So Peter,Adam and Claire can die

[Jredbird]

So if you watched tonights episode you know how to kill these 3 Characters even thought there invincible you can decapitate them very interesting your thoughts.

[Merfish]

DER!

[Jredbird]

Originally posted by Merfish
DER!


YOURE AN IDIOT

[kent_eh]

Looks like Hiro is planning on testing out that theory.

[Ginx]

very highlander - there can be only one ish lol.

I still wonder if Adam's power is a power or if he's more like Sylar - sorta a different kind of the 'heroes'

[prairiefire]

I posted that In the Theories thread a few days ago. Adam says it himself in episode 7. "Go on, kill me, cut my head off."

[Ginx]

Side note - I wonder if Peter's blood has the same potential as Claire's - or is it only when he's thinking about healing?

[jazzylg]

Well, it'll be harder to kill Peter, with all of his abilities as an early warning system: super hearing, mind reading, not to mention tk, they would be hard pressed to get the jump on him.

[Merfish]

Originally posted by Jredbird
YOURE AN IDIOT

YOU'RE A SALAD

[Who]

How does Adam know he'll die if he looses his head? :confused:

[Another-One]

Originally posted by Who
How does Adam know he'll die if he looses his head? :confused:

It's common sense.

Their power comes from the brain. You sever the head, no blood goes to the brain. The brain dies. You die.

[Matro]

Originally posted by Another-One
It's common sense.

Their power comes from the brain. You sever the head, no blood goes to the brain. The brain dies. You die.

Yeah, he probably found out similarly to how Claire and Peter did.

[FoxHoundito]

Originally posted by Jredbird
So if you watched tonights episode you know how to kill these 3 Characters even thought there invincible you can decapitate them very interesting your thoughts.

Actually you are wrong. It was stated by the writers in BTE that if you decapitate Claire / Peter / Adam, they'll regrow a new body from that head. It would be like regrowing an arm, a leg, etc. (since the power comes from the head.)

What Victoria Pratt wanted to do was really damage Adam's brain. She wanted to blow away his head with the shotgun, therefore destroying his brain and canceling both his life and regenerative power.

By cutting off someone's head the brain stays intact, and that would mean (in this type of powered people) that they could regrow the rest of their body.

EDIT: To add something, Another-one's "common sense" is a little bit damaged. In the instant that the head is separated from the rest of the body (therefore the heart) there'll still be blood running through the head, and that blood will still prove to be regenerative!

The question that raises is: does the healing ability depend from the subject's brain?

Because we've seen it perfectly works on other people who haven't got that or any ability, so it means that once the brain has made the body produce that kind of blood, it works for itself.

Then, if the head can still regrow an entire body, why wouldn't the body regrow a head too? (the blood would still be there)

So I guess the only way for the blood to work is that it needs a brain, even if it is powerless, but yet it needs some interaction with it to be truly regenerative.

[rocana]

Yeah, I agree with this. I think you have to completely blow apart said person's head for them to not come back, which was what that shotgun would have done.

[Barogrei]

Peter would be practically immortal and invincible if he were to invoke D.L.'s power on his head at all times. The part of his brain that actually enables his power is the only part of his body that could not be regenerated, and if he kept that part of his brain on the plane of existence that matter cannot touch, he would truly be impossible to kill. I wonder if he could make D.L.'s power work when he is asleep. Well, even if he couldn't he could still freeze time when he had to take a nap, and then the only person who could defeat him would be Hiro, or any others who came across the ability to manipulate time.

[timbojill]

Originally posted by Barogrei
Peter would be practically immortal and invincible if he were to invoke D.L.'s power on his head at all times. The part of his brain that actually enables his power is the only part of his body that could not be regenerated, and if he kept that part of his brain on the plane of existence that matter cannot touch, he would truly be impossible to kill. I wonder if he could make D.L.'s power work when he is asleep. Well, even if he couldn't he could still freeze time when he had to take a nap, and then the only person who could defeat him would be Hiro, or any others who came across the ability to manipulate time.
That is the most retarded thing I have heard in my life.

[Barogrei]

I do not understand how my previous post would qualify as a stupid post. I was merely explaining how Peter could use multiple powers to make it practically impossible to defeat him. In a thread discussing the actual degree to which the regenerators are killable, I don't think that my post was inappropriate or foolish. Rather, I think that your unsupported response to my post is what seems to be worthy of the insult you gave mine. I would not mind if you mentioned some sort of faulty logic or questioned the merit of my observations by some other criteria. But please, do that at least.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Barogrei
Peter would be practically immortal and invincible if he were to invoke D.L.'s power on his head at all times. The part of his brain that actually enables his power is the only part of his body that could not be regenerated, and if he kept that part of his brain on the plane of existence that matter cannot touch, he would truly be impossible to kill. I wonder if he could make D.L.'s power work when he is asleep. Well, even if he couldn't he could still freeze time when he had to take a nap, and then the only person who could defeat him would be Hiro, or any others who came across the ability to manipulate time. This all depends on how Peter's powers work, which they've never been completely clear about. I always assumed he accessed abilities in a different way from the original power-holders (requiring extra effort, like through emotional stimuli or something). That would make it hard for any abilities to be on all the time for him. I think it would be physically draining as well for DL's power to be on 24/7 either way (even for DL). Finally, if the part of the brain you're talking about is in a different phase from the rest of his body, how will it receive the constant supply of blood/oxygen it needs to work properly/survive? The head/brain and body must be in the same phase to physically exchange materials. As for freezing time or moving through time, etc, I believe this all requires conscious effort, and so can't be maintained while unconscious or sleeping.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by Xanderman
As for freezing time or moving through time, etc, I believe this all requires conscious effort, and so can't be maintained while unconscious or sleeping.

didnt you see the ep were peter was unconscious on the road after he was about to explode, and that he seen himself in the past when he seen angela with charles, it wasnt until HRG woke him up that peter realised what had happened

[FoxHoundito]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
didnt you see the ep were peter was unconscious on the road after he was about to explode, and that he seen himself in the past when he seen angela with charles, it wasnt until HRG woke him up that peter realised what had happened

BUT that wasn't physical time traveling, it was quite different. In both of these situations Peter's mind had drifted to the past/future, but he was still (physically speaking) in the present. The same happened last ep., only that this time Peter wasn't uncounscious.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by FoxHoundito
BUT that wasn't physical time traveling, it was quite different. In both of these situations Peter's mind had drifted to the past/future, but he was still (physically speaking) in the present. The same happened last ep., only that this time Peter wasn't uncounscious.

read again what Xanderman posted, he didnt mention anything about physical or mental timetravel when commenting on unconscious or sleeping use of abilities

[HowardFilms]

Peter did the lightning, super strength, etc. by instinct, not by memory of the person...

I think at some point, as be becomes more powerful, he can use them just as freely as the original, handle attaining more, and handle using multiple powers at once. That seems to be the trend.

[rock122]

Wait...something doesn't make sense. If damage to the head is all that's needed then why was claire able to regernate after that shard went into her head, same with peter. Also...Adam was in that explosion at blackbeared's camp, are you telling me a complete explosion he was chilling in didn't blow up his head too?
Lastly peter, he blew up into a nuclear explosion, once again much more danger for the head than a simple shot gun....it would be ridiculously dumb if an explosion can't ruin the head but a bullet can.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by rock122
Wait...something doesn't make sense. If damage to the head is all that's needed then why was claire able to regernate after that shard went into her head, same with peter. Also...Adam was in that explosion at blackbeared's camp, are you telling me a complete explosion he was chilling in didn't blow up his head too?
Lastly peter, he blew up into a nuclear explosion, once again much more danger for the head than a simple shot gun....it would be ridiculously dumb if an explosion can't ruin the head but a bullet can.


Peter did not "explode", he only released a vast amount of energy that was equal a huge explosion.
He didn't even lose conscience.
He expelled the energy and swooped down and caught Nathan.

[FoxHoundito]

Originally posted by rock122
Wait...something doesn't make sense. If damage to the head is all that's needed then why was claire able to regernate after that shard went into her head, same with peter. Also...Adam was in that explosion at blackbeared's camp, are you telling me a complete explosion he was chilling in didn't blow up his head too?
Lastly peter, he blew up into a nuclear explosion, once again much more danger for the head than a simple shot gun....it would be ridiculously dumb if an explosion can't ruin the head but a bullet can.

Because it seems the whole brain needs to be entirely damaged. What happened to Claire / Peter was that a thin and sharpened object had penetrated into their head/brain, causing a malfuncition of their abilities... but as soon as it was removed, everything started to work normally, so that damaged part got healed.

[pycer]

Originally posted by timbojill
That is the most retarded thing I have heard in my life.

Clearly, you haven't read most your own posts.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
didnt you see the ep were peter was unconscious on the road after he was about to explode, and that he seen himself in the past when he seen angela with charles, it wasnt until HRG woke him up that peter realised what had happened

read again what Xanderman posted, he didnt mention anything about physical or mental timetravel when commenting on unconscious or sleeping use of abilities You're talking about those prophetic dreams Peter has, right? (The power many believe he acquired from his mom?) If you are, the whole basis of that ability is prophecy in dream-like state, so being asleep or whatever is how that power expresses itself and so can't be used as a basis for your argument at all. Most abilities clearly require a conscious effort. I mean DL would have died LONG AGO if he could phase in his sleep, lol. I mean if he phased during a dream or whatever, he could conceivably fall right through his bed and wake up somewhere deep in the Earth's core.:lol: (Or as I've joked, if he fell asleep in the tub, and then phased during a bad dream, wake up afterward to find himself a permanent part of the toilet, and then die. lol...."Micah....whatever you do, DON'T flush....uhhhh" :lol: )

Originally posted by pycer
Clearly, you haven't read most your own posts. Lol right on pycer.

[The Ninth Doctor]

Originally posted by Xanderman
[B]You're talking about those prophetic dreams Peter has, right? (The power many believe he acquired from his mom?) [B]

Kind of off topic (but tangently on topic!): I thought the general consensus was that it was most likely Deavaux, due to their shared dream early vol1 and their conversion in the finale. Though if it was from the sock stealer, that lends credence to my old theory about Uluru's identity...

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by Xanderman
Most abilities clearly require a conscious effort.

your contradicting your own post saying this since if most abilities require a conscious focused effort what about those that dont

how many times have we seen people on this show exhibit abilities they couldnt control

matt

peter

tedd

issac

nikki

they all exhibited there powers without conscious focused effort to begin with, then 2 learnt by themselves: matt and tedd, and 3 required help peter, issac and nikki

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by The Ninth Doctor
Kind of off topic (but tangently on topic!): I thought the general consensus was that it was most likely Deavaux, due to their shared dream early vol1 and their conversion in the finale. Though if it was from the sock stealer, that lends credence to my old theory about Uluru's identity... You mean Simone's father, right? I guess it could be him, yeah. But then what power does Angela have, if any? (I'm not sure who or what the sock stealer or Uluru is though, spoilers?)

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
your contradicting your own post saying this since if most abilities require a conscious focused effort what about those that dont

how many times have we seen people on this show exhibit abilities they couldnt control

matt

peter

tedd

issac

nikki

they all exhibited there powers without conscious focused effort to begin with, then 2 learnt by themselves: matt and tedd, and 3 required help peter, issac and nikki I'm not contradicting myself, you're just being overly picky at my wording, instead of focusing on my meaning. For what you're talking about now, they were all conscious at the time, not asleep. Barogrei's idea was that Peter could somehow maintain phasing in his sleep, or keep time frozen -- which is what I was specifically responding to at the time. That's quite different from people accidentally stumbling onto or losing control of abilities while they're awake.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by Xanderman
I'm not contradicting myself, you're just being overly picky at my wording, instead of focusing on my meaning. For what you're talking about now, they were all conscious at the time, not asleep. Barogrei's idea was that Peter could somehow maintain phasing in his sleep, or keep time frozen -- which is what I was specifically responding to at the time. That's quite different from people accidentally stumbling onto or losing control of abilities while they're awake.

your meaning being that you believe the characters on the show require conscious effort to use there powers

alot of the powers on the show require conscious focused effort to use them but for those that dont we have the prophetic dreams peter was clearly shown not to know what was happening to him, he even asked charles how they were able to chat and charles simply said along the lines of "does it matter"

and the sleeping-nightmares

didnt matt trap his dad in his own nightmare matt who was asleep next to molly yet he trapped a man who had years of experience over his son in using the powers they both shared? heck maury didnt even know how he managed to find himself in the nightmare with matt and molly, and even when we see maury on the hospital floor he was asleep trapped in his own mind by his own power and fear

and last the personality-swap

nikki herself wasnt aware of what was happening to her it was jess/pheonix that was controlling nikkis body so again nikki was unconscious

[Xanderman]

You're taking what I said out of context. I was specifically referring to certain abilities, clearly in reference to Barogrei's post. Powers that are supposed to manifest in dreams/the mind/etc are different. Certain powers or actions, such as phasing/freezing time, clearly require conscious effort to activate/sustain -- again in specific response to Barogrei's post. You're talking about something different, focusing needlessly on a single comment made that you completely missed the intended meaning of apparently.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

ok i misinterpetted your post the thing though about peters chat with charles wasnt a prophetic-dream from what you said as prophecy means fortelling the future without physcially being there

and both of which peter didnt do with charles, charles not only seen peter but spoke to him, and if peter went into the past its not the future so these cancel out the idea of a prophecy

[Xanderman]

Peter had dreams about the future before, complete with imagery and symbolism (of him blowing up and all). But you're talking about something different it seems (you sure jump around a lot from one idea to the next man, lol). I can't remember a lot about that Peter/Charles stuff, what episode did it happen again?

[STFanatic]

It was in Season 1 "How to stop an exploding man".

[Xanderman]

Thanks Steve. I just re-watched the scene.

Peter: Is this a dream? Am I time travelling? Are you doing this?

Charles: Doesn't really matter what it is, does it?

Well clearly it matters to us.:lol: Man, Charles gave Peter a total Matrix speech in this scene...:lol: (Charles=Oracle, Peter=Neo, heh) This scene doesn't cancel out the idea of Peter having a prophecy power though (not sure why you thought it would Ian), as he demonstrated that with his bomb/exploding dreams. This was clearly intended to be something different.

[STFanatic]

After looking it up, I watched the whole episode, now I am rewatching all of season 2 again.

I love my Computer TV card :D

[Superboy2]

So how did Peter stay dead from the glass in his brain from his second fight with Sylar in season 1?

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Superboy2
So how did Peter stay dead from the glass in his brain from his second fight with Sylar in season 1? The shard in his head killed him, but the damaged area couldn't heal while the shard was in the way. Blood still in Peter (regenerative blood) kept him "preserved" if you will (his eyes showed him to be in a unique state, similar to what they did with Claire previously), until the shard was removed so that the area could then be repaired and life then restored.

This also proved that Peter produces regen blood constantly, just like the original power holder (Claire), unlike what I previously believed. (So Pycer, if you're reading this, you were right buddy, lol. Claire's presence wasn't necessary to trigger healing. My apologies.:lol: ). They've made Peter way too powerful, I would have preferred they kept him more limited, like having to activate powers in some way or something additional to what the original power-holder has to do, but apparently that's not the case, or no longer the case. He has developed/grown more powerful with time apparently, as Matt has.

[pycer]

Lol, your funny Xander...

And to clarify, I do think some sort of limitation should have been on placed on him. Maybe something akin to Mimic from the comics who can only hold a certain number of powers at any given time. he wants to copy a new one, one of the old ones goes away.

[Superboy2]

Can Mimic choose which power he wants 2 go away when he acquires a new one?

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by pycer
And to clarify, I do think some sort of limitation should have been on placed on him. Maybe something akin to Mimic from the comics who can only hold a certain number of powers at any given time. he wants to copy a new one, one of the old ones goes away. This reminds me of that time on Married With Children when Kelly filled her brain to its capacity and so anything more she learned replaced something else stored in her brain (like the knowledge of how to open a door). :lol:

Personally I liked what they did early on, where Peter could only mimic the power(s) of heroes nearby. It would have been awesome if they stuck with that, but instead they decided to go the Neo (Matrix) route with him making him an unstoppable badass. heh