VOTE! Who killed Gina?

[smallvillelogan]

Lex, in a premature move that he will regret?
Lionel, protecting Clark and knowing in advance he would have to?
Somebody else?

[Alicia Chipy]

Ha!
Got to be the first voter...I say Lex will win by a landslide.

[minerva73]

Somebody else. Maybe the person wasn't hired by the Luthors for this mission, but was doing this because they too have been watching Clark for a while and knew that he was in danger.

[AndiGirl]

I kind of thought it was the martian man hunter...I mean, unless I missed something, isnt he still out there??? Just a thought..

[minerva73]

I kind of thought it was the martian man hunter...I mean, unless I missed something, isnt he still out there??? Just a thought..

I never thought of that... It makes sense too. Maybe he's been watching this situation and since Lionel's dead, he's probably taken over his spot as Clark's protector...but he's doing it from afar.

[MrZeppo]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them. Everytime she was in the scene with him, addressed him as "Lex", talking about "we did it" and "no one will ever know", blah blah blah, I knew Lex was going to have her taken care of.

The sad thing is I think she was so devoted to him because she was romanticizing their relationship. That's why she didn't just say Clark's name on the voicemail. She wanted to be there personally in front of Lex to feel his appreciation, or so she thought. I bet Lex is going to be mighty pissed when he hears that voicemail. He'll prolly go, "Crap, I shouldn't have ordered a hit on her!" And btw, there are several ways to track people. Cell phone, Lojack on her car (I'm guessing it is the Lojack system on her car. If it was a Luthorcorp vehicle, then Lex would be able to track it.).

He didn't care about her. Their relationship was purely business. As soon as she started overstepping her paygrade, treating him with a level of familiarity that she shouldn't have, she was doomed. She started acting like she was on equal footing with Lex Luthor, and there was no way he could have that.

Between that and her personal knowledge of his dealings she was dead, she just didn't know it yet.

[MRluvr]

would MM have just coldly killed her like that though? I think it was Lex, and when he plays back the message, he is gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad. ;)

[Alexander III]

Brianiac. Hahaha, no.

[Vergon6]

Lex, completely, Lex.

[AndiGirl]

I never thought of that... It makes sense too. Maybe he's been watching this situation and since Lionel's dead, he's probably taken over his spot as Clark's protector...but he's doing it from afar.

Thats what I thought....he new clarks secret would be revealed to a very dangerous man so he took action.

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would MM have just coldly killed her like that though? I think it was Lex, and when he plays back the message, he is gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad. ;)

If MM thought it was the only way to protect Clark...i think he would. Thats the reason i think it wasnt Lex. He wouldnt just kill her...then be like "whoops, she found out more! Darn!" He is more precise then that....it just doesnt fit for me.

[LexLuv180]

I never thought of Lex. It doesn't really fit to me, because he's always looking for those loyal assistants to help in his dirty work. I keep thinking of it was something Lionel or someone else who knows about the traveler set up. We shall see..

[AndiGirl]

Yes...it didnt work for me either. Granted, Gina was getting way too comfortable by Lex's side...but she was proving her worth. I dont think he would get rid of her until he was sure her use had run out.

[smallvillelogan]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them.

The sad thing is I think she was so devoted to him because she was romanticizing their relationship. That's why she didn't just say Clark's name on the voicemail. She wanted to be there personally in front of Lex to feel his appreciation, or so she thought.

He didn't care about her. Their relationship was purely business. As soon as she started overstepping her paygrade, treating him with a level of familiarity that she shouldn't have, she was doomed. She started acting like she was on equal footing with Lex Luthor, and there was no way he could have that.

Between that and her personal knowledge of his dealings she was dead, she just didn't know it yet.

Just more evidence that the completely evil Lex Luthor has arrived! No one can expect to be on equal footing with him without his consent.

The tracking thing is true as well. He could have tracked Gina in a similar way to the way he tracked Kara to Detroit.

[AlwaysRight]

i will go with Edward Teague

[smallvillelogan]

i will go with Edward Teague

Possible. After all, both Chloe in 'Veritas' and Clark tonight only mentioned the deaths of Virgil Swann and the Queens. At first I believed that they said it this way just because they have been more prominent in the show than Edward Teague was. But perhaps the writers have intentionally not had Chloe or Clark saying Edward Teague as well because perhaps he is in fact alive. Who knows if that is true, that would be cool.

[LoveHurts38]

Lex by far.

[susangail]

Lex; I agree with MrZeppo. Lex was bothered by her familiarity, and she pretty much nailed her own coffin when she referred to his role in Lionel's death.

[BWOracle]

IMO The man we saw on screen kill Gina was none other than Edward Teague himself.

He was approximately the same age as Lionel and looked similar to Edward Teague as he appeared in Veritas. He was actually the one who sent Lionel the letters that prompted Lionel to cage Clark. Patricia Swann didn't threaten Lionel until after he had already received the letters. He received his first letter during the Hero episode which we saw in his office with the wax seal.

He may prove pivotal by season's end.

[AndiGirl]

Thats actually an excellent theory...and didnt I hear spoilers about them casting someone to play Edward Teague in the future?? Maybe not....but I think so.

[cloisinmyheart]

wow i voted lionel but after reading all these posts i'm convinced its lex

lex would never allow an assistant to gain that much knowledge, especially one that he hired and one that he pays, as opposed to a close friend or relative. how can he trust gina when he cant trust anyone else

i agree that the moment she put her hand on his shoulder for the 2nd time at the daily planet, she was done for. the first time she did it, he appreciated it and held her hand but drew it back shortly afterwards. at the daily planet, he just looked at it like 'what do you think youre doing'

anyways. i propose its lex

[Billy Jor-El]

Shelby

[cloisinmyheart]

but then again..the edward teague theory is fascinating.

it's odd to me that they didn't mention him much when jason and genevieve were at smallville. i always assumed he was dead since it was just the son and the mother, did they mention him at all in season 4?

[BWOracle]

but then again..the edward teague theory is fascinating.

it's odd to me that they didn't mention him much when jason and genevieve were at smallville. i always assumed he was dead since it was just the son and the mother, did they mention him at all in season 4?

When Lex first met Jason in the hospital when Lana was kissed by the acne girl, Lex mentioned the name of a law firm and Jason said, yeah, that's my fathers.

In Commencement, Lex said Edward Teague would go to any length to prove that Lana would be convicted of Mrs. Teague's murder.

[bl24ndon]

I thought it was Lex. When Clark said that he had evidence proving that Lex killed Lionel I figured Lex jumped to the conclusion that the proof was Gina since she was the only one else who found out, thus getting her killed.

[Smit6178]

After reading the Quest official description I think it is the remaining survivor of the Veritas group or someone connected to him or her.

[LoisL]

Thought it was a very clever twist and immediately assumed it was Lex who arranged Gina's death since it'd be more poetic.

I think that he made up his mind to kill her because he knew she knew he'd killed Lionel; without knowing about Chloe, Jimmy, & Lois (Gina didn't want to disturb Lex with the info), he could assume she was the only loose ends.

What I found so cool about it is that while watching the ep, I was like C'mon are we gonna have a fotw in an episode in which Lex just killed his father?? (Fotw as in villain only) It just seemed unneccessary and like she was stealing Lex's evil thunder. But then, having Lex kill her so coldly at the end, it did a good job of emphasizing how evil he is and the fact that we don't need a fotw: Lex is the villain of this story! Also illustrated how self-defeating Lex's evil is; Gina had valuable info on the Traveler -but Lex, having always to do things the bad way, missed out on his chance.

[ClareKent]

Since Clark's future was in danger, I say it was one of Lionel's assistants.

[dru-zod2501]

I kind of thought it was the martian man hunter...I mean, unless I missed something, isnt he still out there??? Just a thought..
depends, does he have a rule against killing? that would be the difference between yes & no, and we just don't know enough about him

[LexLuv180]

I think based on future spoilers it wasn't Lex.

[Drew]

While it could and probably was Lex, when watching the episode, I assumed it was Lionel who had a backup plan.

[jazel]

LEX, or LIONEL ???
It was Lois !!!:p

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Lionel, OR Lex

[Autumn]

It can't be Lex IMO because Gina was useful to him. Plus, she discovered who the traveler was. I don't think Lex would have prematurely killed her. To me, it seemed pretty obvious that it was some kind of rogue guardian of the traveler (Clark). And it's probably Edward Teague. I agree with the people above. The Teague's have proven to have questionable morals, and Edward might be kind of like Lionel. He's morally gray, but feels it's part of his duty to protect the traveler. He also probably wants some of the power. But, even if it's not Teague, then it's someone else who's protecting the secret.

The writing in that scene, made me think that she was killed because she discovered the secret.

[Vergon6]

It can't be Lex IMO because Gina was useful to him. Plus, she discovered who the traveler was. I don't think Lex would have prematurely killed her. To me, it seemed pretty obvious that it was some kind of rogue guardian of the traveler (Clark). And it's probably Edward Teague. I agree with the people above. The Teague's have proven to have questionable morals, and Edward might be kind of like Lionel. He's morally gray, but feels it's part of his duty to protect the traveler. He also probably wants some of the power. But, even if it's not Teague, then it's someone else who's protecting the secret.

The writing in that scene, made me think that she was killed because she discovered the secret.
There was no proof that Lex had heard the message before she was offed. In fact, she left the message shortly before her death. Obviously he either wasn't around to hear it or had his phone off (if it was his cell phone) before she was killed.

[jordeant1200]

had to be one of lionels or other. lex had no reason to kill her and she had valuable info that coulda told him who the traveler was

[4Clana]

I'm thinking Teague. Can't be Lex because he would get all the info out of her before offing her. Can't be Lionel, because what a useless assistant letting him die.

[GuardianAngel]

It was Lex. He simply didn't want anyone to know what he did to Lionel, he didn't want her to have any leverage on him (I'm sure he didn't like the way she was touching him and was so interested in the keys) and he only trusts himself.

But wait till he listens to her last message in his voicemail! :lol:

[MrZeppo]

If you're convinced it wasn't Lex because you think he would have waited to get the info from killing her then that doesn't make sense.

She only left the message about the ID of the Traveler mere seconds before she was killed. If Lex ordered the hit, he couldn't have known she had that info, so it can't be taken into account.

If he ordered the hit then he wasn't expecting anymore useful information from her. If you look at it from Lex's POV, he had both keys, he knew where the vault was, she was acting wayyyy too familiar, plus she knew about his dirty dealing, as far as he could have percieved, her usefulness was at an end. It just makes sense. She served her purpose in his eyes and he ordered a hit, not knowing she was taking care of the photo issue (he didn't know about it, remember, he was surprised when Clark said he had proof), and that she knew the Traveler's ID. It's ironic and poetic. Lex finally had someone he could trust and rely on, and he killed her.

And Lionel would never have told anyone Clark's secret, much less a lackey, so it couldn't be one of his henchmen. And even if he did, why order Gina's death, he couldn't have possibley known she would find out about Clark.

And I doubt it was anyone from Veritas because she literally found out about Clark's secret moments before she was killed. No surviving member could suddenly know she knew about Clark.

I'm sorry, but for me no othe culprit besides Lex makes sense. Logic points to Lex Luthor being the mastermind, it is just too poetic not to be. I wouldn't be surprised if Lex ordered a hit as soon as he left her at the DP.

[j-kent]

when watching I though about all possible options...could be any of those...although I am highly inclined that it was Lex....

After Lex fired Chloe there was a big foreshadow when Gina told Lex, "We did it, Lex...". Lex's look gave it all away right there. Similar to the claim for his father..."he wanted the traveler all to himself".

[Karafan1]

My guess is it's the same guy who killed Patricia Swann

[j-kent]

yeah lex...

[X-Terminator]

It was not Lex that ordered a hit on Gina. I think the writers made it seem like it could be him. The way Gina was acting around Lex and the things she knew about his involvement Lionels death would have certainly earned her the Patricia Swann treatment from Lex, but that's not what she got. Whoever killed Gina made it look like an accident (putting on the seatbelt and glasses). Lex just would have her executed and make the body dissapear (like he did with Patricia Swann).

Furthermore, Gina was still proving herself loyal and useful to him. If Lex had her tracked in order to make the hit, don't you think he would find it suspicous that she was at the Isis foundation? Wouldn't he want to know what she was doing there first, before killing her? Another point is that in the scene right after Gina's murder, Lex is using his cellphone. Wouldn't he have gotten Gina's message and realize his mistake then? (Although that could be explained if the events in the scenes did not take place in the same order they were shown).

I am thinking that Gina's killer is someone involved with Veritas, probably Edward Teague, and that he has been watching from the sidelines for a while now. When he found out that Gina knew the identity of the traveller, he killed her and made it look like an accident so Lex would not become suspicious of his involvement (although I think will become suspicious about her death anyway once he hears her message).

[moody12381]

I think Lex did it as well. He didn't know she was investigating those meddling kids with the photos and he had the key. She fulfilled her duties.

[ChlarkMe]

I think it was Edward Teague or someone close to him.

[Thrill_Seeker]

people, maybe its that surviving member of veritas, that appears in quest.
its not lex or lionel. they focused on the mans face and his style was alot different.
paralyzing ??
luthors wouldnt take that chance, it'd be a straight bullet to the head.
I know that not the most sturdiest argument, but i really dont think its a luthor.

[jaime,oburg]

Lex, in a premature decision to rid her before she outlasted her usefulness. I would have said that Lex was slipping a bit on the decision to have Gina killed before getting everything out of his latest minion who overestimated her importance to him as an allie......But he couldn't stomach* her knowing he murdered his father. She had something to hold over his head, even though she may not have ever explored that piece of insurance.* His first, however ill concieved thought was no loose ends. Which is typical of how Lex usually handles things when covering his tracks. He'll soon regret his premature actions. The look on Lex's face when he finds out Gina was going to tell him the identity of the Traveler will no doubt be brilliantly protrayed by MR.

[Silent Kal]

I'm voting Lex, and I agree with jaime that it was a premature decision. In fact, this was the one scene i was dying (no pun intended) to see at the end of Descent:

Lex settles back in his leather chair, scotch in hand, when he gets a call from his hired gun. "It's done, sir." Lex hangs up and then sees there's one voicemail. We hear Gina's voice as he listens to the message, his self-satisfied grin twisting into a horrified grimace. From the depths of his gut, Lex begins to bellow, "NnnoooooooOOoOOOOO!!!" He flings the phone and scotch across the room, and in a fit of rage, begins smashing things. After a few minutes of awesome Baum-smashing, Lex finally stops, breathing ragged, surveys the wreckage around him, then straightens up, maybe twists his head to the side to crack his neck, and regains control of himself.

I really wanted to see Lex tripped up by his own impetuous nature. Oh well, I guess that happened in Offscreenville (like Lois finding out about Grant!).

[WickedJenn]

Ugh, I'm undecided on this still...here's my reasoning:

I think Lex *most likely* had Gina killed because she knew too much. Remember what Clark had said in season 5 when Lionel knew his secret...he wouldn't want to level the playing field by telling Lex. So, though Lex doesn't know Clark's secret...he still has certain knowledge in regards to Veritas and the keys. HE wouldn't want to "level the playing field" with anyone else.

However, now that I say all that...I'm wondering something. At the end of the episode Clark was in the barn with Chloe, going through all the people who died, basically to protect his secret. HAD someone else seen that Gina found out about Clark's secret? Remember the last thing she said to Lex (presumably) was "I know who the Traveler is" and RIGHT after that, she's killed? Had she lived, she for sure would've told Lex the Traveler was Clark (I'd assume), and wouldn't Lex want to know WHO it is exactly? Wouldn't he have killed her after he found that out? That would make more sense to me.

Is it possible that Lionel had this woman followed or tracked without us seeing it prior? Maybe in Offscreenville? You know how he'd go to great lengths to keep Clark's secret. Just a theory...

So until I know for sure, I'm going to stay in the middle.

[Humdinger]

Lex killed her - or rather she brought about her own death by being stupid enough to let Lex know he killed Lionel. After working with him for so long you'd think she'd be smart enough not to let him know just how much she knew. Really dumb.

[GuardianAngel]

Ugh, I'm undecided on this still...here's my reasoning:

I think Lex *most likely* had Gina killed because she knew too much. Remember what Clark had said in season 5 when Lionel knew his secret...he wouldn't want to level the playing field by telling Lex. So, though Lex doesn't know Clark's secret...he still has certain knowledge in regards to Veritas and the keys. HE wouldn't want to "level the playing field" with anyone else.

However, now that I say all that...I'm wondering something. At the end of the episode Clark was in the barn with Chloe, going through all the people who died, basically to protect his secret. HAD someone else seen that Gina found out about Clark's secret? Remember the last thing she said to Lex (presumably) was "I know who the Traveler is" and RIGHT after that, she's killed? Had she lived, she for sure would've told Lex the Traveler was Clark (I'd assume), and wouldn't Lex want to know WHO it is exactly? Wouldn't he have killed her after he found that out? That would make more sense to me.

Is it possible that Lionel had this woman followed or tracked without us seeing it prior? Maybe in Offscreenville? You know how he'd go to great lengths to keep Clark's secret. Just a theory...

So until I know for sure, I'm going to stay in the middle.

You're forgetting that she didn't talk to Lex. She left a message in his voicemail and the killer was there waiting for her, so we can assume he had already received instructions from Lex to kill her.

[WickedJenn]

I guess again, what I don't get is, voicemail or not, wouldn't Lex want to know who the Traveler is before getting rid of Gina?

[GuardianAngel]

I guess again, what I don't get is, voicemail or not, wouldn't Lex want to know who the Traveler is before getting rid of Gina?

It's a voicemail. She starts the call by saying: "Hi Lex. It's Gina. Please call me back."

Between the moment she hangs up and when she is caught by the killer only 6 seconds go by. Even if Lex had listened to her message immediately, he wouldn't have had the time to cancel his order to kill her.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Edward Teague. The last surviving member of the Veritas club

[Kal-ed]

i will go with Edward Teague


TA

[WickedJenn]

It's a voicemail. She starts the call by saying: "Hi Lex. It's Gina. Please call me back."

Between the moment she hangs up and when she is caught by the killer only 6 seconds go by. Even if Lex had listened to her message immediately, he wouldn'd have had the time to cancel his order to kill her.

Yes, yes, I got that it's a voicemail now lol.

But she also said "I know who the Traveler is." I remember her saying that.

[GuardianAngel]

^She did. In the voicemail message she left. The complete message was:

"Hi Lex, it's Gina. Please call me back. I've found who you've been searching for. I know who the traveler is."

Just wait till Lex listens to that message. He'll flip from his chair! :lol:

[WickedJenn]

^She did. In the voicemail message she left. The complete message was:

"Hi Lex, it's Gina. Please call me back. I've found who you've been searching for. I know who the traveler is."

Just wait till Lex listens to that message. He'll flip from his chair! :lol:

Ah ok, now with the whole thing there, it makes more sense.

This has been a bad week for me, so my brain's still on the fuzzy side :\

Yeah, he definitely will! :lol: I'm still not quite sure that it was Lex who had her done in, especially with that voicemail she left him.

[Joelito]

Other or Lionel :\

[dunkman]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them. Everytime she was in the scene with him, addressed him as "Lex", talking about "we did it" and "no one will ever know", blah blah blah, I knew Lex was going to have her taken care of.

The sad thing is I think she was so devoted to him because she was romanticizing their relationship. That's why she didn't just say Clark's name on the voicemail. She wanted to be there personally in front of Lex to feel his appreciation, or so she thought. I bet Lex is going to be mighty pissed when he hears that voicemail. He'll prolly go, "Crap, I shouldn't have ordered a hit on her!" And btw, there are several ways to track people. Cell phone, Lojack on her car (I'm guessing it is the Lojack system on her car. If it was a Luthorcorp vehicle, then Lex would be able to track it.).

He didn't care about her. Their relationship was purely business. As soon as she started overstepping her paygrade, treating him with a level of familiarity that she shouldn't have, she was doomed. She started acting like she was on equal footing with Lex Luthor, and there was no way he could have that.

Between that and her personal knowledge of his dealings she was dead, she just didn't know it yet.

You explained it well, & I think you're right. When I was watching it I thought maybe it was someone else in Veritas that we don't know yet, & I thought, "Man, isn't the story complicated enough?" but it makes more sense that Lex killed her because she figured out that he killed Lionel. Lex probably knew about Jimmy's picture (he just knows about things like that) so he waited for her to destroy it, but if he knew what she saw he would've waited a little longer! Of course, Lex can't know about that, so she had to die. I mean, one can only have his memory erased so many times!

[Jaderoyale]

Lex.

Bet he wishes he hadn't now, when he finds out she found out who the traveler is.

[dunkman]

I kind of thought it was the martian man hunter...I mean, unless I missed something, isnt he still out there??? Just a thought..

Yeah, J'onn is still out there, but he won't kill anyone! Remember how he counseled Clark when Clark was thinking about killing someone?
Still, the convenient thing about the Martian Manhunter is that he's a shapeshifter, so they can get anyone to play him! But it wasn't this time.

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Possible. After all, both Chloe in 'Veritas' and Clark tonight only mentioned the deaths of Virgil Swann and the Queens. At first I believed that they said it this way just because they have been more prominent in the show than Edward Teague was. But perhaps the writers have intentionally not had Chloe or Clark saying Edward Teague as well because perhaps he is in fact alive. Who knows if that is true, that would be cool.

Is Edward Teague still alive? If so, it probably was him! (Hmm... I'm contradicting myself. I guess I don't know who it was!)

[All about Clark]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them. Everytime she was in the scene with him, addressed him as "Lex", talking about "we did it" and "no one will ever know", blah blah blah, I knew Lex was going to have her taken care of.

Yes, she was killed IMO for saying "WE DID IT LEX", ha the girl wasn't smart, she should have said "YOU DID IT LEX". She was doomed as soon as she took credit.

[dunkman]

On the other hand, if it was someone trying to protect Clark's secret, such as Edward Teague (if he is indeed the remaining member of Veritas), why would he have been following Gina in the first place? Lex had the motive. But they showed this guy's face, & he looked like I would expect Edward Teague to look like! I guess we'll have to wait & find out...

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

aaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggh, i cant decide!! its a mystery!

[__jb]

If MM thought it was the only way to protect Clark...i think he would. Thats the reason i think it wasnt Lex. He wouldnt just kill her...then be like "whoops, she found out more! Darn!" He is more precise then that....it just doesnt fit for me.He killed his father without looking to see if the key was there...

[AndrewVDk]

I don't care who killed her! I'm just mad that they did it! :mad:
I really liked her! :(

[WickedJenn]

On the other hand, if it was someone trying to protect Clark's secret, such as Edward Teague (if he is indeed the remaining member of Veritas), why would he have been following Gina in the first place? Lex had the motive. But they showed this guy's face, & he looked like I would expect Edward Teague to look like! I guess we'll have to wait & find out...

I have a theory that ever since Lex found out about Veritas, Lionel's been keeping tabs on him in one form or another. Perhaps Lionel knew that Edward Teague was alive, OR, someone that worked for him and was passing info along in regards to Gina. If Lionel wanted Clark's secret protected and the Traveler info kept as under wraps as possible...then it'd make sense to have someone watch Gina closely.

[dru-zod2501]

after reading the Quest description, I think it was the last veritas member who offed her. That and they didn't show any kind of connection to Lex afterward, like they did with Grulian's murder

[Kevin24]

I don't think it's Lex who had Gina killed. If it was Lex who killed Gina wouldn't he have tried to kill Clark too?

In the mansion Clark told Lex that he knew he killed Lionel and that he had proof of it. Everyones is backing up their theory by saying he killed Gina because she knew too much, well that's true with Clark as well!

Lex didn't try to kill Clark so in my opinion he didn't kill Gina either. IF he did actually called the hit on her, then why wouldn't he do the same for Clark? what would stop him from killing Clark?

[chlo-el]

The other member of Vertias. Either that or one of Lionel's assistants. It doesn't make sense that Lex would have her killed he wants to know who the traveler is.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I don't care who killed her! I'm just mad that they did it! :mad:
I really liked her! :(

I liked her too! evil Gina fit really well with Lex! Lex needs a sidekick.

I think it was Edward Teague or another vessel for Jor-El.

[RobX666]

My gut instinct tells me it was Lex. I think Gina knew too much and now that Lex has both keys she was expendable. Plus, they showed the killer's face. He looked like a typical Lex goon. I think if they wanted to create some mystery about a surviving member of Veritas, they wouldn't have shown his face. Maybe his point of view or something. Another thing is the timing of her death. She literaly just found out who the traveler was and left Lex a voicemail. I'm sure Lex had her followed after he left the Daily Planet. He had the oppertunity since she stayed behind to clean out Chloe's desk. Besides, why would this "surviving" member of Veritas be following Gina? As far as anyone is concerned, she didn't really know anything besides things concerning Lex. The fact that she just tried to call Lex and tell him the news and then she is killed makes it seem to easy. Now, this being said I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be someone hired by the Veritas survivor, I just don't think it is.

[TigerLily83]

I voted for Other, because it's just not concrete (in my head) enough for me to say either Lex or Lionel... however, I hope to high heaven it was Lex because when he hears that voicemail message he's going to think he's the BDA ever for doing it so soon and that would make me laugh like hell.

[neo0721]

i think its the remaining veritas mbr that carves the kryptonian symbols onto to lex's chest

[CjAtK344]

I say it was edward teague...they say he was poisoned but was he really? maybe not and maybe he was looking after clark

[berniepooh]

Gina knew too much!

[Kevin24]

what is "BDA" I have no idea what that is. I've seen it used alot throughout this site but I could never figure out what it stood for...

Off topic sorry

[jojojones]

You can obviously think of Lex but why would he kill her before she told him about what she heard about Clark? Then again, there was no acknowledgment in the episode that Lex ever got that phone message so maybe he killed her prematurely?

I'm voting for someone else because it makes for a more interesting story...certainly a Lionel "helper" doesn't do much to move the story along since the guy is dead now....

[queenelizabeth]

I really was puzzled by this scene. Maybe it was Lex, and now he is kicking himself for killing her before getting her info, or maybe it was Lionel acting from beyond the grave.
Or maybe it is someone connected to Veritas or Oliver Queen...?

[dru-zod2501]

what is "BDA" I have no idea what that is. I've seen it used alot throughout this site but I could never figure out what it stood for...

Off topic sorry
Big Dumb Alien

[dunkman]

I have a theory that ever since Lex found out about Veritas, Lionel's been keeping tabs on him in one form or another. Perhaps Lionel knew that Edward Teague was alive, OR, someone that worked for him and was passing info along in regards to Gina. If Lionel wanted Clark's secret protected and the Traveler info kept as under wraps as possible...then it'd make sense to have someone watch Gina closely.

They would watch Lex closely, but why Gina? Where'd she even come from?

[MixTKO]

Why would Mr. Teague be following around Gina? It's got to be Lex. Lionel was already dead and couldn't have known she would find out about Clark prior to his death. She made it clear she knew Lex killed daddy dearest and he was just tying up loose ends. Lew went for the trifecta in this episode. Lionel, Gina, and Alexander. But he's gonna flip when he listens to his messages.

[WickedJenn]

The other member of Vertias. Either that or one of Lionel's assistants. It doesn't make sense that Lex would have her killed he wants to know who the traveler is.

Exactly! You read my mind chlo-el :)

They would watch Lex closely, but why Gina? Where'd she even come from?

Well, we know where she came from, and they would know that she's been the one doing most of Lex's dirty work lately if they were tracking her. Why? Lex, it seems likes, to have a little separation so he doesn't look as if he's directly involved with things like that.

[xrayvision]

It had to be Lex. Because in a following scene, he is speaking on the phone to someone and wasn't surprised that Gina was dead. I would think that if Gina was still alive he would have spoken to her on the phone in that scene in the end since she was closely involved with everything that was going on and not speak to some other lackey. I think Lex planned her death prior to Gina finding out Clark's secret to cover his tracks. So pretty much, he screwed himself. I was thinking maybe the killer was Martian Manhunter to protect Clark's secret, but I doubt he would do something like that unless MM in Smallville is evil.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Ha!
Got to be the first voter...I say Lex will win by a landslide. But off course it does because it the most reasonable and logical conclusion possible yet for some reason some people here seem to be obsessed with Lexx not being the culprit even though they do not have any shred of evidence whatsoever to support their outlandish and outrageous claims and I wish that until they do they would just drop this...

[MrZeppo]

Okay, I'm going to try and clear this up again. I can offer proof that Lex has the only motive to kill Gina. No one else has any motive to kill her.

The people who could not have killed Gina because they had no motive...

1) The Last Veritas Member - Whoever it is could not have possibly known Gina knew Clark's secret, so there is no reason for them to kill her. Plus, from the Quest description, it sounds like the last member doesn't care. It sounds like they are in hiding and are avoiding all the Veritas stuff all together.
2) Lionel - It's the same thing as above. Lionel had no motive to order a hit on Gina. He could not have possibley known she would find out Clark's secret.
3) Brainiac - That's just not feasible.
4) Martian Manhunter - No way. He's a hero.
5) Shelby - Now this is just silly. :)

Why Lex is the only one with a motive to kill her...

1) She knew he killed Lionel
2) She knew he had Patricia killed
3) She knew about Lex's plans for the Traveler
4) She stopped treating him like a boss (Not a big one, but I'm sure it was a factor) and more like a friend. Lex Luthor trusts no one.
5) She started acting above her paygrade, implying they were in this together. Lex Luthor would never share the Traveler with anyone. The cold look he gave her in the DP basement was totally a sign she was going to be killed.
6) Lex didn't need her anymore. He had both keys, he knew where the vault was.
7) Finally, Lex didn't know she found out Clark's secret! She found out shortly before she was killed. She only left that voicemail for Lex mere seconds before she was killed. Otherwise I'm sure he'd have spared her if he had known she would find out. But he can't tell the future, she became a potential liability. He ordered a hit on her not knowing that she would learn the truth about Clark aka the Traveler.

I will admit, I felt Gina totally could have continued to be useful to Lex. But really, it just don't make sense that anyone else would have had her killed. She was too much of a liability to Lex, but it's was poetic irony that she found out about Clark right before Lex had her killed. Remember, he could have ordered the hit anytime before that.

It was Lex, pure and simple. It could not have been anyone else.

[TheLightOfKrypton]

MrZeppo, I definitely agree with you on Lex's motives and I appreciate you providing some proof. I personally think that it was most likely Lex for the reasons MrZeppo has pointed out, however, I also believe that there could be a strong chance that it was Edward Teague. Granted, he may be in hiding, but I doubt he would attempt to ignore any of this Veritas stuff since it is coming more into light and thus I believe that he was keeping tags on the remaining members and their families to make sure the Traveler was either kept safe or that he could eventually take control of him. I believe that he was spying on Lionel, Lex, and Gina. The man who killed Gina was merely a hired hitman of Edward's paid to keep an eye on her and if she were to discover anything about the Traveler, his orders were to kill her. It also could've been a random serial killer.

[MrZeppo]

The other member of Vertias. Either that or one of Lionel's assistants. It doesn't make sense that Lex would have her killed he wants to know who the traveler is.

Yes, Lex wants to know who the Traveler is, BUT he had no idea Gina would find that information out when he ordered the hit. She only left the message for him seconds before she was killed. So it makes perfect sense, because he ordered the hit in advance, not knowing she would get that info.

[xrayvision]

Edward Teague is dead. Patricia Swann checked on the status of every Veritas member and pointed out how Lionel was the only one left living. I doubt they would have mentioned that for nothing. So there are no more Veritas members.

----- Added 48 Seconds later -----

Yes, Lex wants to know who the Traveler is, BUT he had no idea Gina would find that information out when he ordered the hit. She only left the message for him seconds before she was killed. So it makes perfect sense, because he ordered the hit in advance, not knowing she would get that info.

Exactly. I don't know why this is so hard to believe.

[MrZeppo]

MrZeppo, I definitely agree with you on Lex's motives and I appreciate you providing some proof. I personally think that it was most likely Lex for the reasons MrZeppo has pointed out, however, I also believe that there could be a strong chance that it was Edward Teague. Granted, he may be in hiding, but I doubt he would attempt to ignore any of this Veritas stuff since it is coming more into light and thus I believe that he was keeping tags on the remaining members and their families to make sure the Traveler was either kept safe or that he could eventually take control of him. I believe that he was spying on Lionel, Lex, and Gina. The man who killed Gina was merely a hired hitman of Edward's paid to keep an eye on her and if she were to discover anything about the Traveler, his orders were to kill her. It also could've been a random serial killer.

Sorry, I can't agree. If it was Edward Teague, even if he was alive, he would have no way to know that Gina had just found out that Clark was the Traveler. The only people with that knowledge is Gina herself, and Lex (after he hears that voicemail). Even if he was keeping tabs on them, how would the hit man or Edward know she knew about Clark?

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

Edward Teague is dead. Patricia Swann checked on the status of every Veritas member and pointed out how Lionel was the only one left living. I doubt they would have mentioned that for nothing. So there are no more Veritas members.


Well that's not exactly true. Spoilers say that there is a surviving member of Veritas out there. But yeah, I doubt it was anyone other than Lex. It wouldn't make any sense. Lex is the only one with any motive.

[smallvillefreak24]

I really didn't think it was lex and lionel was dead.. i thought it was an outside source someone else coming out of the woodwork looking out for clark but gosh all i hope is that we get to see when lex hears the voicemail followed by o ya shes dead

[xrayvision]

Any possibility it was Morgan Edge? The face of the guy was somewhat similar to Edge's. Maybe he survived and got plastic surgery. He is very closely tied with Lionel and the killing of Lionel's parents and could have known about Veritas by his one time close friendship with Lionel. Plus he knows about Kal-El and could have his own plans to use him. That Morgan Edge "death" scene was cleaned up by Lionel, so who knows what really happened to Edge. The bullets seemed to get him in the shoulder.

How awesome would it be if Edge shows up to replace Lex in season 8?

[RJLCyberPunk]

Okay, I'm going to try and clear this up again. I can offer proof that Lex has the only motive to kill Gina. No one else has any motive to kill her.

The people who could not have killed Gina because they had no motive...

1) The Last Veritas Member - Whoever it is could not have possibly known Gina knew Clark's secret, so there is no reason for them to kill her. Plus, from the Quest description, it sounds like the last member doesn't care. It sounds like they are in hiding and are avoiding all the Veritas stuff all together.
2) Lionel - It's the same thing as above. Lionel had no motive to order a hit on Gina. He could not have possibley known she would find out Clark's secret.
3) Brainiac - That's just not feasible.
4) Martian Manhunter - No way. He's a hero.
5) Shelby - Now this is just silly. :)

Why Lex is the only one with a motive to kill her...

1) She knew he killed Lionel
2) She knew he had Patricia killed
3) She knew about Lex's plans for the Traveler
4) She stopped treating him like a boss (Not a big one, but I'm sure it was a factor) and more like a friend. Lex Luthor trusts no one.
5) She started acting above her paygrade, implying they were in this together. Lex Luthor would never share the Traveler with anyone. The cold look he gave her in the DP basement was totally a sign she was going to be killed.
6) Lex didn't need her anymore. He had both keys, he knew where the vault was.
7) Finally, Lex didn't know she found out Clark's secret! She found out shortly before she was killed. She only left that voicemail for Lex mere seconds before she was killed. Otherwise I'm sure he'd have spared her if he had known she would find out. But he can't tell the future, she became a potential liability. He ordered a hit on her not knowing that she would learn the truth about Clark aka the Traveler.

I will admit, I felt Gina totally could have continued to be useful to Lex. But really, it just don't make sense that anyone else would have had her killed. She was too much of a liability to Lex, but it's was poetic irony that she found out about Clark right before Lex had her killed. Remember, he could have ordered the hit anytime before that.

It was Lex, pure and simple. It could not have been anyone else.

Thank you, thank you thank you for providing this concrete and obvious evidence to the table as opposed to those that still insist it had to be someone else, now this is whaty I call a perfect example of Okham's razor!:cool:


MrZeppo, I definitely agree with you on Lex's motives and I appreciate you providing some proof. I personally think that it was most likely Lex for the reasons MrZeppo has pointed out, however, I also believe that there could be a strong chance that it was Edward Teague. Granted, he may be in hiding, but I doubt he would attempt to ignore any of this Veritas stuff since it is coming more into light and thus I believe that he was keeping tags on the remaining members and their families to make sure the Traveler was either kept safe or that he could eventually take control of him. I believe that he was spying on Lionel, Lex, and Gina. The man who killed Gina was merely a hired hitman of Edward's paid to keep an eye on her and if she were to discover anything about the Traveler, his orders were to kill her. It also could've been a random serial killer. Ummm... I do not understand you on one hand say you agree with the obvious concrete evidence and yet at the same time still pose the possibility without any shred of proof whatsoever that was someone else! Now which is it?
And can you or any of those that still clamor Lexx's innocence on Gina's murder offer any kind of damn proof to support it? No you cannot! MrZeppo has provided all possible concrete evidence to bear and there is no shred of proof to proof otherwise and again let'sa review your preposteous propositions:

1. Hitman hired by Teague! Now that is quite an acomplishment for a man that has been dead for decades now and we know that all Veritas members are in fact dead as Patricia Swan said in an earlier episode that Lionel was it's last still living member.

2. Random serial killer: Now that has to be the more preposteous proposition in the history of well history! First of all Serial killers as the name implies kill more than one victim and is usally to satisfy some sexual or violence urge or both and they usually take something from the victim as a trophy as well, now who offed Gina was no doubt a professional, he wore gloves, he quickly dispatched her by forcing canide down her throat while covering her mouth to prevent her from screaming. And he then made sure it looked like she had just died of an overdose or something in her own car. All evidence here points to a profesional hit execution and not a random serial killer! Next...:rolleyes:

Edward Teague is dead. Patricia Swann checked on the status of every Veritas member and pointed out how Lionel was the only one left living. I doubt they would have mentioned that for nothing. So there are no more Veritas members.

----- Added 48 Seconds later -----



Exactly. I don't know why this is so hard to believe.

I don't know either! I guess some people here are just born conspiracy theorists that in all likelihood believe the moon is made of cheese and God knows what else...

[Shadowlord367]

I don't think Lex would have had her killed, especially when she was doing stuff for HIIM at the moment. Could there be more members of Veritas than we are led to believe?

[xrayvision]

I don't think Lex would have had her killed, especially when she was doing stuff for HIIM at the moment. Could there be more members of Veritas than we are led to believe?

If there was another, they should have it be someone already established and of importance to the history of Lionel's--Morgan Edge. I can't think of a better final member of Veritas. I could just imagine how great of a villian he would be in season 8.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I don't think Lex would have had her killed, especially when she was doing stuff for HIIM at the moment. Could there be more members of Veritas than we are led to believe?

Evidence? Proof? Anything? Oh that's right you guys got zippo zilch nada! :rolleyes:

At no point in the show there has been any hindrance whatsoever of there being more Veritas members around but again Patricia Swan did say in the show that Lionel yes that is LIONEL not Teague not anyone but LIONEL was the only still LIVING member!

So again bring evidence to support this theory or drop it because it is really becoming anoyying and tiresome...

[MrZeppo]

I agree with you RJ. All these claims of it being anyone other than Lex is bothering me, and I'm usually a pretty laid back person. They offer no concrete proof it wasn't Lex. I mean, dang, no offense, but what show were they watching?

I'm betting these people who keep claiming it was not Lex haven't actually read the thread so far and are just hitting the post reply button. It was Lex, pure and simple. It's not Shelby, it's not MM, it's not Lionel, it's not Edward Tegue, it's not Morgan Edge (he's dead XRayVision. He played chicken with Clark in a car and lost, remember?). It's just Lex making a selfish, stupid, bonehead move.

I posted a whole page with proof that the ONLY person with ANY motive to kill Gina was Lex Luthor. I'm hoping people will actually read it before replying blindly that it was Shelby or Zor-El or freaking Lana's clone. Jeez.

[Faerus]

That was one of the Lionel Luthor assistants...protecting Clark secret...

We can deduce that because she just died when she was just about to tell Lex about Clark's secret...

Easy.

[MrZeppo]

That was one of the Lionel Luthor assistants...protecting Clark secret...

We can deduce that because she just died when she was just about to tell Lex about Clark's secret...

Easy.

Not easy.

There is no assistant of Lionel's that he trusted enough to betray Clark's confidence to. He wouldn't do that.

Plus, even if that was the case, how the heck would the assistant know Gina knew Clark's secret?

Nope, that doesn't make sense either.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Not easy.

There is no assistant of Lionel's that he trusted enough to betray Clark's confidence to. He wouldn't do that.


Precisely my point so far but as you said this are just people droppiong a post out of their arses without even bothering to read the thread and off course they cannot offer no proof so is all hit and run...

[Screenager]

I think it was Lex.

If it really was Lex, it would be very much like the episode in season three where Lionel gives Lex the experimental 'treatment' at Belle Reeve which makes him lose his memory. After the treatment Lionel sees security footage on which Lex tells Clark he knows his secret. :)

[xrayvision]

I'm betting these people who keep claiming it was not Lex haven't actually read the thread so far and are just hitting the post reply button. It was Lex, pure and simple. It's not Shelby, it's not MM, it's not Lionel, it's not Edward Tegue, it's not Morgan Edge (he's dead XRayVision. He played chicken with Clark in a car and lost, remember?). It's just Lex making a selfish, stupid, bonehead move.

Yeah, I know. The only reason I posted Edge was as a suggestion to an unknown Veritas member. If they would somehow explain him surviving the crash, then he would be one of the more sensible choices due to his one-time closeness with Lionel and him knowing Clark's secret.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Yeah, I know. The only reason I posted Edge was as a suggestion to an unknown Veritas member. If they would somehow explain him surviving the crash, then he would be one of the more sensible choices due to his one-time closeness with Lionel and him knowing Clark's secret.

But that's the problem just like everything else those that suggest an unknown Veritas member cannot offer any shred of proof to it and much less of Edge surviving the crash as you suggested, thankfully though it seems that reason has won over lunacy and this silly thread can be laid to rest once and for all...

In fact I hope the mods lock it just to be sure...

[clana4everfan2]

Edward Teague

[RJLCyberPunk]

Edward Teague


:mad:Proof,proof,Evidence,. Proof, Proof, Evidence, Proof, Proof, Evidence?:mad:

[Roxy512]

Why do so many people think it's Edward Teague??? I think that's ridiculous!!! Didn't they say Edward Teague died? Lionel is the only living member of Veritas left. :rolleyes:

[Shadowlord367]

Well, do you guys have proof that it WAS Lex? This thread is purely speculating based on specific events in the episode.

We are all just tossing out ideas here, and since there is no reason to believe for sure that it was Lex or Lionel for that matter, we can continue discussing this.

[4Clana]

I think it's Edward Teague because he actually looks like him, he's about the right age and they spent so much time showing the killer that he can't just be some henchmen we see once. Most of Lex' henchmen are younger, slimmer. I think he'll be back. If it were Lex's hitman, wouldn't the guy just put a bullet to the chest?

ETA: here's screencap of him, he almost looks like that fbi agent from way back in season 3, but I doubt it
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/364/pichj7.jpg

[DarthJay]

Why are there so many non Lex theories out there for this?! Clearly Lex was tying up loose ends -- being a paranoid meniacal millionaire void of all love also means you lack the ability to trust anyone. She was a gonner once she let on that she knew Lex murdered Lionel. How could Lex possibly know she would stumble upon the identity of the traveler. His mistake...

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----

I take back all my prior statements and theories. I now have sufficient evidence to say that Bruce Wayne had Gina killed.

:P

[defyent1971]

I think it was Lex for most of the reasons already given ("We did it"? Boy that was an overstep if I ever saw one). I also noticed the look on Lex's face when Clark called his bluff by saying "I have proof" that he killed Lionel. Lex knew Clark had busted him, but Clark never said his proof was a picture. Perhaps Lex thought he would tie off that particular loose end? Lord knows Lex was in full DTA (Don't Trust Anybody) mode.

[finalbahamut]

The first thought that came in to my mind is that it was Lex assistant but now that I thought well about it. It could probably be another member of Veritas.

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah..that part where clark said "I have proof" was so badass...it reminds me of the part of A Few GOod Men where Tom Cruise just totally verbally bi*&^h claps NIcholson and its likw WOW that was awesome

----- Added 55 Seconds later -----

...but i digress....i think martha kent had her killed for being involve din lionel's death...NOT!!! assistant or teague

[X-Terminator]

I agree with you RJ. All these claims of it being anyone other than Lex is bothering me, and I'm usually a pretty laid back person. They offer no concrete proof it wasn't Lex. I mean, dang, no offense, but what show were they watching?
I am sorry, but I haven't seen you or anyone else post any concrete proof that it was Lex either. There will be no proof that Lex did it until he confirms the hit in someway, which he hasn't done yet.

1. Hitman hired by Teague! Now that is quite an acomplishment for a man that has been dead for decades now and we know that all Veritas members are in fact dead as Patricia Swan said in an earlier episode that Lionel was it's last still living member.

Ehm, saying or thinking that people are dead doesn't make it so. It could very well be the case that Patricia Swan didn't have her facts straight and didn't know there were other Veritas survivors.

Sorry, I can't agree. If it was Edward Teague, even if he was alive, he would have no way to know that Gina had just found out that Clark was the Traveler. The only people with that knowledge is Gina herself, and Lex (after he hears that voicemail). Even if he was keeping tabs on them, how would the hit man or Edward know she knew about Clark?

He could have overheard her leaving the message on Lex's phone? He could have been inside the Isis foundation building when she found out. He could have planted a microphone on her and listened in. Also, he could have simply thought that it was time for Gina to go, because she was being too useful for Lex, and Lex was getting too close to the truth about Veritas. I think that after Lional died, this final member of Veritas stepped out of hiding to prevent Lex from finding out about the traveller. He will also try to prevent Lex from getting the contents of that vault in Zurich.
Ofcourse, I know that this is speculation, I don't have any concrete proof for this theory, but neither does anyone have proof for Lex's involvement in Gina's death. If Lex was behind the hit on Gina, then why was he being so subtle about it, making it look like an accident? From previous experience (Patricia Swann, the Julian clone) we know that Lex uses guns to execute people and then frames someone else for it (robbers, the driver), why didn't he do that to Gina as well then?

^She did. In the voicemail message she left. The complete message was:

"Hi Lex, it's Gina. Please call me back. I've found who you've been searching for. I know who the traveler is."

Just wait till Lex listens to that message. He'll flip from his chair!
Yes, Lex wants to know who the Traveler is, BUT he had no idea Gina would find that information out when he ordered the hit. She only left the message for him seconds before she was killed. So it makes perfect sense, because he ordered the hit in advance, not knowing she would get that info.

I don't know what it is with people wanting Lex to hear that message from Gina and realise what a fool he has been. But do you people really think that Lex is such a fool? Lex has always shown to be careful and think things through before acting and the Luthors have always been good at foreseeing things (maybe Lex to an lesser extend than Lional, but he is getting there).
Do you really think that Lex would make a stupid mistake like killing someone who had valueable information? Yes, I know that Lex didn't know she had that information, but he should have know that she might come accross information about the Traveler. After all, she did help him quite well in the past.
And as a sidenote, do you think the writers of this show are going to make the this new and evil badass Lex start off with this huge mistake? Doesn't seem likely to me.

Proof,proof,Evidence,
. Proof, Proof, Evidence,
Proof, Proof, Evidence?
Like I said, no-one has proof or evidence either way (Lex or Teague). But if you want some reasonable doubt, take a look at this picture of Edward Tegue in "Veritas":

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1097/snapshot20080419095215tq8.jpg

And this picture that 4Clana posted of Gina's killer in "Descent":

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/364/pichj7.jpg

Tell me you don't see some resemblance.

[jazel]

I did it !!! With the "candlestick", in the library ! LOL

[lauraforever]

Totally Lex! PLus, it's said on Wiki that Gina loved Lex, in a unrequited love kind of way. But we know that Lex never went for what was in front of him.... Sweet lil' Ginex lol

And then I looked at the picture.... and thought 'wow the resemblance' so scratch Lexy Lex. Definitely Edward Teague, protecting the Traveler's Secret

[jazel]

Totally Lex! PLus, it's said on Wiki that Gina loved Lex, in a unrequited love kind of way. But we know that Lex never went for what was in front of him.... Sweet lil' Ginex lol

And then I looked at the picture.... and thought 'wow the resemblance' so scratch Lexy Lex. Definitely Edward Teague, protecting the Traveler's Secret

she SO deserved it...she shot Lois, AND whacked Chloe in the head.....UNFORGIVABLE, as far as I'm concerned.;)

[KAL-EL10]

The last member of Veritas refered to in Quest description. Maybe Edward Teague, but they said he was dead, though who knows with Smallville

[jazel]

doesn't anybody, "appreciate" my nod to the awful game of CLUE ?:(

[Dor el]

I voted Lex, but now it seems so obvious that it was Lex, that I wouldn't be surprised if the writers throw in a twist of some sort. BTW, Edward Teague hasn't been dead for decades as someone posted above. He was alive when Lana killed Genevive. Remember Lex telling Lana that Mr. Teague was a very good and ruthless lawyer who would never believe that his wife's death was an accident and would seek revenge? Wasn't that only 2-3 years ago? Also, in Veritas, it seemed like it was Mr. Queen who would have been more apt to want to protect the traveler. But, if the Queens were still alive, I seriously doubt that they would have left Oliver an orphan. Patty Swann did go out of her way to tell us that VS, the Queens, and ET were all dead. However, it would not be surprising to learn that one of the original members of the group was still alive. That is really almost a given considering the spoilers. Of this list, it seems that ET is the most likely candidate to be alive still and in hiding. He very well could have felt threatened; after all, his wife and son died under rather mysterious circumstances. However, it is possible that if Mr. Teague is alive, that he would have Clark/Chloe under surveillance and just happened to identify Gina as a threat due to what she overheard. Lionel and ET could have been in cahoots in a collaborative effort to protect the Traveler. At first I thought that Lionel surely would have given the key to ET, if ET was in on the protective scheme. Then it occurred to me that Lionel tried to give it to the person best suited to protect the key. CLARK. But, he wouldn't take it and his sidekick wasn't listening to Lionel either. To have left the key in a desk drawer owned by the one person Lionel feared most [Lex] would abuse the powers the key could afford, was very unMB of Lionel and just plain moronic.

[Showmaster]

I havent even seen the whole episode yet, but Gina is the most annoying thing on TV since the Teletubbies.

[AndiGirl]

I am sorry, but I haven't seen you or anyone else post any concrete proof that it was Lex either. There will be no proof that Lex did it until he confirms the hit in someway, which he hasn't done yet.



Ehm, saying or thinking that people are dead doesn't make it so. It could very well be the case that Patricia Swan didn't have her facts straight and didn't know there were other Veritas survivors.



He could have overheard her leaving the message on Lex's phone? He could have been inside the Isis foundation building when she found out. He could have planted a microphone on her and listened in. Also, he could have simply thought that it was time for Gina to go, because she was being too useful for Lex, and Lex was getting too close to the truth about Veritas. I think that after Lional died, this final member of Veritas stepped out of hiding to prevent Lex from finding out about the traveller. He will also try to prevent Lex from getting the contents of that vault in Zurich.
Ofcourse, I know that this is speculation, I don't have any concrete proof for this theory, but neither does anyone have proof for Lex's involvement in Gina's death. If Lex was behind the hit on Gina, then why was he being so subtle about it, making it look like an accident? From previous experience (Patricia Swann, the Julian clone) we know that Lex uses guns to execute people and then frames someone else for it (robbers, the driver), why didn't he do that to Gina as well then?




I don't know what it is with people wanting Lex to hear that message from Gina and realise what a fool he has been. But do you people really think that Lex is such a fool? Lex has always shown to be careful and think things through before acting and the Luthors have always been good at foreseeing things (maybe Lex to an lesser extend than Lional, but he is getting there).
Do you really think that Lex would make a stupid mistake like killing someone who had valueable information? Yes, I know that Lex didn't know she had that information, but he should have know that she might come accross information about the Traveler. After all, she did help him quite well in the past.
And as a sidenote, do you think the writers of this show are going to make the this new and evil badass Lex start off with this huge mistake? Doesn't seem likely to me.


Like I said, no-one has proof or evidence either way (Lex or Teague). But if you want some reasonable doubt, take a look at this picture of Edward Tegue in "Veritas":

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1097/snapshot20080419095215tq8.jpg

And this picture that 4Clana posted of Gina's killer in "Descent":

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/364/pichj7.jpg

Tell me you don't see some resemblance.


Yea, not sure how that can denied. The picture pretty much shows an older version of Edward Teague.

[Lazy Boy]

My opinion is that it's one of Lionel's close confidants. It just that when he was falling to his death, he wasn't screaming or kicking. Just looking up straight at Lex with confidence as if he still does have one final ace up his sleeve. He must have know that his time was coming to an end and would have made necessary arrangements to protect the secrets of the Traveler for as long as possible.

[xrayvision]

I have to say that the guy does really look like an older version of Edward Teague as shown in Veritas. But I still think it's Lex. I don't think Patricia would have said Edward Teague was dead if he wasn't.

[sirconical]

would MM have just coldly killed her like that though? I think it was Lex, and when he plays back the message, he is gonna be maaaaaaaaaaad. ;)

As mad as Lionel was in Asylum when he realised he'd erased Lex's memory, and Lex knew Clark's secret. He was so upset about that. Even though the latest episodes suggest Lionel knew Clark's secret all along.

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Thats what I thought....he new clarks secret would be revealed to a very dangerous man so he took action.

Not exactly MM's style though, is it? An inhaler with some dodgy chemical in it.

[4Clana]

Yeah from the pic, the guy is old, has some fat, has grey/white hairs, doesn't seem like henchmen material. Lex' henchmen are usually younger built guys. And they had him go through this long elaborate process in killing Gina. That to me meant we're going to see this face again, not he is anonymous henchmen #3. And as seen by Gina, Lex' people like to just shoot you. Why the whole inhaler/car scheme? To me, this was no ordinary killing.

I think the purpose of Lex' reaction after Gina said "We" was to make you *think* it was Lex when we'll find out later that it's not.

People say Lex did not hear the voicemail message, but even if he didn't, he would want to know what she had learned since the last time he saw her before sending in the hitman. It's not logical for him to send her out there to do something and off her without knowing if she accomplished what he needed beforehand. The hitman didn't ask her if she finished her job. And if you're saying the hitman spied on her to make sure she did, then that means the hitman is compromised and Lex would need to send someone to kill him.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Yea, not sure how that can denied. The picture pretty much shows an older version of Edward Teague.

Really now? Let's see:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/RJLCyberPunk/EdwardTeagueandHitmanfacecomparison.jpg

Here we can see both faces side by side, and now one can see that the faces are anything but identical. Teague's head is rounder, his chin is different and the hitman lacks the crease on the cheek too but most notable is the difference in the hairline.

Now this only proves that this are 2 different individuals and it could simply the same character being portrayed by 2 different shmucks but if this were a real criminal investigation this theory would fall flat on it's face mind you...


Isnnt science cool? :D :cool: :D

[4Clana]

If this were real science, someone would at least use the same aspect ratio between the two pics. The first one is all squished, giving a false sense that there's this huge difference. The point is, this is reasonably what an older version of Edward Teague would look like. Because if you're casting someone to play an older version of Edward Teague, it's not going to be exact. Do Lex and little Lex look exactly alike down to a crease in a cheek?

What is clear from the picture is the guy is OLD, he has white hairs, the perfect age for a veritas member. Not the age nor build of a hitman that Lex would hire.

Plus as I said, it doesn't matter if Lex got the voicemail message or not, Lex would want to know whether or not Gina finished her job. He's not going to off her before knowing that all evidence of his involvement in Lionel's death had been deleted.

[AndrewVDk]

If this were real science, someone would at least use the same aspect ratio between the two pics. The first one is all squished, giving a false sense that there's this huge difference.

Yeah! :lol:
And I agree with the rest of your post!

[RJLCyberPunk]

If this were real science, someone would at least use the same aspect ratio between the two pics. The first one is all squished, giving a false sense that there's this huge difference. The point is, this is reasonably what an older version of Edward Teague would look like. Because if you're casting someone to play an older version of Edward Teague, it's not going to be exact. Do Lex and little Lex look exactly alike down to a crease in a cheek?

What is clear from the picture is the guy is OLD, he has white hairs, the perfect age for a veritas member. Not the age nor build of a hitman that Lex would hire.

Plus as I said, it doesn't matter if Lex got the voicemail message or not, Lex would want to know whether or not Gina finished her job. He's not going to off her before knowing that all evidence of his involvement in Lionel's death had been deleted.


Lexx had no clue that there was this kind of proof lying around, there is no proof nor inidication that Gina called him when she found out about it either, in fact she seemed to act all on her own up 'till the point she finally makes the call to Lexx about the traveller. In the episode he did not left her there to delete evidence but to clear Chloe's desk and at that point the text message from Louis had not even been received yet either, need I go on?

And about the hitman since when is there some age limit on Hitmans? His age really doesn't matter when it comes to his or her job, in fact an older hitman will be far more efficent and experienced than a young and impetous one, so really the age does not prove a thing either...

The strongest circumstancial evidence points to Lexx and no one else but Lexx. All the other theories run into a lot of problems by comparison...

[Dor el]

If this were real science, someone would at least use the same aspect ratio between the two pics. The first one is all squished, giving a false sense that there's this huge difference. The point is, this is reasonably what an older version of Edward Teague would look like. Because if you're casting someone to play an older version of Edward Teague, it's not going to be exact. Do Lex and little Lex look exactly alike down to a crease in a cheek?

What is clear from the picture is the guy is OLD, he has white hairs, the perfect age for a veritas member. Not the age nor build of a hitman that Lex would hire.

Plus as I said, it doesn't matter if Lex got the voicemail message or not, Lex would want to know whether or not Gina finished her job. He's not going to off her before knowing that all evidence of his involvement in Lionel's death had been deleted.

Lex doesn't know about the text message Gina intercepted on Chloe's phone so he wouldn't know abut the damaging photograph. He doesn't know where Gina went and he doesn't know what Gina did...yet. I'm sure Lois will shout it from the rooftops.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Lex doesn't know about the text message Gina intercepted on Chloe's phone so he wouldn't know abut the damaging photograph. He doesn't know where ina went a d he doesn't know what Gina did...yet. I'm sure Lois will shout it from the rooftops.


Precisely! I posted this argument in another thread as well and is 100% correct, Lexx did noit know anything about the photographic evidence against him, nor is there any proof of Gina contacting him immediately after she finds out either, in fact she seems to take all the initiative to have the evidence destroyed herself and it is only when she stumbles upon the secret of Clark being the traveller that she does call him...

[Dor el]

Precisely! I posted this argument in another thread as well and is 100% correct, Lexx did noit know anything about the photographic evidence against him, nor is there any proof of Gina contacting him immediately after she finds out either, in fact she seems to take all the initiative to have the evidence destroyed herself and it is only when she stumbles upon the secret of Clark being the traveller that she does call him...

You are so right. Lex doesn't know what proof Clark has either. Considering that at the time Clark told Lex he had proof that Lex killed Lionel, Clark did not as Chloe had not at that time zeroed in on the mysterious face in Jimmy's picture. so I am not sure what proof Clark was talking about. Is there something else I missed? Or do I have my sequencing messed up?

[4Clana]

Lex doesn't know about the text message Gina intercepted on Chloe's phone so he wouldn't know abut the damaging photograph. He doesn't know where ina went a d he doesn't know what Gina did...yet. I'm sure Lois will shout it from the rooftops.
Except that Clark told him he had proof. There's no reason why he wouldn't want an update from her about what proof, before offing her.

[RJLCyberPunk]

You are so right. Lex doesn't know what proof Clark has either. Considering that at the time Clark told Lex he had proof that Lex killed Lionel, Clark did not as Chloe had not at that time zeroed in on the mysterious face in Jimmy's picture. so I am not sure what proof Clark was talking about. Is there something else I missed? Or do I have my sequencing messed up?

I do not remember if at the time Chloe had managed to blow up the picture enough for it to show Lexx clearly pushing his father to his death and is probably that she had not, but Clark had a strong reason to suspect him especially after he fired Chloe but yes Clark was bluffing at this time, still Lexx gave himself away with his expression at that time much to Clark's dismay...

[Dor el]

I do not remember if at the time Chloe had managed to blow up the picture enough for it to show Lexx clearly pushing his father to his death and is probably that she had not, but Clark had a strong reason to suspect him especially after he fired Chloe but yes Clark was bluffing at this time, still Lexx gave himself away with his expression at that time much to Clark's dismay...

I thought Clark was assuming/bluffing too. I don't think Chloe had managed to blow up the photo yet. I think they would have shown Clark getting a phone call from Chloe. I agree that Lex was pretty transparent.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I thought Clark was assuming/bluffing too. I don't think Chloe had managed to blow up the photo yet. I think they would have shown Clark getting a phone call from Chloe. I agree that Lex was pretty transparent.

He most definitely was bluffing at the time... Honestly most of the circumstancial evidence points to Lexx being responsable for Gina's murder and not any other way around and it shoud be considered the most logical and reasonable conclusion until we get to see the next episodes and this episodes finally do present evidence to the contrary.

[AndiGirl]

Really now? Let's see:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/RJLCyberPunk/EdwardTeagueandHitmanfacecomparison.jpg

Here we can see both faces side by side, and now one can see that the faces are anything but identical. Teague's head is rounder, his chin is different and the hitman lacks the crease on the cheek too but most notable is the difference in the hairline.

Now this only proves that this are 2 different individuals and it could simply the same character being portrayed by 2 different shmucks but if this were a real criminal investigation this theory would fall flat on it's face mind you...


Isnnt science cool? :D :cool: :D

Well...to go along with your reasoning....there's many factors that could come into play. I mean, he is older...lines on his face/etc can easily change over the years. Most people's faces thin out as they get older....nto exactly hard hitting evidence. And we dont actually know if his hair line is different because he has bangs in the older version. For all we know he just got a different hair style, and swept his hair forward hiding the receiding hairline. Just saying...you cant rule it out. Of course he wont look exactly the same 16/17 years later. Only lionel does that! :lol:

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Yeah! :lol:
And I agree with the rest of your post!

Exactly...if you lengthen the first pic to its natural size, I'm sure their faces are about the same length.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Well...to go along with your reasoning....there's many factors that could come into play. I mean, he is older...lines on his face/etc can easily change over the years. Most people's faces thin out as they get older....nto exactly hard hitting evidence. And we dont actually know if his hair line is different because he has bangs in the older version. For all we know he just got a different hair style, and swept his hair forward hiding the receiding hairline. Just saying...you cant rule it out. Of course he wont look exactly the same 16/17 years later. Only lionel does that! :lol:

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Exactly...if you lengthen the first pic to its natural size, I'm sure their faces are about the same length.

Actually the roundness of the head is something that does not change unless you become really, really fat! As is determined by the shape of the skull in fact that is how forensic investigators reconstruct faces from murdered victims...

[AndiGirl]

The roundness of the head doesnt change...but the face does. The first picture is of a younger healthier man....the older mans face has thinned out a bit. But the structure is the same.

[RJLCyberPunk]

The roundness of the head doesnt change...but the face does. The first picture is of a younger healthier man....the older mans face has thinned out a bit. But the structure is the same.

Actually no the nose is different, the chin is different and that is something that barring a disfiguring accident does not change either, but it only means the person and not the character. As I said it might just be that is another different shmuck portraying old Teague as opposed to having the same actor aged thru makeup ala Back to the future style...


Those makeup /FX were so good they are still in use today...:cool:

[AndiGirl]

Actually no the nose is different, the chin is different and that is something that barring a disfiguring accident does not change either, but it only means the person and not the character. As I said it might just be that is another different shmuck portraying old Teague as opposed to having the same actor aged thru makeup ala Back to the future style...


Those makeup /FX were so good they are still in use today...:cool:

I dont see the nose like you do....the length of the face is the only major difference, but its obvious the first pic is quite squished....so that could be the reason. I guess we will just have to wait and see! :)

[RJLCyberPunk]

I dont see the nose like you do....the length of the face is the only major difference, but its obvious the first pic is quite squished....so that could be the reason. I guess we will just have to wait and see! :)


Even if we forego the facial features the Teague/Veritas survivor being responsable for Gina's murder has way too many holes:

1. Why would a true Veritas survivor be after a darn Lex lackey such as Gina was and not Lex himself or better yet Lionel before Lex even got to him? You see any true Veritas survivor would have taking revenge on the Luthors as a priority given the fact that Lionel destroyed their families.

2. Why would a true Veritas survivor not reveal himself to a truly potential ally such as Patricia Swan and allow her to be killed?

3. Why would a true Veritas survivor attack Lex only to carve a message for Clark, when there are far better ways to reach him than that? Honestly it sounds more like the work of a nutjob than that of a true Veritas survivor.


On the other hand Lex had plenty of motives to have her lackey killed:

1. She knew he had Patricia Swan killed

2. She knew that Lex himself had killed Lionel when she saw the key in Lex's hand...

3. She spoke to him as if he were an equal partner as opposed to a boss. That is a big NO NO in Lex's world.

4. Clark told Lex he had proof of Lex murdering Lionel. The only person that Lex knew at that time that could implicate him in the murder was Gina alone...

[AndiGirl]

You do make excellent points...but I still think it's Teague...sorry.
Just because, Lex makes no sense to me. Even if the woman new too much....even if she was getting too close. Lex wouldnt kill her until she served her purpose. Until he was positive she was of no use to him. He wouldnt just kill her...listen to the message and be like "oh...darn!" Thats just not Lex Luthor.

Where Edward Teague...has more of a reason. Lionel Luthors death was most likely major news...so once he heard Lionel was gone, he came back to protect the travelor. I know Lionel destroyed their families...but I'm sure his interest in the travelor remains. Maybe he followed Gina to figure out who the travelor was. Because....being a smart man, I'm sure he could deduce that Lex had something to do with his fathers death. So he came back to make sure the travelor was safe...and if Gina gave that information to Lex, he surely wouldnt be.

So maybe....maybe it's not Edward. But in my mind there is NO way it's Lex. It's too easy...and dumb on Lex's part.

[xrayvision]

You do make excellent points...but I still think it's Teague...sorry.
Just because, Lex makes no sense to me. Even if the woman new too much....even if she was getting too close. Lex wouldnt kill her until she served her purpose. Until he was positive she was of no use to him. He wouldnt just kill her...listen to the message and be like "oh...darn!" Thats just not Lex Luthor.

Where Edward Teague...has more of a reason. Lionel Luthors death was most likely major news...so once he heard Lionel was gone, he came back to protect the travelor. I know Lionel destroyed their families...but I'm sure his interest in the travelor remains. Maybe he followed Gina to figure out who the travelor was. Because....being a smart man, I'm sure he could deduce that Lex had something to do with his fathers death. So he came back to make sure the travelor was safe...and if Gina gave that information to Lex, he surely wouldnt be.

So maybe....maybe it's not Edward. But in my mind there is NO way it's Lex. It's too easy...and dumb on Lex's part.

But see, she did serve her purpose. Lex has wisened up. He saw what happened with Clark, Lana, his father, and everyone else. He's not playing games anymore. He knows that she was a huge liability and knew way too much. What else could he have used her for? I think he ordered the hit as soon as he got his hands on Lionel's key. She told him the name of the bank where the safe deposit box is so all he needs to do now is go there and open it. He had no more use for her. And he doesn't want to share the power he gets from opening the box.

Lex had no idea that she would uncover Clark's secret. It was actually a smart move based on his past experiences with women who backstabbed him (Lana, Helen Bryce, Desiree, his own lawyer in Bound, and many, many more). She could have easily turned on him sometime down the line like the others did.

[Farview]

I was kind of clueless when I was watching the episode on DVR, but after reading through this thread, I think that the people who were saying that Gina's killer was Edward Teague have got to be right. Gina was still useful to Lex. I think he would have killed her eventually, but she was still useful at the time. Plus having someone else associated with Veritas enter into the storyline just makes sense in terms of, well, the storyline! Clark still doesn't have the connections to stop Lex once Lex goes to Zurich. Teague would have those connections and I'm sure he'll be showing up if not in the next episode then soon.

[xrayvision]

I will say this:

Logically, I would say Lex based on the motives and everything pointed out.

Plotwise, it would be interesting if Edward Teague turns out to be alive. His existence would answer the remaining questions regarding Dr. Swann's death, how Lionel knew Clark would arrive the day he did, and many other questions.

Seeing as how the show doesn't resort to logic too often (most recently with Jor-El trapping Clark when Bizarro & Brainiac were both back), it wouldn't surprise me if Edward Teague does show up.

I did recognize that at the beginning when Lex was talking about what was so important that was worth the Queens and Virgil Swann's lives (or whatever he said about them), he did not mention Edward Teague (or Genevieve). I wonder if this means that Lex knows something. Did he say it on purpose? Who knows.

But logically speaking with what has so far been revealed to us, Lex having her killed makes the most sense.

[daniel2744]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them. Everytime she was in the scene with him, addressed him as "Lex", talking about "we did it" and "no one will ever know", blah blah blah, I knew Lex was going to have her taken care of.

The sad thing is I think she was so devoted to him because she was romanticizing their relationship. That's why she didn't just say Clark's name on the voicemail. She wanted to be there personally in front of Lex to feel his appreciation, or so she thought. I bet Lex is going to be mighty pissed when he hears that voicemail. He'll prolly go, "Crap, I shouldn't have ordered a hit on her!" And btw, there are several ways to track people. Cell phone, Lojack on her car (I'm guessing it is the Lojack system on her car. If it was a Luthorcorp vehicle, then Lex would be able to track it.).

He didn't care about her. Their relationship was purely business. As soon as she started overstepping her paygrade, treating him with a level of familiarity that she shouldn't have, she was doomed. She started acting like she was on equal footing with Lex Luthor, and there was no way he could have that.

Between that and her personal knowledge of his dealings she was dead, she just didn't know it yet.


lol. this was what i was thinking while watching it. lol. I wasn't even surprised when the hit happened. She had it coming to her for how she was talking and touching Lex. lol.

[borednow]

Edward Teague was my vote, I'm really hoping he's alive...

[Yasise]

Uhhhhh... I thought it was pretty obvious Lex had Gina (She finally has a name!) killed.

She overstepped her position. Lex doesn't trust anyone. He couldn't even trust the brother he had grown! As soon as she put her hand on his shoulder I knew she was dead. Lex had to tie up his lose ends and Gina was one of them. Everytime she was in the scene with him, addressed him as "Lex", talking about "we did it" and "no one will ever know", blah blah blah, I knew Lex was going to have her taken care of.

The sad thing is I think she was so devoted to him because she was romanticizing their relationship. That's why she didn't just say Clark's name on the voicemail. She wanted to be there personally in front of Lex to feel his appreciation, or so she thought. I bet Lex is going to be mighty pissed when he hears that voicemail. He'll prolly go, "Crap, I shouldn't have ordered a hit on her!" And btw, there are several ways to track people. Cell phone, Lojack on her car (I'm guessing it is the Lojack system on her car. If it was a Luthorcorp vehicle, then Lex would be able to track it.).

He didn't care about her. Their relationship was purely business. As soon as she started overstepping her paygrade, treating him with a level of familiarity that she shouldn't have, she was doomed. She started acting like she was on equal footing with Lex Luthor, and there was no way he could have that.

Between that and her personal knowledge of his dealings she was dead, she just didn't know it yet.

Totally agreed with all you've said. I'm sure, Lex is responsible for her death and I hope, he'll be super pissed in the moment he checks out his incoming voicemails :D He's going to be soooo angry :lol: and he 100% deserves that!

[RJLCyberPunk]

But see, she did serve her purpose. Lex has wisened up. He saw what happened with Clark, Lana, his father, and everyone else. He's not playing games anymore. He knows that she was a huge liability and knew way too much. What else could he have used her for? I think he ordered the hit as soon as he got his hands on Lionel's key. She told him the name of the bank where the safe deposit box is so all he needs to do now is go there and open it. He had no more use for her. And he doesn't want to share the power he gets from opening the box.

Lex had no idea that she would uncover Clark's secret. It was actually a smart move based on his past experiences with women who backstabbed him (Lana, Helen Bryce, Desiree, his own lawyer in Bound, and many, many more). She could have easily turned on him sometime down the line like the others did.

Precisely he already had all he needed and there was no way for Lex to know she would stumble upon something like the identity of the traveller in any way, shape or form.


Still as you also pointed out elsewhere in this thread, this show has never been very logical so is all pretty much in the open, for all we know and as improbable as it sounds it could even have been poor Shelby itself morphed by Jor-El into an assasin just to protect Clark!

Bottom line:

Logical conclusion to Gina's murder is that Lex did it...

Showwise and plotwise conclusion is that well given the history of the show anything goes even Shelby can be a suspect in this regard.

BTW: I sudenly remembered an episode of the Simpsons in which everybody was trying to figure out who had shot Barnes and at the end the Simpson's baby turns out to be the prime suspect!:D

[Ginx]

I think it was someone hired by the Swans in the event of their death - kinda like a fail safe so Clark wouldn't really be alone. I find it hard to believe that if all that was on the line then it would just be the few individual's that we know about as part of Veritas. I think we just saw the head people and not everyone involved.

I for one was happy when the assistant bought it - Lex would have offed her eventually because she was too much 'we' and not 'I' - Lex wants it all to himself not sharing with an assistant - she got too cocky. But I think that someone beat him to it.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I think it was someone hired by the Swans in the event of their death - kinda like a fail safe so Clark wouldn't really be alone. I find it hard to believe that if all that was on the line then it would just be the few individual's that we know about as part of Veritas. I think we just saw the head people and not everyone involved.

I for one was happy when the assistant bought it - Lex would have offed her eventually because she was too much 'we' and not 'I' - Lex wants it all to himself not sharing with an assistant - she got too cocky. But I think that someone beat him to it.


Again this theory logically and reasonably speaking that is falls into the same problem as the one involving Lionel and even more so because neither Patricia Swan nor her father would have ever betrayed Clark's secret to a complete stranger like that it just wasn't in their nature.

And again this is all speaking in the sense of logic and reason and not Showwise or plotwise that as I said in that regard it could even have been Shelby...

[Hopefulsuicide]

While i agree that Lex wouldn't have let her live with his secret, i don't think he did it. I think someone got their first.

First of all, when Patricia was killed, it was made totally clear it was Lex. We didn't have that definate fact here. If it never comes up again in the next few episodes i will assume it's Lex, but i think it's possible it was someone else at this point.

If it was Lex it was very sloppy, but i guess he wasn't in his right mind. I mean he killed her before finding out what she had been up to for the last few hours, and i think Lex would have been smarter than that...

[RJLCyberPunk]

While i agree that Lex wouldn't have let her live with his secret, i don't think he did it. I think someone got their first.

First of all, when Patricia was killed, it was made totally clear it was Lex. We didn't have that definate fact here. If it never comes up again in the next few episodes i will assume it's Lex, but i think it's possible it was someone else at this point.

If it was Lex it was very sloppy, but i guess he wasn't in his right mind. I mean he killed her before finding out what she had been up to for the last few hours, and i think Lex would have been smarter than that...


He left her at the basement of the Daily planet to do the menial task of cleaning Chloe's desk and putting all her stuff in a box after Lex fired Chloe. He had his hired muscle in the building as we saw them scorting Chloe out after Lex got the final relic from her desk. It was pretty much over for Gina at that point (again this is from a logical and reasonable standpoint) she had fullfiled her usefulness to Lex and she was just a liability to him. There was no way for him to know that she woulkd stumble accross the identity of the traveller shortly before she is killed...


But again as I've said all along this is taken from a logical and reasonable perspective, in regards to the show it could even have been the dog!

[Welling_is_pretty]

Hmmm, intersting discussion. I have to say I ruled Lex out after a moment's thought (he would want her out of hte way, it's true but I think he would have waited to kill her). I also ruled out Lionel's people because up until recently Gina was barely a blip on Lionel's radar.

No, I assumed from pretty much the moment it happened that it was 'other'. My first thought was Brainiac (hey, he wouldn't want someone getting a hold of a way to control Kryptonians, partly because it might work on him too and partly because he'd want it so he could control Clark). Another thought was (as has been noted) Edward Teague.
I had another thought as well. What if it was someone working for Lana/The Isis Foundation? Before she was taken over by Brainiac what if she left instructions that Lex and his people were to be watched and 'taken care of' if one of them got too close to Clark's secret? With the new 'dark lana' willing to sacrifice anything for Clark I could see that.

Anyway, I will just be very disappointed if there's not a cool twist and it turns out that a Luthor (or one of their employees) is behind it.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Hmmm, intersting discussion. I have to say I ruled Lex out after a moment's thought (he would want her out of hte way, it's true but I think he would have waited to kill her). I also ruled out Lionel's people because up until recently Gina was barely a blip on Lionel's radar. Yes but in this episode it is clear that she not only knows that she had Patricia Swan killed but that Lex had killed his father with his own bare hands as he was holding the key in them. Gina had become way too much of a liabiliy to him. Also right after Lex got ahold of the last veritas relic her usefulness had come to an end.

No, I assumed from pretty much the moment it happened that it was 'other'. My first thought was Brainiac (hey, he wouldn't want someone getting a hold of a way to control Kryptonians, partly because it might work on him too and partly because he'd want it so he could control Clark). Another thought was (as has been noted) Edward Teague. Brainiac could not be found anywhere as hard as Chloe tried to zero in on him so he and Kara might even be off world for all we know...

The alleged last surviving Veritas member judging by the way he acts according to official description might as well be nutjob that became insane after a visit to the Smallville cave,

I had another thought as well. What if it was someone working for Lana/The Isis Foundation? Before she was taken over by Brainiac what if she left instructions that Lex and his people were to be watched and 'taken care of' if one of them got too close to Clark's secret? With the new 'dark lana' willing to sacrifice anything for Clark I could see that. Again problem with all this theories is that not Lionel, nor Lana and much, much less Patricia Swan would have betrayed Clark's secret to a complete stranger.

Anyway, I will just be very disappointed if there's not a cool twist and it turns out that a Luthor (or one of their employees) is behind it. Why? It is in Lex nature especially now for him to simply get rid of anybody he deems unnecesary.

And again this is just a logical standpoint conclusion I know it is not necesarily the one the show will take, in fact in the show it could even be Shelby that did it!

[Hopefulsuicide]

you don't have to yell... you have said that enough, you don't have to be so defensive. if you think Lex did it why are you hiding behind the Shelby possibility?

[RJLCyberPunk]

you don't have to yell... you have said that enough, you don't have to be so defensive. if you think Lex did it why are you hiding behind the Shelby possibility?

Because given this show's nature it could very well be him, heck it could even be Santa Claus who was pissed at Gina for being a naughty girl...

[Ranger]

I think it must be someone involved with Veritas. Lex wouldn't kill his assistant, yet...
Lionel might have left instructions behind for someone to watch over Clark, or at least remove Lex's henchmen.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I think it must be someone involved with Veritas. Lex wouldn't kill his assistant, yet...

Why not? He had all the relics already, her usefulness was at an end and there was no way for him to know she would stumble accross the identity of the traveller before she was killed.

Lionel might have left instructions behind for someone to watch over Clark, or at least remove Lex's henchmen.

And risk Clark's identity to another complete stranger that could very well succeed in killing Clark where the one that had him in Lionel's cage a few episodes back failed? Lionel was sloppy but not that sloppy.


It is kind of sad if this alleged Veritas member turns out to be Teague. He has been reduced to a useless nutjob...

[LastSonKalEl]

an efficient nut job...plus neurotic efficiency plays off better on screen than another boring ass hitman

[RJLCyberPunk]

an efficient nut job...plus neurotic efficiency plays off better on screen than another boring ass hitman


Efficient? Is that what you call somebody that is incapable of contacting Clark by any other means than attacking Lex and carving Kryptonian simbols on his body? Please!:rolleyes:

If that's your idea of efficiency people be afraid, be very afraid...

[LastSonKalEl]

he doesn't want to contact him, yet ... making friends with him isn't the mission, protecting him is....and the symbols (which i assume you are pulling from the spoilers) come in another episode we can't debate his motives when we haven't seen the episode

[RJLCyberPunk]

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[LastSonKalEl]

bc he is theatrical...i mean he was efficient at being crazy lol....and like i was saying a second ago i'm not sure if this guy is teague it could not be therefore my arguement that he is efficient was based on how he meticulously killed gina...not how he may or may not carve things into lex since i havent seen that episode since it hasn't aired...we are debating something that we havent seen yet...rather then commenting on theories of what we have and its really not the same

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and he can't just walk up and be like hey Clark is it cool if i kill someone to protect your secret..bc he would never allow that....

[RJLCyberPunk]

bc he is theatrical...i mean he was efficient at being crazy lol....and like i was saying a second ago i'm not sure if this guy is teague it could not be therefore my arguement that he is efficient was based on how he meticulously killed gina...not how he may or may not carve things into lex since i havent seen that episode since it hasn't aired...we are debating something that we havent seen yet...rather then commenting on theories of what we have and its really not the same

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and he can't just walk up and be like hey Clark is it cool if i kill someone to protect your secret..bc he would never allow that....


You are assuming that the guy is officially Teague and there is no way to prove that is just a very blind guess mind you not and educated one like the one about Lex.

[RobX666]

Since my last post on this topic, I've read alot of the posts following and I still think it was Lex. Although, the thought of it being ET is intriguing. I just don't think it's him. Or someone working for him. For all we know right now, ET doesn't know that Clark is the Traveller. Plus, I think the show would go for a more dramatic enterance for ET. Not having him kill Gina. Also, the last time we saw Lex and Gina together was at the Daily Planet. Lex now had both keys (maybe. who knows if the key Lionel gave Chloe was the real deal or not). Lex left Gina to clean out Chloe's desk. Gina finds Chloe's phone with the text message about proof Lionel didn't commit suicide. She starts acting on her own. Confronts Jimmy and Lois, goes to Isis, knocks out Chloe, deletes the pic or plants a virus (whatever she did), hides when Clark shows up, overhears Clark and Chloe talk about Clark's secret, sees Clark leave using his super speed. When Gina is walking to her car, she leaves the message for Lex about knowing who the Traveller is. Next thing you know, she's dead. I figure that Lex had someone following Gina from the moment he left the Daily Planet to do the hit. Perhaps, he didn't get the call from Gina because at the same time he was telling someone else to fuel up the jet to go to Zurich (sp?).

[RJLCyberPunk]

Since my last post on this topic, I've read alot of the posts following and I still think it was Lex. Although, the thought of it being ET is intriguing. I just don't think it's him. Or someone working for him. For all we know right now, ET doesn't know that Clark is the Traveller. Plus, I think the show would go for a more dramatic enterance for ET. Not having him kill Gina. Also, the last time we saw Lex and Gina together was at the Daily Planet. Lex now had both keys (maybe. who knows if the key Lionel gave Chloe was the real deal or not). Lex left Gina to clean out Chloe's desk. Gina finds Chloe's phone with the text message about proof Lionel didn't commit suicide. She starts acting on her own. Confronts Jimmy and Lois, goes to Isis, knocks out Chloe, deletes the pic or plants a virus (whatever she did), hides when Clark shows up, overhears Clark and Chloe talk about Clark's secret, sees Clark leave using his super speed. When Gina is walking to her car, she leaves the message for Lex about knowing who the Traveller is. Next thing you know, she's dead. I figure that Lex had someone following Gina from the moment he left the Daily Planet to do the hit. Perhaps, he didn't get the call from Gina because at the same time he was telling someone else to fuel up the jet to go to Zurich (sp?).

That is because from a logically built and well reasoned guess Lex is indeed the natural choice. But is still just a guess, still as I said before an educated guess is usaully far, better than blind ones...


There are people here that are already assuming not only that is Teague the misterous Veritas survivor but that he was the one that killed Gina, yet it makes no sense whatsoever that somebody that did such a proffesional hit somehow then turns into a rabbing lunatic carving Lex up with Kryptonian simbols, now that really doesn't add up...

[Sweetie]

It was Lex.The look he gave her in their last scene prouved that it was him behind her murderer :eek:

[RJLCyberPunk]

It was Lex.The look he gave her in their last scene prouved that it was him behind her murderer :eek:

He had more than plenty of motives but is only circumstancial evidence and thus it does not constitute 100% damnable proof either, still is far more solid and consistent than anything else offered though...

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah well anyway i said earlier i was 60 percent sure it was lex..i just like drawing out other theories....i mean i wouldn't really suspect the writers to be so intense as to leave us with another mystery ... the next episode sounds like crap too...another post death lighten the mood episode..i say keep it dark...at least its truthful and consistent

[X-Terminator]

... I figure that Lex had someone following Gina from the moment he left the Daily Planet to do the hit. Perhaps, he didn't get the call from Gina because at the same time he was telling someone else to fuel up the jet to go to Zurich (sp?).
Well, if Lex ordered the hit when he left the Daily Planet then he is damn lucky that the hitman didn't kill Gina until after she had gone to the Isis foundation. The hitman could just as easily have killed her before she got to the Isis foundation, which would have seriously screwed up Lex's life, because the photo evidence of Lex killing Lionel would still exist. It doesn't seem likely to me that Lex would take such a risk at this time.

Even if he only left Gina the simple task of cleaning out Chloë's desk I think Lex would still be interested in what Gina found in that desk and in Chloë's bag. Remember that Lex didn't let Chloë take anything with her when she got fired and that he has always kept a close eye on her (bugging her computer etc.). I think that, especially after he just found the single most important object to him in her desk, Lex would be interested what else she might be hiding there. That may be why he left his number 1 henchwoman (Gina) in charge of collecting Chloë's stuff, because she was the one who knew what to look for. (This turned out to be a good thing, because Gina found Jimmy's message and delt with the situation). Lex would not have her killed until she reported back after her job was completed.

[Crusader]

Maybe another member of veritas that is meant to be kept secret?

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After all, Gina did just find out the secret of the traveler and was intent on using that information for the cause of evil, therefore it wouldn't seem much of a shock and suprise that someone would want to murder her for that.

[kal-el returns]

I kind of thought it was the martian man hunter...I mean, unless I missed something, isnt he still out there??? Just a thought..

but as a hero, martian manhunter, or any of the other heroes out there, would not take someone's life like that, it's against their code of honor as protectors of the world

[smallvillelogan]

but as a hero, martian manhunter, or any of the other heroes out there, would not take someone's life like that, it's against their code of honor as protectors of the world

Since I don't know comics that well, I'm assuming that Martian Manhunter in the comics does not go to extremes like that?

[chlarker4eva08]

i think it was lex...did anyone see his face when she told him "we did it,lex"? it looked like he didn't want or possibly need her anymore after she did all the dirty work

[RJLCyberPunk]

Well, if Lex ordered the hit when he left the Daily Planet then he is damn lucky that the hitman didn't kill Gina until after she had gone to the Isis foundation. The hitman could just as easily have killed her before she got to the Isis foundation, which would have seriously screwed up Lex's life, because the photo evidence of Lex killing Lionel would still exist. It doesn't seem likely to me that Lex would take such a risk at this time.

He had no clue to any of that happening, he simply left her there with the last task of cleaning Chloe's desk. There was no way for him to know that right after he leaves she stumbles accross Luois text message on Chloe's phone, it is also clear that Gina from that point on acted on her own and did not called Lex up till she then stumbles upon the traveller;s identity. But the point is Lex never knew nor heard of the photo and in fact even when Clark told him he had proof, Chloe had yet to blow up the picture to reveal Lionel's killer and in fact the only one that he knew at that particular time that could incriminate him was Gina alone. So the point is he never ever learned how close he came of being found guilty ans with the frying pan in his hands sort to speak.

Even if he only left Gina the simple task of cleaning out Chloë's desk I think Lex would still be interested in what Gina found in that desk and in Chloë's bag. Remember that Lex didn't let Chloë take anything with her when she got fired and that he has always kept a close eye on her (bugging her computer etc.). I think that, especially after he just found the single most important object to him in her desk, Lex would be interested what else she might be hiding there. That may be why he left his number 1 henchwoman (Gina) in charge of collecting Chloë's stuff, because she was the one who knew what to look for. (This turned out to be a good thing, because Gina found Jimmy's message and delt with the situation). Lex would not have her killed until she reported back after her job was completed.

Look for what? Lex already had collected all the darn Veritas relics, Lex was already monitoring everything the Daily Planet reporters typed in their computers, Chloe had nothing of value at the Daliy Planet anymore after Lex took over! I mean who would?:rolleyes: Lex simply left her to do what was essentially her last task and a very menial at that. Lex had no way of knowing she would stumble either across Louis text message and much less accross the Traveller's identity. And he only went to Chloe because he knew his father had gone to the paper's basement and he knew there was only one person there his father would have confided or tried to confide with and that was Chloe and Chloe alone. But the point is Chloe had nothing of value on her desk anymore and it is obvious because we do not see anything more being found, Gina simply happens to stumble accross Louis text message and that's all and we know she never called Lex except when she found who the traveller was and not before...


Of all the possible guesses one could take the one that Lex did remains the most educated and reasonable one, it's still just a guess but it is the far better one in comparison to all the blind ones that continually pop up around here...

[LastSonKalEl]

chuck norris

[Kyogre]

Patty swan had it done

[luthorian]

I like the theory that it would've been someone else.

Usually when Lex has something done they cut from the killing scene straight to Lex somehow applying that he was behind it, like the necklace after Swann or the message after the Julian clone. I don't see any reason to leave it open like that. He could've just listened to the message and throw his phone to the wall or something to show it was him but now nothing... Or then this is the :cool: evil Lex with no reaction.

[RJLCyberPunk]

Patty swan had it done


Patricia Swan is even less likely to betray Clark's identity to a complete stranger like that than Lionel ever was,specially after what happened in "Caged"

[Kevin24]

Lex did not do it. He isn't that great of a villain yet to be doing hardcore things like murdering his assistant. Sure he killed his dad but that was a crime of passion , he just lost his head and he wanted the key lionel had. He also lost his cool in promise when he killed the doctor.

He killed Pat Swan because she had a key to the magic box. He still isn't that hardcore that he goes killing his assistants because they know to much .

[smallvillelogan]

Lex did not do it. He isn't that great of a villain yet to be doing hardcore things like murdering his assistant. Sure he killed his dad but that was a crime of passion , he just lost his head and he wanted the key lionel had. He also lost his cool in promise when he killed the doctor.

He killed Pat Swan because she had a key to the magic box. He still isn't that hardcore that he goes killing his assistants because they know to much .

I think he is. Sure, I think he's capable. Who cares if he killed Lionel as a "crime of passion," the fact that he was willing to murder him says everything. Same thing with killing the baby brother that he himself cloned earlier this season. So he certainly is capable. I don't think Lex killed her, though. I think it's yet another person protecting Clark.

[Kevin24]

I think he is. Sure, I think he's capable. Who cares if he killed Lionel as a "crime of passion," the fact that he was willing to murder him says everything. Same thing with killing the baby brother that he himself cloned earlier this season. So he certainly is capable. I don't think Lex killed her, though. I think it's yet another person protecting Clark.

I totally forgot about Clone Julian, he did have him blasted and then screamed like a maniac in the rain!! So yeah he is hardcore enough to call a hit on Gina. Did he do it tho? did he?

The hit on Gina was too cool style with the whole spraying something into her mouth thing and I'm guessing making it look like she had an accident. When he had Julian killed he didn't care how it happened as long as it happened. Lex isn't that suave a genius yet to think up such a way for her to die.

If it was him he would have just had someone blast her in the head and dump it somewhere.

[LastSonKalEl]

Lex did not do it. He isn't that great of a villain yet to be doing hardcore things like murdering his assistant. Sure he killed his dad but that was a crime of passion , he just lost his head and he wanted the key lionel had. He also lost his cool in promise when he killed the doctor.

He killed Pat Swan because she had a key to the magic box. He still isn't that hardcore that he goes killing his assistants because they know to much .



I don't think it was out of passion..he was waiting there for him...with a gun...i think it was calculated premeditated murder

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ergo he doesn't give two sh.its about his assistand if it means covering up killing his father, swann's daughter, etc.

[melbow]

maybe she isn't dead yet..

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i mean i don't see the whole episode so i may missed i scene , but i only saw she whas paralized.. or somebody confirmed that she was dead?

[entyce]

Imo if it was one of Lex or Lionel's men, they would've shot her instead of using injection. I think I'd go with Teagues.

[Kevin24]

I want it to be Lex to show how truly evil he is!! That's what I want them to show lex just being evil and taking no prisoners!!! Just blasting fools who look at him funny hahahaha (I'm kidding about that last part.)

I would much rather it be Lex that killed her by his own hand then have someone do it for him. It just isn't that bad ass if he has other people do the dirty work for him all the time. I remember in the doomsday movie that Lex just shot that girl in the face! He didn't even care! It was just BAM you're dead! That's hardcore !

Not calling hits all the damn time...yeah it's cool and shows how bad ass he is in some way but watching him kill Lionel thats bad ass

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah well he killed his own dad that kinda ups the baddie status..anything else is just icing on the evil cake

[migo]

I'm glad I read. Definitely isn't MM (he's black). Lionel wouldn't have shared the secret with one of his assistants. Doesn't make sense that it's Lex. Edward Teague makes perfect sense, except I thought he was already dead.

[RJLCyberPunk]

I want it to be Lex to show how truly evil he is!! That's what I want them to show lex just being evil and taking no prisoners!!! Just blasting fools who look at him funny hahahaha (I'm kidding about that last part.)

I would much rather it be Lex that killed her by his own hand then have someone do it for him. It just isn't that bad ass if he has other people do the dirty work for him all the time. I remember in the doomsday movie that Lex just shot that girl in the face! He didn't even care! It was just BAM you're dead! That's hardcore !

Not calling hits all the damn time...yeah it's cool and shows how bad ass he is in some way but watching him kill Lionel thats bad ass

In the animated Doomsday movie they show Lex shooting a girl in the face? Wow! If that movie had ever hit the theaters it would have been the first animated film with an R or MA-17 rating in history!:eek:

[entyce]

Definitely isn't MM (he's black)



He's green. Actually, he can be any color he wants to be.

[migo]

His actor is black. Plotwise it makes no sense to have him pretending to be anyone else.

[berniepooh]

Didn't the newspaper headline in the Pilot episode that was re-introduced recently say "Queen Enterprises CEO missing in plane crash - Presumed Dead"

The key word being PRESUMED???? Maybe one of the Queen's is alive. But, if they are...how cruel to make Ollie believe all this time they were dead.

[Yasise]

Didn't the newspaper headline in the Pilot episode that was re-introduced recently say "Queen Enterprises CEO missing in plane crash - Presumed Dead"

The key word being PRESUMED???? Maybe one of the Queen's is alive. But, if they are...how cruel to make Ollie believe all this time they were dead.

Maybe they had amnesia due to the injuries they've got from that crash and they only recently got their memories back :lol: ??
And they lived in Detroit all these years without knowing they had a billionaire son....
When Lionel died Jor-El had to chose another human as his vessel to be and possessed Ollies father.....;)

[smallvillelogan]

His actor is black. Plotwise it makes no sense to have him pretending to be anyone else.

Doesn't matter. It's like with Tina Greer as a shapeshifter in the first two seasons, for two episodes. Other people like Kreuk and Welling played her, yet it was supposed to be Tina. The actual Tina actor wasn't even in the episodes very often. Same thing with Martian Manhunter. Somebody else could just play the character.

I don't think it was MM, but I'm saying that it still makes sense if they wanted to go that direction.

[berniepooh]

Maybe they had amnesia due to the injuries they've got from that crash and they only recently got their memories back :lol: ??
And they lived in Detroit all these years without knowing they had a billionaire son....
When Lionel died Jor-El had to chose another human as his vessel to be and possessed Ollies father.....;)

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Oh yeah!! Can you imagine how pissed off you'd be when you realized how many years you'd wasted in Motor City when you could have been living in luxury? I'm from Indiana and the only thing I can think of that would be worse, is spending that much time in Gary.

[LastSonKalEl]

You are assuming that the guy is officially Teague and there is no way to prove that is just a very blind guess mind you not and educated one like the one about Lex.



to quote LEx LUthor in Superman Returns........WROOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!

[elway]

Gotta do it PunkI TOLD YOU SO

[Darkness Falls]

Ummmm... WHAT? I have lurked and read all the posts in this thread, and I gotta ask, does Anything in "Sleeper" confirm or deny who had Gina killed?

[elway]

The guy that gave Lex the box, was the one who killed Gina. Or he's his stunt double.........:D Lex even said on the phone he didnt know who he was.

[Darkness Falls]

and that proves who had Gina killed? ( I'm not tryin' to argue, I'm just askin' if this proves to anyone who actually had Gina killed?)

[LexLuv180]

After seeing Sleeper, I'm more sure Lex didn't do it. If the assailant who tried to kill Lex this episode was the assailant who killed Gina, it was clear Lex didn't know who he was or what he was after.

[Darkness Falls]

^^ But was anything given as proof positive? (I'm actually askin' , cause even though I recorded it, when I was watchin' I was all messed up on burbon and painkillers)

[elway]

Dude seriously, WE see a mystery guy last week kill Gina THAT same dude HANDED Lex the box (Lex didn't know the man, if Lex hired him to lose Gina, they might know each other???) and a minute later the SAME guy, that rubbed out Gina for trying to uncover this secret tries to strangle Lex?? Then says "you're not one of them" as Lex leaves. Then NEXT scene Lex asks someone on the phone who the hell was that guy that attacked him???

Answere Lex, he's the guy that killed Gina and the last of the Veritas

[silverfist]

After seeing Sleeper, I'm more sure Lex didn't do it. If the assailant who tried to kill Lex this episode was the assailant who killed Gina, it was clear Lex didn't know who he was or what he was after.

Exactly.

I don't know where that long topic made by RJLCyberPunk went *chuckles* but more and more does it indeed seem like me and several others were right about this. We still don't know to 100% as far as I can see, but I'd say that this episode hinted even more that it wasn't Lex who did it but someone who's trying to protect the traveler/the secret and is ready to kill for it. I guess some people labeled their speculations as more "educated" than others a bit prematurely......

[LastSonKalEl]

yeah basically for us like elway and i it is more of a confirmation that our ideas aren't complete crap which was the basis of the arguement from some people on here...it isn't confirmed whether he's the last member of veritas or not...but it is confirmed that lex didn't have gina killed...i think theother thread about this was deleted bc we were so efffing right lol

[silverfist]

yeah basically for us like elway and i it is more of a confirmation that our ideas aren't complete crap which was the basis of the arguement from some people on here...it isn't confirmed whether he's the last member of veritas or not...but it is confirmed that lex didn't have gina killed...i think theother thread about this was deleted bc we were so efffing right lol

Indeed. =)
And yeah, which is quite hillarious really.

[SSJConan]

Didn't the newspaper headline in the Pilot episode that was re-introduced recently say "Queen Enterprises CEO missing in plane crash - Presumed Dead"

The key word being PRESUMED???? Maybe one of the Queen's is alive. But, if they are...how cruel to make Ollie believe all this time they were dead.

They're dead. Watch The Oliver Queen Chronicles in the Season 6 set, Ollie finds their bodies on an island he's stuck on for about a year. The wedding ring he has with him in the series for instance, he found in the crashed planed with his parents' bodies, along with a final note from them to their son. I for one consider the Chloe/Vengeance/Oliver Queen/etc. Chronicles canon with the series, as they greatly expand on past arcs and even influence future stories like 33.1, Donavan Jameson being Lex's lead scientist in the final two S6 episodes, Oliver's origins prior to when we first see him in "Sneeze", etc. Though, ironically, I do not consider "Deleted scenes" on the DVDs canon.

[elway]

Also remember Gina DID try to use the the key at the bank in Zurich, and found out U need 2 to open the box.... Lex said "We've come this far, lets not let some overzealous banker hold us up...Pay HIM what he wants."

There it is!!!! When Gina went to the bank with only one key it raised suspition with the mystery man. So he started following along. Then killed Gina, went back to zurich, and guess who popped in w/ 2 keys Lex, and what happend that SAME guy tried to kill Lex.....

[Thrill_Seeker]

IT wasnt lex, I HAVE PROOF !!!!!!

the same guy who attacked lex in sleeper, when lex opened the box is the same guy who killed gina !!! LOOK CLOSELY.

on tv.com it has a list of guest stars and in 16 it has "Don Broatch" as the msyterious attacker.
and again don broatch appeared in sleeper, under "Mysterious attacker"

its the samy guy, so obviously its not lex who killed gina.....OR LIONEL.

no-one hired him, the guy works solo, my guess is that this is the surviving member of veritas that we see in quest.

[Dor el]

I almost feel vindicated.

[berniepooh]

[QUOTE=Thrill_Seeker;3750964]IT wasnt lex, I HAVE PROOF !!!!!!

the same guy who attacked lex in sleeper, when lex opened the box is the same guy who killed gina !!! LOOK CLOSELY.

on tv.com it has a list of guest stars and in 16 it has "Don Broatch" as the msyterious attacker.
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I thought that was the same guy. Thanks for the info.

[Dor el]

So, does Lex even know that Gina is dead then?

[All about Clark]

IMO, even if Edward Teague, our mystery man killed Gina, she would have been dead anyways. Lex would have seen to it and probably only hours later. Clearly she knew too much.

[justme_007]

so who kill Gina??? i´m confused