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Old 11-07-2009, 03:15 PM   #41
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But it wasn't a choke hold, because she could talk perfectly. If anything, it was more a grab then anything else.

Yes, it's not nice, But again, Superman isn't you know, 100% nice.
Except when he's exposed to Pink Kryptonite. "Have I ever told you how smashing you look in that bow-tie, Jimmy."

I mean, yes, you're not supposed to beat people up, but sorry, it's a fact of life, saying it shouldn't happen shows a little too much faith in humanity.

Bottom Line, Clark should be excused for the violence because of what Tess did. She's lucky he didn't show her one of the 37 ways to break a neck.
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:54 PM   #42
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Regarding Clark's "vow," I was strongly reminded of that episode of The Batman (don't kill me! ) that deals with the origin of Robin: after Zucco kills his parents, Dick swears he's gonna make sure he gets what he deserves. Bruce is slightly wary of this mindset, and decides to hunt Zucco down on his own. However, while fighting him, Zucco accidentally slips and falls off the tightrope thing, only for Robin to catch him and turn him over to the police...

Batman: Nice save. But I thought you wanted Zucco to get what was coming to him.
Dick: Well, he did, didn’t he? Justice.

I'm sure Clark will take the high road here; the show's gotten to a point where Clark's morals are finally shaping up and he himself is more level-headed than ever.

----- Added 7 Minutes later -----

As for Tess, well, it's not every day you're searching for your kidnapped biological father. I don't fault Clark for playing rough, so long as this isn't like his normal thing.

The idea that this would've been okay if he'd done that to a man, whereas Tess is a woman so it's not okay, however, is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Chivalry is not dead by any means; I myself hold the door open for ladies and I'd never think of hitting one or anything, but then, I've never been in a life-or-death situation like that. When the villainess kidnaps your father, especially when she denies it and finally admits she let him get kidnapped by an even worse villain, you can't seriously be expected to wipe the dust off her chair and pull it out for her while you ask her to pretty please clean up the mess she made, ma'am, oh-by-the-way-you-look-lovely-today.

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Old 11-07-2009, 04:07 PM   #43
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Good point, Skaterpen.
It's silly that people are like. "Oh, no, you cannot hurt a woman!"
Women hurt each other all the bloody time, why can't a man hit a woman who kidnaps his father? Duh, I mean, most people would have to be held back by an armored tank column to prevent them from strangling the woman.

I know I would be the same way, and my Dad's dead.
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:32 PM   #44
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He had no problem killing Brainiac because he was a machine (even though that didn't work), so maybe he will have no problem killing Zod because he's a clone. I don't think Clark was really that upset that the Lara & Jor-El clones were killed--it was just hard because it reminded him that he never knew his real parents. But Jonathan & Martha were the best parents, so he really should get over it!
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:51 PM   #45
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Dude, it's the death of his biological dad. If he gets over it any time soon, he won't be considered a human being! And yes, I know he's an alien. The point remains, he might as well try to crush the world with an iron fist, because getting over the loss of his biological dad in a split second isn't the surest sign of mental stability.

My dad died over 4 years ago, and I sure as shooting haven't gotten over it completely.

I and all those who have lost a parent are very insulted by your post, dunkman.
Honestly, you're saying that he shouldn't care that his dad died for more than a little bit.
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:40 PM   #46
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Good point, Skaterpen.
It's silly that people are like. "Oh, no, you cannot hurt a woman!"
Women hurt each other all the bloody time, why can't a man hit a woman who kidnaps his father? Duh, I mean, most people would have to be held back by an armored tank column to prevent them from strangling the woman.

I know I would be the same way, and my Dad's dead.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Women do hurt each other all the time, and in general I think girl fights and gang violence is a disgusting thing. Gender is irrelevant. However, in this situation, I feel Clark's attack on Tess was unSupermanly. I think he could have intimidated her enough by gripping her arms tightly or some other gesture to make her keenly aware of the possibility of her being hurt if she didn't cooperate. There are other ways he could have used his physical presence to convince her to give him the information than to hold her up by the neck.

It's not silly to expect humanity to treat each other like the human beings that we are instead of behaving like animals. Better to set high expectations for human behavior than low, imo.

But aside from the Clark/Tess scene, I enjoyed the episode immensely.
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:45 PM   #47
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Oddly, I think the grabbing by the neck was needed. Mostly to show off his strength, and to show her that he wasn't playing the whole nice guy routine anymore.

I don't know. I don't like violence that much myself, but sometimes, you have to do it. Some people do not react to niceness. I mean, I'm sorry ,but Tess is a person that you have to shock her with violence to get her to agree with you. She is not a good person.

Sorry. I mean, part of me wanted him to say after all that. "Okay, you have outlived your usefulness."

Clark Kent wins, Fatality.
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