Mrs.Teague and son died for Clark??? What?!

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

That is crazy!

:confused:

[superspider02]

i dont think it was meant to be taking like that.

[TECHWON]

i know what a plot twist from a while back but this episode tied in allot of stuff from the case to the fortress to jor-el's purpose to why veritas wanted clark hmmm this episode has become an interesting development

[minerva73]

I've got a question. Isobel murdered Genevieve for her revenge because of her connection to Dutchess Gertrude, so would that link Isobel (mainly Lana Lang) and Veritas since they Genevieve died for Clark who was one of the main focuses of Veritas?

[Heroes4Hire]

I think he was talking about how he sacrificed time with his family and sacrificed almost everything he had for him

[lovingtom]

Mrs.Teague didn't die for clark, lana killed her when she was controll by Isobel, and her son die because of the metor shower.

[kszonew]

In a sense they did die because of Clark, had Veritas never been formed and Clark never come to Earth, Isobel would have most likley never "possessed" Lana and killed Genevive and the second meteor shower that killed Jason would have never happend either. In the end, the whole thing is like a tapestry, and even if they didn't die stricly for Clark, they died because of him. In all, Clark accepts his destiny=everything comes together and has a purpose. Clark doesn't=people died for no reason, regardless.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I think he was talking about how he sacrificed time with his family and sacrificed almost everything he had for him

No the man had lost all his screws he said very clearly that his wife and son had gladly gone to their deaths to protect the traveller which I doubt since it did not involved them but Teague alone, guess he went coco for cocopuffs after his family died, by the way the actor they chose as good as he is (he played the holographic doctor in Voyager and Wolsey in Stargate Atlantis) does not anything like the one that portrayed young Edward Teague but whatever. Is sad that he turned into that decrepit caricature!

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

yeah, i didn't understand that either.

[curiosity]

He feels that way, but it didn't happen that way.

[minerva73]

In a sense they did die because of Clark, had Veritas never been formed and Clark never come to Earth, Isobel would have most likley never "possessed" Lana and killed Genevive and the second meteor shower that killed Jason would have never happend either. In the end, the whole thing is like a tapestry, and even if they didn't die stricly for Clark, they died because of him. In all, Clark accepts his destiny=everything comes together and has a purpose. Clark doesn't=people died for no reason, regardless.

I agree with you for the most part except Isobel's anger against Countess Gertrude Whatever-Her-Name-Was still would have remained IIRC. Clark didn't really cause any problems between Isobel and Gertrude in the 17th Century, so somehow Isobel still would have wanted revenge against Gertrude (and killing Genevieve would give her the revenge she sought).

[ClarkyBoy14]

That may be what he thinks.

[ginnyfan]

It seems to me that Genevieve went Rogue (if she was ever part of Veritas) and wanted the power of the stones for herself.

[Alexander III]

Who cares wut Mr. T has to say!?!?! He is bald, crazy and delusional. He's speaking jibberish. Wacko! AHH!!

[EKlipse80]

Genevieve did die protecting the traveler. She was trying to obtain the stones to keep them out of human hands specifically Lionels I would imagine. We saw what happened when that failed. I think this sheds a whole new light on the Teagues. I'm gonna rewatch those now.

[HowardFilms]

Jason died because his actor got his own show, not for Clark! Silly Ed.

[Superman of Krypton]

Smallvilles getting all convoluted.

[thehenry89]

GT got stabbed through the heart with a kryptonian magic crystal. and then lionel delivered one of the best lines ever.

[Spoon AZ]

Mrs. Teague and Jason died not for Clark specifically but for the idea of the Traveler. The quest for the stones was an extension of the Veritas mission. Jason maybe didn't even know about the Traveler but was following his mother's wishes/quest. Mrs. Teague was seduced by it's power.

And seeing as Mr. Teague was guarding the church he most likely fully believed their search was for protection and not for the gain that Mrs. T really was seeking. So he had no idea what they were really up to.

[Kevin24]

Mrs. Teague and Jason died not for Clark specifically but for the idea of the Traveler. The quest for the stones was an extension of the Veritas mission. Jason maybe didn't even know about the Traveler but was following his mother's wishes/quest. Mrs. Teague was seduced by it's power.

And seeing as Mr. Teague was guarding the church he most likely fully believed their search was for protection and not for the gain that Mrs. T really was seeking. So he had no idea what they were really up to.

Now that I look back it does seem like they wanted the stones to protect them from Lionel because Edward seemed to think Lionel would be the travelers nemesis.

So they wanted to get the stones before he did. This episode also showed how Edward Teague believed in killing if it was for the greater good and we know that Jason and Mrs. Teague killed Swann's assistant for the stones because she was going to give it to the luthors.

They did not know who the traveler was but I can see how they might have been protecting him even though their methods weren't the best.

[Vergon6]

The thing is that in Veritas it made it out like there was a division, between the 'good' members (Swann, Queen), and the 'bad' members (the ones only interested in power-Luthor, Teague). So Teague's justification for his actions seemed out of character for what he was presented to be previously. Although he could have had a psychotic break after the rest of the members of Veritas, as well as his wife and son died.

But what I was trying to get at is that in the flashback, Swann and Queen seemed to be hiding things from Teague and Luthor, so I am not sure why Teague made it out like him and Swann were 'tight' basically ;)

[LastSonKalEl]

basically they died because of clark because their deaths were brought on by their need to find teh crystals in season four and find the fortress...the same thing that veritas was protecting....so they were in a way looking for the traveler also..they just didn't know it

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the ancestor thing wasn't the only reason genieveve was after the stones....just to protect herself lol...it was more than that...if not planned as more then it still makes since now

[Kevin24]

The thing is that in Veritas it made it out like there was a division, between the 'good' members (Swann, Queen), and the 'bad' members (the ones only interested in power-Luthor, Teague). So Teague's justification for his actions seemed out of character for what he was presented to be previously. Although he could have had a psychotic break after the rest of the members of Veritas, as well as his wife and son died.

But what I was trying to get at is that in the flashback, Swann and Queen seemed to be hiding things from Teague and Luthor, so I am not sure why Teague made it out like him and Swann were 'tight' basically ;)

He did say that Swann taught him everything he knew. I don't remember that scene in vertias but I'll have to rewatch it.

[ginnyfan]

Genevieve did die protecting the traveler. She was trying to obtain the stones to keep them out of human hands specifically Lionels I would imagine. We saw what happened when that failed. I think this sheds a whole new light on the Teagues. I'm gonna rewatch those now.

I have a very hard time believing that Genevieve was acting selflessly in her pursuit of the stones. LOL!

[BWOracle]

I don’t buy the dialog that Jason had Clark’s best interest at heart. Jason’s dialog in Commencement with the Kent’s about a child with no record of having been born and his general demeanor in that scene kind of contradicts it.

[Kevin24]

^He didn't know about Clark he just had assumptions about him.

[Spirit Detective]

Edward Teague was disillusioned

[SVsleuth]

But that's what separates Superman from all the rest of them - they all believe that they are justified in killing if it is for a greater good. Superman doesn't believe that. He feels he'll become a monster if he even starts to walk down that path. He was taught well by Jonathan & Martha, & even Dr. Swann that "you always have a choice". He refuses to beleive that there is no other choice than to kill to thwart evil. He is determined to find another way. If he kills to thwart evil, he'll become the danger to the world. If Lex takes over him, he'll become a danger to the world. Clark realizes he has to find some other option. I hope my friend is right, and that Clark does something to the fortress that reverses whatever Lex tries to do to it to get it to control Clark. He said there was something like that in Superman 2 - I don't remember, but that's what he said. I think that would be great. Superman proves that there is always another choice.

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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Patty Swann was right and Edward Teague WAS dead, poisoned by Lionel. And that this supposed Edward Teague is actually...Brainiac, finding creative ways to try to get Clark to kill & move to the dark side.

[blackcelebration]

But that's what separates Superman from all the rest of them - they all believe that they are justified in killing if it is for a greater good. Superman doesn't believe that. He feels he'll become a monster if he even starts to walk down that path. He was taught well by Jonathan & Martha, & even Dr. Swann that "you always have a choice". He refuses to beleive that there is no other choice than to kill to thwart evil. He is determined to find another way. If he kills to thwart evil, he'll become the danger to the world. If Lex takes over him, he'll become a danger to the world. Clark realizes he has to find some other option. I hope my friend is right, and that Clark does something to the fortress that reverses whatever Lex tries to do to it to get it to control Clark. He said there was something like that in Superman 2 - I don't remember, but that's what he said. I think that would be great. Superman proves that there is always another choice.

Very true. But also Superman was a million times more smart than this BDA. The biggest problem I have is it isn't as if Clark didn't know that Lex had the power to control him. I mean it's not if he has SUPERSPEED and can't just speed around Lex's place:rolleyes:

All this has been done of course all in the name of drama:rolleyes:

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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Patty Swann was right and Edward Teague WAS dead, poisoned by Lionel. And that this supposed Edward Teague is actually...Brainiac, finding creative ways to try to get Clark to kill & move to the dark side.

That would be too cool!

[MixTKO]

^He didn't know about Clark he just had assumptions about him.
In Forever when Lex and Jason are standing on the cliff jason says Clark is more involved in this than anyone. And right as he's about to spill the beans Lionel shot Jason and he fell down the ridge. I'm pretty sure he knew something.

[Super Maverick]

everything has changed

[Vergon6]

He did say that Swann taught him everything he knew. I don't remember that scene in vertias but I'll have to rewatch it.
Yeah I know that's what is confusing, because what occurred in the "Veritas" flashback seemed to contradict that.

[Valerie]

Edward Teague is portrayed as a delusional fanatic. He is mentally unhinged, so anything he says may have a small grain of truth, but is most likely just the way he sees things.

The few times G. Teague spoke of her husband, it was with derision. I don't think she had much respect for him. In fact, she seemed to be going behind his back, as well as others.

Jason and his mother both died in a quest for power that didn't belong to them. They would have been no better than Lex, had they known for sure who the traveler was. They did not die protecting the traveler.

[LoveHurts38]

That is crazy!

:confused:

I was surprised as you are.

[Kevin24]

Very true. But also Superman was a million times more smart than this BDA. The biggest problem I have is it isn't as if Clark didn't know that Lex had the power to control him. I mean it's not if he has SUPERSPEED and can't just speed around Lex's place:rolleyes:

All this has been done of course all in the name of drama:rolleyes:

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That would be too cool!

Clark mentioned that he X-rayed Lex and saw that he had nothing on him. He concluded that Lex didn't find what he was looking for. Clark thinks he is in the clear because Lex didn't get a hold of the device. Chloe on the other hand wants Clark to take care of him by any means even if it that is by killing him. She is being cautious and knows that Lex will always be a threat to him even if he doesn't have the device.

In Forever when Lex and Jason are standing on the cliff jason says Clark is more involved in this than anyone. And right as he's about to spill the beans Lionel shot Jason and he fell down the ridge. I'm pretty sure he knew something.

Jason didn't know how exactly Clark fit into all of this. He just knew that Clark didn't have any record of ever being born and that all the symbols from the cave and stones appeared on the Kent Farm. Also how he always mysteriously saved the day despite how unlikely it was that anyone could. He didn't know that Clark was the traveler but he had alot of strong evidence that Clark does have a strong connection to the stones.

Yeah I know that's what is confusing, because what occurred in the "Veritas" flashback seemed to contradict that.

I just rewatched that scene and the only person who wants to open the envelope is Lionel. Queen and Teague both seem to want to lock it in the safe deposit box at Zürich because they feel that no one could resist the power of controlling the traveler.

Queen even mentioned that Teague's ancestors have been guarding the stones with their lives for centuries. Teague doesn't really say much in that scene but he seems to ally himself with Queen and Swann and agrees with them.

[chlo-el]

Mrs.Teague didn't die for clark, lana killed her when she was controll by Isobel, and her son die because of the metor shower.

I think in Mr. Teague twisted head everything that his family did and suffered was for the traveler. Both Jason and his mother died for the pursuit of the stones.

[vikingjedi]

In a sense they did die because of Clark, had Veritas never been formed and Clark never come to Earth, Isobel would have most likley never "possessed" Lana and killed Genevive and the second meteor shower that killed Jason would have never happend either. In the end, the whole thing is like a tapestry, and even if they didn't die stricly for Clark, they died because of him. In all, Clark accepts his destiny=everything comes together and has a purpose. Clark doesn't=people died for no reason, regardless.

Well said

[kal-el returns]

Mrs.Teague didn't die for clark, lana killed her when she was controll by Isobel, and her son die because of the metor shower.

but they died because they were searching for the stones that would form the fortress of solitude, so technically everything all comes back to clark, which kinda does mean that they died for clark

[Welling_is_pretty]

not getting into the debate, all I wanted to say was when Edward Teague uttered that line all I could think was "no, Jason died because he dated Lana and that's what happens to all Lana's boyfriends!" :lol:

*is evil and knows it*

[TheLeague]

but they died because they were searching for the stones that would form the fortress of solitude, so technically everything all comes back to clark, which kinda does mean that they died for clark

exactly what i was thinking

also u have to think isobel was after the stones and when mrs.teague died isobel left lana and not be a threat against clark anymore so in a way she DID die for him unknowingly