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freefall

12-14-2007, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by Randy G.
I think they're trying to throw "Lois Lane - Super Reporter" on the public way too fast. Had they started this storyline much earlier, and given it some time to grow on us, it wouldn't seemed so forced. They're basing her entire skills as a reporter, on the fact that she's so agressive. Just like a pitbull, latching on to something and not letting go.

Actually, you're making a point for Lois. :) Being just like a pitbull is actually one of Lois' defining traits as a reporter in any medium. It's her Mad Dog Lane attitude that gets her stories, not because of her neverending list of nameless sources and her magic laptop.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Chloe, on the other hand, has had to struggle for every thing she's earned. Unfortunately us Chloe fans have the grim knowledge that in the future everything she's worked for and loves will be handed over to Lois, who, in my opinion has earned none of it.

When you put it that way, then I think this is just another thinly veiled attempt of the obligatory "Poor Chloe" threads for every episode. :)

IMO Chloe has lost her journalistic fire long before Lois even became a reporter, since Mortal to be exact.

chlark fan

12-14-2007, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
It's her Mad Dog Lane attitude that gets her stories

Or if that doesn't work she just exposes some cleavage and bats her eyelashes.

Randy G.

12-14-2007, 05:12 AM

I try to show love for all of the characters on an equal basis. I'm not a bigger fan of one or the other.
But, they could have at least had Chloe find something she like doing better than reporting, and excel at it.
She's a Super-hacker, so let's see her find her place with this, and then it wouldn't be so bad if Lois climbed the ranks as a reporter. This would satisfy just about everyone.
As it stands, it just leaves an overall sour taste, watching Chloe being pushed aside.

chlark fan

12-14-2007, 05:12 AM

Amazing journalistic integrity

harryandginnyfanatic

12-14-2007, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Lois and Lana are handed everything by the WRITERS and AlMiles. Lois becoming an instant reporting sensation and the new hottest girl in town is the equivalent of Lana learning Kung Fu overnight and magically becoming a brilliant artist that earns a scholarship to Paris. We're told to adore them but are never given any real reason to.

Chloe, on the other hand, has had to struggle for every thing she's earned. Unfortunately us Chloe fans have the grim knowledge that in the future everything she's worked for and loves will be handed over to Lois, who, in my opinion has earned none of it.

I don't see Lionel getting such a great deal at the end of the show either.

I'm surprised there's no sympathy for the MB who had his company taken away from him by Lex.

freefall

12-14-2007, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Or if that doesn't work she just exposes some cleavage and bats her eyelashes.

Catty, aren't we. :D

Anyway, I haven't seen any Loivage since Crimson, and certainly not at the workplace. Haven't seen Lois batting her eyelashes either.

chlark fan

12-14-2007, 05:20 AM

I don't literally mean cleavage and eyelashes. How many times have we seen Lois "flirt" to get a story?

Theshadow129x

12-14-2007, 05:24 AM

plenty of times!

freefall

12-14-2007, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
I don't literally mean cleavage and eyelashes. How many times have we seen Lois "flirt" to get a story?

I can recall two instances on this show, when Lois said she was gonna flirt them (she and Clark) up some keys to get into Duncan's room and the cop in Noir.

But then again, that's Lois for you. I see her flirting all the time to get stories in the comics and LnC. Heck, she even flirted with freaking Bruce Wayne with her husband right in the next cubicle just to find out why Bruce was in town. :lol:

chlark fan

12-14-2007, 05:37 AM

Well I didn't say I was a big fan of iconic Lois either...Chloe has much more integrity.

freefall

12-14-2007, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Well I didn't say I was a big fan of iconic Lois either...Chloe has much more integrity.

I understand. There's nothing wrong with liking Chloe much better than the iconic Lois. :)

But if we want to talk about integrity, then IMO Lois does have a lot of integrity even if her personality is not easy to like. Like I've pointed out before, for instance Lois took her job at the DP in good faith. And her personal values and ideals are very much intact in terms of not believing in the end justifying the means. For example, she doesn't agree with Green Arrow's Robin Hood methods, and the only one who shared that opinion with Clark.

Iluvgreen

12-14-2007, 10:27 AM

She got it cuz she's awsome! I'm sure Lex wanted to see if Grant was really dating her still or something.

But it was awsome and she's finally becoming her character. Now is a good time for Clois.

dru-zod2501

12-14-2007, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
I think you're contradicting yourself here. If Lex doesn't think much of her reporting skills, then why keep an eye on her at all?
regardless of what he thinks her skills are I think Lex is very aware of what Lois can do, when she's driven enough; remember what Grant said about her.

Nothing wrong with "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"

freefall

12-14-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by dru-zod2501
regardless of what he thinks her skills are I think Lex is very aware of what Lois can do, when she's driven enough; remember what Grant said about her.

Nothing wrong with "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"

I believe that's the point I had been making earlier as well. Lex now considers Lois as his enemy and a threat, that's why he wants to keep an eye on her.

celita

12-14-2007, 11:35 AM

And I think that he wanted to know if Grant and Lois were still in a relationship too.

eas

12-14-2007, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
I believe that's the point I had been making earlier as well. Lex now considers Lois as his enemy and a threat, that's why he wants to keep an eye on her.

I have to say I agree. And it's very much a Lex Luthor thing to do: "Here's this girl... she has a vendetta against me and thinks she's taking me down. Ha ha... I'm smarter than her, I'm more powerful than her, and I'm going to ruin her by the time this is all done... no one bests Lex Luthor...."

Lex is arrogant. And he always acts on his arrogance. There is probaby something very satisfiying to him about owning the DP -- and, in essence, Lois's career -- when he knows that Lois wants nothing more than bring him down.

And, then, of course, Lois will go out and do exactly that. She'll come out on top, because -- at the end of the day -- this is a story about a superhero & good will triumph over evil.

To me, this is very much a canon Lex/Lois relationship. I'm loving watching it play out.

And - with regards to Chloe's role in this -- Chloe has been out of the "let's bring the Luthors down" group for a long time. Even if Lois hadn't stepped into the ring, this is not a fight that Chloe Sullivan cares about anymore. She hasn't for years. She's got other stuff going on in her life and Lex Luthor's dastardly deeds are waaaayyy at the bottom of her priority list. He kidnapped her and performed experiments... he went after her mother... and, still, Chloe did nothing. Clearly, she has no interest in going after Lex Luthor.

So why on earth would Lex single Chloe out to write a story about him? Especially since she's done nothing of importance the whole at the DP and she's best friends with two people he has issues with? (Clark Kent and LANA LANG -- his ex-wife.) It would be beyond unbelievable if Chloe/Lex were even in the same room together. He has no reason to want to play games with Chloe Sullivan because he knows she's afraid of him and no threat.

Yoshua

12-14-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Why was Lois assigned to write the big expose' on Lex?? Because she's so brilliant as a reporter after two weeks on the job?

It seems like TPTB were trying to really convince us that it had nothing to do with her relationship with Grant and Lex even personally requested her to write it. Why?

Did I miss something?

I mean, Chloe's only had one or two crappy bylines after two and a half years at the Planet and Lois swoops in and lands a massive article?

BIG load of B.S. if you ask me.

Ummm you missed it big time.

Lex REQUESTED lois on it becuase she was still having sex with Julien and Lex wanted her to find out that Grant was his brother in the worst possible way.

It was Lex pulling the strings to get Julien and Lois to split.

chlark fan

12-14-2007, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Yoshua
Ummm you missed it big time.

Lex REQUESTED lois on it becuase she was still having sex with Julien and Lex wanted her to find out that Grant was his brother in the worst possible way.

It was Lex pulling the strings to get Julien and Lois to split.

That's pure conjecture, so maybe you missed it big time. :)

How do we know Lex wanted Lois to find out Julien was his brother? Are we supposed to just guess that? 'Cause I wasn't getting that vibe at all.

I think tptb are trying to suggest, as others have said, that Lex see's Lois as a threat and therefore wants to keep a close eye on her. I think Lex feels threatened by Lois.

What I am trying to say is not that I think the character Lois didn't deserve the story and the character Chloe did....I'm simply aggravated at how tptb have written these two characters lately. After years of hard work why are they suddenly lessening Chloe's skills as a reporter and writing that she's lost her "mojo" and WHY are they shoving "Lois Lane, ace reporter" down our throats? Lois should have to put in her time before she becomes the best and why do they need to weaken Chloe at all?

I'm not talking about what the characters deserve, i'm talking about why the writers have written them to deserve it...if that makes any sense.

tariksam

12-14-2007, 11:31 PM

ClareKent

12-14-2007, 11:52 PM

The last thing that Lex wanted was Lois finding out the truth about Grant, the reason why he requested to keep her in the staff, was to totally control her.

Yoshua

12-15-2007, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by tariksam
.......this doesn't make anysense IMO.....why would Lex want lois know about Julian...if that wa sthe acse why knocked out her???

Seriously...what???

wanted Julien to back off and wanted lois to know julien was his brother. not that he was a clone.

Alexander III

12-15-2007, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
Chloe doesn't seem to mind.

She's happy for her.

Yeah rite! Chloe isn't happy for her, she wants her out of the Daily Planet and out of Smallville!

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Yoshua
wanted Julien to back off and wanted lois to know julien was his brother. not that he was a clone.

We have no idea that this is why Lex wanted Lois to write his expose'.

Originally posted by Alexander III
Yeah rite! Chloe isn't happy for her, she wants her out of the Daily Planet and out of Smallville!

No, that's what I want. :D

Tptb have made Chloe oddly okay with Lois stealing her dreams.

Kal-ed

12-15-2007, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Tptb have made Chloe oddly okay with Lois stealing her dreams.

With all due respect this is outrageous, first of all, Chloe still being stuck in the basement is her fault, had she not droped her work every time Clark steps in to the planet or had a non employee visiting her on a regular basis and uses DP resources AND COMPUTERS to ilegally hack into other computers (which in reality should get her fired or at least warned) maybe, just maybe she would be in the real bullpen by now or at least higher than she is right now.

Secondly STEALING SOMEONE`S DREAM is IMO a ridiculous notion, first of all, cause unless your dreams are to stand in the top of a building antena where only one person fits and it happens to be the only building with an antena, there is pleanty space for people (thousands even millons, as it happen in real life) to share dreams and goals and end up reaching them without having to step over anyone.

Thirdly as of mid season 4 she has put her career in the back burner and has shown a real intrest and dedication (even when NOT asked for) to her sidekick role.

Finaly, saying Lois stole Chloe`s dreams is like saying Brad Pitt stole my dream cause I wanted to be a world reknown sex symbol, famous actor, rich and married to Angelina Jolie way before him :rolleyes: Chloe DOES NOT hold exclusive rights to being a star reporter at the DP and married to Clark Kent, so even if Lois ended up (and she will) with all this things, it wouldnt be stealing, it would be her asuming fully her role as Lois Lane in a Superman universe and well I dont personally belive in destiny but destiny DOES EXIST in the Smallville universe and Lois being a reporter and Clark`s true love is her`s (speculation theories aside).

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
With all due respect this is ridiculous, first of all, Chloe still being stuck in the basement is her fault, had she not droped her work every time Clark steps in to the planet or had a non employee visiting her on a regular basis and uses DP resources AND COMPUTERS to ilegally hack into other computers (which in reality should get her fired or at least warned) maybe, just maybe she would be in the real bullpen by now or at least higher than she is right now.

Secondly STEALING SOMEONE`S DREAM is a ridiculous notion, first of all, cause unless your dreams are to stand in the top of a building antena where only one person fits, there is pleanty space for people to share dreams and goals.

Thirdly as of mid season 4 she has put her career in the back burner and has shown a real intrest and dedication (even when NOT asked for) to her sidekick role.

Finaly, saying Lois stole Chloe`s dreams is like saying Brad Pitt stole my dream cause I wanted to be a world reknown sex symbol, famos actor, rich and married to Angelina Jolie while before him:rolleyes: Chloe DOES NOT hold exclusive rights to being a star reporter at the DP and married to Clark Kent, so even if Lois ended up (and she will) with all this things, it wouldnt be stealing, it would be her asuming fully her role as Lois Lane in a Superman universe and well I dont personally belive in destiny but destiny DOES EXIST in the Smallville universe and Lois being a reporter and Clark`s true love is her`s (speculation theories aside).

Okay, i've said a few times now that I blame the writers not the characters.

Obviously tptb have turned Lois into a tough, bad ass awesome reporter (overnight) and Chloe into a unfocused has-been...I am NOT denying that. My objection is that the writers have DONE this to the characters of Lois and Chloe.

Tptb could turn Lois into a journalistic prodigy and give Chloe brain damage to where she can't even tie her shoes and everyone would say "See Lois is a genius and Chloe's an idiot that's why Lois gets all the good stories"

They can do anything they want with the characters and mold them to whatever they choose. I want to know why they have to take everything away from Chloe and give it to Lois.

freefall

12-15-2007, 01:56 AM

So it's fine to blame the writers when it comes to "dumbing down" Chloe for Lois to shine but not when they dumb down Clark for Chloe to shine. :rolleyes:

IMO Chloe has lost her journalistic mojo way before Lois even became a reporter, way before Grant pointed that out to her. She's at where she is now due to her choices since her priority is to play sidekick to Clark, not being a journalist.

ginnyfan

12-15-2007, 01:56 AM

I think Lois is asking the same thing.

There is a reason why Lex selected Lois. We don't know why yet.

But Lois' desire to dig up dirt on Lex started in Season five and gained real momentum in Season Six after what Lex did to Lex. It's not hard to believe that she'll continue to pursue that. But as far as the editor selecting her to write the expose... we don't know why.

Why not Chloe? Well Lex's Plan B threat worked. Chloe is meteor infected and didn't want to risk ending up in 33.1. I guess... Chloe only has herself to blame for not writing the expose on Lex. I'm not saying her reasons are not good... just that she has some responsibility for how things are coming out. Chloe's made a lot of choices that led to where she is in her Journalism career.

Putting Clark first and putting things on hold to figure out her power are two that come quickly to mind.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
So it's fine to blame the writers when it comes to "dumbing down" Chloe for Lois to shine but not when they dumb down Clark for Chloe to shine. :rolleyes:

I didn't say it was okay for the writers to "dumb down" any character for the sake of another...even though I don't believe they do that w/ Clark and Chloe. I'm just saying maybe they could come up w/ a more creative way to turn Lois into her iconic character.

freefall

12-15-2007, 02:30 AM

You just said earlier you're not a fan of the iconic Lois anyway, so why now you're saying you want the writers to come up with more creative ways to turn Lois into her iconic character? :)

IMO if there's a character that the writers have actually managed to handle the best out of the three legendary characters (Clark, Lex, Lois) it's Lois herself, Lex second, and Clark the least of them all. They've pretty much hit the nail right on the head with everything concerning Lois save for a few things and I've definitely enjoyed how they've handled her journalism arc, tabloids and all. But of course, each to his own.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by seacrystal
You just said earlier you're not a fan of the iconic Lois anyway, so why now you're saying you want the writers to come up with more creative ways to turn Lois into her iconic character? :)

Iconic Lois is inevitable I would just like the writers to segue into it without crapping on Chloe.

Also, i'm not totally anti-Lois I just prefer Chloe. I actually like ED's Lois I just would rather think of her as Lois, Chloe's funny and quirky cousin.

ginnyfan

12-15-2007, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
I didn't say it was okay for the writers to "dumb down" any character for the sake of another...even though I don't believe they do that w/ Clark and Chloe. I'm just saying maybe they could come up w/ a more creative way to turn Lois into her iconic character.

I agree. There are a lot of things that... I've seen done more creatively in fanfic. Lois' development as a journalist is just one of many.

ETA: I don't think Chloe's character is getting "crapped on" though. I mean compared to Clark and Lana... LOL!!!

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by ginnyfan
ETA: I don't think Chloe's character is getting "crapped on" though. I mean compared to Clark and Lana... LOL!!!

I don't see Clark's character crapped on but I have to admit I am happy to see Lana's perfect 'mary jane' persona knocked down this season. Maybe the writers are finally reacting to everyone's annoyance w/ their previous Lana worship.

Maybe Chloe isn't treated TOO badly just yet but we all know that one day she's up for a world of pain when her cousin lands her dream job and dream guy. I just don't know why tptb couldn't have just had different desires and ambitions for Chloe from the beginning.

Kal-ed

12-15-2007, 03:00 AM

I think not only compared to Lana and Clark but in general. I think its some people disagree with Chloe turning out of her Journalist calling and focusing on more "hero bussines"

borednow

12-15-2007, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Maybe Chloe isn't treated TOO badly just yet but we all know that one day she's up for a world of pain when her cousin lands her dream job and dream guy. I just don't know why tptb couldn't have just had different desires and ambitions for Chloe from the beginning.

Clark's original ambition was to be normal, Lex's was to not be like his dad. I don't think any of them are going to get their desires. That seems to be part of the theme of Smallville, you don't get what you want, or when you do it wasn't as great as you thought it would be. Chloe's dream was to work for the DP. Well she's working for the DP! But it doesn't seem to satisfy her the way working at The Torch did. Paranormal investigation has been her love, since she was like ten according to Progeny, and at the DP that work was called Tabloid trash. Chloe seems much happier now when she is working on saving the world stuff with Clark or the Proto Justice League boys. She's had her eyes set on another boy since Clark. Dreams and ambitions change over time. Lex's certainly have as well. Clark's ...

So in the end I don't think Chloe is headed for a huge heartache when Lois gets what Chloe thought she wanted when she was a Freshman in high school. I think Chloe is going to move forward in a direction that will make her happy again... or die... I'd prefer the former myself but the later is possible...

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by borednow
Clark's original ambition was to be normal, Lex's was to not be like his dad. I don't think any of them are going to get their desires. That seems to be part of the theme of Smallville, you don't get what you want, or when you do it wasn't as great as you thought it would be. Chloe's dream was to work for the DP. Well she's working for the DP! But it doesn't seem to satisfy her the way working at The Torch did. Paranormal investigation has been her love, since she was like ten according to Progeny, and at the DP that work was called Tabloid trash. Chloe seems much happier now when she is working on saving the world stuff with Clark or the Proto Justice League boys. She's had her eyes set on another boy since Clark. Dreams and ambitions change over time. Lex's certainly have as well. Clark's ...

So in the end I don't think Chloe is headed for a huge heartache when Lois gets what Chloe thought she wanted when she was a Freshman in high school. I think Chloe is going to move forward in a direction that will make her happy again... or die... I'd prefer the former myself but the later is possible...

Chloe is in love with Clark, they make that very obvious all the time w/ her pained looks of hurt and jealousy whenver Clark pines after Lana.

She also seemed frustrated and upset when Grant gave Lois the same job as Chloe with not nearly the same experience. It seems to me that Chloe is still very much focusing on her dream to be a full fledged Daily Planet reporter. Her dreams and ambitions have not changed at all, tptb are just making sure she doesn't achieve them.

tariksam

12-15-2007, 07:28 AM

I thought Chloe was in love with Jimmy....Did I missed Cure??? or Gemini???

And Chloe according to you then is always jelause?? cause if she is pissed at the DP cause Lois and pissed outside vecause Clana.....she lives then pissed and jelause.

And that's hardly being focusing in being a reporter....if she really is this eason..cause I have only seen her moping

Yes in tptb foult...BAD BAD TPTB!!!!!!

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 07:48 AM

Well it's a fact that Chloe is still in love with Clark, i'm not just guessing. Even Al/Miles have said Chloe still has feelings for Clark....she may also love Jimmy but.....

Do you remember Crimson when RedK Clark teased Chloe about her years of unrequited pining for him and then later Jimmy asked her "Are you telling me that you really wouldn't rather be w/ him if you had the choice"? and Chloe hesitated and looked conflicted before forcing herself to say no?

I didn't say pissed, I said hurt and jealous...and yes the BAD BAD ptb have caused Chloe to live in a perpetual state of hurt/jelousy.

Originally posted by tariksam

Yes in tptb foult...BAD BAD TPTB!!!!!!

If that was sarcasm then....Ummm it would have to be the powers that be's fault considering Chloe is in fact just a fictional character who was created and continuously altered by them (tptb) and has no control over her destiny. :D

tariksam

12-15-2007, 07:50 AM

Oh...sorry this is one of the cases in which Al and Milles words are the holy true...my bad...seriously people have to tell when Al Milles are the bible or fat liers...is getting me confused.

And I think I THINK: "Are you telling me that you really wouldn't rather be w/ him if you had the choice"?

That was last year...Crimson perhpas???

Before Cure??? and obvuioulsy Gemini? Hey Chloe wrote a letter, that means:....Chloe LOOVES Jimmy...or is a prelude for a betreyal

....for us some the Cure letter will be poping up until the day this show ends......

Originally posted by chlark fan
Ummm it would have to be the powers that be's fault considering Chloe is in fact just a fictional character who was created and continuously altered by them (tptb) :D
ehhhhh....that's the point

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by tariksam

Before Cure??? and obvuioulsy Gemini? Hey Chloe wrote a letter, that means:....Chloe LOOVES Jimmy...or is a prelude for a betreyal

....for us some the Cure letter will be poping up until the day this show ends......

I do believe that Chloe probably loves Jimmy but I am also sure that she loves Clark and would still choose him over Jimmy anyday.

Hey it's not just me.

In this Poll (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80459) from the 'Cure' forum: 70% of people voted than when Chloe said "I know there's someone I want to live to see again." to Dr. Knox that she was referring to Clark

do3mire

12-15-2007, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I think Chloe's career as a reporter should've ended once they introduced Lois. This way they could've focussed on Lois and journalism since early S4.....

Or, they should have kept her dead. Then, they could have started again with the story they wanted to tell all along.

Originally posted by Randy G.
I think they're trying to throw "Lois Lane - Super Reporter" on the public way too fast. Had they started this storyline much earlier, and given it some time to grow on us, it wouldn't seemed so forced. They're basing her entire skills as a reporter, on the fact that she's so agressive. Just like a pitbull, latching on to something and not letting go.

Which makes me agree totally with Randy's post.

tariksam

12-15-2007, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
I do believe that Chloe probably loves Jimmy but I am also sure that she loves Clark and would still choose him over Jimmy anyday.

Hey it's not just me.

In this Poll (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80459) from the 'Cure' forum: 70% of people voted than when Chloe said "I know there's someone I want to live to see again." to Dr. Knox that she was referring to Clark

And that's why before that she wrote a letter to Jimmy....

why the surprise??? according to some a letter wrote by Chloe is LAW and its significant.....why this letter would be overlooked??

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by tariksam
And that's why before that she wrote a letter to Jimmy....

why the surprise??? according to some a letter wrote by Chloe is LAW and its significant.....why this letter would be overlooked??

Like I said, twice, I think Chloe does love Jimmy but she loves Clark more..he's just unattainable to her for the time being.

Yoshua

12-15-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
We have no idea that this is why Lex wanted Lois to write his expose'.

go back and watch the scene where Julien is trying to convince Lex that putting Lois on the case is a bad Idea and Lex talks about how Julien is worried about his own secrets coming to light and how in the end Lex always wins.

Yes.... Yes we do know that is what Lex was getting at.

ginnyfan

12-15-2007, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I think not only compared to Lana and Clark but in general. I think its some people disagree with Chloe turning out of her Journalist calling and focusing on more "hero business"

Yeah... this is key. Chloe CHOSE to make being Clark's sidekick her number one priority for two years. I like that it's having repercussions on her career.

Then the meteor freak thing happened and she figuring that out.

I think to even introduce Lois into the equation is an oversimplification. From an objective standpoint, if it wasn't Lois it would be some other journalist who wants to bring down Luthorcorp corruption and who's hands are not tied by keeping Clark's secret.

Those are two really good reasons for Chloe's decline from Journalism. Saving the world and becoming infected by meteors.

I also like that there is still that choice open to Chloe. She could find a new angle and go for the gold again. Chloe's passion was for the odd and unexplainable events. Now that she IS a meteor freak... it makes sense that it would take the wind out of her sails.

I think this is similar to Lana being a Witch or Clark putting on the Red K ring at the end of season 2 except that with Chloe... it's just not as stupid. It did kind of come out of nowhere but it's playing out in a more realistic way.

It doesn't have much to do with Lois really. I guess from a fan camp POV it does, but not from a story POV. Especially if you're a fan who wishes that Chloe were Lois.

Again, we don't know why Lex is making sure Lois has the expose or why he wants to keep her on the DP team. Maybe so that he can keep his enemies close. Like when Claudius wouldn't let Hamlet go away to school. Maybe Lex does see it as a way to shut Chloe down. But I don't know why that would even factor since his Plan B threat seemed to douse Chloe's fire anyway.

I'm excited to see where things go for Chloe; I have been all season. As a Chloe fan, I'm happy to see her have a story of her own that doesn't have to do with Clark at all. I'm glad so see that Chloe's power is beautiful (and not completely wack), I'm happy to see her resolve things with Jimmy (rather than have it drag on).

ETA: I've thought about it and I think Chloe gave Lois all her research for the same reason she gives all her research to Clark with no reward: She loves her.

The editor announced to everyone that Lois was doing the expose. So Chloe was really selfless and made up a bundle of info for Lois based on all her research in the past. Oh... *warm fuzzies*

Now that I think about it... Lex is again underestimating Lois. He sees it as a way to kill two birds with one stone. He really thinks that by volunteering to be interviewed he'll show the world he has nothing to hide and be able to dictate what Lois finds out... the spin of the expose. It will maintain his benevolent image and scratch Lois' expose itch. That's why Lois. IMO.

And... I don't think they are thrusting SuperLois on us. He desire to take down Lex came about honestly at the end of Season 6. It was Julian's idea that she do an expose and she's reluctant and worried because she doesn't feel that she's earned it. When she sticks it to Lex it's because of a disgruntled Clone... It makes sense that the Clone would chose Lois because she's the only one attempting to go against the benevolent Luthor spin that the paper has. I don't know how the clone would know that but... how is he able to infiltrate the DP so thoroughly.

I think Lois did a lot of on and offscreen grunt work in Season 6. She's as skeptical of her "good" fortune as anyone. And is it really good? Lex is attempting to manipulate Lois in some way. Not good. That's not to say that she doesn't have talent or that she couldn't do a good expose. But I don't think it's super Lois at all.

Originally posted by Yoshua
Ummm you missed it big time.

Lex REQUESTED lois on it becuase she was still having sex with Julien and Lex wanted her to find out that Grant was his brother in the worst possible way.

It was Lex pulling the strings to get Julien and Lois to split.

Oh interesting...

Mr.Magic

12-15-2007, 12:31 PM

chantal

12-15-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Yoshua
wanted Julien to back off and wanted lois to know julien was his brother. not that he was a clone.

Lex ordered Grant/Julian not to tell anyone who he was. They had a big fight about that. Why would Lex suddenly want a reporter to know? Especially when everyone in Metropolis (except Grant) knows that Julian could only be 15 years old and therefore Grant couldn't possibly be Julian.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by chantal
Lex ordered Grant/Julian not to tell anyone who he was. They had a big fight about that. Why would Lex suddenly want a reporter to know? Especially when everyone in Metropolis (except Grant) knows that Julian could only be 15 years old and therefore Grant couldn't possibly be Julian.

Yes, exactly! Why are people so certain that Lex wanted to reveal to Lois that Grant is his brother? I didn't get that impression at all.

Originally posted by Yoshua
go back and watch the scene where Julien is trying to convince Lex that putting Lois on the case is a bad Idea and Lex talks about how Julien is worried about his own secrets coming to light and how in the end Lex always wins.

Yes.... Yes we do know that is what Lex was getting at.

No....No WE do not know that is what Lex was getting at.

That was just Lex's over confidence trying to convince Julian that he's not worried about anyone discovering hidden secrets because he always wins.

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ginnyfan, you do make a lot of good points and your thoughts on the subject actually caused me to change my opinion on a few things.

I think you're right that Chloe gave Lois all of her research out of genuine love, but it probably does also bother her to see Lois get ahead so effortlessly. When Grant offered Lois the job you could tell that Chloe seemed hurt and confused but overall she's got a good heart and wants whats best for Lois.

I would just really prefer that Chloe end up w/ more of a legacy than mediocre reporter and superhero sidekick. Especially with her new ability she could do so much, but inevitably I think tptb are just going to use it against her and kill her off.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Why was Lois assigned to write the big expose' on Lex?? Because she's so brilliant as a reporter after two weeks on the job?

It seems like TPTB were trying to really convince us that it had nothing to do with her relationship with Grant and Lex even personally requested her to write it. Why?

Did I miss something?

I mean, Chloe's only had one or two crappy bylines after two and a half years at the Planet and Lois swoops in and lands a massive article?

BIG load of B.S. if you ask me.

Did everyone go to sleep during the episode "Prototype" in Season 6?

Lois declared it her mission to bring down Lex Luthor. She's just continued that even harder now that she's at the Daily Planet. I don't see any 'lightswitch' on any of this for Lois.

Even Grant has tried to cool her jets on Lex but she's steady on her course to get him.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Did everyone go to sleep during the episode "Prototype" in Season 6?

Lois declared it her mission to bring down Lex Luthor. She's just continued that even harder now that she's at the Daily Planet. I don't see any 'lightswitch' on any of this for Lois.

Even Grant has tried to cool her jets on Lex but she's steady on her course to get him.

Why does her vendetta against Lex Luthor qualify her as a legitimate reporter ready to write a big expose'?

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Why does her vendetta against Lex Luthor qualify her as a legitimate reporter ready to write a big expose'?

She had already been a reporter at a Tabloid prior and she's not a full fledge reporter at the Planet yet, she's still in the basement. She's working her way out of the basement something Chloe hasn't managed to do in 3 seasons.

AND her VENDETTA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. How could it not?

She's going to expose him for killing her childhood sweet heart and many other reasons. This is Lois Lane we are talking about.

So again, I don't see where the Light switch is at?

Originally posted by eas

So why on earth would Lex single Chloe out to write a story about him? Especially since she's done nothing of importance the whole at the DP and she's best friends with two people he has issues with? (Clark Kent and LANA LANG -- his ex-wife.) It would be beyond unbelievable if Chloe/Lex were even in the same room together. He has no reason to want to play games with Chloe Sullivan because he knows she's afraid of him and no threat.

Exactly, Chloe's fear factor of the Luthors is very high. When she was trying to talk Lois out of going after Lex, she seemed very frightened by the mere prospect of it.

It's the gumption that Lois has that makes Chloe admire her so much. This is why Lois is her hero and why Lois is a hero to many girls and women in the world. :)

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
She had already been a reporter at a Tabloid prior and she's not a full fledge reporter at the Planet yet, she's still in the basement. She's working her way out of the basement something Chloe hasn't managed to do in 3 seasons.

AND her VENDETTA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. How could it not?

She's going to expose him for killing her childhood sweet heart and many other reasons. This is Lois Lane we are talking about.

So again, I don't see where the Light switch is at?

She may not be a "full fledge" reporter yet, but she was offered an actual article unlike Chloe who has only managed to get a few bylines after 3 years.

Lois' vendetta against Lex is even more of a reason she isn't qualified to write his expose', i'd say she's a little bias.

Just the simple fact that Chloe HAD an envelope full of research on the Luthor's shows who was more prepared and experienced to write the expose'

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
She may not be a "full fledge" reporter yet, but she was offered an actual article unlike Chloe who has only managed to get a few bylines after 3 years.

She was NEVER offered the article. Lois took it upon herself to do the expose. Did you fall asleep during episode where Grant and Lois argue in the Elevator when she said she's going to do the expose. Grant knew she was going to do it regardless.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Lois' vendetta against Lex is even more of a reason she isn't qualified to write his expose', i'd say she's a little bias.

Just the simple fact that Chloe HAD an envelope full of research on the Luthor's shows who was more prepared and experienced to write the expose'

Chloe's purpose is online research. That's all she knows how to do. She's not a field reporter. That's why Lois is so good at Investigative Reporting because she goes out in the field to get the story. Chloe doesn't.

Lois has a natural talent for it where Chloe learned and has a passion for it. This is why Lois will always surpass her cousin.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:22 PM

Like I keep saying, i'm more annoyed by the fact that this is how tptb are writing the stories of Chloe and Lois....the characters can only go where they're sent.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
She was NEVER offered the article. Lois took it upon herself to do the expose. Did you fall asleep during episode where Grant and Lois argue in the Elevator when she said she's going to do the expose. Grant knew she was going to do it regardless.

Chloe's purpose is online research. That's all she knows how to do. She's not a field reporter. That's why Lois is so good at Investigative Reporting because she goes out in the field to get the story. Chloe doesn't.

Lois has a natural talent for it where Chloe learned and has a passion for it. This is why Lois will always surpass her cousin.

Ummm...did you not see Gemini??? Grant told Lois that Lex requested her to write his expose.

Also, Chloe was the editor of her high school newspaper writing hundreds of articles and since season 1 has done tons of investigative reporting...how can you say her purpose is simply online research?

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Like I keep saying, i'm more annoyed by the fact that this is how tptb are writing the stories of Chloe and Lois....the characters can only go where they're sent.

But where is the Lightswitch?

That's what I don't understand is Chlarkers have this habit of bashing Lois for no reason. And absolutely not facts behind them.

Again there is no lightswitch if you pay attention to the show.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Ummm...did you not see Gemini??? Grant told Lois that Lex requested her to write his expose.

That was after the Lexis showdown.

Grant kept trying to warn Lex about Lois and how she comes up with the Holy Grail from pennies.

It wasn't till the end when Lois thought she was fired.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:30 PM

Grant told Lois that Lex requested her to write his expose' at the very beginning of Gemini....before he warned Lex about Lois diving for pennies and coming up with the holy grail.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
But where is the Lightswitch?

That's what I don't understand is Chlarkers have this habit of bashing Lois for no reason. And absolutely not facts behind them.

Again there is no lightswitch if you pay attention to the show.

I don't bash Lois, I bash the writers for giving me no reason to believe Lois has earned her position or status at the Daily Planet. It's like tptb have moved on from their Lana worship to Lois worship now.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Grant told Lois that Lex requested her to write his expose' at the very beginning of Gemini....before he warned Lex about Lois diving for pennies and coming up with the holy grail.

Wrong.

Lois chastises Grant for telling the world that she's doing an Expose on Lex Luthor. This happens within the first few minutes of the episode. Grant says he didn't give her the story, he then clarifies that Lex requested it which is what throws Lois because she was already doing it and didn't understand why Lex asked her to do it.

You are thinking of the ending when Grant tells her Lex wants her to do the expose.

Originally posted by chlark fan
I don't bash Lois, I bash the writers for giving me no reason to believe Lois has earned her position or status at the Daily Planet. It's like tptb have moved on from their Lana worship to Lois worship now.

No, what's worse is that Chloe got into the Daily Planet as a reporter after her disasters previous employment there, backstabbing Clark and handing Kahn a tabloidy story like "Vampires".

Lois got into the Planet for doing a hard nosed expose on the Illegal Fightclub. Which she worked hard to do and was almost killed in the process.

If anyone deserves to be at the Planet it's Lois. Not Chloe.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Wrong.

Lois chastises Grant for telling the world that she's doing an Expose on Lex Luthor. This happens within the first few minutes of the episode. Grant says he didn't give her the story, he then clarifies that Lex requested it which is what throws Lois because she was already doing it and didn't understand why Lex asked her to do it.

You are thinking of the ending when Grant tells her Lex wants her to do the expose.

At the very beginning of Gemini Lois thinks that Grant gave her the expose' and then Grant tells her that it was actually Lex who requested her to write it.

Are we going in circles or is there a point you're making i'm not understanding?

I think we're saying the exact same thing about what hapened in Gemini w/ the expose' and not realizing it.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
At the very beginning of Gemini Lois thinks that Grant gave her the expose and then Grant tells her that it was actually Lex who requested her to write it.

Are we going in circles or is there a point you're making i'm not understanding?

No you are going in circles. I've explained to you that Lois was already working on investigating Lex way before this. No Lightswitch situation that you claim there is.

HELLO she was busted going into his office.

I don't understand why you are thinking this is a lightswitch situation when it's been clearly stated that Lois is going after Lex since Season 6. And again this is LOIS LANE, she always goes after the bad guys threw her reporting. This is nothing new or surprising here.

Unless you aren't paying attention to the show then I can see why you'd think that.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
No you are going in circles. I've explained to you that Lois was already working on investigating Lex way before this. No Lightswitch situation that you claim there is.

HELLO she was busted going into his office.

I don't understand why you are thinking this is a lightswitch situation when it's been clearly stated that Lois is going after Lex since Season 6. And again this is LOIS LANE, she always goes after the bad guys threw her reporting. This is nothing new or surprising here.

Unless you aren't paying attention to the show then I can see why you'd think that.

Okay, get my point please. I don't care that Lois was investigating Lex since season 6...I already know that, because YES I do watch the show. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the writers should have written that Grant or Lex or the Daily Planet would actually authorize her to write AND publish her article on Lex.

She can do whatever she wants in her free time I just don't think the big wigs should give it credence. She is not qualified to write a story FOR the DP

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Okay, get my point please. I don't care that Lois was investigating Lex since season 6...I already know that, because YES I do watch the show. What I am trying to say is that I don't think the writers should have written that Grant or Lex or the Daily Planet would actually authorize her to write AND publish her article on Lex.

But you just said above they gave her the story. NO story was given to her. Lex may have approved it during this episode because he wants to keep an eye on her but again there is no 'lightswitch' theory.

That's the whole point to this thread and your original post. Lois had already been investigating so there's no point to you 'wondering why Lois' because it's been clearly thought out and explained she was doing it regardless.

There was always a natural evolution. This is a Classic Comicbook storyline.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:49 PM

I never claimed a "lightswitch moment" as you say.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
But you just said above they gave her the story. NO story was given to her. Lex may have approved it during this episode because he wants to keep an eye on her but again there is no 'lightswitch' theory.

That's the whole point to this thread and your original post. Lois had already been investigating so there's no point to you 'wondering why Lois' because it's been clearly thought out and explained she was doing it regardless.

There was always a natural evolution. This is a Classic Comicbook storyline.

Let me rephrase then....instead of saying "why was Lois given this story" I will change it to "Why would the Daily Planet print Lois' story (that she wrote on her own)"?

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
I never claimed a "lightswitch moment" as you say.

You certainly did infer. The topic of this thread alone....

Originally posted by chlark fan

Let me rephraze then....instead of saying "why was Lois given this story" I will chance it to "Why would the Daily Planet print Lois' story (that she wrote on her own)"?

Why not? She had done several stories one that really captured her talent as a reporter (ie. the Fight Club) which showed she was a natural reporter. Unlike Chloe who did an expose on Vampires.

Hell even several stories where handed to Chloe by Lois & Clark. I don't understand why you'd even bat an eye at Lois who is really 'working' to become a reporter. Chloe was handed the job and the title with very little to no effort at all. Lois is risking her life and has the passion.

Any other questions?

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 09:55 PM

We have different opinions on the talent levels of Chloe and Lois...We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

IMO, Lois is a newbie who has not developed into a reporter worthy of having her stories printed in a prestigious paper like the Daily Planet.

Chloe has years of valid experience and the genious investigative skills of a qualified, talented reporter. She can handle a computer and investigating a story better than anyone on the show.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
We have different opinions on the talent levels of Chloe and Lois...We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

IMO, Lois is a newbee who has not developed into a reporter worthy of having her stories printed in a prestigious paper like the Daily Planet.

Chloe doesn't have the gumption or really the background to do this type of work. AGain she's a research analyst she's not a reporter. This is what comes naturally to Lois, unlike Chloe who has to be taught to be one.

Lois has the passion, this is something Grant points out when he first hires her. He sees it in her eyes this is also what worries him about Lois doing the Lex expose. He tells Lex she's good, too good at her job.

Chloe is frightened of the Luthors. She doesn't have the backbone to do it.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Chloe has years of valid experience and the genious investigative skills of a qualified, talented reporter. She can handle a computer and investigating a story better than anyone on the show.

That has not been proven since Season 5 when she restarted the Daily Planet. All Chloe does is online research. That is a fact, I'm sorry to tell you but it is. Chloe is NOT in the field. She is not doing any investigating unless it involves Clark.

Lois is the ONLY one doing this style of investigative reporting. This is a simple fact, not an opinion.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 10:15 PM

The investigating Chloe does w/ Clark definitely qualifies as investigative reporting, and she does that in nearly every episode.

Chloe is smart, she's a great hacker, she's good at research AND she does investigative on the field research (who cares if it invovles saving Smallville at the same time).

Lois is by no means a 'Bad' reporter but she's just not on Chloe's level yet. The main reason she gets a story done is by being aggressive and pushy and when that doesn't work she just flirts in order to get her answers.

She should take a page out of Chloe's book and try using her intelligence a little more.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus

Chloe is frightened of the Luthors. She doesn't have the backbone to do it.

Chloe is smart to be scared of the Luthors because she has experienced what they are capable of. Lionel tried to kill Chloe and Lex has threatened to kill her so I think i'll forgive her for not having the "backbone" to expose the skeletons in their closets.

Lois is being naive to think she can take down the Luthors, if she wasn't Lois Lane I would think she is going to get herself killed.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
The investigating Chloe does w/ Clark definitely qualifies as investigative reporting, and she does that in nearly every episode.

Chloe is smart, she's a great hacker, she's good at research AND she does investigative on the field research (who cares if it invovles saving Smallville at the same time).

No, sorry Chloe does not field investigation. She is the Daily Planet's google central. Which is why she's dubbed Chloogle.

Name one episode where she was in the field investigating at the same dangerous level as Lois. She doesn't because Chloe plays by the rules. Something Lois has never done and will never do. She's a reporter and a good reporter always gets the story regardless. Chloe does not do that.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Lois is by no means a 'Bad' reporter but she's just not on Chloe's level yet. The main reason she gets a story done is by being aggressive and pushy and when that doesn't work she just flirts in order to get her answers.

She should take a page out of Chloe's book and try using her intelligence a little more.

Chloe doesn't do any reporting at all which is why she got her ass handed to her by Grant and even Kahn. She's a research analyst that does mostly research for Jimmy, Lois and Clark. Even Jimmy has surpassed Chloe at this stage.

Chloe doesn't have the passion for it anymore and now she sees Lois has a a real natural talent for it, she's losing interest.

Chloe is an excellent hacker but that's really the extent of her skills. Oh that and she knows how to use Spellcheck.

Unfortunately, she has fallen way behind in the reporting field. Lois has leaped far ahead of her. The Lex Luthor story is the classic comicbook story that will bring Lois up to the Big Leagues. She'll definitely be out of the basement quicker than Chloe...

And how long has CHloe been in the basement....?? lol Yeah that's real intelligent reporting there.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Chloe is smart to be scared of the Luthors because she has experienced what they are capable of. Lionel tried to kill Chloe and Lex has threatened to kill her so I think i'll forgive her for not having the "backbone" to expose the skeletons in their closets.

Lois is being naive to think she can take down the Luthors, if she wasn't Lois Lane I would think she is going to get herself killed.

Lois fears no one that's why she's Chloe's hero. SVLois mirrors her iconic self perfectly. She throws caution to the wind and gets what she wants.

Lois has always had a huge backbone since she first entered Smallville. It's what makes her Lois Lane.

C'mon, I don't have to explain to you the classic characterization. No one can compete wtih Lois. :)

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 10:25 PM

If Chloe hasn't been shown lately using her investigative reporting skills that is only the fault of the writers for putting her on the back burner in order to escalate Lois' storyline. We have seen plenty in the past to show how Chloe gets out there on the field and gets it done and we know what she is capable of.

If anything, i'm pissed that the writers have cut Chloe's career off at the pass simply to give Lois time to catch up. Chloe's also had a lot on her plate lately what w/ helping her alien best friend and dealing w/ her meteor infection but it doesn't mean she's lost her mojo.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
If Chloe hasn't been shown lately using her investigative reporting skills that is only the fault of the writers for putting her on the back burner in order to escalate Lois' storyline. We have seen plenty in the past to show how Chloe gets out there on the field and gets it done and we know what she is capable of.

She might have done it in Seasons 1-3 but definitely since season 3 she's been on the backburner. That's why I didn't even understand how she got the job at the Daily Planet.

If anyone is having a 'Lightswitch Moment' its Chloe. Or as they call her lately Chloe-Sue.

Originally posted by chlark fan
If anything, i'm pissed that the writers have cut Chloe's career off at the pass simply to give Lois time to catch up. Chloe's also had a lot on her plate lately what w/ helping her alien best friend and dealing w/ her meteor infection but it doesn't mean she's lost her mojo.

Exactly, her priorities are Clark... Clark and More Clark.

Hopefully, Jimmy will get her priorities straightened but by that time Lois will have long surpassed her and out of the bullpen.

Again Lois already surpassed her now. She's doing a story that will no doubt get her out of the bullpen within a matter of months. Chloe will still be working the basement if even employed at the Planet at all.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Lois fears no one that's why she's Chloe's hero. SVLois mirrors her iconic self perfectly. She throws caution to the wind and gets what she wants.

CLARK is Chloe's hero, not Lois.
I don't find it a particularly good quality that Lois fears no one...it's just stupid not to fear someone like Lex Luthor.

Lois has always had a huge backbone since she first entered Smallville. It's what makes her Lois Lane.

C'mon, I don't have to explain to you the classic characterization. No one can compete wtih Lois. :)

There are alot of characteristics of SV's Lois that I like (fiesty, funny, loves Chloe) but I would rather her just be Lois, Chloe's cool cousin.

I've never been a particular fan of Iconic Lois Lane so I don't agree w/ you that no one can compete w/ her. I think it's no competition and Chloe blows her out of the water.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
CLARK is Chloe's hero, not Lois.
I don't find it a particularly good quality that Lois fears no one...it's just stupid not to fear someone like Lex Luthor.

This is iconic Lois Lane. She's not stupid she has guts and brains. She knows what she's doing, knows how to take care of herself and doesn't need a man to save her.

Lois has never feared Lex and never will. He's just another man to her.

This is why Lexis is sooooooo good in the comics and they are definitely doing it right here in the show.

Originally posted by chlark fan
There are alot of characteristics of SV's Lois that I like (fiesty, funny, loves Chloe) but I would rather her just be Lois, Chloe's cool cousin.

I've never been a particular fan of Iconic Lois Lane so I don't agree w/ you that no one can compete w/ her. I think it's no competition and Chloe blows her out of the water.

Chloe is an original character, she can't even come close to Lois. She has to borrow elements from Lois (ie. Reporting) to have a personality. I mean that's how low on the totem pole she is.

Lois Lane competes with Iconic Super Heroines much less a mousey, weak Mary-Sue like character. lol

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 10:41 PM

For a boring, original character Chloe has a huge fan following; alot of which even believe she is more like iconic Lois Lane than ED's Lois. I don't believe that because like I said, i'm not a big Iconic Lois fan and I think Chloe far surpasses her in every way.

Chloe's tough and strong but also kind and can be assertive without being a b*tch...she also doesn't need to use her looks to get answers....even though she is beautiful, and not mousey.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
For a boring, original character Chloe has a huge fan following; alot of which even believe she is more like iconic Lois Lane than ED's Lois. I don't believe that because like I said, i'm not a big Iconic Lois fan and I think Chloe far surpasses her in every way.

I really never understood that either. I don't think Chloe has many elements of Lois other than reporting and a few other nonsensical things. Definitely not in attitude or personality. Not even the same work ethic.

Chloe can't even keep up with SV Lois much less the comic version.

Originally posted by chlark fan
Chloe's tough and strong but also kind and can be assertive without being a b*tch...she also doesn't need to use her looks to get answers....even though she is beautiful, and not mousey.

Chloe and Tough should never be uttered in the same sentence. Chloe has endured yes but not by strength. She pretty much is defenseless had it not been for Lois or Clark saving her.

Oh since I've already schooled you on this topic there is no point of the thread ;)

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
I really never understood that either. I don't think Chloe has many elements of Lois other than reporting and a few other nonsensical things. Definitely not in attitude or personality. Not even the same work ethic.

Chloe can't even keep up with SV Lois much less the comic version.

Chloe and Tough should never be uttered in the same sentence. Chloe has endured yes but not by strength. She pretty much is defenseless had it not been for Lois or Clark saving her.

Oh since I've already schooled you on this topic there is no point of the thread ;)

That, or you never will convince me of your opinion so there's no point in continuing to try. ;) Like I said, agree to disagree.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
That, or you never will convince me of your opinion so there's no point in continuing to try. ;) Like I said, agree to disagree.

Bib lettuce.

Yeah, no I've already schooled you. Now you know why Lois is the better Reporter and is doing the story :)

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:04 PM

napkin cabbage.

I admire your obsessive need to convince me, but it's not working.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
napkin cabbage.

I admire your obsessive need to convince me, but it's not working.

Difference is that I play with Facts. You don't. ;)

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Difference is that I play with Facts. You don't. ;)

Just because you insist upon something relentlessly does not make it a fact.

I did not say one thing that you can actually prove was not factual.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Just because you insist upon something relentlessly does not make it a fact.

I did not say one thing that you can actually prove was not factual.

Bella, ignore MLV, she's stubborn and thinks her word is law.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:12 PM

MOD EDIT.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:13 PM

Now I know why you are alone MLV.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Now I know why you are alone MLV.

I'm alone??

:confused:

I didn't know that.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Bella, ignore MLV, she's stubborn and thinks her word is law.

Actually, my name is not Bella (but I do have a cat named Bella, weird). Anyway, I see what you mean about her thinking her word is law...pretty funny considering the simplistic opinions she spouts.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Actually, my name is not Bella (but I do have a cat named Bella, weird). Anyway, I see what you mean about her thinking her word is law...pretty funny considering the simplistic opinions she spouts.

Ohhh girl, I wasn't saying Bella as if it was your name, I say Bella as like saying Sweetheart and such... It was an endearment

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Actually, my name is not Bella (but I do have a cat named Bella, weird). Anyway, I see what you mean about her thinking her word is law...pretty funny considering the simplistic opinions she spouts.

Oooh you write Fan fiction..... can't wait to read.... tee hee.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
LOL!!

Where's DMA?

I'd rather debate with someone who has skills and DMA does a better job than you do. ;)

Oh Sweet Ragazza!!!

I just state facts, bellisimma you know that ;)

Care for a picture page again? You know the ones that show Clark repulsed by Chloe?

lol

Facts that the people in your head force you say?

And *ouch*, I don't have debating skills? I'm tired of trying to defend my opinion against someone who rambles the same rhetoric non damn stop.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Ohhh girl, I wasn't saying Bella as if it was your name, I say Bella as like saying Sweetheart and such... It was an endearment

Awww you don't call me Bella..

Instead you call me Troia...

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus

Instead you call me Troia...

I did call you bella a long time ago but then you became a real pain

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Ohhh girl, I wasn't saying Bella as if it was your name, I say Bella as like saying Sweetheart and such... It was an endearment

Well thank you, I appreciate the sentiment.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Well thank you, I appreciate the sentiment.

You are very welcome honey :D

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Oooh you write Fan fiction..... can't wait to read.... tee hee.

So your intimidation has drawn you to do a search on my name, eh. Thanks, I can't wait for your stimulating feedback.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I did call you bella a long time ago but then you became a real Putanna

Mod Edit

:o

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:27 PM

You are kind of a Mod Edit :D

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
You are kind of a Mod Edit :D

Hey I see she was Mode Edit for what she said to you Bella...

Oh and this I agree 100%

theotherJane

12-15-2007, 11:29 PM

Um...did I miss something? Because I thought that the reason Lex ordered Lois to write the expose was in a daring move to prove her wrong and that she has nothing on him, and not because of her reporter status or credentials. Like he told Grant, in the end he "always find(s) a way to win."

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by theotherJane
Um...did I miss something? Because I thought that the reason Lex ordered Lois to write the expose was in a daring move to prove her wrong and that she has nothing on him, and not because of her reporter status or credentials. Like he told Grant, he "always find(s) a way to win."

I actually agree with this

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Hey I see she was Mode Edit for what she said to you Bella...

Oh and this I agree 100%

They should EDIT you for calling me a whore a on a public forum like this.

Since I'm Italian I understand all the filthy things you say to me on the board but obviously this forum is biased.

miks

12-15-2007, 11:33 PM

lois got the story because she's Lois Lane of Smallville. She gets handed anything and everything she wants. No idea what she's doing with her life, oh well let's have a barn door fall out of the sky and BAM she's suddenly interested in journalism. Lois is writing this story because Lex sees no threat in her. Grant warned Lex because he knows if Lois steps out of line, Lex is going to kill her! which by all means go right ahead. Lois is stupid. Plain and simple. She rushes into dangerous situations without thinking ahead. If it weren't for Chloe she would be dead. Yeah you can say Chloe has needed plenty of saving in the past, and you would be right, but so has lois and so has lana. They are girls. In SV, if you're a girl you're in trouble. Chloe has had PASSION for this job since she was 10-11ish (just guessing her age), that we've seen on screen, no telling how long it's been there. Lois has had it for a couple of years.
Lois does go out into the field, you're right, but she also gets her ass in trouble every single time. At least Chloe is smarter than that to know when she needs help. It doesn't matter why you're going into the field, to help a best friend, or just because, you're doing it and that's all that matters.
Chloe is a much better reporter than Lois, not only because she's wanted it all her life, CHLOE has a natural talent for it. She was the editor of her paper in high school, now I bet if this was the other way around and Lois was the editor you'd be singing a different tune.
Lois has absolutely no idea what she's doing; fighting against Lex Luthor will get you killed! She doesn't know that because she's an idiot, even though Chloe has warned her millions of times before
Chloe obviously has been doing her research on the Luthors (i.e. the packet she HANDED lois) we know that Lois has been saying she's going to take the Luthor's down but how!? If Chloe is her "first real source" how is she planning on doing anything except continuing to screw her boss!
speaking of...
Lois got into the planet because Grant wanted her there, and no not because of her big story, because of her big...well you get the picture. We find that to be true the minute they start dating and sleeping together, come on! How stupid is that.
Another thing, Chloe is just a little busy with her whole meteor freak thing and protecting her alien best friend as well, yet she finds time to get info on Lex, and, again, HANDS it to Lois

Lois gets whatever she wants because she's Lois and tptb feel they need to stop making Chloe look soo damn good and have Lois get ahead of her because she's lois that's how its supposed to be :rolleyes:

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:33 PM

I'm reading Through the Haze and OMG!! So much LOL! :D

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Hey I see she was Mode Edit for what she said to you Bella...

Really? For what, the giant LoL?

Originally posted by miks

Lois got into the planet because Grant wanted her there, and no not because of her big story, because of her big...well you get the picture. We find that to be true the minute they start dating and sleeping together, come on! How stupid is that.
Another thing, Chloe is just a little busy with her whole meteor freak thing and protecting her alien best friend as well, yet she finds time to get info on Lex, and, again, HANDS it to Lois

Lois gets whatever she wants because she's Lois and tptb feel they need to stop making Chloe look soo damn good and have Lois get ahead of her because she's lois that's how its supposed to be :rolleyes:

Abolutely correct!!

theotherJane

12-15-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
I actually agree with this

Yeah, 'cause I see you guys debating this back and forth, and really there's nothing to debate.
It was pretty clear that the only reason he wanted her specifically to write the expose is because he knew that she would not back down.
And since he is the great Lex Luthor who always wins in the end, it really wouldn't matter. To me it looked more like a move to get her off his back than anything else.
Like he told her in "Action," when he caught her breaking into his office, reporters have been digging up every inch of his life to find a little dirt and never really found anything, so what makes her so different than others?

Plus, if Chloe continued with her goal of taking Lex down, he probably would have asked her to do the same. But since, she's lately laid of him, he saw no reason in doing that.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
I'm reading Through the Haze and OMG!! So much LOL! :D

Glad you find it so entertaining but I think you're reading it incorectly because there's not a whole lot to LOL at sweety. ;)

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by theotherJane

Plus, if Chloe continued with her goal of taking Lex down, he probably would have asked her to do the same. But since, she's lately laid of him, he saw no reason in doing that.

She fears him and Lionel greatly.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
They should EDIT you for calling me a whore a on a public forum like this.

Since I'm Italian I understand all the filthy things you say to me on the board but obviously this forum is biased.

OMG, at least it was in Italian, I was called a b*tch in public forum by another poster and they have yet to be edited so I agree it is biased.

Also Troia is a female Pig or atleast that's what I meant...

I did like you before, but you just got so cruel over time...

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Glad you find it so entertaining but I think you're reading it incorectly because there's not a whole lot to LOL at sweety. ;)

Oh geezus there's TONs of LOL!

*guffaws*

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by theotherJane
Yeah, 'cause I see you guys debating this back and forth, and really there's nothing to debate.
It was pretty clear that the only reason he wanted her specifically to write the expose is because he knew that she would not back down.
And since he is the great Lex Luthor who always wins in the end, it really wouldn't matter. To me it looked more like a move to get her off his back than anything else.
Like he told her in "Action," when he caught her breaking into his office, reporters have been digging up every inch of his life to find a little dirt and never really found anything, so what makes her so different than others?

Plus, if Chloe continued with her goal of taking Lex down, he probably would have asked her to do the same. But since, she's lately laid of him, he saw no reason in doing that.

Well all I know is, it basically reconned the Lex statment in Blue about Lois. He doesn't see her as a threat. And her death is beign foreshadowed.

MissLadyVenus

12-15-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
OMG, at least it was in Italian, I was called a b*tch in public forum by another poster and they have yet to be edited so I agree it is biased.

Also Troia is a female Pig or atleast that's what I meant...

I did like you before, but you just got so cruel over time...

You shouldn't be swearing in ANY LANGUAGE and I've reported it so a MOD that will do something bout it.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Oh geezus there's TONs of LOL!

*guffaws*

the only laughable thing here is your attempt at a mature, intelligent debate.

aqgalaxy

12-15-2007, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by miks

Chloe is a much better reporter than Lois, not only because she's wanted it all her life, CHLOE has a natural talent for it. She was the editor of her paper in high school, now I bet if this was the other way around and Lois was the editor you'd be singing a different tune.
Lois has absolutely no idea what she's doing; fighting against Lex Luthor will get you killed! She doesn't know that because she's an idiot, even though Chloe has warned her millions of times before
Chloe obviously has been doing her research on the Luthors (i.e. the packet she HANDED lois) we know that Lois has been saying she's going to take the Luthor's down but how!? If Chloe is her "first real source" how is she planning on doing anything except continuing to screw her boss!

Agree...

Also like that paper in Action, Lois hands Chloe back her research in the episode when she wrote "Bomb on you"

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
You shouldn't be swearing in ANY LANGUAGE and I've reported it so a MOD that will do something bout it.

Agreed, but I reported you for being rude to Chlark fan, calling her debating skills not up to par? that's sad...

Originally posted by chlark fan
the only laughable thing here is your attempt at a mature, intelligent debate.

And she questioned your ability?

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Agreed, but I reported you for being rude to Chlark fan, calling her debating skills not up to par? that's sad...

Thanks for having my back

And she questioned your ability?

Apparently she feels you have to be as rude as her to be "up to par"

theotherJane

12-15-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Well all I know is, it basically reconned the Lex statment in Blue about Lois. He doesn't see her as a threat. And her death is beign foreshadowed.

Exactly. He doesn't see her as a threat, he basically doesn't see anyone as a threat.

The whole death being foreshadowed thing, can you explain that?
:confused:

And I do have to say, you guys are being pretty childish with your back to back bickering and snarky comments.

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by theotherJane

And I do have to say, you guys are being pretty childish with your back to back bickering and snarky comments.

Well i'm sorry but you weren't here the whole time and I have to disagree about us being childish. This started out as a healthy debate and turned ugly and I have to defend myself if I have any honor.

theotherJane

12-15-2007, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Well i'm sorry but you weren't here the whole time and I have to disagree about us being childish. This started out as a healthy debate and turned ugly and I have to defend myself if I have any honor.

I was here long enough to know that the thread is getting waaay off topic.
I understand that debates can get pretty heated, but there's no reason to start calling each other names.

miks

12-15-2007, 11:56 PM

i didn't think you were childish at all, I feel the other chick was definitely
she turned it ugly, and you were just defending yourself...nothing wrong there

chlark fan

12-15-2007, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by miks
i didn't think you were childish at all, I feel the other chick was definitely
she turned it ugly, and you were just defending yourself...nothing wrong there

Thanks :D

Sometimes it's necessary to defend yourself.

As far as it getting off topic, that didn't happen until she started insulting my debating skills and insisting she was right.

aqgalaxy

12-16-2007, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by miks
i didn't think you were childish at all, I feel the other chick was definitely
she turned it ugly, and you were just defending yourself...nothing wrong there

Hey I was just defending Chlark fan, cause honestly the other poster wouldn't have stopped and my tolerance for her was very limited. So sorry for backing someone...

chlark fan

12-16-2007, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Hey I was just defending Chlark fan, cause honestly the other poster wouldn't have stopped and my tolerance for her was very limited. So sorry for backing someone...

I assume miks was talking about MLV

I appreciate you defending me.

aqgalaxy

12-16-2007, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by theotherJane

The whole death being foreshadowed thing, can you explain that?
:confused:

The Warrior angle comics have always been a mimic off the Superman/ Smallville Saga. And Action was a Meta episode. A character who was in the comics and died, is going to remain living in the movie. In Smallville it would be a Comic character will be killed off in Smallville.

The Action Chick was murdered by the villain, killed. She was a reporter out to expose him. She says "if I don't expose you someone else will." because she was in over her head with this villian.

In Gemini we see Lois out to expose Lex, she was clearly in over her head thus the foreshadowing her death,

Originally posted by chlark fan

I appreciate you defending me.
You are welcome :D

theotherJane

12-16-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
The Warrior angle comics have always been a mimic off the Superman/ Smallville Saga. And Action was a Meta episode. A character who was in the comics and died, is going to remain living in the movie. In Smallville it would be a Comic character will be killed off in Smallville.

The Action Chick was murdered by the villain, killed. She was a reporter out to expose him. She says "if I don't expose you someone else will." because she was in over her head with this villian.

In Gemini we see Lois out to expose Lex, she was clearly in over her head thus the foreshadowing her death,

You are welcome :D

Aaah...I see. But then again, she died once did she not? And was brought back to life by Chloe.
Of course, that could very well happen again, at which point Clark will spin the earth back on its axis and bring her back to life. ;)

harryandginnyfanatic

12-16-2007, 12:18 AM

And her death is being foreshadowed.

This wouldn't happen to be another famous theory cooked up by the Anti-Mythos Campaigners?

So far they've been wrong about...

1. Lex or Grant being behind the bomb meant to kill Chloe.

2. Grant's being planted at the DP as part of some plan B to make Chloe's life hell.

3. Lois being fired from the DP after Grant leaves.

Not a lot of their hunches or theories have panned out. So I really don't think this latest one has much of a chance either.

Besides, last time I checked, Lois is very much alive in the comics.

MissLadyVenus

12-16-2007, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
This wouldn't happen to be another famous theory cooked up by the Anti-Mythos Campaigners?

So far they've been wrong about...

1. Lex or Grant being behind the bomb meant to kill Chloe.

2. Grant's being planted at the DP as part of some plan B to make Chloe's life hell.

3. Lois being fired from the DP after Grant leaves.

Not a lot of their hunches or theories have panned out. So I really don't think this latest one has much of a chance either.

Besides, last time I checked, Lois is very much alive in the comics.

After they cooked up the whole Jimmy marries Lois story/lies, I've learned to never trust them ;)

ClareKent

12-16-2007, 12:35 AM

I don't think Lois will die in Smallville, I remember AlMiles saying that the only characters that were safe from being killed off, were Clark, Lex and Lois. But they may hinted that it could happen in "Smallville's future".

theotherJane

12-16-2007, 12:36 AM

I'm still holding my breath for Chlois, 'cause come on ya'll, we all know that's coming. ;)

Scribe

12-16-2007, 07:38 AM

Uh who better than to cover his miraculous change of heart than the reporter whose been determined to prove he's still a bad guy.

Its quite a smart move, not only does he get to keep an eye on Lois but he's going to use her to prove he's changed.

tariksam

12-16-2007, 07:45 AM

I loveeee how people keeps saying...ohh Lois death is being foreshoawding(sp?) in Action

Two words Lana.Lang

And another thing: Chloe will died 100 times before Lois or Lana get killed.

Keep grabing by straws...the only thing you'll have with that...its your nails ruined or whatever.

Death foreshoawding lol.....conviniently some forgot who died in Labyrinth...or at the end of "Covenant"

SteveS

12-16-2007, 09:22 AM

I was just laughing at one of the other threads on lois where her part in Gemini was called 'awesome' or 'brilliant.' My how mediocrity has been upgraded. The brilliance of this version of lois? Oh, in dots she puts something like 'Bomb on you' on an envelope, something that any 10 year old might do. Prior to that , Chloe gives lois all her research on the Luthor's (reminded me of lois begging for a bone from Chloe and lifting Chloe's info from the trash).

Lex is just BSing about lois, he knows she is mostly a comic airhead with a loud-mouth that usually gets her cold-cocked repeatedly. Off screen she is stuffing herself on chocolate since she has been rejected for the 3rd time, this time by Grant. Probably she is recounting to herself how she is too good for Grant, just like she did when ClarkMan passed up her free sex offer.

tariksam

12-16-2007, 12:26 PM

Dude seriously if you got nothing to say shut up....or find help...that's not healthy that hatred you have for Lois and for Erica

Alicia Chipy

12-16-2007, 01:53 PM

SteveS,
Didn't your mama ever teach you that:"If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all"?
Critisism can be said constructively.Everything you spew out on ED and Lois is pure vitriol!
In honor of the holyday season, I ask you to write ONE unbiased,non-cynical comment about the actress and her character.
Stop being succh a Grinch !!
PEACE LUV & HARMONY TO ALL!!!!!

A.Chipy (alias Supermom}

SteveS

12-16-2007, 03:38 PM

lois and the actress that plays the part both have super legs.

hanemg

12-16-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Scribe
Uh who better than to cover his miraculous change of heart than the reporter whose been determined to prove he's still a bad guy.

Its quite a smart move, not only does he get to keep an eye on Lois but he's going to use her to prove he's changed.
Not just that, but honestly if you take what Lex said about Lois previously into context (of course you can feel free to ignore canon in favor of personal fantasy, which, after all, does permeate other "theories" here about) then you have to ask yourself. If he truly does feel that her curiosity and tenacity make her a threat then what better way to pull her teeth than assign the story you're afraid she'll right but on your timetable?

By giving Lois the story Lex not only gets to check up on Grant's promises that the relationship has ended, but also gets to set the tempo of the investigation. Lois is on a deadline, he has ready access to her editor to track her progress as well as the information she is gathering, and even has the opportunity to feed her some false leads rather than wait around blind as she finds out things on her own in her own time.

With all due respect to Chloe we have to realize she doesn't really have anything concrete otherwise she would have used it herself. Actually, more to the point if she actually had anything of substance Lex would have already bounced her off the hood of a passing automobile making her into one of any number of nameless victims of random hit and runs.

By assigning Lois the story Lex as is his want gets to do things his way. And frankly unless you want to completely abandon logic if he really saw her as no threat then why would he have yanked the story once he lost his control of Grant? He obviously bought the Daily Planet as his backup plan, which is in keeping with his future M.O., should things start to grow beyond his control. If he thought so little of Lois' abilities then why not let her continue and give him the fluff piece he originally wanted?

kryptonaidxh

12-16-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Why was Lois assigned to write the big expose' on Lex?? Because she's so brilliant as a reporter after two weeks on the job?

.

Yes honey, that´s why, so get over it, we know Lois Lane has always been the female star reporter of the Daily Planet, not Chloe, Lois Lane is the great reporter of the DP since the story was created, and Chloe was just made up 6 years ago for Smallville, Lois has lots of decades existoing as the female simbol of the DP.:D

miks

12-16-2007, 10:32 PM

yes in Lois and Clark and superman...NOT in Smallville

Novak Fan

12-16-2007, 10:40 PM

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Thanks

chlark fan

12-17-2007, 01:24 AM

I really would prefer this thread not be closed so why don't we all stop spouting our opinions like they are cold hard facts and just stick to opinions.

Not to generalize, but for some reason, "alot" of the hard-core Lois fans are really angry that I would even question Lois' skill and qaulification to be a DP reporter in SMALLVILLE.

I for one feel that Lois isn't as experienced or talented as Chloe and i'm angry that i'm supposed to accept that her success is simply due to the fact that she is "Lois". Well I don't care about canon or iconic Lois so I need more of a reason to accept it.

borednow

12-17-2007, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
I for one feel that Lois isn't as experienced or talented as Chloe and i'm angry that i'm supposed to accept that her success is simply due to the fact that she is "Lois". Well I don't care about canon or iconic Lois so I need more of a reason to accept it.
While you may have us Lois fans with Chloe's experience in journalism is greater then Lois'... talent on the other hand. Lois' first article in Smallville got her fans and a "It changed how I view the world!" letter. This was in the show. This is cannon. Her Green Arrow articles got national attention, while writing at a no respect Tabloid her name and picture of Green Arrow was picked up and used all over. Lois went digging for the space ship and scooped the combined efforts of Kara, Clark, and Chloe in finding it. They had super speed and super hearing and super hackz0r skills and she still got there first! The girl has TALENT. She may be a slow typist but she is a good writer.

She's suicidally devoted to chasing after her leads, even before she ever thought to write about them she was always investigating this way, that's what makes her a great journalist, it's an iconic Lois Lane trait, get stories by being stupidly brave and diving into danger. That's why she is successful. That type of attitude is what gets you killed or gets you famous.

Chloe is more sensible. She's less of a hot shot hot head and more of a brainy researcher. There is nothing wrong with that, but you are less likely to succeed by that method just by the fact that Lois' stories will always be more in the thick of it in turns of perspective. Lois' story about the same event would be more exciting to read. Chloe would research the fighting ring, find out about it, watch the movies, dig in find out who the people are, send out her informants. Lois would research the fighting ring, dress up in a cat suit go there and fight one of the guards. Lois has a more visceral story. Chloe may be more experienced, she has been argued to be a more talented writer, smarter, and a nicer more likable person then Lois, I don't necessarily agree but it's arguable, but in the end Lois has her persistence and down right insane way of chasing after stories that has the potential to sky rocket her to fame.

Chloe is also allowing herself to be bogged down by Clark's and her own secrete. She's put other things ahead of her journalism career, biased on her proud smile at Lois getting the interview with Lex, I think maybe she is realizing and accepting that her priorities have changed since she was a child. I think she will always be an investigative paranormal researcher, but she might only moonlight as a reporter rather then living and breathing the smell of news print.

I don't think this episode deserves a "poor Chloe!" plea at all. Other then when she thought she was going to be blown up Chloe was happy a lot in this episode. She was happy for Lois, and indeed helpful. She was happy she got the acceptance, friendship, and I believe proof of love she wanted from Jimmy (You may believe all you want that she would chose Clark if she could but personally do not view it that way, she may always love Clark but that doesn't mean she will always be in love with Clark. I truly believe she has fallen in love with Jimmy, and would chose to be with him). She also got to let go of the weight she was carrying keeping her meteor power all to herself.

So in my opinion we have had more then enough proof that Lois is talented to make her career into the DP believable by Smallville standards of believability. We've been given plenty of evidence as to why this doesn't have to be a zero sum game for Lois and Chloe. Been given plenty of reasons why we don't have to assume that Chloe is going to end up bawling and eating chocolate ice cream at Lois and Clark's wedding and every time Lois gets a journalism award. Chloe can be a founding member of the justice league. She can date other boys. She can have other priorities in her life other then getting front page articles at the DP and still be happy. She can even still be getting front page articles at the DP in the future. There are more reporters in the bull pen then just Lois and Clark. She just has to make the choice that that is what will make her most happy and go for it.

Scribe

12-17-2007, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by borednow
While you may have us Lois fans with Chloe's experience in journalism is greater then Lois'... talent on the other hand. Lois' first article in Smallville got her fans and a "It changed how I view the world!" letter. This was in the show. This is cannon. Her Green Arrow articles got national attention, while writing at a no respect Tabloid her name and picture of Green Arrow was picked up and used all over. Lois went digging for the space ship and scooped the combined efforts of Kara, Clark, and Chloe in finding it. They had super speed and super hearing and super hackz0r skills and she still got there first! The girl has TALENT. She may be a slow typist but she is a good writer.

She's suicidally devoted to chasing after her leads, even before she ever thought to write about them she was always investigating this way, that's what makes her a great journalist, it's an iconic Lois Lane trait, get stories by being stupidly brave and diving into danger. That's why she is successful. That type of attitude is what gets you killed or gets you famous.

Chloe is more sensible. She's less of a hot shot hot head and more of a brainy researcher. There is nothing wrong with that, but you are less likely to succeed by that method just by the fact that Lois' stories will always be more in the thick of it in turns of perspective. Lois' story about the same event would be more exciting to read. Chloe would research the fighting ring, find out about it, watch the movies, dig in find out who the people are, send out her informants. Lois would research the fighting ring, dress up in a cat suit go there and fight one of the guards. Lois has a more visceral story. Chloe may be more experienced, she has been argued to be a more talented writer, smarter, and a nicer more likable person then Lois, I don't necessarily agree but it's arguable, but in the end Lois has her persistence and down right insane way of chasing after stories that has the potential to sky rocket her to fame.

Chloe is also allowing herself to be bogged down by Clark's and her own secrete. She's put other things ahead of her journalism career, biased on her proud smile at Lois getting the interview with Lex, I think maybe she is realizing and accepting that her priorities have changed since she was a child. I think she will always be an investigative paranormal researcher, but she might only moonlight as a reporter rather then living and breathing the smell of news print.

I don't think this episode deserves a "poor Chloe!" plea at all. Other then when she thought she was going to be blown up Chloe was happy a lot in this episode. She was happy for Lois, and indeed helpful. She was happy she got the acceptance, friendship, and I believe proof of love she wanted from Jimmy (You may believe all you want that she would chose Clark if she could but personally do not view it that way, she may always love Clark but that doesn't mean she will always be in love with Clark. I truly believe she has fallen in love with Jimmy, and would chose to be with him). She also got to let go of the weight she was carrying keeping her meteor power all to herself.

So in my opinion we have had more then enough proof that Lois is talented to make her career into the DP believable by Smallville standards of believability. We've been given plenty of evidence as to why this doesn't have to be a zero sum game for Lois and Chloe. Been given plenty of reasons why we don't have to assume that Chloe is going to end up bawling and eating chocolate ice cream at Lois and Clark's wedding and every time Lois gets a journalism award. Chloe can be a founding member of the justice league. She can date other boys. She can have other priorities in her life other then getting front page articles at the DP and still be happy. She can even still be getting front page articles at the DP in the future. There are more reporters in the bull pen then just Lois and Clark. She just has to make the choice that that is what will make her most happy and go for it.

Thank you. Everything I was thinking of, said better.

wrinkles

12-17-2007, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by borednow
While you may have us Lois fans with Chloe's experience in journalism is greater then Lois'... talent on the other hand. <snip> The girl has TALENT. She may be a slow typist but she is a good writer.

I'll say first off that that was a very well laid out and clear argument. Always nice to see between the rants :)

My problem with SV Lois has always been the Mary Sue-ness about how she has been written. I would have enjoyed it a bit more if she had continued to have been a college drop out struggling to find her way with her daddy issues. Her growth over a couple of seasons to the start of her journalism career could have been very interesting and very appealing.

But this isn't the first career path that she has been super awesome at from the start. First she learnt how to manage a coffee shop in no time at all. Then she successfully led the campaign to have J.Kent elected. Then journalism takes her interest and she is writing articles immediately.

I appreciate the brashness and confidence of Lois, but I also find it hard to relate or empathise with a character that apparently shines in whatever career takes her fancy at the time. I think borednow has made a great case to support Lois's success. However even by SV's standards I personally feel that these career jumps are getting a bit hard to swallow.

chlark fan

12-17-2007, 06:24 AM

I might not be as long-winded as some other posters but the "Mary Sue" factor regarding Lois is basically what i've been "ranting" about from my first post.

She is brilliant at everything she does and has men falling at her feet all the time. No matter how accomplished a writer Lois supposedly is now I want Chloe to achieve more because she has tried harder.

I can't believe we're just expected to accept that Lois is terrific by nature and be happy for her!

I empathise w/ Chloe and therefore want to see her obtain success! Plus I know she deserves it!

tariksam

12-17-2007, 06:39 AM

You've got to be kidding me!!! Lois "Mary Sue"???? SERIOUSLY???!!!!

And I thought I've heard it all

chlark fan

12-17-2007, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by tariksam
You've got to be kidding me!!! Lois "Mary Sue"???? SERIOUSLY???!!!!

And I thought I've heard it all

In the sense that she gets whatever she goes after (stories, jobs, men) yeah she a "Mary Sue".

Tptb have moved on from their Lana worship apparently.

tariksam

12-17-2007, 06:46 AM

Omg!!! ahhahahaaha sorry I have to laugh....really but it not surprise to me that part of the famdon think in SUEllivan but some of course ignores it and thins she is the underdog.

I'll leave it in there.

This is so funny!!!! we have Cloogle SUEllivan super hacker I am perfect in everyway and we are calling other caharcaters Mary Sue......

I needed a good laugh in the mornig..my co workers are asking me what's the joke.....

freefall

12-17-2007, 06:48 AM

Lois brilliant at everything? You got to be kidding me. Her nuclear meltdowns in the kitchen come to mind immediately. :lol: But Lois has always been terrific, I agree with you. :D Though sometimes she did manage to piss me off.

As for her being incredibly gorgeous, what's the big deal anyway? Quoting the unfortunate UPS guy in this episode, she's a babe, so what? Do we rag on Clark for his body and his good looks, and call him Gary Stu because girls keep falling for him left and right?

In the sense that she gets whatever she goes after (stories, jobs, men) yeah she a "Mary Sue".

Um, I think you got it all mixed up. :) If a person goes after what he/she wants and gets it, then he/she definitely deserves it.

Scribe

12-17-2007, 06:49 AM

Yeah she does so well with men. And running the campaign for a dark horse farmer with very little funds requires years of experience. And some journalists do get by on little training because its balanced out by instincts, a natural ability to write and a wonderful thing called a copywriter.

Furthermore, Lois didn't start off with a column in the Daily Planet, she started off as a tabloid writer, paying her dues. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Chloe get her first job on Lionel Luthor's back?

freefall

12-17-2007, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Scribe
Furthermore, Lois didn't start off with a column in the Daily Planet, she started off as a tabloid writer, paying her dues. If I'm not mistaken, didn't Chloe get her first job on Lionel Luthor's back?

Thank you.

Betrayed a friend and got a bribed column which she wasn't willing to let go for months. Even had the gall to be mad and be grieved about it when Lionel finally fired her. Oh yeah, real hard work.

wrinkles

12-17-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Scribe
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Chloe get her first job on Lionel Luthor's back?

From my memory Chloe had interns at the Daily Planet that had nothing to do with Lionel. And she was what.... 15 when she took the job from Lionel? Plus the story made it pretty clear that she suffered for that choice. She also got her job at the DP despite the editor having a severe dislike for her.

I also wasn't arguing this as a Chloe vs Lois topic. I like Chloe better as a character, but then I like ED's Lois far better than the movie versions for her ability to be self depricating.

In regards to the Mary Sue aspect, again, it's not about Chloe vs Lois. SV Lois is a martial arts butt kicker with a dead parent who competes with the boys and becomes successful at every career she tries. This isn't dogging the character, she has flaws. But sometimes it feels like her talents become apparent overly quickly and feels more like a rushed plots device (or "give Lois something to do" like Season 5) which is sacrificing character development for the push to have her become cannon Lois. This imbalance is what her very Mary-Sue-ish.

Scribe

12-17-2007, 07:31 AM

Yeah but that's not entirely a fair assertion to. I mean Chloe has some Mary Sue qualities as well. I mean okay, she doesn't do the butt kicking thing but she's a meteor freak with powers, apparently she has the ability to do everything from hack into satellite feeds to decrypting Kryptonian script on her trust laptop.

I don't think Chloe is any less of a character than Lois. In fact, I would be rather thrilled if they just made her a reporter in Gotham City (Chruce fan here :D) but the accusation that Lois is kind of Mary Sue is a little unfair when Chloe exhibits the same qualities herself at SV writer's whims.

DestinyAw8s

12-17-2007, 10:24 AM

Chloe has had this enormous amount of information on Lex for a very long time and has done nothing with it until now. And then she only compiled it into some kind of order for Lois. It's obvious that she has no intention of ever going after the Luthors. So, what is she supposed to do with it? Just keep sitting on it?
Originally posted by ChlarkMe
Lex is toying with Lois. Every boy needs a little fun. Lex reminds me of the kid in Toy Story who liked to torture his toys. I'm sure he knew he was going to buy the DP and the stroy was never going to happen.
Lex is an arrogant SOB, and as Grant said, "you always fail". And he will fail in his assumption of Lois, too.

jimmyolsenblues

12-17-2007, 10:33 AM

I think lois was assigned to do the expose on Lex, because Lex does not believe Lois can do a good job. Hopefully Lex will now respect Lois for getting more information. I am thinking Lois is a better reporter than people give her credit for. I know how she got the job in the first place was on sight, when the writers on purpose set it up so that it appears she got the job on looks. Very disappointing , but that is why the writers do this, so the fans will get emotional. I just wish lois would get more attention from the writers and fans for things other than her looks.

4Clana

12-17-2007, 02:22 PM

I think it's a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Lex never bought the DP before, because he didn't see any real threat in anyone at the DP. Now that Lois is onboard and is getting too close for comfort, Lex sees Lois as a real threat as she is not one to stop digging. His buying the DP is an act of fear. He thinks Lois would succeed in exposing him, if he let Lois leave the DP to go to a competiting media outlet. By having Lois stay at the DP, he thinks he will be able to control what she writes.

Mrs.Bizzaro

12-17-2007, 03:06 PM

I think Lex wanted Lois to do the article cause she's dating his clone brother... that's a no no in Lex's head. He's gotta check this out at least to make sure she's not dating him cause she's on to the cloning thing and oops...she was. Not on her own, but she was on to it. Lois isn't the super reporter but she's not stupid either.

The thing about this Lois is that she's a tough city kid. Ok, I know people are going to argue this...but street smarts account for a lot. Her papers are probably gramatically horrific but she's smart, sharp and has good instincts.

And who ever said good people get what they deserve? Chloe may have more experience at the DP but less deserving people get promoted or passed over by less "deserving" people all the time. How many people in the world get jobs they really shouldn't have gotten???? Hmmmm?? ....i mean look at politicians ;)
Stuff like that happens all the time. Cause it's happening to Chloe doesn't mean it shouldnt happen at all. Chloe's no exception. She got looked over and skipped cause she's not the bells and whistles type of person that commands attention. Lois is loud and brass and makes a lot of noise. You're going to notice her more than Chloe in a crowded room.

chlark fan

12-17-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Bizzaro

And who ever said good people get what they deserve? Chloe may have more experience at the DP but less deserving people get promoted or passed over by less "deserving" people all the time. How many people in the world get jobs they really shouldn't have gotten???? Hmmmm?? ....i mean look at politicians ;)
Stuff like that happens all the time. Cause it's happening to Chloe doesn't mean it shouldnt happen at all. Chloe's no exception. She got looked over and skipped cause she's not the bells and whistles type of person that commands attention. Lois is loud and brass and makes a lot of noise. You're going to notice her more than Chloe in a crowded room.

That's exactly why many people are pulling for Chloe and not Lois....we think Chloe SHOULD get what she deserves.

It's aggravating when the better candidate gets thrown over for another, less qualified person in real life and also in the Smallville universe.

Mrs.Bizzaro

12-17-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by chlark fan
That's exactly why many people are pulling for Chloe and not Lois....we think Chloe SHOULD get what she deserves.

It's aggravating when the better candidate gets thrown over for another, less qualified person in real life and also in the Smallville universe.

well yeah, I would have liked to see Chloe shoot up before Lois too but hey, that's just how this is happening right now.

The thing I want to see is Lois take advantage of this and show everyone up. I want Lois to really kick ass as far as being a journalist goes. Right now, she's there cause her boss has the hots for her and she's hot. I want to see her really show people she can actually do this. I know from personal experience what its like to be judged before given a chance....which is why i'm kinda rooting for Lois. I like chloe and she should totally get props but I'm rooting for lois to turn it out!!:D

harryandginnyfanatic

12-17-2007, 09:23 PM

So Chloe isn't getting ahead because she'd rather play sidekick to Clark than be a real reporter full time.

Cry me a river.

clana4everfan2

12-17-2007, 09:35 PM

I'm a Chloe fan more so than Lois. Granted I understand that Chloe covers for Clark and her stories and journalist articles for the truth have changed since finding out Clark's secret. I don't mean when he told her but the moment she saw what Alicia showed her what Clark could do. Chloe and her wall of weird articles were great. I just don't think Lois deserved her star reporter status right away. Come on ? Early on she Chloe joked and commented at how many words Lois was using her article and her spelling or lack of using spell check.

maryjanewatson

12-17-2007, 09:48 PM

I just hate that Lois has a job at the DP at all. She's a college drop-out with no journalism degree, and she is already getting big stories, or thinks she can go after the big stories and get them printed?

no. thats not how it works in the real world. News papers won't even look at you unless you are going for or have a journalism degree.

kryptonaidxh

12-17-2007, 09:58 PM

:D well honey, Lois Lane already was the female star reporter and the symbol of the Daily Planet decades before Chloe even existed, so get over it., also Grant himself said he was already made the choice of hiring Lois before to meet her, since her article of the hangar and the story of Wes.
Also she has passion, something nobody has in the DP., about the spelling? who cares about that if she has the huge talent and the potential to become the future star reporter we all know, as soon as SV ens nobody´s going to remember Chloe.
Lois is and will be always the star, that´s it:D

hanemg

12-17-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
I just hate that Lois has a job at the DP at all. She's a college drop-out with no journalism degree, and she is already getting big stories, or thinks she can go after the big stories and get them printed?

no. thats not how it works in the real world. News papers won't even look at you unless you are going for or have a journalism degree.
My old college roommate is currently the publisher of a newspaper. Prior to that he was an editor for two different newspapers and the news editor for a third. He got there working his way up from a weekly and into an investigative reporter job at a daily.

Want to hear the punchline now? When we were in college he was studying to be a photographer and he never completed his degree. Prior to the newspaper work he was a salesman and a variety of other "short-lived" occupations.

So yeah, apparently the "real world" works that way too if you have talent.

maryjanewatson

12-17-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by hanemg
My old college roommate is currently the publisher of a newspaper. Prior to that he was an editor for two different newspapers and the news editor for a third. He got there working his way up from a weekly and into an investigative reporter job at a daily.

Want to hear the punchline now? When we were in college he was studying to be a photographer and he never completed his degree. Prior to the newspaper work he was a salesman and a variety of other "short-lived" occupations.

So yeah, apparently the "real world" works that way too if you have talent.
let me rephrase:

Top news papers like the daily planet wouldn't even look at her without a degree.

hanemg

12-17-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
let me rephrase:

Top news papers like the daily planet wouldn't even look at her without a degree.
Didn't Bob Woodward have no experience in reporting AND studied history and literature in college rather than journalism when he was first hired at The Washington Post?

And after that initial job didn't work out didn't he go to work for a lesser newspaper for a year and gain experience until he was re-hired at The Washington Post later on?

Seems to me that Lois' journey isn't exactly unheard of in the annuals of famous journalists.

wrinkles

12-18-2007, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Scribe
Yeah but that's not entirely a fair assertion to. I mean Chloe has some Mary Sue qualities as well. I mean okay, she doesn't do the butt kicking thing but she's a meteor freak with powers, apparently she has the ability to do everything from hack into satellite feeds to decrypting Kryptonian script on her trust laptop.

I don't think Chloe is any less of a character than Lois. In fact, I would be rather thrilled if they just made her a reporter in Gotham City (Chruce fan here :D) but the accusation that Lois is kind of Mary Sue is a little unfair when Chloe exhibits the same qualities herself at SV writer's whims.

I like the Chruce idea too :)

At the beginning of SV, Chloe was totally a Mary Sue. New character - tick. Closely involved with cannon character -tick. Super specially skilled - tick. Tragic parents - tick. I do think though that she has had more opportunity to evolve and show flaws. Relevant to the comparision with Lois, Chloe has had more opportunities for disappointment, especially from her own actions. Chloe has been motivated by envy, greed and other bad things. She's been allowed to be a lot more flawed which helps negate the shining moments that she gets.

Lois, poor girl, gets stuck in comic relief and being action girl. And I agree with the argument that she gets what she wants because she persues it wholeheartedly. That's a good things. But part of what has made SV a good show is the focus on the mental and emotional flaws of the characters. Of course SV also shows it's a fine line between self pity and genuine emotional introspection, but I feel that Lois does hardly any of either outside of dealing with the opposite sex. You can admire the lack of self doubt in all other areas but it can also make it very hard to empathise with her. It's part of the failings of Mary Sue... make someone too hardcore awesome and they can be hard to like.

Which is why I really liked Lois in Gemini. She showed fear for once instead of the usual tough girl routine.

freefall

12-18-2007, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by wrinkles
Of course SV also shows it's a fine line between self pity and genuine emotional introspection, but I feel that Lois does hardly any of either outside of dealing with the opposite sex. You can admire the lack of self doubt in all other areas but it can also make it very hard to empathise with her. It's part of the failings of Mary Sue... make someone too hardcore awesome and they can be hard to like.

Which is why I really liked Lois in Gemini. She showed fear for once instead of the usual tough girl routine.

I can understand where you're coming from, but I think it has more to do with the way we don't get much screentime and focus when it comes to Lois emotionally and her relationship with her family (although Lucy has been a good episode for that). So for me, it's a testament to Erica's acting capability and the writers because they still manage to make me feel invested in Lois' character and feel for her whenever she has an emotional moment, despite her sparse amount of appearances.

IMO Lois have a better impact when it comes to emotional scenes due to the fact that she's one of those characters who aren't easy to like because they can be such b!tches and a*sholes sometimes, who are tough as nails on the outside due to their upbringing or certain experiences. But they're actually a big softy at heart, think of characters like House and Nathan Petrelli.

That's why when Lois is driven to tears and fear (eg Crusade, Commencement, Tomb, Prototype, Justice, Gemini) you know something has really shaken her. She also usually tries to hold back her tears as much as possible even when she's alone, and the only time we've seen her really crying without restraint is when Wes died. That's also why despite her keep picking on Clark, she really cares for him. Like in Kara, you can clearly see just how much she's going to miss him if he's truly gone. Or like the way she keeps complaining about Shelby giving her allergies, but went through the trouble of getting pills just so she can be near him and give him a bath herself. :D

Also, while I think Lois is a terrific character (otherwise I wouldn't have been a fan of hers) but she's definitely hasn't been portrayed as "hardcore awesome" all the time, the Grois relationship for example. She has her own less than stellar moments, just like any other character on this show.

ginnyfan

12-18-2007, 11:28 AM

I agree Seacrystal. From Lois' first moments on the show the writers have interspersed Lois' tough as nails moments with vulnerable and/or bumbling moments. In Crusade/Gone she was definitely someone who could take care of herself... but most of her motivation for those two episodes was her love for Chloe and her sadness over Chloe's death.

In reference to Lois' dealings with the opposite sex, she's a tough shell to crack, but once the guy gets through to her, she's a real softy. With that killer in Fade, she played hard to get but stressed about what outfit to wear. She wanted to look really cute. Same with A.C. but then she was making gaga eyes at him in the Talon. That's part of the fun of Lois. Watching her walls melt away and seeing her vulnerable. That's the fun of Margot's Lois Lane. With Clark she's tough as nails and then with Superman she totally thaws out and is a huge sap. We saw a bit of that in Crimson. :D

Lois is hardcore awesome, but she's also emotionally scarred from her childhood, she had to grow up too fast, she finds it hard to open up and trust people. She's always been more than JUST hardcore awesome all the time. It is refreshing to hear a Chlarker use the word awesome in reference to Lois though. :D

maryjanewatson

12-19-2007, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by hanemg
Didn't Bob Woodward have no experience in reporting AND studied history and literature in college rather than journalism when he was first hired at The Washington Post?

And after that initial job didn't work out didn't he go to work for a lesser newspaper for a year and gain experience until he was re-hired at The Washington Post later on?

Seems to me that Lois' journey isn't exactly unheard of in the annuals of famous journalists. yes, but he, atleast, had a degree of some kind. Lois is a College drop out who never took school seriously and doesn't seem to have any ambition of going back to school. It's not the same.

harryandginnyfanatic

12-19-2007, 03:19 AM

You're talking about her as if she were a real person.

The way that she was written before doesn't matter. She's being written different now.

If they're writing her as a reporter then she's a reporter. That's canon.

borednow

12-19-2007, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
yes, but he, atleast, had a degree of some kind. Lois is a College drop out who never took school seriously and doesn't seem to have any ambition of going back to school. It's not the same. :lol: Talk about changing your argument every five seconds... hanemg made his point. And Chloe doesn't even meet your criteria for being a journalist either as she may be going to classes but she has no degree either. At this point just admit defeat.

SteveS

12-19-2007, 06:14 PM

Chloe has been a journalist for years before lois begged her for a phone after her lightswitch transition. And virtually during all that time, Chloe has been improving her brain through education. lois was playing video games and doing crunches.

kryptonaidxh

12-19-2007, 11:44 PM

:D and Lois has been the symbol and the female star reporter of the Daily Planet many decades before Chloe even existed honey, so get over it.:D
because Lois is going to be the future star and the best female reporter of the DP , and that´s going to happen eventually, Chloe didn´t exist until Smallville, and Lois is world known., as soon as SV ends Chloe is going to be forotten, but Lois Lane always will be known as since many decades ago as the great reporter of the DP, a winner of Pulitzers, and as the soulmate of Clark and also Superman´s.:D

maryjanewatson

12-20-2007, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by borednow
:lol: Talk about changing your argument every five seconds... hanemg made his point. And Chloe doesn't even meet your criteria for being a journalist either as she may be going to classes but she has no degree either. At this point just admit defeat.
but i haven't been defeated. And I haven't changed my argument at all.

the difference with chloe is that she is not being handed big huge articles like lois is. they are supposed to be basement, filler reporters who write the unimportant non-sense articles.

and, atleast chloe is currently attending school with a goal of graduating. Lois, like i said before, has no intention of doing the same.

Originally posted by kryptonaidxh
:D and Lois has been the symbol and the female star reporter of the Daily Planet many decades before Chloe even existed honey, so get over it.:D
because Lois is going to be the future star and the best female reporter of the DP , and that´s going to happen eventually, Chloe didn´t exist until Smallville, and Lois is world known., as soon as SV ends Chloe is going to be forotten, but Lois Lane always will be known as since many decades ago as the great reporter of the DP, a winner of Pulitzers, and as the soulmate of Clark and also Superman´s.:D that may be, but they need to make it realistic if they want people to accept the smallville version. nothing about lois's transition to reporting has been believable. I know it's just a show, but i would like the non-science fiction stuff to be believeable, like getting a job at a place as important as the daily planet.

chlark fan

12-20-2007, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by maryjanewatson

that may be, but they need to make it realistic if they want people to accept the smallville version. nothing about lois's transition to reporting has been believable. I know it's just a show, but i would like the non-science fiction stuff to be believeable, like getting a job at a place as important as the daily planet.

Exactly! This is what i've been saying over and over. Lois fans just keep repeating that it is "canon" so we need to accept it..why do we need to accept it? Make it believabe and THEN we'll accept it.

"That's just the way it is" is not a reason!

Theshadow129x

12-20-2007, 05:50 AM

InLove_with_Chloe

12-20-2007, 06:01 AM

The_Frag_Man

12-20-2007, 07:00 AM

Bunch a comic thumpers up in here.

Theshadow129x

12-20-2007, 07:07 AM

^ its not just that we're comic fans, theres tons of non comic readers that feel the same way too. If you're gonig to tell teh story you need to tell it with accuracy and believability not something over the top expecting it to please a certain crowd. heck if in the next episode they brought back clark and let him just automatically fly do you think we'd like that off the bat? no because we want to see him practice it first before he actually gets it. Lois being the most renowned reporter in the world isnt just for her dumb article one superman its because she really does have a keen eye out for news and they really should have shown that if they were to get her into journalism in season 6 but they didnt do that they just gave her a job and bam shes at the inquisitor then the next season she says she saw a space ship and bam shes in the daily planet and, mind you, without any solid evidence to back her up. its crap! complete crap. then again we're talking about a show that shows the worlds future greatest superhero whining about one chick and bring about the end of the world every year.

chlark fan

12-20-2007, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
I love you.

Thanks ;)

jimmyolsenblues

12-20-2007, 08:34 AM

everyone one is entitled to their opinion, comic reader or not. no one is right and no one is wrong.

DestinyAw8s

12-20-2007, 11:04 AM

Realism? In Smallville? We obviously don't watch the same show. I agree with hanemg, borednow, and others. Their posts are logical and valid to the "real" world, as well as fantasy. I don't think Lois was "handed" anything. I believe that people can achieve whatever they wish through hard work, ingenuity, determination, and atitude. They just have to set their minds on it and really want it. There are prime examples of this, but I won't site them here. They let nothing stand in their way. And I would think that luck plays it's own part in the overall picture, as well. It is, more times than not, instrumental in precipitating a person into beating the odds and reaching the loftier goals. After all, you don't have to be a college graduate to buy a lottery ticket. So, I don't have a problem with Lois Lane being where she is in the DP and climbing even higher in the future. As far as I can tell, she has all of the "real" qualifications right now. And the canon aspect. Well, I was sucked into this show from the beginning because it was "supposed" to depict the backstory of SUPERMAN, not Clark Jones or James Kent. They have already mucked around with Lana until she is almost unrecognizable, and given a tailspin to others that has me wondering exactly who they are. We "canon" folk have endure a lot from the SV wirters, but I will not accept a lesser Lois Lane in any shape or form. I admit it. I'm a hardcore Lois Lane fanatic in all media. And since they just had to bring her on this show, they had damned well better treat her right.

eas

12-20-2007, 04:04 PM

The Krypton Knight

12-20-2007, 09:01 PM

Lois DID break the Green Arrow story (Heck, she even NAMED the guy), so I can at least see her getting a job, if the Daily Planet keeps their eyes out for fresh, new talent. As for the Luthor story - If Lex requested she write it, then that's why she got it. If they gave it to her BEFORE he requested it, as some have suggested, then it probably has to do with the fact the Lois has actually MET and KNOWS Lex Luthor to some extent. He is a billionaire villian, it's doubtful that any of the other reporters at the DP would have any inside knowledge/glimpse into his personal life like Lois does, let alone access to him. Combine that with the fact that Lois has proved to be tenacious when going after a story, and has decent story writing skills, I think there's no question why they gave her the story. And hey, if Lex Luthor gets angry about it, they don't have to fire one of their ace reporters, it's the newbie that gets the axe! Perfect plan.

Of course, peeps are gonna say that Chloe even more experience with the Luthors, so why not give it to her. I don't know, but we all know Chloe wouldn't take it. Maybe they just decided to skip showing her declining the story, cause she's learned her lesson already and is petrified of Lex. (No disrespect to Chloe! After all she's been through, who wouldn't be?)

maryjanewatson

12-21-2007, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Bunch a comic thumpers up in here.
I can honestly say I have never read a superman comic in my life.

freefall

12-21-2007, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by chlark fan
Exactly! This is what i've been saying over and over. Lois fans just keep repeating that it is "canon" so we need to accept it..why do we need to accept it? Make it believabe and THEN we'll accept it.

"That's just the way it is" is not a reason!

While there are definitely Lois fans who simply say "that's just the way it is", there's no need to lump all of them together. I'm a Lois fan, but I don't need to accept and simply go along with certain things about her which I detest on this show. At the same time I'm also perfectly capable of giving my reasons why I enjoy Erica's character on this show.

Lois' entrance into journalism is a lightswitch and the Grois relationship is stupid, but in general I really like how they're handling Lois' development in journalism. I've enjoyed her getting out there in the field and gaining experience through a tabloid paper. She broke the Green Arrow story which gets picked up by other newspapers including the major ones (the DP even had used her GA's sketch in one of their own articles), she actively pursues stories and works on her leads.

Also, she entered the DP legitimately without any favours or illicit deals. Lois has also shown integrity by always trying to provide proof for her stories. It's not her fault if her investigations usually gets directly interfered with and Lois herself getting misled, as well as her proof are being confiscated, destroyed or deliberately kept from her. This has happened quite a number of times on the show, mostly by Chloe herself in order to protect Clark's secret. I don't blame Chloe for that, but it's also unfair to say that Lois is incompetent.

I think one important thing to remember is that not having proof isn't the same as not telling the truth. The audience all know Lois is telling the truth, so I really don't get where is it that some people come from by claiming Lois always make up stories and lies all the time. The story about the spaceship is all true, the audience knows that. She did go through a logical means of obtaining proof, like I've said it's not her fault if her proof gets destroyed.

It reminds me of one of the earliest episodes of LnC, where Clark and Lois discovered a warehouse storing all kinds of alien objects and want to write about it, they found out the proof had been relocated elsewhere. They tried to convince Perry to still run the story, but Perry firmly said no. Not because he didn't believe them, but because the proof is already gone.

eas made a very good point. There are certain of aspects of both Chloe's developments in journalism that are ridiculous in the real world too, so why only Lois is getting held up to this standard on the show? No one can convince me that Chloe had a better telling of being a journalist. She betrayed her friend, got a bribed column out of it, kept it for months until Lionel himself fired her, didn't get her awesome vampire article published but inexplicably got hired back again anyway, after getting fired for a column she didn't even deserve in the first place. :lol: And did I mention it "fell in her lap" and Chloe got the story "handed to her on a silver platter" (another favourite argument against Lois) simply because it happened to her roommate, which happened to be none other than Lana Lang? ;)

Then Chloe sits behind her magic laptop, week in and week out playing Clark's super sidekick instead of reporting. Keep in mind that this is WAY BEFORE Lois herself became a reporter. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for her because Grant told her she's losing her mojo? Lois is the one actively searching out stories and she's receiving the vitriol for "stealing Chloe's dreams" and "usurping Chloe's place at the DP"? Please. :lol:

I was amused when Chloe got on her high horse giving misplaced lectures about "truth in journalism" to Grant and Lois in Kara when she herself had been speculating and writing about aliens, UFOs and Loch Ness monsters for years. Even Principal Kwan fired her for turning the Torch into her personal tabloid and writing articles without proof. Lois got slammed for letting her editor put a spin in her first Inquisitor article ("Global Warming or Alien Invasion?") and yet it's very conveniently forgotten that Chloe herself had put on a spin of her own article's title a few years ago ("Burning Question: Aliens or Arsonists?"). The amusement continued when Chloe accused Grant of trying to bring down the DP because he likes stories about UFOs when she herself has stated in the past that a story about spaceships would be worthy of a front page of the DP.

Also, Chloe has the gall to imply that Lois would still accept the Lex interview if Lois believes that it's simply due to her relationship with Grant. Did Chloe ever given herself a lecture about getting something "fair and square" when she stayed on her bribed column from a deal with a criminal for months? She even had the gall to be mad and grieved when Lionel finally fired her from that ill-gotten job at the DP.

OK rant over.

SacredK

12-21-2007, 07:44 AM

They are pushing the "Super Reporter" thing too quickly. I do think though that Lex chose Lois because he perhaps doesn't realize that she can actually did up facts due to her lack of professional experience.

faz

12-22-2007, 10:02 AM

I don't feel like reading through the previous 13 pages of posts, so if i repeat anything, my bad. I've said before I'm annoyed with the super-reporter Lois that they threw on us, but I think the fact that Lex chose her to write his expose was because he seems to think she won't dig up anything on him that he hasn't troubled himself to bury. And the only reason she managed to find anything was because the big secret in question was literally forced on her, she did nothing to find it herself. This was actually the most believable of the Lois Lane DP reporter story lines of the season. I am constantly amazed by the leaps the show has taken with the character, from last few seasons when I don't think Lois could have broken into her own apartment without Chloe's help to suddenly being able to break into Lex's office at Luthorcorp undetected, although as we've all seen, his security personnel is clearly too inept to halt the most poorly planned break-in. But you'd think, with all that money, Lex would at least have the sufficient technology to keep such an amateur out.

hanemg

12-22-2007, 11:40 AM

I should be used to it by now and beyond shock in such matters, but it simply continually amazes me that "super-reporter" Lois is unbelievable yet "super-reporter, super-hacker, super-linguist, super-super" Chloe is so believable that her fans can't imagine why she doesn't exist in real life.

At least with Lois we've seen some logical progression to her experience. She's been shown to have talent, she starts out at a smaller newspaper getting experience (kind of like the real world), we actually (and here's the kicker) get to see her really investigating rather than staying at home and Googling the secrets of life, the universe and everything, and we see her through effort and motivation trying to improve herself yet she's the one who is unbelievable.

On the other hand Chloe starts out as a freshman as the editor of a high school newspaper that has according to canon been in consistent publication (which presumes an existing staff) for decades prior to her arrival in Smallville, has sources that risk arrest and unemployment to help this "high school kid" get an article in said "school" newspaper, consistently "scoops" the real paper in town, can defeat billion dollar security systems with her laptop, hack into any know database or computer system with her magic computer, cheat her way into the Daily Planet once and still be allowed back again, AND (and next to the magic computer this is rapidly becoming my new favorite) has the linguistic capability to decode the Kryptonian language when a professional linguist like Dr. Walden couldn't and a super-genius like Virgil Swann took decades to do the same thing...yet she is completely believable.

I'll be honest. Even attempting to grasp the logic of this makes me a little nuts.

Oh, and if Lex truly gave Lois the article because he didn't think she could find anything then why yank it and reveal his ace in the hole (ownership of the DP) the moment his inside method of controlling her (Grant) was removed from his control?

LovelyLoisLane

12-22-2007, 08:59 PM

I agree that it's moving along too fast. What makes me mad, as a Lois fan too, is that they seem to be struggling to make sure the audience doesn't think Lois is getting stories because she's playing tonsil hockey with her editor in the maintenance closet. (Though I do have to say that being a comics fan I like the 'closet' reference, since in the future that's where her and Clark sneak a few make-out sessions before starting work . . . I just don't like who she is in there with in SV) So why do it in the first place? They should have never started it to begin with, and the only reason they did was so Lois could have a 'secret' just like everyone else on this show it seems. Pfeh!

One thing though is that they set down in Season Four that Lois could be a reporter if she put her mind to it, Chloe was even pushing her in that direction back then . . . then nothing. No follow-up and all just to keep Lois in Smallville for Clois banter . . . which as it turns out they could have had her become a reporter anyway and do that since they are now (and apparently everyone has a Star Trek transporter in their pocket)

Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE Lexis in any of it's forms but rivalry the most and I LOVE having Lois finally at the Planet . . .but I don't get to see much of what's going on. So when all of a sudden she's getting the "Luthor Exspose" which really they should have called the "Luthor Interview" the way they set it up . . . it's seems like "Whoa! Where did THAT come from"

The show screwed up, realised it, and now are trying to scramble to fix their mistake, but as always they are over-doing it. They have these things they can use, it's all there. In fact one thing that's stayed constant is Lois' inability to just 'let-go' Even since 'Crusade' and her first appearance she was after the truth about her cousin and god help anyone that was in her way . . . even if she 'had to do it alone' It was mentioned in 'Solitude' again. "I don't know how you can do it Chloe . . . if it were 'me' I'd never be able to let it go." Chloe then smiling says "That's how it starts." They have those moments and then don't give us anything. I feel insulted and yet can't help but still root for Lois, though that doesn't make me not want to kick her @ss for the whole 'Lorant' thing. I tried to like it but just . . .euch! I just wish the show would make it a lot less easy for people to attack Lois and thusly easier for me to defend her.