How can Clois be together?

[luvinChlark]

Not that I want them to be together but when Lois was saying all those things about not being able to share a HERO with the world, and not being able to keep her mouth shut with the whole duel identity, made no sense to me. I thought she was supposed to end up with Clark Kent aka superman?? Smallville Lois Lane can't handle it?!

Thats the message I got from her words.

[sabi908]

It's called Irony...it's employed in many dramas esp in foreshadowing and what not!

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

btw Lois sorta contradicted herself....when Clark/Chloe walked into Ollie's apartment she was trying to protect his identity by trying them to look the other way

[aqgalaxy]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.

[sabi908]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.
ROFL! Yea u wish!

[aqgalaxy]

ROFL! Yea u wish! Thinking it's Irony is wishful thinking. They wouldn't have Lois Lane herself crying out this issue to Clark Kent, if it doesn't mean anything.

[niki]

At the very end though, they had some HEAVY HEAVY foreshadowing. What with Clark saying, "Maybe she'll get over the whole dual-identity thing someday" (*cough cough* with Superman), and then with the whole, "Why hang out with someone rich, hot, and famous when I can hang out with you?" comment by Lois.

Definitely hints at Clois being together. I think Lois has her issues now, but she'll get over them!

[MidgardDragon]

ROFL! Yea u wish!

Amen. MOD EDIT

[minerva73]

Maybe Lois just hasn't reached that level of maturity (not sure if it's the proper word for the scenario) yet. Like with Jimmy. At first he used to talk negatively on meteor freaks all the time and basically he thought that he could never be with a meteor freak, but when he found out about Chloe, he accepted it.

[jazel]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.

I didn't see the outing of Chloe's hair color, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Just cause Clois is not together today, does not mean they will never be together.
Lois will try not to love superman because she knows she is doomed to 2nd place.
But she will fail.
Lois will love superman no matter what happens today.

[sabi908]

MOD EDIT

[thehenry89]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.

Are you serious? dude that was the writers smashing anvils over the heads of the general audience. and BTW MKlois said pretty much the same thing about CRsuperman in Superman II. She also didn't want to share CK/superman with the world.

[SuperWoman88]

she said she wasn't ready YET!! i heard her say that. besides, she's still young and not yet the Lois Lane who can handle it, not to mention she just found this out. Also they made it clear OQ isn't worth her loyalty. she'll be ready when superman comes flying around. :D

[Ardiem3]

I think with time, shell get with Clark and will trust him and want to be with him more than Ollie having known Clark for much longer and knowing that Clark has always been there for his friends and family, and will do the same for her, no matter what happens.

[sabi908]

I didn't see the outing of Chloe's hair color, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Exactly...Correct me if im wrong but all she said was that she's about as Blonde as I am...and Black Canary is actually a Blonde which confirms that Chloe is also a blonde

[LoveHurts38]

Are you serious? dude that was the writers smashing anvils over the heads of the general audience. and BTW MKlois said pretty much the same thing about CRsuperman in Superman II. She also didn't want to share CK/superman with the world.

Exactly:D Superman II scene.

[minerva73]

she said she wasn't ready YET!! i heard her say that. besides, she's still young and not yet the Lois Lane who can handle it, not to mention she just found this out. Also they made it clear OQ isn't worth her loyalty. she'll be ready when superman comes flying around. :D

Whenever he starts flying. :lol:

[jazel]

Exactly...Correct me if im wrong but all she said was that she's about as Blonde as I am...and Black Canary is actually a Blonde which confirms that Chloe is also a blonde

CK looking confused, lol, it was a good scene.

[Mary Sullivan]

You understood it, she really can't handle it.

[SuperWoman88]

Whenever he starts flying. :lol:

true that lol. :rotfl:

[sabi908]

You understood it, she really can't handle it.
Oh but she will...and be great at it...and Clark will love her and bed her and marry her.....


BURNNN!

[jmf1]

Lois said she doesn't want to be left behind. Well, Supes can save the day and fly back to Lois and be home for dinner. Anyway, she's selfish and young yet. When she hits 30 and has grown up - she'll be ready to deal with duel identity. Also, she really doesn't mind Clark giving her the big hug.

As for Ollie, he looked interested in Canary at the end. If he was really broken hearted over Lois, I'm not so sure he would have let Diana Lance tell him what bad taste he has in Lois. The guy would have defended her - or should have.

[Mary Sullivan]

Just ignore them...I swear I'm sick of their illogical nonsence....they are just desperate shipper fans who want Chloe and Clark married.

Please, we are discussing as adults here. You can disagree with us but the least i ask here is respect, because something i always did was respect Cloisers and Clanas.

[celita]

As I said in other post, Ollie wanted to see Lois in the weekends, and Lois doesn't want that kind of relationship because she never had a "father" because he was saving the world and she was alone in her house taking care of Lucy. Clark won't see Lois in the weekends, she won't be at home wating for him. She will be right there sharing all her life with him, it's not the same situation at all.

It's the same with clana. If Clark wants to save the world he needs to let her behind, Lana herself says that she feels that she is holding Clark back. Lois won't do that in the future, she will be glad when Clark goes to save the world and she won't be waiting for him, she'll be with him all along.

I think it would be different if Ollie asks Lois to leave the town with him so they could fight to get justice together.

Besides, I think it was great that Lois told that to Clark, because in the future they will be in that same situation and he'll know that if he wants to be with Lois, she has to be an integral part of his life. She won't want to be at home making pie while he is saving the world.

Lois made a mature choice in "siren", she knew that her relationship with Ollie wouldn't work because they didn't want the same things, so she keeps the distance. Most of us are always claming that we want Clark doing right that in regards his relationship with Lana.

To end this post, I want to remind some people that Clark is afraid of heights and he is the future Superman anyway.

[Mary Sullivan]

MOD EDIT

[luvinChlark]

Well since most of you are saying she isn't ready b/c she still young, don't count on Clois happening next season. (which will most likely be the last) I doubt by then she'll be ready for CK/Superman! But you all have the movies too! :)

[WickedJenn]

One thing Lois DID demonstrate to Clark is the importance of following destiny. Giving someone up because they can do a lot more for the world as a whole.

[sabi908]

Please, we are discussing as adults here. You can disagree with us but the least i ask here is respect, because something i always did was respect Cloisers and Clanas.
there's a certain limit dude...i mean if you guys really demand respect then at least respect us by not barging into every thread with illogical nonsense .(which is what it really boils down to) ..you have a thread going on in speculation & theories...you can keep your arguments and theories there.

[jazel]

You understood it, she really can't handle it.

loved Lois's honesty..........
BOTH Ollie and CK trust her w/ the secret. She was protecting Ollie, when Clark and Chloe showed up. which was too sweet actually, never suspecting "they" knew.
somebody mentioned irony, Lois also so said there was NO way, she'd ever be a reporter either.:p

[luvinChlark]

there's a certain limit dude...i mean if you guys really demand respect then at least respect us by not barging into every thread with illogical nonsense .(which is what it really boils down to) ..you have a thread going on in speculation & theories...you can keep your arguments and theories there.

I agree

[wildenchantress_kt]

This is the tragedy of Lois and Clark. They can never really be together. At the end of Superman II when Lois knows about Clark's dual identity she understands what it really means to be in love with a hero.

"Why hang out with someone rich, hot, and famous when I can hang out with you?" was a great line. It was in someways ironic, Clark is going to be exactly like Oliver down the road. Clark is like Lois' best friend. She may always play down his assets but, it is all in good fun. Somewhere deep down there is a trust and understanding between them but it cloaked by friendly bickering and conflict.

This was one of my favourite scences in the series.

[Kal-ed]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.

I seem to remember MK Lois and TH Lois having the exact same issue, as well as comic book Lois, who actually walked out on him when they were engaged and after a while and talking to Lana she came back to marry him so I dont see how this is a Chlois hint at all.

Besides, people´s expectations dont always come true, I never picture my self in a long relationship, nor that I could be with a workaholic (me being a party animal) now Im on my 10th month with my gfriend and Im happy as hell and she´s actually a very hard worker and yet things turned out just fine and on the irony, I seem to remember TH Lois saying something about never having an office romance, hmm, looks like that went down the drain :), I also seem to remember Clark saying he was afraid of heights and that he would never wear a suit and cape, does that mean that wont happen??

[sabi908]

MOD EDIT

Yea...8 + 13

Do your math..

and very "mature" comeback there..

anyways...I'm not gonna off tangents here...back to the topic

[Super_Kara_2007]

I don't believe that Clark and Lois will be together because Lois has been hurt too many times to go through dating a guy with a secret identity like Green Arrow/Olliver.

[Mary Sullivan]

This thread is about opinion, if ou don't understand that you shouldn't be here. Sorry. And you can't make people post about Chlois just there, here it's a free forum, we can talk about this wherever we want.

[MidgardDragon]

Well since most of you are saying she isn't ready b/c she still young, don't count on Clois happening next season. (which will most likely be the last) I doubt by then she'll be ready for CK/Superman! But you all have the movies too! :)

I've never wanted Clois to happen on the show. It's pretty obvious this isn't their story.

[LoveHurts38]

One thing Lois DID demonstrate to Clark is the importance of following destiny. Giving someone up because they can do a lot more for the world as a whole.

Crowed pleaser...Not like someone we know;)

[theotherJane]

Well since most of you are saying she isn't ready b/c she still young, don't count on Clois happening next season. (which will most likely be the last) I doubt by then she'll be ready for CK/Superman! But you all have the movies too! :)

Don't you get it? Cloisers don't want full blow Clois. It's not going to happen on Smallville, we won't ever see it because Clark isn't Superman. This is the most we're probably ever gonna get. Hence all the foreshadowings.

[Mary Sullivan]

Yea...8 + 13

Do your math..

and very "mature" comeback there..

anyways...I'm not gonna off tangents here...back to the topicYeah, i had to ask because i'm giving my OPINION about it and you attack me.

[jazel]

As for Ollie, he looked interested in Canary at the end. If he was really broken hearted over Lois, I'm not so sure he would have let Diana Lance tell him what bad taste he has in Lois. The guy would have defended her - or should have.

more irony, if you can believe it.
BC was messing w/ him, for wanting her, to join the JL.lol

[WickedJenn]

Crowed pleaser...Not like someone we know;)

Uh huh :D

[jimmyolsenblues]

my opinion is the writers are totally saying look Clois ain't gonna happen on this show, but its totally going to happen the future.
no matter how much lois says she does not want to be second, she won't be able to stop loving superman.

[TaraLittle]

I think that Lois feels what Lana was feeling about Clark, when Lana felt like she couldn't stand up to Clark's standards, but Lois wasn't being as dramatic about it. Lois thinks that if she is with someone with a duel identity, such as Ollie in this case, or our favorite farm boy in the future, that she'll never be able to stand at their standards. I think that she's also afraid that something will happen to them when their out fighting crime, because she doesn't want another brooken heart, because who does? And like Ollie said, he didn't believe Lois would blab her mouth about Ollie's duel identity, because would it really matter if she was dating him again or not? Of course not, but we all know Lois, and she's gonna protect his secret, just like how she tried to distract Clark and Chloe away from his Green Arrow gear. But yes it's foreshadowing to Clois a little bit. We all know that Lois and Clark end up together, so don't freak out Clois fans. And I loved the line when Lois said to Clark,"Why hang out with someone rich, hot, and famous when I can hang out with you?" Gotta love the Clois sceens!!! So maybe we'll see more Lois and Clark sceens, like in the next episode:):):)

[AndiGirl]

I'm not sure if Lois can or cant handle sharing Clark with the world one day. I think she and Clark have a lot of growing up to do...that obvious. Clark is staying with Lana out of convenience....I mean, not that mature. But it's also like Lois said, she new they werent meant to be together...so why go through the heartbrake all over again. Maybe one day...Clark will be worth it?

[Mary Sullivan]

Irony...LOL

Most Cloisers i've seen just use this as argument.

[sabi908]

I've never wanted Clois to happen on the show. It's pretty obvious this isn't their story.
yea I agree...it will never manifest into a full blown relationship in this show and neither do I want it to...but what we will see over the course of the next season, is a mutual understanding and admiration developing between the two which will of course also be accompanied by lots of moments of the classic L&C bickering!...We will also see them confiding in each other a lot like they did in tonight's eppy.

[luvinChlark]

my opinion is the writers are totally saying look Clois ain't gonna happen on this show, but its totally going to happen the future.
no matter how much lois says she does not want to be second, she won't be able to stop loving superman.

agreed, just wished they didn't have her say things like she wouldn't be able to keep her mouth shut and be able to share a hero with the world. Right then it didn't show Clois being in the future. but maybe in the far far far future. :) by then she will be able to share superman

[sabi908]

Don't you get it? Cloisers don't want full blow Clois. It's not going to happen on Smallville, we won't ever see it because Clark isn't Superman. This is the most we're probably ever gonna get. Hence all the foreshadowings.
Yup...for the mean time...I'm satisfied with the foreshadowing...

Bring on the anvils :)

[theotherJane]

MOD EDIT

[celita]

Well since most of you are saying she isn't ready b/c she still young, don't count on Clois happening next season. (which will most likely be the last) I doubt by then she'll be ready for CK/Superman! But you all have the movies too! :)

But most cloisers don't want Clark and Lois in a relationship is Smallville, because the canon says that Lois falls in love with Clark first, and we don't trust in Al/Miles, they'll probably ruin our beloved mythos. All what we want it's Clark falling in love with Lois who doesn't realizes about that and sees Clark just as a friend. So, if Lois is not prepared to fall in love with Clark it has nothing to do with the 8th season, in fact, it's how we think it would be. :D

[thehenry89]

Irony...LOL

Most Cloisers i've seen just use this as argument.

Yes because its NOT ironic for clark to say he never wants to put on a suit and fly.

It's NOT ironic that he's afraid of heights

It's NOT ironic that clark said oliver wasn't even in the same leauge as him

Its NOT ironic that clark said lois would find a super guy someday...

i mean i can go on forever with this non irony stuff but frankly it would get rather redundant, but as you said it's all about opinion.

[jazel]

Irony...LOL

Most Cloisers i've seen just use this as argument.

IF you understand the concept (which some people obviously don't), it's an interesting twist on things.:p
are you "trying" to start, a shipper fight ?

[sabi908]

There's something called falling in Love without ever realizing it...Clark will or i think is already in love with Lois without realizing it...and when he meets her in the DP in the future...this realization will hit him hard and this is why he will fall head over heels in love with her.

[Kara_Zor-El]

Why will Clois happen?! Because she loves Clark THAT much. She was so set in her ways before she fell for Supes. No datingmen you work with, not wanting a Superhero boyfriend...but then suddenly she falls head over heels with a guy who throw all the right out the window! It's greta that they are setting this up in SV. They're her up finally as Iconic Lois Lane.

[sabi908]

Yes because its NOT ironic for clark to say he never wants to put on a suit and fly.

It's NOT ironic that he's afraid of heights

It's NOT ironic that clark said oliver wasn't even in the same leauge as him

Its NOT ironic that clark said lois would find a super guy someday...

i mean i can go on forever with this non irony stuff but frankly it would get rather redundant, but as you said it's all about opinion.
haha owned!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

MKLois said pretty much the same thing.

It was an obvious reference to her.

And the whole line from Oliver about "yeah, when the world cracks open and time turns back" Well, in the first Superman movie wasn't there an earthquake followed by Superman reversing time?

[jazel]

There's something called falling in Love without ever realizing it...Clark will or i think is already in love with Lois without realizing it...and when he meets her in the DP in the future...this realization will hit him hard and this is why he will fall head over heels in love with her.

I like your line of thinking, even Lana saw it coming from the start......"The best ones start out that way.";)

[Mary Sullivan]

Okay. I agree with Lois not wanting to be a reporter being irony but this isn't the case people. Because she lived the experience with Oliver and knew how it was, how can this be irony? She said the truth and i don't HOW she will be able to keep Clark's secret and sharing him with the world after this episode. Like she said, she is selfish. It's not something you change like that and we can see that she really loves Oliver, if she really did she would do it for him, she'd at least give their relationship a chance. But did she? No.

[jazel]

MKLois said pretty much the same thing.

It was an obvious reference to her.

And the whole line from Oliver about "yeah, when the world cracks open and time turns back" Well, in the first Superman movie wasn't there an earthquake followed by Superman reversing time?
yes there was :)
Lois died in an earthquake, Superman reversed time, to go back and save her. It was so romantic,lol.;)

[thehenry89]

MKLois said pretty much the same thing.

It was an obvious reference to her.

And the whole line from Oliver about "yeah, when the world cracks open and time turns back" Well, in the first Superman movie wasn't there an earthquake followed by Superman reversing time?

Yup. supes spun the world backwards to reverse time and save lois's life.

[LunaItaliana]

So the haircolor is Chlois proof and Chloe's meteor power what is? I think in 70 years of Clois Lois never healed anyone...

[sabi908]

MKLois said pretty much the same thing.

It was an obvious reference to her.

And the whole line from Oliver about "yeah, when the world cracks open and time turns back" Well, in the first Superman movie wasn't there an earthquake followed by Superman reversing time?
Yes, it was a direct reference...That was the first thing that popped into my mind when he said that. :)

[SalvadorianGirl]

Yet most Chloisers continue to grasp at straws like the importance of haircolor, because let's face it that's the only thing you guys have going for you.

Actually most Chloisers don't care if their Lois is a blond. It's only those opposed to the theory who use that hair color as a point against Chloe because Lois is only suppose to be brunette.

Getting back to the topic, this Clois can never be because why would Clark even bother wanting to be with Lois knowing that she can never share him with the world just as he knows Lana can't here. Why go the same route again after surely the Clana is going to teach him otherwise.

[sabi908]

So the haircolor is Chlois proof and Chloe's meteor power what is? I think in 70 years of Clois Lois never healed anyone...
That's just an "opinion" according to a certain Chloiser

haha

[jazel]

Okay. I agree with Lois not wanting to be a reporter being irony but this isn't the case people. Because she lived the experience with Oliver and knew how it was, how can this be irony? She said the truth and i don't HOW she will be able to keep Clark's secret and sharing him with the world after this episode. Like she said, she is selfish. It's not something you change like that and we can see that she really loves Oliver, if she really did she would do it for him, she'd at least give their relationship a chance. But did she? No.

She loved him enough to let him go. So yeah, guess that makes her horribly selfish.:lol:

[Kal-ed]

You understood it, she really can't handle it.

Well, true, she explicitely said it, but lets go to facts, we are talking present time, and at present time Clark is not out saving the world and isnt an active hero and spends a fair amount of time in his house so it wouldnt be an issue for them.;)

[sabi908]

Guys please do not respond to any Chloisers here! You'll just be fueling their circular illogical reasoning

[shy175223]

There's something called falling in Love without ever realizing it...Clark will or i think is already in love with Lois without realizing it...and when he meets her in the DP in the future...this realization will hit him hard and this is why he will fall head over heels in love with her.

I DOUBT that he is ALREADY in love with Lois.. although he might fall for her a lot late in the last season...

[Mary Sullivan]

IF you understand the concept (which some people obviously don't), it's an interesting twist on things.:p
are you "trying" to start, a shipper fight ?No, but your friend here was. Or didn't you read what she(or he) said about Clakers and Chloisers on the first page? And we are the villains....

But i'm just sayin g the triuth, i discussed with many Cloisers bafore, and almost every one of them say this.

[jimmyolsenblues]

Reminder to everyone that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Rule 14: This board is for the discussion of anything about the shows we cover, whether it is positive or negative. Everyone has a right to their opinions

[aqgalaxy]

Getting back to the topic, this Clois can never be because why would Clark even bother wanting to be with Lois knowing that she can never share him with the world just as he knows Lana can't here. Why go the same route again after surely the Clana is going to teach him otherwise.

Agreed, she outed her feelings TO CLARK meaning Clark will KNOW better then do anything with Lois because HE is the type of person SHE DOESN'T WANT. That last line she was talking about the simple farmboy she knew, thus why Clark didn't really smile at the end and looked away.

[Kal-ed]

Well since most of you are saying she isn't ready b/c she still young, don't count on Clois happening next season. (which will most likely be the last) I doubt by then she'll be ready for CK/Superman! But you all have the movies too! :)

You are right and there´s little chance that Lois will be ready by next season how ever Id like to point out that its just as doubtfull that Clark actually goes out to save the world on a regular basis next season, so they´ll be just fine.;)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

What does clois being together have to do with that fancruft theory anyway?

Don't the rules say that we should stay on topic?

[supes0]

This is the tragedy of Lois and Clark. They can never really be together.

:confused:

They've been married in comic verse for 10 years.

[TaraLittle]

Yup...for the mean time...I'm satisfied with the foreshadowing...

Bring on the anvils :)

Me too! I love Clois but right now,I'm totally happy with the foreshadowing, anvils and the sceens that they have together!!! :):):)

[Deana]

Not that I want them to be together but when Lois was saying all those things about not being able to share a HERO with the world, and not being able to keep her mouth shut with the whole duel identity, made no sense to me. I thought she was supposed to end up with Clark Kent aka superman?? Smallville Lois Lane can't handle it?!

Thats the message I got from her words.Here's the simple answer that I fail to see how you missed. It comes down to one thing. That one thing is called LOVE. Her love for Clark/Supes will overshadow the love she had with Oliver.

This love will make her eat crow when she gives her heart to the bumbling nerd in glasses sitting across from her in the work place. A bumbling nerd in glasses who just happens to have a dual identity.

True love makes a monkey out of you.

[sabi908]

You are right and there´s little chance that Lois will be ready by next season how ever Id like to point out that its just as doubtfull that Clark actually goes out to save the world on a regular basis next season, so they´ll be just fine.;)
Yea just how Clark is not ready to be Supes yet....neither is she ready to be with a superhero yet

[thehenry89]

No, but your friend here was. Or didn't you read what she(or he) said about Clakers and Chloisers on the first page? And we are the villains....

But i'm just sayin g the triuth, i discussed with many Cloisers bafore, and almost every one of them say this.

No one here is good or bad we just have differences in opinion.

[sabi908]

:confused:

They've been married in comic verse for 10 years.
LoL...

I'll bet ten dollars that the reply for that will be

"well that's canon or some alternate universe or that Lois is actually Chloe pretending to be her cousin (which is sickening to even think about)"

[Mary Sullivan]

Chloe being brunette is not proof but shut up many antis that say that she couldn't be Lois in the future because of her hair color.

That's it.

[luvinChlark]

:confused:

They've been married in comic verse for 10 years.


though, it defiantly won't happen on smallville.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chloe being brunette is not proof but shut up many antis that say that she couldn't be Lois in the future because of her hair color.

It's not that she shouldn't be. She just isn't.

And never will be.

[Kal-ed]

Most Cloisers i've seen just use this as argument.

Fortunately not something we´r alone in, AlMiles hapen to like Irony as a way to forshadow the future, like Clark saying he´ll never whear a suit, or being afraid of heights.

[supes0]

LoL...

I'll bet ten dollars that the reply for that will be

"well that's canon or some alternate universe or that Lois is actually Chloe pretending to be her cousin (which is sickening to even think about)"

:lol:

[thehenry89]

though, it defiantly won't happen on smallville.

:lol: i don't think anyone belives it will, but who knows what the future holds for those two.

[supes0]

though, it defiantly won't happen on smallville.

No one said it would.

[Kal-ed]

though, it defiantly won't happen on smallville.


You are right, just like Clex, Chlark and other imposible yet popular parings.

[LunaItaliana]

Chloe being brunette is not proof but shut up many antis that say that she couldn't be Lois in the future because of her hair color.

That's it.

The haircolor no, but definitely her meteor power yes!

[Mary Sullivan]

Yeah, because all this relationship has are anvils. How many scenes they had this season? 4? They're barely friends, face it.

But of course if Al/Miles want it(i hope not :D) they should at least start preparing a solid friendship.

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Fortunately not something we´r alone in, AlMiles hapen to like Irony as a way to forshadow the future, like Clark saying he´ll never whear a suit, or being afraid of heights.
I'm not saying they don't, but it doesn't mean EVERYTHING is irony.

[theotherJane]

You are right, just like Clex, Chlark and other imposible yet popular parings.

Touche! ;)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Since this thread is clearly about clois. Any further discussion about that fancruft theory should be taken to the speculation threads.

No point discussing it here.

[thehenry89]

I'm not saying they don't, but it doesn't mean EVERYTHING is irony.


No, but i'm all for giving credit were credit is due. If the future man of steel is afraid of heights as an adolescent, but then spends the majority of his adulthood flying faster the speed of sound high about the earth then that's irony. Just as the future star reporter of the Daily Planet scoffing journalism, is also irony. Almiles love literary devices like that.

[Mary Sullivan]

The haircolor no, but definitely her meteor power yes!
Yeah, because in Smallville even Lex has powers! He never had it in the comics.

Bu please, i dn't want to talk about Chlois here as well. That's why i'm talking about Clois mostly.

[sabi908]

Yeah, because all this relationship has are anvils. How many scenes they had this season? 4? They're barely friends, face it.

But of course if Al/Miles want it(i hope not :D) they should at least start preparing a solid friendship.

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I'm not saying they don't, but it doesn't mean EVERYTHING is irony.
Geez and this guy accused me of being 8 years old

[theotherJane]

Yeah, because all this relationship has are anvils. How many scenes they had this season? 4? They're barely friends, face it.



Because they're not supposed to be the best of friends at first. They are rivals when they meet in Metropolis.

[jazel]

Geez and this guy accused me of being 8 years old

think he, might be a she,lol

[Mary Sullivan]

Geez and this guy accused me of being 8 years oldWhy? Because i said the truth? Or you really believe they're this closer?

And yes, i'm a woman. :D

Just to add: this doesn't mean anything, Chloe and Lois would be rivals this season but for some reason they didn't make them compete.

[thehenry89]

Yeah, because in Smallville even Lex has powers! He never had it in the comics.

Bu please, i dn't want to talk about Chlois here as well. That's why i'm talking about Clois mostly.

What power does lex have? i mean aside from his supernatural money spending ability.

[sabi908]

think he, might be a she,lol
well..lol i apologize for that

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Why? Because i said the truth? Or you really believe they're this closer?

And yes, i'm a woman. :D

Just to add: this doesn't mean anything, Chloe and Lois would be rivals this season but for some reason they didn't make them compete.
I'm sorry... I can't really decipher what you're trying to imply here...what does "they're this closer" mean?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Superman is a different kind of hero. In the future he makes time for his life as both Superman and as Clark.

With Ollie it's completely different.

[LunaItaliana]

Yeah, because in Smallville even Lex has powers! He never had it in the comics.

Bu please, i dn't want to talk about Chlois here as well. That's why i'm talking about Clois mostly.

Hey I'm not a hater of other ships/shippers, I was just saying what to me seems obvious and not because I like Clois. It's only that to me the way some people "fight" about banalities it's quite strange.

[Mary Sullivan]

well..lol i apologize for that

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I'm sorry... I can't really decipher what you're trying to imply here...what does "they're this closer" mean?Like they're close friends.

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Hey I'm not a hater of other ships/shippers, I was just saying what to me seems obvious and not because I like Clois. It's only that to me the way some people "fight" about banalities it's quite strange.I know, but you can believe i never had the need to fight about ships with anyone. I just read that on the first page and didn't like it, because i never said something like that to any Cloiser you know? I respect everyone and their opinions. ;)

[Kal-ed]

Actually Id like to point out that after rewatching that scene, I noticed something, Clark tells her that just cause someone has a great responsiblity doesnt mean she has to come in second and she doesnt belive him (not the same as not being able to handle it), so its actually forshadowing the fact that dispite his duties as Superman he wont put her in second place.

[luvinChlark]

You are right, just like Clex, Chlark and other imposible yet popular parings.

true, only chlark is possible! ;)

[jazel]

true, only chlark is possible! ;)

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

true, only chlark is possible! ;)

Thanks.

All the clexers dreams have just been shattered.

[Mary Sullivan]

true, only chlark is possible! ;)It is. :D

[sabi908]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
lol honestly i can't wait till Smallville is over so I can have a good laugh at Chloisers and Chlarkers...

I love Chloe's character but I just don't see Chlark ever occuring...with one season to go, Clark is still stuck over Lana and has to also grow a spine and accept his destiny before he could go off to his training...i doubt we'll see Chlark occur in between all that.

[paolinki25]

It's badly-written foreshadowing. Sort of like what they did at the end of Aqua. That last line when Lois says she rather hang out with Clark than going for the rich, powerful guy or whatever was some sort of foreshadowing that in the end, Lois can accept the hero, but her heart always belongs to the man behind the hero.

[Mary Sullivan]

Thanks.

All the clexers dreams have just been shattered.Off topic, but are you a H/G shipper? I think i remember you. Is that i love H/G. LOL

[harryandginnyfanatic]

lol honestly i can't wait till Smallville is over so I can have a good laugh at Chloisers and Chlarkers...

I won't laugh. I'll just forgive them.

[RedKalEL]

a lot of lois lanes have given that speech to superman. that was almost taken out of the nd of superman 2

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Off topic, but are you a H/G shipper?

Yeah. The books though, not the movies.

[svtwamedfan05]

First of all, the line about not being able to Share a hero with the world is a classic line from every single incarnation of Lois and Clark. Just like every single woman in the world she wants to be loved too. Secondly even though she thinks that, that does not mean she can't end up with Clark later on down the road. Because for one she is young and like Clark does not know what the future holds. She is scared but in time she will be stronger than ever when Superman swoops in. Like the classic Lois she knows that a hero's destiny is far greater than her so she still wants them to continue what they do best. She doesn't want to keep any hero away from saving the world.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I didn't see the outing of Chloe's hair color, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

She made a line about the Black Canary being Dinah Lance wasn't so hard to believe, she could be as blonde as Chloe really is . . . which could be taken a Chlois way if they hadn't shown us little girl Chloe with blonde hair. It has also been said by MANY theory supporters that 'Lois'' hair color doesn't matter, can't change their tune to suit the episode. I'd like to see Erica with darker hair but the importance of her hair is below consideration.

Also, both Clark and Oliver knew that was BS when Lois said she couldn't handle sharing a hero with the world. They called her on it too. It's also classic Lois to have a fear of being abandoned. Well, MY Classic Lois anyway, we all have our favorites.

Probably a lot of people will assume I'm a blinded Lois fan, but really I totally see her words tonight as her own fears and her feelings that she isn't worth being somebody's number one.

[svtwamedfan05]

I totally agree, LLL

[jazel]

lol honestly i can't wait till Smallville is over so I can have a good laugh at Chloisers and Chlarkers...

I love Chloe's character but I just don't see Chlark ever occuring...with one season to go, Clark is still stuck over Lana and has to also grow a spine and accept his destiny before he could go off to his training...i doubt we'll see Chlark occur in between all that.

you and I, are in the same sinking boat.:lol:

can NOT believe, some fans seem to think, CK will all of
a sudden come to realize, he has romantic feelings for Chloe, when it's been ALL about Lana, for how many years now ?:rolleyes:
never had a problem w/ Chloe's character (Chlark hook-up, would have been fun from S1-S3), but those fans who insist, just you wait and see, REALLY rub me the wrong way. IF they love Chloe, WHY would they want her with him ? He's still got Lana's 'stink', all over him, and most are assuming he's gonna take off, to do his destiny thing ?:p

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She made a line about the Black Canary being Dinah Lance wasn't so hard to believe, she could be as blonde as Chloe really is . . . which could be taken a Chlois way if they hadn't shown us little girl Chloe with blonde hair.

Also, both Clark and Oliver knew that was BS when Lois said she couldn't handle sharing a hero with the world. They called her on it too. It's also classic Lois to have a fear of being abandoned. Well, MY Classic Lois anyway, we all have our favorites.

Probably a lot of people will assume I'm a blinded Lois fan, but really I totally see her words tonight as her own fears and her feelings that she isn't worth being somebody's number one.

I still do NOT see how, Chloe 'outed' herself, as NOT being really blond.

and I so agree with your last two paragrahs,;):D

[Delovely]

Thinking it's Irony is wishful thinking. They wouldn't have Lois Lane herself crying out this issue to Clark Kent, if it doesn't mean anything.

Isn't almost everything on this series posed as irony?

[Bosrudorfer]

I actually saw it the other way around. This episode make me able to see them together in the future.

[tariksam]

Open a poll and you'll see that most people took it as an irony....I don't get why some have to fight so hard against the obvious and make a big deal because a damn hair collor....Lana should be red haired BIG DEAL!!!!

[jazel]

Lana should be red haired BIG DEAL!!!!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
only ONE person, made a big deal about the hair color thing.:cool:

[ginnyfan]

MKLois said pretty much the same thing.

It was an obvious reference to her.

And the whole line from Oliver about "yeah, when the world cracks open and time turns back" Well, in the first Superman movie wasn't there an earthquake followed by Superman reversing time?

I agree.

Here's the simple answer that I fail to see how you missed. It comes down to one thing. That one thing is called LOVE. Her love for Clark/Supes will overshadow the love she had with Oliver.

This love will make her eat crow when she gives her heart to the bumbling nerd in glasses sitting across from her in the work place. A bumbling nerd in glasses who just happens to have a dual identity.

True love makes a monkey out of you.

Fantastic post! :)

[sherban1988]

What is the point of all theese conversations?
We KNOW that Clark and Lois will end up together, that's just how it's supposed to be. Clark Kent and Lois Lane ar THE comic book couple.
It don't matter what happens now. Clark can hook up with Chloe for all I care. He will end up with Lois and that's that. If you're not a Clois fan.. sorry mate, you're gonna have to deal with it.

[borednow]

Actions speak louder then words. While what Lois said may preclude a Clois relationship, if you assume that Lois will never manage to get past this issue and will be able to hold fast to it in the face of Superman, which is not a valid assumption if you ask me. Her actions spoke much louder embracing a Clois relationship. Once again Lois opens up and shows her venerable side to Clark. Whenever Lois needs to open up or break down it is always Clark we see her go to. You think that is an accident on the writers part? Her actions show that Clark and Lois are already establishing a base foundation for a relationship that will be so much stronger then what Lois built with Oliver, so much so that she will move past her fears of being second place.

[jazel]

Clois will NEVER be together, much like the Clana, isn't really togother.:lol:

[jor-eldeux]

I don't believe that Clark and Lois will be together because Lois has been hurt too many times to go through dating a guy with a secret identity like Green Arrow/Olliver.

She realized the BIG KISS, the one that rocked her socks was not Ollie, but one of his flunkies ... if they play this out ... and if there is an eighth season, they should use it with her trying to find out who that was .....

She's supposed to be an investigative reporter. She doesn't need men. She has their careers for breakfast. Let's move to the 21st Century, put her in network news TV. Her work puts her in danger with the worst of the worst. He (the real Superman) saves her while he's kicking butt and taking names. She's always in trouble because she's investigating crime and corruption. This Lois can do that (i.e. Erica) - this Clark Kent doesn't disappear when there's trouble. They work TOGETHER - she doesn't get left behind.

He stands on the roof, the American flag waving behind him. She looks up with adoring eyes, HER hero. He saves the world, then saves the girl. If he doesn't, and the earth opens up and swallows her, he turns back time. Greatest hero, greatest devotion to the woman he loves, protects, and fulfills his destiny and hers.

[ShelbyKent]

Not that I want them to be together but when Lois was saying all those things about not being able to share a HERO with the world, and not being able to keep her mouth shut with the whole duel identity, made no sense to me. I thought she was supposed to end up with Clark Kent aka superman?? Smallville Lois Lane can't handle it?!

Thats the message I got from her words. Just goes to show that both SVClark and SVLois have a loong ways (emotionally, psychologically) to go before they become their destined future versions who would eventually fall in love and be a good match for each other.

Just like how SVGreenArrow and SVBlack Canary are so far removed from their future destined personas that you would get laughed out of Smallville if you suggest in the current SV timeline that these 2 would eventually marry.

The fun is in watching everyone try to evolve into their future versions...making mistakes along the way. It's all about the journey... (watching BDA Clark's journey, though makes you lose IQ points *sighs in frustration* :( )

[eas]

It's not Irony, they crossed Lois off the list in this. When they outed Chloe being a brunette they outed Lois the Redherring. People wanted Proof of Chlois, well here it is.

:rotfl::rotfl:

I take it that you've decided to completely ignore what Ollie's response when Clark said that Lois might be okay with the dual identity in the future? "When? When the earth cracks open and time reverses itself?" I guess you've never watched "Superman", huh?

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Actions speak louder then words. While what Lois said may preclude a Clois relationship, if you assume that Lois will never manage to get past this issue and will be able to hold fast to it in the face of Superman, which is not a valid assumption if you ask me. Her actions spoke much louder embracing a Clois relationship. Once again Lois opens up and shows her venerable side to Clark. Whenever Lois needs to open up or break down it is always Clark we see her go to. You think that is an accident on the writers part? Her actions show that Clark and Lois are already establishing a base foundation for a relationship that will be so much stronger then what Lois built with Oliver, so much so that she will move past her fears of being second place.

Word. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[LoisJoanneKent]

The fact of the matter is that EDLois Lane could be 2 feet tall and bald, but so long as she's Lois Lane, she WILL be with Clark at the end. It's really very simple actually. Lois lane was created to be Superman's soulmate..DC owns Superman and all it's incarnations, they will NEVER permit Clark Kent to end up with anyone but Lois Lane!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Lois lane was created to be Superman's soulmate..DC owns Superman and all it's incarnations, they will NEVER permit Clark Kent to end up with anyone but Lois Lane!

Maybe that's why DC doesn't want Clois on Smallville. Because at this stage it's too early.

[LoisJoanneKent]

^^ Yeah, plus they'll probably screw it up!! I find it funny how so many people put so much importance in that Clois scene, when it's obvious that Lois and Clark are destined to be together. If it was really meant to mean that she could never be with a superheroe, she would have had the scene with Chloe, but who did she have it with? Clark a.k.a. her own personal superheroe in the future.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Because they facking are all right.

[dunkman]

The whole point of that dialogue was to be ironic, with us knowing that she does end up with Clark & does share him with the world. It's called character development! She wasn't a good reporter & had no inkling towards journalism when she started, but she's coming around with that, & in time she'll grow as a person to be part of something bigger - but not yet!

[eas]

Also, both Clark and Oliver knew that was BS when Lois said she couldn't handle sharing a hero with the world. They called her on it too. It's also classic Lois to have a fear of being abandoned. Well, MY Classic Lois anyway, we all have our favorites.

Probably a lot of people will assume I'm a blinded Lois fan, but really I totally see her words tonight as her own fears and her feelings that she isn't worth being somebody's number one.


I totally agree, Triple L. When Lois listed all the reasons to end it with Ollie, he shot down every one of them.

And when she told Clark she couldn't handle it, he totally implied that it might true of some people, but he could see her being able to handle it. (Plus, he says that she becomes more interested when it gets more challenging. I loved that.)

One of the biggest things I got from that whole speech she gave to Clark was that Lois is mature. She looked at the situation with Ollie and saw that the end would not be pretty. And she decided that it wasn't worth being happy short-term, if - in the long term - she was destined for heart break.

Why? Because Ollie, as awesome as he is, wasn't right for her. Because he wasn't placing Lois high on list of priorities. She didn't get the sense from him that - even though he went out to the save world - she would still have a piece of his heart that only belonged to her.

In the future, Clark Kent will give her a part of his heart that is hers alone & she's been assured of her place in his life. And, on her part, she'll give him a sense of belonging and a feeling of home. Even when he's not with her, he'll be with her in spirit.

[LovelyLoisLane]

Open a poll and you'll see that most people took it as an irony....I don't get why some have to fight so hard against the obvious and make a big deal because a damn hair collor....Lana should be red haired BIG DEAL!!!!

I'm not making a big deal about hair color, I'm saying it ISN'T a big deal. For what it's worth though, Chloe was seen as a child with BLONDE hair, just as infant Lois in the picture on her daddy's desk also had BLONDE hair. Both of them were born blonde. And if later they became brunette's naturally, which CAN happen, then that would be possible for both of them since Lois' has very visible brunette roots under all that golden wheat.

So obviously Lois Lane being a brunette is a non issue on this show, no matter what side of the theory fence you are on.

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I totally agree, Triple L. When Lois listed all the reasons to end it with Ollie, he shot down every one of them.

And when she told Clark she couldn't handle it, he totally implied that it might true of some people, but he could see her being able to handle it. (Plus, he says that she becomes more interested when it gets more challenging. I loved that.)


Thank you. :) I'm not always right, but I'm VERY right about this.

They both knew she was playing emotional dodge ball, and even Lois knows that was BS, even as she sadly convinces herself that she isn't important enough to NOT get left behind.

I liked that line from Clark too. He isn't so oblivious as I think Lois might prefer him to be. :p

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The whole point of that dialogue was to be ironic, with us knowing that she does end up with Clark & does share him with the world. It's called character development! She wasn't a good reporter & had no inkling towards journalism when she started, but she's coming around with that, & in time she'll grow as a person to be part of something bigger - but not yet!

I don't think it was just irony. It was a nice moment shared between two friends that care about eachother, and also as a way to give us some insight into Lois' flaws and insecurities.

[eas]

I don't think it was just irony. It was a nice moment shared between two friends that care about eachother, and also as a way to give us some insight into Lois' flaws and insecurities.

Again, I have to agree.

We're always complaining - Lois fans and non-Lois fans alike - that Lois doesn't get enough screentime where we get to dwelve into her psyche. We're annoyed that we don't get enough moments of genuine emotion from her where we learn what makes her tick and the kind of insecurities & hidden emotions she has. (Also because, as a character, she likes to hide behind an armour sarcasm.)

In this episode, we saw how her past with the General has shaped how she views men. She's attracted to powerful men, who have "hero" complexes and want to save the world. However, at the same time, she can't help but feel that she's not good enough to be with men like that & just like her father, they'll always put her at the bottom of the priority list. Note that she doesn't think anything is wrong with that - in fact, she expects them and encourages them to think that saving the world is more important.

With Ollie, she gives him up so he can go save the world - but doesn't want to be dragged around like a stray piece of luggage along the way. She has enough sense of self-worth and dignity to want that for herself. She has enough self-preservation that she doesn't want to put herself through that kind of heartbreak again.

This scene showed us a glimpse of Lois we haven't seen since "Lucy" in a lot of ways. It's interesting to me because I've read a lot Lois/Clois fan-fiction that has a scenes like this, but it's always been based more on what we know of Lois from the mythos. So, it felt good to finally have Lois's back-story & Daddy issues validated onscreen for our SVLois.

[freefall]

Again, I have to agree.

We're always complaining - Lois fans and non-Lois fans alike - that Lois doesn't get enough screentime where we get to dwelve into her psyche. We're annoyed that we don't get enough moments of genuine emotion from her where we learn what makes her tick and the kind of insecurities & hidden emotions she has. (Also because, as a character, she likes to hide behind an armour sarcasm.)

In this episode, we saw how her past with the General has shaped how she views men. She's attracted to powerful men, who have "hero" complexes and want to save the world. However, at the same time, she can't help but feel that she's not good enough to be with men like that & just like her father, they'll always put her at the bottom of the priority list. Note that she doesn't think anything is wrong with that - in fact, she expects them and encourages them to think that saving the world is more important.

With Ollie, she gives him up so he can go save the world - but doesn't want to be dragged around like a stray piece of luggage along the way. She has enough sense of self-worth and dignity to want that for herself. She has enough self-preservation that she doesn't want to put herself through that kind of heartbreak again.

This scene showed us a glimpse of Lois we haven't seen since "Lucy" in a lot of ways. It's interesting to me because I've read a lot Lois/Clois fan-fiction that has a scenes like this, but it's always been based more on what we know of Lois from the mythos. So, it felt good to finally have Lois's back-story & Daddy issues validated onscreen for our SVLois.

ITA, and I myself definitely see the scene being so much MORE than just irony. This is a genuine insight into Lois' character, as her own person right here and right now, and I truly appreciate that.

[Iluvgreen]

It showed that Lois was not gooing to let herself get in the way didn't it?

[LovelyLoisLane]

It showed that Lois was not gooing to let herself get in the way didn't it?

Yes, she has a very 'self sacrificing' attitude. We saw the same thing in "Lucy"
Telling their kidnapper to let her sister go and take her instead, since it was Lucy and not her that had the future.

[supes0]

Note that she doesn't think anything is wrong with that - in fact, she expects them and encourages them to think that saving the world is more important.

This was, mho, one of the best parts of the scene. She understands what a relationship with somebody like that would mean. That a personal relationship can't supersede the world.

Clark is the one with blinders on, while she's looking at the situation clearly. And at this point in her life, she made the right & thoughtful decision (albeit the viewer knows she's not destined to be with Ollie, any more than Clark is with Lana).

I thought this also underscored how young Lois is right now, she hasn't made her own mark in the world. She sees Ollie is destined for something great, but doesn't realize her own value. As she grows in to her self, makes her mark on the world, she'll understand she has a role to play. That her solo destiny, not tied to Superman, not tied to the Justice League, is very important. She is a champion of justice, just in a different way.

So when she ends up with Clark, she'll have the self-confidence to understand she's contributing, making the world better. She'll make the personal sacrifices to live with somebody she loves not only because of who the man is, but because she'll be secure in her self-worth.

Meanwhile Clark will understand he can't stay home with Lois and live a normal live, moonlighting as a hero. He'll go places where she can't go, see things she can't see and share experiences with other people (Diana, Bruce,Ollie, Black Canary, etc) that she may not ever fully understand.

But at the end of the day both of them realize the sacrifices are worth it because of their conviction that they are stronger together than apart.

(off topic: the Up&Up and Away Trade by Busiek/Johns did a good job exploring a very similar issue. Clark lost his powers for a year. He's living the life of reporter/husband and he's happy. It's a thoughtful story of how his powers return and the impact on his marriage & work life).

[dunkman]

I'm not making a big deal about hair color, I'm saying it ISN'T a big deal. For what it's worth though, Chloe was seen as a child with BLONDE hair, just as infant Lois in the picture on her daddy's desk also had BLONDE hair. Both of them were born blonde. And if later they became brunette's naturally, which CAN happen, then that would be possible for both of them since Lois' has very visible brunette roots under all that golden wheat.

So obviously Lois Lane being a brunette is a non issue on this show, no matter what side of the theory fence you are on.

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Thank you. :) I'm not always right, but I'm VERY right about this.

They both knew she was playing emotional dodge ball, and even Lois knows that was BS, even as she sadly convinces herself that she isn't important enough to NOT get left behind.

I liked that line from Clark too. He isn't so oblivious as I think Lois might prefer him to be. :p

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I don't think it was just irony. It was a nice moment shared between two friends that care about eachother, and also as a way to give us some insight into Lois' flaws and insecurities.

I agree with that - I guess I mispoke when I said irony was the "whole point". More than that it shows their development as friends. I really enjoyed that part!

[Kal-ed]

It has also been said by MANY theory supporters that 'Lois'' hair color doesn't matter, can't change their tune to suit the episode.

One would think so, but they have, many many times.