act like Tess either. She was directly responsible for killing Jor-El and others in the past. She has no problem physically fighting women or men to get what she wants. If she is going to act like a man, then she shouldn't expect to be treated like a woman.

Clark is not Superman yet. He is still on his journey.

So it's okay if he throws a few women around on his way there? Not in my book.

Originally Posted by jpfort1957

If she wants to play games with peoples lives like she does........she deserves it. Don't forget Tess is a murderer!!!

I am not defending Tess. I am objecting to Clark's behavior. He is Superman. No need to behave the way he did tonight. He's better than that.

[SnowBird]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

So it's okay if he throws a few women around on his way there? Not in my book.

When did he throw Tess?

[HotStudsSuccess]

Originally Posted by SnowBird

When did he throw Tess?

Yea, Clark kind of gave Tess a gentle push to the computer "have a seat, beautiful"

[Eeyore840]

Originally Posted by SnowBird

When did he throw Tess?

Rewatch the episode. You will see that he doesn't exactly stand by politely while Tess gracefully makes her way to her computer to help him locate his father and Zod.

Does the word manhandle work better for you? I don't mean Throw in the way that was Clark's M.O. in dealing with everyone in the earlier seasons. But I think you know that already.
So I'm going to bed. Good night.

[HeroesAllDay]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

So it's okay if he throws a few women around on his way there? Not in my book.

If those few women are responsible for the kidnapping of his father and are refusing to disclose where he is, then absolutely. I wouldn't object to torture in that situation. I don't care if it were a woman or a man. You kidnap someone's father and then play it off like you had nothing to do with it, you deserve a lot worse than a choke to have the information extracted from you. Woman or man.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by quietone

No, I'm not worried. Clark experienced a similar reaction in Vengeance - when he confronted the guys who mugged Martha - and he came to his senses just in time. I expect he'll react the same way again if a similar scenario presents itself in the future.

Exactly. And I think, hopefully, we'll get to see what could have happened with the Doomsday arc last year play out with Zod in some fashion this year, as far as Clark's justice goes.

[Michael Scarn]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

Rewatch the episode. You will see that he doesn't exactly stand by politely while Tess gracefully makes her way to her computer to help him locate his father and Zod.

Does the word manhandle work better for you? I don't mean Throw in the way that was Clark's M.O. in dealing with everyone in the earlier seasons. But I think you know that already.
So I'm going to bed. Good night.

After asking Tess where his father was, Tess denied any knowing of Jor-El, she got under Clark's skin but his actions were justified. Tess used Jor-El as bait and he knew she had him. If Clark acted any different I would say it would be out of character. "Don't touch me because im a woman" doesnt cut it when it comes to someone like Tess Mercer. She played the game and she got served. Too bad Jor-El had to die in the end because of it.

[xrayvision]

It's all part of Lex's master plan. I love it. Lex, you evil bastard you. You will make every Smallville fan kneel before you if my suspicions come true.

[Michael Scarn]

Originally Posted by xrayvision

It's all part of Lex's master plan. I love it. Lex, you evil bastard you. You will make every Smallville fan kneel before you if my suspicions come true.

I hope you are right as I am waiting for the King himself to return back to smallville!

[Farm_Girl]

Clark isn't going to kill Zod. He was angry that is why he said all those things. Clark Kent doesn't kill and the last thing he needs is Oliver 'pulling' him back, the same man who has already killed someone (even if he isn't technically dead, Ollie's motive was to kill).

As for Tess, she's a psycho. She has been crossing her limits for a long time now and Clark has been ignoring her, but putting Jor El in danger was really too much. We know that she has ulterior motives behind everything she does and Clark has realized that for quite some time now too. This wasn't her decision to make. If she had been sincere to Clark, she would have gone and told him about Jor El because she knows he has the power to protect him but we know Tess is a manipulative and twisted woman so I don't find anything wrong with Clark trying to take out information from her the way he did.

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Originally Posted by Eeyore840

So it's okay if he throws a few women around on his way there? Not in my book.



I am not defending Tess. I am objecting to Clark's behavior. He is Superman. No need to behave the way he did tonight. He's better than that.

Clark didn't harm Tess, he just put her in her place. Tess is a maniac. She's dangerous that an out and out enemy because you don't know which side she is on. Her whole "I'm trying to protect Kal-El/humans/humanity" thing is really a twisted belief and she's willing to take law in her hands, kill people and manipulate them to achieve it. Clark really didn't have time to solve riddles with her at that moment, thus he did what he had to.

[TOMophilus]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

NO man should treat a woman like that, period. Especially Superman.

What about equal rights ---> equal treatment?

Being grabbed by the throat like that is equally dangerous for both men and women. In fact it comes close to hanging someone. So we either are allowed to do it with both genders or with none. I´d rather opt for none.

[tmchale1970]

Originally Posted by Eeyore840

Yes, Clark is a powerful Alien, but choking a woman and shoving her in a rough manner is not Superman behavior. I just don't like to see Clark acting that way.

Tess deserved what she got, she set Jor-el up as bait knowing ZOD would kill him.I`m sure poor Tessy is alright.

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Originally Posted by Farm_Girl

Clark isn't going to kill Zod. He was angry that is why he said all those things. Clark Kent doesn't kill and the last thing he needs is Oliver 'pulling' him back, the same man who has already killed someone (even if he isn't technically dead, Ollie's motive was to kill).

As for Tess, she's a psycho. She has been crossing her limits for a long time now and Clark has been ignoring her, but putting Jor El in danger was really too much. We know that she has ulterior motives behind everything she does and Clark has realized that for quite some time now too. This wasn't her decision to make. If she had been sincere to Clark, she would have gone and told him about Jor El because she knows he has the power to protect him but we know Tess is a manipulative and twisted woman so I don't find anything wrong with Clark trying to take out information from her the way he did.

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Clark didn't harm Tess, he just put her in her place. Tess is a maniac. She's dangerous that an out and out enemy because you don't know which side she is on. Her whole "I'm trying to protect Kal-El/humans/humanity" thing is really a twisted belief and she's willing to take law in her hands, kill people and manipulate them to achieve it. Clark really didn't have time to solve riddles with her at that moment, thus he did what he had to.

well said Farm girl you are quite right

[badraven]

Well I for one thought Clark was very specific when he used the word justice. He doesn't want vengence or revenge, he wants justice. He wants Zod to answer for his crimes. After all not only did Zod kill Clark's father (TWICE) but he was the man responsible for the destruction of Krypton. The crime of genocide, the worst crime known to humanity. Zod and Zod's double/clone seem to be one in the same. I think Clark intends to punish Zod as he was before. Exile as a disembodied spirt in the Phantom Zone for all time.

As for Clark manhandling Tess. I don't have a problem with it. He was very upset, Tess was lying to him about his own father and Clark needed her to understand that he wasn't in the mood to play games. Which seems that is all Tess wants to do. Of course in the real world I don't think a man should ever do something like that to a woman but in the SV-verse Clark is so much more powerfull than ANYONE that there really isn't anything like a fair fight. It doesn't bother me when Clark does it to other low lifes...thus it didn't bother me when he did it to Tess.

[Vergon6]

Originally Posted by badraven

Well I for one thought Clark was very specific when he used the word justice. He doesn't want vengence or revenge, he wants justice. He wants Zod to answer for his crimes. After all not only did Zod kill Clark's father (TWICE) but he was the man responsible for the destruction of Krypton. The crime of genocide, the worst crime known to humanity. Zod and Zod's double/clone seem to be one in the same. I think Clark intends to punish Zod as he was before. Exile as a disembodied spirt in the Phantom Zone for all time.

As for Clark manhandling Tess. I don't have a problem with it. He was very upset, Tess was lying to him about his own father and Clark needed her to understand that he wasn't in the mood to play games. Which seems that is all Tess wants to do. Of course in the real world I don't think a man should ever do something like that to a woman but in the SV-verse Clark is so much more powerfull than ANYONE that there really isn't anything like a fair fight. It doesn't bother me when Clark does it to other low lifes...thus it didn't bother me when he did it to Tess.

I agree with everything you said. And besides, we all know Clark does not intend to harm her, he is strong arming her. If I am not mistaken, Superman has done it in the past in other incarnations.

[xrayvision]

Originally Posted by Farm_Girl

Clark isn't going to kill Zod. He was angry that is why he said all those things. Clark Kent doesn't kill and the last thing he needs is Oliver 'pulling' him back, the same man who has already killed someone (even if he isn't technically dead, Ollie's motive was to kill).

I don't think he will. Not only do I not want Oliver pulling him back, but I also don't want Lois pulling him back. I want him to come to his own conclusion that killing is not the way to go. But something tells me that they will once again rip out an integral part of what is in every version of Clark Kent/Superman and in Smallville give that sense of reason to not kill to Lois and have her be the reason just like they did with Lana in Requiem when Clark was about to kill Lex. I hope I'm wrong and that Clark comes to his own senses like he did in Vengeance. Clark didn't kill Lex who had the real Zod in him---the Zod who actually wiped out an entire planet of Clark's own race/species, including the real Jor-El & Lara. But now he's going to kill a Zod clone who Clark is not even sure killed Jor-El?

This is one of the things that convinces me Lex is behind it. I'm sure Lex was egging on Clark to "kill" him (a cyborg version of Lex in the truck) back in Requiem by having that bomb set up on the Daily Planet roof to anger Clark by splitting him & Lana up forever. And now, he killed Jor-El to egg Clark on to kill Zod.

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Originally Posted by Michael Scarn

I hope you are right as I am waiting for the King himself to return back to smallville!

I hope I am too. Such a return would be beyond awesome. After doing that, it would be on like never before between Lex & Clark. I want him to return and once again say "It's good to be the king".

[Vergon6]

I think what Clark means by justice (if it is in fact Zod), is condemning him once again the Phantom Zone. He now has the guts to do what he hesitated to do with Davis. If that's his plan, I doubt he will be swayed. It would be great if that happened, and Zod combined with the General Zod wraith in the Phantom Zone. Maybe that even causes him to have a mind whammy and refer to Earth as Planet Houston when he gets out...just kidding about the last sentence .

[DavidB1111]

Why does everyone thing Zod killed Jor-El? (Facepalm over 9000! times)

I think it's a literally 100% set in stone that it wasn't Zod who killed Jor-El.
Or any of his minions. Or Tess, or any of her minions. Which, yes, puts Chloe on the list, however far down it she is.

If those few women are responsible for the kidnapping of his father and are refusing to disclose where he is, then absolutely. I wouldn't object to torture in that situation. I don't care if it were a woman or a man. You kidnap someone's father and then play it off like you had nothing to do with it, you deserve a lot worse than a choke to have the information extracted from you. Woman or man.

I fully agree, while it's not nice to hit a woman, if a woman does something like that, then yes, she deserves a broken knee even.
Hey, you can walk around with one knee working.

You don't help sociopaths like Zod kidnap people and not worry about being choked out.

Look, Superman has killed. In the second generation reboot, comic number 20 or so, Superman kills Zod, and two other Kryptonians using Gold and Green kryptonite, because he found himself in an alternate reality where the world's atomsphere was ripped off by Zod and the other two.

6 billion died, and Superman merited out the ultimate Justice. Death.

So, Superman usually has a vow against killing, but it's not impossible for him to kill. He's done it probably before that case against Zod.

[Eeyore840]

Originally Posted by TOMophilus

What about equal rights ---> equal treatment?

Being grabbed by the throat like that is equally dangerous for both men and women. In fact it comes close to hanging someone. So we either are allowed to do it with both genders or with none. I´d rather opt for none.

I agree--no one should treat another human being that way, male or female.

And I'm not defending Tess' actions. She is a villian. In my opinion, Superman's behavior should be better than the average human's.