Who Needs Chloe now? [Archive] - KryptonSite Message Forums

Clana4Life

02-01-2008, 09:56 PM

dru-zod2501

02-01-2008, 10:07 PM

chloe, less useful than Lana?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Clana4Life

02-01-2008, 10:17 PM

Both can do the same thing now. And unlike Chloe, Lana isn't afraid to get her hands dirty to bring down the bad guys. Me thinks Chloe can be killed off now. Not saying I want her killed, but they need to give her a storyline. Because Lois has taken over her job at the DP and Lana is the new super-spy computer girl. She can essentially help Clark if he'll let her. So, who needs Chloe?

do3mire

02-01-2008, 10:24 PM

She can essentially help Clark if he'll let her. So, who needs Chloe?

But, he won't let her. So, to answer your question, Clark! :)

Dannyblue1

02-01-2008, 10:29 PM

Seriously, no offense to you Chloe fans. I don't dislike Chloe, but Lana with her new equipment is running circles around CHloe.

I don't see how Lana is "running circles around Chloe." In what way? Because she had one line in which she said she was good with computers? What real computer prowess has she actually shown compared to what Chloe has shown?

Lana should be working for the Justice League, because love her or hate her, she's good. It may be that her computers and gizmos are helping her, but she has a drive and a "do whatever it takes to get the bad guy" kind of attitude.

I don't know where your idea that Lana even could work with the JL comes from. She hasn't exactly shown that she's great at playing with others, has she? Chloe, on the other hand, is pretty much the ultimate team player.

And hasn't one of the lessons of this show been that deciding that the ends justify the means is bad? I mean, look at Lex.

It would probably help Clana if Clark did start working with Lana and allowing her to help him.

If they gotta do specific things in a specific way in order to make their relationship work, maybe there's something wrong with the relationship, yes?

It just seems like some people believe Clark should do everything imaginable, including making Lana his only priority, and spending time with no one else but her, in order to make the girl happy. And, well, I don't think people should have to work that darned hard at love if they are truly with the person they are supposed to be with.

Finally, I never got the idea that character A being able to do what character B does makes character B expendable. Two characters can have the same basic skill-set and still serve unique purposes. The whole "Chloe can be killed off now" thing just seems to be another way to clear the way for Clana.

Clana4Life

02-01-2008, 10:33 PM

It doesn't make much sense that he won't let her help him at this point. She's not spying on Lex and had chosen to stop doing that. Maybe he'll take a page out of Bizarro's book and actually let Lana work with him. It's pretty convenient to have the person living with you work with you. I just don't think it's a coincidence that they are slowly phasing Chloe's usefulness out. Lois is the new reporter, Lana is the new computer spy, Kara is becoming Jimmy's new girl. Seriously, if someone else pops up in Smallville with the power to heal people, you can kiss CHloe goodbye, which it seems they are trying to do anyway.

MetroGirl06

02-01-2008, 10:41 PM

"who needs Chloe?"

I NEED CHLOE! :mad:

LoisJoanneKent

02-01-2008, 10:50 PM

Well, given the fact that Chloe knew that Bizarro wasn't Clark whike Lana boinked him...sorry to say, dude, but Lana doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed at the moment (nor has she ever). And as for Lana replacing Chloe in the Justice League...JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA:rotfl:

Tobywolf13

02-01-2008, 11:04 PM

First of all, Lois hasn't replaced Chloe at the DP. She hasn't yet published a single story. Grant mentioned that in Blue. So far her Lex research hasn't gone anywhere either, since Chloe (as per gemini) is her first legit source.

Second, since when was Chloe's only role on SV to be Jimmy Olsen's girlfriend. So Kara having a relationship with him doesn't make Chloe useless on that front either.

Third, so Lana has Isis and an Isis-cave (I can't not see similarities to Bruce Wayne here). Notice how it was Bizarro going to Lana. Bizarro is everything Clark is NOT. They are opposites---Bizarro loves to murder people, he's sexually attracted to Lois, he wanted to do evil things with Lex. So, Clark leans on Chloe for support and Superhelp and Bizarro leans on Lana.

Why?

Because she is much easier to manipulate (as Lex figured out long ago).

Biz waits a full month to go to the DP and only goes when he has to. He avoids Chloe because he knew she'd figure him out and, guess what, she did. Lana spent a month living with Bizarro and she never suspected once that something mindwhammy worthy had happened to "Clark."

Who needs Chloe?

Clark does because without here, Bizarro would have gotten to Dax-Ur first and probably gotten rid of the Blue K.

AS for Lana being willing to "get her hands dirty."

Review that sentence. We are talking about the JUSTICE League and Superman.

Superman doesn't get his hands dirty. He doesn't do anything to win. He doesn't believe the ends justify the means. That's what LEX LUTHOR believes. Lana is not cut out for the Justice League because she'll go as far as killing people and that's the opposite of everything the League stands for.

kryptonaidxh

02-01-2008, 11:11 PM

chloe, less useful than Lana?:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

:lol::lol:that was funny, but seriusly I like Chloe but let´s face it: Chloe never was part of the main story, she has ....excuseme..less than a year in the comics?:lol:
the truth is that Chloe is pointless now, she should look for another job, or maybe a changing of career, because we know Lois is the only female star reporter of the Daily Planet that the world knows.:)

RepairmanBob

02-01-2008, 11:26 PM

Seriously, no offense to you Chloe fans. I don't dislike Chloe, but Lana with her new equipment is running circles around CHloe. Lana should be working for the Justice League, because love her or hate her, she's good. It may be that her computers and gizmos are helping her, but she has a drive and a "do whatever it takes to get the bad guy" kind of attitude. And with Lana, I don't have to hear the word "moratorium" every episode. It would probably help Clana if Clark did start working with Lana and allowing her to help him.So, now that Lana has magically gotten mad hacker skillz, Chloe serves no purpose on the show? The same way Lana magically turned into Lana Bristow last year, with the spying and embezzling? Or the astrology skillz in season five? My personal favorite was the art scholarship in season three, after showing zero interest or ability in art. Lana's ability to develop new and previously unseen skills based on the needs of the episode is both laughable and a sad reflection on the lengths the writes will go to in order to shoehorn her into an episode.

Hell, since Lana has her own science teams running around thanks to Isis ($10 million goes a lot farther than it used to), maybe they should get rid of Ollie? After all, Lana can take down Lex. Who needs the JL?

Even better, maybe Al and Miles should give Lana super powers again! She can channel Isobel while getting all of Clark's powers! Who really needs Superman anyway, when we can have Lana?

So no, Lana's incredible new computer skills do not, IMO, create a reason to get rid of Chloe. After all, someone has to be able to tell when Clark has been replaced by an evil double.:lol::lol:that was funny, but seriusly I like Chloe but let´s face it: Chloe never was part of the main story, she has ....excuseme..less than a year in the comics?:lol:After seven years on Smallville, she is certainly a major part of this version of the Superman story. the truth is that Chloe is pointless now, she should look for another job, or maybe a changing of career, because we know Lois is the only female star reporter of the Daily Planet that the world knows.:) Lois could not even get a story published when she was sleeping with her boss. I do not think Chloe has to be worried about getting fired from the Daily Planet quite yet.

Vala

02-01-2008, 11:39 PM

jazel

02-01-2008, 11:54 PM

Who needs Chloe?

Clark does

BUT, it should NOT be that way.....just my opinion.

At this point in his life, he should be doing things, on his OWN. Superman as we know him, rarely needs anybody's help. I'm not even sure 'who' in all the sagas, and comics actually know his secret. The daunting task before TPTB at SV, is to show when all is said and done, CK taking off for his destiny training. With that, he can't be "packing" Chloe, because he "needs" her to figure things out for him. He's supposedly from an ADVANCED race, and learns things from 26 galaxies. It's my opinion that Clark needs nobody. The things he's able to do, is beyond comprehension.
What he "needs" is somebody to gather up the "tons" of green-k(thought that stuff was rare) floating around SV, and destroy it. It's a wonder, the guy even reached puberty.:lol:

----- Added 7 Minutes later -----

Lois could not even get a story published when she was sleeping with her boss. I do not think Chloe has to be worried about getting fired from the Daily Planet quite yet.

NEVER confirmed, unlike the BizClana sex. lol

Yeah, Chloe is a lean, mean, writing machine, getting articles published left and right, isn't she ? lol :p
Disappointed that Chloe, is "letting" Lex intimdate her. Thought I'd never see her, back down.
Which is something I'm looking forward to, Lois not doing. Considering she does NOT have CK's secret to protect, or a meteor power to hid.

Clana4Life

02-02-2008, 12:56 AM

lillie_poo_pod

02-02-2008, 03:07 AM

So Lana can replace Chloe now because she knows her way around a computer for what? 1 episode. Oh yeah, AWESOME!!! /sarcasm.

Please. I need not type anymore because tobywolf and RepairmanBob sumed up my feelings on this particular topic.

Dustmite

02-02-2008, 04:53 AM

What is it that Lana and Clana fans have been saying about Chloe for years? That her computer skills are unrealistic, never mind that she's developed them over 8 years. Lana gets them with a click of her finger and it's all hunky dory. Double standards much??? Lanoogle maybe??

Lana has lot sof skillz: Waitress, business woman, martial art expert, art student, astrologer, spy, almost professional cook and lastly mad hacker. Is there anything Lana can't do? It's a shame that all these attributes are forgotten about in a couple of episodes.

Lana came off as a jealous girlfriend in that scene. She can't stand Clark having any other friends or interests that diverge from her. So much scope for a healthy relationship right there. As long as she is his priority she is happy. Good foundations to build something on.

And as for Lana not knowing Clark wasn't behaving right, I'll repeat what I said on another thread:

Lana lives with him and spends much more time with him then anyone else. For God's sake the guys a farmer and he can't go out in the sun. Did she not find that odd?

He dropped out of college to take care of the farm. He's willing to leave it all behind. Does she not find that odd?

He's having sex with her when before he was scared of smashing her into tiny little bits. Does she not find that odd?

His cousin who's new to Earth is missing and he's like 'whatever'. Does she not find that odd?

And Chloe noticed that Clark was behaving oddly before the arm grab. Lana notices that he's different too but it's all positive for her so she doesn't question it.

Also I don't drop my friends when I'm in a relationship and I don't think Clark does either. I can't speak for Lana since she only does what makes her happy.

I have to add that it's amazing how people have deduced that Lana can run circles around Chloe from one scene. Sadly Clark doesn't think so. At least not from what he said to Kara about Chloe and how smart she was. Smarter then both of them, no? Considering his mind is a titanium trap, he obviously holds Chloe in high regard.

And I don't think the JL will be jumping through hoops to recruit Lana, Chloe's still working with Oliver in Siren and unless Ollie falls madly in love with Lana (which is a possibility on SV) I don't think the status quo is going to change.

And lastly it is Lana who has no purpose on this show but to be someone's girlfriend. Whitney (flirting with Clark), Clark, thinking about Clark, Jason, Clark (dancing around Lex), Lex (dancing around Clark), Clark (sleeping with Biz), that sums up the last seven seasons.

do3mire

02-02-2008, 06:55 AM

BUT, it should NOT be that way.....just my opinion.

At this point in his life, he should be doing things, on his OWN. Superman as we know him, rarely needs anybody's help. I'm not even sure 'who' in all the sagas, and comics actually know his secret. The daunting task before TPTB at SV, is to show when all is said and done, CK taking off for his destiny training. With that, he can't be "packing" Chloe, because he "needs" her to figure things out for him. He's supposedly from an ADVANCED race, and learns things from 26 galaxies. It's my opinion that Clark needs nobody. The things he's able to do, is beyond comprehension.
What he "needs" is somebody to gather up the "tons" of green-k(thought that stuff was rare) floating around SV, and destroy it. It's a wonder, the guy even reached puberty.:lol:

This doesnt work from a story-telling perspective. Clark/Supes is a superhero. Viewers or readers (as in comics) relate better to superheroes through the eyes of a "normal" human. In the comics, Jimmy Olsen served that purpose, on SV, Chloe did. Now, if they killed off Chloe and replaced her with Jimmy as Clark's pal, that might work. But somehow I cannot imagine them doing that. They wouldn't be able to tease the Chlarkers then. :D

Chlarker2008

02-02-2008, 07:08 AM

Lana has done one thing, and that was for the wrong Clark, if she can't even tell who's her real boyfriend then, she should not be helping Clark. Ya, she is good with a computer, but remember that computer was to help her look in on Lex.

But, he won't let her. So, to answer your question, Clark!

thank you, thank you

Who needs Chloe?

Clark does because without here, Bizarro would have gotten to Dax-Ur first and probably gotten rid of the Blue K.

you are so right, Lana was giving Bizarro ideas.

InLove_with_Chloe

02-02-2008, 07:33 AM

Who needs Clark now???

RepairmanBob

02-02-2008, 07:37 AM

Who needs Clark now???
Since SuperLana has her mad hacker skillz and her teams of people running around, I think we should have a moratorium on Clark. Who really needs him when we have Lana?What is it that Lana and Clana fans have been saying about Chloe for years? That her computer skills are unrealistic, never mind that she's developed them over 8 years. Lana gets them with a click of her finger and it's all hunky dory. Double standards much??? Lanoogle maybe??

Lana has lot sof skillz: Waitress, business woman, martial art expert, art student, astrologer, spy, almost professional cook and lastly mad hacker. Is there anything Lana can't do? It's a shame that all these attributes are forgotten about in a couple of episodes.Major WORD to this. Gradual skill development in one area is unrealistic, but magically growing talents in Offscreenville is OK if you have shiny black hair?

InLove_with_Chloe

02-02-2008, 07:57 AM

Since SuperLana has her mad hacker skillz and her teams of people running around, I think we should have a moratorium on Clark. Who really needs him when we have Lana?
Welcome to this board, Mr. Al Gough......
:lol:
;)

malrrmustafa

02-02-2008, 08:50 AM

oh please....Lana will always remain as Superman's puppy love and she'll never replace Chloe's role in Clark's life....i find her more useful than Lana at this point coz Clark will finally turn to Lois later on....so long Clana...Chlark lives!!!!LOL

aqgalaxy

02-02-2008, 08:55 AM

You mean because she took points and made it line up to a center... when all the points formed a circle, I mean... ANYONE would have been able to do that even Lois...

I mean, what would have been, I dunno more interesting, if they were spread out more, and not in a freaking circle to triangulate where the home base is...I mean, when you see the attacks form a circle, the home base is logically in the center... Lana didn't do anything really, for someone using google Earth could have done the same thing.

harryandginnyfanatic

02-02-2008, 09:00 AM

IMO Chloe and Lana have got nothing on Kara Zor El. ;)

Supergirl and Superhacker :D

Which is something I'm looking forward to, Lois not doing. Considering she does NOT have CK's secret to protect, or a meteor power to hid.

The way it's looking, Lex already owns them both. Body and soul.

He owns the building they live in and the building they work in.

If he wanted to he could probably buy the bank and loans and have Chloe's yaris taken away.

Vergon6

02-02-2008, 09:10 AM

Lana has hardly replaced Chloe. It was Bizarro that she was consulting with, and it was convenient to have her to triangulate where Brainiac was given how much time they were spending together, and the information she has been letting him on about what she has learned about Lex's projects.

I think it would better to have more scenes with Chloe and Lois together, with less emphasis on Chloe looking up stuff for Clark. If the two cousins are working together on stories, they have a better chance to also find ways to circumvent Lex's hold over them, and find information to take him down. It will give an opportunity for Chloe to refocus her efforts on journalism, and help hone Lois' nascent skills in journalism.

Jory

02-02-2008, 10:05 AM

Didn't Clark grab Chloe's arm in(I think) "Noir?" So, the fact that Bizarro did wasn't "unusual" considering Clark had done that last season.

InLove_with_Chloe

02-02-2008, 10:06 AM

Didn't Clark grab Chloe's arm in(I think) "Noir?"
Well, he took care of that coffee stain......
:D
:eek:
:p

RepairmanBob

02-02-2008, 10:09 AM

Didn't Clark grab Chloe's arm in(I think) "Noir?" So, the fact that Bizarro did wasn't "unusual" considering Clark had done that last season.
Thank you! I could not remember what episode that was! In Noir, Chloe yelled at him because she knew he was being a jackass about Lexana. In Persona, she already had suspicions something was wrong with Clark before he grabbed her.I think it would better to have more scenes with Chloe and Lois together, with less emphasis on Chloe looking up stuff for Clark. If the two cousins are working together on stories, they have a better chance to also find ways to circumvent Lex's hold over them, and find information to take him down. It will give an opportunity for Chloe to refocus her efforts on journalism, and help hone Lois' nascent skills in journalism.I would have liked that much more that Lois dating Grant and Chloe's non-existent struggle to master her powers.

myankskent

02-02-2008, 10:10 AM

Lana has done one thing, and that was for the wrong Clark, if she can't even tell who's her real boyfriend then, she should not be helping Clark. Ya, she is good with a computer, but remember that computer was to help her look in on Lex.

But not in "Persona". Those computers weren't hooked up to Lex's security feed. Lana was just using those computers to go through her research at the Isis foundation, which as far as we know, is legit.

As for the thread topic, Chloe is still needed. Clark will still go to her for help. Even Bizarro went to Chloe for help about the shield instead of going to Lana. I do wonder what is going to happen with Lana and Isis now from Clark's standpoint. Will he use some of Lana's sources if she can help him? That's the million dollar question.

HowardFilms

02-02-2008, 10:14 AM

Lana may do some of the things Chloe can do...but she's also annoying as hell.

No contest in my opinion.

Jory

02-02-2008, 10:20 AM

Well, he took care of that coffee stain......
:D
:eek:
:p

Yeah, he did. LOL

I can't remember the episode title, but it was where Chloe went to the hospital to see Lana, and Lana tells her about Lionel. Then, at the DP, Clark wants to find out who shot Lana, and he grabs Chloe's arm (she says, "First of all ouch.."), so Clark has grabbed Chloe's arm before.

I would've loved to have seen Lois and Chloe team up. Especially, considering that, Chloe's "power arc" happened offscreen. When did her power evolve to touch? That's right..didn't get to see it.

TheANIMAL (marcus)

02-02-2008, 10:44 AM

Kara, Brainiac (obviously) and dear Cyborg are all people who are better at hacking than Chloe and Lana combined, they're both pretty far down the ladder in computer skills at this point.

paolinki25

02-02-2008, 11:26 AM

Lana is pathetically trying to take a place that has been earned by Chloe already. Plain and simple.

jazel

02-02-2008, 11:46 AM

This doesnt work from a story-telling perspective. Clark/Supes is a superhero. Viewers or readers (as in comics) relate better to superheroes through the eyes of a "normal" human. In the comics, Jimmy Olsen served that purpose, on SV, Chloe did. Now, if they killed off Chloe and replaced her with Jimmy as Clark's pal, that might work. But somehow I cannot imagine them doing that. They wouldn't be able to tease the Chlarkers then. :D

As far as teasing Chlarkers, think TPTB know exactly what they are doing.lol;)
Not much of a comic reader. Always thought Jimmy was more of a comic relief/goofy younger brother type character, to both CK/Supes and Lois. Does he know, about CK's dual identity ?
My point was that from SV's story-telling perspective, I just find it difficult at times to accept, Chloe as the hero, or the one with all the answers.
It was interesting how devastated Chloe was, when Biz told her they (Biz/Lana) were leaving Smallville. Seems Chloe needs him, more than CK probably needs her. JMHO

Dannyblue1

02-02-2008, 12:14 PM

My point was that from SV's story-telling perspective, I just find it difficult at times to accept, Chloe as the hero, or the one with all the answers.
It was interesting how devastated Chloe was, when Biz told her they (Biz/Lana) were leaving Smallville. Seems Chloe needs him, more than CK probably needs her. JMHO

I think they need each other. Look at how upset Clark was in "Cure" when he thought she would forget him and their friendship.

Also, from a story-telling perspective, shows like this need characters like Chloe. They need someone the hero can talk to about stuff, and can go to for information. Listening to them bounce ideas around is how the audience finds out what's going on, what he's thinking, what he's going to do and why, etc.

Sometimes, shows do push the bounds of credibility a little bit with their "in the know" characters. But Chloe's knowledge is no more hard to believe (relatively speaking) than Willow (BtVS) being able to hack into goodness-knows-what by the time she was 16, or Wesley (Angel) being able to analyze blood chemicals or read sonograms. As people have pointed out, Chloe has been "the girl who knows" for seven years. And her ability to find information and use computers has grown slowly over the seasons.

jazel

02-02-2008, 12:23 PM

As people have pointed out, Chloe has been "the girl who knows" for seven years. And her ability to find information and use computers has grown slowly over the seasons.

7 years ? thought she only found out his secret, in season 4.
wonder where the characters would be, in a world without computers.lol;)

BadToad

02-02-2008, 12:38 PM

I think Chloe is needed for one very fundamental reason...its the only healthy, functional friendship and connection Clark has. Forget the computers, or the scoobying, or any of that. Chloe is a good friend. And really, she's the only one Clark has. I think she fills an emotional need for him. And vice versa.

Clark and Lana have shown that their relationship is far too dysfunctional for friendship. At least at this point. Clark and Lois are still too far apart, and her not knowing his secret creates a barrier. Jimmy and Clark are not close at all. Clark and Kara are still getting to know each other. Pete is gone. So, the only real friend Clark has is Chloe.

And thats why, IMO, she is needed. Superman may not need a sidekick, but I do believe he needs friends. And right now, Chloe is the only character who believably fills that position.

MeKa

02-02-2008, 12:39 PM

As far as teasing Chlarkers, think TPTB know exactly what they are doing.lol;)
Not much of a comic reader. Always thought Jimmy was more of a comic relief/goofy younger brother type character, to both CK/Supes and Lois. Does he know, about CK's dual identity ?
My point was that from SV's story-telling perspective, I just find it difficult at times to accept, Chloe as the hero, or the one with all the answers.
It was interesting how devastated Chloe was, when Biz told her they (Biz/Lana) were leaving Smallville. Seems Chloe needs him, more than CK probably needs her. JMHO

Chloe's one of the few people Clark relies on when trying to save someone’s life. Not all the time, but often enough. Remember the short, blonde chick perpetually tapping away on the computer or breaking into some facility or another to save someone? That's pretty heroic in my book.

But I agree that TPTB are totally screwing with our heads. They've taken us into seven seasons without letting Clark become Superman. If they can’t write him fulfilling his destiny then they must fill our TV screens with a myriad of plot lines to keep the show fresh and interesting. And what better way to do that than letting Bizarro grow fond of our very own Lana Lang. As for Chloe, even Bizarro needs her. Clark needs her. Lana needs her. Lois needs her. Jimmy needs her. The JL need her. And if they follow through with the level 33.1 plot hole then Lex/Lionel would need her. Hell, in the latter case she'd crack the Smallville code. Oh yeah, I’d say she’s pretty essential to plot development. TPTB are still catering to their target audience that consists of bereft Clana shippers and teasing the ever-growing numbers of ‘ships on the fringe like Lois/Clark, Clark/Chloe, Chloe/Jimmy, Kara/Jimmy, etc. Because, you have to admit, it's a show about 'ships. Come on, we had Lexana and even Martha/Lionel. As for what the series finale holds for us, only God (AlMiles) knows. :\

ClLaLeChFAN01

02-02-2008, 12:53 PM

from my impression was that Lana did was she took the places where the bodies were found with there metals sucked out put it on a map and found a center point.

it doesnt take computer skills, that takes common sense and Luck and both Lana and Chloe have that. Lana could have been wrong where the source of the problem was.

What i have seen Chloe done is way different from what Lana has done. Let's say Lana is in basic computer class and Chloe is in the advance sesson. To me that is the difference between them.

kentfamily

02-02-2008, 12:59 PM

I think Chloe is a better side kick than Lana eventhough I am NOT a Chlark fan. I am definitely a Clana fan.
Actually, I really want Lana to be working with Queen industries secretly but we all know who is (Chloe).

What I didnt like about this episode was AGAIN they made Lana look stupid like she is clinging onto Clark for the love that she so desparately want from him. (ie she does something and it back fires on her) Then there is this denial thing when Chloe tells her that Clark is acting strange. I thought that was so typical of a girl who needs to be loved by the one person who is supposed to be her boyfriend. Why are they making Lana compete with Chloe for Clark's attention? Or at least it is on Lana's part.

And the FACT that Clark and Chloe are still keeping secrets from Lana, like hiding the Shield and not letting Lana know where it was but Chloe knew. Keeping Lana out of the loop this is just like the old days. The BOND that is between Chloe and Clark are beginning to be annoying. They are selfish in a way when it comes to Lana.

Then there is thing where she made the mistake of not knowing the real Clark. What was so sad about it was that Bizarro was right about Clark not loving Lana.

samanta

02-02-2008, 01:03 PM

7 years ? thought she only found out his secret, in season 4.
wonder where the characters would be, in a world without computers.lol;)
Clark was coming to her for information before Chloe found out his secret. They are working like that since season1.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

It was interesting how devastated Chloe was, when Biz told her they (Biz/Lana) were leaving Smallville. Seems Chloe needs him, more than CK probably needs her. JMHO

Sure Chloe was devasted. Her 2 bestfriends were going to leave Smallville and the way they told her didn't help her to feel better about it.
Just remember Cure when Chloe told Clark that she won't remember him. He was devested too and she wasn't even leaving Smallville or Metropolis but only forgot few years.

Tottally ~ Free

02-02-2008, 01:12 PM

Screw chloe ...

HAIL QUEEN LANA

Dannyblue1

02-02-2008, 02:02 PM

7 years ? thought she only found out his secret, in season 4.

I meant "the girl who knows" in terms of being the girl who usually had, or could get, the information Clark needed to deal with the latest FOTW or whatever. As said above, Clark's been going to Chloe for info since season 1.

LovelyLoisLane

02-02-2008, 02:19 PM

So, who needs Chloe?

You are right . . . Clark doesn't need Chloe . . .unless . .

He needs some Kryptonian translated.
He needs to look at the Daily Planet records.
He needs to look at satellite photos.
He needs to hack into goverment security.
He needs someone to talk about his concerns over Lana with.
He needs a best friend.
He needs someone he can trust to hide important artifacts or devices for him.
He needs the "Watchtower" to help him and the Justice League.
He needs someone to look out for Lois, besides himself.
He needs someone to help him when's he's lost his memory, gone insane, is trapped in another dimension . . . fill in the blank.

Nope, he doesn't need Chloe at all. :p Only all the time. ;)

Lostfan588

02-02-2008, 02:24 PM

Lana might know how to use a computer, but she doesn't know how to use her brains.

I like that Lana is basically saying exactly what the first poster said "Hey Clark you don't need Chloe anymore! Anything she can do I can do! So you two need to stay away from each other." Which makes total sense considering she told Chloe to 'let Clark go' and was all ready to run away from Chloe to Paris with 'Clark'.

And yet, considering all the time Clark spends with Chloe and going to her for advice over Lana....I think this episode, especially with Lana's possessiveness thing she's got going on, Lana actually seems to be worried that it's not just Chloe being a good search engine that he goes to her more than Lana, but that he also enjoys spending more time with Chloe.

But alas, that's just my interpretation :)

Billy Jor-El

02-02-2008, 02:33 PM

Oh, yeah, Lana is running circles around Chloe, she now knows ALL about computers...

"Hey, Clark, I'll spy on Lex for you, but the system says to press any key to continue. Which one is the "any" key?"

Worshippers...the WORLD needs Chloe...I agree I'd love to see her as Watchtower for the JLA. She runs tetrahedrons around everyone.

As for Lana's acquired skills over the seasons (waitress, computer "wiz", entrepreneur, etc), let's not forget...witch and murderess.

Oh, and *I* need Chloe, too :D

Jory

02-02-2008, 06:20 PM

I think both Chloe and Clark "need" each other. They have a great friendship or (as Anne Shirley said on Anne of Green Gables) are "kindred spirits" (I don't mean romantically). As others have pointed out, Clark wasn't too pleased when Chloe said she'd lose her memory in "Cure." Clark pointed out (twice) that she'd forget him. What's interesting is that she used a similar line to Clark that Lana used to her, Chloe told Clark, "If you want to save me, then let me go."

jazel

02-02-2008, 06:21 PM

Screw chloe ...

HAIL QUEEN LANA
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

BlueJay

02-02-2008, 06:48 PM

And the FACT that Clark and Chloe are still keeping secrets from Lana, like hiding the Shield and not letting Lana know where it was but Chloe knew. Keeping Lana out of the loop this is just like the old days. The BOND that is between Chloe and Clark are beginning to be annoying. They are selfish in a way when it comes to Lana.

Then there is thing where she made the mistake of not knowing the real Clark. What was so sad about it was that Bizarro was right about Clark not loving Lana.

Great points!

The cruxes of the matter are, and taking a leaf from kentfamily's book -

Three signs that this relationship has issues
1. Clark feels that he cannot trust Lana will all information. Turned out to be the right call, if he had Bizarro would have been successful.
2. Not knowing the real Clark - blaring red flshing lights and siren, ouch.
3. Clark still feels the need to protect and blame himself for all things that happen to Lana. Yes there was a clone but seriously she should have worked it out or listened to Chloe.

jimmyolsenblues

02-02-2008, 07:01 PM

I may not be a Chlarker , but I have to admit , Chloe is an extremely popular character.
Chloe is always going to be Clark's sidekick.
Plus isn't Chloe the watchtower for Oliver?
So in my opinion, Chloe is here for the long term.

LoveHurts38

02-02-2008, 10:01 PM

AndiGirl

02-03-2008, 01:23 PM

Lana may be useful now....but...(please excuse the lame line) Lana uses her powers for evil and Chloe for good! :) haha. I mean...Lana is obsessed with lex, and spying on him. Chloe has always been there to help Clark for the geater good. Lana is basically interested in things that will benefit her. While it is impressive that her skills has adapted so much, Chloe still has the moral high ground on Lana...so I'm not worried about who Clark will turn to at all.

Krypton935

02-03-2008, 04:39 PM

Get rid of Chloe and I stop watching! and that is saying something! Chloe is amazinga nd she can definitly do things Lana cant! That's why bizarro had to go to Chloe in Gemini to find the pattern. If Lana could have done it she would have! Chloe is the bomb! Anyways she is more than just the useful computer nerd she is the best friend Clark has!

Welling_is_pretty

02-03-2008, 07:17 PM

Well, given the fact that Chloe knew that Bizarro wasn't Clark whike Lana boinked him...sorry to say, dude, but Lana doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed at the moment (nor has she ever).
inelegant but accurate.

And c'mon, Lana may have hacker skillz now but you know they'll disappear like all her other wonderful abilities over the years!

do3mire

02-04-2008, 12:21 AM

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 12:44 AM

But Lana said it playfully, "Chloe's not the only one who knows her way around a computer." She's not insecure where Chloe is concerned. She doesn't have to be; Clark has always chosen her over Chloe. Hey, I have thought on several occasions that he should give a relationship with Chloe a chance, but his heart always drives him back to Lana. He doesn't seem to see Chloe that way.

I know people say quite often that Lana is holding Clark back, but has anyone ever thought that maybe Chloe is? Not intentionally, but I mean Clark does go to her for help with a lot of things. He doesn't do any research himself. That dependency on her skills isn't exactly pushing him toward becoming Superman either. The point would still be true if he starts going to Lana for help, too.

Keep an eye out, if Lana starts being able to do EVERYTHING that Chloe can do, I said we are getting a major hint that they are trying to phase her out. Since Chloe does not factor into Clark's life at all in the future, something pretty big must happen.

do3mire

02-04-2008, 12:59 AM

Unfortunately, she showed it off to the wrong guy. Nah! I dont think her computer skills are part of her story. AlMiles have other plans for her.

RepairmanBob

02-04-2008, 08:02 AM

Keep an eye out, if Lana starts being able to do EVERYTHING that Chloe can do, I said we are getting a major hint that they are trying to phase her out. Since Chloe does not factor into Clark's life at all in the future, something pretty big must happen.When Lana can tell that something is wrong with Clark, like, oh I don't know, being replaced by an evil twin, then I might be concerned.

For now, I will just consider Lana new mad hacker skillz the same as her talents in art, astrology, business, esponiage, witchcraft and Lana-Fu. Random plot devices magically created to keep her revelant to the script, which she will develop and forget based on the needs of the story.I know people say quite often that Lana is holding Clark back, but has anyone ever thought that maybe Chloe is?One woman has been pushing Clark to save people, believe in himself and be heroic for years. The other has made it very clear she wants him all for herself, that he sucks and is a horrible person for not teling her every secret fact about himself and was packing for a trip to Paris. To me, it is pretty clear who is holding Clark back.

coolpeoplesuck

02-04-2008, 08:26 AM

I know people say quite often that Lana is holding Clark back, but has anyone ever thought that maybe Chloe is?

yeah people thought that.. then realised they could think of more times Clarks screwed up something because of Lana..

He does go to Chloe heaps for help.. but in the end it is him who saves the day.. Chloe is the sidekick.

I dont think her computer skills are part of her story. AlMiles have other plans for her.

yeah.. half naked plans I bet.. anyone else find the start of Persona disturbing? the whole open window thing..

Kalista

02-04-2008, 08:31 AM

Random plot devices magically created to keep her revelant to the script

You are so right. She has been irrelevant for the majority of the series.

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

yeah.. half naked plans I bet..

:rotfl:

umm

02-04-2008, 10:45 AM

The idea that Lana could in any way endanger Chloe's position in Smallville or in Clark's life is laughable at best, because Lana can't hold a candle to Chloe in any way! Anything she starts, she doesn't finish, she is a naive, selfish person who cares only about how things will affect her, and the moment she ever joined the Justice League is the moment that organisation would meet its' untimely end due the utter lach of compentance of their newest member! The idea that she could do anything right in the long run is absurd, as Lana's action have proven year in year out, day in day out!

harryandginnyfanatic

02-04-2008, 10:51 AM

I still say Kara is a better hacker than Chloe or Lana.

umm

02-04-2008, 11:08 AM

I still say Kara is a better hacker than Chloe or Lana.

I wouldn't say better, but she is certainly faster! But then again she does have an unfair advantage! Like the fact that she is as human standards go, a superhuman with added speed, strength, indurance etc...!:\

harryandginnyfanatic

02-04-2008, 11:10 AM

I wouldn't say better, but she is certainly faster! But then again she does have an unfair advantage! Like the fact that she is a s human standards go, a superhuman, with added speed, strength, indurance etc...!:\

And with earth she's dealing with as she would put it 'ancient technology, when she comes from a planet that was more technologically advanced.

umm

02-04-2008, 11:18 AM

And with earth she's dealing with as she would put it 'ancient technology, when she comes from a planet that was more technologically advanced.

That too!:)

Nospam

02-04-2008, 11:56 AM

Since we does figuring out that Clark is acting differently equal Chloe knowing that it wasn't Clark. News Flash - Chloe didn't have a clue it was Bizarro either. Even Lana admitted Clark was acting differently than he had in the past, i.e., "he's opening up to me more." Both reflect that both women noticed a change (he treated one nicer, he treated one meaner). Neither realized it was Bizarro, so please stop with all of the Chloe figured it out first, Lana didn't know. Maybe if Bizarro had grabbed Lana like he did Chloe, she would have gotten a little freaked out too. But it's hard to be annoyed or freaked out when your "seemingly boyfriend" is being more romantic and loving. Come on.

Bullsh!t. Chloe knew enough to go to the farm and grab the shield. So yeah, Chloe has instincts and skills that Lana simply cannot match. Time and time again Chloe has demonstrated her insight. intuition and intelligence.

Lana uses a computer once -- something we will probably never see again on this show -- and suddenly she is Chloe's equal? That's worse than grasping, that's pathetic.

Kalista

02-04-2008, 12:02 PM

Lana is the new computer spy

So because Lana used the ten million dollars she stole from Lex to set up a sophisticated surveillance system, she is now the resident computer spy? :rotfl:

Zod in my pocket

02-04-2008, 12:03 PM

:lol::lol:that was funny, but seriusly I like Chloe but let´s face it: Chloe never was part of the main story, she has ....excuseme..less than a year in the comics?:lol:
the truth is that Chloe is pointless now, she should look for another job, or maybe a changing of career, because we know Lois is the only female star reporter of the Daily Planet that the world knows.:)
Chloe Sullivan: Intergalactic heroine. Perfect. Leave this clark in the dirt

m8918

02-04-2008, 12:13 PM

without chloe clark would be lost. plus lana couldn't hack a computer if she tried.

Nospam

02-04-2008, 12:17 PM

Don't worry Chloe fans, it's just the haters again. :p

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 12:19 PM

So, in other words I should look for the upcoming series of "Superman and Chloe: The New Adventures"? Something big happens to break this duo up (Chloe & Clark, I mean). Either she goes way undercover as a spy or watchtower agent for the Justice League (meaning she has no contact with family or friends) or she dies. Some things in cannon and mythos, they can play around with - but there is no Chloe in the future, and Al & Miles cannot go so far as to change that. If they do, then anything is up for grabs.

Nospam

02-04-2008, 12:23 PM

LoisJoanneKent

02-04-2008, 12:39 PM

Don't worry Chloe fans, it's just the haters again. :p

Exactly. The Lana fans need to place so much importance on Lana (who is nothing more than insubstancial fluff), that they do so by undermining Chloe. And no, it's not the Adventures of Chloe & Clark, but it's sure as hell not the adventures of Lana & Clark either. Clark ends up married to Lois, not Lana. And Chloe and Lois are family. Therefore they are both spicy and intelligent women, unlike Lana! Lana really couldn't hack her way out of a paper bag! Smallville without Chloe isn't Smallville. I adore Lois and a a devoted Cloiser, but I must say that there is really no way that Lana could beat Chloe at anything!!:D

WickedJenn

02-04-2008, 12:42 PM

Seriously, no offense to you Chloe fans. I don't dislike Chloe, but Lana with her new equipment is running circles around CHloe. Lana should be working for the Justice League, because love her or hate her, she's good. It may be that her computers and gizmos are helping her, but she has a drive and a "do whatever it takes to get the bad guy" kind of attitude. And with Lana, I don't have to hear the word "moratorium" every episode. It would probably help Clana if Clark did start working with Lana and allowing her to help him.

By the way, loved the scene where Bizarro is mocking Chloe behind her back. :) I completely understand ya' Biz, a simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, right? Maybe we can put a moratorium on her.

My two cents...(sorry I know that cliche makes people wince but I had to)--

IMO, in no way is Lana "running circles" around Chloe. Even if Lana is smart in other ways, let's face it, she was never a computer whiz. In fact, throughout most of Smallville, you hardly ever saw her sitting in front of one. Chloe is a master at research, especially with all the contacts she's accrued over the years working for The Torch and The DP. To me there's no denying that, it's plainly evident on the show. Snazzy equipment means merde here. Chloe doesn't exactly have $10 mil. like Lana does to get all that. But have no doubt if she did, she'd utilize it to its full capabilities.

As for the JL, IMO, Lana doesn't fit into that equation. For one, although she had her suspicions about Clark last season, she didn't know his secret at that point. She also didn't know any of the other members' secrets either. Not to mention she was with Lex, which IMO, would have put her in an even more precarious position if she knew his secret. Anyway, this is relevant because Chloe had known about Clark's for almost two years at that point...then she found out about the others. Having kept Clark's secret for that long, she knew how to work with him, and hey, even helped him hone a new ability. She knew his innerworkings in that regard. Clark trusted her with that info because of her loyalty to him concerning his secret, and he knew, with the mission they had to complete in "Justice", that she would be very useful to them, and she was. He knew that she'd be as loyal to the others as she is to him. Basically what I'm saying is Chloe is very experienced in the "extroadinary ability" section...especially with her having one herself.

I'm not saying that Lana wouldn't try to help Clark, well, at least before "Persona", but to me it's obvious Chloe is the best person for the job, frex, Watchtower.

Ok, if Lana has drive, what IS her drive? To help others soley? Or to help others while benefitting from it herself at the same time? Or helping them in a guise, with some underlying purpose? (Isis and Lex) Just things to think about.

samanta

02-04-2008, 12:43 PM

Exactly. The Lana fans need to place so much importance on Lana (who is nothing more than insubstancial fluff), that they do so by undermining Chloe.
That's true but frankly, Chloe and Lois fans do the same.

jazel

02-04-2008, 12:43 PM

Dustmite

02-04-2008, 12:49 PM

Either she goes way undercover as a spy or watchtower agent for the Justice League (meaning she has no contact with family or friends) or she dies. Some things in cannon and mythos, they can play around with - but there is no Chloe in the future, and Al & Miles cannot go so far as to change that. If they do, then anything is up for grabs.

If she becomes the Watchtower, she would still have contact with Clark as he is part of the JL. Why is it that you assume that they can't play around with Chloe in the Supes mythology but the JL is up for grabs.

So, in other words I should look for the upcoming series of "Superman and Chloe: The New Adventures"?

No it would be Clark and Chloe: The new adventures of SuperBlonde.

That's true but frankly, Chloe and Lois fans do the same.

Sometimes, your objectivity and the fact that you are both a Chloe and a Lana fan and don't dislike Lois, scares me. You're just so fair, it's kind of odd in the SV fandom :p

LoisJoanneKent

02-04-2008, 12:50 PM

Kinda sad for Lana, she really doesn't seem to have a purpose, or direction for her life. Other than being somebody's love interest. Lana the "character", would be so much more fun to watch, if she looked more like Scabby Abby,lol.

That's actually true when you think about it. I'm starting to feel sorry for Lana! I mean granted, Lois is also the archtypical love interest in the comic book world, but she's defined as well as being a tough as nails reporter. She's the star reporter of the Daily Planet in the mythos! And Chloe is the brains of Clark's braun. Lana is just Lana the Love Interest and Road Block to Clark becoming Superman. I feel sorry for her....Poor loser.:\

Kalista

02-04-2008, 12:57 PM

That's true but frankly, Chloe and Lois fans do the same.

I have to agree with you on some level. However, it seems that Chloe and Lois fans use canon, mythos, etc as a basis for their arguments. Whereas, with Lana supporters I tend to see the opposite. I see a lot of silliness like:

Lana haters hate Lana because she is pretty.
Lana haters hate Lana because KK and TW have great chemistry
Lana haters hate Lana because Clark loves her
Chloe needs to be written off b/c Lana is Clark's true love
Lana haters are jealous b/c of the hot "Red" kiss b/t KK and TW

Dustmite

02-04-2008, 01:01 PM

Lana haters hate Lana because she is pretty.
Lana haters hate Lana because KK and TW have great chemistry
Lana haters hate Lana because Clark loves her
Chloe needs to be written off b/c Lana is Clark's true love
Lana haters are jealous b/c of the hot "Red" kiss b/t KK and TW

You're just jellus because you don't have long shiny hair. You're a silly hating hater!!

:p

And seriously I completely agree. Those lines are trotted out when all logical argument fails and it's damn annoying to be told why you dislike a fictional character.

Kalista

02-04-2008, 01:22 PM

You're just jellus because you don't have long shiny hair. You're a silly hating hater!!

:p

And seriously I completely agree. Those lines are trotted out when all logical argument fails and it's damn annoying to be told why you dislike a fictional character.
:lol: No you are just a hating hater because you are jealous that KK gets to have all those hot scenes with TW. In fact, you know they are meant to be together in real life right? That's why I articulate all of my kk/tw IRL fantasies on that other website. Because you know, they have such hot chemistry, they belong together in real life!:lol::lol:/obvious sarcasm:rotfl::rotfl:

LoisJoanneKent

02-04-2008, 01:24 PM

You're just jellus because you don't have long shiny hair. You're a silly hating hater!!

:p

And seriously I completely agree. Those lines are trotted out when all logical argument fails and it's damn annoying to be told why you dislike a fictional character.

Exactly! Lois lovers have the 70+ years of Superman mythos to fall back on.

Chloe lovers have the well earned mad computer skills, and trusting, loyal friend angle.

Lana lovers have.....umm.....well.....yep....Lois and Chloe's hair is not as shiny as Lana's!!:mad:

Dustmite

02-04-2008, 01:31 PM

:lol: No you are just a hating hater because you are jealous that KK gets to have all those hot scenes with TW.

You're right. I am jellus that KK is hawt and that TW is hawt and that they get to be hawt together. It's not fair. *stamps foot*

Lana lovers have.....umm.....well.....yep....Lois and Chloe's hair is not as shiny as Lana's!!

No one's hair is as shiny as Lana's.

Nospam

02-04-2008, 01:41 PM

No one's hair is as shiny as Lana's.

I think Shelby has prettier hair, er, fur. :)

LoisJoanneKent

02-04-2008, 01:50 PM

I think Shelby has prettier hair, er, fur. :)

Nospam, what have you done?! You've questioned the great Lana's shininess!! NOBODY HAS SHINIER HAIR THAN LANA!! Do you hear me?! NOBODY!!! Now you have incurred the wrath of the Lana lovers! They will start attacking Shelby's significance in Clark's life. Anything to prove to all of us that Lana is the heart and soul (and hair) of Clark's life and Smallville!!

I LOVE YOU LANA. AND YOUR SHINY HAIR. Lois and Chloe could never compete with you, even if they actually have a brain!!!

Kalista

02-04-2008, 02:01 PM

Let's say that Clark didn't "need" Chloe. He wants her in his life. And not only does he want her in his life, he can't bear the thought of losing her. So, just to reiterate what most have said: Clark needs and WANTS Chloe in his life.

Nospam

02-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Nospam, what have you done?! You've questioned the great Lana's shininess!! NOBODY HAS SHINIER HAIR THAN LANA!! Do you hear me?! NOBODY!!! Now you have incurred the wrath of the Lana lovers! They will start attacking Shelby's significance in Clark's life. Anything to prove to all of us that Lana is the heart and soul (and hair) of Clark's life and Smallville!!

I LOVE YOU LANA. AND YOUR SHINY HAIR. Lois and Chloe could never compete with you, even if they actually have a brain!!!

:lol:

Well, Shelby does have a cute, wet nose.

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 02:39 PM

If she becomes the Watchtower, she would still have contact with Clark as he is part of the JL. Why is it that you assume that they can't play around with Chloe in the Supes mythology but the JL is up for grabs.

No it would be Clark and Chloe: The new adventures of SuperBlonde.

Sometimes, your objectivity and the fact that you are both a Chloe and a Lana fan and don't dislike Lois, scares me. You're just so fair, it's kind of odd in the SV fandom :p

Dustmite, good point. I don't believe that they should play around with her in JL mythology either. Al & Miles have very few options with the Chloe-character. I think you can only push the envelope so far with characters who do not factor at all in cannon and mythos. It's fine for Lana to be Clark's love interest pre-training. It's fine for Chloe to be his sidekick pre-training. It is not fine for either to be significantly involved in his life after he trains and becomes Superman. Lana is no longer his love interest and Chloe is non-existent. I'm all for SV including these elements & characters, but I think by shows end, we should see some finality, particularly with Chloe. I say that not as a Chloe-hater (I don't hate any of the characters, that's silly), but because Lana is in some of the comics after Clark becomes Superman (just not as his girlfriend), and Chloe isn't in any of them. As great as a character is (be it Lana or Chloe, and I like both), I do not think cannon/mythos should be rewritten in order to include them in Superman's life. Hence, was the reason I wondered if they were slowly trying to phase the character of Chloe (by giving Lana her skills).

Dustmite

02-04-2008, 03:26 PM

I do not think cannon/mythos should be rewritten in order to include them in Superman's life.

In that case Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, The Daily Planet and kryptonite should all be eliminated from the mythos as they didn't originally appear in the comics but were introduced in the radio show and later added to the comics.

Tobywolf13

02-04-2008, 04:40 PM

1)Wow that's a lot of debate. One thing that struck me was the point of this season and the "DP Arc" which really equaled Chloe angsting about her MF powers and Lois shagging Grant. It was a waste of both actresses and both characters. I think all of us wanted to see Chloe and Lois figuring out that Grant was playing both of them (and by extension Lex was) and teaming up to take him down. I think it would have been so much more rewarding to see the Chlo-Lo relationship helping both girls---giving Chloe a bit more focus on journalism again and helping Lois learn the ropes. I hope they'll start having the girls work together instead of bogus rivalries that never panned out. Seriously, why can't the Sullivan-Lane family have two good reporters in it?

2) Yeah, I'd say Kara and by extension Clark if he'd learn it can both out hack Chloe or Lana. I mean, it's like one of us being confused by velcro or something. Kara's knowledge of advanced computers would have to dwarf anybody's by virtue of where she'd been born.

3) I think Lana as hacker is just another of her wonderful skills. I hear next week she learns how to be an astronaut. Also, we don't even know SHE did it. She has a staff of scientists working for her who probably did the triangulation stuff for her.

4) Chloe didn't know either. Well, Biz was on the farm 24/7 having sex with Lana. The time he visits her in the DP is the first time he's seen her since he got back because he's confused to see all the chaos in the basement and Chloe has to explain about how her job is in jeopardy. She noticed in five minutes that he didn't remember what he was supposed to and that threw her worse than the arm grab. Did Lana and Biz talk about nothing in the last two weeks. "Clark" failed to remember Miss Sweet Corn and Chloe noticed. What slips was he making around Lana?

5) Lana can't work for the JL. Lana can't be trusted with secrets. Lex gave her access to classified government documents about the black ship and she was sharing info with Chloe behind his back. He could have gone to prison for these kinds of slips. She certainly isn't ready to secret keep for Ollie or the League. She's also not selfless enough to sign on for the hero business. Seriously, this ep illustrated all she wants to do is have sex, eat gourmet meals, and fly to Paris. She doesn't care about helping others. She found Brainiac to humor the WRONG Clark, but she was also more than happy to leave her "helping" foundation of Isis behind and flee to Paris.

6) Chloe's irrelevant in the future.

Stone throwing. Lana is NOT a huge part of the future Superman's life. We know he falls for Lois and that's 70 years of comic lore telling us this will happen. Lois is his future (whether you Chlois or not is a different debate). However, that doesn't make Chloe useless. DC bought the rights to her. They haven't figured out how to use her and they pulled back from introducing her before SV ends its run, but she is DC property now. She's in the SV mythos. She matters and saying she's irrelevant because she's never been in the comics is just as stupid as saying kryptonite doesn't matter since it wasn't originally in the comics. Um, Lana wasn't either.

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 06:17 PM

In that case Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, The Daily Planet and kryptonite should all be eliminated from the mythos as they didn't originally appear in the comics but were introduced in the radio show and later added to the comics.

These elements were added decades ago. PW, JO, the DP, as well as kryptonite have been in the comics for years upon years now. We accept those elements as cannon. As I said, I have no problems with a Chloe-sidekick or a Lana-love interest prior to Clark's training. Because neither of these characters factor very much (or at all) into Superman's life, these relationships will have to somehow end. I'm a big Clana fan, but I know that Clark will not end up with Lana. It cannot be rewritten this way, at least not to this extent. There is no Chloe, except on SV, so I think this relationship, too will end. But if people are going to argue about this and say that there can be some sort of Clark/Chloe friendship or romance after he goes off to train, then one could also argue that Clark ends up married to Lana after he becomes Superman, too.

jazel

02-04-2008, 06:26 PM

These elements were added decades ago. PW, JO, the DP, as well as kryptonite have been in the comics for years upon years now. We accept those elements as cannon. As I said, I have no problems with a Chloe-sidekick or a Lana-love interest prior to Clark's training. Because neither of these characters factor very much (or at all) into Superman's life, these relationships will have to somehow end. I'm a big Clana fan, but I know that Clark will not end up with Lana. It cannot be rewritten this way, at least not to this extent. There is no Chloe, except on SV, so I think this relationship, too will end. But if people are going to argue about this and say that there can be some sort of Clark/Chloe friendship or romance after he goes off to train, then one could also argue that Clark ends up married to Lana after he becomes Superman, too.

you brought up some valid points, and I agree.:D

LexLuv180

02-04-2008, 06:34 PM

"who needs Chloe?"

I NEED CHLOE! :mad:

My thoughts exactly. Having Lana brush up on her computer skills doesn't make Chloe a moot point as a friend to Clark.

Billy Jor-El

02-04-2008, 07:25 PM

And just where does Lana brush up on those skills? Or are we to accept it as off-camera training? She isn't in school, taking night classes at Smallville Computer Tech, or wherever. Just because she's a Luthor (or ex) doesn't make her a master of the IT world. Chloe has been shown to excel at computers back in high school, Lana was thrashing her pom pons (actually...look it up...pom poms are big military guns, pom pons are the things that cheerleaders toss around.....at least when this subject came up when I worked on MY school paper). Anyway, point is Lana can reinvent the wheel and it still will not make Chloe any less relevant, important, interesting....or beautiful ;)

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 08:22 PM

you brought up some valid points, and I agree.:D

Wow, we finally agree on something, Jazel. It's a first! Bravo to us! :)

kasealaine

02-04-2008, 08:42 PM

I thought to myself, "Self, go to a message forum and debate something concerning Lana. But first, get really really drunk."

I was going to really intelligently speak about Lana's rapidly appearing powers (maybe she's a meteor freak?), or her inability to be written into a story arc that doesn't revolve around her, or the several times when her boyfriend hasn't been himself and she didn't notice (Zod/Lex, Bizarro/Clark, Whitney/Tina Greer, and don't even get me started on the personality switcharoos that Jason pulled).
I was going to intelligently speak about it. Then you mentioned Lana's shiny hair and I'll be darned if I can think about anything else.

petitemimi

02-04-2008, 09:16 PM

Lana is perfect, have all the abilities, have all the men falling for her; she's strong, courageous, beautiful, good cook, good lover, with extensive computer skills as well as astronomy knowledge; she's also an artist and she's always been brilliant: she was a coffee shop manager at the age of 15.
It's just too bad that she switches men so easily but hey, it's not her fault if she's irresistible! And men are so disappointing! They just don't want to be devoted to her 100% for some reason. That's why they're punished by losing her at some point, and then they can NEVER get over her.

Seriously, IMO, Lana's representation in SV is just a little girl's fantasy (she even had her own pony! er... horse). So, please, let's just keep Chloe, she's a breath of fresh air.

kasealaine

02-04-2008, 09:19 PM

They are not only punished by losing her... some of them are punished by death. Serves them right, too. :D

jazel

02-04-2008, 09:41 PM

Wow, we finally agree on something, Jazel. It's a first! Bravo to us! :)
think you might be wrong, but YAY anyway.lol ;)
I was more of Clanaer, but my hope fell for the pair, w/ Reckoning.:(
Clana should have had atleast one season, without angst.;)

kasealaine

02-04-2008, 09:47 PM

Clana should have had atleast one season, without angst.;)

I agree. I would have liked to watch their chemistry with just some normal relationship issues thrown in here and there.

berniepooh

02-04-2008, 09:51 PM

:lol::lol:that was funny, but seriusly I like Chloe but let´s face it: Chloe never was part of the main story, she has ....excuseme..less than a year in the comics?:lol:
the truth is that Chloe is pointless now, she should look for another job, or maybe a changing of career, because we know Lois is the only female star reporter of the Daily Planet that the world knows.:)

You might be on to something here. Especially if Chloe can learn how to pout and whine and lay guilt trips on Clark. She could morph into Lahloe and suddenly Clark wouldn't be able to let her out of his sight!!
Brilliant, brilliant I tell you!

Clana4Life

02-04-2008, 10:47 PM

think you might be wrong, but YAY anyway.lol ;)
I was more of Clanaer, but my hope fell for the pair, w/ Reckoning.:(
Clana should have had atleast one season, without angst.;)

Yeah, I agree, but then people would get bored with the perfect couple who had no problems. People would complain that's unrealistic. It's pretty much impossible to satisfy everyone. I'm pretty ok with everything at the moment. I liked Biz, but they killed him off. I'll be happy with SV as long as they tidy up these relationships before the series ends. By tidy up, that means:

Lex should be completely evil and Lionel should be dead by the hands of Lex
Clana will be over (amicably, I hope)
Chloe will be gone (hey, I didn't say she died, she has just disappeared b/c cannon caught up with her and said "not on my watch, there's only room for Lois now")
Clark should be in FOS training
Kara should be in her own series

Nice and tidy with a bow on top. :cool:

jazel

02-04-2008, 10:52 PM

Yeah, I agree, but then people would get bored with the perfect couple who had no problems. People would complain that's unrealistic. It's pretty much impossible to satisfy everyone. I'm pretty ok with everything at the moment. I liked Biz, but they killed him off. I'll be happy with SV as long as they tidy up these relationships before the series ends. By tidy up, that means:

Lex should be completely evil and Lionel should be dead by the hands of Lex
Clana will be over (amicably, I hope)
Chloe will be gone (hey, I didn't say she died, she has just disappeared b/c cannon caught up with her and said "not on my watch, there's only room for Lois now")
Clark should be in FOS training
Kara should be in her own series

Nice and tidy with a bow on top. :cool:

:lol: YOU and I, are in complete accord.;)

Dustmite

02-05-2008, 05:48 AM

These elements were added decades ago.

At one point they were new.

We accept those elements as cannon

At one time they weren't.

Jory

02-05-2008, 06:28 AM

Aren't Smallville and the comics different anyways? I mean in the comics Jimmy's 10 years younger than Clark and Lois, yet on Smallville he's the same age. Clark's met Perry White in his teens, not when he arrives at the DP, like in the comics. Lois has lived with and known Clark(without glasses)in Smallville, and not first met him at the DP like in the comics. Lex lives in Smallville (and has met and known Clark without glasses too), not first seen him as Superman. Jonathan has died on Smallville, but lives on in the comics. The Kents are younger on Smallville, yet older in the comics. Pete's an African American on Smallville, and white in the comics. Lana and Clark's relationship is more on Smallville than it is in the comics. Clark lost his virginity to Lana in Smallville, not Lois like in the comics. Clark (as a teen/ early 20's) has already fought: Zod, Brainiac, and Bizarro and has been imprisoned in the Phantom Zone, before he became Superman like in the comics. Myx was a human in Smallville, yet an imp in the comics. The list goes on, on how Smallville has diverged from the comics. If Smallville can veer off from the comics, I don't see why Chloe can't be in Clark's future; after all, just because something happened on Smallville doesn't mean it has to happen in the comics. There are rumors Jimmy Olsen will die in the comics, does that mean he has to die on Smallville too? Or are Smallville and the comics two seperate entities?

Ladyalchemy

02-05-2008, 02:31 PM

On a whole I think Chloe's fans need her, as previously proved by all the support she has garnished. She has been thought to be dead on more than one occasion and I firmly believe that her fandom is what has kept her around. The comics bought the rights to her so either her fans influenced that or they saw her as a likable character or a combination of both. And as for in the show.

I think Lana needs her. Sure Lana can have some hacking skill too but i think some of the reason she hasn't tipped over to the dark side is that Chloe(and others) showed her the path she was treading.
I think Clark needs her because despite living your life and doing what you do on a daily basis everyone needs a good friend. Even if things are great between him and Lana and Lana has his sexual, friend and companionship spots covered he still needs his Chole. Lana doesn't have to be his world. Clark has a big enough heart for many friends. Many people have S.O. and still find they need their family and friends.

I think Lois needs her coz, for openly they have shown they have more of a sisterhood than just distantly related family who sometimes hang out.

And lastly the world needs Chloe, the world of Smallville and metropolis where there is a dark mad man with power and money out to dominate. That world needs Superman but Superman needs people(plural) to lean on too. Even if Chole doesn't become star reporter and that job is indeed given to Lois, even if Clark by chance stays with Lana in the SV world and Lana manages to imbue herself with hacker skills extraordinaire, that doesn't change what makes up Chole Sullivan, it doesn't shift her essence. The world needs good people and she happens to be one of them. We need unique people at different times to be there for us and so does Clark.

kasealaine

02-05-2008, 02:57 PM

I don't think that you can quantify a person's worth by what they can do. Not to turn this into a moralistic discussion or anything (I know that Chloe's a fictional character), but don't people have intrinsic worth just because they're people? If you're trying to create a realistic world in which the show takes place you have to recognize that they all have worth (which is why I hate it when someone dies on the show and then the next week everyone forgets about it).

Clana4Life

02-05-2008, 03:00 PM

Great post Ladyalchemy. I just haven't know many series to keep characters who do (or can) hold the same function. And it seemed as though Lana was slowly developing Chloe's skills. Maybe it will be different with Chloe. I think her new meteor freak power will be the death of her. She'll save someone's life at the risk of her. Your post was well worded and very good, I think.

Jory, SV has introduced cannon/mythos characters earlier than their original timing, but all of these characters are "knowns". What I mean is that we are familiar with all of them. Chloe is the one exception. If they can stretch SV to include a Chloe Sullivan in Clark's life even after he goes to the FOS, I'd say anything is up for grabs. I will then say that Al & Miles need not ever break Clana up. The DP can have two star female reporters. Lois will always be just that girl that Clark kinda finds annoying, but never anything more. My point is that some things are well established. They can introduce characters now, but they cannot change things that for all intended purposes have been written in stone. Clark & Lois cannot get together pre-training. But I don't know from a legal standpoint how much room Al & Miles have to change Superman history. I know they can only go so far before "Superman" fans cry in an uproar. I think that Chloe will just remain a part of his pre-training days. I think they will slowly phase her out during Season 8, or she will sacrifice her life for someone else. I think Lana and Lois will take on her function.

Tottally ~ Free

02-05-2008, 03:18 PM

the thing that p*sses me of most about this show is the fact that nobody can do anything without someone eles help...

and yeah, its a show (well, meant to be a show) about superman before he becomes superman, so yeah saving people and sidekicks and stuff is apart of that ..but its so annoying.

I think to a degree clark needs chloe but ..that doesnt mean he should. man, the charictors on this show need to be more focused on there own sh*t and stop fussing about others.

Kal-ed

02-05-2008, 03:20 PM

This doesnt work from a story-telling perspective. Clark/Supes is a superhero. Viewers or readers (as in comics) relate better to superheroes through the eyes of a "normal" human. In the comics, Jimmy Olsen served that purpose, on SV, Chloe did. Now, if they killed off Chloe and replaced her with Jimmy as Clark's pal, that might work. But somehow I cannot imagine them doing that. They wouldn't be able to tease the Chlarkers then. :D

I dont think JO in the comics helps Superman anywhere near what Chloe does for Clark in SV. Its not Chloe´s fault of course, she helps cause she can but either ther writers or Clark are too lazy and Chloe has just become the first option of gaining info, instead of Clark doing some research on his own.

I actually enjoyed Bizarro and the way, he got things without Chloe having to break them down for him or even before she finished talking, with Clark he just stands looking clueless waiting untill Chloe specifically tells him he should do something, its not all the time, that this happen but it does happen often enough to make Clark look bad, like the brawn and Chloe his brain.

I think Clark needs start doing some of that work on his own.

Kalista

02-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Did it ever occur to anyone that Clark is always turning to Chloe because he enjoys the time they spend together?

Dustmite

02-05-2008, 03:26 PM

Regardless of whether or not Clark (or even Lois) for that matter need Chloe, they both want her. She is not a means to an end and she provides much more then just information.

Dannyblue1

02-05-2008, 03:37 PM

I think to a degree clark needs chloe but ..that doesnt mean he should. man, the charictors on this show need to be more focused on there own sh*t and stop fussing about others.

It's a necessary dramatic device. On shows like this, the lead characters always have people they can go to for information and help. Watching two or more characters talk about what's going on, or watching a character give another some info, is just more interesting than watching one character looking up stuff on a computer or whatever.

Just sticking with WB/CW shows, Buffy had Giles and Willow. Angel had Wesley and Fred. And so on and so forth.

It's not that the lead characters can't do things on their own when necessary. (We've seen Buffy, Angel and Clark all manage to figure things out and save the day all on their own, when they didn't have their support system to go to for help for one reason or another.) But viewers like watching two or more characters work together more than watching one character work alone. We like "Scoobying."

If Chloe wasn't Clark's go-to-gal, there would be another character on the show filling the same "info-gatherer" role.

Njdeh_S

02-05-2008, 03:39 PM

If Chloe is gone from this show, then I wouldnt enjoy the show. Now if Lana was gone that another story...

Nospam

02-05-2008, 03:48 PM

It's a necessary dramatic device. On shows like this, the lead characters always have people they can go to for information and help. Watching two or more characters talk about what's going on, or watching a character give another some info, is just more interesting than watching one character looking up stuff on a computer or whatever.

Just sticking with WB/CW shows, Buffy had Giles and Willow. Angel had Wesley and Fred. And so on and so forth.

It's not that the lead characters can't do things on their own when necessary. (We've seen Buffy, Angel and Clark all manage to figure things out and save the day all on their own, when they didn't have their support system to go to for help for one reason or another.) But viewers like watching two or more characters work together more than watching one character work alone. We like "Scoobying."

If Chloe wasn't Clark's go-to-gal, there would be another character on the show filling the same "info-gatherer" role.

Besides, what is a television show without other characters with which to interact? That would be boring. Imagine Star Trek with Captain Kirk all by himself in the Enterprise; Survivor with only the annoying host; Clark with only his balls and the loft. Boring.

Lara Lane

02-05-2008, 03:50 PM

You are right . . . Clark doesn't need Chloe . . .unless . .

He needs some Kryptonian translated.
He needs to look at the Daily Planet records.
He needs to look at satellite photos.
He needs to hack into goverment security.
He needs someone to talk about his concerns over Lana with.
He needs a best friend.
He needs someone he can trust to hide important artifacts or devices for him.
He needs the "Watchtower" to help him and the Justice League.
He needs someone to look out for Lois, besides himself.
He needs someone to help him when's he's lost his memory, gone insane, is trapped in another dimension . . . fill in the blank.

Nope, he doesn't need Chloe at all. :p Only all the time. ;)

*reads*

All true, all true.

Clark, you're useless!! :rotfl:

Kalista

02-05-2008, 03:51 PM

Besides, what is a television show without other characters with which to interact? That would be boring. Imagine Star Trek with Captain Kirk all by himself in the Enterprise; Survivor with only the annoying host; Clark with only his balls and the loft. Boring.

Those are good analogies. You mean the bouncy balls right?:rotfl:

LovelyLoisLane

02-05-2008, 05:25 PM

Regardless of whether or not Clark (or even Lois) for that matter need Chloe, they both want her. She is not a means to an end and she provides much more then just information.

Very true. Chloe is a very good friend, and in Lois' case nearly a sister, to both Lois and Clark. She makes them feel better by providing an ear to listen and an ear that actually CARES.

Nospam

02-05-2008, 05:30 PM

Those are good analogies. You mean the bouncy balls right?:rotfl:

Oh, absolutely. :)

jazel

02-05-2008, 05:51 PM

Chloe will always be need in SV.
Most fans would have given up on him, years ago, IF not for Chloe.;)

berniepooh

02-05-2008, 05:54 PM

Oh, absolutely. :)

Thanks for clearing that up!
:eek:

Tottally ~ Free

02-06-2008, 09:31 AM

It's not that the lead characters can't do things on their own when necessary.

but my point is, have we really seen this from clark?

your right that in shows like this its almost tradition to have sidekicks but like clark said in persona "you saved me again chloe" he shouldn't still need to be saved so much..and then right at the end of persona it was lana..LANA who saved him and stopped bizarro.

thats all Im saying:)

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 09:55 AM

WickedJenn

02-06-2008, 10:43 AM

Has anyone else noticed that Lana tends to do the right thing, even when it's clear that she so desperately WANTS to do the wrong thing.
She kills Bizarro, but she wants to be with him.
She stops spying on Lex, but she wants revenge
The list could go on, but I don't have time to list it all.

Maybe SHE needs Chloe AND Clark. Something tells me that they are the only people who make her see that she could be good. If they abandoned her, she would probably end up a lot like Lex. Remember, that's what happened to him. Clark and Chloe realized that they couldn't save him (or thought that they couldn't) and started battling against him. He lost faith in himself after that. Same thing would happen to Lana. She's on a downward spiral towards evil.

It's interesting you bring that up, and it reminded me of something. Reminded me of how in earlier seasons, Clark (and the Kents secondary) was the one who tried to bring out the good in Lex, it was his influence that would at least make Lex think before making decisions. How many times did Lex say, in earlier seasons, that Clark's friendship was the bright spot in his life? That he was like the brother, and the Kents the family, he never had? When things were going well with Lana, especially end of season 5/beginning of season 6, Lex had a little good left in him at times. Even Lionel at times tried to get him to see his destructive path (post Jor-El vessel days).

But, now that's all gone, he's left to his own devices, and look what's happened. When you posted that, I thought right away of all this. It's almost a repeat pattern IMO.

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 11:38 AM

"It's interesting you bring that up, and it reminded me of something. Reminded me of how in earlier seasons, Clark (and the Kents secondary) was the one who tried to bring out the good in Lex, it was his influence that would at least make Lex think before making decisions. How many times did Lex say, in earlier seasons, that Clark's friendship was the bright spot in his life? That he was like the brother, and the Kents the family, he never had? When things were going well with Lana, especially end of season 5/beginning of season 6, Lex had a little good left in him at times. Even Lionel at times tried to get him to see his destructive path (post Jor-El vessel days).

But, now that's all gone, he's left to his own devices, and look what's happened. When you posted that, I thought right away of all this. It's almost a repeat pattern IMO."

I think that Lana and Lex are a lot alike in a lot of ways. Both (basically) orphaned at a young age, both have issues with commitment, both like to be in charge/control. None of these are bad things, obviously, it just depends on the way their lives go.
They also both looked to the Kents as a family or at least an extension of their family. Chloe told Lana that she thought of her as a sister, so we can hope that Lana feels the same way about Chloe. If Chloe or Clark left and that family followed the same pattern as the rest of her famiy, she could potentially follow the same road as Lex.
I think that if the relationship between Clark and her or Chloe and her is ended, it should be ended amicably. If it isn't, then Lana should fall into some darker territory- mainly because the writers shouldn't leave her without some sort of consequence.

Clana4Life

02-06-2008, 02:57 PM

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 03:14 PM

The way you paint these pictures, it makes it seem as though Clark and Chloe are the great white hope. Without the influence of these two, people go down dark, evil paths. Clark and Chloe have needed rescuing from the dark side, too.

They have, it's true, but right now, at this point in the series, Lana's the one that's teetering dangerously close to that edge. When Chloe was making a deals with Lionel and betraying Clark, I BELIEVE that Lana was actually still the sweet and innocent teenager that Clark fell in love with. That's just the way the characters have changed. Clark and Chloe have issues, but they're just not nearly as large as Lana's.

Kalista

02-06-2008, 03:32 PM

Who needs Lana now?

Seriously, no offense to you Lana fans. I don't dislike Lana, but Chloe's computer skills have and always will run circles around Lana’s. Chloe is working for the Justice League (though not as an official member), because love her or hate her, Clark, AC, Cyborg and Green Arrow recognize her to be a valuable asset. Not only are Chloe’s computers and gizmos helping her, but she has always had the drive and a "do whatever it takes to get the bad guy" kind of attitude. And with Chloe, I don't have to hear the phrase "be honest with me" every episode. It would probably help Clana if Clark kicked the cow out of his house and had nothing more to do with her.

By the way, loved the scene where Bizarro is doing Lana from behind. I completely understand ya' Biz, if she lacks the perception/brains to distinguish between you and Clark, why not? To use what some perceive to be Chloe’s overused word, maybe we can put a moratorium on Lana and Clana.

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 03:36 PM

^ People only think that moratorium is over-used because every time Chloe says it they wonder what it means.

WickedJenn

02-06-2008, 03:38 PM

The way you paint these pictures, it makes it seem as though Clark and Chloe are the great white hope. Without the influence of these two, people go down dark, evil paths. Clark and Chloe have needed rescuing from the dark side, too.

I was just picking up on similarities between the Lana and Lex storylines that I've noticed. I'm not saying that Clark and Chloe haven't had their dark moments, but from what I see, it's not something that happens often.

Dannyblue1

02-06-2008, 03:40 PM

WickedJenn

02-06-2008, 03:41 PM

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 03:45 PM

Kalista

02-06-2008, 03:48 PM

The thing about Chloe's "walk on the darkside" was that it didn't last. In the heat of anger, she made a deal to sell Clark out to Lionel. But she didn't go through with it. Instead, she kept protecting Clark, like always and, as a result, Lionel tried real hard to destroy her life.

We've seen Lana go through with it. We've seen her have a man abducted. We've seen her spying on people. We've seen her beating people in the head with a shovel. And lying with ease to the guy she's supposed to love. (I was actually surprised by how good a liar Lana turned out to be.)

Yes, all of the characters have been tempted by the darkness. But Lana seems much more willing to actually give in to it.

I agree.
I have been going back and re-watching the episodes from earlier seasons and I have drawn a different conclusion about Lana and TPTB. I used to think that they favored her character but I don't think so. I think the setup for Lana to reach the point she is at now has always been there. I can't remember the name of the episode, but remember when she was trying to get the Talon up and running? She did something to undermine the other local coffee shop and commented on how she enjoyed being underhanded. A more recent example involved her threatening a Luthorcorp employee in an attempt to help Lex (sorry, the details are fuzzy). But Lex commented how he didn't know that blackmail was one of her talents. I think statements such as these were written for a specific reason: to reveal dark, festering qualities within Lana. It has been a slow progression but she has been headed in this direction from the beginning, IMO.

WickedJenn

02-06-2008, 03:52 PM

I agree.
I have been going back and re-watching the episodes from earlier seasons and I have drawn a different conclusion about Lana and TPTB. I used to think that they favored her character but I don't think so. I think the setup for Lana to reach the point she is at now has always been there. I can't remember the name of the episode, but remember when she was trying to get the Talon up and running? She did something to undermine the other local coffee shop and commented on how she enjoyed being underhanded. It has been a slow progression but she has been headed in this direction from the beginning, IMO.

I think that was "Drone". She found out about Health Code violations at The Beanery and got them shut down, I believe.

Kalista

02-06-2008, 03:56 PM

I am no longer convinced that Clark loves Lana either. It is obsession based on an idealized view of Lana. Clark's perception of Lana and what the viewers witnessed often stood in stark contrast.

Faerus

02-06-2008, 04:50 PM

Of course we need a Chloe, Clark will never solve a crime without Chloe help..btw Lana doesnt work alone..we can see that in the Action (Episode 5) when Lana and another woman had Lionel in the cabin.
Maybe Lana just asked some1 to install those equipment...and let me remind you that Chloe knows how to run those kind of software...since she removed them.

I think Chloe deserves her position at DC World more than Lana or than any other stupid character.

Chloe I love you.

<edit>
At least Chloe have a life and if you think more....Lana has too many problems....
<edit>

Nospam

02-06-2008, 05:34 PM

By the way, loved the scene where Bizarro is doing Lana from behind.

Pardon? :eek:

The thing about Chloe's "walk on the darkside" was that it didn't last. In the heat of anger, she made a deal to sell Clark out to Lionel. But she didn't go through with it. Instead, she kept protecting Clark, like always and, as a result, Lionel tried real hard to destroy her life.

We've seen Lana go through with it. We've seen her have a man abducted. We've seen her spying on people. We've seen her beating people in the head with a shovel. And lying with ease to the guy she's supposed to love. (I was actually surprised by how good a liar Lana turned out to be.)

Yes, all of the characters have been tempted by the darkness. But Lana seems much more willing to actually give in to it.

Great point. Some people go on and on about Chloe's "betrayal", which was nothing of the sort when all was said and done and she and her family paid dearly for her mistake.

kasealaine

02-06-2008, 06:19 PM

Pardon? :eek:

That must have been the European version. :lol:

Kalista

02-07-2008, 12:16 PM

As early as season two Lana has shown a disregard for the privacy of those closest to her. The first example would be reading the Fever letter. I know some will say that it wasn't wrong since it was in the garbage and she accidentally stumbled upon it but she didn't have to read the entire letter. The second example involved Lana snooping through Chloe's computer and looking at the spring formal pictures. That was a deliberate invasion of Chloe's privacy because she had to actually open the files. We saw the same tendency in later seasons with her going through Clark's drawers in his room. Martha Kent opened her home to Lana in her time of need and responded by going through Clark's personal items. And when Chloe left Lana alone in her apartment she attempted to sneak through Chloe's computer files once again with no remorse. The greatest invasion of her friends' privacy occured in Promise when she locked Chloe in the wine cellar and eavesdropped on Chloe and Clark's relationship (ultimately leading to her learning Clark's secret-which he was not ready to reveal...to her). Initially, Chloe was prying into Clark's background but she stopped when he asked her to, even though she had many questions/suspicions. Lana was not willing to give him that same respect and without regard for anyone's feelings, she took matters into her own hands. IMO, the foundation for her to become evil was setup from the beginning.