Grant/Julian's purpose

[xrayvision]

I don't read spoilers, but I'm certain that Grant's (or "Julian's") purpose will be to take the blame for Lionel's murder after Lex kills him. Whether or not he's really Julian, I think that's what will happen.

What do you think?

[KryptonStones]

I pretty much agree with that whole scenario.....but I've..lowered my expectations on the writing of Smallville......so I can be ready to accept another ridiculous plot twist that might, and has a good chance, of occurring.

[thehenry89]

IDK. I'm hoping lionel doesn't die, but with the way things are going, and the bullet to resident frequency in SV he'll be gone by the end of the season.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by thehenry89
IDK. I'm hoping lionel doesn't die, but with the way things are going, and the bullet to resident frequency in SV he'll be gone by the end of the season.

The one thing that bothers me with Lionel is that he was basically in one scene in each of the past two episodes. It's kind of a waste of an appearance, IMO.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by myankskent
The one thing that bothers me with Lionel is that he was basically in one scene in each of the past two episodes. It's kind of a waste of an appearance, IMO.

exactly, and just out of curiosity how long does it take to knit bones that were basically crushed to powder by a steel animal trap? cuz lionel's hands were looking pretty normal to me.

[warriorrenegade]

Seems to be an overly elaborate plan to frame someone for killing Lionel.

[paolinki25]

Yeah, I doubt it. If Grant is killed soon, then I don't see how Lex would use him to be able to kill Lionel, and I believe it's too soon to kill Pa Luthor.

[xrayvision]

With this strike, I have no idea what will happen. If episode 15 is the end, then they may kill him off in that episode. Otherwise, if there is an 8th season, we know Michael Rosenbaum won't be in it. It would suck if Lionel will also not be in it due to him getting killed.

[svtwamedfan05]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't read spoilers, but I'm certain that Grant's (or "Julian's") purpose will be to take the blame for Lionel's murder after Lex kills him. Whether or not he's really Julian, I think that's what will happen.

What do you think?

Now I can agree with that

[love_smallville]

Originally posted by xrayvision
With this strike, I have no idea what will happen. If episode 15 is the end, then they may kill him off in that episode. Otherwise, if there is an 8th season, we know Michael Rosenbaum won't be in it. It would suck if Lionel will also not be in it due to him getting killed.

If it does end they can be like the Sopranos-call it season 7 part 1 and season 7 part 2-that way Rosenbaum stays...maybe it's based on the # of epi's in a season and not just the season itself?? Who knows..

[xrayvision]

I think it's very possible that Grant is a Julian clone with some hidden agenda that will be to hurt Lex and Lionel will kill him for it but without Lex knowing about the hidden agenda. Right now, Lex finally has someone who he thinks will love him unconditionally. If that's taken away from him, even for his own good, he will lose it and Lionel will be history.

Originally posted by love_smallville
If it does end they can be like the Sopranos-call it season 7 part 1 and season 7 part 2-that way Rosenbaum stays...maybe it's based on the # of epi's in a season and not just the season itself?? Who knows..

You know, if they can't finish the season, this would be a great idea. They could have a short season 7 and then wait a year (or 6 months) and have a full season 8.

[jaya137]

Does Lex really want his father dead? It seems to me Lex would be happier with finally winning this twisted game they've been playing of trying to best each other in business/life, that lex really wants to discredit him for everything he's done in his life and until the end of time...I'm better than you, mwa haha, and everyone knows.

[xrayvision]

I think Lex was glad to see Lionel alive in Action when he came looking for him. He may try to bring his family together very carefully, but if this happens, he will definitely fail. Maybe even due to reasons that are not even his fault (like Grant/Julian having an agenda to hurt Lex causing Lionel to kill him for Lex's protection and Lex not believing Lionel and killing him instead).

[Crispin Glover]

It would be cool but I voted no.

[flying_girl]

i dont think grant is julian. we saw from lex's memories that his mother killed julian. julian was for sure dead but i think lex convinced grant that he is julian. thats the reason lex doesnt want grant to talk to lional cuz he'll prove that grants not julian.

[xrayvision]

So if Grant is not Julian or a Julian clone, do you think Lex is hiding Julian's real birthday from Grant?

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by xrayvision
So if Grant is not Julian or a Julian clone, do you think Lex is hiding Julian's real birthday from Grant?

If Lex had kept Grant locked up somewhere, and was able to control any and all information he had access to, I could totally buy it. But Grant is out in the real world, working at a newspaper office. He has access to the Internet. He has access to old DP articles. When Julian was born and when he died has never been a secret. In fact, I bet the death of Lionel Luthor's infant son made the front page of the DP.

Under the circumstances, I just can't imagine how Lex could fool Grant about Julian's date of birth. In fact, I can't imagine Lex would even think he could fool Grant about that.

[warriorrenegade]

Thats why I don't believe Grant is Julian. This is somehow a ruse to manipulate Lionel. Grant is just playing is part. Why? For money, power, greed, hate who knows. It just better pan out and have an impact as the original Lex/Julian/Lionel story had.

[All about Clark]

I'm actually quite confused on why Lex would either find someone to be Julian or cloned him in some way. I agree that it could be some sort of manipulation tactic on Lionel but to what end. And it does make sense to have a Julian around to be a fall guy for Lionel's death, but I just don't see Lionel in Lex's way enough. Also Lex asked for Lionel to finally be out of his life in Phantom, but then the next scene they are together, Lex's is rescuing his father and said he didn't give up on him. And other than Lionel's death what other reason would there be a need for Julian? It seems like Lex pretty much has as much control over Luthorcorp as he wants. And even though Lex has mentioned about Lionel caring more for Clark then himself, he doesn't seem angry enough for murder.

[MozartRequiem]

All of you have intriguing theories...
I'm not sure if this one has been thought of or not yet, but here's mine:

perhaps Julian IS in fact a clone, but is not a clone to serve Lex's evil purposes. Perhaps it's a twisted purpose, but a well-intentioned one nonetheless. Here's what I think-Lex, having now messed around with all sorts of cloning and weird science, found a way to clone his dead brother and make him whatever age he wanted (so he chose to make him just old enough to not arise suspicion). He now has been telling Grant/Julian this elaborate lie about Lionel so that Grant/Julian will not know the truth (that he is a clone), because Lex thinks the truth would only hurt him and make him feel alienated from the world.

Now what is the purpose? Well, Lex is trying to reform, right? So wouldn't it make perfect sense for this to be HIS VERSION of reforming? He's not hurting anyone (except possibly Grant/Julian by lying to him, but he justifies that as trying to protect him), and he thinks he can play God and help raise the dead, help mankind. He could be using some of Lionel's serums from season three with new improvements (now Lex has found a way for the bodies of the risen dead to NOT deteriorate while their minds retain consciousness).

Grant/Julian, in this case, would be two things for Lex: 1.) A chance to help the world through what he knows-his science, and 2.) A chance to start over with the past, to rekindle what he wanted to have with his brother, and to try and build the same bond he once had with Clark only now with Grant/Julian (you notice how they were playing pool like the old times w/Lex and Clark?)

And then, here would be the ultimate thing for Lex: Grant/Julian could die, thus spiraling Lex, for the FINAL time, down his path of darkness.

The lesson he SHOULD learn: not to mess with resurrecting the dead. The lesson he DOES learn: "I could've made the clone more successful had I stopped at nothing, and I mean NOTHING, to ensure its survival. Because I was afraid, because I didn't want to hurt people in the process, it ended up costing Julian his life...again. I realize now that the ends DO justify the means. They would've. And they WILL. After all, if I don't do whatever it takes to protect the world, who else will?"

Those are my thoughts. Maybe too intricate, but I hope that's the way the storyline goes down. That way, the Grant/Julian thing is not just a shock plotline (because I hate when plotlines are just there for shock value and not character development), and it would help show us Lex's humanity, but his twisted values in spite of that humanity.

[All about Clark]

Interesting point, I can see the "nobody loves me, I just lost Lana and need a replacement" angle. And needing to keep it from Lionel because he would set things straight. Lex would have someone to play with/manipulate, but there still needs to be more IMO.

However I can see this going bad and being the final nail in the coffin between Lex and Lionel and Lex going off the deep end when he loses Julian.

[MozartRequiem]

All about Clark,

Thanks. And I agree with you too, that this could definitely be the final nail in the coffin for Lex and Lionel, and make Lex finally go off the deep end for good.

[xrayvision]

MozartRequiem,

That was a very intelligent post. I completely agree. The only thing they can't really explain is the real Julian's birthday. But I think the way they will do that is to just ignore it.

I definitely think that Julian is Lex's last chance. He wanted his brother back after Lana left him and knows his brother would love him unconditionally. And like you said, this is Lex's screwed up way of trying to make himself happy. And I agree to the reaction you say he will have and the real lesson he will learn (versus the one he should learn).

[MozartRequiem]

"That was a very intelligent post. I completely agree. The only thing they can't really explain is the real Julian's birthday. But I think the way they will do that is to just ignore it."

Thanks, xrayvision. I appreciate that. :) Yeah, and that's a good question, how Lex would explain the birthday thing to him. Perhaps he would just lie about it and give him a fake birth certificate?

"And I agree to the reaction you say he will have and the real lesson he will learn (versus the one he should learn)."

Yeah, I think that's what makes Lex such a three-dimensional character in "Smallville". We can almost see, from some twisted point of view, how he could sometimes think the way he does, but we can also clearly see the right path that is right in front of him, but because he's taken the dark path so long, it's hard to escape. In this aspect, he's very much like a Shakespearean tragic hero or a film noir antihero. I definitely hope the Julian thing really brings out that tragic aspect one final time before his descent, because that, I think, is the main reason TPTB are doing this whole "redemption" angle, because they want us to feel for Lex one last time before the final step.

[Serynarpc]

This was the best set up plot twist ever. Personally, I think Lex was hiding his little brother to protect him from the upbringing Lionel had on him.

Bringing him to Metropolis sounds like 'plan time'. Best place to hide someone? L.A. Not Metropolis.

Seriously, what is this secret plan? And why is it theres no more pressing concerns with it than who he's boinking? First thing he says in the start of the not so clandestine meeting is 'Great news, I buried that news story!' or 'Yeah, I used my contacts to find X!'

Not lying about his affair.

Although about concern about Lionel's death and Michael's departure- what if Grant is becoming our next Bad Boy?

Someone needs to have Daddy issues with Lionel in Season 8.

[litew8]

I'm not sure. Julian said to Lex something about nobody knowing what they are doing. They are up to something. Maybe Lex wants Julian to fabricate some stories or something, which is why he (Lex) doesn't want him (Julian) to get close with Lois Lane. That brings up another question. Why doesn't Lex want Julian to get close with Lois Lane. She isn't even a star reporter or anything. What concern does Lex have with Lois Lane? The only thing Lois has ever really done was break into Lex's office. Is that enough for Lex to be concerned with her revealing whatever it is him (Lex) and Julian are planning? Not substantial enough in my book.

[xrayvision]

Lex knows about Lois' curiosity and about her article on the fight club at Hangar 44 at Fort Ryan. Grant even held the article up. That's reason enough to know that he should keep distance from her.

[M0RGAN]

I'm hoping this isn't the case. I'm still of the opinion that Lionel already knows about Julian. That whole telephone conversation in Wrath when Julian is saying "don't worry sir it has been taken care of. I give you my word" points to it not being Lex. For one, why would Julian call his own brother "sir" & why would he be deleting the files from the hard drive if they belonged to Lex? Why would he not simply just give it back to Lex since the research was so important to Lex?

Of course, we are due for another shooting this season.....

[umm]

To make us see how Lois has no back bone! I am sorry, I am trying really hard to like that woman, but she isn't making it easy! Having a secret relationship with her editor, her boss, risking her job, which she based on her inexpirience and bad spelling shouldn't have gotten in the first place! What's the matter with her?

[Serynarpc]

Morgan- thats a good point. Still, only frugal and cold families call their fathers 'sir'. However, GG is still undercover at the office.

Perhaps he's trying to act as though he's communicating with a higher up in the Journalism career track to cover to communicating with his family.

"Its taken care of, Lex" would certainly have repercussions if its overheard. At least where Lois is concerned.

I'm just theorizing.

[simaozinho200]

to get at chole so that he can help lex discover the mystery that is clark kent what else

[M0RGAN]

Originally posted by Serynarpc
Morgan- thats a good point. Still, only frugal and cold families call their fathers 'sir'. However, GG is still undercover at the office.

Perhaps he's trying to act as though he's communicating with a higher up in the Journalism career track to cover to communicating with his family.

"Its taken care of, Lex" would certainly have repercussions if its overheard. At least where Lois is concerned.

I'm just theorizing. I live in the south and I have heard children call their fathers "sir" as a show of respect. (I don't understand it myself being a northerner, but that's just me.)

[LKent113]

That would be interesting. I don't want to see Grant/Julian gone quick though, he is a good addition I think

[M0RGAN]

Originally posted by LKent113
That would be interesting. I don't want to see Grant/Julian gone quick though, he is a good addition I think It would be interesting to see who discovers he is Julian Luther first.

[StrangeVisitor1979]

I don't think his purpose has anything to do with Lionel. I think Lex wants to destroy Chloe's credibility, and what better way to establish a starting point than to hinder her ability to publish stories than an editor who feels she's lost the fire?

[xrayvision]

^^Damn. That's a great point. Look what's happened to Chloe since he showed up. Though, he has been motivating her, so in some way, it may be worse for Lex. We know Chloe somehow got her hands on files of Belle Reve patients from the first few episodes of the season.

[Dri-Sa]

no his purpose is to make out with Lois,
then when the time is right eat her.

Then eat everyone else on the show except for SHelby who he will chose to repopulate the planet with.

Actually it almost sounds like a possibility from Gough and Millar

[President_Luthor]

Let's hope he's not just ... another ... meteor-infected freak.

I can live with the possibility that he's a clone destined to become a patsy for something Lex will do in the future. He'll break Lois' heart when/if he dies and or disappears forever and drive her to take on all things Luthor in her career.

And if he is an actual DNA-verified Luthor, well that's no insulation from disappearances: on SV, a fate worse than death. Just ask Lucas Luthor. :lol:

[chantal]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I don't read spoilers, but I'm certain that Grant's (or "Julian's") purpose will be to take the blame for Lionel's murder after Lex kills him. Whether or not he's really Julian, I think that's what will happen.

What do you think?

I don't get the connection. Since the authorities will know that Grant isn't Julian, why would they think he would kill Lionel? Unless you mean that the fact that Grant might really believe that he is Julian gives him a motive for killing Lionel? Criminal justice in Luthorville is very odd, but I don't think that they would have much of a case, motive-wise, against Grant.

With all the psycho killers running around, I don't think Lex would need to create an obviously fake brother to kill Lionel. If he wanted to frame someone, he could use Lucas. Or just plant some Belle Reve loony at the scene of the crime.

Or he could frame Lana! And get a subpoena for Clark to testify that Lionel told him that Lana was the one who kidnapped him.

[All about Clark]

Lex has already begun pitting Julian and Lionel against each other in his remarks to Julian so I have to agree this could be about getting rid of Lionel, I mean he's already stated "I want you out of my life" to Lionel (Phantom) and Lionel basically said "I think not". And Lex does believe Lionel is working against him even though Luthorcorp doesn't seem to be the issue. Plus Lionel's care of Clark has probably got Lex nuts. So I think all of this is to rid Lionel and have his hands clean of it.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by chantal
I don't get the connection. Since the authorities will know that Grant isn't Julian, why would they think he would kill Lionel? Unless you mean that the fact that Grant might really believe that he is Julian gives him a motive for killing Lionel? Criminal justice in Luthorville is very odd, but I don't think that they would have much of a case, motive-wise, against Grant.

With all the psycho killers running around, I don't think Lex would need to create an obviously fake brother to kill Lionel. If he wanted to frame someone, he could use Lucas. Or just plant some Belle Reve loony at the scene of the crime.

Or he could frame Lana! And get a subpoena for Clark to testify that Lionel told him that Lana was the one who kidnapped him.

I know if anyone kills Lionel it will be Lex. Julian/Grant would be the fall guy. But it may work out differently. Lionel may kill Julian which will make Lex go off on the deep end and kill Lionel.

[All about Clark]

I agree xrayvision. What better fall guy then a guy who believes he is Julian but isn't really Luthor blood. Lucas really is Luthor blood, so he would not be used. And as for the authorities, I think they will know whatever Lex tells them.

And how easy it would be for Lex to say, that Julian never got over the fact that Lionel gave him up for adoption. Not to mention would there be anything recognizable about a 20 year old corpse if the real Julian was to be dug out of his grave.

[Superboy2]

I can see Lex setting up his brother, but I'd rather him do it 2 Lucas. He needs 2 come back.