Chloe Vs Lionel at the Planet...should Chloe have listened??

[Mrs.Bizzaro]

I know Lionel isnt the most trustworthy person but should Chloe have taken a minute to listen?? I think I would have flinched when he started going down on his knees to beg! A luthor begging for crying out loud!


Anyway, should Chloe have listened??

[Alexander III]

Nope, Chloe shouldn't even bother wasting her time w/ the luthors, or the luthor.

[Lostfan588]

After everything he's done over the series, esp the last episode-kidnapping clark- i don't blame her, but yeah I think she should have listened. I felt so bad for him! I don't think he would ever betray clark's secret to Lex! I believe you, Lionel!!!!!LOL

[msleggie]

I agree, Lionel has done some evil things, but this time his really seemed sincere and Chloe should have listen even if it was for a minute. The same with Clark, he could have stopped talking 4 one minute and seen the way Lionel was looking, the desperation, I feel bad for Lionel too.

[theotherJane]

Too little, too late.

[liana]

I understand her anger, but considering how many times Lionel has helped her and Clark, I think she should, at least, give him the benefit of doubt. But she will feel sorry she didn't soon enough.

It is exactly what happened with Alicia: everything are assuming Lionel is evil, and when it is proved he was really trying to help, he will already be dead, probably protecting Clark, and everyone will feel guilty.

[AndiGirl]

Well of course we think she should have...since we know he's telling the truth. But I dont blame her at all for not giving him the time of day. It's like she's said...he has cried wolf so many times, they are done with him.

[minerva73]

I agree with liana. When he dies it'll be too late, but honestly if I were in Chloe's position I wouldn't have listened too. Chloe had nothing else to draw a conclusion from, so who can blame her?

IMO, Chloe probably felt like Lana when Lex was begging for her. Lionel seemed as desperate as Lex did in Season 5 except Lionel wanted Chloe to listen to his story while Lex wanted love, but that's besides the point. :p

[Cage]

Andigirl - I totally agree with you

[Lostfan588]

True. Nevertheless I feel bad for Lionel!!! I think he's just misunderstood...i agree w what he said, he sees protecting clark's secret as a way to atone and make up for his past wrongs. That said I thought AM acted really well in the scene. It was funny Lionel clinging onto to her for dear life and her shrugging him off, lol.

[Minela]

Chloe should have seen the desperation in Lionel's face. It was way too obvious, and she should know him better and realize he is telling the truth. What kind of a reporter's eye does she have?

[Zacho]

She definitely should have listened, but in true Chloe fashion she shrugs him off. After all these years Chloe should know by now that when a Luthor lies they do it with dignity and a smile on their face. Lionel did neither. He was completely serious. A Luthor only begs as an extreme last resort. That scene totally shocked me when Chloe walked away without even hearing Lionel.

[Superman's Princess]

I would've liked to see her listen after he got down on his knees, but with everything Lionel's done in the past and after what happened with Clark last week she really doesn't have a reason to trust him. Anyway, that was one of my fave scenes in the epi.

[WookieeBoy]

Yes, she should have listened when he begged. I believe you, too, Lionel.

[liana]

Chloe should have seen the desperation in Lionel's face. It was way too obvious, and she should know him better and realize he is telling the truth. What kind of a reporter's eye does she have?

I don't think it is about reporter's eyes here. In fact, I don't think it was about not believing. The truth is that Chloe is angry, and she let her anger command her. It is as simple as that. If she wasn't that angry, she might have recognised the signs: the very fact that Lionel, that never begs, was begging, for example. Lionel is never desperate. If he is, there is a reason, and quite probably, not a good one. The last time that Lionel was close to this desperation was near Dark Thursday. And Chloe knows that, but she just didn't stop to think.

The worst part? She will blame herself later...

[kal-el returns]

chloe should have listened. it's really annoying, lionel would not make stuff up out of nowhere. everything he does has reasoning to it, regardless if his intentions. not only should chloe have listened, but clark should have too. it's getting ridiculous to a point where i dont like chloe or clark at times. if jor-el could pick lionel as an emissary, then lionel cant be evil, i mean why would jor-el want his son to take advice from some evil, twisted man; it's just dumb

[liana]

chloe should have listened. it's really annoying, lionel would not make stuff up out of nowhere. everything he does has reasoning to it, regardless if his intentions. not only should chloe have listened, but clark should have too. it's getting ridiculous to a point where i dont like chloe or clark at times. if jor-el could pick lionel as an emissary, then lionel cant be evil, i mean why would jor-el want his son to take advice from some evil, twisted man; it's just dumb

You are just forgetting one thing: Clark doesn't trust Jor-el. He only goes to him when he had no other choice, or when he is needing something desperatly, but he doesn't trust him one bit. So, why would he trust Jor-el's emissary in the first place?

[AndiGirl]

Yes, she should have listened when he begged. I believe you, too, Lionel.

Thats kind of the point though....we know he is telling the truth. Where Chloe has no idea, and if I was in her shoes....I would have done the same thing.

[NoSupeForYou]

What kind of a reporter is she? Most journalists try to get both sides to every story and they at least have enough curiosity to listen, even if they don't believe it.

[savannah]

Yes even though she had suspisions she should of at least kicked on that journalistic radar!!!!!

[Lostfan588]

Well she may be a reporter but she's not a mind reader. LOL. Sure we the audience- after seeing last episode- can see that Lionel really does care about Clark. But those were scenes for only the audience to see. All Chloe knows is Lionel locked clark up in a cage and made his worst nightmare come true...that and tried to kill her before...etc. His history doesn't exactly back him up. I'm not sure if I were in her place I'd have believed him after everything he's done but hey, to each there own...maybe next episode Chloe will see the light.

[Eri-El]

After everything he's done over the series, esp the last episode-kidnapping clark- i don't blame her, but yeah I think she should have listened. I felt so bad for him! I don't think he would ever betray clark's secret to Lex! I believe you, Lionel!!!!!LOL


I completely agree with you....I don't blame her, but I do think she should have listened to him......Hopefully she'll think twice and try to explain to Clark what happened.....and maybe he'll change his mind about hearing Lionel out, and maybe take the key from him.

Hopefully Lex doesn't get to Lionel before Clark can hear him out....:(

[Khyla]

i think that entire scene ROCKED! Lionel's performance was AMAZING. He was quite scary! :eek:

But just like Clark wouldn't listen to him when Lionel was trying to give him his key, so too, his Chloe will remain just as stoney toward the MB; major mistakes, on both their parts, but that's what makes the plot 'sicken' ;) :)

[SteveS]

I understand her anger, but considering how many times Lionel has helped her and Clark, I think she should, at least, give him the benefit of doubt. But she will feel sorry she didn't soon enough.

It is exactly what happened with Alicia: everything are assuming Lionel is evil, and when it is proved he was really trying to help, he will already be dead, probably protecting Clark, and everyone will feel guilty.

Interesting point as I was just over at You tube watching a number of ClarkMan & Alicia videos and they were superb, so you are exactly correct. With hindsight, the characters will learn too late that they should have listened to Lionel, but sadly, he never tried to clear up the previous episode's misunderstandings with ClarkMan and that sets up Lionel's death at the hands of Lex, even if it does not happen in reality in the next episode.

In their defense, neither Chloe, Lana, or ClarkMan have seen what the viewer's saw of Lionel's being distraught at Clark's thinking him to be an enemy.

[Lostfan588]

It's just too little too late...and no I'm not singing.

[thehenry89]

She could have at least heard him out. no one was asking her to take him out to dinner or anything.

[Chloe_is_my_Hero]

chloe should have listened. it's really annoying, lionel would not make stuff up out of nowhere.


Ahmmm..........are we talking about the same Lionel Luthor? Because....the Lionel that I know from the past seven seasons would and has most certainly "made stuff up". That is what the Luthor's do. Now, that being said, I did feel bad for him, but good grief, for all the good that he has done for Clark and Chloe, he has done that much more evil. He tried to KILL Chloe at the end of S3. I certainly do not blame her from literally shoving him aside and fleeing.

[Spirit Detective]

I can understand the anger Clark and Chloe had to have been feeling, but I honestly believe that they should have listened to Lionel.

They WILL regret this.

[DavetheAvatar]

She could have at least heard him out. no one was asking her to take him out to dinner or anything.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Okay so she doesn't have to trust him but if he's really that desperate the least she could do is hear what he has to say. I mean even if she assumes he's up to some scheme, would it not be smart to listen just in case he's actually telling the truth? Once he's told her, she can still refuse to believe him, but if someone told me someone I love was in danger, I'd listen no matter who they were.

I really want Lionel to be a good guy. He played the MB so well but I just want him to redeem himself. He is obviously telling the truth, so the answer to the question is yes she should have listened. All of you saying no...why? Can I blame her for not listening? No. But should she have? Most definitely.

I can understand why you'd agree with her for refusing to listen but surely from an outsiders point of view you can see it was almost certainly something she needed to hear...

[litew8]

Lionel should have brought a powerpoint presentation with him to show Chloe. It seemed pretty obvious that he couldn't just come right out and say WHY Clark was in danger. I think it was overdone. Way too much opprotunity for Lionel to have explained WHATEVER it was he was TRYING to say to her.

[Mr.White]

Chloe should have listened. She and Lionel both know Clark's secret. They have both worked together. Lionel told her about being Jor-El's emmisary. The thing he wanted , and needed, to tell her was important enough that she should have stopped for a moment and given Lionel a fair hearing. What did she have to lose by hearing him out on what he had to say?

[JLedge]

If I had been in her position, I would have done the same thing.

Look at the roller coaster ride she's been on with BOTH Luthors.

This was her saying, "I'm getting off this ride - you're both lying bastards."

It's really easy for us to say she should have listened, because we have 20/20 vision in this case.

Gotta love the dramatic irony of the situation. :D

[BWOracle]

I think she should have taken him seriously. 1) Because it was too dangerous not to at least hear what he had to say and 2) No man as proud as Lionel Luthor would get on his knees for anyone unless he was truly repetent.

[morethanmeetstheye]

I don't think it has anything to do with being a reporter here. After all, she knows that because of him, Clark was tortured and put through his worst fear (something she acknowledged in the last episode). It's hard to see the good in someone after that. I'm sure that she thought that letting him sway her would just have her fall into his trap. If he really was deceiving her and she was convinced by him, we all would have yelled "Gullible! Don't you get by now that he's a Luthor?"

Of course I think that she should have listened after Lionel dropped down to his knees, and frankly, I was surprised that she didn't. But I can understand her thoughts about him crying wolf, and being reluctant to be pulled in by him.

I do feel very sorry for Lionel. He seems like he's falling apart at the seams a little. The way he is fumbling, and stuttering, and even begging...I really feel for him. His pleas do seem very sincere, which makes it hurt to watch him get rejected since he's not one to make himself vulnerable.

I definitely believe that he is good. What really solidified that for me was when Zor-El threatened to kill him if he didn't betray Clark, and gave him the option of life or death...and Lionel said he would never stand in the way of Clark's future...ultimately speaking his death sentence. Even last week, instead of saving his own skin as the normal Lionel would, he faced the gunman in order to save Clark, essentially risking his own life.

I think that he is a changed man and hope that someone realizes it and acknowledges it *to him* before his time is up. However, I also understand why Chloe would be reluctant to be too easily moved by someone who is famous for his ulterior motives--and who, according to what she knew--had just brought that back to light by kidnapping Clark.

Sure he had proven to be good lately, but he had proven to be bad much more often. Those traits had come back and she had to save Clark because of them. For Chloe, his past evils now spoke louder than his brief loyalty.

Especially since she never got an explanation about his reasons behind the events of Traveler...all she can see now is that he abused his knowledge of Clark's secret, lied to her face about knowing where he was and mislead them into believing it was Lex, then Clark almost died because of all of this.

I'd have a hard time forgetting that too.

[Lostfan588]

Gotta love the dramatic irony of the situation. :D


Yeah I'd of done the same thing too, but w 20/20 vision from the audience like you said it was pretty ironic. I loved the "We're not stupid." :lol:

[ClowRegulus]

I understand her anger, but considering how many times Lionel has helped her and Clark, I think she should, at least, give him the benefit of doubt. But she will feel sorry she didn't soon enough.

It is exactly what happened with Alicia: everything are assuming Lionel is evil, and when it is proved he was really trying to help, he will already be dead, probably protecting Clark, and everyone will feel guilty.

I agree w/ you.

[umm]

Oh, come on give a girl a break! After everything she has witnessed from the Luthor's, 90 % of it being bad, should she have believed him blindly? Come on! I would have acted the same way!

[LuckyKrypto]

The only reason she should have is so I wouldn't have to wait to find out what Lionel is so up set about. :)

[LexLuv180]

Yes, she should have listened, just because he was acting so out of character. He's never acted desperate before, that should tell her it's urgent.

[svtwamedfan05]

I think she should have atleast given Lionel the benefit of the doubt. I mean seriously the poor guy got on his knees and begged. She did not have to act the way she did. She could have listened to him. I mean isn't that what reporters do. They listen and investigate to see if he was right or not. I mean neither Clark nor Chloe listened to him and I felt sorry for the guy. Atleast Lois listened to him, she went to investigate him and found out the truth.

[SueB]

He's a master of manipulation, I think she was afraid to listen and be roped back in.

[ginnyfan]

I know Lionel isnt the most trustworthy person but should Chloe have taken a minute to listen?? I think I would have flinched when he started going down on his knees to beg! A luthor begging for crying out loud!


Anyway, should Chloe have listened??

Part of me feels like... Chloe was too callus. But another part of me feels like, Lionel is a murderer. He tried to murder Chloe, he murdered his parents.

So I... I guess I'm torn. I think Chloe has better instincts than that. I understand her pulling away and wanting nothing to do with him... but the way she ran out... she was shaken. I hope she tries to investigate what may be on it's way. Lionel on his KNEES!? Something's up.

But all that stuff about repentance? That was weird. Maybe she just figured it was all part of some grand spiritual act.

[morethanmeetstheye]

Atleast Lois listened to him, she went to investigate him and found out the truth.

I don't think that Lois listened to him. She just found the picture that he left out for Lana that was hard evidence of Lex's involvement.

Plus, Lois and Chloe's situations are entirely different. Lionel was asking Chloe for her trust in him.

Considering he had lied to her face in the previous episode when he was supposed to be "good", I can see why she would not trust him.

[clarkbunny]

For a minute there it looked like she was gonna hear him out but then she shrugged him off. I was so willing her to listen but I can see why she didn't want to - Lionel's antics almost got Clark killed.

[Eri-El]

I wish she would have listened.....:(

[Sweetie]

She should have taken at least few minutes to hear him out to judge what was so important.

[kal-el returns]

As viewers, we should also consider, would a Luthor ever get down on their knees and beg??? As Luthors, they have everything, and have no reason to beg, they manipulate everything to their advantage/benefit. If Lionel Luthor getting on his knees and begging didn't imply some importance in what he had to say, then idk what else he had to do to prove his point.

[Kal el of krypton]

they're just trying to show as everyone lost faith in lionel and can't be trusted thats why they made him beg and chloe still didn't listen, for sympathy so we feel it more when he dies:rotfl:

[Dojj]

i think chloe and clark's actions, ignoring lionel, are completely reasonable. Some people are quick to say otherwise, with the benefit of seeing the story from a narrative point of view, but seriously, HE KIDNAPPED CLARK and placed him in a KRYPTONITE CAGE to cover up his MURDERS.

Trust is a very hard thing to earn back once it's been lost

[Dor el]

Chloe should have seen the desperation in Lionel's face. It was way too obvious, and she should know him better and realize he is telling the truth. What kind of a reporter's eye does she have?

So true. This was way out of character for Lionel. A good journalist never rejects a potential lead. But, a good friend would probably reject the ramblings of a friend's adversary.

[borednow]

Yes she should have. Absolutely 100% should have at lest listened to what he had to say. Ignoring Lionel is about as stupid a move as possible. As I said in the should Clark have listened thread. Chloe knows Lionel knows not only her secret but Clark's and has the power to ruin their lives with a wave of his hand, so maybe giving him the benefit of the doubt might just be in order. Plus come on, Lionel was begging something has to be up...