*LANA Still Has A Secret!

[litew8]

At the very end of the episode, Lana mentioned to Clark that she needed to know that he'll still love her no matter what. Clark gave her one of those 'Duh, Huh?' looks. Lana is still keeping a secret. I think she is the CLONE. Attack me if you want, but that's what I'm thinking.

[dvg89]

I do not think she is a clone, she blew up her clone.

[paolinki25]

litew8, I will bow to you if this turns out to be a Lana clone, but I highly doubt it. It seems to me the clone story was dropped in the second episode.

[xaosthry]

Don't think its the clone no...but she is hiding something.

[Ilovebeinglost]

There are defiantly more secrets I'm just not sure what they are.

I do love that Clark didn't answer. He's thinking "what is she going to do next" so he made no committment that he will love her no matter what she does.

[Alexander III]

This would get pretty ugly if the clone thing was true coz I'd bet Clark would regret having an earthquake sex w/ a stupid clone.

[xaosthry]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
There are defiantly more secrets I'm just not sure what they are.

I do love that Clark didn't answer. He's thinking "what is she going to do next" so he made no committment that he will love her no matter what she does.

Thinking maybe he wants to keep an eye on her to see what she is up to??? maybe???

[litew8]

Lana hasn't told Clark that she was cloned. WHY NOT?

[Clana4Life]

He knows about that, i.e., the discussion in the second episode. Clone is gone.

[litew8]

^
I don't recall any discussion about a clone.
He doesn't know about that.

[CeeJ]

I have nothing to say.

...just thought I'd share that...

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by Alexander III
This would get pretty ugly if the clone thing was true coz I'd bet Clark would regret having an earthquake sex w/ a stupid clone.

That's OK, Lana unknowingly had sex with a Big Dumb Alien. ;)

[litew8]

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
There are defiantly more secrets I'm just not sure what they are. See, you got the hint that there's 'More to it' than just what we've seen.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

I'm sure she has more secrets

your avatar is awesome, litew8 :lol:

[litew8]

Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
I'm sure she has more secrets

your avatar is awesome, litew8 :lol: Other than the fact that Isobel (not Lana) killed Jason's mom - and since S6 - there isn't anything else that I can think of that is secret worthy, other than the fact that she was cloned, or possibly that she IS a clone. Maybe that's why she looked at that picture of herself after breaking the mirror - remember who she 'once' was.
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"your avatar is awesome, litew8 :lol: "
Thanks! :D

[paolinki25]

That "No matter what" line, and Clark's look can have different interpretations. The fact she said "no matter what" leads me to believe she will continue with her crazy doings, but I can't be sure when the writers are so obsessed with making Lana look like a martyr and perfection personified.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

Originally posted by paolinki25
when the writers are so obsessed with making Lana look like a martyr and perfection personified.

I think they're trying to make it positively clear to us that Lana is the one who is keeping Clark from his destiny....

[litew8]

Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
I think they're trying to make it positively clear to us that Lana is the one who is keeping Clark from his destiny.... GottaLoveHotSuperHeros I was going to put a little pounding green heart next to Chloe on my avatar. What do you think?

[Bigx07]

I think she is keeping more secrets. I think that they are going to break up.

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

Originally posted by litew8
GottaLoveHotSuperHeros I was going to put a little pounding green heart next to Chloe on my avatar. What do you think?

nah...


Originally posted by Bigx07
I think she is keeping more secrets. I think that they are going to break up.

please yes! I hope so!

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by paolinki25
litew8, I will bow to you if this turns out to be a Lana clone, but I highly doubt it. It seems to me the clone story was dropped in the second episode.
I agree,if its a clone then I'll admit tptb got me cause I figure they dropped that in kara.But I do think lana is either hidin sumthin else,or her evil deeds arent over.I think she wants confirmation that clark wont leave her no matter what,but clark couldnt promise that which was good.I think she's up to sumthin,I mean she did tell lex she wouldnt stop til he was brought down.And we kno now she'll do w/e to take him down

[Bigx07]

I think it is a the same lana but she took a walk on the dark side. I think she is going to go back to Lex because she enjoyed thaT kiss that he laid on her.

[litew8]

Originally posted by GottaLoveHotSuperHeros
nah... I might still do it, if I can make it look tasteful.

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by litew8
Other than the fact that Isobel (not Lana) killed Jason's mom - and since S6 - there isn't anything else that I can think of that is secret worthy, other than the fact that she was cloned, or possibly that she IS a clone. Maybe that's why she looked at that picture of herself after breaking the mirror - remember who she 'once' was.
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"your avatar is awesome, litew8 :lol: "
Thanks! :D

But what about the death of Marilyn whom Lana hired to watch over Lionel? That would be a secret wouldn't it?

[litew8]

The death? Lana didn't kill her, Lionel did.

[Brizzle]

Originally posted by litew8
^
I don't recall any discussion about a clone.
He doesn't know about that.

I don't think Clark knows about the clone, the fake baby, and also Lex hitting her or am I missing something. I am still with u I think their is a clone still.

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by litew8
The death? Lana didn't kill her, Lionel did.

Yeah, I didn't say she killed her. But she was the one who hired Marilyn, making her responsible for Marilyn's welfare. And she would have known about her death so it would be a secret if she didn't say anything about the death. Heck, it was a secret that she did the hiring.

[litew8]

Originally posted by KryptoKnight
Yeah, I didn't say she killed her. But she was the one who hired Marilyn, making her responsible for Marilyn's welfare. And she would have known about her death so it would be a secret if she didn't say anything about the death. Heck, it was a secret that she did the hiring. Ok, that's true. But in this episode she did confess to Clark about the kidnaping of Lionel. She didn't give any details. But maybe Lana doesn't know about Marylin being dead because I'm sure Lionel would have covered it up before anyone found out.

[chantal]

Did you notice Chloe told Clark that ISIS had been around for months? When we first saw Lana go there in Cure, the place was still under construction. How much time has passed? I noticed Lionel doing exercises with his injured hand. If it really was broken like Marilyn said, I guess a lot of time might have passed.

[litew8]

Originally posted by Brizzle
I don't think Clark knows about the clone, the fake baby, and also Lex hitting her or am I missing something. I am still with u I think their is a clone still. Fo shizzle Brizzle!
Clark knows about something I think because he mentioned it to Lionel. I think Clark made reference to "all that Lex has done". But there's no indication as to what it is exactly that Clark was talking about. And Lionel came back and said, no - it's more than that. (something like that I think).

It is fun/interesting to sit back and wait for little clues that might indicate that she is a clone. Never knowing what's going to happen around the next corner, etc... the anticipation... :D

Little subtle hints given that might suggest she is, but maybe they aren't. Interesting.

[Brizzle]

Originally posted by litew8
Fo shizzle Brizzle!
Clark knows about something I think because he mentioned it to Lionel. I think Clark made reference to "all that Lex has done". But there's no indication as to what it is exactly that Clark was talking about. And Lionel came back and said, no - it's more than that. (something like that I think).

It is fun/interesting to sit back and wait for little clues that might indicate that she is a clone. Never knowing what's going to happen around the next corner, etc... the anticipation... :D

Little subtle hints given that might suggest she is, but maybe they aren't. Interesting.

Yeah I am unsure about how much Clark knows about the whole Lexana thing. But ur rite she hasn't been herself since day 1. I mean she is ****en loony, so I still think their is a clone involved.

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by paolinki25
That "No matter what" line, and Clark's look can have different interpretations. The fact she said "no matter what" leads me to believe she will continue with her crazy doings, but I can't be sure when the writers are so obsessed with making Lana look like a martyr and perfection personified.

You also could interpret the "no matter what" to refer to Lana's past transgressions that Clark would come to know of (e.g. murder of Geneveive Teague)

So Lana could be afraid of Clark finding out of her past misdeeds, or Lana intends to continue some of her illicit activities and she's afraid Clark will not understand or approve or her actions when he finds out. JMHO.

[Bigx07]

No Clone Lana has just gone crazy.

[Billy Jor-El]

Maybe Lana has the cloning thing herself, and she's cloned someone or something...eh?

[chantal]

Originally posted by litew8
Ok, that's true. But in this episode she did confess to Clark about the kidnaping of Lionel. She didn't give any details. But maybe Lana doesn't know about Marylin being dead because I'm sure Lionel would have covered it up before anyone found out.

Lana didn't "confess." Clark told her he knew and she turned it around and blamed it on him. She had to do it to protect Clark because Lionel was going to kill Clark. Except that Lionel wasn't going to kill Clark, and if she had asked Clark, he would have told her Lionel wasn't a threat. Which is probably why she didn't ask Clark to confirm what Lionel told her. If she had, then she wouldn't have had any justification for getting revenge on Lionel.

[litew8]

Originally posted by chantal
Did you notice Chloe told Clark that ISIS had been around for months? When we first saw Lana go there in Cure, the place was still under construction. How much time has passed? I noticed Lionel doing exercises with his injured hand. If it really was broken like Marilyn said, I guess a lot of time might have passed. So you are suggesting that Lana could have been doing alot more decietful things since the last episode. Correct?

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by chantal
Lana didn't "confess." Clark told her he knew and she turned it around and blamed it on him. She had to do it to protect Clark because Lionel was going to kill Clark. Except that Lionel wasn't going to kill Clark, and if she had asked Clark, he would have told her Lionel wasn't a threat. Which is probably why she didn't ask Clark to confirm what Lionel told her. If she had, then she wouldn't have had any justification for getting revenge on Lionel.
Agreed,she flip what she did on clark even kidnappin lionel.She even says she wouldnt apologize for it,but lionel wasnt a threat to clark when she had him kidnap.

She knew since nemesis that lionel was tryin to protect clark,she even worked wit him to find out info on lex.But as u stated she could have also went to clark to confirm it but she didnt.

And I believe she did that so she can claim to have a reason for her actions,clark didnt truly believe her tho.He compared her actions/beliefs to lex,so its now known clark has doubts.

Lana even tried to flip things on chloe on her havin a right to protect herself,when lex hasnt touch her since she's been back.He's the reason she's back smh,lana is out for revenge but lied about so much she left it open to blame others.

Notice how clark was sort of doubtful of lana's motives at first in their talk then he takes blame smh.As lionel said she has truly embrace what it means to be a luthor :\

Originally posted by litew8
So you are suggesting that Lana could have been doing alot more decietful things since the last episode. Correct?
I think her evil deeds started in either progeny or noir,I cant remember exactly.But I remember her tellin clark that she was goin to get out of her mess her way/on her own.I'm guessin we see which way that is :p

[litew8]

Originally posted by chantal
Lana didn't "confess." Clark told her he knew and she turned it around and blamed it on him. She had to do it to protect Clark because Lionel was going to kill Clark. Except that Lionel wasn't going to kill Clark, and if she had asked Clark, he would have told her Lionel wasn't a threat. Which is probably why she didn't ask Clark to confirm what Lionel told her. If she had, then she wouldn't have had any justification for getting revenge on Lionel. Yea, but what I meant by confess - Clark mentioned it to her and she said "yes". That was a confession of what she did. Why she said she did it is not part of what I was referring to. She confessed to it - so that removes the 'Lana kidnaped Lionel' from the list of things that could be considered 'secrets' that Lana is still hidding from Clark.

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I think her evil deeds started in either progeny or noir,I cant remember exactly.But I remember her tellin clark that she was goin to get out of her mess her way/on her own.I'm guessin we see which way that is :p But she is already out of her mess with Lex. There are no more strings attached. What she is doing is skewed.

[Randy G.]

Here's the thing. I didn't subscribe to this whole "Lana is the clone" theory...... but reading all of your posts, made me realize something totally obvious, that we might be missing.
The majority says that she can't be the clone because we saw the clone die in the explosion. This is true, but no one has mentioned the fact, that there was, in all probability, more than one Lana Clone created in that lab. Think about it. ;)

[ginnyfan]

Clark still doesn't know that Lana is the reason for the second Meteor shower. However I guess Lana still hasn't connected the dots between his arrival to earth and her parent's deaths.

*sigh*

[xrayvision]

She is hiding the true purpose of Isis.

[ginnyfan]

^Mmmm interesting... His and Hers Luthor Super Armies perhaps?

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
^Mmmm interesting... His and Hers Luthor Super Armies perhaps? :lol: A case of "my clones are better than your clones"? :lol:

[ginnyfan]

Or maybe instead of forcing meteor infected people into her project she will gather them together in love and caring and they'll want to be a part of Lana's super army.

[litew8]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
Clark still doesn't know that Lana is the reason for the second Meteor shower. However I guess Lana still hasn't connected the dots between his arrival to earth and her parent's deaths.

*sigh* Yea, but Clark is the reason why Lana managed to obtain the Crystal - he didn't listen to his father (Jor-El) and go about collecting them before someone else aquired them. Clark was warned. Then when Lana (Isobel) killed Jason's mother, destiny took over and the meteor shower began. So I don't think that's a secret - since it really wasn't her fault.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by paolinki25
litew8, I will bow to you if this turns out to be a Lana clone, but I highly doubt it. It seems to me the clone story was dropped in the second episode.

Ditto on both substantive points. Actually, I might even bow to you as a god, since I REALLY don't think it's a clone. ;)

[litew8]

Originally posted by paolinki25
litew8, I will bow to you if this turns out to be a Lana clone, but I highly doubt it. It seems to me the clone story was dropped in the second episode.
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Originally posted by TampaVille
[B]Ditto on both substantive points. Actually, I might even bow to you as a god, since I REALLY don't think it's a clone. ;)

I'm starting to blush (not really).
You can bow, but don't consider me a god. :lol:
Don't forget to bring gold coin. :p

[Joelito]

I think the Clone story still on...one thing is saying *it* other the truth...everyone can say anything @ Smallville and yet not to be the truth...

[dh1031]

I think she is the CLONE. Attack me if you want, but that's what I'm thinking.Think as you like, we all will. Still the writers have already shown that Lana had the clone get destroyed when she blew up her Jeep.

[litew8]

^
The writers had SHOWN LEX telling you that.
You can choose to believe what Lex Luthor tells you, but not me.

[kentfamily]

When did the meteor shower start? I thought it began before the killing of Jason's mother.
Who cares...

Curiousity: Wouldnt you think Clark would have asked Lana about what happened to her tattoo, after they had been intimate the first time? It disappeared after Isobel got her revenge.

Why hasnt Clark told Lana that Lionel is no longer a threat to him? Lana still has this thing about Lionel, who will kill Clark.

I still wonder if she is the clone. Remember Emily? Lana is showing all the signs of inbalance like Emily did.

[litew8]

^
That's what I'm thinking (I've made comparison before too, about EMILY vs LANA) - but the LANA we see now does not seem as severe as EMILY was. EMILY was considered a PROTOTYPE (EMILY'S father's words) and a FAILED APPROXIMATION (LIONEL'S words) of what LIONEL wanted (from EMILY'S father (the scientist who cloned EMILY)). The LANA we see now seems border line. CHLOE even made comment about it to LANA - saying how she (LANA) is capable of killing a person now. LIONEL has said LANA is disturbed and may not be the same girl (in essence). Maybe LEX was successfull, and managed to tame the cloning project.

The other things you mentioned:
- The meteor shower - yea, who cares...
- LANA'S Isobel tattoo, CLARK knew she was possessed (briefly).
- CLARK not telling LANA certain things - not sure, maybe to keep things interesting.

[FULLMETALMARTA]

lex created a Lana clone in order to create his very own blow up Lana doll!
No batteries required!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :p ;) :p ;) :p ;) :lol:

[litew8]

^
No. That isn't even funny.
If you want a sophisticated explanation to the probability,
read a theory -

Clone Theory (http://kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77008) (Warning! Possible Spoiler(s)!)

[kentfamily]

Yeah, seems like Lana still has a secret but what? Is she the Clone?

[clana4everfan2]

The clone theory is still on...we will see what happens.

[operadiva]

Clark had sex with a clone..say it ain't so?
Oh well that stupid alien..he can't even tell it was the real Lana..That is awsome indeed..

He had sex with a fake Lana..well i guess someone will say fake Lana and Clark sex is better than no sex with a live Lana

[clarkbunny]

I thought it was already established that Lex made model 503 Lana as a xmas gift for Clark to say no hard feelings over the wedding - now they can BOTH have Lana :lol:

Seriously I think the clone idea died when Lana blew up model 503 (that's in the car not an inflatable doll he he he), there are no more Lana clones.

If Lana has a secret I think it's that she STOLE the 10 meeeellion dollars *Lana puts little finger to lip Dr Evil style*. Clark still doesn't know that she stole it rather than received it in the divorce settlement. Also about the baby and the clone - Lana's still keeping those cards close to her chest.

[litew8]

^
Well, it has only been established by LIER LEX LUTHOR that Lana blew up a clone.
You can choose to believe what Lex tells you, but not me.

[Humdinger]

Originally posted by Brizzle
I don't think Clark knows about the clone, the fake baby, and also Lex hitting her or am I missing something. I am still with u I think their is a clone still.

Me, too. I think there's more than one, and not necessarily just Lana!

[Marc_MLarCk]

Originally posted by paolinki25
That "No matter what" line, and Clark's look can have different interpretations. The fact she said "no matter what" leads me to believe she will continue with her crazy doings, but I can't be sure when the writers are so obsessed with making Lana look like a martyr and perfection personified.

I don't think so, Lana only needs that the man she LOVES (CK) continues loving her EVEN when he discovers that she is not only the girl he imagines... That is real love : loving somone for what he is really... not you want he would be...

Originally posted by Bigx07
I think it is a the same lana but she took a walk on the dark side. I think she is going to go back to Lex because she enjoyed thaT kiss that he laid on her.

I think it is wrong : You can compare this kiss with the one that Clark had given to Lana in 6th season "6-13 Crimson" (Clark decides to break up Lex and Lana's wedding dinner, he kidnaps Lana in the Barn and give her a kiss).

When it is CK, she cries because she don't understand why Clark had lefted her !

With Lex she pushes him away and dries her mouth...

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by litew8
^
Well, it has only been established by LIER LEX LUTHOR that Lana blew up a clone.
You can choose to believe what Lex tells you, but not me.

That's not entirely accurate. You make it sound as if in that scene, Lana had asked Lex what happened to the clone, and Lex had given her that story as some sort of revelation. That is not how it happened.

What happened was that Lana had known what happened to the clone, because she's the one who blew it up. Lex had figured out what had happened. When he was telling that story, he wasn't giving her new information. He was saying, "Look at me! I figured it out."

That doesn't mean the story is necessarily true. But you're missing an important point. If Lana did not really blow up the clone, that doesn't mean Lex was lying about it. It means Lex was MISTAKEN. Lex wouldn't be the liar, covering up Lana's tracks. He'd be a dupe who was fooled by Lana.

I keep seeing you calling doubt upon the story because it was told by Lex. Taken COMPLETELY out of context, you're right, Lex saying something does not make it true. You have to look at it in context. Whether it's true or not, Lex believes it. It might still be wrong, but Lex believes it.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

theres really no point in any1 trying to debate on this subject anymore as every1 either believes theres still a clone within smallville, and those like myself who dont believe theres a clone

every1 lies within smallville no matter what there reason for it is

clark and kara lie about there origins and pretend to be human when there not

chloe lies about her meteor powers to jimmy and covers for clark and kara

lana no matter your feelings and opinions about her she lies

lionel and lex have gone through the entire series switching between good and evil, being honest and decietful

jonathan and matha lied about clarks origins and hadnt he been in the pilot accident with lex they would have continued to lie to clark (to cover clarks secret)

pete also lied

but lex said it best in slumber in season 3 "i couldnt be trusted because im a luthor"

thats the only reason no1 believes lexs version of lanas plan to frame him because lex is a luthor had it been chloe, lois, pete, martha etc people would beleive the story and this clone story wouldnt always be brought up after each ep

[bobser]

It seems they are hinting a bit too much that she still may be a clone, so I somewhat doubt that.

It'd be too obvious, plus Lois and Clark:New Adventures of Superman, jumped the shark after the horrible "clone frog" arc, which would hopefully be on their minds since they want an 8th season.

Lana's dark nature this season will hopefully be simply an obsession with revenge against Lex. Perhaps she has something more sinister in motion to see she gets her fury unleashed.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
theres really no point in any1 trying to debate on this subject anymore as every1 either believes theres still a clone within smallville, and those like myself who dont believe theres a clone


That's not true. I don't think there will be any more clones on the show, but I'm still interested in the discussion. My mind can still be changed. There's definitely a point in discussing it. If anybody enjoys the discussion, then that's point enough on its own.

[litew8]

Originally posted by TampaVille
That's not entirely accurate. You make it sound as if in that scene, Lana had asked Lex what happened to the clone, and Lex had given her that story as some sort of revelation. That is not how it happened.

What happened was that Lana had known what happened to the clone, because she's the one who blew it up. Lex had figured out what had happened. When he was telling that story, he wasn't giving her new information. He was saying, "Look at me! I figured it out."

That doesn't mean the story is necessarily true. But you're missing an important point. If Lana did not really blow up the clone, that doesn't mean Lex was lying about it. It means Lex was MISTAKEN. Lex wouldn't be the liar, covering up Lana's tracks. He'd be a dupe who was fooled by Lana.

I keep seeing you calling doubt upon the story because it was told by Lex. Taken COMPLETELY out of context, you're right, Lex saying something does not make it true. You have to look at it in context. Whether it's true or not, Lex believes it. It might still be wrong, but Lex believes it. NOT taken "COMPLETELY" out of context. You are misconscruing what I said to fit your analogy of what you percieve of the show and what you percieve me suggesting - which is wrong. I simply called LEX a LIER because that is his nature. I put that fact together with the fact that it was HIM (LEX) that tells the viewers (and supposed LANA) what occurred that day - and NOT (supposed LANA). (supposed) LANA did not say anything to confirm what LEX believed to have happened - nor did she question it. Which leaves the entire premisis of what truely happened wide open.

Originally posted by TampaVille
...but I'm still interested in the discussion. My mind can still be changed. There's definitely a point in discussing it. If anybody enjoys the discussion, then that's point enough on its own. GREAT point. A little imagination/discussion/debate never hurt anybody. Exercise for the brain.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by TampaVille
That's not true. I don't think there will be any more clones on the show, but I'm still interested in the discussion. My mind can still be changed. There's definitely a point in discussing it. If anybody enjoys the discussion, then that's point enough on its own.

its 1 thing to discuss it the difference is when 2 people who have 2 different opinions cant agree take myself and litew8 we have had many debates we both strongly believe that there is and isnt a clone (i dont believe there is 1)

thats the point of my post those that have decided already no matter whats said to them by other posters

[litew8]

^
Then that is your choice - to not have a discussion.
But if you want, I'd still talk back and forth with whatever you have to offer.
It doesn't have to be about coming to an understanding - not everything in life can be agreed upon - and there's nothing wrong with that, unless it is something that deals with humanity or lives, but we are just talking about a make believe show that has a history of sorts.

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero

but lex said it best in slumber in season 3 "i couldnt be trusted because im a luthor"

thats the only reason no1 believes lexs version of lanas plan to frame him because lex is a luthor had it been chloe, lois, pete, martha etc people would beleive the story and this clone story wouldnt always be brought up after each ep

Again, I must keep pointing out, Lex was not trying to convince Lana that was what happened. He was showing Lana he'd figured out her plan. If what he said was untrue, it is not because he's a Luthor and therefore deceitful. It is because he was mistaken, confused, wrong.

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
its 1 thing to discuss it the difference is when 2 people who have 2 different opinions cant agree take myself and litew8 we have had many debates we both strongly believe that there is and isnt a clone (i dont believe there is 1)

thats the point of my post those that have decided already no matter whats said to them by other posters

If you have decided that you will believe your opinion no matter what anybody else says, then you probably don't have much reason to engage in a discussion. I'm always willing to change my opinions as new information and new arguments are brought to my attention. So as long as somebody has something interesting to say about clones, I'm happy to listen and respond, if I have something interesting to say back.

Originally posted by litew8
NOT taken "COMPLETELY" out of context. You are misconscruing what I said to fit your analogy of what you percieve of the show and what you percieve me suggesting - which is wrong. I simply called LEX a LIER because that is his nature. I put that fact together with the fact that it was HIM (LEX) that tells the viewers (and supposed LANA) what occurred that day - and NOT (supposed LANA). (supposed) LANA did not say anything to confirm what LEX believed to have happened - nor did she question it. Which leaves the entire premisis of what truely happened wide open.

GREAT point. A little imagination/discussion/debate never hurt anybody. Exercise for the brain.

I'm glad we're both coming at this conversation with the right attitude. So, I know you know that I'm being constructive, not insulting, with anything I say.

I had a very hard time understanding what you were trying to say. The spelling and grammar errors are very distracting. That having been said, allow me to summarize what it is I think you said. That way when I respond, you'll know what it is to which I am responding.

As best I could tell, it sounds like you are saying: Lex is a liar. Lex said Lana blew up the clone. Therefore, we can't trust that Lana really blew up the clone.

The flaw in your logic that I'm trying to point out is that Lex had no reason to lie to Lana. Lana KNEW what she did with the clone. Why would Lex possibly lie to her about it?

Imagine that Lex came to you one day and told you that he has discovered that you have engaged in online debates on the Kryptonsite forums. True, Lex is a duplicitous person and cannot generally be trusted. But if he is telling you something not for the purpose of misleading you, but rather to show you that he's figured something out, he'd have no reason to lie to you.

Now let's say that he did lie to you. You'd know immediately it was a lie. He'd be lying to you about your own actions. If what he said to Lana was untrue, Lana in her head would be thinking, "Wtf? Blew up the clone? I AM the clone!!!"

Allow me also to clarify what it is I AM saying. I am not saying Lex was necessarily correct. He could have been mistaken. But he was not lying.

Why would he ever lie to a person about their own actions? There is no reason to lie to somebody about something they know. Lex would never come to you and say that you lost your left hand in a fishing boat accident when you were 7. That would be a lie, but he would never tell you that lie, because you know it is not true. In the same way, he would not lie to Lana about what she did with the clone, because she would know it was not true.

If I am misunderstanding you in some way, please tell me. Thanks.

[litew8]

Originally posted by TampaVille
I'm glad we're both coming at this conversation with the right attitude. So, I know you know that I'm being constructive, not insulting, with anything I say.

I had a very hard time understanding what you were trying to say. The spelling and grammar errors are very distracting. That having been said, allow me to summarize what it is I think you said. That way when I respond, you'll know what it is to which I am responding. Spelling and grammar errors? Perhaps the manner in which I spoke, but spelling and grammar? If you say LIER is innacurate, I'll correct you.

Originally posted by TampaVille
As best I could tell, it sounds like you are saying: Lex is a liar. Lex said Lana blew up the clone. Therefore, we can't trust that Lana really blew up the clone.

Yes. That is correct.

The flaw in your logic that I'm trying to point out is that Lex had no reason to lie to Lana. Lana KNEW what she did with the clone. Why would Lex possibly lie to her about it?

Whenever somebody says that my logic is flawed, a red flag goes up. Not so much because I'm offended, but because you consider your perspective to be more accurate. Here's why you're incorrect with your response (above):

For some odd reason, Lex (supposedly) knew the turn of events - step by step - no questions asked, no comments made by (supposed) Lana. There lies a problem of sorts, and allows for speculation. Why didn't we hear the story directly from (supposed) Lana? What reason is there for her to have NOT told the story. Why did Lex have to tell us? And why did (supposed) Lana not confirm nor deny any of the allegations? Those are ligitimate questions.

Now let's say that he did lie to you. You'd know immediately it was a lie. He'd be lying to you about your own actions. If what he said to Lana was untrue, Lana in her head would be thinking, "Wtf? Blew up the clone? I AM the clone!!!"

A clone may not necessarily know that it is a clone. It may actually think it is the original (not a clone).

Allow me also to clarify what it is I AM saying. I am not saying Lex was necessarily correct. He could have been mistaken. But he was not lying.

Perhaps he had other motive. Aside from being mistaken, maybe he knows exactly what he's doing. That doesn't mean the audience should know about it just yet.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by TampaVille
Again, I must keep pointing out, Lex was not trying to convince Lana that was what happened. He was showing Lana he'd figured out her plan. If what he said was untrue, it is not because he's a Luthor and therefore deceitful. It is because he was mistaken, confused, wrong.

try reading my post again and you will find out i didnt say it was for lanas benefit he was explaining the framed murder to lana for the viewers benefit hence me saying "thats the only reason no1 believes lexs version of lanas plan to frame him because lex is a luthor"

i didnt say lana didnt believe him did i?!

and to backup this statement heres what litew8 said

Well, it has only been established by LIER LEX LUTHOR that Lana blew up a clone.
You can choose to believe what Lex tells you, but not me.

litew8 was basing lexs nature to lie (being a luthor) on what lex was saying thus litew8 who is a viewer doesnt believe lexs version of lanas plan to frame lex

Originally posted by TampaVille
If you have decided that you will believe your opinion no matter what anybody else says, then you probably don't have much reason to engage in a discussion.[/B]

even before the season started i was willing to accept that lana was the clone it was then when the season started that we were shown lana in china and her confrontation with lex that the clone arcs gone

i and many others didnt just decide lana wasnt the clone its what almiles have shown us with lexs version of lanas escape that helped us

Originally posted by TampaVille If I am misunderstanding you in some way, please tell me. Thanks. [/B]

you have misunderstood me

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
try reading my post again and you will find out i didnt say it was for lanas benefit he was explaining the framed murder to lana for the viewers benefit hence me saying "thats the only reason no1 believes lexs version of lanas plan to frame him because lex is a luthor"

i didnt say lana didnt believe him did i?!

and to backup this statement heres what litew8 said

Well, it has only been established by LIER LEX LUTHOR that Lana blew up a clone.
You can choose to believe what Lex tells you, but not me.

litew8 was basing lexs nature to lie (being a luthor) on what lex was saying thus litew8 who is a viewer doesnt believe lexs version of lanas plan to frame lex



even before the season started i was willing to accept that lana was the clone it was then when the season started that we were shown lana in china and her confrontation with lex that the clone arcs gone

i and many others didnt just decide lana wasnt the clone its what almiles have shown us with lexs version of lanas escape that helped us



you have misunderstood me

I'm afraid you've become terribly confused. Most of what I said was directed at litew8, not you. It probably sounded like I'd misunderstood you because I was not talking to you.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

the reason i quoted you TampaVille on that "misunderstanding" quote is that it helped me to show you that you had understood me too! i know you asked litew8 about that and not me

[TampaVille]

Originally posted by litew8
Spelling and grammar errors? Perhaps the manner in which I spoke, but spelling and grammar? If you say LIER is innacurate, I'll correct you.

Originally posted by litew8
NOT taken "COMPLETELY" out of context. You are misconscruing what I said to fit your analogy of what you percieve of the show and what you percieve me suggesting - which is wrong. I simply called LEX a LIER because that is his nature. I put that fact together with the fact that it was HIM (LEX) that tells the viewers (and supposed LANA) what occurred that day - and NOT (supposed LANA). (supposed) LANA did not say anything to confirm what LEX believed to have happened - nor did she question it. Which leaves the entire premisis of what truely happened wide open.


The word "lier" is indeed an accepted, though uncommon, word for one who lies. That is not the example I meant. Your first line, "NOT taken "COMPLETELY" out of context" is a clause, not a sentence, and I don't know what you are trying to say with it. "Misconscruing" is not a word. I believe the word you are looking for is "misconstruing." The word is "perceive," not "percieve." Saying "it was him (Lex) that tells the viewers," is also grammatically incorrect. It would be "it was he (Lex) who tells the viewers." The word is "truly," not "truely." And everything after "tells the viewers" through the end is very unclear.

I'm not pointing all of this out to be a jerk. You asked what your spelling and grammar errors were, so I'm pointing them out. Though for the most part I could decypher what you were trying to say in any given instance (though not always), the multiple errors combined with your odd use of the caps lock key (and your unorthodox choice of "lier" over "liar") made your point difficult to discern.

And I never misconstrued what you said to fit my vision of the show. I just think it is illogical to argue that Lex and Lana were conspiring to lie to the audience, which they as fictional characters don't know exists.

Originally posted by SV'S_immortal_hero
the reason i quoted you TampaVille on that "misunderstanding" quote is that it helped me to show you that you had understood me too! i know you asked litew8 about that and not me

A misunderstanding has indeed taken place, and I apologize for being unclear in what I was saying. I don't believe I've misunderstood you though. I'm afraid that in my response, I was sufficiently unclear that I allowed myself to be misunderstood. For that I apologize.

Lex has a history of dishonesty. That is true. But when he's talking to Lana, he's only showing her that he knows what she's done. He could not lie to her about that. The only way that this could be a lie is if he and Lana are working together to trick some third party, namely the audience. That is sufficiently silly that I won't spend more time on it.

Any further discussion of that scene probably belongs, more appropriately, on the subforum of that episode, or the general discussion forum, and not this one.

[litew8]

Originally posted by TampaVille
The word "lier" is indeed an accepted, though uncommon, word for one who lies. That is not the example I meant. Your first line, "NOT taken "COMPLETELY" out of context" is a clause, not a sentence, and I don't know what you are trying to say with it. "Misconscruing" is not a word. I believe the word you are looking for is "misconstruing." The word is "perceive," not "percieve." Saying "it was him (Lex) that tells the viewers," is also grammatically incorrect. It would be "it was he (Lex) who tells the viewers." The word is "truly," not "truely." And everything after "tells the viewers" through the end is very unclear.

The word "lier" can also mean something else, aside from what you "perceive". Say, thanks for correcting my spelling and grammar - I stand corrected, though that's really besides the point.

I'm not pointing all of this out to be a jerk. You asked what your spelling and grammar errors were, so I'm pointing them out. Though for the most part I could decypher what you were trying to say in any given instance (though not always), the multiple errors combined with your odd use of the caps lock key (and your unorthodox choice of "lier" over "liar") made your point difficult to discern.

The thought of you being a jerk never crossed my mind. Now that you mention it, I'm uncertain why it was you had decided to point them (spelling/grammer errors) out intially. You having to resort to decyphering seems to be a stretch. Unorthodox choice of words, hardly. The word fits appropriately. I can understand you having difficulty concluding my meaning. And I don't use the Caps Lock key, I merely press the Shift button whilst capitalizing letters.

And I never misconstrued what you said to fit my vision of the show. I just think it is illogical to argue that Lex and Lana were conspiring to lie to the audience, which they as fictional characters don't know exists.

First off, I'm not arguing.
Secondly, I never said Lex and Lana were "conspiring" to decieve the audience - which as you clearly pointed out would be a ridiculous assumption. Therefore, you are (again) misconstruing - or rather FABRICATING, what it is I have said. The characters act upon what the writers/producers provide. Directed towards the audience. If you insist on psycho analyzing, you'll find your answer there.

[Benali1983]

hi...this is my first post!!
the thought that lana was a clone, it did cross my mind. maybe shes one of several clones?!
who knows!!

[kryptonaidxh]

:rolleyes: when does the b**ch don´t have a secret?:rolleyes: :)

[FULLMETALMARTA]

Originally posted by litew8
^
No. That isn't even funny.
If you want a sophisticated explanation to the probability,
read a theory -

Clone Theory (http://kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77008) (Warning! Possible Spoiler(s)!)


Sorry, i have a deliciously wicked sense of humor!:lol:

Anyway, I read the theory and found out a lot of stuff i hadn't thought of...excellent reading....:)

I gotta tell you though, I still like my theory the best....just because it's the funniest!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: