#7-19 "Quest" Canadian Countdown / Live Discussion Thread!

[Kalista]

Looking forward to the moment by moment recap!

[Twitch]

3 hours 10 minutes until Quest! :D

[RichardMarx]

I'll have to get my "screen capturing" finger ready :)

[Mar-El]

I hope this episode is good. I don't know what to expect so I'm kind of excited. Craig said it is definitely not a filler episode, so that's good :D

[Twitch]

Yay I love them screencaps! Sweet avi by the way Richard, did she look great in that scene or what! :)

I hope this episode is good. I don't know what to expect so I'm kind of excited. Craig said it is definitely not a filler episode, so that's good :D
Well that sounds promising! I hope it`s mostly Clark-centered.

2 hours 54 minutes!

[Alexander III]

2 hrs and 53 minutes! HURRY!

[RichardMarx]

Yay I love them screencaps! Sweet avi by the way Richard, did she look great in that scene or what! :)



Heck yeah she did! She's why I got into the screen capturing business :)

[mctor]

1 hour:D

[Twitch]

59 minutes :)

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

I sure hope it appears tonight! Hope they won't have the hockey playoffs to take over on this channel!

[Twitch]

Nah they won't show the hockey, there aren't even any games on tonight. :)

45 minutes!

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

30 minutes!!

[mctor]

30 minutes... Im so excited!!!

[Twitch]

I have no idea what this episode is about, so yeah I'm pretty anxious too.

28 minutes!

[Alexander III]

26 minutes OMG!!

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[Twitch]

LMAO at those GIFs!

22 mintues :D

[RichardMarx]

21 minutes...

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Hey everyone. Im in the UK, so i'll be counting on u Canadians to kindly keep me up to date on the going-ons of Quest:). Im going to bed now, but i will visit this thread when i wake up.
Thanks

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16 minutes:p

[mctor]

5 minutes

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1 minute:D

[Kefala323]

I missed the opening sequence... but I'm here now

[SueB]

but I'm here now

Yay!

[Rizarro]

Hi everyone; I live in Mexico, and I'm so excited to see this episode!!! I hope that your play-by-plays are as awesome as always so I can know what's going on in the episode. Hope you have a great time watching it!!! Bye! :D

[Kefala323]

Scars on lexes chest
Talking to bodygaurd
no leads
He was trying to kill me
Lex sees his chest
symbol on his chest

Talon loft
Jimmy

[RichardMarx]

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[redtturaider]

Did anyone see the opening scene?

[Kefala323]

chloe
Jimmy knows lex is in hospital
Chloe is trying to be frisky
I thought lex had gotten rid of all his ememies
He shows chloe pics of lex's chest

[Clarkgirl8]

ouch :\

[Rizarro]

Yay!!! Kefala's here!!!:D

[Kefala323]

Traveler & Savior are symbols

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Lex is gone from hospital

[NoSupeForYou]

That looks so painful. ouch!

[SueB]

Thanks for the recap & pics and owwwwwwww! TV-14 is my guess.

[Kefala323]

Car in the rain
The guy in th car found him
Guy goes in and starts shoting
But lex shows up and shots him in the back

[NoSupeForYou]

That's going to be a whole lot of stitches.

[Rizarro]

Ouch!:(

[Kefala323]

isis, looking at symbols with chloe
I don't wanting people killing for me says clark
go back
sancuary
st, christopher
he's going to montreal

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lex in car with old dude
talk of watchermaker, history lesson
they told him to make a clock
one sketch of clock
donation made from dr. swann
donated to same church, lex knows

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chark in church
at alter
symbols in holy water
lifted it
you found what you were seaking
Edward Teague
I've waited a lifetime to serve the traveler

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

sounds interesting so far... can;t wait til 2morrow.

[RichardMarx]

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[Chrisluvstommy]

RichardMarx thanks for the pics!!! Visuals are always a plus!! And of course Kefla your always the best at giving out the details thanks !

[Clarkgirl8]

Yuck is that Chimmy on bed?! Geeeez :rotfl:

Thanks guys! :D

[Kefala323]

all veritas is dead
He killed queens swann
I went into hiding
they died because of me,no they died to protect me
Lex is a non-believer
There is something out there that can control me
There are clues around the world
clue is in this church
so you tired to kill him
It was my only chance to get a msg to you.
I know how evil lex is
Why didn't you take care of hiim before
you don't want to fulfill your destiny
Kryptonite attack
You must fight to keep the darkness from overwhelming everyone
clark is out cold

[clana4everfan2]

Wow nice recap pics and written recaps. I know I really should wait until tomorrow but I couldn't haha LOL! :D Thanks to all the wonderful Canadians for the updates. hehe :)

[NoSupeForYou]

sounds almost like B5 where the Vorlons brought in Jack the Ripper to test Dellen and Sheridan. Hell, he even had a cane.

[Clarkgirl8]

There are clues around the world
clue is in this church
so you tired to kill him
It was my only chance to get a msg to you.


Hum Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown, anyone?

[Kefala323]

lex on a plane with old guy
you still me that is why you are keeping me alive
my father was one of the wealthy people who commissed for the clock to be build
the guy is putting it together

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

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gosh, chloe is being frisky. ;) is she in a tank or bra???

[RichardMarx]

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[Kefala323]

jimmy and chloe
she is downplaying symbols to jimmy
human scarifice picture

[NoSupeForYou]

It would be really funny if he missed one screw or gear and the clock ended up off, but Lex had no way of knowing.

[Jade4813]

Okay, I know it's not the point, but, dude...Jimmy...

If your gilfriend's got you in bed and is getting frisky, WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLAYING WITH YOUR...phone? I assume that's what has the pictures on it.

Geez. Way to kill a mood. *huff*

[NoSupeForYou]

Did one of those pics get reversed or was that on the TV? Cause the cross is on the right in one and the left in another?

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You know he's got nude pictures of her somewhere. They're probably on the phone.

[Clarkgirl8]

I think it was a mirror... wasnt it?

[Jade4813]

:lol: Yeah, NoSupeForYou you may be right...but which would you rather have? A picture or the real thing? ;)

[NoSupeForYou]

Well, maybe he was clearing memory to make room for more. At least you'd hope that's his excuse.

[Jory]

Okay, I know it's not the point, but, dude...Jimmy...

If your gilfriend's got you in bed and is getting frisky, WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLAYING WITH YOUR...phone? I assume that's what has the pictures on it.

Geez. Way to kill a mood. *huff*

Somehow I think if that were George in Jimmy's situation, Lex would be an after thought. ;)

[Supes4Ever]

Just throwing it out there, but if I got a nice camera phone like that in bed with my girlfriend.....yeah I am going to get the real thing AND the pictures.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[NoSupeForYou]

Instead, he would rather lament the fact that someone carved up Lex's chest? A little suspicious there Jimmy.

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what happened to Kef?

[Clarkgirl8]

:lol:

I'm just waiting for one of Jimmy's "Lex is working with the egyptcians" lines :rotfl:

[A_Chloe.S._Fan]

:lol:

I'm just waiting for one of Jimmy's "Lex is working with the egyptcians" lines :rotfl:

lol :lol:

[NoSupeForYou]

What are we missing?

[Clarkgirl8]

A lot apparently

[duck466]

Kef is offline so no finishing info

[Rizarro]

:eek:This episode's amazing!!!:D

[Supes4Ever]

A few marbles and a sense of decency when it comes to talking about "friskiness".....NA, I don't know, maybe it is SO AWESOME that it isn't possible to type it out right now

[NoSupeForYou]

Is Kef creating his own cliffhanger moment?

By the way, anyone else find it funny that Clark decided he had to change from red shirt/blue jacket to blue shirt/red jacket before he went to church?

[Supes4Ever]

Yea...I found that odd

[Rizarro]

:eek:No Kefala?! Awww...:(

[duck466]

I think most of the sfx have him in the Red jacket blue shirt, so its easier and less costly to make them.

[redtturaider]

so is there anyone else that can recap?

[Clarkgirl8]

What's going on?! :D

i find it funny you said "change" he always wears the same clothes! :lol:

[RichardMarx]

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[NoSupeForYou]

Someone please spill or I'm going to have to do something drastic like watch like a normal person.

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

OH MY GOD... what an ending!! Awesome episode!! I got goosebumps!!

[NoSupeForYou]

What is this, a slasher pic?

[Supes4Ever]

Holy s***....HE CARVED INTO CLARK'S CHEST???

[NoSupeForYou]

someone please recap what happened.

[Rizarro]

:confused:I did too. Maybe he thought the last veritas member was going to mistake him for Bizarro...:rotfl:

[Alexander III]

Now Lex's off to the FOS YAY!!

[clana4everfan2]

Wow poor Clark! :( That's gotta hurt.

[Mar-El]

Definitely sets things up nicely for Arctic.

This episode was pretty interesting and it really lived up to the episode title. I can't believe the answer to Lex's question was in the mansion the entire time.

[bluecatsup]

so lex found it... yay for the exciting plot?

[redtturaider]

is there anyone who could recap?

[RichardMarx]

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[Rizarro]

:(I'm just too slow with my posts...:rotfl:

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

I guess I can recap a bit..since Kefala isn't here. Hope no one minds that.

Chloe came to Montreal and found Clark strapped onto the table.. and she rescued him.

Edward & Lex had a major fight with swords.. and Lex was about to kill Edward when Clark flew in with super speed power and saved Edward..

Edward saw that it was Clark who saved him. Edward seemed shocked. Clark flew by so fast that Lex was left wondering who that was.. and Lex assumed it was the Traveler that saved Edward.

Back to Smallville: At the farm - Chloe & Clark talk. Chloe comes to the realization that either Lex or Clark has to die to save the other..in the end, they both cannot live. Clark asks Chloe "I have to kill Lex?" while Chloe replies "Its either you or him"

Back to the airplane jet: Lex is on the plane, and figures out that he has to go back to Scotland where there lies the SAME exact replica of his castle/home that is in Smallville.. inside the house is the weapon to destroy the Traveler.

Lex arrives in Scotland, and starts destroying a fireplace. Inside the fireplace is a globe-shaped crystal and Lex uses the small symbolic "direction pointer" and puts it inside the globe.

All of a sudden, a huge blue circle forms in the shape of the earth... and all continents are featured, and the blue earth gets a red feature in the north pole region of Canada.. and Lex gets a smirk & naturally figures out that is where he has to go.

Hope that helped. :)

[NoSupeForYou]

Is that NI5 in the beginning of the plane's tail number?

[mctor]

wicked episode, has me extremely excited for the finale!!

This episode had alot of continuity in it.

I loved how the Mansion had one of the clues inside of it, it explains why Lionel brought the castle to Smallville.. thought that was brilliant.

[Clarkgirl8]

You go Chloe!

I'm really looking forward to this epi, sounds great... oooh the finale :(

Thanks for the recap! :D

[NoSupeForYou]

I guess I can recap a bit..since Kefala isn't here. Hope no one minds that.

Chloe came to Montreal and found Clark strapped onto the table.. and she rescued him.

Edward & Lex had a major fight with swords.. and Lex was about to kill Edward when Clark flew in with super speed power and saved Edward..

Edward saw that it was Clark who saved him. Edward seemed shocked. Clark flew by so fast that Lex was left wondering who that was.. and Lex assumed it was the Traveler that saved Edward.

Back to Smallville: At the farm - Chloe & Clark talk. Chloe comes to the realization that either Lex or Clark has to die to save the other..in the end, they both cannot live. Clark asks Chloe "I have to kill Lex?" while Chloe replies "Its either you or him"

Back to the airplane jet: Lex is on the plane, and figures out that he has to go back to Scotland where there lies the SAME exact replica of his castle/home that is in Smallville.. inside the house is the weapon to destroy the Traveler.

Lex arrives in Scotland, and starts destroying a fireplace. Inside the fireplace is a globe-shaped crystal and Lex uses the small symbolic "direction pointer" and puts it inside the globe.

All of a sudden, a huge blue circle forms in the shape of the earth... and all continents are featured, and the blue earth gets a red feature in the north pole region of Canada.. and Lex gets a smirk & naturally figures out that is where he has to go.

Hope that helped. :)

Big help. Thank you.

[redtturaider]

thanks so much for the recap! cant wait til tomorrow!

[Chrisluvstommy]

Whoa!!! Hey do we have a cap of Clark getting his shirt ripped open??!!!! *evil laugh*

[NoSupeForYou]

Indiana Lex and the Crystal Ball.

[Jade4813]

Back to Smallville: At the farm - Chloe & Clark talk. Chloe comes to the realization that either Lex or Clark has to die to save the other..in the end, they both cannot live. Clark asks Chloe "I have to kill Lex?" while Chloe replies "Its either you or him"


Oh for the love of...So first, Clark needs saving...AGAIN. And then he and Chloe chat about how he has to kill Lex? And, you know, he seems to accept it, from what I gather? How very Harry Potter/Voldemort...except there, of course, Dumbledore was saying that he always has a choice, no matter what the Prophesy said. And Harry was fighting it because he didn't want to kill...even Voldemort.

That's it. I'm out. I can't believe this anymore. I simply cannot believe that this is supposed to be Superman we're talking about here. I'm going to go with Harry Potter=Superman and save myself the aggravation.

Whatever. I'm over it. Thursday nights, if anyone needs me, I'll be NOT watching Smallville again.

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BTW, thanks for the recap, ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva. My irritation at the episode aside, I appreciate your effort in posting the recap!

[NoSupeForYou]

It's not Clark's fault that half of Krypton got blown to Earth.

[Rizarro]

Totally one of the most awesome episodes in the SMALLVILLE history!!!

[duck466]

Yeah it sure seems like there is WAY too much kryptonite laying around for Superman to do any good in the future.

[Twitch]

I have mixed feelings about this episode, it was okay I guess, not very exciting. I liked the last scene with Lex finding the location of the FOS though, it was well done. Again though, this episode was 'alright.'

Oh for the love of...So first, Clark needs saving...AGAIN. And then he and Chloe chat about how he has to kill Lex? And, you know, he seems to accept it, from what I gather? How very Harry Potter/Voldemort...except there, of course, Dumbledore was saying that he always has a choice, no matter what the Prophesy said.

That's it. I'm out. I can't believe this anymore. I simply cannot believe that this is supposed to be Superman we're talking about here.

Whatever. I'm over it. Thursday nights, if anyone needs me, I'll be NOT watching Smallville again.

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BTW, thanks for the recap, ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva. My irritation at the episode aside, I appreciate your effort in posting the recap!
Oh no don't stop watching Jade! That scene with him and Chloe wasn't that bad, he didn't agree with her, he just gives that classic blank Clark stare. He has some other Supermanly lines in this episode, I can't remember them all but for example he forgives Edward Teague for trying to kill him. That's very Supermanly right? :\

[TheLastKryptonian]

DAMN there's a lot of blood in this episode! OH YEAH! IMO more episodes should be 14+. Everything good on TV has violence, sex and bad language. You know it's true. :p

As for the kryptonite, I hope in season 8 there'll be an episode where Clark or even some JLA members go around the world destroying kryptonite like Batman and Superman did in one story in the comics. Kryptonite would become a lot more valuable and rare and wouldn't be seen every other episode. :)

[RichardMarx]

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[Thrill_Seeker]

THANK YOU SOO MUCH Richard Marx
for the photos !!!!!
I prefer looking at them then kefalas recap just because I dont want to be too spoilery, just a little.

and what is with the carving in peoples chest !!!! i mean HOLY CRAP !!
poor clark !!! and haha lex, sucked in, I dont feel bad for him.
although I really dont like clark i feels SOOOO bad for him !!!!! that must REALLY REALLY hurt !!!

I CANNOT wait for this episode !!!! AWESOME !!!!!!!
alot of people thought maybe this'd be a filler episode, but its the ones that you expect to be not the best, that really shine !!!!!!!! (sometimes) :p
thnx again richardmarx for the photo recap.
I also loved the fact that we get a look into the caves symbols and their meanings, sounds like SUCH a good episode !!!

[kavalier]

Totally one of the most awesome episodes in the SMALLVILLE history!!!

Seems like thats being said a lot lately. This is a great time to be watching Smallville....so many episodes have been so great lately...Traveler, Veritas, Descent, Apocalypse. This one sounds fantastic as well! Cant wait!

In fact, if anybody wants to start posting some clips...(maybe even the whole thing? ;-) ) I'll be much obliged!

[Jory]

Oh for the love of...So first, Clark needs saving...AGAIN. And then he and Chloe chat about how he has to kill Lex? And, you know, he seems to accept it, from what I gather? How very Harry Potter/Voldemort...except there, of course, Dumbledore was saying that he always has a choice, no matter what the Prophesy said. And Harry was fighting it because he didn't want to kill...even Voldemort.

That's it. I'm out. I can't believe this anymore. I simply cannot believe that this is supposed to be Superman we're talking about here. I'm going to go with Harry Potter=Superman and save myself the aggravation.

Whatever. I'm over it. Thursday nights, if anyone needs me, I'll be NOT watching Smallville again.

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BTW, thanks for the recap, ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva. My irritation at the episode aside, I appreciate your effort in posting the recap!


I found a bit more about the episode at another message board. Before the "Lex or Clark" must die, there was a scene between Chloe and Jimmy. Jimmy was excited because he sold a story to Lex about the symbols. Jimmy says that the symbols are about Numan and Sageeth, and originally they had their own (seperate) symbols. Jimmy talked to a professor about the symbols, and the professor told him that the reason symbol of Numan and Sageeth is joined is because it's their(Numan/Sageeth's) final battle between good and evil. Now Lex knows about the symbols, because Jimmy sold him the story.

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[Jade4813]

Oh no don't stop watching Jade! That scene with him and Chloe wasn't that bad, he didn't agree with her, he just gives that classic blank Clark stare. He has some other Supermanly lines in this episode, I can't remember them all but for example he forgives Edward Teague for trying to kill him. That's very Supermanly right? :\

No, I still can't believe it. SUPERMAN should have actually said something. About, you know, how KILLING IS WRONG. Isn't it supposed to be the one thing Superman DOESN'T DO and you just don't MESS WITH THAT???

And, frankly, I expected more of Chloe, for her to say something like, Oh, I don't know, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY and you NEVER HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE???

I'm so livid right now, I can barely type.

I can't believe that they are trying to sell us on the idea that THIS is Superman. And a week after I was given false #@47(&(#$# hope in Apocalypse that they actually got it.

I'm done with this show. Series finale was Apocalypse in my mind, and unless I hear that next season IS actually "a whole new show" in that it actually respects the Superman legend, I'm done with this program. I'll be happy if I can forget in 10 years that it even existed as ANY kind of interpretation on the Superman legend.

[Twitch]

Great job with caps Richard by the way. :)

[Jade4813]

Yes, thank you Richard for the caps. And to everyone else who recapped this episode. My anger is not directed at any of you, and I appreciate all of your efforts. :)

[redeem147]

In one version of the story, Superman executed the Kryptonian criminals and then vowed never to kill again. This could be another Smallville re-working of the mythos (not that he'd actually execute Lex.

I wish James Marsters had been on the episode, so they could all discuss getting symbols carved into their chests.

Does anyone really believe that Robert Picardo + Jane Seymour = Jensen Ackles? That's some weird DNAing.

Yay! for Donnelly Rhodes. I just like him.

[Jade4813]

Okay...*breathes in and out* Trying to calm down now. As others are trying to talk some sense into me, I'm grudgingly trying to hold off on taking some gasoline to my Smallville DVDs until at least the season finale.

But I swear, in that last scene between Clark and Lex, if it looks like Clark is even THINKING about killing him, I'm setting something on fire.

[ninthdegree]

I feel naughty but can anyone post more caps of Clark with his shirt ripped open :D

[Chrisluvstommy]

I feel naughty but can anyone post more caps of Clark with his shirt ripped open :D

I asked that very same thing *tee hee*:D

[Twitch]

No, I still can't believe it. SUPERMAN should have actually said something. About, you know, how KILLING IS WRONG. Isn't it supposed to be the one thing Superman DOESN'T DO and you just don't MESS WITH THAT???

And, frankly, I expected more of Chloe, for her to say something like, Oh, I don't know, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY and you NEVER HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE???

I'm so livid right now, I can barely type.

I can't believe that they are trying to sell us on the idea that THIS is Superman. And a week after I was given false #@47(&(#$# hope in Apocalypse that they actually got it.

I'm done with this show. Series finale was Apocalypse in my mind, and unless I hear that next season IS actually "a whole new show" in that it actually respects the Superman legend, I'm done with this program. I'll be happy if I can forget in 10 years that it even existed as ANY kind of interpretation on the Superman legend.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way Jade. :( But honestly Clark wasn't bad in this epi, he had a lot of good lines. The only reason they had him not anwser her at the end in my opinion was for dramatic effect and to add 'suspense' if you will, you know Clark would never kill Lex. There's a good scene between Clark and Teague in the church, the message it gives the viewers is that Clark will never resort to killing Lex. That's the reason Teague tries to kill Clark actually, becasue he finds out that Clark has known about Lex's intentions and is surprised that Clark hasn't 'eliminated' him yet. He figures it's too dangerous to have Clark around at all if there's someone out there like Lex who will try to control him. I hope that makes sense, all I'm saying is that Clark didn't look bad in this epi.

I have to admit though that I wasn't too pleased with Chloe in this episode... She twice referred to Clark as a God, and then she suggests at the end to kill Lex... I didn't like it at all.

[NoSupeForYou]

To get mad in the seventh season about the fact that this isn't the Superman we know is pointless. We've all been going on about that forever. Who would have thought that Kill Bill could nail Superman better than the producers of a show about Superman. The world is a strange, kryptonite-littered place.

[vezz801]

so.... im just joining in and from what ive read... robert picardo is edward teague? jason's dad? i can believe jeffrey dean morgan or the guy in Veritas being hid dad, but Robert Picardo? no. i loved doc from voyager.... but if he is supposed to be edward teague.... im shocked..... cool though.

[RepairmanBob]

Damn it, Chloe has to save Clark again? I like Chloe, but come on show!

[Jory]

Okay...*breathes in and out* Trying to calm down now. As others are trying to talk some sense into me, I'm grudgingly trying to hold off on taking some gasoline to my Smallville DVDs until at least the season finale.

But I swear, in that last scene between Clark and Lex, if it looks like Clark is even THINKING about killing him, I'm setting something on fire.

Someone who saw the episode said that Chloe wasn't saying "kill Lex",but that Clark would have to make some difficult decisions in the future*cough Arctic cough*. They were afraid that Chloe was saying "kill him," but that's not how the scene actually played out.

Granted everyone sees differnet scenes in their own way so..

[Rizarro]

True, True...

[NoSupeForYou]

It sounds like Clark is going to banish Lex to some distant corner of the globe in Arctic, especially after MR's interview. Maybe he puts him back on that island.

[redeem147]

I just copied this from the wikipedia entry on Superman/Batman. That's not the only version where Superman considers killing or actually kills (see above post)

"Jeph Loeb

In the first story arc, "Public Enemies" (issues #1-6, illustrated by Ed McGuinness), then-U.S. President Lex Luthor declares Superman and Batman enemies of the state, claiming that a kryptonite asteroid headed for Earth is connected to an evil plot by Superman. Luthor offers a $1 billion bounty, which encourages both supervillains and superheroes to attack. Superman almost kills Lex, with Batman standing aside. Superman changes his mind at the last moment."

Whole url is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman/Batman

And he isn't even Superman yet.

[Twitch]

Someone who saw the episode said that Chloe wasn't saying "kill Lex",but that Clark would have to make some difficult decisions in the future*cough Arctic cough*. They were afraid that Chloe was saying "kill him," but that's not how the scene actually played out.
This is the line I didn't like coming from Chloe: "Someday you're gonna have to play God."

It just didn't feel right.

[The Great Ymmij]

It's certain that Jason got his "good-looking" genes from his mother.

[Rizarro]

It's certain that Jason got his "good-looking" genes from his mother.
DEFINITELY!

[Jory]

This is the line I didn't like coming from Chloe: "Someday you're gonna have to play God."

It just didn't feel right.

Doesn't Clark turn back time (in the Superman movie) to bring Lois back to life? Didn't Clark (on this show) reverse time so that Lana didn't die in the crash? Isn't that "playing God?" Why not just let Lana and Lois die in those situations then? Aren't there stories in the comic books about Superman having to decide whether to save Lois or some stranger? Won't he be "playing God" in the future, when he saves one life over another, because he can't save everyone at once. Some will die and others won't.

[Rizarro]

Jane Seymour is a very good looking woman.

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The one thing that keeps bothering me is that Clark just continues to deny his destiny and just postpone it whenever it's possible. I know that at the the begining of this season he went to to the FOS to start his training, but lets face it; the last thing Clark wants to do is accept his destiny.

[NoSupeForYou]

Superman plays god everyday. Look at SR. He flies up, listens and picks someone to save. That's one of the burdens of being a superhero. You can't save everybody. You have to make that choice, just like doctors in a triage.

I'm sure everyone here had that exercise in class where they had to pick which people to take in a doomsday scenario when you could only take a certain amount.

[Rizarro]

Which is just plain irritating.

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Superman plays god everyday. Look at SR. He flies up, listens and picks someone to save. That's one of the burdens of being a superhero. You can't save everybody. You have to make that choice, just like doctors in a triage.
I was talking about my last post, not yours... tee hee!

[ninthdegree]

Jane Seymour is a very good looking woman.

Which begs the question...... How the hell did he get into her pants?

[RichardMarx]

I feel naughty but can anyone post more caps of Clark with his shirt ripped open :D

I asked that very same thing *tee hee*:D

Alright, if you guys want it that badly :) :

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4814/vlcsnap87172nb6.png
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9171/vlcsnap87342uc3.png
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7033/vlcsnap87395rb8.png
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http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/127/vlcsnap87429rv8.png
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7442/vlcsnap87436tg9.png

[Jade4813]

Which begs the question...... How the hell did he get into her pants?

Alcohol.

[vezz801]

Alright, if you guys want it that badly :) :

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4814/vlcsnap87172nb6.png
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9171/vlcsnap87342uc3.png
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7033/vlcsnap87395rb8.png
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7033/vlcsnap87395rb8.png
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/223/vlcsnap87406wk5.png
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/43/vlcsnap87410oo1.png
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3938/vlcsnap87416li0.png
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7272/vlcsnap87425sb6.png
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/127/vlcsnap87429rv8.png
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7442/vlcsnap87436tg9.png

thanks richard marx!

[Twitch]

Doesn't Clark turn back time (in the Superman movie) to bring Lois back to life? Didn't Clark (on this show) reverse time so that Lana didn't die in the crash? Isn't that "playing God?" Why not just let Lana and Lois die in those situations then? Aren't there stories in the comic books about Superman having to decide whether to save Lois or some stranger? Won't he be "playing God" in the future, when he saves one life over another, because he can't save everyone at once. Some will die and others won't.
I see what you're saying, but from what I understood of the scene, she meant playing God as in he might have to take a life (Lex) in order to survive. I just can't see Clark doing that. The examples you give above are of him saving lives or having to decide between two people, not killing someone so that he can live on. Maybe I just interpreted the scene wrong, who knows, I'll have to watch it again tomorrow to see, but that's just how I saw it.

[Rizarro]

Which begs the question...... How the hell did he get into her pants? No idea...:\

[RichardMarx]

I'm glad everyone appreciated the screen captures. I personally really liked this episode (and the last couple of eps). They made up for a lot of bad episodes over the last few seasons. I can't wait for the season finale. Some awesome stuff should happen between Clark and Lex. I might take the night off from screen capturing and just enjoy the last episode of the season. Smallville just won't be the same without Michael Rosenbaum. The scenes with Clark and Lex were always my favourite.

[dru-zod2501]

Oh for the love of...So first, Clark needs saving...AGAIN. And then he and Chloe chat about how he has to kill Lex? And, you know, he seems to accept it, from what I gather? How very Harry Potter/Voldemort...except there, of course, Dumbledore was saying that he always has a choice, no matter what the Prophesy said. And Harry was fighting it because he didn't want to kill...even Voldemort.

That's it. I'm out. I can't believe this anymore. I simply cannot believe that this is supposed to be Superman we're talking about here. I'm going to go with Harry Potter=Superman and save myself the aggravation.

Whatever. I'm over it. Thursday nights, if anyone needs me, I'll be NOT watching Smallville again.

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BTW, thanks for the recap, ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva. My irritation at the episode aside, I appreciate your effort in posting the recap!
I hardly ever agree with you JAde, but this time I must. it looks like this will be at best standard Clark fare, or at worst, on par with Veritas.

[NoSupeForYou]

Which begs the question...... How the hell did he get into her pants?

Little Red K pills.

[TheLastKryptonian]

Superman killing Lex is unheard of. In this alternate reality in Justice League, Superman KILLS president Lex.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hobP_7pPV4s

The TPTB wouldn't kill Lex on Smallville though. He'll just disappear somehow, go to jail/asylum (again), or coma. :p

[Rizarro]

I know... Without MR, SMALLVILLE just won't be the same...:(

[Jade4813]

I hardly ever agree with you JAde, but this time I must.

Awww...well, I suppose the law of averages said it had to happen eventually right, even if just once? ;)

[suzieQ]

Thanks for the wonderful Screen caps RichardMarx! And everyone for the recaps!

So can we assume that the Chest Carving that Clark got is all healed now?? No scars whatsoever??

Can I ask, .... was Monk Teague trying to kill Clark or was he trying to "Brand" Clark, like Jor-el did in Exodus? Like the Brand would make him Kal-el? I didn't pick up what his purpose was in doing that to Clark!

[RedKRules]

It's certain that Jason got his "good-looking" genes from his mother.

True :lol:

[Twitch]

Thanks for the wonderful Screen caps RichardMarx! And everyone for the recaps!

So can we assume that the Chest Carving that Clark got is all healed now?? No scars whatsoever??
That's a good question, there's a possibility of it still being etched on his chest I think... It looked like Teague used a special dagger during the "kryptonian ritual" as he called it, and after Chloe frees him there's this flash of light across his chest... The next scene we see him with his jacket on so I really don't know.

[suzieQ]

That's a good question, there's a possibility of it still being etched on his chest I think... It looked like Teague used a special dagger during the "kryptonian ritual" as he called it, and after Chloe frees him there's this flash of light across his chest... The next scene we see him with his jacket on so I really don't know.

Wow, so Monk Teague actually said the words "Kryptonian Ritual"?? How would he know anything about Krypton? This is interesting or a very large plothole!

[Mar-El]

Twitch, I know you mentioned this, but...

Is anyone else a little weirded out how they are portraying Chloe this season? She has referred to Clark as a God several times. The ones that immediately come to mind:

In Cure, she asked him (albeit sarcastically) to come down from Olympus.
In Veritas, she tells Lionel that Clark is the closest he'll ever get to seeing God.
Then there's Quest, where she made mention of the fact that Clark is like a God twice.

I just wonder if the writers are really conscious of this. I would hate to see them portray Chloe as a sort of religious fanatic :(

[Twitch]

Wow, so Monk Teague actually said the words "Kryptonian Ritual"?? How would he know anything about Krypton? This is interesting or a very large plothole!
Yeah apparently he knew all about Jor-El sending Clark to earth. Jor-El was actually the one who sent the cryptograph ((?) I think that's what they called it) to Earth. It was a precaution in case Clark turned against humanity.

[NoSupeForYou]

Superman killing Lex is unheard of. In this alternate reality in Justice League, Superman KILLS president Lex.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hobP_7pPV4s

The TPTB wouldn't kill Lex on Smallville though. He'll just disappear somehow, go to jail/asylum (again), or coma. :p

Not a very smart Superman. He could have just supersped over and ripped his thumb off. How cheesy was that that there's a button in a drawer. What if he puts something in the drawer and accidentally sets the apocalypse off?:rotfl:

Also, why not just fly in through the window?

[mctor]

Wow, so Monk Teague actually said the words "Kryptonian Ritual"?? How would he know anything about Krypton? This is interesting or a very large plothole!


Teague said in the episode that he learned everythig from Dr. Swan, he worked very closely with him

[Twitch]

Twitch, I know you mentioned this, but...

Is anyone else a little weirded out how they are portraying Chloe this season? She has referred to Clark as a God several times. The ones that immediately come to mind:

In Cure, she asked him (albeit sarcastically) to come down from Olympus.
In Veritas, she tells Lionel that Clark is the closest he'll ever get to seeing God.
Then there's Quest, where she made mention of the fact that Clark is like a God twice.

I just wonder if the writers are really conscious of this. I would hate to see them portray Chloe as a sort of religious fanatic :(

Yes thank you! Finally someone who agrees! :lol:

I don't like the way they keep making her do that, just something about it feels very off.

I'm trying to think of the other time she said it in Quest... it was something to do with the Crusades.

[ninthdegree]

Thankyou! Thankyou! and Thankyou! again Richard Marx!

I have to shamefully admit that I love it when they tie him down
and take his clothes off. :D

[NoSupeForYou]

At least that wasn't as stupid as when Knox started to cut open Chloe's chest, but didn't bother to take off her bra.:p
Someone needs to send Teague a pen and some paper. It takes a really sadistic person to carve a huge symbol into someone's chest.

[RepairmanBob]

Originally Posted by Mar-El http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3773057#post3773057)
Twitch, I know you mentioned this, but...

Is anyone else a little weirded out how they are portraying Chloe this season? She has referred to Clark as a God several times. The ones that immediately come to mind:

In Cure, she asked him (albeit sarcastically) to come down from Olympus.
In Veritas, she tells Lionel that Clark is the closest he'll ever get to seeing God.
Then there's Quest, where she made mention of the fact that Clark is like a God twice.

I just wonder if the writers are really conscious of this. I would hate to see them portray Chloe as a sort of religious fanatic :(
I would also add that Chloe was more interested in seducing Jimmy than the fact that Lex has been attacked and cut to pieces. At what does her OOC behavior turn into just WTF behavior?

Thanks for the screen caps Richard Marx!

[Rizarro]

I would also add that Chloe was more interested in seducing Jimmy than the fact that Lex has been attacked and cut to pieces. At what does her OOC behavior turn into just WTF behavior?

Since Lex kidnapped her and her mother for his 33.1 experiments, Chloe started to think the world would be better WITHOUT Lex Luthor.

[ninthdegree]

Carve into his chest, dip him in a vat of kryptonite, swap his soul with Lionel's, I don't
care what it takes to get Clark's shirt off :D

[NoSupeForYou]

All this reminds of the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob was writing threatening letters to Bart in his own blood. Then he collapsed when he started making a to-do list. His cell-mate Snake was like "Use a pen, Bob."

"Use a pen, Ed. It's not as messy."

[RepairmanBob]

Since Lex kidnapped her and her mother for his 33.1 experiments, Chloe started to think the world would be better WITHOUT Lex Luthor.<!-- / message -->Wanting lex dead is one thing and it is debatable if Chloe would even want that in most episodes.

But to be more intrested in banging Jimmy than a potential news story? To think Chimmy sex is more important than a kryptonian symbol carved into Lex? Damn, if the writers are this determined to kill Chloe, just have her get eaten by Krypto-bears and be done with it.

[Alexander III]

Carve into his chest, dip him in a vat of kryptonite, swap his soul with Lionel's, I don't
care what it takes to get Clark's shirt off :D

Calm your horny harmones!! :rotfl::lol:

[curiosity]

Okay...*breathes in and out* Trying to calm down now. As others are trying to talk some sense into me, I'm grudgingly trying to hold off on taking some gasoline to my Smallville DVDs until at least the season finale.

But I swear, in that last scene between Clark and Lex, if it looks like Clark is even THINKING about killing him, I'm setting something on fire.
:confused::confused:

I love Smallville, and I can't wait to see the episode and the next. It's getting better and better, and I'm sooooo excited to see the end of this season and the next. I only wish we could have 10 seasons like xfiles, or was it 9? lol:)

[Mar-El]

I would also add that Chloe was more interested in seducing Jimmy than the fact that Lex has been attacked and cut to pieces. At what does her OOC behavior turn into just WTF behavior?

Thanks for the screen caps Richard Marx!

I also thought that was uncharacteristic of Chloe. All past grievances aside, the Chloe I know would have been on that story like bears on honey (sorry you mentioned krypto bears :p).

She hardly even seemed to care.

[Twitch]

Wanting lex dead is one thing and it is debatable if Chloe would even want that in most episodes.

But to be more intrested in banging Jimmy than a potential news story? To think Chimmy sex is more important than a kryptonian symbol carved into Lex? Damn, if the writers are this determined to kill Chloe, just have her get eaten by Krypto-bears and be done with it.
To be fair to Chloe I'm pretty sure she was trying to seduce Jimmy before she knew about the symbols. She knew Lex had gotten hurt but didn't seem that interested, until he mentioned the symbols... I think that's the way it happened anyways. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Rizarro]

But to be more intrested in banging Jimmy than a potential news story? To think Chimmy sex is more important than a kryptonian symbol carved into Lex? Damn, if the writers are this determined to kill Chloe, just have her get eaten by Krypto-bears and be done with it. You're right. Sorry, I didn't understand your previous statement. Sorry! :\<!-- / message -->

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Sorry for repeating words! tee hee!

[txluvstom]

I don't mean to bring up a sore subject,but was the "L" word spoken by Clark in the episode. And I know you know I don't mean "love" or "Lois".

[Rizarro]

To be fair to Chloe I'm pretty sure she was trying to seduce Jimmy before she knew about the symbols. She knew Lex had gotten hurt but didn't seem that interested, until he mentioned the symbols... I think that's the way it happened anyways. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. That's exactly what I understood from the caps and and the screen caps! Thanks by the way Richard Marx and all of you who contribuited!!!<!-- / message -->

[Twitch]

I don't mean to bring up a sore subject,but was the "L" word spoken by Clark in the episode. And I know you know I don't mean "love" or "Lois".

Umm no I'm pretty sure Lana wasn't mentioned once.

[ninthdegree]

Calm your horny harmones!! :rotfl::lol:

:lol: That's gonna be hard, I'm gonna be foaming at the mouth for the next 24 hours. :p

Wow... now that I think about when is the last time we got to see a full shot of a bare chested Clark? I'm not sure but I think it was....hypnotic.....maybe?

[txluvstom]

Umm no I'm pretty sure Lana wasn't mentioned once.
Well that should make a lot of people happy.:)

[D.M.A.]

This is the line I didn't like coming from Chloe: "Someday you're gonna have to play God."

It just didn't feel right.
That's understandable,but it makes sense.If she says this line then tells clark that at sum point he'll get put in a situation where he has to choose,then I'm not suprise.From the way it sounds,it seems similar to their talk in vessel.How she question if killin lex was the only choice clark had,he didnt answer then either.So I don't mind her throwin these options out to clark,cause who knows lex may force his hand.We kno he wont kill him,but we also kno its possible clark will be put in a situation 1 day where he does play god.Its the reason he feels guilty everytime he CAN'T save sumone imo.Idk,I'm jus not as upset wit her choice of words as sum.I guess cause it reminds me of her remindin clark that he may have to make a choice,jus like in vessel.

[Twitch]

That's understandable,but it makes sense.If she says this line then tells clark that at sum point he'll get put in a situation where he has to choose,then I'm not suprise.From the way it sounds,it seems similar to their talk in vessel.How she question if killin lex was the only choice clark had,he didnt answer then either.So I don't mind her throwin these options out to clark,cause who knows lex may force his hand.We kno he wont kill him,but we also kno its possible clark will be put in a situation 1 day where he does play god.Its the reason he feels guilty everytime he CAN'T save sumone imo.Idk,I'm jus not as upset wit her choice of words as sum.I guess cause it reminds me of her remindin clark that he may have to make a choice,jus like in vessel.
Yes I see what you're saying, and she probably didn't mean it in a bad way, I have to watch it again tomorrow. It just sounded weird that's all. :\

[D.M.A.]

Yes I see what you're saying, and she probably didn't mean it in a bad way, I have to watch it again tomorrow. It just sounded weird that's all. :\
Yea thats understandable,I think many might have done the same.And its probably not as bad as we think...From what it sounds like imo,is her jus tellin clark he might have a tough choice if lex forces his hand.Similar to Vessel,where clark has to choose what would be his best option.Idk tho,I guess we'll get a better idea tomorrow :\

[krpto]

No, I still can't believe it. SUPERMAN should have actually said something. About, you know, how KILLING IS WRONG. Isn't it supposed to be the one thing Superman DOESN'T DO and you just don't MESS WITH THAT???

And, frankly, I expected more of Chloe, for her to say something like, Oh, I don't know, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY and you NEVER HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE???

I'm so livid right now, I can barely type.

I can't believe that they are trying to sell us on the idea that THIS is Superman. And a week after I was given false #@47(&(#$# hope in Apocalypse that they actually got it.

I'm done with this show. Series finale was Apocalypse in my mind, and unless I hear that next season IS actually "a whole new show" in that it actually respects the Superman legend, I'm done with this program. I'll be happy if I can forget in 10 years that it even existed as ANY kind of interpretation on the Superman legend.

Even though I like this http://youtube.com/watch?v=VsNPgWkA86A video I extremely doubt they that they would want to have clark want to kill lex on the show even if dc would let them wich I would be shocked since dc blocks everything else.

I too hope we get a superman like this http://youtube.com/watch?v=RULpkP31t5s

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Quest sounds good we will get mythology and chloe talking about how lex and clark cannot pretend to be friends forever plus clark looking for someone who is violent and not just waiting till they drag him into a fight. Clark does go look for edward right I think I read that.

[Zooks]

so was it edward teague who killed the queens and dr. swann? and if so, why... or did this episode establish that it was really lionel.

[Mar-El]

so was it edward teague who killed the queens and dr. swann? and if so, why... or did this episode establish that it was really lionel.

The episode established it was Lionel. This is why Edward Teague went into hiding - to avoid death.

[Zooks]

that's a shame, considering lionel was in his free from prison good guy mood when Swann died.... although he did manipulate others to find the air stone during this time (though he never tried to take it).

[AChloeChick]

I STILL cannot believe that this guy is Jason's dad and Geneive's (sp?) hubby. He most certainly got his looks and charm from his mom.

Anyway, I enjoy Jensen as Dean on SPN so much more! MoF, I look forward to SPN much more than I do SV any more. At least with them, I'm not completely pissed by the end of each episode nor have I felt the need to chunk the TV out the window.

SPN is almost like a sedative for me after watching SV. Plus, Eric Kripke LISTENS to and RESPECTS his fans unlike Al/Miles blaming fans for being SO jealous of KK's looks.

Tonight my posting theme is this: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

[Alexander III]

I'm thinking that if Jason was alive, for sure he would become bald at age of 30 (hairloss genes from the dad's side)

[Twitch]

So I wonder what happened to Kara... :\

[Thrill_Seeker]

I hate supernatural, its too scary and completely evil, and too demonic, but thats just me, from the sounds of all the people here, this episode looks GREAT !!!!

I cant WAIT to watch it !!! I want to watch it...hmmm, NOW !!!
hehehehehe.

[Mar-El]

I'm thinking that if Jason was alive, for sure he would become bald at age of 30 (hairloss genes from the dad's side)

I thought those genes came from the mother's side? :p

(Seriously, I read that somewhere)

[Alexander III]

So I wonder what happened to Kara... :\

Kara went to find Lois and...u know the rest :lol::rotfl:

[Thrill_Seeker]

So I wonder what happened to Kara... :\

obviously well find out what it is in the next episode

[Twitch]

Kara went to find Lois and...u know the rest :lol::rotfl:

I like this answer the best. :lol:

obviously well find out what it is in the next episode

I know, I wanted to see her in this episode though. :)

[Super_Kara_2007]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way Jade. :( But honestly Clark wasn't bad in this epi, he had a lot of good lines. The only reason they had him not anwser her at the end in my opinion was for dramatic effect and to add 'suspense' if you will, you know Clark would never kill Lex. There's a good scene between Clark and Teague in the church, the message it gives the viewers is that Clark will never resort to killing Lex. That's the reason Teague tries to kill Clark actually, becasue he finds out that Clark has known about Lex's intentions and is surprised that Clark hasn't 'eliminated' him yet. He figures it's too dangerous to have Clark around at all if there's someone out there like Lex who will try to control him. I hope that makes sense, all I'm saying is that Clark didn't look bad in this epi.

I have to admit though that I wasn't too pleased with Chloe in this episode... She twice referred to Clark as a God, and then she suggests at the end to kill Lex... I didn't like it at all.

I would really like to see Clark kill Lex. he would Finally get what he diserves.

[Timester]

I would really like to see Clark kill Lex. he would Finally get what he diserves.

No. Just No.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

Superman killing Lex is unheard of. In this alternate reality in Justice League, Superman KILLS president Lex.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hobP_7pPV4s

The TPTB wouldn't kill Lex on Smallville though. He'll just disappear somehow, go to jail/asylum (again), or coma. :p

And then the Justice Lords became the dictators of Earth. But that's why the Justice Lords are on an alternate reality, the real Superman does not kill, simple as that.

[SueB]

Thanks for the recaps and screencaps -- it was great!

As for Clark killing, I once had Gough respond directly to a question on this I submitted to TV guide. He said they would flirt with it but that he wouldn't kill. Now Gough is generally a lying sack of you know what but I think this is the "flirting" with bit only.

[psyko69]

Superman HAS killed in the past. Do I think Clark should/will kill Lex? No, but it isn't inconceivable for him to kill. He executed Zod once I believe.

I know a lot of people hated Velocity, but in that, Clark did willingly kill Dante (or cause his death) to save Pete. He was very shaken by that, but it goes to show he WILL kill a human under extraordinary circumstances.

Kal-El is a God. He doesn't kill when he can help it because he knows that he will live forever. If he can justify the death of one human, it becomes easier to justify the death of another. If he for one split second allows himself to believe the darkness in humans is to dangerous to justify their salvation, everyones screwed. Kal-El could single handedly exterminate the human race and he knows that. That being said though, in EXTREMELY rare and extraordinary circumstances, he has taken human life.

I am not a huge fan of Frank Miller's Dark Knight series, but the one of the few things I did like, aside from the Superman/Wonder Woman sex that destroyed Hawaii, was Clark's daughter convincing Kal-El to rule. It is an AU, so all in all, it isn't that bad. I just find it cool to see a bit of a change.

[Timester]

Superman HAS killed in the past. Do I think Clark should/will kill Lex? No, but it isn't inconceivable for him to kill. He executed Zod once I believe.

Pocket Universe Zod that killed every single one of Pocket Earth and promised would do the same thing with Earth-1. The story was so bad that DC decided to send Clark on an exile because of the death, so he could fight his internal ghosts.

----- Added 56 Seconds later -----

That being said though, in EXTREMELY rare and extraordinary circumstances, he has taken human life.

Wrong, he never taken human life.

[SueB]

He hasn't taken human life on purpose -- he didn't mean for the car to flip and kill Dante. He was shaken because he caused his death but he didn't premeditated kill.

[Thrill_Seeker]

I know people have an issue with superman killing people, which I think is fine and I sorta agree, but with lex, I feel there is NOTHING wrong if clark has to end up killing him. I dont know everything about the comics, but it seems lex has a valid excuse to be killed (if that makes sense)

[ClarksGal]

No, I still can't believe it. SUPERMAN should have actually said something. About, you know, how KILLING IS WRONG. Isn't it supposed to be the one thing Superman DOESN'T DO and you just don't MESS WITH THAT???

And, frankly, I expected more of Chloe, for her to say something like, Oh, I don't know, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY and you NEVER HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE???

I'm so livid right now, I can barely type.

I can't believe that they are trying to sell us on the idea that THIS is Superman. And a week after I was given false #@47(&(#$# hope in Apocalypse that they actually got it.

I'm done with this show. Series finale was Apocalypse in my mind, and unless I hear that next season IS actually "a whole new show" in that it actually respects the Superman legend, I'm done with this program. I'll be happy if I can forget in 10 years that it even existed as ANY kind of interpretation on the Superman legend.


I love how people get so upset about spoilers, before even watching the show.

[psyko69]

Pocket Universe Zod that killed every single one of Pocket Earth and promised would do the same thing with Earth-1. The story was so bad that DC decided to send Clark on an exile because of the death, so he could fight his internal ghosts.

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Wrong, he never taken human life.

He let Grayson die. It was basically the same thing.

And, as has been established, he did kill Lex in the Justice Lords.

I believe this meets my quota of "EXTREMELY rare" adequately.

[TheLastKryptonian]

Clark never officially kills somebody ON HIS OWN so the writers can get away with it.

Ex: In Gone Clark used heat vision on Lionel's meteor freak assassin while Lois shocked him and killed him "together" even though Lois probably thought she took him out solo.

In Combat Clark punched the sh*t out of Titan and Titan "fell" on his own blade "killing himself". Martha and Clark even had a conversation about this.

In an interview, I remember Al Gough saying that whether Clark can actually kill someone brings up good debates in the writers room, since in the comics Superman has gotten away with some "minor killing" yet the code is he doesn't kill. Ex: In one story I believe he used kryptonite to kill Zod.

Oh yeah Superman DID KILL Doomsday! I know it was a life and death situation and Doomsday was killing innocent people but they did both kill each other. ;)

So YES, Superman has taken a life before. :)

[Chrisluvstommy]

Alright, if you guys want it that badly :) :

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HELLO!!!!! Mmmmm so yummy

[lauraforever]

Love the replies! Yeah, they could be doing some really nice Klois things..... or they're sipping a latte and gossiping about Clark?

[Jade4813]

I love how people get so upset about spoilers, before even watching the show.

I watch spoilers so I know if I should watch the show. And when I hear it from several different sources, WHO ARE WATCHING THE SHOW AT THAT TIME, I take it as being true.

Do you think my TV will transmit a scene differently than it does everyone else?

Edit: And not that I feel like I need to repeat myself, but IMO, Superman doesn't kill. And if they're going to bring up the possibility that he might have to, he should be fighting that. And Chloe should be helping him do so. If they're going to have her try to console him with the thought that he might have to, they should take the thirty seconds to have her comfort him that they're going to try to find another way. She should be acting like...well...Dumbledore, frankly. "You always have a choice, Clark. Always. And if it comes down to a battle between you and Lex, than the only thing you can do is make the best choice you can under the circumstances. But I have faith in you, Clark, that you'll find other options because you always have a choice. I know when it comes time, you'll do the right thing."

I just can't condone "Superman" even thinking about killing as a viable and possibly even acceptable option. And I can't condone Chloe being okay with that thought, since I think, at least, that that's not what Chloe's character is all about.

[Twitch]

Clark to Chloe: You woke me up because someone hurt Lex?


Did anyone else laugh out loud at this line? :lol:

[RichardMarx]

Edit: And not that I feel like I need to repeat myself, but IMO, Superman doesn't kill. And if they're going to bring up the possibility that he might have to, he should be fighting that. And Chloe should be helping him do so. If they're going to have her try to console him with the thought that he might have to, they should take the thirty seconds to have her comfort him that they're going to try to find another way. She should be acting like...well...Dumbledore, frankly. "You always have a choice, Clark. Always. And if it comes down to a battle between you and Lex, than the only thing you can do is make the best choice you can under the circumstances. But I have faith in you, Clark, that you'll find other options because you always have a choice. I know when it comes time, you'll do the right thing."

I just can't condone "Superman" even thinking about killing as a viable and possibly even acceptable option. And I can't condone Chloe being okay with that thought, since I think, at least, that that's not what Chloe's character is all about.

Which "Superman" doesn't kill? The Superman from the movies, TV shows, or comics? Yes the Superman from the movies and TV shows hasn't killed anyone, but not from the comics. He used to kill bad guys (humans) and aliens. I don't think Smallville's Clark would purposely kill anyone, but he was raised human, with human emotions and unfortunately, humans do kill. But I don't think Clark would ever kill Lex because they were once best friends. And future Lex doesn't reveal that Clark is Superman for the same reason.

[Jade4813]

Hey, if you're cool with a Superman who kills, then that's fine RichardMarx. I said I'm not cool with it and I can't condone it. No, the Superman from the story that captured my attention, imagination, and heart over 20 years ago Doesn't Kill. If you're fine with one who does, by all means, enjoy the show if they have Clark doing it. I said I can't condone it and I can't watch the show if that's the direction they go in. I never said you or anyone else had to follow suit, and I wasn't casting aspersions on anyone who has no problem with it.

Yes, I recognize that Superman has killed a couple of times in the past. I recognize that the writers have, on occasion over the course of 70 years, taken the characters in a direction that I neither believe in nor found particularly in character. Just as X-Men once had a story arc wherein all the X-Men decided to abandon Gambit to die in the Arctic, and I thought that was a fair bit of OOCness from all the X-Men.

Yes, comics do occasionally go directions that I don't think are particularly right or IC. Every comic does it at some point or other. But except for a couple of exceptions, I don't think Superman kills, and I think the major trend in his character over several decades is that "Superman Doesn't Kill. Period." And I'm not alone, as didn't one of the writers of the more recent comic, who was supposed to revamp Superman, say that the most important thing for him, the one thing he simply couldn't move away from, is that Superman doesn't kill. Period.

If you're cool with a Smallville presenting the idea that Superman isn't necessarily adverse to killing, that's fine. I'm not telling you that you have to think differently. I'm also not telling you to stop watching smallville.

But I can't condone the idea, I can't get past how WRONG I think it is, so if that's the direction they decide to go in, I can't watch the show any longer. If they go in that direction and you're fine with Superman being that way because, yes, he's killed a few times in the past, then continue to enjoy the show! By all means!

[RichardMarx]

Jade maybe you didn't read what I posted. I never said I was "cool with a Superman who kills". You said Superman doesn't kill, I just wanted to clarify. When you say "Superman" doesn't kill, are you referring to the idea of Superman, or a particular Superman. I personally like Superman because he has all the amazing powers and chooses to use them for good. He can so easily steal, hurt, cause mayhem, and murder, but he doesn't. And Smalville's Clark isn't Superman yet. I don't understand why you're getting so upset. It's obvious that Clark won't kill Lex, even if he's tempted to. Last season he had the choice whether or not to kill Lex (as Zod), but he didn't.

[Jade4813]

I read your post, hon. And I do recognize that Clark won't kill Lex in Smallville. I'm not mad because I think they'll do it. I'm mad because I think that they're showing that he may be okay with the idea.

I'm mad because we've seen Clark kill in the past (or even doing things that one presumes would kill and we never find out one way or another whether the person died or not - tossing people around like rubber balls). Intentionally or no, there's at least three people (well, one Zoner, technically, but still) I can think of off the top of my head that Clark had a hand in killing. And we've never really seen any scene where he comes to grips with that, with the idea that, hey, you know, killing is wrong. That with his powers, it would just be oh so easy for him to kill all of his enemies and "make the world a better place" or whatnot, but that there's a line he can never afford to cross. And I think, at least, that we can agree that this is an integral part of the character, right?

Okay, so...fine...so I can grudgingly accept what he's "accidentally" done in the past because it's not planned ahead of time and, yeah, maybe with Wes he didn't realize how powerful his heat vision could be, and so on and so forth. I'm not happy about it, but I've always assumed that he WASN'T okay with what happened, that he regretted it, and that he wished that there had been another way. And that he was learning to take care of problems in a way that didn't risk someone even accidentally dying. And I've tried very hard to convince myself of this or I'd have stopped watching the show a long time ago.

But now it seems like he's thinking about the possibility that he might have to kill Lex AHEAD of time, like almost a premeditated event. And yes, I KNOW Clark's not going to kill Lex because Lex must live on. But I have a huge, HUGE problem with him sitting there and in any WAY talking with Chloe and the two of them being like, "Yup. Might have to kill Lex. Okay, as long as that's settled."

Yes, I know he's not Superman yet either, but he is supposed to be the man who will become Superman, right? And, I'm sorry, but I don't think that the man who will become Superman should EVER reconcile himself to the fact that he might have to kill. Where's the line, there? If it's okay for him today, when's it going to NOT be an acceptable idea? Is the simple act of putting on the suit going to change his perspective on the idea that killing, even to serve the greater good, is wrong? Or does meeting Batman do it somehow? Because I always thought that this was an issue that Batman and Superman didn't see eye-to-eye on, so maybe in some sort of reverse psychology way, Batman forces Superman to see the light?

I don't care that he won't kill Lex because he CAN'T for the story. I have a problem with any idea that maybe he WOULD...(or even MIGHT) if the story ending weren't already written. I have a problem with the man who's SUPPOSED to be Superman - yes, in the future (but, let's face it, not THAT FAR in the future) thinking that maybe killing someone is acceptable. Preparing himself AHEAD OF TIME with the thought that he might end up "having" to kill Lex - as opposed to fighting against that idea and trying to find any other way to deal with the situation that wouldn't resort to murder. And I have a HUGE problem with the fact that, again, I can't help but mentally compare this scene to the one between Harry Potter and Dumbledore and thinking that, oddly, HARRY behaved more heroically that "Pre-Superman" (who will become, presumably in one short year, the Superhero of all Superheroes). Because at least Harry Potter, when faced with that choice, fought against it. And one could argue that Voldemort was at that point MORE evil than Lex is right at this current second.

Oh, and you're right. He didn't choose to kill Lex last season. So why are they even HINTING at a regression this season? Hinting that maybe he's CLOSER to being okay with the thought of killing Lex this season than he was last? Shouldn't it be the other way around, if presented at all? Because I don't recall hearing about him putting up a fight in "Quest" so unless it was one of those deleted scenes, it didn't exist. A scene in which he protested, "No, I refused to kill Lex when I knew he was going to be Zod and try to destroy the world! I'm not doing it now! We'll find another way!" Because I think all we got was a stare. Which isn't exactly a protest, you know?

So, yeah, I have a huge problem with Harry Potter actually seeming to be closer to being the Superman that I've known and loved for over 20 years now. Yes, I recognize that he's killed in the past on very rare occasion, but the character who captured my heart doesn't kill. In the same way that the Professor X I love doesn't purposely invade people's minds and force them to do things (although he's done it a couple times in the comics). The same way the Storm I love isn't okay with killing people (although she once ripped out someone's still-beating heart). And so on and so forth. You may consider that a contradiction, I don't know. That if he does it once, then it shows that it's part of the character that the idea shouldn't be so utterly repugnant and offensive to me.

But I think in 70 years, they've fought to show a character who DOESN'T KILL much more than there have been a handful of issues in which he's done so. And so, in my mind, I stand by the idea that "SUPERMAN DOESN'T KILL" and my belief in that is unwavering in the knowledge that he's done so in maybe a dozen (I'll be generous) issues of Superman comics out of the...what...THOUSANDS (or more) that have been printed.

[Atomic girl]

Even though I like this http://youtube.com/watch?v=VsNPgWkA86A video I extremely doubt they that they would want to have clark want to kill lex on the show even if dc would let them wich I would be shocked since dc blocks everything else.While I can't really condone Superman killing anyone, this video was done really well, and......I might have to see that movie.....