is peter immortal now?

[jnelson2105336]

does any body think that peter might be immortal since he got in contact with adam. sorry i might had put this in a different thread.

[Monkeychow01]

I think you have it slightly backwards. Clair has the same ability as Adam. I think it's just a stunt of their ability, and that's how he survived the blowing up in the air. WE'll find out next week though!

[jnelson2105336]

think about it , peter is like a sponge and can absorb others powers, so if adam/kensie is immortal, that would make peter noe immortal since they met now.

[Monkeychow01]

no I know...but Adam has the same ability as Clair. He's just refined it more. Clare still has much to learn about her powers.

[Jredbird]

there is now proof that Adam and Claire have the same ability I think they have different powers

[Sweetie]

He survived blowing up in the air...I think we can say without a doubt that he is.

[bobsuncorp]

Claire and Adam do have the same abilities, and he may even be an ancestor of hers given how long he has lived. The point is though that his is a passive ability, only manifesting when his body is damaged by external forces or by time. This is why Peter is able to use that ability unconciously when he is on the brink of death and is also why he will live for hundreds of years if given the chance. As a side note, I may as well say here why I think that the injury to the back of the head "killed" Claire and Peter, it is because the glass or the wood damaged the brain stem causing all vital systems to shut down. The point is that they only stay shut down while the object is still in place causing the disruption, once it is removed the body is able to heal and come back to life. It is possible that if enough time passes there will be a point of no return but neither Peter nor Claire reached that poin t. Maybe Adam was being kept on ice with a spike in the back of his head for all the time he was in prison?

[Barogrei]

I'm inclined to think that, as it is technically possible to kill Claire (Sylar did in the alternate future), there may be a way to kill Adam/Kensei. If it is true that Kensei's power is conceptually different from Claire, and that they only appear to be similar, than perhaps Peter and Kensei actually are immortal. Perhaps his power is to be immortal, and spontaneous regeneration is only a manifest of his power acting, and not it's power itself, as it is with Claire. However, even if Kensei's power is definitely different from Claire's, I anticipate the writer's of the show to give him at least one Achille's heel. Well, I suppose if Kensei is terribly evil, the good heroes could act to subdue, or trap him, and his actual annihalation wouldn't be necessary.

[jazzylg]

Wow. So how does Peter's power filing system sort out 'double indestructability'? Does his system have an operator that tells him to 'hold please, there seems to be a duplicate power..select 1 for adam, and 2 for claire to use this power..." lol!

[Mello Penelo]

Perhaps when Peter's body pushed out the bullets it was Adam's ability manifesting and not Claire's.

When Adam got shot with the arrows, it shocked him that he healed. Claire's objects always have to be dug out of her body.

[jazzylg]

When claire was shot by parkman in season 1, the bullet poked itself out as well, so it cleary shows she has the same ability.

[nevermore]

Originally posted by jazzylg
When claire was shot by parkman in season 1, the bullet poked itself out as well, so it cleary shows she has the same ability.

She technically coughed the bullet up, but you do make an interesting point.

[flying_girl]

actually i think this says the opposite. both claire and peter got shot in the chest yet claire coughed up her bullet while peter's body pushed his out.

[Mello Penelo]

Claire coughed up the bullet because it wasn't permanently lodged in her body. She got shot in the throat and it was in her windpipe.

The bullets in Peter were in his heart and lungs.

[Another-One]

It's speculation right now whether Claire too is immortal. No one except maybe the writers know for sure.

I personally believe they have different abilities.

Kensei is immortal. Claire simply regenerates.

Since Kensei is immortal he heals. It may seem similar but Claire will die and kinda has.

[Xanderman]

I voted No.

I think Claire and Kensei have the same ability, regeneration. This ability should be enough to keep them both from aging or getting old. Meaning Kensei isn't truly immortal, he can probably be killed by a beheading for example, which is probably how Hiro the swordsman will end him, Highlander style ("there can be only one").:cool: :lol:

I highly doubt Peter is immortal (or more accurately, will stay young forever). He must "activate" the regeneration ability, it isn't "always on" as it is with Claire and Kensei, which is a requirement to keep one perpetually young.

In other words, with the way I believe Peter's powers to work, he shouldn't respond to aging as he does to pain. He responds emotionally to pain/injury, which triggers the healing power.

So again I don't think either Kensei or Claire are truly immortal, both can be killed. However, neither should ever succumb to a natural death.

[S. T. Scorpion]

Claire was "dead" once (while twig was in her head).
Peter too (glass shard).
Adam either died or fainted when he was shot with the arrows.
The question is whether he would have woken up if Hiro had not intervened. I will need to watch that episode again.

Peter Immortal ? I think not.
Adam as Mr. Petrelli? I think not.
West and electric chick - spawn/pawns of Adam - we shall see.

[pycer]

I think the heroes Wiki technically says Kensei's power is 'longevity', but it was revealed even before the show began this season that Anders was playing an immortal. Hence, Peter has his power as well, be it Immortality, longevity, or just super regeneration...whatever it is Adam can do that let him live for 400 years thus far, Pete can do now too.

[shadow4486]

My theory is that Claire and Adam have the same power but his may be evolved like Matt and his Dad. I cannot say that Claire and Adam are related but it is, of course, possible. I think that Claire will be just like Adam and live for a very long time.

I don't believe that Peter's healing ability is something he has to think about anymore. When he was shot in Ireland, the healing just seemed to happen. And if he has both Claire and Adam's abilities, then he should be immune to the virus since any illness will be wiped out by the healing (i.e. Wolverine)

Oooo, what if the virus was created by Adam because he cannot be killed by it. Just a thought.

[pycer]

Originally posted by shadow4486


Oooo, what if the virus was created by Adam because he cannot be killed by it. Just a thought.

Whoa, thats actually a rather good thought. Damn, must be the vicadin, why didnt I think of that first. ;)

[Sweetie]

Originally posted by shadow4486
My theory is that Claire and Adam have the same power but his may be evolved like Matt and his Dad. I cannot say that Claire and Adam are related but it is, of course, possible. I think that Claire will be just like Adam and live for a very long time.

I don't believe that Peter's healing ability is something he has to think about anymore. When he was shot in Ireland, the healing just seemed to happen. And if he has both Claire and Adam's abilities, then he should be immune to the virus since any illness will be wiped out by the healing (i.e. Wolverine)

Oooo, what if the virus was created by Adam because he cannot be killed by it. Just a thought.


That's what I think also :D

[rocana]

I really don't see how they could have different powers. Claire's powers grant her immortality by default, because aging is the gradual deteriation of our cells, which her powers would prevent from occuring. It's also been established that the source of these powers in contained within a specific part of the brain, and if that part is damaged, it prevents powers from being used, and the only way to kill Clarie, and would have to be the same way for Adam since the brain rule applies to all people with powers, so Adam would have to have this same limitation.

I guess my problem is that I think Spontaneous Cellular Regeneration and Immortality in this storyline means the exact same thing no matter how you look at it. If they are two different powers but end up granting the same exact abilities, how is it really a different power?

Oh, and from the first post, Peter does have their power and doesn't have to consiously use it as you suggest... Remember when Claire pulled the glass out of his head and he came back to life? And Claire and Peter only "die" when the injury in question is in the head, which we haven't seen happen to Adam.. yet.

[Sweetie]

I know.The way I say it they are not really immortal.The virus can never effected them,their system aborded it before it enters in their body's cells.But,that doesn't mean that they can not died.If they are killed by Sylar it will be the end for them(the guy takes out the brain so,they can't regenerated anymore).We know that the brain has something to do with the powers.So,as long as people stay out of their head they will stay young, heathly much longer and they could live forever(probably).

[samwinchestermustdie]

i know claire can survive anything but my question is, is she immortal? if she does have the same power as kensei the peter has been immortal for awhile.

[Mischael12]

Actually by the way that viruses work it would just multiply within their system.

A virus needs cells to reproduce, in regeneration were you develop a completely new cell from old cells at an increase rate...well that would just increase the virus as well.

In retrospect it would just actually lead to on really sick being. Consider this claire gets infected, the virus breaks out the cell, the cell heals, thats just one more cell for the virus to infect. What they are hoping is that Claires ability to regenerate is also linked to her immune system, so that each time the virus changes her immune system responds with whatever damage was done to it and develops and immunity as quick as the virus. Its one giant game of catch up.

The thing with aging though is that its a natural degeneration of the cells, its not some outside damage being done to it. If the cell is naturally doing its thing and than dies, there would be no point for her powers to intervene, hell that would just make her one giant cancer ball if it did that.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by samwinchestermustdie
i know claire can survive anything but my question is, is she immortal? if she does have the same power as kensei the peter has been immortal for awhile. Immortal means "not liable or subject to death". However Claire can be killed and thus die. She just will never die a "natural death". And I believe the same to be true of Kensei/Adam. (Same ability -- regeneration)

Originally posted by rocana
I really don't see how they could have different powers. Claire's powers grant her immortality by default, because aging is the gradual deteriation of our cells, which her powers would prevent from occuring. It's also been established that the source of these powers in contained within a specific part of the brain, and if that part is damaged, it prevents powers from being used, and the only way to kill Clarie, and would have to be the same way for Adam since the brain rule applies to all people with powers, so Adam would have to have this same limitation.
Agreed. However I think you're mis-using the term "immortality" as most people seem to be. (see above). Immortality is not just living forever due to staying young, to be truly immortal one can't be killed in any way.

Originally posted by Mischael12
The thing with aging though is that its a natural degeneration of the cells, its not some outside damage being done to it. If the cell is naturally doing its thing and than dies, there would be no point for her powers to intervene, hell that would just make her one giant cancer ball if it did that. I always saw aging as damage to cells caused by the simple act of living -- the body can't repair/maintain itself perfectly, not able to keep up with the build up of harmful waste products over time, causing irreversible damage to cells or "aging". Or something like that. If this or something like this is the case, then Claire/Adam's regenerative ability would most definitely lead to prolonged life, as their body parts/cells would never deteriorate or be damaged beyond repair as is the case with us.

Originally posted by rocana
Oh, and from the first post, Peter does have their power and doesn't have to consiously use it as you suggest... Remember when Claire pulled the glass out of his head and he came back to life? And Claire and Peter only "die" when the injury in question is in the head, which we haven't seen happen to Adam.. yet. While Peter doesn't have to use it consciously, I believe it must be activated in some way for him to use, unlike with the original power holder, Claire. This is how I understand it, others might disagree. So in the example you're using, Claire's presence/proximity activated the healing power in Peter once she removed the interfering shard. When Claire isn't around, Peter's "emotional" response to injury must trigger the healing ability -- it is not automatic/always on as it is with Claire. This implies that Peter will NOT stay young forever the way Kensei has and Claire will, as aging is not painful and will not cause an emotional response in Peter, thus permitting him to "age". So while his life will probably be prolonged as he will undoubtedly suffer pains in body parts as he gets older (and his emotional response would thus trigger healing at that time), I don't think this will be enough to keep him young forever. Eventually he'll kick the bucket of natural causes.

(So in my view Peter didn't and won't gain anything from Adam he doesn't already have -- as Claire and Adam are the same.)

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

As with all super powered beings which appear to be immortal, chopping its head off usially puts an end to immortality.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by TheANIMAL (marcus)
As with all super powered beings which appear to be immortal, chopping its head off usially puts an end to immortality. Especially in the case of Heroes, as various examples have shown us that powers are based in the brain. Taking off the head would undoubtedly immediately put an end to any "hero". Many used to be under the mistaken impression before that Claire was immortal or impossible to kill, just as what they are thinking now about Adam. However, Adam and Claire likely share the same talent for regeneration and that's it. They can heal from most injuries and stay young forever (avoid natural death), however the right attack will kill them. Beheading, destroying certain parts of the brain, or simply blowing them up into little bits. All these things would finish both Claire and Adam/Kensei (and Peter as well).

What's more, the Kensei/Hiro thing has a clear "Highlander" feel to it, in my opinion, making Kensei's eventual death via a beheading (by Hiro's sword no doubt) all the more likely.

[JudasAce]

Why would beheading kill them? If the blow doesn't damage the brain, why wouldn't they just grow a new body from the neck down? If they can regrown arms, legs, organs etc (Especially massive damage like was done to Claire when she got all burned up) then they should be able to grow new bodies as long as the brain is intact.

[Barogrei]

However, if Kensei's power is defined as immortality (which I doubt), then it must follow that there is not actual way to kill him, meaning that his brain simply could not be destroyed. If the brain is the source of his power, as it is with every hero we've experienced, a power that would truly mean immortality (the inability to die), would have to mean that its source was indestructible. If Kensei could be destroyed by chopping off his head (which, I think, even if his power was only regeneration, he still would grow his body back) or blowing his brain to bits, he wouldn't truly be immortal, and that would defy the definition (assuming that we define Kensei's power as immortality. Although I highly doubt that Kensei's power actually is immortality, and not regeneration, or something else, if it actually is, there would be no way to destroy him.

[Xanderman]

A toe growing back is one thing, but an entire body, complete with all organs, that's another thing altogether in my opinion. For one thing, where would all the matter/energy/whatever required to create another body come from, from only a head? Lol that's a lot of new and complicated cells to produce/replace from only a head to work with.:lol: (I'm not discounting the possibility, just saying that it's highly unlikely when you think about it.)

[Mischael12]

Being immortal wouldn't be regeneration it would be even with his head cut off it would still be able to operate as its own living entity.

It wouldn't grow back but if he attached it back to his body it would heal.

As for cells, it can be argued, but again there is also programed cell death which is necessary within the body, there is also issues of metabolic energy.

[TKFlash]

Originally posted by bobsuncorp
Claire and Adam do have the same abilities, and he may even be an ancestor of hers given how long he has lived. The point is though that his is a passive ability, only manifesting when his body is damaged by external forces or by time. This is why Peter is able to use that ability unconciously when he is on the brink of death and is also why he will live for hundreds of years if given the chance. As a side note, I may as well say here why I think that the injury to the back of the head "killed" Claire and Peter, it is because the glass or the wood damaged the brain stem causing all vital systems to shut down. The point is that they only stay shut down while the object is still in place causing the disruption, once it is removed the body is able to heal and come back to life. It is possible that if enough time passes there will be a point of no return but neither Peter nor Claire reached that poin t. Maybe Adam was being kept on ice with a spike in the back of his head for all the time he was in prison? I'm with you on this. prime example...wolverine. He has a healing factor just like Claire but because of that healing factor he has lived for a long time because his body keeps itself in its prime. Claire will probably stop physically aging when she reaches her physical prime too.

[Mischael12]

...this isn't x-men though...so really how can you compare it? There are plenty of other hero's with regenerative abilities...doesn't stop them from aging.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Mischael12
...this isn't x-men though...so really how can you compare it? There are plenty of other hero's with regenerative abilities...doesn't stop them from aging. X-men aside, if the assumption that Claire and Adam have the same ability is correct, then regeneration does indeed slow or stop aging, as proven by Kensei/Adam's living on for centuries.

Originally posted by Mischael12
It wouldn't grow back but if he attached it back to his body it would heal.
Yeah if someone places the severed head back on the body, as long as too much time hasn't passed, it probably would reconnect and life would resume.

[Mischael12]

thats if it is regeneration and not immortality.

[Barogrei]

Xanderman- "A toe growing back is one thing, but an entire body, complete with all organs, that's another thing altogether in my opinion. For one thing, where would all the matter/energy/whatever required to create another body come from, from only a head? Lol that's a lot of new and complicated cells to produce/replace from only a head to work with. (I'm not discounting the possibility, just saying that it's highly unlikely when you think about it.)"

As far as the plausibility of regenerating the entire body when detached from the head, and where all of the matter or energy would come from, are all of the powers that we encountered plausible by that criteria? Where does Nathan Petrelli get the energy to propel his mass through the air at incredible speeds, or Sylar get the energy to move masses with his mind, or, if we want to turn to matter,and not energy (even though modern physics suggests that they are similar through the E= mc^2 formula), how about Bob's ability to change the physical composition of any metal to that of gold? Although Chandra and Mohinder Suresh try to cryptically maintain a plausible scientific explanation for these phenomena, I think that we have to exercise an extreme amount of leniency to the explanation of these phenomena, if we are to just watch the show. I do not think it that much a stretch to say that Kensei's entire body would grow back if his head were cut off, considering the suspension of the imagination that the rest of the show has required.

As for the question of whether Kensei's power would allow for his head to be cut off, and then for his head to exist, detached, but still alive, although this would qualify as immortality, I doubt that this definition of immortality is what Kensei posseses. If Kensei's power was simply to maintain alive, he wouldn't rapidly regenerate after he was stabbed, but would simply subsist with those wounds remaining, unless they would have naturally healed by themselves. It seems that Kensei's sort of "immortality" (or regeneration, we are still uncertain of its precise definition), pertains more to the ability to maintain a static constitution, within certain boundaries. If his arm is lopped off, his power will allow him to regenerate it to return to his static state. If his power was the sort of "immortality" mentioned above, where the only criteria was life itself, he would simply lose his arm, but keep his life, the only thing that that limited definition of immortality would guarantee. It would seem, however, that if someone destroyed the part of him that allows him to return to that static state, his brain, then his power would cease to function, and he would die. Therefore, decapitating Kensei would not kill him, but destroying his brain completely would. However, there is another definition of Kensei's power, apart from simply living, or the ability to return to a defined state, that would make him completely impervious to any means to stop him, actual immortality. If we accepted that his power was actual immortality, it would have to imply that the means to that ability, the brain, was impossible to destroy.

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Barogrei
As far as the plausibility of regenerating the entire body when detached from the head, and where all of the matter or energy would come from, are all of the powers that we encountered plausible by that criteria? Lol, point noted.:lol:

I still doubt Claire's body would grow back from only her head, but that doesn't mean Claire shouldn't give it a try...lol

[Barogrei]

I take it you're not a Claire fan, lol. However, seeing as the nature of her power can regenerate a toe, I don't see why it wouldn't be able to regenerate the whole body, provided the source of its power was still intact (the brain).

[Mischael12]

THe best way to test i say is to lock him up in a chamber that is completely airless, and see if he can survive.

[jazzylg]

Did anyone here see Species 2? When the astronaut( the new species male) blew his own head off with a shotgun, it completely regenerated! The only thing that was different was his personalty took an extreme nosedive. I can't wait to see what the extent of damage occured after peter went nuke in tommorow's episode. I'm not to sure about the 'brain theory' anymore. Seeing that claire's limb replacement ability would theoreticly be simlar to the species character. Thus, the same for peter as well. When they said 'indestructable cheerleader', they meant it literally!

[kazek]

Originally posted by Mischael12
THe best way to test i say is to lock him up in a chamber that is completely airless, and see if he can survive.

:rotfl: He'll probably pass out for a while but he can be resuscitated. Is that coming back to life, I don't know...

Immortality is kind of like immunity to death but does that mean invincibility ? For example if I cut off his head, would it grow back ?

It probably wouldn't because powers are influenced by the brain. So say cut him from his chest downwards and separate his upper body from the lower part, would the lower body grow back ?

Originally posted by jazzylg
I can't wait to see what the extent of damage occured after peter went nuke in tommorow's episode.

Why do you think any damage occured ?

When Ted used his powers, he never suffered any injuries. Even in 'Company Man' where he was out of control he didn't suffer any injuries. I don't think Ted's power causes any harm to the user. That being said, a Peter without the ability to regenerate would be safe.

[Mischael12]

It wouldn't grow back, but if he was to be put on top of that part or have it reitach it would heal.

[Ginx]

I would say that whatever Kensei's power it is now part of Peter - whether that is just regeneration on a massive level or being immortal - hurray - always gonna have my Peter around :)

[Xanderman]

Originally posted by Ginx
whether that is just regeneration on a massive level or being immortal - hurray - always gonna have my Peter around :) Not necessarily, personally I think the power must be always on for the "forever young" thing to work. However Peter is different from the original power holders, he must activate powers to use them, through his emotions or something along those lines (or by simply being near the power holder). The way he accesses abilities is different from the way the original power holders do.