I simply like Oliver more...

[HowardFilms]

Just as someone else pointed out with Bizarro last week...I've realized I was totally into this episode and found myself disappointed when Clark showed up.

Coming from a longtime Superman fan...

Now maybe it's just cuz GA is something a little newer, and Clark is just well Clark. But I find it odd that on this show about the Superman story, GA is the only real superhero around...Green Arrow...what the hell? Next thing you know they're gonna make Aquaman cool.

[ash91]

i'm not sure who i like more but they're completely different people. GA has an edge to him because is prepared to do things that seem morallly grey to clark, in order to get justice. also a lot of the things GA says to clark are true, like the fact that clark should use his powers to help the wider world and not just the people he loves. he shows clark up since he is risking his life fighting crime whereas clark has these abilities and he does use them to their full potential

[defga]

I like GA more than clark at times as well, mostly because of how he is not afraid to stick it to clark and tell to quit hanging out on the farm. Ollie is the one who is much more vulnerable and cannot speed home across the planet in a minute, but he's the one going out there and making the big difference.

[BlackIce]

Just as someone else pointed out with Bizarro last week...I've realized I was totally into this episode and found myself disappointed when Clark showed up.

Coming from a longtime Superman fan...

Now maybe it's just cuz GA is something a little newer, and Clark is just well Clark. But I find it odd that on this show about the Superman story, GA is the only real superhero around...Green Arrow...what the hell? Next thing you know they're gonna make Aquaman cool.

Couldn't agree more. I am actually getting sick of Clark and the way the writers are portraying him. His hypocrasy is just getting retarded.

[PepsiMax]

:lol: True. I found myself enoying the GA a little too much as well. What can you do? GA is hot and Clark is not - yet! :D

[gategod]

I've always found myself liking Oliver/Green Arrow more than Clark, but that's only because Clark season 6 onwards seems weird to me :p

[Billy Jor-El]

Oh, absolutely. Oliver has a much more hard edged, real agenda, and he is not afraid to fight for justice, he's afraid not to. I loved his coming down on Farm Boy with his comment about how Clark is hiding on the farm in domestic bliss while the world is cracking all around (paraphrased, but you know...).

This ep wasn't really a Clark ep, I think it was more of a "relationships" ep, and who is siding with whom......leaving Lex, again, alone, isolated, and further into the Dark Side...

[superman07]

I agree i was almost forgetting what GA had brought to the hero scene on Smallville. I def liked him more than clark in this episode.

[kentfamily]

I also liked GA in this episode. He was hot and very sexy. Too bad Lois dumped him.

On another note, hey! did you know in the comics (thats what I heard), everyone (superheroes and villains) is afraid of Batman? Even Superman is afraid of him. Why is everyone afraid of Batman?

[eas]

No, it's not just you. I also love SVGreen Arrow & I was really bummed when he left last season. I think it's not just how he's written, but also Hartley freaking rocks that role. He's a great actor and he's got great chemistry with all the cast. (Just even the simple line that he uttered when Lois mentions the GA kiss from "Hydro". "Yes, I remember... in percise detail." I was LOL.)

Unfortunately, Welling doesn't get to do the same with SVClark Kent. I don't know why AlMiles thinks that Superman = personality-less drone, but they seem to think that poor Clark is never allowed to crack a smile.

But, within the context of SV, I think that preferring GA to Clark is like preferring Batman to Superman in canon. Nothing wrong with it. Batman *is* cooler than Superman. And, in SV, GA is cooler than Clark Kent.

[MozartRequiem]

Green Arrow is definitely in a different point in his life right now than Clark, so I can't say I like either one totally better, although I lean towards Green Arrow sometimes because he's so proactive about helping people. But like I said, they're at different points in life, and I don't think it's a detriment to the show that GA is the only real super hero around. I think it makes things more interesting that Clark ISN'T a total super hero yet, because that keeps the development fresh. Just like how Lionel last season was still inadvertently teaching Lex how to be a true super villain, Ollie teaches Clark how to put a true super hero. It seems now that Clark and Lex's destinies are starting to fall more and more into place, though, and I think that's really cool.

But yeah, GA has a certain edge to him that makes him interesting, and a sort of wittily funny quality as well. However, Clark is the uncompromising moral compass, and I really admire that too, especially in a time as morally shady as we're in nowadays.

So, to conclude, I love them both for different reasons! Two great super hero characters at different chapters in their lives! (although I agree with GA that Clark needs to be MUCH more proactive!) Hartley really got me so much more interested in this character. Until SV, I didn't really know much about the GA, and now he's one of my top DC characters!

"On another note, hey! did you know in the comics (thats what I heard), everyone (superheroes and villains) is afraid of Batman? Even Superman is afraid of him. Why is everyone afraid of Batman?"

Batman, if you've seen "Batman Begins", or read any of the darker versions of the comic, designed his suit specifically to strike fear into the hearts of criminals. Bats isn't like Superman or GA, costume-wise. He's a whole different element. The bat itself is a creature that is known for being scary to many people, and when you take that and add to it Batman's sometimes startling anger and ferocious fight moves, you can see why even criminals fear him. Batman is the most no-nonsense hero in the DC universe, I believe, and for that reason, he is very much a mystery to most people. And mysteries scare people. To quote Batman's trainer, Rhas Al Ghul, "Men fear most what they cannot see." Batman, therefore, lurks in the darkness, in the shadows, keeping quiet...just until he sneaks up and attacks! And even though he doesn't kill people, he seriously injures the criminals that really deserve it (like the Joker) and that is a different sort of style than most super heroes.

If you want to know more about Bats, feel free to ask me (I'm equally passionate about the character of Batman as I am about Superman), and also, you may want to check out the aforementioned "Batman Begins" to see how Bats uses fear as his main weapon against criminals.

[eas]

I also liked GA in this episode. He was hot and very sexy. Too bad Lois dumped him.

On another note, hey! did you know in the comics (thats what I heard), everyone (superheroes and villains) is afraid of Batman? Even Superman is afraid of him. Why is everyone afraid of Batman?

Uumm... I'm not sure about the comics, but from what I've seen in the animated series ("JLU", "S:TAS", "BB", and "Batman") everyone is afraid of Batman because he's considered something of a genius. Kind of the 'good' version of Lex Luthor. And his ethical line is a little more blurred than that of the other members of the JL. I wouldn't characterize Superman as being afraid of him, but Superman does have a healthy amount of respect for Batman and is also very hard on him when it comes to Batman's more morally questionable decisions. Superman also realizes that some jobs are meant for a Batman, because it requires brains and finesse, which is something that Batman has more of than Superman. On the flip side, Batman has a huge amount of respect and awe for Superman - even though he very rarely shows it. Both have a very sarcastic relationship with each other and rarely - if ever - show that they like each other openly.

[lastwords]

Green Arrow just rocks. He's compleatly ready to give up everything to save the world, while Clark just seems to repeatidly save Lana, Chole, Lois ect.
If Clark and Lois ever got together what would GA do? That could be funny to see if he still liked Lois... a kryptionite arrow through the heart...
But Oliver just brings so much more intrest to the show for me.
Poor Clark.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Green Arrow is way more a hero than Clark is today.

[MozartRequiem]

"I wouldn't characterize Superman as being afraid of him, but Superman does have a healthy amount of respect for Batman and is also very hard on him when it comes to Batman's more morally questionable decisions."

That's very true! Did anyone here read that comic, I believe it's a John Byrne comic, one of the "Man of Steel" series (the 1986 reboot of the Supes mythology)...there was this story in there that shows Superman and Batman's first encounters with each other. Batman is in Gotham and is terrorizing this criminal, who keeps running away from him. Bats tells the criminal to stop running, but the guy doesn't. So Bats throws his Bat-a-rang into the air and ties it around a statue and is about to let it crash onto the guy's body, saying to himself, "Oh well. I hope he can live with not being able to walk correctly for the rest of his life," or something like that, and then Supes stops him, and they get into this big fight about their different styles of crime fighting. Superman is like, "I think this guy has had enough, Batman!" and Batman is all enraged and says, "This is MY town, Superman! You don't know Gotham City like me. Let me handle it MY way!"

By the end, though, they do have that respect for one another, even if they have totally different styles and question each other from time to time. Their relationship is one of the most complex and intriguing of the super heroes in the DC universe, so I really wish we could see that sometime in SV.

[superhippie2000]

i the clark needs more to do lol. he doesnt do much most of the metor freaks are done with and clark has nothing to do. he should take ollies advice and get out of town and find something else to do. i mean its not toms fault that clark is becoming lame cause we know he can do an awesome job when being un clark like. like bizarro or red k clark. i think when clark goes off to find brainiac then things will get better for him. unless he calls in the league to defeat brainiac for him lol.

[SweetOne]

No, it's not just you. I also love SVGreen Arrow & I was really bummed when he left last season. I think it's not just how he's written, but also Hartley freaking rocks that role. He's a great actor and he's got great chemistry with all the cast. (Just even the simple line that he uttered when Lois mentions the GA kiss from "Hydro". "Yes, I remember... in percise detail." I was LOL.)

I feel the same way. The Green Arrow was my favorite part of season 6. When he left I was heartbroken, he just added so much excitement and action to the show. And I also felt that he was such a complete character, whereas Clark is written as so wishy-washy. And yes Hartley definitely plays the heck out of the role!!! He was made for that green hood! When I first saw the GA in full costume I practically went up in flames!! He wears it so well. Also I think Hartley and Durance have amazing chemistry, in fact her scenes with the Ollie always seem to turn out the best IMO.

I miss him on the show and I wish he could stay for more than one episode. I will never forget, (probably my favorite scene with him) was when Lois and he made a bet on whether or not he could hit the can. He was so adorable, pretending like he wasn't that good, and then making it appear that he had missed....when in reality he was SO GOOD that he nailed the can right through the tab.

*sigh* That scene makes my heart melt....:)

[lastwords]

I miss him on the show and I wish he could stay for more than one episode. I will never forget, (probably my favorite scene with him) was when Lois and he made a bet on whether or not he could hit the can. He was so adorable, pretending like he wasn't that good, and then making it appear that he had missed....when in reality he was SO GOOD that he nailed the can right through the tab.

*sigh* That scene makes my heart melt....:)

Lets start of with the *that scene makes my heart melt....* I didn't figure it was all to original BUT i never thought i'd find someone other then me who says it.

As for the scene with the pop can god, it was so awsome. It was like the best scene ever, If i ever meet a green clad archer and he says something about a hitting a pop can for a kiss i would run up and check the cans tab just to make sure.

........it really makes your heart melt like chocolate.

[j-kent]

the point here wasn't to show up Clark but was a heat-of-the-moment remark with a grain of truth toward Clark. What ollie said is the reason who are watching smallville and not superman. It isn't that Clark doesn't decide to help the world its that he just isn't ready to leave those he cares about behind which is what makes him more human than ever. Until he stops limiting himself, and realize his destiny and vast powers are beyond smallville were stuck with sv n not superman... N none could blame ck for that feeling

[last man of krypton]

It isn't that Clark doesn't decide to help the world its that he just isn't ready to leave those he cares about behind which is what makes him more human than ever.

I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent, but let's not forget that Oliver is a human, and he understands that he needs to sacrifice aspects of his life for the sake of the world.

[LoveLiving]

Olliver is also a few years older than Clark - he's Lex's age, remember they went to prep school together. Give Clark a few more years....Plus Ollie is "repenting" for what they did to Lex's friend in the school, while Clark heard nothing else from Jonathan that "your actions have consequences". On top of all that, Clark is just learning about his true heritage, meeting relatives and other kryptonians left and right, and he keeps saving the WHOLE WORD en mass (which nobody else could do), not just individual people.

Another thought - does Ollie know of Clark's real heritage, or just thinks that he's human with special powers, like AC or Bart?

[freefall]

But, within the context of SV, I think that preferring GA to Clark is like preferring Batman to Superman in canon. Nothing wrong with it. Batman *is* cooler than Superman. And, in SV, GA is cooler than Clark Kent.

All of them are cool IMO, just in different ways.

Another thought - does Ollie know of Clark's real heritage, or just thinks that he's human with special powers, like AC or Bart?

No he doesn't. He simply thinks Clark is a metahuman.

[j-kent]

I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent, but let's not forget that Oliver is a human, and he understands that he needs to sacrifice aspects of his life for the sake of the world.

I also agree but that's just the difference between a boy and a man...not to much mention the resources that ollie has puts him in a better perspective of just how troubled the world is