Anti-Episode Wars—The Worst of All Seasons

[Dr. Walden]

This was actually proposed in the original Episode Wars thread, and I liked the idea, and thought I would set it up at least to gauge interest. I'm personally curious to see how certain hotly debated episodes do, namely Reckoning and Promise, and which premieres and finales lose, given the high quality of most of these episodes.

Basically, choose your least favorite episode of each episode number in order to establish a season of the worst episodes.

If I hear enough support for the idea, I'll start it on July 16th. The format would be roughly the same as vyperman's Episode Wars, so I'll just copy and paste the rules over for any newcomers.


Goal :

To establish a 22 episode season based on the fans' choices of each episode number.

Example :

Round One

Episode 1- Pilot , Vortex, Exile, Crusade, Arrival, and Zod
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis, Heat, Phoenix, Gone, Mortal, and Sneeze
Episode 3- Hothead, Duplicity, Extinction, Facade, Hidden, and Wither

You choose your least favorite eps based on the episode number.

A round should look like :

Episode 1 - Exile
Episode 2 - Heat
Episode 3 - Hidden

Then 4-6 and so on..

Rules

1) Once your choices are made, there is no going back for the round. All votes are final. I keep a running total of votes through out the round, to prevent vote changes.

2) You are allowed to post why you made the choices you did, and discussion is allowed and highly encouraged. Debating is half the fun. However, PLEASE keep the discussions civil and do not bash someone for their choices. Remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

3) If there is a tie, which happened more than a few times the last time around, there will be a 3 day sudden death vote off between the two episodes that tied.

4) Each round will consist of three days to get as many votes as possible. Please make sure to highlight your choices clearly with the black text modifier to make it as easy as possible when I am tallying the votes. Also make sure to state the episode number you are voting for.

The black text modifier is putting a B in brackets before your choice, and then after your choice putting a /B in brackets.

5) Due to the fact that S2 has 23 episodes, Calling/Exodus are combined as one episode to face off against the other season finales, with the exception of Tempest since it is number 21 of S1.

I will post the results in this post.

Losing Season
Episode 1-Vortex (18/21 votes)
Episode 2-Metamorphosis (Beat Gone 10-8)
Episode 3-Fierce (Beat Wither 10-9)
Episode 4-Cure (Beat Aqua 8-7, Devoted and Slumber each got 4)
Episode 5-Thirst (Beat Nocturne 9-8)
Episode 6-Redux
Episode 7-Magnetic
Episode 8-Static
Episode 9-Subterranean (Beat Bound 11-9)
Episode 10-Fanatic
Episode 11-Lockdown
Episode 12-Fracture (Got 6 votes, Pariah had 5, Reckoning had 4, Leech and Hereafter had 3 each)
Episode 13-Hero (Beat Recruit 6-5)
Episode 14-Tomb (Beat Trespass 8-6)
Episode 15-Resurrection
Episode 16-Lucy (Beat Hypnotic 10-7)
Episode 17-Sleeper (15/20 votes)
Episode 18-Drone (Beat Visitor 8-5)
Episode 19-Precipice
Episode 20-Ageless (16/21 votes)
Episode 21-Forever
Episode 22-Vessel

[BadToad]

:lol: Hey, why not? I'll participate. Just let me know when I should start voting.

[stenochick]

I'm in.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I'm also interested, although I like most of the Episodes. I'm willing to pick the least favorite. I like the game. Dr. Walden, is there a reason, you didn't include S7 episodes in your examples?

[zodiscoming12345]

I'm in

[Lex Dance]

I'm up for it too but, like SparkleforSmallville says, for the majority of the time I'll vote for my least favourite rather than hating on episodes. :)

[Dr. Walden]

I didn't include S7 because I copied and pasted from the first post of the other Episode Wars, and vyperman wrote that pre-Season 7. Season 7 will be included, of course.

Of course I expect most Smallville fans to not hate on the episodes, but we all have those episodes that just didn't quite resonate...and personally I know I have guilty pleasure episodes that most people don't care for, so that'll be interesting.

[lana 9]

i'm up for to

[Pedroff]

The worst episodes were with Lois in them, the few that thay were, hehe. No doubt the Clana/Lana haters will respond, so predictable, LOL. That's all I wanted to say in this thread, kthxbye. :lol::lol::lol::cool:

[borednow]

I'm in.

[krewsaider]

I'll give it a try.

[MBrittan]

Sure, why not?
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

Okay, this seems to at least have adequate support, so everyone come back on July 16th to start voting!

[skully]

Count me in, Dr. W.

[Twitch]

Sounds good to me.

[alejandrita439]

im in

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

sure , this should be interesting

[Dr. Walden]

Alright lets get this rolling. Voting begins now, on July 16th and will go until July 19th. This round will be episodes numbers 1, 2 and 3. Please remember to bold your choices to make it easier for me to count. The options for each episode are:

Episode 1:
S1-Pilot
S2-Vortex
S3-Exile
S4-Crusade
S5-Arrival
S6-Zod
S7-Bizarro

Episode 2:
S1-Metamorphosis
S2-Heat
S3-Phoenix
S4-Gone
S5-Mortal
S6-Sneeze
S7-Kara

Episode 3:
S1-Hothead
S2-Duplicity
S3-Extinction
S4-Facade
S5-Hidden
S6-Wither
S7-Fierce


My choices are...

Episode 1-Vortex
Episode 2-Gone
Episode 3-Fierce

I find it a lot harder to choose least favorite episodes so far...justification...

Episode 1 was really a contest between Vortex and Crusade for me. I don't think Bizarro was excellent, but I enjoyed Chloe's developing story and Bizarro's antics. The rest were all far beyond those 3 in every way. Crusade didn't do it for me, as I don't like Lois at all, and her introduction annoyed me, and Lana's witch story also isn't my favorite. The first time I watched it, I was intrigued, but since it has faded. However, it really set up for a promising season as far as Clark went with the stones arc (execution of this arc is an entirely different story). Vortex disappointed me a bit after Tempest. It just wasn't all that interesting to me. Lex shooting Nixon and Lionel revealing that he's blind were both great moments, but it really left me wanting more, so I have to choose Vortex here.

Episode 2 was hard as well. I don't like the main plot in Metamorphosis at all, but at the beginning of the series there was still so much character development and interaction going on. Sneeze bored me for the most part, but a new power is always interesting. Gone, however, has very few redeeming qualities. Really was connected very little to anything that happened in the premiere except for the Chloe story. Bad FOTW, developed his connection with Lionel and his entire backstory very minimally. I still don't like Lois. So there's my choice.

Episode 3 has some great ones, and some very poor ones. I expect this to be a Wither-Fierce fight. I choose Fierce, but it was very close. Despite it being so bad, Wither did involve a zoner, whereas Fierce involved a beauty pageant. Wither was a useless filler episode, but Fierce was a total waste of Kara. I came in expecting that she would somehow help Clark on the path to his destiny. Instead, a beauty pageant. Seemed like an excuse to parade the new hot girl around. Lexana was painful in Wither, but Fierce takes the cake here for being so much more pointless. It even brushed aside Lana's return. I've talked myself into it being not very close anymore.

[skully]

I agree entirely Dr W.

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Gone
Episode 3 - Fierce

Vortex purely by a process of elimination. I don't think any of the premieres were poor but the other 6 either just shade or totally blow away Vortex.

Gone, mainly because of the lamest FotW ever. Trent could have been awesome but he was poorly written and poorly acted.

Fierce just shades Wither. But I have watched Wither many times and the really bad bit is the lame killing of Gloria but otherwise the episode is OK. Fierce is just weak. It is poorly scripted and poorly acted. I agree, it's just a total filler episode, and very disappointing.


BTW, are you in the States, Dr W?

[minerva73]

Thanks for setting this up, Dr. Walden. :)

Episode 1 Choice: Vortex
Episode 2 Choice: Gone
Episode 3 Choice: Wither

"Vortex" was a pretty decent premiere, but compared to all the others, this one wasn't as action-packed and exciting IMO. Clark saves Lana from the tornado, Roger Nixon dies, and the episode continues with everyone talking about their feelings about the recent events... In the other premieres like "Exile" and "Bizarro", the constant chaos and horror continues throughout the premiere until about the last five minutes of the episode, so there isn't any useless talking scenes like there was in "Vortex" (like Lana talking to Martha about her feelings).

"Gone" made me vomit to be honest. There were some nice Clark/Lois scenes which I enjoyed, but everything else...wasn't done well... The battle with Trent was soooo anti-climactic. The Lionel scenes weren't my favorite Lionel scenes either, those felt rather awkward despite the fact that when he had his scenes in "Transference" which was just a few episodes later, I thought he did extremely well.

I was debating whether to choose between "Wither" or "Facade". About a month or two ago, I would've chosen "Fierce", but now it's grown on me because of Kristin Kreuk's fantastic performance. All of the other plots in "Fierce" sucked like the beginning of the Chloe/Jimmy/Kara triangle and Kara trying to fit in, but the revival of Clark and Lana's relationship was great and so was Lana's attempt to "defend" herself from Lex. The acting in "Wither" just seemed like lazy acting IMO. The Lois/Oliver scenes had no spark to them as well as the Chloe/Jimmy kiss in the beginning. Lex's line to Lana about her following him into his secret lair was delivered well, but it was still gag-worthy IMO. The action with Gloria....not so much. :\

[MrsK]

Episode 1-Vortex
Episode 2-Gone
Episode 3-Wither

I chose both Vortex and Gone by process of elimination. There really are no bad season openers, and I actually liked a lot about Gone - Lois doesn't bother me like she does some people, and I especially liked her in those first few episodes of S4. The Clark/Lois humor in that episode is good, as is the Clark/Lex tension. However, some stiff competition from other episodes and a lame FOTW puts this one at the bottom of my list. Metamorphosis was a close second for the bug-boy plot, but I love the character development in those early episodes, there was a really good Clark-Lex scene, and Clark was pretty heroic in that ep.

It was a Wither-Fierce contest for me, too, and I think it simply came down to Gloria's demise and some plot holes and poor effects which really took me out of the moment in Wither, plus the Lexana sex - ew! Fierce did have a bad beauty pageant plot, but the rest of it was okay, and the scenes at the end with Kara and Clark, and Kara and Lex set up some of the episodes to come pretty well.

Funny how I find myself talking about what was good about my least favorite episodes - I guess there just aren't too many episodes I really don't like!

[stenochick]

Episode 1: Zod
Episode 2: Sneeze
Episode 3: Wither

I really enjoyed Sneeze. I guess I enjoyed it the least out of the bunch. I enjoyed Zod and Wither too, but I guess it was the Lexana in both that made me like them the least.

[BadToad]

Episode 1:

S2-Vortex

Though really I like all of them. This was just the least great. :)


Episode 2:

S1-Metamorphosis

Bug boy EWWW! And the start of tiresome Lana stalking.

Episode 3:

S6-Wither

I dislike Fierce on pretty much the same level, but Wither just annoys me more.

[quietone]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Fierce

[zodiscoming12345]

Episode 1-Vortex(although this was a pretty good episode, it is just the worst of all of them)
Episode 2-Kara
Episode 3-Wither

[Jaderoyale]

Epidsode 1 - Vortex
Pretty hard one, as i like all the season openers in honesty. But out of all of them, this is my least favourite.

Episode 2 - Gone
I agree with whats been said, the lamest FOTW that i can put to mind.

Episode 3 - Fierce
Its a pretty close call between this one and Wither. Both have to be the most POINTLESS episodes ever imo. Thinking about Fierce makes me angry. What should have been an episode to promote the character of Kara, and create an interesting story arc for her, let us get to know the character more etc... turned out to be so, so diasppointing. And the three beauty pagent 'villains'? Seriously now :\

[Québec]

Episode 1: Vortex
Episode 2: Metamorphosis
Episode 3: Fierce

I like all premieres, Vortex is just my least favourite.

The second one was a contest between Gone and Metamorphosis, but because I love Lois/Clark interaction, I went for metamorphosis.

Fierce was just terribad.

[lana 9]

episode 1 vortex
episode 2 gone
episode 3 wither

[avisray1992]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Extinction

[Lex Dance]

Episode 1 - Bizarro
Episode 2 - Gone
Episode 3 - Wither

Bizarro - both this and Zod left me feeling a bit deflated. Enjoyable episodes as ever, but maybe I was expecting more after the long wait that we always get in the UK. Bizarro has a few moments that annoy me and (at the time) made we worry about the quality of the production: when the man fishing with his son trips up it is perhaps the lamest fall I have ever seen! I hate it when people fall over when they are being chased, but that extra was rubbish! :lol: Despite the big budget, I didn't like the way Clark evaporated the water - it felt a bit silly. And finally, when Clark got punched in the face in slo-mo, my wife started to laugh. Totally ruined the impact of the moment!

Gone - in all honesty I can't remember a single thing about this episode, so for that reason alone it deserves its place. I'm going to have to rewatch it to see this lame FOTW!

Wither - parts of this episode I really enjoy (like the greenhouse scene between Lex and Clark, and the Ball scenes) but the plant lady was such a lazy idea and the effects were very below par. The way Clark disposed of his first zoner was ridiculously easy. For what it's worth, I really enjoyed Fierce - if only for the S1 nostalgic feel to the episode. It was shot in that warm light that they used to use in those days, plus the lame FOTWs was a trip down memory lane.....

[Twitch]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Fierce

[MBrittan]

Episode one: Vortex - not a "bad" episode, but probably the least exciting of the season premieres
Episode two: Metamorphosis - "Bug Boy"? Give me a break. Sneeze was second. The only thing that saved it was the clever way they found to introduce Clark's super breath.
Episode three: Hothead - there really wasn't much to like about season 1 in general. This series really didn't get going until season 2 IMO.
-M-

[krewsaider]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Wither

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Metamorphosis
Episode 3 - Fierce

Each episode has some good scenes, I especially liked the exploding Watermelon in Fierce. Clark in the Tornado was also cool in Vortex. Metamorphosis, well I don't like Bugs.

[Dr. Walden]

Thanks to all those who have voted so far. I don't know how to lock posts, and I'm assuming I can't without being a mod. I'm keeping a running tally, therefore it would be extremely helpful if you didn't go back and edit your choices. Thanks!

[skully]

Good job Dr. W.

[borednow]

Episode 1 - Vortex
Episode 2 - Mortal
Episode 3 - Fierce

[xrayvision]

Episode 1: Crusade
Episode 2: Gone
Episode 3: Wither


For Episode 1, I have to say Crusade. Now I know many people like this episode. But after dissecting it, the only things I liked are: 1) Kal-El flying and 2) The Kent family dynamic towards the end.

What I didn't like:

1. Absolutely no introduction/segway whatsoever to what Lex was doing in Egypt (it was a "what the hell" moment for me)

2. Bridgette Crosby appearing out of nowhere and presto, black kryptonite to the rescue (I like black-k, but not how it was just forced in like that without any buildup or development)

3. The beginning to one of the worst plots ever (the Lana witch possession)

4. Introduction of Lois at least a season before they should have brought her (her presence put a drag on the season and they really didn't do anything good with her until season 5)

5. The whole Paris thing (just was a waste of time)

6. The episode was rushed way too much (they should have learned from the pace they used in Exile & Phoenix, which was great).

When I watched Crusade live as it was on, it was the first time I felt like things weren't right with the show and that it lost a step compared to what it usually was. I thought it was a fluke until Gone aired. I loved Exile, Arrival, Vortex, Pilot, and even Zod was good. Bizarro was another pretty good premiere. So after stripping away the flight from Crusade, I don't see much else that was good with it. The stones plot could have been great, but there was zero buildup/development & the rest of the season ruined that plot.


For Episode 2, I had to choose Gone. Like I said, I thought Crusade was just a fluke and the next episode would be great. But I was wrong. Gone was worse than Crusade. Much worse. The helicopter scene was the most pointless from the entire show. I didn't like the retcon of the safehouse explosion (they should have aired it differently the first time or explained it differently if possible). I also was put off by the Clana drama. Lois' presence when they had nothing for her to do was very annoying (it would have been better had they continued the interaction between her & Lionel from Crusade). My biggest complaint was a lack of Clark using his powers and acting like a hero. He acted like a lovesick BDA. There was hardly any Clark-Lex either. I could have cared less about Lana's tattoo. The villian was a complete rip-off of the T-1000 from T2. A very boring episode for me. I thought Metamorphosis was much better than Gone and even Sneeze was somewhat better than it. Heat, Phoenix, Mortal, and Kara blew Gone away.


For Episode 3, I had to choose Wither. I totally hate this episode. Loathe it. I hate it even more than Ageless because it was supposed to be good with a Phantom Zone escapee. But it turned out to be a sh_tstain of an episode. All of a sudden anything can cut Clark and he is a complete wuss. The villian was like a super powered version of Poison Ivy. I hated Lexana and the costume party scene sucked as did the Lexana sex scene. This was a shipper's paradise and is an episode I just can't get myself to rewatch. Episodes like Hothead, Duplicity (one of my favorites), Extinction, and Hidden are light years past this abomination of an episode. Facade was even better than this one. Heck, even the horrible Fierce was better than Wither.

[Dr. Walden]

I'm surprised you're the first for Crusade xray. Like I said, it was very tough between Crusade and Vortex for me, and I just happened to pick Vortex, but I thought there would be many more for Crusade.

[vyperman7]

In all honesty, the reason I always avoided creating an "anti-episode wars" is because the concept always seemed a bit silly to me. The point of episode wars was to get people to collaborate to create the ultimate season of episodes you want to watch. It has a "best of the best" feel to it which makes it fun to play and hard to do because everyone has more than one episode they enjoy per number. But for this, all it is doing is grouping bad episodes together that people would want to skip anyways..LOL :D That is why it always made more sense to me just to discuss episodes that I thought were bad and tell why I felt that way.

But at the very least, it should prove interesting to see what episodes people don't like. I personally think that Vortex is extremely underrated and it is one of my favorite premieres.

[MBrittan]

Episode 1: Crusade
Episode 2: Gone
Episode 3: Wither


For Episode 1, I have to say Crusade. Now I know many people like this episode. But after dissecting it, the only things I liked are: 1) Kal-El flying and 2) The Kent family dynamic towards the end.

What I didn't like:

1. Absolutely no introduction/segway whatsoever to what Lex was doing in Egypt (it was a "what the hell" moment for me)

2. Bridgette Crosby appearing out of nowhere and presto, black kryptonite to the rescue (I like black-k, but not how it was just forced in like that without any buildup or development)

3. The beginning to one of the worst plots ever (the Lana witch possession)

4. Introduction of Lois at least a season before they should have brought her (her presence put a drag on the season and they really didn't do anything good with her until season 5)

5. The whole Paris thing (just was a waste of time)

6. The episode was rushed way too much (they should have learned from the pace they used in Exile & Phoenix, which was great).

When I watched Crusade live as it was on, it was the first time I felt like things weren't right with the show and that it lost a step compared to what it usually was. I thought it was a fluke until Gone aired. I loved Exile, Arrival, Vortex, Pilot, and even Zod was good. Bizarro was another pretty good premiere. So after stripping away the flight from Crusade, I don't see much else that was good with it. The stones plot could have been great, but there was zero buildup/development & the rest of the season ruined that plot.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I loved Crusade. I thought it was one of the best episodes of the series. It had a great pace. Things just kept moving. Some episodes just plod on and become almost boring.
-M-

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

Lois' presence when they had nothing for her to do was very annoying

She was there to try to bring Chloe's "killer" to justice.
-M-

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

The point of episode wars was to get people to collaborate to create the ultimate season of episodes you want to watch.

But everyone has different tastes. Just because a vote came out one way doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to consider those results "the ultimate" collection of Smallville episodes. My "best of the best" may be dramatically different from everyone else's (as it's proving to be - I've only voted for ONE episode so far that actually won).
-M-

[vyperman7]

But everyone has different tastes. Just because a vote came out one way doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to consider those results "the ultimate" collection of Smallville episodes. My "best of the best" may be dramatically different from everyone else's (as it's proving to be - I've only voted for ONE episode so far that actually won).
-M-

I am not saying that everyone doesn't have different tastes. I am just saying that it seems a bit silly to try and get together the 22 worst episodes. To me, episode wars has more of a point to it, because it is harder to come up with 22 overall episodes that people enjoy, since there are mulitple episodes per number that people enjoy. With bad episodes on the show, they are pretty much universally disliked, which makes it much easier to choose. That is all I was saying.

Will it be interesting to see what episodes people don't like? Sure.

[MBrittan]

I am not saying that everyone doesn't have different tastes. I am just saying that it seems a bit silly to try and get together the 22 worst episodes that people would want to skip watching anyways..LOL To me, episode wars has more of a point to it, because it is harder to come up with 22 overall episodes that people enjoy, then trying to come up with 22 episodes people don't like. It is much easier to choose between episodes you feel are poor then episodes you enjoy.

That is all I was saying. Will it be interesting to see what episodes people don't like? Sure. But usually, the bad episodes of the series, are pretty much thought of as bad universally, with the acception of a few people who love Spell, Magentic, etc..

No, that's not what I meant really. Actually I agree with you about the "bad list". It makes LESS sense than the "good" list but I just do it for fun. Actually I'm having a harder time coming up with bad episodes because I love Smallville and can usually find something redeeming in all episodes. I was referring to the "good" list. The All-Star group of episodes so to speak. I'm saying that even after such a list is completed, it may not really appeal to ANYONE because it may contain only a handful of episodes they actually voted for themselves. In other words, just because an episode wins a popularity contest doesn't mean I'm going to be MORE LIKELY to watch it over an episode that I personally enjoy.
-M-

[vyperman7]

No, that's not what I meant really. Actually I agree with you about the "bad list". It makes LESS sense than the "good" list but I just do it for fun. Actually I'm having a harder time coming up with bad episodes because I love Smallville and can usually find something redeeming in all episodes. I was referring to the "good" list. The All-Star group of episodes so to speak. I'm saying that even after such a list is completed, it may not really appeal to ANYONE because it may contain only a handful of episodes they actually voted for themselves. In other words, just because an episode wins a popularity contest doesn't mean I'm going to be MORE LIKELY to watch it over an episode that I personally enjoy.
-M-

For me, I can always find at least one redeeming thing in almost every episode. But in order for an episode to be good, it has to be well structured, well written, and offer something that advances either the season's overall plot, or a character's development if it is a filler episode. There are some episodes I consider to be terrible, but I can still watch for certain scenes. Often times, I wish that I could just watch highlight reels of certain episodes pointing out the good scenes letting me get past all the crap.

[MBrittan]

For me, I can always find at least one redeeming thing in almost every episode. But in order for an episode to be good, it has to be well structured, well written, and offer something that advances either the season's overall plot, or a character's development if it is a filler episode. There are some episodes I consider to be terrible, but I can still watch for certain scenes. Often times, I wish that I could just watch highlight reels of certain episodes pointing out the good scenes letting me get past all the crap.

Well said.
:)
-M-

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Episode 1 : Vortex i love this episode, but it is the least interesting of all the season premieres

Episode 2:Metamorphosis Bug boy Stalker of Lana, yuck

Episode 3:Fierce Clana come back , yuck!!!

[smallvillefreak24]

Episode 1 - Vortex

Episode 2 - Metamorphosis

Episode 3 - Fierce

I really like all smallville episodes because like others said there are good parts to all. A lot of the episode may bug me but a few scenes always make me want to come back. BTW i actually liked gone

[Dr. Walden]

I knew there would be less disunity in an anti-episode wars, and I think its obvious what episodes are disliked. However, like with episode wars, it was meant to encourage discussion and thought about the episodes we often consider to be "bad" because, like you said, they all have their redeeming qualities. And while episode wars focuses on the best of the best, I guess I just thought it would be interesting to focus a bit on those that are less popular, as they don't usually get discussed as often. Or people just say "its crap" and don't discuss the merits of the episode. Which has happened somewhat in this thread, but there has also been a great deal of insight as well.

[Dr. Walden]

Alright results of Round 1 are posted on the first page, and Round 2 starts today and runs through July 22 for those interested. The options are:

Episode 4:
S1-X-Ray
S2-Red
S3-Slumber
S4-Devoted
S5-Aqua
S6-Arrow
S7-Cure

Episode 5:
S1-Cool
S2-Nocturne
S3-Perry
S4-Red
S5-Thirst
S6-Reunion
S7-Action

Episode 6:
S1-Hourglass
S2-Redux
S3-Relic
S4-Transference
S5-Exposed
S6-Fallout
S7-Lara


My choices are...

Episode 4-Devoted
Episode 5-Thirst
Episode 6-Redux

Yuck.

Episode 4-I feel Devoted is actually victimized here. It had a ludicrous plot, but it was actually humorous, thanks to lovesick Chloe. However, I love all the other episodes, so there is really no other choice. Aqua wasn't fantastic, but JLA episodes are always somewhat good.

Episode 5-This slot actually has some mediocre episodes in Cool, Nocturne, and Reunion. I didn't like Action very much, though I know a lot of people do. It had some significance in the Clark/Lana relationship and Clark going forward with his destiny, but I knew that he wouldn't, so that episode just annoyed me (and I didn't like the main plot). Despite all this, Thirst was the first time I ever cringed while watching Smallville. I thought it was painfully cheesy. Some people like it for just this reason, I think, but maybe that just doesn't appeal to me. Also, I felt like the entire episode was made just so James Marsters could say "Vampires don't exist, Clark."

Episode 6-I didn't like Lara outside of the Lionel plot. I just didn't like the Lara/Zor-El arc, a large part of the reason I didn't like Season 7 much at all. Exposed was mediocre, but I enjoyed the shout outs to Dukes of Hazzard. Relic was one of the more boring episodes of Season 3, although I do like the last scene between Clark and Jonathan. Redux, however, is up there for worst episode in the series. Possibly the most pointless, most high school drama episode ever. Horrible FOTW, weird effects with her dying. I am really not a fan.

[Twitch]

Episode 4 - Cure

Even though Dean Cain guest starring was cool, I didn't enjoy this episode. I remember being kind of bored when watching it.

Episode 5 - Thirst

Lana as a vampire was hot. But other than that this episode was pretty damn bad.

Episode 6 - Redux

I'm not a big fan of this one either, what a stupid FOTW. Lara would have been my second choice.

[Québec]

Episode 4: Cure
- I went with an elimination process.

Episode 5: Thirst
- This episode was terrible.

Episode 6: Redux
- Pretty much for the same reasons mentioned by Dr. Walden

[Lex Dance]

Episode 4 - Devoted
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

Devoted - a good, fun episode but lost out due to preferring the others. Aqua ran it close because the actor playing Arthur is pretty lame. However I love evil Lex in his lab when he tortures Aquaman with the water - his "moustache-twiddling" performance reminds me of comic book versions of his character.

Thirst - I enjoyed the episode but wasn't too fussed about vampires on Smallville. It was all done in the name of good fun, but like Dr. Walden says - it exists for that line!

Redux - a bit like Gone, I can't remember much about this one. Therefore it loses!

[lana 9]

episode 4 aqua
episode 5 nocturne
episode 6 exposed

[zodiscoming12345]

Episode 4-Slumber
Episode 5-Thirst
Episode 6-Redux

[MrsK]

Episode 4 - Cure
Episode 5 - Thirst
Episode 6 - Redux

Cure - by process of elimination. I didn't hate it; I have liked all of the 4th episodes pretty well. Maybe Cure just didn't live up to my expectations for a Dean Cain appearance. Lex's face recognition software was just too easy, and the story just kind of dragged. I liked the parallels they drew between Curtis Knox and Clark - there just seemed to be a lot of wasted potential.

Thirst - Chloe's voice-over made this episode watchable, but Lana as a vampire was truly cringe-worthy. Some of the wire work was a little too obvious, too. Nocturne would have been my second choice.

Redux - I didn't like Chrissy much, and I wish they had explained where she got her power. It was aired out of sequence - originally supposed to be in S1, I guess, and there were a couple of scenes when Clark was trying to hide his secret from Pete, who by now already knows... it just didn't really work for me. On the plus side, the Clark/Principal Reynolds stuff was good, with Clark acknowledging journalism as a possible career, and the Lana/Henry Small arc got started in this one.

[MBrittan]

Episode 4: Cure - yes, I disklike Dean Cain that much. He makes a show unwatchable.
Episode 5: Thirst - The single worst episode in the series. That was just painful to watch.
Episode 6: Exposed - Just didn't like it. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy Lois (Erica Durance) as a sex symbol. Why so many people think she's hot is beyond me.
-M-

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Redux - I didn't like Chrissy much, and I wish they had explained where she got her power. It was aired out of sequence - originally supposed to be in S1, I guess, and there were a couple of scenes when Clark was trying to hide his secret from Pete, who by now already knows... it just didn't really work for me. On the plus side, the Clark/Principal Reynolds stuff was good, with Clark acknowledging journalism as a possible career, and the Lana/Henry Small arc got started in this one.

Principal Reynolds was a GREAT guest star. That's what saved that episode for me. I wish they'd used him more.
-M-

[lillie_poo_pod]

Episode 4-Aqua
Episode 5-Reunion
Episode 6-Relic

[MBrittan]

Episode 4-Slumber

Maybe it's just me, but I think the actress who played Sara Conroy (Katharina Isabelle) in Slumber is hot. Frankly, it surprises me that she doesn't even get MENTIONED in all of these "hottest girls in Smallville" threads. I don't know, there's something about her. She was in Freddy vs. Jason too (in a pretty "sultry" scene) ;) So with that in mind, I just couldn't bring myself to vote for this episode.
-M-

----- Added 51 Seconds later -----

Episode 4-Aqua
Episode 5-Reunion
Episode 6-Relic

These are three pretty good episodes!
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

Thirst - Chloe's voice-over made this episode watchable

Its funny. I don't like when shows do voiceovers consistently, but in Smallville, since it was a one time thing, it seemed much more personal and engaging (plus Chloe was typing on her bed...again with being closer to the characters than many episodes). Unfortunately, it doesn't make up for the plot in my mind.

[Twitch]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the actress who played Sara Conroy (Katharina Isabelle) in Slumber is hot. Frankly, it surprises me that she doesn't even get MENTIONED in all of these "hottest girls in Smallville" threads. I don't know, there's something about her. She was in Freddy vs. Jason too (in a pretty "sultry" scene) ;) So with that in mind, I just couldn't bring myself to vote for this episode.
-M-


Trust me it's not just you. ;) I find her extremely attractive too. You're right she's just got that something about her.

[lillie_poo_pod]

These are three pretty good episodes!
-M-
Not to me.

[MBrittan]

Not to me.

For a moment, I thought I was on the "best" episode Wars thread...
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

I think your choices are perfectly defensible.

[Lex Dance]

Episode 5-Reunion
:eek:
Each to their own of course! :)
Care to elaborate?

[Mar-El]

Trust me it's not just you. ;) I find her extremely attractive too. You're right she's just got that something about her.

Ditto. I loved her in Supernatural, too.

[MBrittan]

Ditto. I loved her in Supernatural, too.

I thought she looked her best in Freddy vs. Jason. The baseball hat and pig tails totally works for her.
-M-

[Mar-El]

I've yet to see it, but now that I'm aware, I think I'll have to check it out :D

[Atomic girl]

Can you give us a time on the last day you'll be tabulating votes? It's still the 19th here and I understood the voting to go to the 19th not the 18th.....

Episode 4:
Season 3 - Slumber

Episode 5:
Season 1 - Cool

Episode 6:
Season 2 - Redux

Wow, it was a hard choice for episodes 5 and 6, a few too many choices...I never realized what a bad slot that must be.....

[BadToad]

Episode 4:

S5-Aqua

They could've come up with something better for an episode to introduce a fellow future JLA-er. Lex and his evil fish-killing machine? :lol:

Episode 5:

S7-Action

Nocturne was a close second. I just didn't much find the mocking of the crazy fans all that amusing.

Episode 6:

S2-Redux

Just a dull episode.

[borednow]

Episode 4:
S5-Aqua : This one probably got picked because of the great gaps in episodes I've seen... but Aquaman always sucks...

Episode 5:
S7-Action : Could have been so brilliant, sounded like a great idea... so what happened?

Episode 6:
S7-Lara : I hated everything that had anything to do with the Lara/Jor-El/Zor-El thing...

[skully]

Episode 4 - Cure - a bit disappointing given Dean Cain guest starred.

Episode 5 - Nocturne - an episode I tend to use fast-forward in.

Episode 6 - Redux - pretty lame and an unexplained FotW.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

Trust me it's not just you. ;) I find her extremely attractive too. You're right she's just got that something about her.I'll "third" the vote on Katharina Isabelle, boys. But I saw her in last season's closing episodes of Supernatural and she's not quite the attractive young thing these days that she was in Slumber (apologies if that sounds a bit harsh - just an observation). Maybe they deliberately portayed her that way.

[xrayvision]

Episode 4: Devoted
Episode 5: Nocturne
Episode 6: Exposed

I find it hard to complain about any of the 4th episodes. The one I liked least though was Devoted since it was a filler that did have its fun moments, but this was in a season where the main plot had yet to get started. In some parts, it was too silly. This is the result of them wanting to bring in Lois at such an early time. They wanted to pair her and Clark together and it resulted in a filler (one of many in season 4) where Clark couldn't use his powers anything to the level he used to in previous seasons. My next choice would have been Aqua because once again an outsider who had zero experience actually saving lives like Clark came in using terrorist tactics and told Clark off. I do not enjoy when Clark is portrayed like a BDA and other heroes come on his turf and are made to look superior to the person who's supposed to be DC's greatest hero. I have no problems with the other episodes in this slot. Red was superb in every way as was X-Ray (I loved the development of the x-ray vision and the Lex-Nixon plot that started). Slumber was an episode that I used to dislike but now I like quite a bit (some nice Clark-Lex moments in the dream & real life in that episode). Arrow was a good episode with the Green Arrow & Lois where Clark actually wasn't really made to look bad. Cure was awesome with Curtis Knox as a Vandal Savage type.

I thought the weakest Episode 5 was Nocturne. I just didn't care too much about the plot of the episode with Lana & Byron and her complaints about Clark because he didn't like poetry (gimme a break). Wow, Clark had balls back then. It was the first filler type episode of season 2 (4 really good episodes before it so I won't complain). I did however like the helicopter scene in that episode (was my favorite helicopter scene in the series). I didn't care too much about Action either as it was a stab at the fans who have been very loyal to the series and have continued to watch even though bad writing had taken control of the series in the past 3-4 seasons. Reunion was interesting in some ways but wasn't spectacular. It wasn't a bad episode, but could have been better (minus Lexana). I thought Lex's outburst in that episode was uncalled for. I knew in Redux Principal Reynolds mentioned about something that would have gotten him expelled had Lionel not intervened, but I was hoping it would have more to do with taking after Lionel than an anger outburst (which isn't Lionel's style). I really liked Cool though (with Sean Kelvin) as well as Run. Thirst was ridiculous with Vampire Lana, but there were moments with Clark, Chloe, Brainiac, and Lex I enjoyed. I really liked the Superman reflection in the Daily Planet's globe at the end that I caught on my first viewing of the episode (something that made me think this episode was told by Chloe in the future). Some of the Halloween elements were also cool (like Clark saying he likes the cape but not the mask). But my favorite was Perry. That episode had Clark at his most heroic moment (diving into the gorge to save Perry White without powers & not knowing when they would return).

For Episode 6 I chose Exposed mainly because I had much higher expectations of the episode. Some of the things I looked down on were Lois' strip dance (yeah she looked good, but I don't watch Smallville for T&A), the underutilization of Tom Wopat, and some of the plot elements regarding the villian (like how Chloe would be able to get him arrested when nobody else could). I also didn't like the "underage" comment that Maggie Sawyer kept saying (they were all past 18 years old; heck as far as I know you can go to an X-rated show starting at 17 years old in the U.S.). I also thought Redux wasn't strong. I liked the Principal Reynolds plot & the Clark's grandfather plot from the episode but the Chrissy plot was weak (they never explained what she was; obviously not a freak). Relic was a pretty good episode with Jor-El and some explanations of what he did (I wish they would have avoided a Jor-El-Louise love affair though). It would have also been better if they chose another actor who would be consistently available to play the part of Jor-El (someone young who they could have made to look older for an older Jor-El when needed). Had they done something like that, they could have had him star in one of those side projects called the Jor-El Chronicles. Hourglass was a great episode too with Clark first being shown to fear being alone and outliving everyone. Cassandra's visions were awesome, especially the one she had of Lex. I wish they could have maybe had her release some details about a cape or something Superman related after saying that she saw Clark in the future of others she encountered in the past, saving them. That line by Cassandra was a very powerful one. Lara was also a very good episode with more being revealed about Zor-El's & Lara's time on Earth as well as Kara's past and the events that took place on Krypton's last day. The one problem was how Krypton's destruction was being hinted as the result of war in this episode (something that started in Kara and even mentioned in season 5). This contradicted the original explanation referred to in Skinwalker when Kara pointed out how a star in the wolf constellation they were looking at was missing---the star being the one in Krypton's solar system (Rao, or W5 as referred to in Rosetta in Swann's satellite images). But the rest of the episode was great with Agent Carter strapping Kara down and finding out her secret (and Clark's) until Lionel came to help them out. Fallout was a great episode too. I only wish they would have had a better villian. Baern was weak--he shouldn't have been a radiation-sucking phantom; something like that would destroy Lamar's (BowWow's character's) body. This was very inconsistent to Jonathan and how having those powers messed up his health when Lamar had an alien phantom possessing him & sucking all kinds of radiation that is lethal to a human body. I also did not like the premature demise of Raya. I thought they wasted so much time with Clark in season 6 that they should have replaced that wasted time with time spent having Clark talk & have adventures with Raya. The best episode 6 by far was Transference. I have no complaints whatsoever about that episode.

[Jaderoyale]

Episode 4 - Devoted

Episode 5 - Thirst

Episode 6 - Redux

[Tacitus]

Episode 4-Aqua
Episode 5-Nocturne
Episode 6-Redux

[smallvillefreak24]

Episode 4 - Cure

Episode 5 - Nocturne

Episode 6 - Redux

[Dr. Walden]

Can you give us a time on the last day you'll be tabulating votes? It's still the 19th here and I understood the voting to go to the 19th not the 18th.....

Sorry. To clarify, I will be ending each round at about 3 PM EST on the day stated. Voting will not go through the entire day.

[MBrittan]

Episode 4 - Cure - a bit disappointing given Dean Cain guest starred.

Episode 5 - Nocturne - an episode I tend to use fast-forward in.

Episode 6 - Redux - pretty lame and an unexplained FotW.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

I'll "third" the vote on Katharina Isabelle, boys. But I saw her in last season's closing episodes of Supernatural and she's not quite the attractive young thing these days that she was in Slumber (apologies if that sounds a bit harsh - just an observation). Maybe they deliberately portayed her that way.

Skully, I agree. She was a bit thinner back in her Slumber/Freddy vs. Jason days.
-M-

[quietone]

Episode 4 - Slumber
Episode 5 - Nocturne
Episode 6 - Redux

[Reeve_290]

The problem with "bad" Smallville episodes is they all seem to have one redeeming factor in them, do you know what I mean?

Like, Slumber: awful episode, but it had the skinny-dipping scene at the beginning and the cute ending scene where Clark forgot it was a dream. Those two scenes are so good they save the episode IMO.

Aqua and Thirst: poor episodes due to bad story telling and a bad idea respectively. But Brainiac's scenes in both are just awesome.

Wither: Bad, bad, bad episode. Possibly the worst FOW ever and easily the lamest Phantom Zoner. But the scene in the greenhouse where Lex bans Clark from his mansion is very strong.

Heaps more examples like this, but you get where I'm coming from. Even the worst Smallville episodes have good bits worth watching!

[Dr. Walden]

So wait, are you voting for anything or not Reeve 290?

I am surprised people think so poorly of Slumber. I found that one to be one of the most fun episodes, without being forced like early Season 4, and Lex confronting Clark in his dream was a fantastic scene.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 4 ~ Cure
Episode 5 ~ Cool
Episode 6 ~ Exposed

Actually, Slumber and Relic are two of my Favorite episodes. there are a lot of varying opinions here:)

[Reeve_290]

Episode 4: I'll have to say Aqua. Fine is awesome, but AC is just too cheesy.
Episode 5: Nocturne. I was an intense Clana support back then and the "werewolf" sending her love poems didn't sit well with me.
Episode 6: I'm gonna have to go with Exposed. None of No.6 episodes were "bad", but there was nothing that made me go wow - no, not even Lois' striptease as I'm not an ED fan!

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Episode 4: Slumber- by process of elimination , this was the one i like the least, all though i few things might make me dislike it

Episode 5: Nocturne: Process of Elimination, same as above

Episode 6:Redux: the process again , although i nearly put Exposed too

[Dr. Walden]

bump

[skizzo]

Aqua
Perry
Exposed

[Xanderman]

4. Cure (S7)

Definitely Cure, the rest are all good-to-great eps. Cure, not so much.

5. Thirst (S5)

The 5th spot isn't one of Smallville's most flattering overall, several not-so-great eps in this group. But S5's Thirst had to be the worst.

6. Redux (S2)

I didn't think S3's Relic was all that great either (over-rated imo), but Redux gets the slight edge for weakest 6th from me. S5's Exposed was another contender for this dubious honor. heh


Episode 5:
S1-Cool
S2-Nocturne
S3-Perry
S4-Red
S5-Thirst
S6-Reunion
S7-Action
You have Red where Run should be here...




Losing Season
Episode 1-Vortex (18/21 votes)
Episode 2-Metamorphosis (Beat Gone 10-8)
Episode 3-Fierce (Beat Wither 10-9)Wow I can't believe Vortex and Metamorphosis got so bloodied and beat up here, lol those were both great eps to me. Same planet different worlds as they say I suppose....lol

The weakest season premiere for me was S5's Arrival (a mediocre premiere--not bad but not that great either).

For Ep 2 I'd have voted neither Metamorphosis nor Gone as worst, my pick would be S6's Sneeze. I personally thought all the 2nd eps of the series were good though, but Sneeze ranks as the "least good", heh.

But I do agree that Wither and Fierce definitely rank among the weakest 3rd eps.

I personally think that Vortex is extremely underrated and it is one of my favorite premieres.I call ditto on that. lol

[Dr. Walden]

Oops I totally lost track and let this run an extra day. Sorry folks.

Round 3-Voting ends July 26th at 3 PM EST

The options are:

Episode 7:
S1-Craving
S2-Lineage
S3-Magnetic
S4-Jinx
S5-Splinter
S6-Rage
S7-Wrath

Episode 8:
S1-Jitters
S2-Ryan
S3-Shattered
S4-Spell
S5-Solitude
S6-Static
S7-Blue

Episode 9:
S1-Rogue
S2-Dichotic
S3-Asylum
S4-Bound
S5-Lexmas
S6-Subterranean
S7-Gemini

My choices are...

Episode 7-Wrath
Episode 8-Blue
Episode 9-Subterranean

I have a feeling Wrath won't be a popular choice in this spot. However, I didn't like it. Clexana is so annoying, and they really resolved it okay in Season 6. They didn't need to bring back that crap. The power was reused, the Clark/Lana fight was disappointing. I didn't have high expectations going in, and I was still disappointed. I came close to choosing Magnetic, because of the pointless FOTW, but in that episode was the lead up to Shattered/Asylum, and back then Clana drama wasn't quite so annoying. I feel Craving is somewhat underrated. I have expressed my thoughts on this already.

Spell and Static were both poor episodes. Spell felt really cheesy, but after watching the commentary, I have a new found appreciation for it. Parts of it are actually really funny to me now. Static was really really bad. However, my dislike of Season 7 is too strong. I really didn't like the Zor-El/Lara arc. I thought it was ridiculous and boring at the same time, and this just carried it out to completion. The introduction of blue kryptonite bothered me, just because at this point it seems like a stale plot device (introducing new types of kryptonite).

Episode 9-This was pretty much a contest between Bound and Subterranean for me. All the other episodes are solid. Both were fairly uninteresting, but I guess I found Subterranean to be worse, for reasons I can't explain.

[BadToad]

Episode 7:

S3-Magnetic

Ugh, I HATE this episode!

Episode 8:

S6-Static

Boring, and about 5 minutes of Clark in the whole thing.

Episode 9:

S4-Bound

SV has a lot of issues when it comes to the subject of sex.

[MrsK]

Episode 7-Magnetic
Episode 8-Blue
Episode 9-Subterranean

Episode 7: Magnetic is probably my least favorite Smallville episode ever. There was so much about it that was just bad, bad, bad, and very little to like. I couldn't stand Seth or the way Lana responded to his influence - pulling a gun on Clark?! I did like Clark using his heat vision to melt the road - very creative. Wrath wasn't one of my favorite episodes last season, but it was miles ahead of Magnetic, and it did advance the season's plot with the reintroduction of Brainiac. I didn't like super-powered Lana, though. I have a feeling Craving may be a popular choice, but fat-sucking vampire plot aside, it really wasn't that bad. Love the scene at the end with the drive-in! The other 7th episodes were quite good.

Episode 8: This one came down to Blue and Static for me. I didn't like the lack of Clark in Static or his complete failure to use either his powers or his common sense in tracking the Zoner, and having to be saved by MM (although it was cool introduction of that character). The 33.1 escapee plot was okay, but I didn't like the Lexana drama. Ugh. However, Blue was worse, in my opinion. (I realize that this may be an unpopular opinion, but Blue was probably my least favorite ep of S7). Clark has never been such a BDA. There was so much mythos potential that just fell short, and there were a few scenes that just didn't make sense - like Clark pointing out all Lana went through for Lara...Huh? Anyway...

Episode 9 Subterranean, hands down. I did like Clark being supermannish and protecting Javier, but there wasn't much else to like. SV should stay away from politics. Bound would have been my second choice.

[krewsaider]

Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Bound

[skizzo]

Jinx
Solitude
Bound

[Tacitus]

Episode 7 - Magnetic
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Subterranean

[MBrittan]

Episode 7: Craving. Terrible episode. A fat-sucking meteor freak? Give me a break.
Episode 8: Static - Didn't care for Lexana
Episode 9: Rogue - Ever notice how you never see Phalen and Nixon in the same room at the same time? lol Total lack of imagination with some of those season one eps.
-M-

[xrayvision]

Episode 7: Wrath
Episode 8: Static
Episode 9: Subterranean

For Episode 7 it was no contest for me. Wrath was a complete disgrace of an episode and an insult. The majority of fans are sick of Clana and they decided to give Lana Clark's powers while having Clark keep them himself so they could have a sex scene with them and show Lana how messed up she is (something we all knew for a long time). The biggest disgrace was how she complained about Clark doing nothing with his powers when its Clark's fixation with her that TPTB are holding Clark back from being anything like he was in seasons 1-3. Lana once again was the cause of Brainiac's release. This episode also showed Clark as uncaring for Lana's well-being when he decided to have sex with her rather than taking all his powers back since he knew what they did to Jonathan. That tremor scene was one of the dumbest scenes in the series. This entire episode was a waste of Lex's utilization given the fact that MR was leaving after the season. They should have trashed this episode and replaced it with one that actually furthered the plot and utilized Lex. I don't like Magnetic either, but Magnetic is a Picasso compared to this crapstain of an episode. Craving wasn't the best, but it introduced Dr. Hamilton to the show and was the one where Lex discovered Chloe's Torch freak articles. Lineage was a great episode and was a continuation of the Pilot flashback and explained Jonathan's hatred of the Luthors (especially Lionel). Jinx was a good episode with Mxylptlk and with a great plot that showed Clark as a hero. Splinter was the best in the #7 slot. Rage was also pretty good (could have been better though).

Episode 8 was a tough one. There were 3 episodes I thought were way below par: Spell, Static, and Blue. Spell was horrible due to the ridiculous witch plot which focused 90% on the witches and 10% on the stones. Blue was horrible because Clark made the dumbest mistake he could have ever made. Had Kara been the one to release Zor-El not knowing what he was all about (which she learned in Lara), this would have been one of the best in the #8 slot. But it sucked. I thought Static was the worst though. It could have been so good had they focused half the episode to actually develop 33.1 (not using the myth of 33.1 to develop Lexana) and the other half on Clark finding & beating Aldar all by himself. Better yet, the best would have been to do this, but split this plot between this episode and the next (while completely renaming Static & Subterranean). Jitters kicked butt and was very suspenseful. Ryan had great acting and had a great plot & introduced Dr. Garner and Summerholt. Shattered was by far the best in the #8 spot without any questions in my mind. Solitude was good (except for Chloe being able to follow Brainiac at his speed and making saving the idiotic BDA in the FOS) and very exciting to watch.

For Episode 9, I thought most of them were good, but Subterranean was subpar by almost all standards. The episode had only one good scene, being the one at the end where the 33.1 freaks were reachng out for Lex as he passed by. Other than that the episode was crap. Clark comparing himself to Javier was just stupid. I really didn't care about seeing Jimmy & Chloe babysit Javier either. Rogue was a very good episode with Phelan the crooked cop finding out about Clark. Dichotic was the introduction of Ian and had Clark the BSA (& I don't meam bulls--t artist) who wasn't fooled by Lana's antics (I miss the BSA). Asylum was great & IMO the best episode #9. Subterranean should have been replaced with an episode that was a continuation of the events from Static (see details above in my Episode #8 summary). The example of Asylum shows how smart the approach was in season 3. Bound was not that good of an episode thanks to the main plot. They should have used some other method to show Lex as having evil within him--like the freakin' stones!! Showing what Lex was willing to do for the stones would have been the best way to do this and actually have an episode that relates to the main plot of the season. Lexmas was another great episode 9 that nicely related a Christmas theme to an episode that had resounding effects in Lex's life. Gemini was a pretty good episode, mainly due to the events involving Lex, Lois, Grant, and Adrian. I really didn't care about Bizarro working with Lana (gimme a break, Lana being able to put all that together). I did like Bizarro's deception though and the nice reveal at the end (which I was expecting). But the Grant-Lex-Lois-Adrian plot kicked ass. This should have been a major plot of the season with Grant's death having huge effects on Lionel & Lex.

The worst of the worst from this round of Anti-Episode Wars for me was Wrath. I have no appreciation or respect for that episode.

[Dr. Walden]

For Episode 7 it was no contest for me. Wrath was a complete disgrace of an episode and an insult. The majority of fans are sick of Clana and they decided to give Lana Clark's powers while having Clark keep them himself so they could have a sex scene with them and show Lana how messed up she is (something we all knew for a long time). The biggest disgrace was how she complained about Clark doing nothing with his powers when its Clark's fixation with her that TPTB are holding Clark back from being anything like he was in seasons 1-3. Lana once again was the cause of Brainiac's release. This episode also showed Clark as uncaring for Lana's well-being when he decided to have sex with her rather than taking all his powers back since he knew what they did to Jonathan. That tremor scene was one of the dumbest scenes in the series. This entire episode was a waste of Lex's utilization given the fact that MR was leaving after the season. They should have trashed this episode and replaced it with one that actually furthered the plot and utilized Lex. I don't like Magnetic either, but Magnetic is a Picasso compared to this crapstain of an episode.

You pretty much summed up my thoughts on Wrath right there...although I still really don't like Magnetic.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 7 ~ Magnetic
Episode 8 ~ Static
Episode 9 ~ Subterranean

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Episode 7-Magnetic-This was a close one between Craving, but this is really the worst

Episode 8-Static-here's a note to the writers, THE MAIN CHARACTER IS NOT THE B- PLOT!!

Episode 9-Gemini -I didn't completely hate this episode,but out of the others, this was the worst to me

[xrayvision]

You pretty much summed up my thoughts on Wrath right there...although I still really don't like Magnetic.

Magnetic would have been my choice had Wrath been a good episode.

[Johnny_Luck]

Craving
Blue
Bound

are my choices



I think it really sucks that at least Seth had cool powers, Clark used his brains and KK had some really great acting scenes in Magnetic, that it gets hated so much by people that they vote this worse than Craving, which didn't even have one redeeming factor about it at all.

Not to mention how much Worse Jinx was, how plot whole filled it was, how horrible the acting and character portrayala was, etc.

Wrath was definately IMHO season 7's best, but then theres definately a lot of people that would rather focus on the relationship rather than what it accomplished, how funny it was, and what it really did for them as a couple.

Static is extremely underrated for how fun it was. People were pissed that Clark was in it barely and that his fight against Batista was short, but not only did it introduce MM, but Lana and Lex had some great chemistry together for the first time and the FOTW IMHO was really really cool.

Honestly the only bad episode on that list was blue, every other one was either extremely good or solid at worst.

Bound on the other hand is among the bottom 5 episodes of smallville with Velocity, Lucy, Truth, and Delete

[vyperman7]

Episode 7: Craving. Terrible episode. A fat-sucking meteor freak? Give me a break.
Episode 8: Static - Didn't care for Lexana
Episode 9: Rogue - Ever notice how you never see Phalen and Nixon in the same room at the same time? lol Total lack of imagination with some of those season one eps.
-M-

Wow.. You think that Rogue is worse than Subterranean? I knew that Rogue wasn't your favorite episode, but I would have thought that you would have at least chosen Subterrannean as the worst #9. I am suprised to see that you disliked Rogue that much. It has great Superman references/forshadowing, great dialogue, awesome FX, awesome villain, and a very cool cliffhanger ending.

I definately agree with you on Craving though. That episode is god awful. Although for me it would be a toss up between Craving and Magnetic for worst #7. I don't know which one I liked less. :D



Wow I can't believe Vortex and Metamorphosis got so bloodied and beat up here, lol those were both great eps to me. Same planet different worlds as they say I suppose....lol

The weakest season premiere for me was S5's Arrival (a mediocre premiere--not bad but not that great either).




Yeah Vortex definately deserves more love in my opinion. I have always loved that episode. It is actually one of my favorite premieres. I gotta disagree with you on Arrival though. For me, it was a great episode bro. The only bad part for me was the terrible fight at the end, where it takes all of 10 seconds for Clark to shove them into the wormhole. Smallville's weak point aside from the writing staff, has always been its fights. Metamorphosis was an episode I used to dislike, and then it steadily grew on me over the years. Now I really enjoy it. If anything just for the flight dream/crash landing and the conversation with Johnathan about it. Plus I love Bug Boy's comment "Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug".. :lol:

Episode 7: Wrath
Episode 8: Static
Episode 9: Subterranean

For Episode 7 it was no contest for me. Wrath was a complete disgrace of an episode and an insult. The majority of fans are sick of Clana and they decided to give Lana Clark's powers while having Clark keep them himself so they could have a sex scene with them and show Lana how messed up she is (something we all knew for a long time). The biggest disgrace was how she complained about Clark doing nothing with his powers when its Clark's fixation with her that TPTB are holding Clark back from being anything like he was in seasons 1-3. Lana once again was the cause of Brainiac's release. This episode also showed Clark as uncaring for Lana's well-being when he decided to have sex with her rather than taking all his powers back since he knew what they did to Jonathan. That tremor scene was one of the dumbest scenes in the series. This entire episode was a waste of Lex's utilization given the fact that MR was leaving after the season. They should have trashed this episode and replaced it with one that actually furthered the plot and utilized Lex. I don't like Magnetic either, but Magnetic is a Picasso compared to this crapstain of an episode. Craving wasn't the best, but it introduced Dr. Hamilton to the show and was the one where Lex discovered Chloe's Torch freak articles. Lineage was a great episode and was a continuation of the Pilot flashback and explained Jonathan's hatred of the Luthors (especially Lionel). Jinx was a good episode with Mxylptlk and with a great plot that showed Clark as a hero. Splinter was the best in the #7 slot. Rage was also pretty good (could have been better though).


I agree that Wrath is not a masterpiece but to say that it is worse than both Magnetic and Craving is taking it a bit far for me. Those episodes were far worse for me. The thing that bugged me about Wrath was the fact that it was trying to be like Transference and it failed miserably.

[Twitch]

Episode 7 - Wrath
Episode 8 - Blue
Episode 9 - Subterranean

[smallvillefreak24]

Episode 7 - Magnetic

Episode 8 - Static

Episode 9 - Bound

[Québec]

Episode 7: Magnetic

Episode 8: Blue

Episode 9: Subterranean

[Atomic girl]

Episode 7:
Season 1 - Craving

Episode 8:
Season 6 - Static

Episode 9:
Season 6 - Subterranean

Do I really need to spell out the reasons?

[Twitch]

Do I really need to spell out the reasons?

Unfortunately no... no you don't. :lol:

[lillie_poo_pod]

Episode 7- Magnetic
Episode 8- Static
Episode 9- Bound

[skully]

Episode 7 - Magnetic - Another epsiode I tend to FF through.

Episode 8 - Blue - Just such a disappointing episode. Possibly some of the most wooden acting in the show's history. Even TW looked disinterested.

Episode 9 - Bound - Process of elimination, really. And sort of outa place in S4.

[quietone]

Episode 7 - Magnetic
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Bound

[minerva73]

Episode 7: Craving
Episode 8: Blue
Episode 9: Dichotic

[lana 9]

episode 7 magnetc
episode 8 static
episode 9 bound

[Dr. Walden]

bump for any final votes in this round

[Hopefulsuicide]

magnetic
blue
subterranean

[smallvillefreak24]

what does bump mean

[MBrittan]

what does bump mean

It just pushes the thread back up to the top of the list (in case it had fallen to the second page) - out of sight out of mind, right?
-M-

[Xanderman]

7. Craving (S1)

Mediocre at best. (Magnetic is a much better ep to me, I'm surprised to see so many votes for it.)

8. Static (S6)

An ok episode but the weakest in the group. And once again I'm surprised at some votes I'm seeing, not sure how S7's Blue can make anybody's worst list, lol.... I loved that ep (gave it a 10 after it aired). But to each his own.

9. Lexmas (S5)

Well looks like I'm going "lone wolf" on this one... :lol: Honestly I don't see what anyone finds that appealing about this ep, I mean forget the nines, Lexmas is one of the all-time worst eps of Smallville, period (IMO). Such an over-rated episode to me.

[Jaderoyale]

Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Blue
Episode 9 - Subterranean

[Vergon6]

Episode 7 - Craving
Episode 8 - Static
Episode 9 - Subterranean

I was tempted to put "Dichotic" because I don't really care for Jonathan Taylor Thomas as an actor and the episode wasn't that great, but than I remembered how bad "Subterranean" was lol

[Dr. Walden]

Results of Round 3 are posted on the first page.

Alright Round 4 will end approximately July 29th at 5 PM EST

The options are...

Episode 10-
S1-Shimmer
S2-Skinwalker
S3-Whisper
S4-Scare
S5-Fanatic
S6-Hydro
S7-Persona

Episode 11:
S1-Hug
S2-Visage
S3-Delete
S4-Unsafe
S5-Lockdown
S6-Justice
S7-Siren

Episode 12:
S1-Leech
S2-Insurgence
S3-Hereafter
S4-Pariah
S5-Reckoning
S6-Labyrinth
S7-Fracture


My choices are...

Episode 10-Fanatic
Episode 11-Unsafe
Episode 12-Fracture

For Episode 10, it was no contest. A bunch of good, but not great, episodes, up against Fanatic, which was just totally creepy. Lex having a stalker was basically already used in Bound, and it served little purpose here.

Episode 11 was between Siren and Unsafe. I didn't like Siren, and found it to be the worst of the JL introduction episodes, including Aqua. Perhaps at this point I'm just tired of them. But Unsafe was just such a bad episode for me. I didn't like the reintroduction of Alicia, and the episode was absolutely nothing but relationship drama. Also, Clark is an idiot throughout, especially at the end.

Episode 12 is another no contest. A very strong group of episodes, in my opinion, except for Fracture. The Lex/Alexander dichotomy had been done to death, and at times this episode bordered on cheesy when Lex was being insane. I don't think it was MR's fault, I just think it would have been impossible to act this episode well.

[MrsK]

Episode 10-Fanatic
Episode 11-Siren
Episode 12-Pariah

By process of elimination in each case. I didn't think any of these were terrible.

[Québec]

Episode 10: Fanatic

Episode 11: Lockdown

Episode 12: Pariah

Process of elimination for all of them.

[Vergon6]

Episode 10-Shimmer
Episode 11-Hug
Episode 12-Leech

I changed my vote, because "Shimmer" really is worse than "Fanatic" when I think about it.

[lana 9]

episode 10 fanatic
episode 11 unsafe
episode 12 fracture

[skully]

Episode 10 - Shimmer - toss up between Shimmer and Fanatic. In the end Clark's supersave of JK just saved the latter.

Episode 11 - Visage - hard to pick one as they are all pretty good epis. By a process of elimination I was left with Visage, even though I liked it a lot.

Episode 12 - Hereafter - same as above, an excellent group of epis, but I liked Hereafter least of them.

[BadToad]

Episode 10- S5-Fanatic

Episode 11: S5-Lockdown


Episode 12: S5-Reckoning

[minerva73]

Episode 10: Shimmer
Episode 11: Lockdown
Episode 12: Leech

I had to do this by process of elimination like other people did.

[Xanderman]

10. Shimmer (S1)

None of the tens were bad eps, but Shimmer ranks among the weakest in the group for me. I could have just as easily picked S3's Whisper. S7's Persona wasn't all that special to me either.

11. Lockdown (S5)

This was a tough one, in that I think all the 11s are good-to-great eps. An unusual 3-way tie for weakest (but again still good eps imo) occurs for me here, between S2's Visage, S3's Delete and S5's Lockdown. But since I see several other Lockdowns I'm going to go ahead and give those voters the benefit of the doubt and agree with them to break my tie.

12. Pariah (S4)

It's a toss up between this and S3's Hereafter for me for weakest. I went with Pariah because of the lost potential it represented--it was a disappointing follow-up to the superior Unsafe (which I thought was great). Alicia deserved better....lol

[quietone]

Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Reckoning

[Dr. Walden]

Wow I must be the only one who thought that Lockdown was a very solid episode...

[Vergon6]

Wow I must be the only one who thought that Lockdown was a very solid episode...
I liked "Lockdown" as well.

[Twitch]

Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Reckoning

[Québec]

Episode 12-Leech

That's interesting, I haven't come across many people who didn't like this episode.

Wow I must be the only one who thought that Lockdown was a very solid episode...

Well, I chose Lockdown in a process of elimination. It all came down to the fact that I was never very fond of Lexana.

[Vergon6]

That's interesting, I haven't come across many people who didn't like this episode.

Well I just found that I liked the other episodes better. "Leech" is at a disadvantage because it's in the first season, and they were still trying to find their feet as a series. It's a decent episode, far better than say "Metamorphosis" or "Craving".

[Twitch]

Well, I chose Lockdown in a process of elimination. It all came down to the fact that I was never very fond of Lexana.


Pretty much the same reason I chose Lockdown. Seems like everyone is using the process of elimination method in this round, heh.

[Dr. Walden]

I didn't like Lexana much either as a romantic relationship, but I did enjoy most of their relationship before that. It was the understated relationship of the Big 3, given the central relationships of Clark/Lana and Clark/Lex. In Lockdown I guess it really showed how much they cared for each other, regardless of romantic notions. Also, a nice save by Clark and a fairly big death. Clana fighting was always annoying, but in this episode it was actually interesting, given the true deceit of Lana and Clark's struggle with talking about the spaceship.

[skully]

Wow I must be the only one who thought that Lockdown was a very solid episode...You are not alone Dr. W. I rated Lockdown better than the "worst".

[Tacitus]

Episode 10 - Fanatic

Episode 11 - Visage

Episode 12 - Fracture

[skizzo]

Fanatic
Unsafe
Fracture

[Jaderoyale]

Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Lockdown
Episode 12 - Leech

This really was process elimination.

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

Episode 10 - Scare (S4)
Episode 11 - Lockdown (S5)
Episode 12 - Insurgence (S2)

[smallvillefreak24]

Episode 10 - Fanatic

Episode 11 - Lockdown

Episode 12 - Pariah

[MBrittan]

Episode 10: Hydro - I really can't stand Tori Spelling.
Episode 11: Hug - I don't see why this episode is so popular among Smallville fans. Frankly, it bored me to sleep. Bob Rickman and Kyle Tippett are two of the least interesting guest stars Smallville has ever had.
Episode 12: Fracture - Not a bad episode at all. But this is a strong group of episodes. Not really an obvious choice here. This was a "process of elimination" vote.

[lana 9]

Wow I must be the only one who thought that Lockdown was a very solid episode...

i too thought that lockdown was a good episode

[Dr. Walden]

Episode 10 - Scare (S4)
Episode 11 - Lockdown (S5)
Episode 12 - Insurgence (S2)

Whoa. Care to elaborate, on especially Scare and Insurgence? Those two get quite a few votes in the original Episode Wars...

[Québec]

Yeah, I thought Scare and Insurgeance were very solid episodes too.

[Xanderman]

Forget solid, I voted Scare BEST #10.:lol: And Fracture best #12, Hug one of the best #11's, and Leech one of the best #12's. But none of that is not stopping anyone from tearing them a new hole in this contest, lol (and I don't expect it to). Just goes to show, we all live on the same planet, just in different dimensions. (just like in Sliders....remember Sliders...lol)

[Atomic girl]

Episode 10:
Season 5 - Fanatic - not my favorite eppy

Episode 11:
Season 4 - Unsafe - by process of elimination, the eppy was good, but could have been better

Episode 12:
Season 3 - Hereafter - also process of elimination

[Dr. Walden]

Forget solid, I voted Scare BEST #10.:lol: And Fracture best #12, Hug one of the best #11's, and Leech one of the best #12's. But none of that is not stopping anyone from tearing them a new hole in this contest, lol (and I don't expect it to). Just goes to show, we all live on the same planet, just in different dimensions. (just like in Sliders....remember Sliders...lol)

Yeah actually this round is quite interesting. In the Episode 11 slot, 5/7 episodes have gotten votes, and in the Episode 12 slot, 6/7 episodes have gotten votes,

[Lex Dance]

Episode 10 - Shimmer
Episode 11 - Hug
Episode 12 - Hereafter

I'm starting to feel sorry for those S1 episodes - I'm voting for them purely because I cannot really remember what happens in them! Chances are that if I watched them I'd prefer them to Fanatic or Visage. But sadly I don't have the time......
I like all of the episodes in the No.12 slot and I feel traitorous for voting for Hereafter - I especially liked the running club opening (there's something quite cinematic about it) and I liked the revelation about Adam Knight at the end. Oh and of course the cape! But, alas, it gets the nod.
9. Lexmas (S5)

Well looks like I'm going "lone wolf" on this one... :lol: Honestly I don't see what anyone finds that appealing about this ep, I mean forget the nines, Lexmas is one of the all-time worst eps of Smallville, period (IMO). Such an over-rated episode to me.

Haven't been round for a while so only just seen your post Xanderman, but it definitely deserves a :eek:!
Fair do's it might be over-rated by some, but "one of the all-time worst"? That said, I hate the Santa scenes! :lol:

[Vergon6]

Episode 10 - Shimmer
Episode 11 - Hug
Episode 12 - Hereafter

I'm starting to feel sorry for those S1 episodes - I'm voting for them purely because I cannot really remember what happens in them! Chances are that if I watched them I'd prefer them to Fanatic or Visage. But sadly I don't have the time......
I like all of the episodes in the No.12 slot and I feel traitorous for voting for Hereafter - I especially liked the running club opening (there's something quite cinematic about it) and I liked the revelation about Adam Knight at the end. Oh and of course the cape! But, alas, it gets the nod.


Haven't been round for a while so only just seen your post Xanderman, but it definitely deserves a :eek:!
Fair do's it might be over-rated by some, but "one of the all-time worst"? That said, I hate the Santa scenes! :lol:
Don't worry. I just rewatched all of Season 1 and Season 2 in the last month after finally getting the DVDs for them. You are on the right track ;).

With Season 1, the first few episodes weren't that great, but then the writing seemed to get a lot better, but then they still had some clunkers in there. Plus this is not to say the episodes in Season 1 were bad per se, but maybe you just didn't like them as much as the others. So it comes down sometimes to least favorite rather than 'worst'.

[Lex Dance]

So it comes down sometimes to least favorite rather than 'worst'.
Definitely. For the majority of my choices in this thread it's been a process of elimination. And to be honest, forgetting an episode is a clear indicator that it's not a favourite (and possibly, by default, least favourite). For instance, I remember S1 and S2 favourites quite clearly, even though I've watched them as many times as the rest of the episodes from those seasons (ie. Hourglass, Tempest, Insurgence, Rosetta etc etc). I'm a bit pedantic when it comes to watching the DVDs - I have to watch every episode in order and I won't fast forward through the mediocre episodes to get to the good stuff. Nor will I just sit down to watch a favourite episode on its own.

[Xanderman]

Fair do's it might be over-rated by some, but "one of the all-time worst"? That said, I hate the Santa scenes! :lol:It's just a really boring episode to me, they could have done so much more with the concept. Instead we got a first class ticket to Cliche City. lol

The payoff (Lex's money/power revelation) wasn't anything clever or original (similar to when Lana made the monumental discovery that money wasn't just luxury, it was also power--what a shocker, lol). Clark (or just we the viewers) discovering Santa is actually real in SV's 'verse (and Santa in return discovering that aliens are real, lol) also didn't impress me much. heh

I just hope they don't ever try follow-ups with ideas like Lexukkah, Lexoween, or Lexgiving Day... lol

[Lex Dance]

It's just a really boring episode to me, they could have done so much more with the concept. Instead we got a first class ticket to Cliche City. lol

I just hope they don't ever try follow-ups with ideas like Lexukkah, Lexoween, or Lexgiving Day... lol
:rotfl:
If there was an Anti-Episode Title Wars, Lexmas would win. Hands down it's the lamest; it doesn't even work - it's not like they were comparing Lex Luthor to Jesus Christ in either reality! :lol:
As for the Santa scenes, I was nervous all the way through that he was going to look at his bottle, shake his head and then throw it in a nearby bin.
But if I put all of this out of my mind, Lexmas is a great episode for me. I totally bought MR's portrayal of an altruistic, philanthropic Lex Luthor. Plus I found the relationship between Lex and his mother very interesting. And then there's the final scene with Lex looking out over Metropolis. Did you find those parts cliched, or just the holiday stuff?

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 10 ~ Shimmer
Episode 11 ~ Hug
Episode 12 ~ Fracture

[xrayvision]

Episode 10: Persona

Episode 11: Unsafe

Episode 12: Reckoning


For Episode 10, I didn't hate any of the episodes. The one I enjoyed least was Persona thanks to what I call the Lana-obsessorizing of Bizarro. It was utterly pathetic. Dax-Ur was completely wasted for a crap-piling of a plot. Bizarro was a sorry, lovesick disgrace of a "villian". Heck, Lana seemed more of a villian than Bizarro did. I didn't really like the way they used Brainiac in this episode (extracting metal from mice to materialize---please). I also hated the explanation of Clark's imprisonment in the FOS. Instead of showing Bizarro to be a dangerous foe capable of using the FOS against Clark, they made Jor-El even more of a maniac doing the most reckless & pointless thing he ever did at a time where 2 supposedly deadly enemies were prowling. Even though Shimmer and Fanatic weren't strong episodes, I still enjoyed them more than I did Persona for what they had. They didn't crap on a potentially great character. Fanatic was actually a good setup and explanation to why Jonathan died. Shimmer was cool with the invisible potion that Jeff Palmer created and I thought the Lex-Victoria stuff was interesting. I also liked the background we got on Lex's mother and the watch she gave him. I liked Hydro mainly because I liked the plots of the episode. Scare was also an episode I liked with the exception of the Lana-centric fears. Whisper was a very good episode and I liked the way superhearing was introduced. Skinwalker was my favorite episode in this spot.

For Episode 11, my choice was Unsafe, which barely beat Justice. I thought Unsafe was a 100% relationship episode and I just didn't care for it. The use of red-k in this episode was like Smallville blasphemy. The episode just used sex to sell it, and that's something I really don't look for in Smallville. It was a borefest for me. My 2nd choice for worst 12th episode is Justice. I hated that episode because of the opening of the episode (which was pointless) and mainly because of the incompetent way Clark was portrayed throughout the episode and the terrorist tactics that Clark allowed Ollie to use. Clark looked like a dumbass with that dumb look on his face when walking with the other "heroes" for getting owned throughout the episode. The only things I liked were Lex's ponytail line and seeing Victor again. I didn't like Siren that much either (I didn't care for Smallville's Black Canary), but thought it was a large step up from Justice. I just don't care about seeing other DC characters in this show. I watch it to see Clark Kent become Superman and for Lex to become the super criminal. They never needed such ratings ploys in the 1st three seasons. I liked Lockdown because I thought it was a great continuation of the events in Arrival with the Brainiac ship. It also allowed Lionel's line at the end of Cyborg to be possible. Delete was an extremely good episode with the mystery of Adam Knight starting to slowly unravel & with those multiple very dramatic attempts on Chloe's life. I liked Dr. Garner's role in the episode as well as Molly (a great character). Visage was a great return of Tina Greer as Whitney, who had just been killed in combat. The scene with Whitney's mother was very well done & dramatic. I also like the ship's role in the neutralization of the necklace (it did it without the key, making me think the Eradicator really has been inside that ship). Hug was my favorite 11th episode with Kyle Tippet & Bob Rickman paralleling the future Superman & Lex feud. I loved many of Lex's lines after he was influenced by Rickman.

For Episode 12, it was a slam dunk. No episode 12 comes close to being more hated than Reckoning. Everything about the episode was horrible. The beginning sucked because it played out some events that would never happen and got everyone who wanted to see such a thing (myself NOT included) fired up for the 2nd half letdown. The living the day twice plot was very weak and a dumb thing to do. The episode was very boring seeing almost the same thing happening twice. The worst was the worthless, pointless death of a cherished character that did horrendous damage to the show and had 0 benefits. My 2nd choice goes for Pariah which was a continuation of the very boring Unsafe. The only good things about Pariah were the revelation of Clark's powers to Chloe (something that actually proved to be detrimental to the development of Clark starting in season 5) and the dramatic death of Alicia. Then I'd say comes Fracture (which was a good episode but is hurt by some very farfetched plot elements like Lex getting shot point blank in the head and living & being flown from Detroit to Smallville Medical Center). I liked Labyrinth, but compared to Leech, Hereafter & Insurgence, I didn't think it was as high caliber. I would say Hereafter would be the next choice because of some things that could have been better done involving stuff between Coach Altman and Lana & Megan. But I loved the Superman cape scene that Jordan saw and Jordan was a cool character. The ending of Hereafter was very powerful and disturbing. Then I'd say comes Leech, which was a great episode in which Clark lost his powers (one of the greatest). I liked his encounter with Eric Summers and found little to complain about. My last choice is Insurgence since I thought that episode rocked all other episode 12's with its suspenseful, exciting plot with many twists (thanks to what was in Lionel's safe) and that magnificent jump from the Daily Planet to Luthorcorp. I wish they would have continued the Martha working for Lionel plot.

[krewsaider]

Episode 10 - Fanatic
Episode 11 - Unsafe
Episode 12 - Pariah

[Dr. Walden]

Thanks to all those who have voted so far! Results for Round 4 are posted on the first page.

Round 5 will end on August 1 at 5 PM EST

The options are...

Episode 13:
S1-Kinetic
S2-Suspect
S3-Velocity
S4-Recruit
S5-Vengeance
S6-Crimson
S7-Hero

Episode 14:
S1-Zero
S2-Rush
S3-Obsession
S4-Krypto
S5-Tomb
S6-Trespass
S7-Traveler

Episode 15:
S1-Nicodemus
S2-Prodigal
S3-Resurrection
S4-Sacred
S5-Cyborg
S6-Freak
S7-Veritas


My choices are...

Episode 13-Recruit
Episode 14-Tomb
Episode 15-Veritas

Man this just keeps getting more and more difficult. Episode 13 is probably the hardest of the bunch for me. Kinetic wasn't great, but the characters were so great in Season 1, that I don't find myself wanting to vote for many Season 1 episodes at all. Suspect seemed like one of the more isolated episodes of Season 2. It seemed to be filler, but not entirely uninteresting filler, and the crime drama type thing has never been seen in quite the same way on Smallville. It too is spared. I secretly love Velocity in a "so bad its good" kind of way. Vengeance and Crimson are great. Hero was so annoying. So horribly bad. Product placement, bad plot. No more needs to be said about it. However, I guess I was so excited for the return of Pete, that I didn't care much and enjoyed it regardless. After a few more views, Hero may easily be the worst in my eyes. However, Recruit is another reason why I hate almost everything about Season 4. The football plot always sucked in my opinion. It harked back to Season 1 high schooly episodes, but in a far inferior way. This was incredibly disappointing, given the progress over Seasons 2 and 3. Also, Clark Kent quarterback just didn't fit the character that we had grown to love over the first few seasons. Recruit was just a disappointing end to a very bad arc. Also, being someone who really hated the introduction of Lois, too much Lois...

Episode 14 was really a choice between Krypto, Tomb and Trespass. All the others were solid, including Traveler, which you will rarely hear me say about a Season 7 episode...Krypto was yet another pointless Season 4 episode, trying to hard to be fun. As much as this philosophy bothered me, I actually did find this one somewhat fun, so its only my third least favorite. Real close between Tomb and Trespass. On repeat viewings, Tomb has gotten way better in my eyes, as has most of the second half of Season 5, which I used to really not like. Trespass was mediocre in a string of great episodes, and eliminated any forward progress of the developing stories for a reused "Lana has a stalker, bad guy is in a position meant to protect." However, I enjoyed the investigation and Clark's saves (although not his lack of save at the end). Tomb still bothers me more because of the bad plot, and more than that, the real lack of backstory on these characters we were introduced to. Sure, we heard the entire story eventually, but it was very surface level. I guess maybe some flashbacks may have helped? It felt very removed, therefore I couldn't get too involved.

Episode 15 was a bit easier. 5 great episodes, then Resurrection and Veritas. And, just given my tendency to favor the characters as they were in Season 3, as opposed to Season 7, I chose Veritas. I found it hard to believe the emotional scene at the end, given all that had happened. I wished this, and the rest of the season, would have explained Lionel's motives with the traveler a bit better. The entire Veritas storyline just seemed kind of rushed (and perhaps it was, because of the strike).

[quietone]

Episode 13 - Hero: Total waste of Pete.
Episode 14 - Trespass: Lana has a stalker...YAWN.
Episode 15 - Resurrection: I barely remember what this episode was about.

[Vergon6]

Episode 13-Kinetic-really lame villains, and I am not a big fan of Whitney, so...I know Hero had product placement but I liked enough of the episode to not have it as my least favorite.
Episode 14-Tomb-poor use of a Chloe episode, again the villain was annoying.
Episode 15-Resurrection-it was an okay episode, but I liked the other episode 15's better. I thought "Veritas" was pretty good despite it's flaws.

[MrsK]

Episode 13 - Hero: I can't believe I'm not voting for Velocity, but I thought Hero was bad, bad, bad. Cool effect when Clark knocked out Lex and his security guy, but otherwise, what a waste of Pete's return. I really didn't like the way he blamed everything he didn't like in his life on Clark, and just how does Pete think Lionel caused his parents' divorce? How is leaving Clark incapacitated by a chunk of kryptonite which will kill him if no one shows up to help being a hero? There were quite a few scenes that didn't flow well - needed tweaking during filming, but this one was shot during the strike, and I think it suffered for it. Not to mention the BLATANT product placement! Velocity and Kinetic would have been my next two choices.

Episode 14 - Tomb: Allison did a great job in this one, but I just really didn't like the whole possession plot. Lex somehow having the authority to have Chloe transferred bothered me enough to take me out of the episode, and why was there not even a mention of Gabe? This was also when Clana was at its absolute most irritating, in my opinion. They were still together but not communicating - past time for them to have broken up.

Episode 15 - Resurrection: I chose this one more by process of elimination. I thought this was definitely the strongest group of episodes this round. Garrett just went psycho a little too fast, and the idea that he thought Vince needed a liver - any liver, regardless of tissue match - was a little too absurd. As was Lana asking Clark at the end what he thought was in the serum - why would she think he knows? Just a set-up for him to lie to her again, which in this case seemed completely unnecessary. I liked Clark being proactive and getting the serum, though, and a it was good reveal that it did indeed contain his blood. I also always appreciate seeing quick thinking on Clark's part like in the scene at the end where he grabbed the lead shield to protect himself from the bomb.

[borednow]

Episode 13:
S7-Hero

Episode 14:
S6-Trespass


Episode 15:
S3-Resurrection

[lana 9]

episode 13kinetic
episode 14 rush
episode 14 resurrection

[MBrittan]

Episode 10: Persona

Episode 11: Unsafe

Episode 12: Reckoning


For Episode 10, I didn't hate any of the episodes. The one I enjoyed least was Persona thanks to what I call the Lana-obsessorizing of Bizarro. It was utterly pathetic. Dax-Ur was completely wasted for a crap-piling of a plot. Bizarro was a sorry, lovesick disgrace of a "villian". Heck, Lana seemed more of a villian than Bizarro did. I didn't really like the way they used Brainiac in this episode (extracting metal from mice to materialize---please). I also hated the explanation of Clark's imprisonment in the FOS. Instead of showing Bizarro to be a dangerous foe capable of using the FOS against Clark, they made Jor-El even more of a maniac doing the most reckless & pointless thing he ever did at a time where 2 supposedly deadly enemies were prowling. Even though Shimmer and Fanatic weren't strong episodes, I still enjoyed them more than I did Persona for what they had. They didn't crap on a potentially great character. Fanatic was actually a good setup and explanation to why Jonathan died. Shimmer was cool with the invisible potion that Jeff Palmer created and I thought the Lex-Victoria stuff was interesting. I also liked the background we got on Lex's mother and the watch she gave him. I liked Hydro mainly because I liked the plots of the episode. Scare was also an episode I liked with the exception of the Lana-centric fears. Whisper was a very good episode and I liked the way superhearing was introduced. Skinwalker was my favorite episode in this spot.

For Episode 11, my choice was Unsafe, which barely beat Justice. I thought Unsafe was a 100% relationship episode and I just didn't care for it. The use of red-k in this episode was like Smallville blasphemy. The episode just used sex to sell it, and that's something I really don't look for in Smallville. It was a borefest for me. My 2nd choice for worst 12th episode is Justice. I hated that episode because of the opening of the episode (which was pointless) and mainly because of the incompetent way Clark was portrayed throughout the episode and the terrorist tactics that Clark allowed Ollie to use. Clark looked like a dumbass with that dumb look on his face when walking with the other "heroes" for getting owned throughout the episode. The only things I liked were Lex's ponytail line and seeing Victor again. I didn't like Siren that much either (I didn't care for Smallville's Black Canary), but thought it was a large step up from Justice. I just don't care about seeing other DC characters in this show. I watch it to see Clark Kent become Superman and for Lex to become the super criminal. They never needed such ratings ploys in the 1st three seasons. I liked Lockdown because I thought it was a great continuation of the events in Arrival with the Brainiac ship. It also allowed Lionel's line at the end of Cyborg to be possible. Delete was an extremely good episode with the mystery of Adam Knight starting to slowly unravel & with those multiple very dramatic attempts on Chloe's life. I liked Dr. Garner's role in the episode as well as Molly (a great character). Visage was a great return of Tina Greer as Whitney, who had just been killed in combat. The scene with Whitney's mother was very well done & dramatic. I also like the ship's role in the neutralization of the necklace (it did it without the key, making me think the Eradicator really has been inside that ship). Hug was my favorite 11th episode with Kyle Tippet & Bob Rickman paralleling the future Superman & Lex feud. I loved many of Lex's lines after he was influenced by Rickman.

For Episode 12, it was a slam dunk. No episode 12 comes close to being more hated than Reckoning. Everything about the episode was horrible. The beginning sucked because it played out some events that would never happen and got everyone who wanted to see such a thing (myself NOT included) fired up for the 2nd half letdown. The living the day twice plot was very weak and a dumb thing to do. The episode was very boring seeing almost the same thing happening twice. The worst was the worthless, pointless death of a cherished character that did horrendous damage to the show and had 0 benefits. My 2nd choice goes for Pariah which was a continuation of the very boring Unsafe. The only good things about Pariah were the revelation of Clark's powers to Chloe (something that actually proved to be detrimental to the development of Clark starting in season 5) and the dramatic death of Alicia. Then I'd say comes Fracture (which was a good episode but is hurt by some very farfetched plot elements like Lex getting shot point blank in the head and living & being flown from Detroit to Smallville Medical Center). I liked Labyrinth, but compared to Leech, Hereafter & Insurgence, I didn't think it was as high caliber. I would say Hereafter would be the next choice because of some things that could have been better done involving stuff between Coach Altman and Lana & Megan. But I loved the Superman cape scene that Jordan saw and Jordan was a cool character. The ending of Hereafter was very powerful and disturbing. Then I'd say comes Leech, which was a great episode in which Clark lost his powers (one of the greatest). I liked his encounter with Eric Summers and found little to complain about. My last choice is Insurgence since I thought that episode rocked all other episode 12's with its suspenseful, exciting plot with many twists (thanks to what was in Lionel's safe) and that magnificent jump from the Daily Planet to Luthorcorp. I wish they would have continued the Martha working for Lionel plot.

I couldn't possibly disagree more about Justice and Reckoning. I think you are in the EXTREME minority on those two episodes. As for the opening scene of Justice being "pointless", I thought it was a "fun" way of letting Clark know that Bart was back in town. After all, speed is what unites those two. I find it very entertaining to watch those two race...
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

I couldn't possibly disagree more about Justice and Reckoning. I think you are in the EXTREME minority on those two episodes. As for the opening scene of Justice being "pointless", I thought it was a "fun" way of letting Clark know that Bart was back in town. After all, speed is what unites those two. I find it very entertaining to watch those two race...
-M-

I wouldn't say extreme minority for Reckoning. Rather unpopular episode among many fans.

Justice maybe. I just think its massively overrated, but not the worst.

[MBrittan]

Episode 13: Vengeance - I CAN'T STAND the character of the "Angel of Vengeance". What a total generic rip-off of GOOD vigilantee characters in the DC Universe. There are SEVERAL of existing characters they could have used in her place (Huntress is who I would have chosen). Not to mention the SHAMELESS plugs for AcuVue lenses throughout the episode. If they were ever going to introduce Batman, this would have been a perfect place to do it.
Episode 14: Tomb - This episode was a rip-off of the movie "Stir of Echoes"
Episode 15: Freak - Not really a "bad" episode here, but I liked Freak the least.

[Johnny_Luck]

I wouldn't say extreme minority for Reckoning. Rather unpopular episode among many fans.

Justice maybe. I just think its massively overrated, but not the worst.

Reckoning is not even 50/50 in its love hate, there are a lot more who love it or even just like it than hate it.

[skizzo]

Recruit
Tomb
Veritas

[Dr. Walden]

Reckoning is not even 50/50 in its love hate, there are a lot more who love it or even just like it than hate it.

Yeah, didn't claim it to be 50/50, but the words "extreme majority" indicate it is more like 90/10, which its not. I'd put it more at 70/30, which is far from EXTREME.

[CallMeClark]

Episode 13 - Recruit
Episode 14 - Trespass
Episode 15 -Resurrection

[BadToad]

Episode 13: Hero

Episode 14: Trespass

Episode 15: Sacred

[xrayvision]

Episode 13: Recruit
Episode 14: Krypto
Episode 15: Sacred


For Episode 13 it was a no contest. Recruit was one of my least favorite episodes of the series to put it kindly. I thought this was a horrible time in season 4 as there was a streak of really bad consecutive episodes around this time starting with Unsafe and ending with Lucy and it took Onyx to break it. This episode was a total filler like several episodes before it and the 3 episodes following. It was already done in Hothead and they just wasted more time in season 4 repeating an old plot instead of having an Indiana Jones style plot for the stones as I heard they originally intended to have. Thinking about the wasted time that could have been used for something constructive just annoys me so I won't say any more. My 2nd choice would be Hero only because of the way they ridiculed Pete and how Clark was once again reactive than proactive. I also didn't like how they made Pete partnering politically with Lex an impossibility and how they destroyed the way things ended off between the 2 in Forsaken. My next choice would be Vengeance because once again I thought the use of red-k in the 1st half and even the Lana-centric tendencies of Clark under red-k in the 2nd half do not meet the original intentions of red-k and its effects on Clark. In Red & Exile, we saw Clark going after girls like Lana, Jessie, and the one at the car dealer, but red-k wasn't a love potion in those episodes. He threw them all aside for something more important---living life the way he couldn't as a Kent family member. That's why he ditched Jessie for the money he could get by ratting her father out, it's why he left Lana & the car dealer girl in Exile. I did like the dinner table confrontation, but that was really the only high point and the only time where red-k was used the way it should have been. My next choice is Vengeance, and I hate having it here because it was a good episode. I'm just set back by the events of Reckoning that I think ruined the remainder of the season and even the series. After that I may have to say Kinetic, mainly because I liked Suspect and Velocity more. I thought Kinetic was a good episode but maybe a little slow paced at times. Velocity was a great episode and one that I keep loving more and more. Jason Dante was a great villian and was interesting to see. I also liked how Pete got in trouble because of his jealousy (though I wish they didn't reuse this in Hero). One of my favorite parts was when Lex confronted Clark about helping his friend and how his Porsche accidentally disappeared and then reappeared. I thought that put a very interesting strain on their friendship and wanted to see more of that. Suspect is last since it was my favorite of all the #13 episodes. It was a great "Who did it?" episode and showed how evil & hated Lionel was.

For Episode 14, again season 4's episode (Krypto) takes the cake for worst episode #14 for me. Again they prematurely paired Lois & Clark together as a cheap ratings ploy and it just bombed. We hardly saw Clark using his powers and the episode was just boring. It was another filler in a series of fillers. The 2nd worst has to be Tomb. That was another bad episode with a bad attempt at trying to go into Supernatural's realm and really didn't make sense. I didn't care for seeing Chloe as "insane". They continued to butcher her and her mother's past and I just didn't like the episode. The next choice would be Traveler mainly because I hated the Traveler/Veritas plot and Lionel's reason for trapping Clark was never given. Also Clark looked completely helpless in this episode and it was a joke to see Jor-El giving Kara's memories back. Obviously the writers of this episode didn't watch Blue where Jor-El said he had nothing to do with Kara's disappearance and that it was Zor-El who did that. The next one would be Trespass because it hardly had Clark in it and was basically an episode where Lana was a spy. I did like some parts like the scene with the necklace and the scene on the mansion's roof, but was very turned off by the murder right outside Clark's door. The next episode would be Obsession because it was more of a shipper's episode, though it did have Alicia at her best. I do like this episode very much though, but like the 2 others in this spot better. After Obsession, I would put down Zero. I loved Zero because it connected the dots that were left and mentioned by Phelan in Rogue and by Toby in Hug. It was maybe the first episode that showed that wherever Lex goes, trouble follows him. Like Jonathan said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. The main weakness of the episode was the explanation behind the fake Jude Royce. With all the kryptonitre, they could have come up with a better one. My last choice (and my favorite episode 14) was Rush. I really have nothing bad to say about that episode.

For Episode 15, it has to be another season 4 episode---Sacred. I was put off entirely by the witch plot, and was put off even further that they mixed that horrendous plot with the stones plot which I wanted to see, but it just never took off. This episode could have been great without the witch stuff, but they ruined it. Without the witch plot, this episode would have been the template I wanted them to follow with the stones plot (episodes where the characters would travel far and abroad looking for the stones and running into all sorts of problems and turning against each other for the power). They ruined what should have been a great season-long plot and featured it in only a handful of episodes, 2 of which were tainted by the dumb witch plots. Next choice is without question Veritas (which would have taken the cake had it not been for Sacred). So many things in this episode were beyond ridiculous (Kara travelling through open space unprotected to the exposure of red solar radiation as she went back to Krypton, the very presence of time travel in this show, Swann having a journal after he never was shown to have one previously and didn't give it to Clark when he died, Lionel knowing that Clark would show up in Smallville on the day of the meteor shower---something not even Swann knew, etc). In the comics, retcons are explained through the Crisis and its effects. But in this show nothing was explained and Veritas just ignored the entire past events that the show established. I would say after Veritas came Resurrection. I liked the episode and the continued use of the plot involving Clark's blood, but there were some parts that slowed the episode down (like the ones with Lex & Dr. Teng and some with Garrett). Then probably comes Prodigal which was a great episode but had some slow moments. I liked the way they presented Lucas in that episode and always wanted him to return. I love the climax of the episode with that Cain and Abel scene. After that I would say Nicodemus only because I liked Cyborg & Freak more. I really have no complaints about Nicodemus. Cyborg would be after that, mainly because I wanted Clana to be over already. The episode was great though and I liked Smallville's Victor Stone and how he and Clark worked together. I also like the way Lex and the doctor (was it Alistair) worked together and Lex's blatant lies. Freak was the best episode for me in the #15 spot because it allowed Clark & Lex to shine as hero & villian and Clark used all his powers in this episode. I loved that ending with Lex's eyes.

[skully]

Episode 13 - Velocity
Episode 14 - Krypto
Episode 15 - Resurrection

[Twitch]

Episode 13- Hero
Episode 14- Trespass
Episode 15- Resurrection

[Vergon6]

Episode 13: Vengeance - I CAN'T STAND the character of the "Angel of Vengeance". What a total generic rip-off of GOOD vigilantee characters in the DC Universe. There are SEVERAL of existing characters they could have used in her place (Huntress is who I would have chosen). Not to mention the SHAMELESS plugs for AcuVue lenses throughout the episode. If they were ever going to introduce Batman, this would have been a perfect place to do it.
.
I actually liked "Vengeance". I for some reason even forgot that there was that AcuVue reference until I rewatched the episode a month or so ago. I knew that she wore contacts. I guess despite the cringe worthy "AcuVue to the rescue" line by Chloe, it was a lot less in your face than the Stride gum references in "Hero".

[Lex Dance]

Episode 13 - Kinetic
Episode 14 - Krypto
Episode 15 - Sacred

Kinetic - gets the nod for not being remembered too well! Was it the one where Whitney gets in with the wrong crowd? If it is, I vaguely remember liking that one - but no more than any of the other choices. Dr. Walden - Velocity is a guilty pleasure of mine too.

Krypto - very mediocre episode. I'm surprised at the number of Tomb votes; it's an episode I enjoy even if there are flaws.

Sacred - tough choice this one. Could have gone for Resurrection too - I like both episodes and neither particularly offends me enough to become an obvious choice. I'll save Resurrection because of its part in a number of the great S3 arcs.

[Johnny_Luck]

I think people hate on the witch plot just for the sake of it because the two episodes that focused on it the most had some of the coolest effects, well though out humor, solid dialog, and great acting by the leads. Scared also had that really awesome fight scene in it as well.


People refuse to accept that the plot was actually there for a good reason, to show that there were other people connected to each other and his past other than just him and the people and to show that Clark had another weakness other than rocks. I mean you see people complain about the use of Kryptonite but when they use his other weakness in magic they bash that too. Its like the writers write what they know is good because they know people aren't going to completely happy no matter how hard they work and no matter how good things are.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----

S3-Velocity

worst smallville episode ever.



S5-Tomb

Horrible plot, terrible acting, just overall awful.



S6-Freak

See Tomb, barring the ending with Lana and Tobias this had nothing to make it worth anyones time.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 13 ~ Velocity
Episode 14 ~ Tomb
Episode 15 ~ Resurrection

I really liked Sacred, the location, the hunt for the Stones, the Isobel and Clark fight scene, Lex and Jason team-up, and I think the Witch plot just made it more exciting.

I also liked Recruit, I like a happy Heroic Clark:)

My 3 picks for worst, well, I just didn't enjoy them as much as the others.

[Xanderman]

Lexmas is a great episode for me. I totally bought MR's portrayal of an altruistic, philanthropic Lex Luthor. Plus I found the relationship between Lex and his mother very interesting. And then there's the final scene with Lex looking out over Metropolis. Did you find those parts cliched, or just the holiday stuff?Maybe somebody "scrooged" me when I wasn't looking, who knows. Lol perhaps I'm being overly harsh as I do agree that MR's performance was enjoyable. I just found too many cliches strung together in this ep end to end with very little creativity. Cliches such as a "dream life" that consists of a wife and kids, house, car etc, his mother's ghost telling him that it isn't too late to change etc and that he could have this life if he really wanted it, and blahforth. I also thought Clark and the other characters were immensely boring in Lex's "perfect world". I guess in his perfect world everyone and everything is plain, simple and boring (himself included).:lol: Pursuing money and power is far more interesting, that really should have been the main reason why he abandoned that other life, lol. This episode also gave us an almost noble reason for Lex turning to "evil", that his decision is based on not wanting to lose the people he loves/things he cares about in his life due to a lack of money/power/control. Setting up Lex as a tragic villain rather than a true monster. (As a fan of the truly evil movie Lex I'm a bit at odds with this version, but according to comics fans this is the way Lex is supposed to be.)

[MBrittan]

Episode 13: Recruit
Episode 14: Krypto
Episode 15: Sacred


For Episode 13 it was a no contest. Recruit was one of my least favorite episodes of the series to put it kindly. I thought this was a horrible time in season 4 as there was a streak of really bad consecutive episodes around this time starting with Unsafe and ending with Lucy and it took Onyx to break it. This episode was a total filler like several episodes before it and the 3 episodes following. It was already done in Hothead and they just wasted more time in season 4 repeating an old plot instead of having an Indiana Jones style plot for the stones as I heard they originally intended to have. Thinking about the wasted time that could have been used for something constructive just annoys me so I won't say any more. My 2nd choice would be Hero only because of the way they ridiculed Pete and how Clark was once again reactive than proactive. I also didn't like how they made Pete partnering politically with Lex an impossibility and how they destroyed the way things ended off between the 2 in Forsaken. My next choice would be Vengeance because once again I thought the use of red-k in the 1st half and even the Lana-centric tendencies of Clark under red-k in the 2nd half do not meet the original intentions of red-k and its effects on Clark. In Red & Exile, we saw Clark going after girls like Lana, Jessie, and the one at the car dealer, but red-k wasn't a love potion in those episodes. He threw them all aside for something more important---living life the way he couldn't as a Kent family member. That's why he ditched Jessie for the money he could get by ratting her father out, it's why he left Lana & the car dealer girl in Exile. I did like the dinner table confrontation, but that was really the only high point and the only time where red-k was used the way it should have been. My next choice is Vengeance, and I hate having it here because it was a good episode. I'm just set back by the events of Reckoning that I think ruined the remainder of the season and even the series. After that I may have to say Kinetic, mainly because I liked Suspect and Velocity more. I thought Kinetic was a good episode but maybe a little slow paced at times. Velocity was a great episode and one that I keep loving more and more. Jason Dante was a great villian and was interesting to see. I also liked how Pete got in trouble because of his jealousy (though I wish they didn't reuse this in Hero). One of my favorite parts was when Lex confronted Clark about helping his friend and how his Porsche accidentally disappeared and then reappeared. I thought that put a very interesting strain on their friendship and wanted to see more of that. Suspect is last since it was my favorite of all the #13 episodes. It was a great "Who did it?" episode and showed how evil & hated Lionel was.

For Episode 14, again season 4's episode (Krypto) takes the cake for worst episode #14 for me. Again they prematurely paired Lois & Clark together as a cheap ratings ploy and it just bombed. We hardly saw Clark using his powers and the episode was just boring. It was another filler in a series of fillers. The 2nd worst has to be Tomb. That was another bad episode with a bad attempt at trying to go into Supernatural's realm and really didn't make sense. I didn't care for seeing Chloe as "insane". They continued to butcher her and her mother's past and I just didn't like the episode. The next choice would be Traveler mainly because I hated the Traveler/Veritas plot and Lionel's reason for trapping Clark was never given. Also Clark looked completely helpless in this episode and it was a joke to see Jor-El giving Kara's memories back. Obviously the writers of this episode didn't watch Blue where Jor-El said he had nothing to do with Kara's disappearance and that it was Zor-El who did that. The next one would be Trespass because it hardly had Clark in it and was basically an episode where Lana was a spy. I did like some parts like the scene with the necklace and the scene on the mansion's roof, but was very turned off by the murder right outside Clark's door. The next episode would be Obsession because it was more of a shipper's episode, though it did have Alicia at her best. I do like this episode very much though, but like the 2 others in this spot better. After Obsession, I would put down Zero. I loved Zero because it connected the dots that were left and mentioned by Phelan in Rogue and by Toby in Hug. It was maybe the first episode that showed that wherever Lex goes, trouble follows him. Like Jonathan said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. The main weakness of the episode was the explanation behind the fake Jude Royce. With all the kryptonitre, they could have come up with a better one. My last choice (and my favorite episode 14) was Rush. I really have nothing bad to say about that episode.

For Episode 15, it has to be another season 4 episode---Sacred. I was put off entirely by the witch plot, and was put off even further that they mixed that horrendous plot with the stones plot which I wanted to see, but it just never took off. This episode could have been great without the witch stuff, but they ruined it. Without the witch plot, this episode would have been the template I wanted them to follow with the stones plot (episodes where the characters would travel far and abroad looking for the stones and running into all sorts of problems and turning against each other for the power). They ruined what should have been a great season-long plot and featured it in only a handful of episodes, 2 of which were tainted by the dumb witch plots. Next choice is without question Veritas (which would have taken the cake had it not been for Sacred). So many things in this episode were beyond ridiculous (Kara travelling through open space unprotected to the exposure of red solar radiation as she went back to Krypton, the very presence of time travel in this show, Swann having a journal after he never was shown to have one previously and didn't give it to Clark when he died, Lionel knowing that Clark would show up in Smallville on the day of the meteor shower---something not even Swann knew, etc). In the comics, retcons are explained through the Crisis and its effects. But in this show nothing was explained and Veritas just ignored the entire past events that the show established. I would say after Veritas came Resurrection. I liked the episode and the continued use of the plot involving Clark's blood, but there were some parts that slowed the episode down (like the ones with Lex & Dr. Teng and some with Garrett). Then probably comes Prodigal which was a great episode but had some slow moments. I liked the way they presented Lucas in that episode and always wanted him to return. I love the climax of the episode with that Cain and Abel scene. After that I would say Nicodemus only because I liked Cyborg & Freak more. I really have no complaints about Nicodemus. Cyborg would be after that, mainly because I wanted Clana to be over already. The episode was great though and I liked Smallville's Victor Stone and how he and Clark worked together. I also like the way Lex and the doctor (was it Alistair) worked together and Lex's blatant lies. Freak was the best episode for me in the #15 spot because it allowed Clark & Lex to shine as hero & villian and Clark used all his powers in this episode. I loved that ending with Lex's eyes.

Again we disagree. I thought Sacred was one of the best episodes of the series. So far you've shot down two of my top 5 episodes of the series (Justice, Sacred)...
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

I loved Sacred too. I thought that was the only one that properly incorporated the witch and stones plots together as it should have been, if they insisted on the witch storyline.

[MBrittan]

I loved Sacred too. I thought that was the only one that properly incorporated the witch and stones plots together as it should have been, if they insisted on the witch storyline.

I thought the location of the air stone (and how the map wasn't really a map at all) was VERY clever.
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

I've been thinking about it more, and actually, perhaps the reason I liked it the most is because of how all of the characters were just thrown together. The Clark/Jason interaction had been minimal besides the stupid football plot, Lana and Clark had mostly been separate all season, Lana and Lex had drifted, and suddenly they were just all thrown together in this situation. On top of that, no one trusted each other and each character seemed to have their own motivations (though Jason and Lana may have been on the same page, its unclear), and I just thought it made for an entertaining quest.

[Vergon6]

I've been thinking about it more, and actually, perhaps the reason I liked it the most is because of how all of the characters were just thrown together. The Clark/Jason interaction had been minimal besides the stupid football plot, Lana and Clark had mostly been separate all season, Lana and Lex had drifted, and suddenly they were just all thrown together in this situation. On top of that, no one trusted each other and each character seemed to have their own motivations (though Jason and Lana may have been on the same page, its unclear), and I just thought it made for an entertaining quest.
"Sacred" was one of the stand out episodes of Season 4 for me as well. It was also one of the times that showed the merits of the witch arc I thought.

[MBrittan]

I've been thinking about it more, and actually, perhaps the reason I liked it the most is because of how all of the characters were just thrown together. The Clark/Jason interaction had been minimal besides the stupid football plot, Lana and Clark had mostly been separate all season, Lana and Lex had drifted, and suddenly they were just all thrown together in this situation. On top of that, no one trusted each other and each character seemed to have their own motivations (though Jason and Lana may have been on the same page, its unclear), and I just thought it made for an entertaining quest.

Yeah, that created a sense of urgency that wouldn't have been there had one of the characters been alone (as Lex was in India in Crusade - he had no competition).
-M-

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The Clark/Jason interaction had been minimal besides the stupid football plot

I'm actually a high school football junkie. It's one of my favorite ways to spend a Friday night in the fall. Cheap entertainment and highly competitive. I actually work for a local newspaper part-time and we cover high school football extensively. So, I'm kind of a "snob" about how the sport is portrayed on television and in movies. Smallville really does an awful, awful job. Even if you excuse the fact that Clark has superpowers and his opponents don't, everything else is just totally unrealistic. You can tell the creators of this show don't watch football. A couple of observations...
#1 Not all games end with a hail mary pass into the endzone with no time remaining on the clock. That rarely EVER happens, much less multiple times in a season. And 95% of the time, those passes fall incomplete. Why? Because all the defender has to do is knock it down to the ground and the game is over. Even high school kids have that much common sense.
#2 Those kids are huge. Some of the major high school programs in a state are going to look like small college football teams but again, that's rare. Smallville (and its opponents) look like UCLA or Florida State. Most high school football teams consist of guys of all shapes and sizes. Tall and skinny. Short and fat. They're not perfect physical specimens.
#3 TEAMS DON'T GET TO PLAY ALL OF THEIR PLAYOFF GAMES AND THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP ON THEIR OWN HOME FIELD. That would be TOTALLY unfair to the other team. They almost always play those games on a neutral field. If you're lucky, you'll get to play maybe one or two games at home. But all of them? It typically takes 5 wins to secure a state championship and the championship game is almost always played in college football stadium (or even a pro stadium). Smallville won a state championship in Jinx ON THEIR OWN HOME FIELD! Give me a break!
#4 Sponsorship. Again, VERY RARE in high school football. Almost unheard of. High school sports are funded from the athletic budget. Old Spice sponsoring a Kansas high school football playoff game? not likeley.
I could go on but I suspect I've made my point. I will say, however, that their take on COLLEGE football (Recruit) was pretty accurate. That stuff DOES go on all the time (boosters offering kids cars, kids getting laid on recruiting trips, etc.).
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[Vergon6]

Yeah, that created a sense of urgency that wouldn't have been there had one of the characters been alone (as Lex was in India in Crusade - he had no competition).
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I'm actually a high school football junkie. It's one of my favorite ways to spend a Friday night in the fall. Cheap entertainment and highly competitive. I actually work for a local newspaper part-time and we cover high school football extensively. So, I'm kind of a "snob" about how the sport is portrayed on television and in movies. Smallville really does an awful, awful job. Even if you excuse the fact that Clark has superpowers and his opponents don't, everything else is just totally unrealistic. You can tell the creators of this show don't watch football. A couple of observations...
#1 Not all games end with a hail mary pass into the endzone with no time remaining on the clock. That rarely EVER happens, much less multiple times in a season. And 95% of the time, those passes fall incomplete. Why? Because all the defender has to do is knock it down to the ground and the game is over. Even high school kids have that much common sense.
#2 Those kids are huge. Some of the major high school programs in a state are going to look like small college football teams but again, that's rare. Smallville (and its opponents) look like UCLA or Florida State. Most high school football teams consist of guys of all shapes and sizes. Tall and skinny. Short and fat. They're not perfect physical specimens.
#3 TEAMS DON'T GET TO PLAY ALL OF THEIR PLAYOFF GAMES AND THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP ON THEIR OWN HOME FIELD. That would be TOTALLY unfair to the other team. They almost always play those games on a neutral field. If you're lucky, you'll get to play maybe one or two games at home. But all of them? It typically takes 5 wins to secure a state championship and the championship game is almost always played in college football stadium (or even a pro stadium). Smallville won a state championship in Jinx ON THEIR OWN HOME FIELD! Give me a break!
#4 Sponsorship. Again, VERY RARE in high school football. Almost unheard of. High school sports are funded from the athletic budget. Old Spice sponsoring a Kansas high school football playoff game? not likeley.
I could go on but I suspect I've made my point. I will say, however, that their take on COLLEGE football (Recruit) was pretty accurate. That stuff DOES go on all the time (boosters offering kids cars, kids getting laid on recruiting trips, etc.).
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I guess I am the same way with psychology because it's field of study. It hasn't been used all that much on Smallville. Although on different occasions I believe Lana characterized Lex is psychotic or a psychopath, which are two completely different things, and it would be a bit hard to be both. You can't be a cold, calculating psychopath when you are having a psychotic episode.

There is also the tendency in movies to equate multiple personality disorder (well it's not called that anymore, but you get what I mean) with schizophrenia, again completely different things (eg. Me, Myself, and Irene).

By the way, I added a really easy Tribond in the appropriate topic, but it just added it as part of merged post, so it doesn't show as newly updated.

[xrayvision]

Again we disagree. I thought Sacred was one of the best episodes of the series. So far you've shot down two of my top 5 episodes of the series (Justice, Sacred)...
-M-

Like I said, I would have loved Sacred had they never had the witch plot in that season. The stones plot is something that Lana should have never been involved with. The witch stuff was ridiculous and had no payoff whatsoever in the end. Worse, it ruined episodes like Sacred (or at least prevented them from being as good as they could have). This is my opinion though.

I have said for a while that Lana in season 4 should have gone to a psychiatrist to get help for her problems. And after getting help early in that season, she should have gotten a job (at least an internship) or better yet volunteered at Belle Reve where she would have gotten embroiled in the plot in a realistic, yet brilliant way. Had they scrapped the witch plot and chosen to get into 33.1 at that time, she could have met freaks in Belle Reve who would disappear and end up in 33.1. It would have been cool to see Lex start to use Lana against Clark in his search for the stones by somehow using her presence in Belle Reve to distract Clark from the stones as he (Lex) searches for them.

And my main reason for not liking Justice was because it made Clark look bad, and Clark's portrayal in each episode is a major criteria for me. I've been put off by the cuts to Clark's screen time since he's the central character of the show and I am interested in seeing his development, not the Green Arrow's, not Lexana, and not Chloe. I'm all for it if other DC heroes show up once in a blue moon and have a minor role and their presence shows why Clark is DC's premier hero (which is why I liked Cyborg & Run). I just don't like these other heroes' influence on Clark becoming Superman. Clark's development into Superman should not involve them. I would have no problem if after Smallville they do a show with Clark already as Superman interacts with those other heroes. But until then, I would rather have Clark be developed independently of any other hero's influence.

[Johnny_Luck]

Like I said, I would have loved Sacred had they never had the witch plot in that season. The stones plot is something that Lana should have never been involved with. The witch stuff was ridiculous and had no payoff whatsoever in the end. Worse, it ruined episodes like Sacred (or at least prevented them from being as good as they could have). This is my opinion though.

No point to the witch plot? Yeah something that showed Clarks only other weakness, one that he didn't know he had, showed that the overused rocks where not the only way to get him.

Not only that but it allowed us to see more of the Earth Mythology connected to Clark and his past, gave us a reason to meet major players in the story and the later season 7 arc. Not only that but it connected more people to each other than were not even connected to Clark but still to each others past and ancestors actions.

It had plenty of payoff and it the only thing is that people want to claim its a stretch for witches in smallville when we have an alien, a speedster and the DC universe also you know contains Zatanna and all.


I have said for a while that Lana in season 4 should have gone to a psychiatrist to get help for her problems.

What problems? Honestly until later in season 5 around Void Lana was perfectly Stable in state and mind and had no reason to need to seek help. Chloe had more reason to seek this kind of help based on her past.

[Québec]

Episode 13: Recruit ( kind of boring episode )

Episode 14: Tomb ( poorly written )

Episode 15: Resurrection ( don't remember much about this one )

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No point to the witch plot? Yeah something that showed Clarks only other weakness, one that he didn't know he had, showed that the overused rocks where not the only way to get him.

Not only that but it allowed us to see more of the Earth Mythology connected to Clark and his past, gave us a reason to meet major players in the story and the later season 7 arc. Not only that but it connected more people to each other than were not even connected to Clark but still to each others past and ancestors actions.

It had plenty of payoff and it the only thing is that people want to claim its a stretch for witches in smallville when we have an alien, a speedster and the DC universe also you know contains Zatanna and all.

I just don't agree. I could care less if they ever showed Clark's weakness to magic. The entire thing was done ridiculously IMHO and took a once serious show and made fun of it. I'd take meteor freaks any day over witches. All this did was show Lana as more of a killer (using the Isobel character) and places a rather large portion of the blame on Brainiac's arrival & the 2nd meteor shower on Lana.

I didn't care too much about the Teagues and the way they were written in season 4 was a complete 180 from the way season 7 depicted them (as those who sacrificed their lives serving the Traveler). I have no respect for the Traveler/Veritas arc because it had no respect for previously established canon in the show. I never cared about Justice and Doom since it didn't happen on the show and I couldn't see it as part of the undisputed official storyline. The explanations were also weak and could have even been contradictory (someone else would be a better judge). Gertrude being contacted by Zod sounds preposterous given that Zod was around 350-400 years after her time. And none of this stuff even happened in season 4. Supposedly Isobel returned due to her spell that would allow her to once again seek the stones as revealed in Spell. Yet, she disappeared right after killing Genevieve, so it went from her reason for returning being due to the stones to the reason of her return being due to revenge. They had Lana as a witch for the majority of 2 episodes just to include her with the search for the stones. The rest of the time was spent on her doing meaningless research on why she was possessed only for the possession to disappear right after Genevieve was killed without any further use.

If they really wanted to do this witch thing, then they could have made it interesting in one way. They could have split Kal-El off as a seperate entity searching for the stones and made Clark protect Isobel, who would also be using her powers against Clark, from Kal-El who would try to kill her if she got in the way of him getting the stones. I wouldn't mind it so much had they done that.

What problems? Honestly until later in season 5 around Void Lana was perfectly Stable in state and mind and had no reason to need to seek help. Chloe had more reason to seek this kind of help based on her past.

The problems that finally surfaced in Void. She never got over the death of her parents (at least not until Void) and defines herself by her boyfriends and relationships--which is very unhealthy. She had taken all sorts of mental & physical abuse and also was unnaturally obsessed with Clark's secret that it impacted her life (something that should not have happened). She is also a hypocrite at various times, complaining about people keeping secrets when she does the same (like with her tattoo, how she hid the stone Jason gave her and hid it in the pipe after making it look like she was robbed), and making everyone else feel guilty of their actions when hers are no different.

I would have loved had all these problems been resolved in season 4 and had they put her into a positive role of working with Belle Reve patients so she could help them the same way the doctors would have helped her (had they done such a plot). This would have been nice had season 4 been about 33.1 and would have set her up nicely for season 5, which was more involved with Belle Reve. Heck, maybe she could have even interacted with Chloe's mom and had a nice plot going between them.

[Johnny_Luck]

I just don't agree. I could care less if they ever showed Clark's weakness to magic. The entire thing was done ridiculously IMHO and took a once serious show and made fun of it. I'd take meteor freaks any day over witches. All this did was show Lana as more of a killer (using the Isobel character) and places a rather large portion of the blame on Brainiac's arrival & the 2nd meteor shower on Lana.

I Pretty sure there was nothing that pointed out Lana had anything whatsoever to do with the second meteor shower or Brianics arrival and just that it was destined to happen based on the way Krypton was destroyed.

Not to mention I still find it ridculous that the witch thing seems so far fetched to people in a world with rock infected superfreaks, aliens, superheros, Zatanna, people with powers because of tumors, etc. I mean really witches are the least far fetched thing we gave seen in smallville.



The problems that finally surfaced in Void. She never got over the death of her parents (at least not until Void)
she used it as an excuse early on a few times, but there was an episode where they showed she was pretty much over it(and yes even with Void she could have been over it, trauma brings back bad thoughts/memories)



She had taken all sorts of mental & physical abuse You just described Pete, Clark, Lex, Lana, and a crap load of people in smallville right there.


Also was unnaturally obsessed with Clark's secret that it impacted her life (something that should not have happened).


Going by this Logic, Lionel, Lex, Chloe all should have needed extreme mental help by your standards as well. all three couldn't get over the obsession with Lex and Chloe had numerous mental break-downs over their history with their mothers(Lana really never had an issue getting over her parents as much as using it as an excuse when she was feeling bad, she showed no signs of mental problems in season 4 whatsoever. That basically be her admitting to a problem that really hadn't surfaced yet and only surfaced because of later mid games played with her by both Lex and Clark.


Honestly She wasn't really obsessed with it at all. Much less so than everyone else, all she asked was something that any normal person would want from someone they cared about and where in a relationship with and that is not to be lied to and to be told the truth. She basically boiled it down to i like the truth because I want honestly(which is realistic in that situation) or we cannot be together.

She didn't go out of her way to dwell over it or spy on him to find out what it was(until Promise)


She is also a hypocrite at various times, complaining about people keeping secrets when she does the same (like with her tattoo, how she hid the stone Jason gave her and hid it in the pipe after making it look like she was robbed), and making everyone else feel guilty of their actions when hers are no different.

You pretty much just described the way Martha, Lionel, Lex, Johnathan, Clark and Chloe were written throughout that time period as well. I mean Chloe dug into Clarks past, he yelled at her for it, then Lionel said stab your friend in the back and I will give you a job you always wanted and she did it. Then when she was thinking about changing her mind she was more worried about herself and keeping her planet job than the fact she was putting Clark in danger and then lied to clarks face to try and get him to get her father rehired because of her screw up.

Yet from some reason people still act like Chloe has never ever done anything wrong or as bad as Lana.

[Xanderman]

13. Kinetic (S1)

Choosing the weakest 13th is tough as I have a 4-way tie going for weakest, lol--the first 4 seasons' 13ths. Kinetic, Suspect, Velocity and Recruit are all pretty much on equal footing for me. But since I have a soft spot for the Boss Ross I'll rule out Velocity, and since I liked the football element of Season 4 I'll rule out Recruit. Coming down to Kinetic and Suspect, I'll let the majority vote break my tie--and that's Kinetic.

14. Zero (S1)

Probably the most aptly named episode of Smallville.:lol: Truly a zero, lol. Worst episode of Season 1 and one of the worst of the entire series for me. Other bad eps in the 14th spot include S4's Krypto and S6's Trespass (awful eps for the most part). The rest were ok or better eps to me.

15. Resurrection (S3)

Very mediocre episode, truly stands out as the worst in the pack. I wasn't a big fan of S7's Veritas either. The rest of the 15's were all good-to-great for me and earn themselves automatic immunity. heh


And as for the discussion above sparked by Sacred getting voted, I thought Sacred was a great episode. One of my faves of S4. Like others have mentioned, it brought together the witch/stones arc in an entertaining way and made it feel worthwhile.

[Johnny_Luck]

I can see why people dislike Zero. Honestly I hated it when it first aired and it took me watching it 2 times on tv again to really enjoy it for what it was.

[Dr. Walden]

I liked Zero because it said a lot about Lex's former life/reputation—the spoiled party boy who's father constantly has to bail him out. Also, there were little references to it in other episodes, which was cool, because at first they seemed offhand, but then later they made sense.

I could see somebody voting for it though. Worst episode of Season 1 might be taking it a little far for me, given Drone and Metamorphosis.

[Xanderman]

I can see why people dislike Zero. Honestly I hated it when it first aired and it took me watching it 2 times on tv again to really enjoy it for what it was.And I still hate it, lol (watching it again on dvd didn't help, heh.) Just a badly written episode with a lame/predictable plot. As "filler" episodes go, this one left me with a VERY empty stomach. lol

[Johnny_Luck]

I liked Zero because it said a lot about Lex's former life/reputation—the spoiled party boy who's father constantly has to bail him out. Also, there were little references to it in other episodes, which was cool, because at first they seemed offhand, but then later they made sense.

I could see somebody voting for it though. Worst episode of Season 1 might be taking it a little far for me, given Drone and Metamorphosis.

I don't think its close the the worst either and frankly enjoyed Metamorphosis, much more than the much loved Tempest.

Drone, Hothead, Cool, Craving, Shimmer, Crush, all much worse episodes than Zero and Metamorphosis.

[Xanderman]

I could see somebody voting for it though. Worst episode of Season 1 might be taking it a little far for me, given Drone and Metamorphosis.Metamorphosis is a great ep imo (still had the "magic" of the pilot going for it), and Drone isn't half bad either. Both underrated eps imo. I'll take those over Zero any day of the millenium. lol

[Dr. Walden]

To be fair, I just love the first 3 seasons, and all of season 1 had its own sort of magic for me—it wasn't at its best yet, but it still had this indescribable allure. I pretty much love Zero, Metamorphosis, Drone, and all the episodes JL listed...

I really don't like when episodes put emphasis on high school affairs, which is why Drone is probably my least favorite, what with the election and all.

Also, something I've noticed, are bug episodes just a prerequisite for CW sci-fi/fantasy shows? Its becoming a growing pattern...Smallville, Supernatural, and Reaper all had bug episodes very early on. And I know I'm forgetting at least one more.

[Xanderman]

S1 had the magic or "allure" as you call it of "firsts". First glimpses into characters, first discoveries (Clark only just starting to discover how powerful he really is, for example, was an ongoing element). First seasons of most shows tend to have this quality to them, it's the allure of the origin story (backstories and backgrounds are first touched upon, and everybody is the most "innocent" they will ever be). Everything is new and unexplored.

As for high school stuff, I wish we had more myself. High school should be a big part of Clark's teenage years and they seemed to barely do much with it. I would have liked to see more in-class interactions. Hardly any come to mind, one of the few that does is from Heat. The same can be said of Clark's college life--he wasn't there long was he. I loved when he was going to classes with Professor Fine lecturing. But they killed that all pretty quick.

Oh and Buffy had a bug episode very early on. In S1's 4th episode, Teacher's Pet. (tv.com: "Xander, and most of the male population of Sunnydale High, are falling all over themselves trying to impress the new substitute Biology teacher, Ms. French. When Buffy sees this femme fatale scare off a particularly nasty vampire, however, she begins to suspect that Xander may be in serious trouble.")

And of course, the teacher ends up being a giant insect (like a preying mantis or something), lol. So you're right about the bug connections you're seeing. You'd really hate this episode I guess, high school b.s. and bugs all rolled into one. lol (and notice the description resembles Heat in ways too...)

[Lex Dance]

Maybe somebody "scrooged" me when I wasn't looking, who knows. Lol.
How ironic! ;)
I just found too many cliches strung together in this ep end to end with very little creativity. Cliches such as a "dream life" that consists of a wife and kids, house, car etc, his mother's ghost telling him that it isn't too late to change etc and that he could have this life if he really wanted it, and blahforth. I also thought Clark and the other characters were immensely boring in Lex's "perfect world". I guess in his perfect world everyone and everything is plain, simple and boring (himself included).:lol: Pursuing money and power is far more interesting, that really should have been the main reason why he abandoned that other life, lol.
Thanks for getting back to me Xanderman. You're right, of course, that the premise of A Christmas Carol has been done to death by other writers and producers - especially at Christmas time - but I personally didn't find Smallville's take on it hackneyed or contrived. I think this sort of "What if.....?" situation is quite pertinent to a character like Lex (one who was at a crossroads and could still feasibly turn back - not necessarily from being "evil" (as I don't think this Lex will ever be a "monster" as such), but from total corruption). I actually think that we are supposed to assume that Lex still makes money in his alternate vision of the future, just that he uses it in a philanthropic way (ie. for the greater good). I don't think for one second that a "good" Lex would give all his money to charity and go to volunteer at a shelter for the homeless! I hear what you're saying about the boredom factor though - I guess that's why we all love a villain! :lol:
This episode also gave us an almost noble reason for Lex turning to "evil", that his decision is based on not wanting to lose the people he loves/things he cares about in his life due to a lack of money/power/control. Setting up Lex as a tragic villain rather than a true monster. (As a fan of the truly evil movie Lex I'm a bit at odds with this version, but according to comics fans this is the way Lex is supposed to be.)
This really is the reason why I watch Smallville. As much as I love watching the early years of Clark Kent, I'm most interested in the descent of Lex Luthor. And what I appreciate most about the storytelling in Smallville is that they have made Lex's journey very complex so that no one factor is ultimately responsible for his fall. Now that's characterisation! And you're right about the comics' perspective: what it boils down to is that Lex believes (as all great tyrants do) that he is in fact saving humanity.

Oh and one last thing Xanderman.........can't believe you don't like Zero - it's one of my S1 favourites! :rotfl:
I've been thinking about [Sacred] more, and actually, perhaps the reason I liked it the most is because of how all of the characters were just thrown together.
Although I voted for it here, Sacred is definitely an episode I've grown to appreciate with repeated viewings. And listening to people discuss it on this thread I think it might go up in my estimation again the next time I see it.

[Tacitus]

Episode 13-Hero
Episode 14-Trespass
Episode 15-Sacred

All around stupid episodes. All of them.

[Lex Dance]

:lol:
That won't go down well with some.

[Tacitus]

Well, they'll just have to take a tolerance pill :lol:

[SparkleforSmallville]

I remember one good scene in Trespass, when Lana and her Stalker fell thru the skylight. They showed him on the floor covered in glass and panned over to show Lana, and you saw Clark's legs. He had caught her! Didn't expect that!

[Xanderman]

Oh and one last thing Xanderman.........can't believe you don't like Zero - it's one of my S1 favourites!Lol as big a Lex fan as you are I can understand why you favor it (as it's pretty much Lexcentric). But for me, Zero is floating right there alongside Lexmas in a fictional land I like to call "Guttersville" (where SV's smelliest eps manage to somehow happily live and coexist with each other on a day to day basis). :lol:

(Nice post by the way)

[MBrittan]

There is also the tendency in movies to equate multiple personality disorder (well it's not called that anymore, but you get what I mean) with schizophrenia, again completely different things (eg. Me, Myself, and Irene).

Speaking of that, what do you think of that new Christian Slater show coming out this fall? He plays a guy with MPD.
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I have said for a while that Lana in season 4 should have gone to a psychiatrist to get help for her problems. And after getting help early in that season, she should have gotten a job (at least an internship) or better yet volunteered at Belle Reve where she would have gotten embroiled in the plot in a realistic, yet brilliant way.

Are you suggesting they should have turned her into Harley Quinn?

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Clark's development into Superman should not involve them.

Clark does not live in a vacuum...
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Gertrude being contacted by Zod sounds preposterous given that Zod was around 350-400 years after her time.

In the movies, didn't they say that Jor-el was dead 1,000 earth years by the time Superman heard his voice in the Fortress?
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If they really wanted to do this witch thing, then they could have made it interesting in one way. They could have split Kal-El off as a seperate entity searching for the stones and made Clark protect Isobel, who would also be using her powers against Clark, from Kal-El who would try to kill her if she got in the way of him getting the stones. I wouldn't mind it so much had they done that.

I'm not nearly as crazy about the whole "Kal" persona as you are. It makes Clark look like some mental patient with multiple personality disorder. Lex, I could see having dual personalities given his upbringing. But Clark? Not likely. I don't think Jor-el has had nearly enough time with Clark to brainwash all of the "good upbringing" the Kents gave him out of him.
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[Vergon6]

Speaking of that, what do you think of that new Christian Slater show coming out this fall? He plays a guy with MPD.

In the movies, didn't they say that Jor-el was dead 1,000 earth years by the time Superman heard his voice in the Fortress?
-M-

I haven't seen promos for that show. Is it on HBO or something?

Yeah they did say that. But I think the confusion with Smallville comes from the fact that according to them, Krypton got destroyed in 1986, rather than 1,000 years prior. But I think their justification for the discontinuity with Zod talking to Gertrude in the Justice and Doom game was because in the Phantom Zone, time has no meaning.

[MBrittan]

I haven't seen promos for that show. Is it on HBO or something?

NBC I think. October premiere. Looks pretty good actually. But then again, I'm not a psych major...
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I THINK it's called "My Own Worst Enemy"
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[Vergon6]

NBC I think. October premiere. Looks pretty good actually. But then again, I'm not a psych major...
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I THINK it's called "My Own Worst Enemy"
-M-
Oh ok. Well I haven't watched NBC much lately, I guess because all of the shows that I like on their are on summer hiatus, and I don't like reality shows, so I guess that's why I wouldn't have seen promos for it.

You know it's funny, I don't even watch that many psychological based shows except maybe Criminal Minds occasionally. Everyone that I tell that I am in Forensic Psychology assume that I watch CSI. Then I get annoyed, and have to explain to them that show is primarily Forensic Science (although I get the impression that they try to make the characters experts in absolutely everything). People have suggested that I watch Dexter (because it's about a serial killer who kills serial killers) but I haven't felt a need to watch it yet.

Anyways, carry on with the discussion.

[MBrittan]

Oh ok. Well I haven't watched NBC much lately, I guess because all of the shows that I like on their are on summer hiatus, and I don't like reality shows, so I guess that's why I wouldn't have seen promos for it.

You know it's funny, I don't even watch that many psychological based shows except maybe Criminal Minds occasionally. Everyone that I tell that I am in Forensic Psychology assume that I watch CSI. Then I get annoyed, and have to explain to them that show is primarily Forensic Science (although I get the impression that they try to make the characters experts in absolutely everything). People have suggested that I watch Dexter (because it's about a serial killer who kills serial killers) but I haven't felt a need to watch it yet.

Anyways, carry on with the discussion.

I really don't get into those arrogant cop/detective shows (CSI, Cold Case, etc.)
-M-

[xrayvision]

Are you suggesting they should have turned her into Harley Quinn?

No. I would have done it in a way where she didn't become insane like Harleen Quinzel did when she was the Joker's psychiatrist (I love that origin--shows how sick yet contagious the Joker is). They could have even done it where the tidbits she picks up from each freak who Clark put in Belle Reve would have led her to discover Clark's secret on her own. This would have made her a very interesting character and even one who would want to help people instead of being so self absorbed.

Clark does not live in a vacuum...

I just think that each hero should become a hero because of their life experiences and not because of the intervention of other heroes. This is how the comics did it. There was no Green Arrow, Batman, Supergirl, etc in Clark's younger life in the comics. And the same goes for Batman, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, etc (they became heroes without Superman's interference). I wanted this show to follow that standard. I have no problems with him learning stuff from the Kents and his human friends and acquaintances (even his enemies), but just not other heroes.

In the movies, didn't they say that Jor-el was dead 1,000 earth years by the time Superman heard his voice in the Fortress?

I don't remember. But I don't think so. I think the Jor-El in the movies was similar to the one in Smallville and is technology based (like a computer program) not the actual Jor-El from Krypton talking to him like Zod did supposedly to Gertrude.

I'm not nearly as crazy about the whole "Kal" persona as you are. It makes Clark look like some mental patient with multiple personality disorder. Lex, I could see having dual personalities given his upbringing. But Clark? Not likely. I don't think Jor-el has had nearly enough time with Clark to brainwash all of the "good upbringing" the Kents gave him out of him.

I know what you mean. I wasn't crazy about it at first when I saw Crusade. But they have consistently shown that Clark has a side of him where he wants to live completely like a Kryptonian and not hide his powers. The Kal-El side we saw was that portion of his personality brought out to the surface as its own person and devoid of any human tendencies. And Jor-El was able to tap into that portion of Clark, bring it out, and convince it/him to look for & unite the stones above everything else. When you look at the various things done in the comics like Superman Red & Superman Blue, the Kal-El personality isn't too far off.

[MBrittan]

I know what you mean. I wasn't crazy about it at first when I saw Crusade. But they have consistently shown that Clark has a side of him where he wants to live completely like a Kryptonian and not hide his powers. The Kal-El side we saw was that portion of his personality brought out to the surface as its own person and devoid of any human tendencies. And Jor-El was able to tap into that portion of Clark, bring it out, and convince it/him to look for & unite the stones above everything else. When you look at the various things done in the comics like Superman Red & Superman Blue, the Kal-El personality isn't too far off.

I think having "Kal" come out once was fine. But having him resurface time and time again makes Clark look crazy (experiencing inner turmoil). And I do think there is a subtle difference between "Kal" and Clark on red Kryptonite. "Kal" is Clark's Kryptonian persona. Clark on red K is just Clark acting without any inhibitions. I don't think the two are the same.
-M-

[xrayvision]

I think having "Kal" come out once was fine. But having him resurface time and time again makes Clark look crazy (experiencing inner turmoil). And I do think there is a subtle difference between "Kal" and Clark on red Kryptonite. "Kal" is Clark's Kryptonian persona. Clark on red K is just Clark acting without any inhibitions. I don't think the two are the same.
-M-

I don't think so either. That's why I said Kal is like a red-k Clark but devoid of any human tendencies like love/lust, greed, etc. He is Clark's desire of living like a true Kryptonian (without having to hide his abilities) personified, but without the human parts. That's why I think Clark having to fight that side as a seperate entity as his training to become Superman would show Superman is Clark plus that Kryptonian side of him partially kept in check, yet partially allowed to roam free in the Superman persona/costume using his powers and not hiding his identity. Beating a side of him that wouldn't hold back whatsoever would be a monumental step forward in being able to battle with future threats like Darkseid (and the real Doomsday). I know Darkseid is much tougher, but without being able to beat Kal-El, Zod, and all those other adversaries in battle and outsmarting them, he doesn't stand a chance against Darkseid. I wanted them to show how the Clark who got his butt kicked by Zod & Aldar will one day fight & either beat or fend off threats like that who aren't diluted from their original comic book counterparts.

[MBrittan]

I don't think so either. That's why I said Kal is like a red-k Clark but devoid of any human tendencies like love/lust, greed, etc. He is Clark's desire of living like a true Kryptonian (without having to hide his abilities) personified, but without the human parts. That's why I think Clark having to fight that side as a seperate entity as his training to become Superman would show Superman is Clark plus that Kryptonian side of him partially kept in check, yet partially allowed to roam free in the Superman persona/costume using his powers and not hiding his identity. Beating a side of him that wouldn't hold back whatsoever would be a monumental step forward in being able to battle with future threats like Darkseid (and the real Doomsday). I know Darkseid is much tougher, but without being able to beat Kal-El, Zod, and all those other adversaries in battle and outsmarting them, he doesn't stand a chance against Darkseid. I wanted them to show how the Clark who got his butt kicked by Zod & Aldar will one day fight & either beat or fend off threats like that who aren't diluted from their original comic book counterparts.

I don't think "Kal" and "Clark" HAVE to be separate entities. I think they are simply different sides of the same person. We all have our different sides (our professional side, our romantic side, our funny side, our competitive side, etc.). We don't become different people when we shift between those traits. I don't think Clark should either.
-M-

[xrayvision]

The thing is they did introduce black-k which was shown to bring out the recessive personality of Smallville characters. Based on what I have written thus far regarding such a route to develop Clark in my fanfics and what I have planned since the end of season 6, my opinion is that this method would make the show very interesting and would have also provided Lex & Lois with something that would prevent them from knowing Clark is Superman in the future.

I even did an episode where Clark, Kal-El, and the Justice League all took part in, but worked on their own. So this method does allow other plots/stories to take place parallel to it.

[MBrittan]

The thing is they did introduce black-k which was shown to bring out the recessive personality of Smallville characters. Based on what I have written thus far regarding such a route to develop Clark in my fanfics and what I have planned since the end of season 6, my opinion is that this method would make the show very interesting and would have also provided Lex & Lois with something that would prevent them from knowing Clark is Superman in the future.

I even did an episode where Clark, Kal-El, and the Justice League all took part in, but worked on their own. So this method does allow other plots/stories to take place parallel to it.

I'm not really a big fan of black K. Or silver K. Or Blue K. Or even red K for that matter. The green stuff is fine. What's next? Gold K? I'm sure we'll see some of that in season 8.
-M-

[Johnny_Luck]

I'm not really a big fan of black K. Or silver K. Or Blue K. Or even red K for that matter. The green stuff is fine. What's next? Gold K? I'm sure we'll see some of that in season 8.
-M-

Wh yare you not a fan of it, Honestly they used Green to the point it became overused to begin with, silver K, and Red k gave us some really great stuff.

Not to mention Gold and other colors coming along would be awesome IMHO, it lets other non comic readers know that in fact there are more colors than just 1 color of Kryptonite. Theres something like 11 colors and I see no problem using them.

[Dr. Walden]

The introduction of excessive types of kryptonite has made it seem like a really stale plot device. That being said, red k and silver k have worked very well, in most people's opinions. Blue k is a bit more debatable. Personally, its where I said no more, but who knows, maybe if they had used it in a more interesting arc I wouldn't have cared.

[xrayvision]

The only kryptonites I like are red, black, and green. There really is no silver-k so that doesn't count.

[Dr. Walden]

Alright Round 5 results are posted on the first page.

Round 6 will end on August 4 at 5 PM EST

The options are...

Episode 16:
S1-Stray
S2-Fever
S3-Crisis
S4-Lucy
S5-Hypnotic
S6-Promise
S7-Descent

Episode 17:
S1-Reaper
S2-Rosetta
S3-Legacy
S4-Onyx
S5-Void
S6-Combat
S7-Sleeper

Episode 18:
S1-Drone
S2-Visitor
S3-Truth
S4-Spirit
S5-Fragile
S6-Progeny
S7-Apocalypse


My choices are...

Episode 16-Lucy
Episode 17-Sleeper
Episode 18-Fragile

Lucy is probably my least favorite Smallville episode. It happens to beat out Hypnotic, which is bottom 5. I really didn't like Lois Lane, and I could care less about her sister. I just don't know what inspired the showrunners to make this episode. It had no point. One jump can't save this episode from being the worst in my book. All the rest in this spot I actually like quite a bit.

Reaper was boring, Void was forgettable, and Combat was pretty bad, but none of them hold a candle to Sleeper. A Chloe and Jimmy centered episode is set up to fail. I don't necessarily hate the two of them (although Jimmy does annoy me), but they can't carry an episode. The Lex and Clark scenes seemed few and far between, and they weren't all that exciting, at that. I guess Lex finding the cryptograph made me slightly curious, but that's about it. The Clark scenes could have been condensed down and put in another episode entirely.

Episode 18 is a fairly mediocre bunch. I actually enjoy Progeny quite a bit, despite the continuity errors, which I just learned to ignore. Apocalypse and Truth are probably the strongest of the bunch for me, and I like Visitor more every time I watch it. Drone is probably my least favorite Season 1 episode, and Spirit was pretty stupid, despite "The crown's mine, b*tch." However, I chose Fragile, because this episode, like Subterranean, tried too hard to capture the "Ryan magic" and in the end it just didn't seem nearly as heartfelt. In many ways it felt too similar, and therefore it was entirely unoriginal as well. Different FOTW, but same basic storyline. Also, Lexana=vomit, which alone puts this one over the top.

[lana 9]

episode 16 lucy
episode 17 sleeper
episode 18 visitor

[Vergon6]

Episode 16-Hypnotic
Episode 17-Reaper
Episode 18-Drone

[Tacitus]

Episode 16-Lucy
Episode 17-Sleeper
Episode 18-Visitor

[MBrittan]

The introduction of excessive types of kryptonite has made it seem like a really stale plot device.

Exactly
-M-

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

Episode 16: Hypnotic - by the time this episode rolled around, the whole "control over other people" thing had really been played out. Isn't Simone just a female Mikhail?
Episode 17: Sleeper - a very forgettable episode. It didn't add very much (if anything) to the major story arcs of season. Kind of a waste actually.
Episode 18: Drone - When you think about it, this was just silly, even for Smallville. Killer Bee Girl? After we'd already seen Bug Boy? Season 1 really had some weak episodes. This show didn't going until season 2.
-M-

[Vergon6]

Exactly
-M-

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

Episode 16: Hypnotic - by the time this episode rolled around, the whole "control over other people" thing had really been played out. Isn't Simone just a female Mikhail?
Episode 17: Sleeper - a very forgettable episode. It didn't add very much (if anything) to the major story arcs of season. Kind of a waste actually.
Episode 18: Drone - When you think about it, this was just silly, even for Smallville. Killer Bee Girl? After we'd already seen Bug Boy? Season 1 really had some weak episodes. This show didn't going until season 2.
-M-
You are right. My first instinct was to go with "Drone" and I should have. It was really silly. "Visitor" wasn't that great but in retrospect it was better than "Drone". The first several episodes of Smallville were quite uneven. There was some okay episodes in there, and some really stinkers as well.

I know "Sleeper" was a silly episode in its own right, but I found it somewhat entertaining by not taking it too seriously. Plus, I wouldn't feel right voting against it given that I have used Agent Webber in the two fanfics I completed (as the lead DDS trying to get information from Chloe while she is trapped in a DDS facility after being arrested in "Arctic").

[MBrittan]

"Visitor" wasn't that great but in retrospect it was better than "Drone".

I didn't care for the pace of Visitor (I thought it was kind of slow-moving) but I thought the character of Cyrus was interesting, especially how he thought he was the alien.
-M-

[Vergon6]

I didn't care for the pace of Visitor (I thought it was kind of slow-moving) but I thought the character of Cyrus was interesting, especially how he thought he was the alien.
-M-
Yeah it was interesting up to a point, and Clark trying to grapple with the fact that he might not actually be alone. But it was a bit of a let down when turned out Cyrus actually just triggered the fire in shop class.

[Dr. Walden]

I also liked how various reactions were given to the prospect of Cyrus being an alien. Chloe finding it "cool," Lana saying she would have been freaked out. It was a good vehicle through which to reveal those characters thoughts on the matter, and to show some of the motivations for Clark keeping his secret, even from those closest to him. Its little things like this that I glean from repeat viewings. Thats what makes Visitor light years better than Drone and Fragile in my mind.

I will use Drone, my least favorite Season 1 episode, to tell why I haven't chosen a Season 1 episode in this game. Bad FOTW. Already basically used in the same season, as Mark said. Poor high school plot with the election. Clark learns that popularity isn't everything. How cliche. Clark is motivated by trying to impress Lana. Ditto. However...

Clark talks to Lex. Possibly more than any other previous episode, we begin to see Lex's blind ambition:

Clark: You ran for student office?
Lex: Once. But my aspirations weren't very noble.
Clark: Did you win?
Lex: Of course.

Also, Lex/Lana interactions were great. I LOVED this relationship, until it became romantic. Telling Lana to "take it to the mattresses." Just early seeds of Lex trying to make Lana mature on her own, or, depending on how you look at it, corrupting her.

These Season 1 interactions served as the basis for the relationships over the next 6 seasons. So Drone automatically wins over Fragile, which really contributed nothing besides a mediocre plot and a romantic development.

[MBrittan]

I also liked how various reactions were given to the prospect of Cyrus being an alien. Chloe finding it "cool," Lana saying she would have been freaked out. It was a good vehicle through which to reveal those characters thoughts on the matter, and to show some of the motivations for Clark keeping his secret, even from those closest to him.

Great point.

----- Added 49 Seconds later -----

Also, Lex/Lana interactions were great. I LOVED this relationship, until it became romantic. Telling Lana to "take it to the mattresses." Just early seeds of Lex trying to make Lana mature on her own, or, depending on how you look at it, corrupting her.

I definately look at that as "corrupting her" ;)

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

So Drone automatically wins over Fragile, which really contributed nothing besides a mediocre plot and a romantic development.

Fragile takes a beating on these boards but I really liked that episode. I guess because I liked the Maddie character. She was someone you could sympathize with and I thought Clark's compassion where she's concerned was very much in Superman's character. He was very Supermanly without using his powers that much. Maybe too because I work in a school and I see sooo many sad cases of kids coming from broken homes like she did. I was really rooting for her in that episode. She and Ryan would have been good to put together in an episode, had he survived.
-M-

[SparkleforSmallville]

Episode 16 ~ Lucy
Episode 17 ~ Sleeper
Episode 18 ~ Drone

[Johnny_Luck]

S4-Lucy

Easily, easily the worst episode of smallville, after Velocity, and i sad cause i like to say Hypnotic is one of the worst episodes ever as well along with Aqua and Mercy, it was the worst of S5.

S6-Combat

Yeah Birds of Prey and Angel did this ten times better. Only good thing about the episode is they somehow managed to make Ashley look hot.


S3-Truth

Sadly this is the worst episode on this list, bottom 10 of smallville eps easily, but it never get voted for worst, oh well.

[BadToad]

Episode 16: Promise

Episode 17: Sleeper

Episode 18: Visitor

[MrsK]

Episode 16-Hypnotic
Episode 17-Sleeper
Episode 18-Drone

Hypnotic is one of my last favorite episodes for the way they chose to end Clana - which was well past needing to end at that point. I really didn't like Simone. Lex breaking them had some potential if either one had ever found out about it, but they never did... Plus it had what has to be THE DUMBEST line ever uttered on Smallville - "Clark, you've been hypnotized! How else could you have thrown me across the room like that?" Lucy would probably be my next choice, but I liked seeing another side of Lois; the Clark/Lois relationship developed some in that episode, which puts it ahead of Hypnotic in my book.

Sleeper - Do I really have to explain this choice? I have a feeling it might be almost unanimous! I don't watch this show for Jimmy.

Drone - I didn't hate any of these, but I liked Drone least. Sasha wasn't a very good villain, but there were several super saves and some good interaction between the main characters.

[quietone]

Episode 16 - Promise
Episode 17 - Sleeper
Episode 18 - Visitor

[lana 9]

i am only one to like drone

[Vergon6]

"Drone" was better than some of the early season 1 episodes, but when it came down to it, it was my least favorite out of the episode number upon further reflection. There were good elements to it though.

[borednow]

Episode 16:
S6-Promise

Episode 17:
S7-Sleeper

Episode 18:
S6-Progeny

[skully]

Episode 16 - Lucy
Episode 17 - Reaper
Episode 18 - Visitor

[Twitch]

Episode 16- Hypnotic
Episode 17- Sleeper
Episode 18- Drone

[Québec]

Episode 16: Hypnotic
Episode 17: Sleeper
Episode 18: Drone

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Episode 16 :Hypnotic~ only thing good was the clana break up :), even if it was temporary:(

Episode 17: Sleeper ~ nuff said

Episode 18:Fragile ~ Not bad, just bottom of the list , no offense to TW though, he is a great director

[xrayvision]

Episode 16: Lucy
Episode 17: Sleeper
Episode 18: Fragile

Episode 16: I had to choose Lucy because I just couldn't care less about the Lane family problems. The only thing I liked in this was Clark's super jump on the truck. The rest of the episode was crap. However Promise and Descent were very close seconds. I hated Promise because it was basically Reckoning part 2 and was successful in its attempt to emasculate Clark and show him as a total idiot. I had very high expectations in the episode where Lex would eventually Lex kill Lionel and Descent failed in every way to meet those expectations. They ruined a moment I waited 6-7 years for just to promote the Veritas storyline, which was horribly done. I expected classical music and I expected the reason behind the death to be a culmination of the things we saw happen between Lex & Lionel over the years. Descent was watchable, but very disappointing after none of my expectations were met. And this will forever leave a "bad taste" when watching this episode. I didn't feel Lex as being any worse after killing Lionel than he was before he killed him (like when he had Patricia killed). There was pretty much no difference between Lionel's death & Patricia's except that Lex did it himself. The motive was the same, and that's just wrong. For those who don't believe me, ask yourself--if Lionel was not the one who had the other key, would Lex have entered the office & killed him at that moment? Hell no, because nothing changed between them other than the fact that Lex learned he had the key.

Episode 17: I enjoyed every episode 17 except for Sleeper. Sleeper was just pure garbage. Another waste of an episode that should have focused on Lex and the things between him & Clark given Michael Rosenbaum's upcoming departure in only 3 episodes. I could care less about any of the stuff that happened in this episode.

Episode 18: I had to choose Fragile because it just sucked. It was a rip-off of Stray but with a kid that had glass breaking powers. I couldn't stand the Lexana stuff that was starting at that time either. It was a waste of an episode that could have featured Brainiac. Drone and Progeny were very close seconds. I saw Drone when it first aired and it just delayed my interest in the show. I didn't care about the bee-controlling powers or the election that much and frowned at the substitution of "other stuff" for "the American Way" when Clark gave "I stand for truth, justice, and... other stuff" as his answer to Chloe's question of what he stood for. Progeny had more conflicting stuff with Chloe's mother and officially established that she's a freak. By this time, I was well beyond my tolerance of Chloe's buildup at Clark's expense and the making of Clark as almost a guest character. I enjoyed her break & entry role in Truth, but this is far from that. It was very out of place in a season that was wrapping up and should have had another appearance by the phantom before the finale.

[Xanderman]

16. Lucy (S4)

Lucy sits right there next to #14-Krypto as the two worst episodes of Season 4. My next least favorite #16 is S1's Stray, which I find to be quite overrated. Next weakest would be S3's Crisis but that was an ok ep. The rest of the 16's are all great eps for me (I loved S5's Hypnotic, I'm surprised at all the votes it's getting--and I can't believe I see multiple votes for Promise either, lol...).

17. Combat (S6)

Awful episode, one of Smallville's very worst. The concept has been handled much better elsewhere, as Johnny_Luck pointed out above. S7's Sleeper is also a bad ep for the most part, but not as bad as Combat. The rest of the 17's rate ok or better for me.

18. Truth (S3)

Lots of bad episodes in this pile, I've got a 3-way tie for worst--between S3's Truth, S5's Fragile and S6's Progeny. S2's Visitor wasn't the greatest either. Anyway I went with Truth because of how overrated I think it is (much like the season it comes from).

[MBrittan]

i am only one to like drone

Yes
lol
;)
-M-

[Dr. Walden]

[b]Anyway I went with Truth because of how overrated I think it is (much like the season it comes from).

Out of curiosity, what seasons do you prefer? Later maybe, like 5/6/7? Just wondering because Seasons 2/3 being the best is a fairly popular opinion (one I agree with) and ratings were highest at that time. Just wondering what you prefer.

[Atomic girl]

Episode 16:
Season 4 - Lucy

Episode 17:
Season 7 - Sleeper

Episode 18:
Season 1 - Drone

[CallMeClark]

Episode 16 -Hypnotic

Episode 17 - Sleeper

Episode 18 - Fragile

[Xanderman]

Out of curiosity, what seasons do you prefer? Later maybe, like 5/6/7? Just wondering because Seasons 2/3 being the best is a fairly popular opinion (one I agree with) and ratings were highest at that time. Just wondering what you prefer.I need to see 7 again when it comes out before I can make a final judgment on that one, but I thought it was good when it aired. For the first 6, my order goes sort of like this: 2, 6, 4, 5, 1, 3. I thought 3 was the weakest season, having the lowest overall count of good-to-great eps for me (the second half in particular was very weak). My favorite and least favorite seasons are right next to each other (2 and 3) so it's not really an "early Smallville" vs "later Smallville" type thing for me. I judge each season for what its worth. (I notice some people for example say they loved up to S3 or whatever, and basically write off Smallville from that point on, no matter what it does. I'm not like that.)

[Dr. Walden]

Interesting. I thought the second half of Season 3 was much weaker, but I found the first half to be so strong (Exile through Delete, excluding Magnetic). The second half was much weaker, but did have Memoria and Covenant, both of which I found incredibly strong, and a few other episodes I liked.

I'd maybe put Season 2 above it though, FWIW.

[Xanderman]

I didn't find Covenant strong, for reasons I talked about here:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3915672&postcount=1620

The two genuinely good S3 eps in the 2nd half for me were Legacy and Memoria, the rest were forgettable. (And I'm one of the few people that wouldn't exclude Magnetic by the way, I liked it, heh. If I were to exclude any eps from the first half, they'd be Relic and Whisper. But I thought they were still ok episodes.)

[Dr. Walden]

Bump for last minute votes.

[Lex Dance]

Episode 16 - Lucy
Episode 17 - Reaper
Episode 18 - Drone

Those poor S1 episodes again! I've yet to see Sleeper so that may change my view of the episode 17 slot for next year. Reaper and Drone get it in the neck because I don't remember too much about them. I surprised by the number of votes Visitor and Combat are getting. I enjoyed both of them enough to raise them above mediocre status. Lucy's not a great episode and was easy to rank last after all the others in that slot.