Who will win the final battle CK vs LL

[One-Winged-Angel]

Who will win the battle of good and evil? It's finaly come to this, CK has to do something about Lex beacause of the device, and the only way i can see things ending is with an epic battle between the two.

Now, we all know that CK wont die and neither will Lex (superman myhtos) so the prospects of this is very booring, BUT!!! as we all know, the smallville the writers don't give a F... about little insignificant things like facts and original storyline so im betting they will end the season with some spectacular and truthbendning scenes.
And finaly the victor will be CK and Lex will die/abolished/prisoned/raped/get an sturdy and tough yelling from Clark, who knows.

OR!!

Clark could get his ass served beacause of the device and end up dressing up like a little girl. Or forced to ware blue and red clothing for the rest of his life? ..ohh wait, strike that one..

Anyway, there will be a battle of some sort. So votes up! :)


Oh and btw, Doomsday will show up on season 8 (doomsday is famous for killing CK) so maybe he/it will show up on the season finale and well you know, doom the day....
So there should be a third vote that goes to doomsday, but beacause i forgot to ad one. The ones of you that think he/it will spoil the party shout out DOOMSDAY. and i will count it as a vote:)

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[dreamwalker]

Who will win the battle of good and evil? It's finaly come to this, CK has to do something about Lex beacause of the device, and the only way i can see things ending is with an epic battle between the two.

Now, we all know that CK wont die and neither will Lex (superman myhtos) so the prospects of this is very booring, BUT!!! as we all know, the smallville the writers don't give a F... about little insignificant things like facts and original storyline so im betting they will end the season with some spectacular and truthbendning scenes.
And finaly the victor will be CK and Lex will die/abolished/prisoned/raped/get an sturdy and tough yelling from Clark, who knows.

OR!!

Clark could get his ass served beacause of the device and end up dressing up like a little girl. Or forced to ware blue and red clothing for the rest of his life? ..ohh wait, strike that one..

Anyway, there will be a battle of some sort. So votes up! :)


Oh and btw, Doomsday will show up on season 8 (doomsday is famous for killing CK) so maybe he/it will show up on the season finale and well you know, doom the day....
So there should be a third vote that goes to doomsday, but beacause i forgot to ad one. The ones of you that think he/it will spoil the party shout out DOOMSDAY. and i will count it as a vote:)

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Jor-el will win. lex will get a taste of what he served kara...another words next time lex sees clark he wont recognize him. (All about the time clark starts working at the daily planet)

[auctionmonster]

Jor-el will win. lex will get a taste of what he served kara...another words next time lex sees clark he wont recognize him. (All about the time clark starts working at the daily planet)

Exactly, This is my theory, that during this battle or confrontation clark will be given the choice by jor-el of killing lex or removing all of this memories permentently, this will actually work out perfectly and will make sense in the future superman saga of why lex is to stupid to figure out that a superhuman that looks just like clark is clark.

[alienkinfolk]

Exactly, This is my theory, that during this battle or confrontation clark will be given the choice by jor-el of killing lex or removing all of this memories permentently, this will actually work out perfectly and will make sense in the future superman saga of why lex is to stupid to figure out that a superhuman that looks just like clark is clark.

I like your idea, I was wondering how tptb would do a memory erase. I was also thinking they will eventually mem erase all in smallville as well. But do you think this will be a new power that CK will get that he can use at his discretion?

[auctionmonster]

No, not a power. Once clark is put under danger jor-el will activate and place lex in some sort of suspended state and tell clark he is going to kill him since he knows to much, clark will ask jor-el if there is any other way and jor-el will give some big talk but in the end will tell clark that he can erase lex's memories or implant false ones.

[Dor el]

This scenario does not bother me in the least, but I suspect that there are forum goers who will absolutely cringe at the prospects of a memory swipe for Lex. Face, it will be best if Lex doesn't depart SV with the secret of CK in his possession. I can think of a few ways to do this, but clearly the easiest (and most likely the most inexpensive) way to do this is a memory swipe (aka amnesia) or a time reversal of some sort where the details told in SV are changed or eradicated.

[jmsnyc]

This scenario does not bother me in the least, but I suspect that there are forum goers who will absolutely cringe at the prospects of a memory swipe for Lex. Face, it will be best if Lex doesn't depart SV with the secret of CK in his possession. I can think of a few ways to do this, but clearly the easiest (and most likely the most inexpensive) way to do this is a memory swipe (aka amnesia) or a time reversal of some sort where the details told in SV are changed or eradicated.

Well, as far as the season finale is concerned - Lex will appear to win --- of course the story never ends and they always leave us in suspense - like a soap opera....

But in the premiere CK will end up prevailing and perhaps as mentioned elsewhere on the board Lex will end up in the Phantom Zone for a little while.....

[cybevenom]

Clark will win for sure and after that Clark could plant a big wet one on Lex's lips so he would forget everything just like Lois in the end of the Superman 2 movie. How true to mythos would that be??:rotfl:;)

[nenaj]

superwhino

[LastSonKalEl]

i really wonder ...this is a real brain teaser lol....since only one of them is coming back next season i'm going with clark

[kal-el returns]

does lex somehow gain powers that allow him to put up a fight with clark??
obviously somethings gonna happen to lex, which would eliminate him from season 8, but that doesnt mean that clark won. Maybe he's transported to a different universe?!?!

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

The fight will be inconsiquencial in the end, we know the final outcome, what is important is how much will Lex remember.

[Hydra]

The thing is, we all know that this won't actually be the final battle. This is merely the first.

[DontCha]

Exactly, This is my theory, that during this battle or confrontation clark will be given the choice by jor-el of killing lex or removing all of this memories permentently, this will actually work out perfectly and will make sense in the future superman saga of why lex is to stupid to figure out that a superhuman that looks just like clark is clark.


for some reason..I get the feeling that the exact same thing will happen to Lois Lane in season 8

[Alexander III]

Superwhino is soooo gonna kick Superwussyman's ass!!

[Kirstycol]

This is kind of a silly thread. Especially since we all know that Clark wins... plus this thread is so biased in that they call Lex Superwhino. Lex rocks!!!. I clicked on him out of spite cause even though I know in the mythology he doesn't win. I love his character too much not to be curious what would happen if he won.

[Jesstheveg]

While swiping Lex's memory would kind of bring things together, explaining why 'future' Lex can't connect Clark to Superman and also being easy/cheap, it completely undoes all that they've done with the character on Smallville. We're meant to see his descent into darkness. We've been watching him for 7 seasons - starting out as a 'good' person with the evil lurking underneath, but being contained. We then see all the things that happen that lead to him becoming what we know now.

Erasing all of his memories of his time there, the experiences that led to him embracing the darkness within (good god, could that sound any cheesier?!) would, in theory, make a completely different person. Without those experiences, who's to say Lex would become the Lex of mythos? I just feel like they fed us all of this for 7 seasons and completely undoing it would just crap on this big background buildup we've seen. One of my favourite bits of Smallville is the character development. We know where they will all eventually end up, but through this show we get to see why. Not sure how long I'll be able to stick around if they do a complete memory wipe on Lex, if only because it seems like a waste of 7 seasons...whether it explains the future or not. Just my 2 cents :)

[Kirstycol]

If they erase Lex's memory I will NEVER watch Smallville again!

[Hydra]

While swiping Lex's memory would kind of bring things together, explaining why 'future' Lex can't connect Clark to Superman and also being easy/cheap, it completely undoes all that they've done with the character on Smallville. We're meant to see his descent into darkness. We've been watching him for 7 seasons - starting out as a 'good' person with the evil lurking underneath, but being contained. We then see all the things that happen that lead to him becoming what we know now.

Erasing all of his memories of his time there, the experiences that led to him embracing the darkness within (good god, could that sound any cheesier?!) would, in theory, make a completely different person. Without those experiences, who's to say Lex would become the Lex of mythos? I just feel like they fed us all of this for 7 seasons and completely undoing it would just crap on this big background buildup we've seen. One of my favourite bits of Smallville is the character development. We know where they will all eventually end up, but through this show we get to see why. Not sure how long I'll be able to stick around if they do a complete memory wipe on Lex, if only because it seems like a waste of 7 seasons...whether it explains the future or not. Just my 2 cents :)

Agreed, erasing his memory will make the last seven season pointless.

[ElVibo]

Agreed, erasing his memory will make the last seven season pointless.

I disagree. As in Apocalypse we've seen that if Clark didn't arrive to earth, Lex went faster to the dark side than Speedy Pizza's Delivery. And mind you you're missing the point of the last seven season, Clark Kent becoming Superman. I still don't understand how some people like yourself don't want Lex's memory erased of Clark. Mediums show that Lex Luthor does not know who Superman is, PERIOD! What's the point of Clark having an Identity for? The whole interaction between Lex and Clark on the show was to create the Villian vs the Superhero (Good Vs Evil) and the Superhero Lex sees is Superman, not Clark Kent.

As we found out through numerous times, Lex has always said to Clark, "Your Friendship Keeps Me At Bay". Meaning if Clark wasn't there (as we've seen in Apocalypse) Lex was always going to turn out to be on the Dark Side.

What's so cheesy about a memory wipe? I think your comment on that is more cheesier than Speedy's Pizza! So please explain to me how Lex wouldn't know about Clark being Superman in the future, when MR isn't coming back for the next Season.

[Kirstycol]

I disagree. As in Apocalypse we've seen that if Clark didn't arrive to earth, Lex went faster to the dark side than Speedy Pizza's Delivery. And mind you you're missing the point of the last seven season, Clark Kent becoming Superman. I still don't understand how some people like yourself don't want Lex's memory erased of Clark. Mediums show that Lex Luthor does not know who Superman is, PERIOD! What's the point of Clark having an Identity for? The whole interaction between Lex and Clark on the show was to create the Villian vs the Superhero (Good Vs Evil) and the Superhero Lex sees is Superman, not Clark Kent.

As we found out through numerous times, Lex has always said to Clark, "Your Friendship Keeps Me At Bay". Meaning if Clark wasn't there (as we've seen in Apocalypse) Lex was always going to turn out to be on the Dark Side.

What's so cheesy about a memory wipe? I think your comment on that is more cheesier than Speedy's Pizza! So please explain to me how Lex wouldn't know about Clark being Superman in the future, when MR isn't coming back for the next Season.

It's not about how dark lex will go if he remembers everything. It's the fact that it's a plot device they've overused and they are royally pissing of the fans. It's an insult to everyone's intelligence and makes for a VERY BOREING show. If they don't take risks they will be left the dust of shows like BSG, Prison Break, and Lost among many others. Only 15 year olds are enjoying this show at this point. They could do so much better.

[Hydra]

I disagree. As in Apocalypse we've seen that if Clark didn't arrive to earth, Lex went faster to the dark side than Speedy Pizza's Delivery. And mind you you're missing the point of the last seven season, Clark Kent becoming Superman. I still don't understand how some people like yourself don't want Lex's memory erased of Clark. Mediums show that Lex Luthor does not know who Superman is, PERIOD! What's the point of Clark having an Identity for? The whole interaction between Lex and Clark on the show was to create the Villian vs the Superhero (Good Vs Evil) and the Superhero Lex sees is Superman, not Clark Kent.

As we found out through numerous times, Lex has always said to Clark, "Your Friendship Keeps Me At Bay". Meaning if Clark wasn't there (as we've seen in Apocalypse) Lex was always going to turn out to be on the Dark Side.

What's so cheesy about a memory wipe? I think your comment on that is more cheesier than Speedy's Pizza! So please explain to me how Lex wouldn't know about Clark being Superman in the future, when MR isn't coming back for the next Season.

My comment was cheesy? There was nothing cheesy about it, it was merely an observation. You're correct in saying that Lex would have gone bad either way, but the point is that no matter how he turns bad the whole point is in the jouney. If Jor-el simply wipes Lex's mind than everything that brought him to where he is today will have been deemed void. He'll have no reason to be bad anymore other than 'he's supposed to be and he would be anyways'.

The reason he was turning bad in the first place wasn't because it was always inevitable, it had to do with the influences around him, and choices he made in regard to those influences.

Given his personality he probably would have made similiar choices without Clark (as you said) but the point is that in the Smallville universe Clark WAS there. And Lex made choices based on a world where Clark's influence WAS present. So if you erase Lex's memories then Lex is back at ground zero and has to 'become evil' all over again. Which they could do I guess, but then what was the point of stringing us along for the past seven seasons?

Whether or not Lex knew Clarks secret in the other versions of the story is irrellevent. THIS is what the writers gave us, and for better of for worse they should stick with it. Besides its not the Superman costume that Lex hates. Its what Superman stands for that makes them enemies. Clark IS Superman, and that's who Lex hates whether he knows the real identity of our hero or not.

[puddinpiester]

Fine, just make everyone think Lex is crazy, which will probably make him crazy. So when Lex tells everyone that mild mannered DP reporter Clark Kent is really Superman, alien from another planet, everyone will laugh in his face and not believe him. Lex will become even more evil because now he will have revenge as well as all of his so called good intentions of saving the world. I want Lois and Clark to meet and fall in love in the future; not as some throwback thing from SV. An Lex, well as long as Lex isn't able to convince anyone that CK is in fact SM, then I'm almost OK with that. There are some thing that I like about the Superman mythos that I, personally, would rather they not tinker with, and this is one of those things. Otherwise, updating is OK with me.

[susangail]

I like the idea of implanting false memories rather than a full memory wipe. Lex could still know who Clark is and where they've been history-wise but eventually discount any notion that Clark had special abilities.

[Kirstycol]

Fine, just make everyone think Lex is crazy, which will probably make him crazy. So when Lex tells everyone that mild mannered DP reporter Clark Kent is really Superman, alien from another planet, everyone will laugh in his face and not believe him. Lex will become even more evil because now he will have revenge as well as all of his so called good intentions of saving the world. I want Lois and Clark to meet and fall in love in the future; not as some throwback thing from SV. An Lex, well as long as Lex isn't able to convince anyone that CK is in fact SM, then I'm almost OK with that. There are some thing that I like about the Superman mythos that I, personally, would rather they not tinker with, and this is one of those things. Otherwise, updating is OK with me.

LOL it's not going to make Lex look crazy. He'd never go to the daily planet and tell everyone Clarks secret. Knowledge is power, and lex is not one to share power. The more he knows that others don't the more power he feels he has over everyone else.
If they erase his memory they might aswell not have had the past 7 seasons.
Besides after Lana found out they didn't erase her memory. They can't keep useing the same borieing lame plot devices before they lose thier whole audiance.
If they are going to update parts of the superman mythology they might aswell update the whole thing. If not then what's the point. The show is already sufferring because they are trying to cling to old "rules" I dont' see why there should be any rules at all.

[Jesstheveg]

I disagree. As in Apocalypse we've seen that if Clark didn't arrive to earth, Lex went faster to the dark side than Speedy Pizza's Delivery. And mind you you're missing the point of the last seven season, Clark Kent becoming Superman. I still don't understand how some people like yourself don't want Lex's memory erased of Clark. Mediums show that Lex Luthor does not know who Superman is, PERIOD! What's the point of Clark having an Identity for? The whole interaction between Lex and Clark on the show was to create the Villian vs the Superhero (Good Vs Evil) and the Superhero Lex sees is Superman, not Clark Kent.

As we found out through numerous times, Lex has always said to Clark, "Your Friendship Keeps Me At Bay". Meaning if Clark wasn't there (as we've seen in Apocalypse) Lex was always going to turn out to be on the Dark Side.

What's so cheesy about a memory wipe? I think your comment on that is more cheesier than Speedy's Pizza! So please explain to me how Lex wouldn't know about Clark being Superman in the future, when MR isn't coming back for the next Season.

Just for clarification, my 'cheesy' comment <i>was</i> directed at the statement I made - not about what they do with the show or the memory wipe.

I know Lex cannot know Clark Kent as Superman. There's also nothing to say he wouldn't become evil again. My point, like Hydra said, was that it just undoes all the work they've put into the character on the show. The way I interpreted some of the comments on this thread was that it would be a total memory wipe. That would include more than just Clark. I personally don't think Clark is the only factor in Lex's darkness, which also ties in to the storyline of Apocalypse. In that episode, they just took Clark out of the equation, not any of the other things that contributed to Lex's current personality.

I don't have an idea of how else they could do it and who even knows if this is what they will do. I just personally think that if they chose to do a complete mind wipe of Lex, it would be not only be a cop out, but erase all they put into the character. It would just be a means to an end - and an overdone one at that. I'm well aware of the Superman mythology, but that doesn't mean I have to like any old thing they come up with just to fit into that mythology. This is just my opinion.

[Kirstycol]

I know Lex cannot know Clark Kent as Superman. Lex CAN know that Clark is Kal-el which means he can find out Clarks secret.

I personally don't think Clark is the only factor in Lex's darkness
Lionel and Lilly are the reason for Lex's darkness. Clark is just a constant reminder to Lex that his father never loved him. If Clark hadn't existed there would have been some other thing for Lex to focus his rage on. It is Lionel and Lilly plain and simple. That is the cause of his darkness.

[borednow]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Batman...

[4CHLicks]

If Clark hesitates out of squeamishness like a little girl, Lex will definately win, because we can count on Lex not to hesitate to move in for the kill.

[Hopefulsuicide]

actually i don't think we can count on anyone on smallville being anything but a little girl... lana and chloe have more balls on this show than lex or clark... both of them would hesitate, start babbling about how important they were to each other etc

if lana and chloe came to blows, now that would be a interesting moment

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actually i don't think we can count on anyone on smallville being anything but a little girl... lana and chloe have more balls on this show than lex or clark... both of them would hesitate, start babbling about how important they were to each other etc

if lana and chloe came to blows, now that would be a interesting moment

[4CHLicks]

The difference between little girls and Big Girls who don't cry....Sorry for the "little girl" reference. I'll correct myself. I should have said, during this confrontation, Clark better act like a damn Hero and not be "squeamish like a little, snot-nosed brat in diapers."

[Dor el]

I like the idea of implanting false memories rather than a full memory wipe. Lex could still know who Clark is and where they've been history-wise but eventually discount any notion that Clark had special abilities.

Ok. Also, make Lex unable to distinguish which memories are real and which ones are not. Keep him guessing. Keeps Clark on his toes as well.

[Jack-El49]

Clark will win, obviously, and Lex will remember everything but because of friendship, he'll protect CK's secret.

[Dor el]

You really think Lex will do something good for Clark without getting something in return? You have more faith in Lex than I do.

[Yasise]

Clark will win, obviously, and Lex will remember everything but because of friendship, he'll protect CK's secret.

IMO, there is no friendship at all between them anymore. I do believe there was something "friendship-ly" in season 1, but that's a looooong time ago and too much bad things has happened between them.

Do you really think, that there is still somekind of a friendship there???

[Hydra]

IMO, there is no friendship at all between them anymore. I do believe there was something "friendship-ly" in season 1, but that's a looooong time ago and too much bad things has happened between them.

Do you really think, that there is still somekind of a friendship there???

Yeah. The frienship was getting shaky in season four, and in season five they stopped being friends. Season six they started hating each other, and now in season 7 they're flat out enemies. Their friendship was doomed since the season 3 finale.

[clana4everfan2]

Clark Aka Superman of course. :)

[All about Clark]

. . . and Lex will remember everything but because of friendship, he'll protect CK's secret.

You are smoking something really good.

What if Fine interupts the Clex fortress scene and they have to work together to beat Fine and what if in doing so, Lex get's hurt with a head injury and ends up in a coma. After a long-time coma he can't trust what little memories he has, that could be fun.

[SteveS]

Lex will lose the contest and most all memory regarding the Traveler.

[Hydra]

Lex will lose the contest and most all memory regarding the Traveler.

Well. Lex seems to be winning so far...

[Kirstycol]

If Lex forgets everything... that will simply be lazy writing... It will dumb this show down to such a pathetic level that I can't imagine who would continue to watch. This would be at least the 3rd time they've wiped Lex's memories. MR and Lex both deserve better than that, and so do we as the audiance.

[One-Winged-Angel]

Memory erasing is soooo yesterday.