Doctor Who #4x13 "Journey's End"

[jimmyolsenblues]

Doctor Who – Journey's End – Ep 13/13
Saturday 5 July
7.00-7.45pm BBC ONE
www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho

The Daleks activate their masterplan as the series reaches a thrilling conclusion

The entire universe is in danger as the Daleks activate their masterplan, in the concluding episode of Russell T Davies's Bafta Award-winning time-travelling drama. The Doctor is helpless, and even the Tardis faces destruction. The only hope lies with the Doctor's secret army of companions – but as they join forces to battle Davros himself, the prophecy declares that one of them will die.

David Tennant plays the Doctor and Catherine Tate plays his companion, Donna Noble.

Source: BBC Press Office (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/)

[Lexgirl33]

my guess is that Rose will die

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

My guess is that Donna will die.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Youtube trailers for "Journey's End". I don't know if they are real or made up, but i like them and i am very excited for July 5!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv8ZP8UHfag&feature=related' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv8ZP8UHfag&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8l0SLQu6E&feature=related

[anon-knee-mouse]

my "guess" is that elizabeth sladen character will die,realistically there isn't much more her character can do, and as david tennant and catherine tate have signed up for more dr.who's (allegedly) i also think that that leaves rose being killed,...............how will they explain the dr. not transforming into a new dr. will be very interesting, as we saw him at the end there.................and NO MENTION of a new dr. being signed up...........

.............i would of loved captain jack becoming the next dr. as his character cannot be killed..............(else i would have suggested his character as being "killed off"..........)..........

[Lexgirl33]

Read spoilers on the complete epsiode, sounds awesome! :D

Capt. Jack is the Face of Boe, anon-knee-mouse ;) But his sort of like his own doctor on Torchwood you know?


http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/

another trailer

[Randy G.]

my "guess" is that elizabeth sladen character will die,realistically there isn't much more her character can do....

Well, it won't be her I'm afraid. Season (series)2 of her show "The Sarah Jane Adventures" has been confirmed by the BBC, and is filming as we speak.

Also Russel T. Davies confirmed an order for a 3rd season. ;)

[SuperShazam!!]

I didnt think it would be sarah jane, it wud be kind of tight to let her kid become an orphan, i mean who's gonna look after him? that computer? pfft!

All this talk that Donna is a fobwatched time lord, she keeps saying im just a temp, latin for time. So maybe if Donna becomes Romana(this is where i get confused, im not sure who or what romana is/when happened etc) or a time lord, then in theory "Donna Noble" will die for her timelord personality to comeback.

Just like how the doctor was "john smith" and the master "prof yana"

[anon-knee-mouse]

...........actually we are all wrong.................
.......martha is going to die............

[jimmyolsenblues]

I have no idea if the following is true, I found it online and hope you enjoy reading it....................


Doctor Who:

So what exactly happened at the end of Saturday's episode of time-travel soap Doctor Who, when the dying Doctor started to regenerate? Nobody knows, but there are a few theories:

1) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, with his severed hand involved somehow, and as a result he turns into two different Doctors, both played by David Tennant. (We showed some pics of Tennant wearing two different colored suits on the beach where he said goodbye to Rose in season two.)
2) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, which splits him into two Doctors, one played by David Tennant (thanks to the severed hand?) and the other played by David Morrissey (who's in the Christmas special later this year playing a character referred to as "the other Doctor" on the actors' trailers.)
3) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, which splits him into two Doctors — one of whom is actually Donna. (Not sure where this one comes from, actually.)
4) The Doctor "rolls back" his regenerations for a bit, and turns into Sylvester McCoy, the Doctor from the late 1980s. (The main evidence for this is that Syl was interviewed for Doctor Who Confidential, and was wearing a version of his old costume on camera.)
5) The Doctor's regenerations are tied to the Master's now, so he somehow turns into John Simm. (This has apparently been debunked. Simm won't be back this week, but the Master will show up sometime in 2009.)
6) Something different will happen.
All we do know for sure is that Tennant was filming the Christmas special a while back, so he's definitely not being gotten rid of — unless that was the most elaborate foiler ever.


We do know that Sarah-Jane Smith won't die, because Elisabeth Sladen says she's in the middle of filming a second season of Sarah-Jane Adventures already.

And here's a trailer for Saturday's episode, which reveals almost nothing, except that Davros wants to reduce the universe to atoms, which will become nothing. "The destruction of reality itself!" (What if Davros actually succeeds, and then reality reforms itself, because of nature abhorring a vacuum?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxWRZKHI6s

[Pesk]

In the stolen earth, donna heard the drums. I'm guessing she's romana, or the rani. Or some other time lord.

Actually I'm hoping she's not romana, I don't want a romana played by catherine tate. And I was hoping lucy saxon would be revealed to be the rani.

[Lexgirl33]

I have no idea if the following is true, I found it online and hope you enjoy reading it....................


Doctor Who:

So what exactly happened at the end of Saturday's episode of time-travel soap Doctor Who, when the dying Doctor started to regenerate? Nobody knows, but there are a few theories:

1) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, with his severed hand involved somehow, and as a result he turns into two different Doctors, both played by David Tennant. (We showed some pics of Tennant wearing two different colored suits on the beach where he said goodbye to Rose in season two.)
2) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, which splits him into two Doctors, one played by David Tennant (thanks to the severed hand?) and the other played by David Morrissey (who's in the Christmas special later this year playing a character referred to as "the other Doctor" on the actors' trailers.)
3) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, which splits him into two Doctors — one of whom is actually Donna. (Not sure where this one comes from, actually.)
4) The Doctor "rolls back" his regenerations for a bit, and turns into Sylvester McCoy, the Doctor from the late 1980s. (The main evidence for this is that Syl was interviewed for Doctor Who Confidential, and was wearing a version of his old costume on camera.)
5) The Doctor's regenerations are tied to the Master's now, so he somehow turns into John Simm. (This has apparently been debunked. Simm won't be back this week, but the Master will show up sometime in 2009.)
6) Something different will happen.
All we do know for sure is that Tennant was filming the Christmas special a while back, so he's definitely not being gotten rid of — unless that was the most elaborate foiler ever.




I read about #1 on another site.

[TMLS]

In the stolen earth, donna heard the drums.

It wasn't the drums, it's been confirmed (sorry, can't find the link) that it was a double heartbeat.

----- Added 9 Minutes later -----

1) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, with his severed hand involved somehow

The rumour is that the hand itself regenerates at the same time 10 does.

2) The Doctor has a failed regeneration, which splits him into two Doctors, one played by David Tennant (thanks to the severed hand?) and the other played by David Morrissey (who's in the Christmas special later this year playing a character referred to as "the other Doctor" on the actors' trailers.)

It's hoped that Morrisey's Doctor is a similar character to one in "The One Doctor", a fantastic Big Finish audio where a flim-flam man pretends to be The Doctor, going to planets and "saving" them from alien attacks (that are fake - he set them up) so that the planets thank him financially. Incidentally, in the audio play The Other Doctor was played by Christopher Biggins - who was fantastic up against THE Colin Baker, but thankfully Morrissey is a slightly cooler proposition.

4) The Doctor "rolls back" his regenerations for a bit, and turns into Sylvester McCoy, the Doctor from the late 1980s. (The main evidence for this is that Syl was interviewed for Doctor Who Confidential, and was wearing a version of his old costume on camera.)

I did notice he was wearing a Doctor-ish hat, but didn't think it was part of his costume and just part of a strange look for him. Interesting theory I hadn't heard.

We do know that Sarah-Jane Smith won't die, because Elisabeth Sladen says she's in the middle of filming a second season of Sarah-Jane Adventures already.

Also, SJS is in the clip from Journey's end that was on Blue Peter last week. Apparently Mickey and Jackie save her

And here's a trailer for Saturday's episode, which reveals almost nothing, except that Davros wants to reduce the universe to atoms, which will become nothing. "The destruction of reality itself!" (What if Davros actually succeeds, and then reality reforms itself, because of nature abhorring a vacuum?)

Destroying everything is actually a Davros ambition, brought about by a remark from DoctorFour (Tom) where he asked him if he had a vial of a disease that could kil everything, would he use it? Davros said he would, just so he could hold such an ultimate power.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

couple of trailer vids up now

[Randy G.]

Ah... I'm afraid Donna dies.

Catherine is making her rounds at the conventions. I may be wrong, but from what I've come to understand, for alot of sci-fi shows that usually happens when an actor has left the show. Not in all cases though.

Who knows, I'm bored & just babbling on.
It's a nice day, & I should really be outside. (*sigh) :\

[SuperShazam!!]

Yeh shes on the graham norton show now, talking about the show. She nearly gave something away by accident, but didnt! oh well not long till saturday!! :D

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

lol at her screaming when she found out that the sontarans actually had actors inside them

[jimmyolsenblues]

some great pictures about the finale , warning spoilers.

http://planetgallifrey.blogspot.com/

[Randy G.]

Oh, we're getting so close..... I'm so psyched! http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3003/1syellow1wb2.gif

[anon-knee-mouse]

.........the bbc filmed several alternate endings for finale,...........but info i have is this........

1 donna's mum dies (daleks) dr. gives donna something to erase all memory of him,and she goes back to live with her grandad.(several clips of this have turned up on you tube)
hence pics. of him wandering about in rain looking upset,another companion gone.........

2 martha dies(already posted this)

3 dr. returns rose to her world/reality (again clips of this have been posted on you tube)

4 the dr.'s hand in jar.............captain jack uses it to keep the dr as the same dr.(david tennant) as he' s regenerating thus keeping tennant in the role.........(allegedly very creative use!!!................)

5 kylie is going to appear as the dr.'s companion for series 5 (not sure if she will appear in finale or 1st episode of new series) OR

6 as the xmas special has already been filmed(cybermen return victorian england) and donna does not appear to be in it,kylie's character could be returning in this.........

.............i'm not going to divulge my sources.............but needless to say ............you saw it here 1st. ..........................;)

[Randy G.]

Only 1 hour to go!

[Enrolf]

Loved it,

Pretty sure we'll be seeing Martha and Mickey in Torchwood next series

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I feel sorry for DoctorDonna, she will never remember her time with the Doctor. Glad about Rose and Doctor v2 though, that was cool.

Jack was the same as ever, so was Martha and good to see Micky again.

[charley farley]

Great episode, loved the bit between the Doctor and Wilf at the end, Doctor v2 was brutal with the Daleks but they deserved it.

Can't wait 'til Christmas.

[Pesk]

I loved sarah jane being reunited with davros. She was there when he first created the daleks, and now she was there when he died. But I'm sure they'll find a way to bring him back again.

So what did happen to the bees anyway?

[Randy G.]

OMFG! This finale had me on the edge of my seat, & took me through a range of emotions. :eek:

I laughed, I yelled obscenities at the screen, I snarfed down too much junk food, I got misty-eyed, and I cheered. I can't wait to watch it again. :p

This was a most excellent way to tie-up all of the storylines.
You had your fairytale ending, AND your bittersweet ending.
Perfect. I loved it! http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1939/thumbsup8jm.gif

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

So what did happen to the bees anyway?

Well, only the ones that were disappearing, were aliens. :)

They were on a quest back to their home planet of Melissa Majoria.

[Lexgirl33]

AHHHH it was brilliant! :D


Jack, come on seriously, hes just hilarious. "You have no idea what I am thinking" LOL

Jackie, LOL Loved when the Doctor told her not to touch anything and just stand there

Mickey...aww hes back in the real universe and going to Torchwood! :D

Martha- Shes just one crazy chick that can kick some ass

Rose- Okay shes got her Doctor, that was just so cute. Bad Wold Bay is an excellent name. Glad she doesnt have Doctor #1 though, nothing compares to him even if hes got a clone.

And the 2nd Doctor...How hot was he?!? His hair seemed extra sexy in that blue suit.

I dont really know a lot about SJS so I am lost for words on her, shes cool though.

Gwen and Ianto- Oh Torchwood, they are funny. Ianto always makes me laugh no matter what. AND Gwen..yeah from whatever episode that was back in series 2...that was her relative LOL so funny they added that little bit.

Doctor Donna was great, though sad she had to have her memory wiped :(

And now the doctor is on his own now. Wonder whos going to be the next companion?

[timelord45719]

Outstanding final.
Now i know why Doctor Who is the greatest sci fi series of all time.!

[KryptonSite]

I liked most of the finale, though I wish the "Donna is Romana" speculation had been true.

I also was kind of not too fond of the whole "Rose gets her own Doctor" thing... mostly because I'm not a 'shipper, and I thought that scene just reeked of pandering to that part of the fandom. Actually, Rose was the least interesting character in the whole episode.

I LOVE Sarah Jane Smith. Love, love, love her. Can she be the Doctor's next companion? Either her or Donna's grandfather?

The "bees disappearing" is actually something that's happening now in the real world, coincidentally.

One thing I will give Doctor Who is, kind of like how my opinion changed on Mickey a few years ago, they managed to make me like Donna Noble in the course of the season. I was SO worried when they cast her as the companion, because I hated "The Runaway Bride" for the most part. At the same time, the conclusion to Donna's story makes me a little sad because she really was a great character and I'm already wanting her back. She grew so much in the course of one season, and it's sad to think that's all regressed back.

Also... yeah, Mickey and Martha have to go to Torchwood. And is it me or have Ianto and Gwen both gained weight?

[PaulNeb]

Won't quote Lexgirl33's spoiler, but let's not forget that The Doctor, in his future, (which would logically be after this episode) still has to spend a pretty good amount of time with River Song. Could we be seeing some more of Alex Kingston in Series 5?

[Pesk]

I'm hoping the next companion will be jenny. After the way she left in the doctors daughter, you just know she'll be back. And you can be guaranteed of no shipping this time.

[ThetaSigma]

5 years ago, i heard the 40th anniversary story Zagreus. That brought in all the actors who played the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Doctors and all their companions for this BIG anniversary story on audio. When I heard it i was...dissapointed, to say the very, VERY least. Zagreus was something that was revealed to be one of the biggest anti-climaxes in the show's history! So i was gonna brace myself for the dissapointment that would be Journey's End, i mean come on: so many companions involved? Davros and LOADS of daleks? come on, it couldn't POSSIBLY live to expectations, it's an unwritten law that these things NEVER do!

It didn't. It exceeded them. Seriously, i have never watched such an emotional, thrilling and genuinely BRILLIANT episode in my 12 years as a fan! Rose was given a nice resolution, but that was totally eclipsed by what happened to Donna. For a time, she grew out of her shell, out of her belief that she wasn't anything special, and all thanks to the doctor. And then she lost EVERYTHING, and she didn't have a clue of what she lost. I was expecting something really, really bad to happen to her the moment she said "I'm gonna travel with that man forever" in The Doctor's Daughter, but i didn't expect THAT. Should've done, really: i've seen the War Games after all!

Like i said, a brilliant episode, and a great way to resolve almost everything that had happened over the past 4 years whilst being a great piece of drama in its own right. What a great finale to show in the programme's 45th anniversary year!

[Lexgirl33]

Won't quote Lexgirl33's spoiler, but let's not forget that The Doctor, in his future, (which would logically be after this episode) still has to spend a pretty good amount of time with River Song. Could we be seeing some more of Alex Kingston in Series 5?

Ah yeah, I totally forgot about that.

[newbaggy]

Brilliant episode, but i'm surprised that people haven't mentioned what, for me, were two of the finest moments:

The Doctor having to face the fact that he has turned ordinary people - his friends - into soldiers prepared to kill on his (and humanity's) behalf.

Daleks flying through a German forest at night, giving orders in German! Utterly surreal; utterly wonderful!

[Randy G.]

Just watched it again..... I'm speechless.

Now I've gotta' go before I end up watching it a 3rd time.

There's something in my eye. :(

[Lexgirl33]

Brilliant episode, but i'm surprised that people haven't mentioned what, for me, were two of the finest moments:



Daleks flying through a German forest at night, giving orders in German! Utterly surreal; utterly wonderful!

Oh yeah, that was great :lol:

[PaulNeb]

I am SO looking forward to seeing this episode.

[Leia27]

I didn't think it quite lived up to the expectation levels that I was hoping for to be honest. It's left things wide open in terms of Rose, and whilst the Donna bit was hard to take considering how much Catherine Tate has won over the fans, I'm sure they'll find someone else to replace her. I would have liked Wilf to have taken on the role of assistant, or for at least the Christmas episode, however, I do think it's time for the Doctor to find himself a male companion, and thankfully with RTD leaving the show, we'll get a far better quality in the future...

I'm not saying the episode was bad here though, I'd happily give it an 7.5 out of 10, but it could have been a 10 easily, in fact from last week it should have been a 10.

[SuperShazam!!]

I wasnt happy with the end to be honest. Like Craig, i felt that the only reason rose got her own doctor was to please the doctor-rose fans.

Basically I loved this episode, it was so great. But what they did to Donna I can never forgive Russel T Davis. I grew to love her character, and what happend to Donna was just cruel

[jimmyolsenblues]

finally i got to see it, i loved it , i can't believe rose is with the other mortal doctor and donna is wiped. dude that was killer.
Father's days season 1 is still my all time favorite this was a close second.

[anon-knee-mouse]

Won't quote Lexgirl33's spoiler, but let's not forget that The Doctor, in his future, (which would logically be after this episode) still has to spend a pretty good amount of time with River Song. Could we be seeing some more of Alex Kingston in Series 5?
.............talks for a poss. special next year/xmas............

[jimmyolsenblues]

i am really sad the season is over :( and i am sad our doctor did not tell rose he loved her.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Bizarro Doctor. :lol:

[ginnyfan]

I was a little disappointed.

The Daleks and the Davros guy were boring to me in general. There were moments of magnificence but generally the monologuing etc. was just boring. Davros was too much like the emperor from Star Wars. I did like the twist of the crazy laughing Dalek rooting for Donna/Doctor the whole time.

The ending felt a little too deus ex Donna/Doctor. I don't watch Sarah Jane, I haven't watched the older Doctor Who versions... I don't watch Torchwood so all those people running around didn't pay off for me as hugely as it would for others I suppose. But the "Doctor's children" did have fantastic moments.

I thought creating a Doctor for Rose was a cop out and no way would she settle for that. Since when did Rose want the Doctor to be human and age like her? So if they did that for Doctor/Rose fans they failed. It was a cop out.

Pulling the earth home gave me goosebumps it was so wonderful. Sarah Jane's got great hair. I loved Martha's march into that Nuclear destruction thing and Rose's running commentary while everyone was giving the Daleks ultimatums. I would have preferred a proper goodbye between Donna and the Doctor like at the end of the wedding episode but... whatever. The grandfather's promise to the doctor that he would look up and think of him made me cry. That grandpa had me leaking the whole season.

This is still one of my favorite seasons. The ending didn't live up to "Turn Left" IMO. Nor did it live up to Alex Kingston's character from the library two parter.

I'm kind of unsatisfied and not very enthusiastic about next series. But I'll probably watch it anyway.

[Jeri1250]

Ginnyfan,

I think it's only right that Rose wind up with the Doctor, even if he isn't the Doctor. She was being consigned to that alternate universe, Half Wolf Bay, forever when the opening closed. Being stuck there with her mother would be a fate worse than death. At least she had the Doctor, now human, to live out her life. And I think given the chance she would prefer a human doctor to the near immortal Gallifreyan.So I don't think it was a cop-out. Rose was entitled to some reward if she couldn't be with the Doctor.

You'll have to explain "deus ex Donna/Doctor", I don't quite understand what you mean. Now I don't know what the heartbeat she kept hearing had to do with the Doctor's severed hand but Doctor v1 didn't know why she kept spacing out and didn't know what happened on the TARDIS until the transference happened. Plus, what with Davros getting the drop on all of the heroes there had to be some way for "the Doctor" to defeat the creature. It is unfortunate that Donna couldn't keep the powers, but doing so would kill her.

I'm not a big fan of the 20th century Doctor Whos. Back in the beginning they had a tendency to make 2 to 7 part episodes. Between the very Britishness of the show, the production values, and sometimes the acting, I just couldn't handle them. But I've become a fan of the 21th century version, especially David Tennant. I've even come to like Rose Tyler.

[ginnyfan]

Thanks for that gracious post Jeri1250.

I don't know anything about the older versions of Dr. Who. I've never watched Sarah Jane's show or Torchwood. I'm hoping that has something to do with how lackluster the two part finale was. The more I think about it the more dissatisfied I am. I guess I just felt that out of nowhere Donna downloads the Dr.'s brain and saves the day with ease. It's like a Deus ex Machina in that suddenly some god drops from the sky and everything's all better. *shrug* They just didn't earn it somehow. It's surprising because usually it feels that an episode of Dr. Who builds to the doctor finally working everything out. This just felt contrived to me. Also it undermines everything that charmed me about Donna/Doctor. She's NOT intellectual. She's normal and human and that's what's so special about her. Making her a part time lord... it's like they don't even understand what was so great about her character.

Rose Tyler. I loved her and her romance with the Doctor. Again, I'd rather her kiss the real doctor goodbye than settle for some false Doctor. The Doctor says that other doctor is him but they didn't seem the same to me. I guess that other doctor was supposed to me more like nine... I would have rather the real doctor say goodbye and that he loves rose and have one last really good snog between the REAL doctor and rose. Then she could go off with that other doctor but not romantically. IMO they have to meet each other and fall in love with each other and have their own story. It's like when Nine regenerated. She didn't just snog him right away. She had to get to know him a little.

Maybe... if they'd done more with the whisper. There was a lot of whispering this season. Maybe I'll find a good fanfic that makes that whispered word something so cool that I'll do a 180. As it is... I feel that "Turn Left" was my season finale and... maybe I'll find a good fanfic to wrap up series four for me. :p

Sorry for the rant. "Turn Left" and the Library episodes got me really hyped up for the finale and... it just didn't measure up to the set up IMO. But I'm glad you and so many others really enjoyed it. I enjoyed aspects of it too... but I believed the world was ending a lot more in "Turn Left" than I ever did in "Journey's End." There just wasn't enough story for all the characters running around.

ETA: I gave it a 4 by the way. So for all my ranting... I still thought it was a pretty good episode.

[STFanatic]

I thought it was awesome, I was really losing interest with all the confusion over the last few episodes, but they sowed it all together like a surgeon.

I don't want to see Donna go :(

[Randy G.]

I know. I was sooo sad to see her go. :(
She came into the series as a total annoyance, yet ended up being quite possibly my favorite companion.

[PaulNeb]

The episode aired in the US two nights ago, so I'll assume it's safe to post without spoiler tags at this point. That being said...

Magnificent episode. It actually seemed longer than the 90 minutes of air time. In fact, it seemed to be longer than the 8th Doctor's TV movie. Not without some flaws, but over all, a very solid finale, especially since the show will only have limited production in 2009.

Some coments on the plot elements:

Rose and the two Doctors - Firstly, you have to do something with him. Can't have two copies of the Doctor running around, can we? Given the fact that 2.0 "pulled the trigger" on the Daleks this time justified (in 1.0's mind) his essentially banishing him from our universe. If not for that, I doubt that 1.0 would have sent Rose back to the other universe. His feelings for her were still there and still very strong, but his sense of duty compelled him to take action against 2.0. In fact, I think his leaving Rose was more for 2.0's benefit than for Rose's. She wasn't totally happy with 1.0 leaving. As for the whisper, I think he told her his name rather than expressing his feelings. Whatever actually was said, it did get Rose to melt into his arms.

Donna's fate - She was a pawn in a cosmic game of Chess. She didn't ask for it, but Dalek Kahn (sp?) manipulated her life to put her in the right place at the right time to stop Davros. Every time-sensitive being seemed to be aware of her ultimate fate except for the Doctor. Gramps actually did seem to touch the Doctor's spirit when they were saying goodbye. Sad way to end her run on the show.

Davros and the Doctor - Such a wonderfully written interaction! To have your worst enemy hold up your life and show you your feet of clay. True to himself though, the Doctor tried to save Davros again, only to have to watch him perish by choice. Remined me a little of the Master's decision, although Davros was a lot more dramatic in his exit. "Destroyer of Worlds" indeed.

The final scene - I did some reading and I'm pretty sure that was only the second or third time in the entire run of Doctor Who that he's gone off without a companion. I don't think the 8th Doctor took Grace or anyone else with him at the end of the movie. I doubt he'll be alone for long.

[Welling_is_pretty]

Ok, so I finally, finally saw this!

It was really good but I actually thought "The Stolen Earth" was better.

BTW, did no one think that the Companion who actually did die was Jack? I mean, he DID die, he just, you know, came back to life. It did techincally fulfill the prophecy.....

[borednow]

Terrible... just gahhh! I enjoyed watching it... I did, but the more I look at it as a whole the more crap I think it is.

All those characters... and in the end not a one did anything. Nothing! There was no point to haveing any of them there after they got the phone call out. That was it, in this episode they were all pointless. And all that wonderful the Dalek actually are powerful and scary and possibly a match for timelords was ruined totally when Donna started making them spin around like tops... lame... lame... lame...

The biggest problem is at the end... I didn't feel a lick sorry for the doctor. Alone sad in the rain, I shrugged and said "It's your own fault." This all could have been fixed say by having the doctor look at Rose on the beach and say "If I had just one life, I'd want to live it with you, can you please give me that, the knowledge that I will?" Or something... really anything to show how much it hurt to give her up but it was what needed to be done...

The joy of the show is loving the doctor... I'm just not loving the doctor... I think this is the end for me. I don't want to watch the adventures of the man who keeps kicking everyone who would stay with him out and then whining about it.

Screw that... I'm out.

[Randy G.]

Awww... c'mon now, don't hold back.
Tell us exaclty how you feel. :eek: :rotfl:

(*I'm just kidding with you.)

[borednow]

... to tell you the truth I was holding back! :lol:

P.S. Just say no to clone story lines.

[Antithesis]

I watched it again and was wondering something. Was Dalek Kahn suposed to be the same one at the end of "Evolution of the Daleks"? I originally thought it was, but the Doctor mentioned to Rose that she'd met him before. The only ones I could think of where she talked to one was either "Dalek" or "Parting of the Ways". Neither of those mentioned a specific name.

[TMLS]

I watched it again and was wondering something. Was Dalek Kahn suposed to be the same one at the end of "Evolution of the Daleks"? I originally thought it was, but the Doctor mentioned to Rose that she'd met him before. The only ones I could think of where she talked to one was either "Dalek" or "Parting of the Ways". Neither of those mentioned a specific name.

Doomsday - Caan's one of the Four Daleks to come out of the Void Ship in front of Rose, Mickey and the Asian fella out of Eastenders.

[DK2]

I was iffed by the 4rth season ender. It was building up to be so good from "The Stolen Earth" and then the last twenty minutes of "Journeys End" it got silly. The Daleks & Davros look like they were gonna be the threat they'd always should've been. The Doctor/Donna bit was just wrecking what could've been a great action finale with tension and drama. Then all these companions come along like some happy family get together was just pushing it too far. Especially all smiling around the Tardis console. The Torchwood cast was wasted in this story too besides Jack. I'm tired of former companions in/out in this series so often, like Rose. The other Doctor clone/twin was just stupid. So Rose gets a boy toy Doctor? The Rose stuff should've stayed the way it was in the 2nd seasons ending. The emotiions from that past episode were good and shouldn't have been looked back on. RTD just can't keep the flow of the episodes to stay the way its started. What look liked it'd be awesome 2 parter got pretty much thrown to shreds after those last twenty minutes. I'd give this a 6/10. Most of it would be for part 1, the story arc overall.

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I was iffed by the 4rth season ender. It was building up to be so good from "The Stolen Earth" and then the last twenty minutes of "Journeys End" it got silly. The Daleks & Davros look like they were gonna be the threat they'd always should've been. The Doctor/Donna bit was just wrecking what could've been a great action finale with tension and drama. Then all these companions come along like some happy family get together was just pushing it too far. Especially all smiling around the Tardis console. The Torchwood cast was wasted in this story too besides Jack. I'm tired of former companions in/out in this series so often, like Rose. The other Doctor clone/twin was just stupid. So Rose gets a boy toy Doctor? The Rose stuff should've stayed the way it was in the 2nd seasons ending. The emotiions from that past episode were good and shouldn't have been looked back on. RTD just can't keep the flow of the episodes to stay the way its started. What look liked it'd be awesome 2 parter got pretty much thrown to shreds after those last twenty minutes. I'd give this a 6/10. Most of it would be for part 1, the story arc overall.

I agree... mostly. I think the biggest problem was that "The Stolen Earth" was so good, and built things up so much, that "Journey's End" could never have been as good an episode and so felt a bit underwhelming.

I love RTD, but if I remember correctly from reading "The Writer's Tale", he struggled when writing this episode. He himself thought that the Rose and the other 10th Doctor stuff was a bit out of character for her, which it was. But the man had a deadline, and an entire production team waiting for him to finish. That's got to be a lot of pressure.

And I'd also agree that Torchwood's and even Rose's involvment was a bit pointless, but I think that was probably done more for ratings and the 'spin-offs coming together' feeling, than actual story purposes.

It wasn't a bad episode, just not as good or as epic as "The Stolen Earth" had been. The same thing happened the year before that with "The Last of the Timelords".