TV Ratings for Fracture

[xrayvision]

This thread is for the discussion of TV ratings once they're available.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm hoping there's at least 4 million viewers, but I'm guessing that it'll be around 3.8-3.9.

[bizzaroboy9]

6 millions viewers!!! :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

:lol:

I think if it had 6 million viewers, the CW might order three more seasons and a couple of spin-offs!

[clana4everfan2]

I think there will be a great deal of viewers.. I saw more trailers being played on the CW this week for this episode.

[minerva73]

The ratings this year (2008) seem to be rising by the episode...even if it's only been 3 so far. I'm hoping it'll just reach 4 million. :)

[MidgardDragon]

I think we'll be in the 4's still, not sure how much it'll go up, though.

[6-Super-Man -5]

If we get 4 million and up, I am pretty sure a Season 8 is possible, hey! maybe even a Season 9 too!

[Jack-El49]

Viewer number warning: A major cable outage in South Florida tonight with Comcast. Almost all of the two big counties suffered the outage from about 7:30 to 10:00 PM. :mad:

[Mar-El]

If we get 4 million and up, I am pretty sure a Season 8 is possible, hey! maybe even a Season 9 too!

Why stop there? Let's just round it upwards to 10 seasons :p

This episode might get decent ratings considering there was a promo for it at the end of last episode.

[bizzaroboy9]

lets cross our fingers for the rating to be above 4.50 million viewers but it would be cool to get six million viewers!!!

[TheLastKryptonian]

I believe the CW viewer record for Smallville was for Justice at 5.25 million viewers. Bizarro and Cure have gotten 5.18 million so anything more than those figures would be amazing. Not sure if DVR were taken into account though.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Why stop there? Let's just round it upwards to 10 seasons :p

This episode might get decent ratings considering there was a promo for it at the end of last episode.

10 Season would be heaven! I would be so very delighted, if 10 seasons were produced, the series would probably end 2012. I am thinking "Fracture" is gonna get 3.50 million to 4 million.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Why it could go up from last week:
1. Decreased competition
2. There was a trailer for it right after the last new episode, which "Siren" didn't have.

Why it could go down:
1. Yesterday was a "holiday."
2. There were no big, promotable guest characters (unless you count Kara).


I guess we'll see in a few hours.

[MidgardDragon]

The overnights should be out soon or already, anybody got 'em yet?

[ClarkyBoy14]

BestEpisodeEver-321, come out, come out, wherever you are! :p

[margroks]

Why it could go up? Minimal Lana. IF they would just promote that or the idea that Clark is finally getting a clue then the ratings would go way up. Sadly, they haven't figured this out yet. I've never felt that Smallville was promoted as much as it should be from the very beginning. Trailers at end of eps always help if they're well done but hurt if they are terribly misleading as they sometimes are. That makes viewers unhappy. The more casual viewer could easiliy be turned off by such tactics just as much as by too much of unpleasant characters and lack of continuity and poor characterizations of the main character, Clark. I sometimes wonder about the mindset of those in charge of hyping this or other shows on the CW because they don't always do a very good job and that does affect the ratings.

When do the ratings come out?

[Best Episode - 321]

Well the overnights are in and they are the lowest of the season.

CW’s Smallville (2.8/ 4)

__________________________________________________ _______

Season 7 Week to Week

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.82 million*
Cure................5.18 million*
Action..............4.65 million*
Lara................4.38 million*
Wrath..............4.64 million*
Blue.................4.51 million*
Gemini.............3.71 million*
Persona............3.81 million*
Siren.................4.01 million*
Fracture..............?

* - Final Rating

Season Average - 4.50 million

[ClarkyBoy14]

Here's what Marc Berman had to say:

"If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring."

He also labeled it as "Fading Fast."

All things considered, I don't think that that's a very fair assessment. Also, I think it's funny how he never once praised SV's ratings when it was doing well this season, but the second it slips, he's all over it. :rolleyes:

[MidgardDragon]

Here's what Marc Berman had to say:

"If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring."

He also labeled it as "Fading Fast."

All things considered, I don't think that that's a very fair assessment. Also, I think it's funny how he never once praised SV's ratings when it was doing well this season, but the second it slips, he's all over it. :rolleyes:

He sounds about as out-of-touch as The CW itself. It's funny how one of their few ratings-winners is "fading fast". I bet he went on to praise Gossip Girl as the next big thing. :lol:

[jimmyolsenblues]

this is not good.
W’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). Compared to the year-ago evening, this original edition of Smallville dipped by a hefty 1.07 million viewers (4.76 to 3.67 million) and 21 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.5/ 4). If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring.

[wolverine316]

I think they should end it this season with a 2 hour movie. Al/Miles need to chill with their greed and leave on their terms not on CW's.

[BadToad]

And now with another hiatus coming up? Thats terrible timing.

[MidgardDragon]

I think they should end it this season with a 2 hour movie. Al/Miles need to chill with their greed and leave on their terms not on CW's.

Al/Miles term are to do *at least* a 10 episode arc to finish out the series. That won't happen if they end it at this season. A shortened Season 8 (12 episodes, IMO) would be the perfect way to end it. It's not about greed at this point (other than CW's apparent lack of it since they want to kill their high rated scripted shows) but finishing the story in a non-rushed way.

[ClarkyBoy14]

this is not good.
Ws Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). Compared to the year-ago evening, this original edition of Smallville dipped by a hefty 1.07 million viewers (4.76 to 3.67 million) and 21 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.5/ 4). If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring.

At least it's not a series low. :\

[joesmallville]

this is not good.
W’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). Compared to the year-ago evening, this original edition of Smallville dipped by a hefty 1.07 million viewers (4.76 to 3.67 million) and 21 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.5/ 4). If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring.

So CW should cancel their highest rated scripted show.

Yeah this guy is a genius

[ClarkyBoy14]

Has anyone noticed that the episodes promoted as being more "Lex-Centric" ("Fracture," "Onyx," "Lexmas," etc.) usually take a dip in the ratings? I wonder why, considering they're usually some of the best.

[warriorrenegade]

Smallville just got kicked in the nuts.

[ClarkyBoy14]

And now with another hiatus coming up? Thats terrible timing.

The next three weeks Idol will be on Thursday, so maybe it's more of a good thing?

If the CW advertises right, I think the next group of episodes could possibly bring some of the old viewers back.

Also, by the time the next new episode airs PCD, ANTM, BatG, EHC, AiA, and possibly The Game will all be back and airing new eps., so that means more people who will see the new SV promos.

[tariksam]

If the CW advertises right, I think the next group of episodes could possibly bring some of the old viewers back.

That's the thing The CW DOESN'T advertise right Samllville.....they are taking it for granted

[6-Super-Man -5]

In the past week, I watched the CW on TV to see a Smallville promotion and I think I only saw about 5, come on CW, you can promo more for your highest rating drama show!

[Bosrudorfer]

Ouch :eek:

That does suck, especially because I really liked Siren and thought more people would turn in next week.

However, being at school alot of people drove home for the long weekend. Monday is a day off so everyone goes home. About half of the 20,000 don't have classes on Friday, then you add those who skipped.

Or is this related to the writers strike damage?

[Jack-El49]

Like I posted earlier, much of the 6 Million people in South Florida Fort Lauderdale to South Miami last night were without cable (thatnks Comcast) and that may have had a small effect on SV.

[JEWCY]

I like to check the ratings just like all of you other fans, but I think it really is taken out of context.

remember, dvr's are more prevalent in homes today then they were a year ago (and years past where the numbers did better).

does it really matter at this point what the ratings for smallville are getting? it's not like the series is trying to establish itself. it has already been around and most likely going to be around next season to finish up-so i dont understand why people are getting so bent out of shape for it.

new shows like one tree hill, supernatural, and the "critically acclaimed" gossip girl all do worst on average compared to smallville.

what do ratings mean anyways in a couple years for a show that will get its full run? nothing. The CW sucks and luckily smallville stuck around after season 5 and the CW will be around long enough when the show ends, so fans lucked out in that case.

the ratings, to me, have no indication people stop watching the show. i could care less if 8 million watched in 2001 compared to 4 million in 2008.

[MidgardDragon]

Oh trust me I know ratings are not nearly as important as they are made out to be, but the networks consider them important still. They've yet to figure out that more people than just a bunch of homes with Nielsen boxes are watching their show, for some reason. Especially since Nielsen boxes are more uncommon than they are common (considering that even the homes with Nielsen boxes have many TV's in other rooms that aren't hooked up to the box). But since the network considers them important, then technically they are important.

However, in context, Smallville is doing decent-to-good. They're still the top scripted show on this network, and the only shows that ever get above it are ANTM and Smackdown (which I believe CW is losing anyway). I think many of us are just puzzled why a great episode with a great promo following a great episode with two DC heroes managed to sink in the ratings. Very strange thing to happen.

[Bosrudorfer]

the ratings, to me, have no indication people stop watching the show. i could care less if 8 million watched in 2001 compared to 4 million in 2008.

If you have investments you want to get the highest possible return on investment you can. If you can't, then you move your money elsewhere. The networks are in it to make $, I'm sure they watch them closely just like investors watch their investments close

[ClarkyBoy14]

JEWCY, I think the reasons why the ratings are still important for SV are 1) it determines how high the budget will be for future episodes, 2) whether or not the CW will expand the final season by a few episodes, and 3) they will determine whether or not we get some sort of spin-off in the future.

But this time next year, the ratings will make no difference at all. :D

Btw, VD may have had an effect on last night's numbers. I'm interested in seeing the L+7 when they're made available.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----

Matt, I agree that "Fracture" had a very good trailer, but I think the problem is that it may have made it look a bit too much like SN, and SV is more of a family show than SN is.

Also, what's w/ the CW's fear of saying more episodes are still coming this season when there's a repeat the next week? :confused:

[JEWCY]

JEWCY, I think the reasons why the ratings are still important for SV are 1) it determines how high the budget will be for future episodes, 2) whether or not the CW will expand the final season by a few episodes, and 3) they will determine whether or not we get some sort of spin-off in the future.

But this time next year, the ratings will make no difference at all. :D

Btw, VD may have had an effect on last night's numbers. I'm interested in seeing the L+7 when they're made available.



yea i understand your point there...i like smallville more for the dialogue and character interactions than the special effects...not to say i don't like them or want them to be bad.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I agree, I think alot of people recorded "Fracture" because of Valentine's Day plans. Great episode, hope it goes up in the Finals.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yeah I agree, most people i think recorded "Fracture"

[redraven]

Has anyone noticed that the episodes promoted as being more "Lex-Centric" ("Fracture," "Onyx," "Lexmas," etc.) usually take a dip in the ratings? I wonder why, considering they're usually some of the best.

I was about to point that out until I saw your post.

Except I disagree about the last part...but that's not what this thread's about so...! :)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Finals:
Viewers: 3.673 million
HH: 2.4/4
A18-49: 1.5/4
A18-34: 1.6/5

Source: PI Feedback

I don't think there was much change.

Interesting to note, though, is that "Fracture's" 18-34 year old (the CW's target demographic) rating (1.6/5) is the same as "Gemini" and "Persona" and that despite hitting a season low, SV is still the CW's number one scripted program. :p

[curiosity]

this is not good.
W’s Smallville (Viewers: #5, 3.67 million; A18-49: #4, 1.5/ 4). Compared to the year-ago evening, this original edition of Smallville dipped by a hefty 1.07 million viewers (4.76 to 3.67 million) and 21 percent among adults 18-49 (1.9/ 5 to 1.5/ 4). If the CW was in better shape, Smallville would probably conclude this spring.



You can't compare it to last season. Last season, there wasn't a writer's strike to make everyone think there probably aren't any new episodes anyway. Not everyone watches spoiler boards and forums.

Although, a Kara and "Lex's mind" centered show isn't the same as Clark centered. It does nothing for Clark's story, or Lois, or anything else for that matter. And we don't even know how many more episodes we'll ever see, or if there's a next season, so when they steer away from Clark, what motivation do we have to watch?

While the graphic scene for Lex and Lana was "eww" and kind of shocking and might help break them up, we already knew about that, and didn't really need to see into Lex's mind. I would rather have seen Lois chasing down some criminals, unkown criminals, and Clark helping her and saving her.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

And now with another hiatus coming up? Thats terrible timing.

Another hiatus coming is THE PROBLEM.

[minerva73]

Another hiatus coming is THE PROBLEM.

Isn't there always some kind of hiatus during the years around this time? In Season 6, it was from February 15th to March 15th. This year it's from February 14th to March 13th.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Looks like we reached the seasonal '2nd-half decline'....

[paolinki25]

A shame, really, cause this was one of the few good episodes this season has had.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I agree, this episode was good.

[LegendaryU2K]

Last week ratings was up, this week it was down. Well lets get to it fans, keep doing our job of promoting the show and spread the word. And besides, sometimes people have to work and are kinda busy , so they might not have to watch it, maybe if they air the episode again or make sure everybody is able to watch it, or maybe promote the show better, well the ratings will stay up.

Lets hope the next new episode, the ratings will go up :)

[6-Super-Man -5]

I am hoping the next episode has really high ratings, I think "Traveler" is gonna get around 3.5 million and "Veritas" is gonna get 4 million and over, I think the last five will be successful, but thats my call, its up to the people to watch, but I agree, sometimes people have jobs and can't watch it.

[jack1487]

Thats the problem the CW does not promote Smallville, I get Entertainment Weekly and only have seen promotion,s for GG, OTH, TWild, etc. If this network (if we want to be so bold) had the faintest ideal of how to market anything we would not be in this state with this great show in my HP!!!!

Oh! and there is a large group of us older citizens that like and watch this show each week of course the networks and advertisers don't think we spent any money so they treat us like we don't exist. Hopefully we will get another season, got my fingers crossed! Anyhow my two cents worth....


Take Care,

Jack :rolleyes:

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Oh! and there is a large group of us older citizens that like and watch this show each week of course the networks and advertisers don't think we spent any money so they treat us like we don't exist.

Very true.
I sometimes feel like the CW wants me to apologize for the fact that I am not 14 years anymore.....
:\

[Jack-El49]

Thats the problem the CW does not promote Smallville, I get Entertainment Weekly and only have seen promotion,s for GG, OTH, TWild, etc. If this network (if we want to be so bold) had the faintest ideal of how to market anything we would not be in this state with this great show in my HP!!!!

Oh! and there is a large group of us older citizens that like and watch this show each week of course the networks and advertisers don't think we spent any money so they treat us like we don't exist. Hopefully we will get another season, got my fingers crossed! Anyhow my two cents worth....


Take Care,

Jack :rolleyes:

Ditto! Not everyone who tunes in is 18-34 and some of us are even over 50. The odd fact is that us older viewers are the ones who can actually afford to buy the crap that is advertised during the commercial breaks. :\

If many are like me, we go directly from SV to something else on another channel because SV is about the best the CW has to offer IMO. SO it would be in the CW's best interest to promote the show - even if it only has this and maybe next season left. :rolleyes:

Another Jack

PS - I still believe that the major cable outage in South Florida influenced this rating. There are 6 million people in South Florida and if half are on cable, that's 3 million. If half of those were effected, that's 1.5 million without cable during SV although I think there are more people with cable than satellite (due to the weather down here). If 15% normally watched SV, then that's 225K less viewers for SV. That could have put the numbers closer to 3.9 Million viewers - a slight dip from the previous week.

[beatles4]

Something else to spoil the correct ratings number for this episode is that the cable went out in Flagstaff, Arizona that evening! My friend was all prepared to watch it, as I had seen it the night before, but was unable to do so. Who knows, that could have also affected other areas near there, as it seems as if the bad weather was to blame!

[MidgardDragon]

You can't compare it to last season. Last season, there wasn't a writer's strike to make everyone think there probably aren't any new episodes anyway. Not everyone watches spoiler boards and forums.

Although, a Kara and "Lex's mind" centered show isn't the same as Clark centered. It does nothing for Clark's story, or Lois, or anything else for that matter. And we don't even know how many more episodes we'll ever see, or if there's a next season, so when they steer away from Clark, what motivation do we have to watch?

The motivation of this show being, and having always been, about Clark *and* Lex's journey.

[jack1487]

Very true.
I sometimes feel like the CW wants me to apologize for the fact that I am not 14 years anymore....


Yeah, the same goes for me too and I must say that I pass 50 about 20 years ago and also feel that they want to slap me on the wrist for it, or somewhere else!!!!


Ditto! Not everyone who tunes in is 18-34 and some of us are even over 50. The odd fact is that us older viewers are the ones who can actually afford to buy the crap that is advertised during the commercial breaks. :\

If many are like me, we go directly from SV to something else on another channel because SV is about the best the CW has to offer IMO. SO it would be in the CW's best interest to promote the show - even if it only has this and maybe next season left. :rolleyes:

Another Jack

PS - I still believe that the major cable outage in South Florida influenced this rating. There are 6 million people in South Florida and if half are on cable, that's 3 million. If half of those were effected, that's 1.5 million without cable during SV although I think there are more people with cable than satellite (due to the weather down here). If 15% normally watched SV, then that's 225K less viewers for SV. That could have put the numbers closer to 3.9 Million viewers - a slight dip from the previous week.


The only other show that I watch is Supernatural after that it's to some other channel I can't see what CBS (and I am saying this as a retiree) and Warner Brother's sees in the top staff that they have placed in charge, I mean what have they done nothing, nothing and more nothing no imagination from anyone of them, heck Shelby has more then they do..

Also yes, I agree that the outage's most likely caused a ratings dip it was a very good show... Anyhow my 2cents once again...

Take Care,

Jack :rotfl:

[bizzaroboy9]

Season 7 Week to Week

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.82 million*
Cure................5.18 million*
Action..............4.65 million*
Lara................4.38 million*
Wrath..............4.64 million*
Blue.................4.51 million*
Gemini.............3.71 million*
Persona............3.81 million*
Siren.................4.01 million*
Fracture..............3.63 million*
* - Final Rating
Season Average - 4.43 million

[curiosity]

The motivation of this show being, and having always been, about Clark *and* Lex's journey.


Yes, it is Midgard Dragon, but there may only be a few episodes left. We aren't sure of another season, so why look into Lex's mind? If we had a few season's to go it would be fine. I thought it was an ok episode. But it proceeded another break after only 3 episodes.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

Isn't there always some kind of hiatus during the years around this time? In Season 6, it was from February 15th to March 15th. This year it's from February 14th to March 13th.

No matter how it's paced, there would have been at least 6-7 episodes before another break, this one was only 3. It's not a good audience incentive, IMO.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yes, it is Midgard Dragon, but there may only be a few episodes left. We aren't sure of another season, so why look into Lex's mind? If we had a few season's to go it would be fine. I thought it was an ok episode. But it proceeded another break after only 3 episodes.

For starters, it wasn't supposed to lead into another break.

[curiosity]

For starters, it wasn't supposed to lead into another break.

:confused::confused:
It doesn't change the fact that we don't know if we'll get another seaon, so look into Clark, not Lex. IMO.

[DreadShamus]

Season 7 Week to Week

Bizarro............5.18 million*
Kara................4.59 million*
Fierce..............4.82 million*
Cure................5.18 million*
Action..............4.65 million*
Lara................4.38 million*
Wrath..............4.64 million*
Blue.................4.51 million*
Gemini.............3.71 million*
Persona............3.81 million*
Siren.................4.01 million*
Fracture..............3.63 million*
* - Final Rating
Season Average - 4.43 million

Lowest of the season. I would have expected this episode to lower next weeks viewers, not last weeks lowering this weeks.

[ClarkyBoy14]

:confused::confused:
It doesn't change the fact that we don't know if we'll get another seaon, so look into Clark, not Lex. IMO.

Lex is a main character just as much as Clark is.

[bizzaroboy9]

what do you think the numbers will be for the live + 7?

[MidgardDragon]

Lex is a main character just as much as Clark is.

Exactly. Besides the fact that we'll most likely get another season (as all the news seems to indicate) if the show finishes without Lex's journey properly finished, it's just as much a disappointment as if it ends without Clark's journey properly finished.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yep. And the chances of having MR back are lower than getting a S8, so they need to be showing alot of Lex right now.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I guess your right, they need Lex alot now.

[skully]

Shame about the low numbers. But meh, we now have a 20 episode season to savor, and then hopefully season 8.

What chance "Hero" nailing 4.5 million with Pete returning?

[Jack-El49]

I think chances are good IF CW PROMOTES the show.

[TheLastKryptonian]

I think chances are good IF CW PROMOTES the show.

IMO The CW does a fair job of promoting. What they really need to do is make their station available to more households and regions in the U.S., for example it's available on SOME cable networks but not satellite. It apparently only covers approx 83% of the country last time I checked (lower than The WB that cover approx 91% or even UPN that covered 86%). So they're really missing out on a guaranteed extra average of 2 million viewers at least for every episode they show. They SAY they plan to eventually get to at least 95% of the country but they sure are taking their sweet time. What I would really love would be if the Smallville series finale had huge ratings (30 million would be awesome but heck I'd be happy with even 10 million). Ex: the final episode of Seinfeld had like 99% of the whole TV audience that night, I think Smallville deserves the same when the time comes but it won't happen if it isn't available to those who would like to see it.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I`d be happy if the series finale hit six million. ;)

[finalbahamut]

Fracture wasn't really a good episose soit's expected to be the lowest hopefully it'll do well next episode.

[bizzaroboy9]

The Live+7 numbers was released for Fracture, 4.18 million viewers. Not bad!

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yay Smallville!
"Lost had its audience increase by 30.5% over its Live airing placing it second for the week. Smallville and October Road round out the largest % increase Top 5. ABC had the most time-shifted shows on a % basis with 6 of the 20."

Rank~Programs~ Network~ Persons Live+7~ Persons Live~ Timeshifted Audience~ % Increase

3.---SMALLVILLE ---CW-----------4,184-----------3,298------------- 886-------------------26.9%

[ClarkyBoy14]

Not bad.

I hope next week's can do well.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Congratulations to Smallville on getting picked up for an 8th Season!!!!

Us ratings watchers must have had an influence;)