The writers are listening

[SOnMyChest]

For seven years we have ranted and raved that this Clana stuff needs to be over with, in order for our boy in blue to get closer to his destiny. In this episode the whole warrior angle story followed that. "Loose your girlfriend, save the world" (no heroes pun intented). Now this movie worker/warrior angle comic fan sees Clark stop the bullet. He follows the same storyline he needs to get rid of Lana so Clark can become who he needs to be. It seems to me that this movie worker is representative of all of us believers of Clarks Destiny Progression! Now the big kick in the ass that we get is Clarks udder disrespect for such an iconic part of his costume, wether or not that actually cape becomes his cape. It is still disrespectful to us fans to see something so symbolic, simply disregarded. The metaphor there is he chooses Lana or his destiny! Seriously guys is there a petition we need to start signing?? Seven years of the same crap! Lana or his destiny, ok ok...it was cute the first 3-4 maybe 5 seasons. But for crying out loud! YOU BUILT A FRIGGIN FORTESS IN THE NORTH POLE OUT OF A PIECE OF CRYSTAL AND YOUR FROM ANOTHER PLANET! so why not start thinking a bit more outside the box?
Now for all you people who are going to say stop watching...im not im always gonna watch Smallville. My only hope here is that if anybody in TPTB read these forums will see this and maybe take it for whats its worth.


P.S. For those who are going to watch it tonight, you will understand.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I dont necessarily think they are mocking the fan. Theyre probably mocking themselves. If you watch the episode, Clana is obviously the main loser, as their love is not strong enough to defeat Lana's demons from last season.

Its a slow progression but im sure theyll get there soon. Lana's hate for Lex is overshadowing her 'love' for Clark.

Clark is at least taking more initiative to help people..and sooner or later, he'll realise he has the power to change the world.

He needs to go through this whole relationship with lana so that there will be no doubt in his mind when he does decide to pursue his destiny and be with someone else (i.e. Lois) :-)

[wolverine316]

Pretty much yes. What they are saying is that you all whine and complain but most of you come back week after week so who is the fool?

[kryptonaidxh]

:) ;) well, she´s not his destiny, Lois is his love destiny, that´s why he ends with Lois, because she´s the true love., and he doesn´t have to choose between being a hero or marry Lois, he will have both.:D

[Ilovebeinglost]

Yes that's how I saw it.

And so they should because that's how fans are divided and the writers producers are loving it.

[SOnMyChest]

Originally posted by wolverine316
Pretty much yes. What they are saying is that you all whine and complain but most of you come back week after week so who is the fool?

I KNOWWWW I KNOWWW!!!! IM THE BIGGEST FOOL! LOL well atleast im not alone...I have all you krypto friends fooling it up beside me...LOL

[paolinki25]

Yeah, of course they are. I felt the episode (from what I've watched and read about it) seems like a big "F*ck you" to all the fans.

[theotherJane]

^
He did an interview, confirming that's what this episode is supposed to be about. Just some lighthearted (or not), making-fun-of.

[Honey45]

Who cares, it's their show.

They're just joking around with the fact that so many people complained about Lois being in Clark's life so early and Lana still being in his life now.

I don't care if they mock the fans. Some people are so ignorant and rude towards AlMiles, they deserve to get a slap in the face. It's their show, they can do what they want. They're not manipulating the mythos as some people try to make it sound like.
If you hate it so much, don't watch it.

[Dee]

LOL, they are so mocking us!

In the loft, after Rachel leaves Clark and Lana, Lana reports that Chloe found one potential stalker by looking online at some website site.

Clark said something to the effect of: forums, boards, websites! This is pretty intense and these people are obsessed.

I don't think it was their intention to be creuk, but that is Al&Miles (and to a certain extent the cast), laughing at us.

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Who cares, it's their show.

They're just joking around with the fact that so many people complained about Lois being in Clark's life so early and Lana still being in his life now.

Legitimate complaints to many. I wouldn't mind this 'poking fun' if they didn't make their disregard for fans of the show blatant in their interviews. They come across as very ignorant and condescending at times.

Yes, it's their show but it wouldn't still be on the air without the fans.

It's their show, they can do what they want.

Just as there are complaints the about the Lana and Lois aspects , a lot of people complained about the Lexana arc and TPTB even acknowledged that so it's not just one fan group complaining about stuff that thay dislike and it would be nice if that was remembered. Certain fangroups that are happy this season were not last year (at this this point in the season) and they also made their discontent known and heard.

AlMiles are popular depending on what direction the show is going in. If it is going the way you want it to then you will have no reason to complain and they are doing a good job. If it isn't, then they are the devil's spawn...

[JorEl23]

I have not yet seen the episode but (for one of the rare times) hats off to the Goughlars if they are making fun of the onslaught of Clana haters. It's so pathetic to hear you folks whine every second in every forum about how Smallville sucks because they've opted to make Clark's iconic first love be one of the main themes of the show. I would actually be less irritated by it if these people would open their eyes to all the greatness in the story that they insist is negated by the trials and tribulations of Clana. This show has had much WORSE plotlines/characterizations, etc that it has weathered than Clana being an extended soap opera and yet alot of people want to commiserate on it. I'm sorry but, the weak acting/repetetive FOTW's from S1, the whiny, needy, annoying Chloe from S1&2, the introduction of Jason Teague and idiotic Isobel arc from S4, the horrific Zod introduction, and don't even get me started on lighswitch Lexana after a brilliant start to S5 were all FAR more grueling to endure than Clana even if it lasts to the series finale IMO. Smallville is by no means perfect but if you look at the story as a whole and it continues to head in the direction it appears to be heading this year, it deserves my love :D and should deserve all of ours regardless of ship...

[thehenry89]

I anint seen the ep yet, but i'm right there with all the other fools. we at k-site are a ship of fools, as is the entire fandom. i may hate clana (and lana), but i still love SV and always will.:cool:

[dh1031]

I think it boils down to the face that TPTB don't take the show as seriously as some fans do. I'm sure the attempt at making fun of the fans in the episode was not intended as malice. I've always liked Smallville because it is supposed to be a different take/interpretation on the story of Clark Kent growing up/into the man he will become. I've also loved the promise of "no tights", while I understand peoples fixation on an iconic symbol - producing the show sans tights IMO adds a little more realism to the story. Anyhow, I'm completely obsessed with the show anyhow (great cast, great writing) but one thing I've learned through my years is that people will make fun of you at somepoint - the key is to not let it tear you down.

[Kyogre]

YES!

[superaussiebabe]

Originally posted by SOnMyChest
For seven years we have ranted and raved that this Clana stuff needs to be over with, in order for our boy in blue to get closer to his destiny. In this episode the whole warrior angle story followed that. "Loose your girlfriend, save the world" (no heroes pun intented). Now this movie worker/warrior angle comic fan sees Clark stop the bullet. He follows the same storyline he needs to get rid of Lana so Clark can become who he needs to be. It seems to me that this movie worker is representative of all of us believers of Clarks Destiny Progression! Now the big kick in the ass that we get is Clarks udder disrespect for such an iconic part of his costume, wether or not that actually cape becomes his cape. It is still disrespectful to us fans to see something so symbolic, simply disregarded. The metaphor there is he chooses Lana or his destiny! Seriously guys is there a petition we need to start signing?? Seven years of the same crap! Lana or his destiny, ok ok...it was cute the first 3-4 maybe 5 seasons. But for crying out loud! YOU BUILT A FRIGGIN FORTESS IN THE NORTH POLE OUT OF A PIECE OF CRYSTAL AND YOUR FROM ANOTHER PLANET! so why not start thinking a bit more outside the box?
Now for all you people who are going to say stop watching...im not im always gonna watch Smallville. My only hope here is that if anybody in TPTB read these forums will see this and maybe take it for whats its worth.


P.S. For those who are going to watch it tonight, you will understand.


OMG... ovbiously Lana knows that he is meant for greater things and IN TIME he'll realise that... LANA and CLARK aren't meant to be together, Lois and Clark are...

So i'm quite certain that Al and Miles have already thought of a way for Clark to make the big decision of leaving the "love of his life" to put his powers to good use.... Clark still doesn't understand... he will

JUST PAITENCE PEOPLE PAITENCE!!!!

[Absentee]

^^Are you kidding me? They're all impatient! :rotfl:

Seriously, if you guys are all eager to see Superman then watch Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman because you're not going to get what you ultimately want out this show. Not yet anyway.

And all the b*tching and moaning is getting so old. It was fine in the beginning but now it's just annoying. Kinda like a broken record player.

[skully]

Ah, ya just gotta love the passion of SV fans.

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

Did anyone notice the ironies ...they were mentioning Forums and how fans didn't like the superhero's love interest ..like in k-site .most people want Lana dead....things like that..Arwe the writer's turning to K-site for ideas ? hmm if so then I want my royalties $$:lol:

[DentonSuperMan]

The reference to Warrior Angel message borders not always liking the writers inturperation of the comics was just too true.

Also who here likes the idea of a message board fanatic as the bad guy

[Dodge006]

Originally posted by WELLINGWIFE#2
Did anyone notice the ironies ...they were mentioning Forums and how fans didn't like the superhero's love interest ..like in k-site .most people want Lana dead....things like that..Arwe the writer's turning to K-site for ideas ? hmm if so then I want my royalties $$:lol:

Exactly what we were talking about in another thread, but it needs it's own. AND yeah I need my royalty too (heavy vet bill to pay, lol).:mad:

[uhhuhhim]

And I need my vicodin prescriptions (4 of them) filled....Not really...just kidding :D

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

well the whole Lana thing seems to be inspired sort of from here too..I mean TPTB have noticed that Lana is not very well liked ..so ..they kill her ..clone her ..and bring her back ..but this time she's evil ...umm..what other types of Lana can they bring back..maybe we should make a list for them :lol:

[Bosrudorfer]

I want to see KK fully naked... haven't seen that happen yet.... but theres hope if your right :D

[Dodge006]

Originally posted by Bosrudorfer
I want to see KK fully naked... haven't seen that happen yet.... but theres hope if your right :D

You know what? I'd put up with Lana for the rest of the season if that happens.:D

[Heroes4Hire]

I thought that was funny when they were talking about forums I was like hey that's k-site and I started to laugh it was a funny moment

[Barbara]

Originally posted by WELLINGWIFE#2
Did anyone notice the ironies ...they were mentioning Forums and how fans didn't like the superhero's love interest ..like in k-site .most people want Lana dead....things like that..Arwe the writer's turning to K-site for ideas ? hmm if so then I want my royalties $$:lol:

Uh. Well... They very well could have been reading this site and the comments the fans have made about Lana. But it sure does seem you are missing the subtext here. They basically said that those fans were deranged lunatics. :)

[redeem147]

I enjoyed all the fandom/show metaphor in this episode.

I was afraid the writers were going to leave Clark on the farm forever, but it's was obvious (since Warrior Angel is just Smallville with costumes and a bald superhero - wait a minute) that they know they can't do that.

The whole 'kill the girlfriend' thing makes me think they're well aware that there's a large and vocal part of Smallville fandom that can't stand Lana. Interesting that they cast an actress as the actress who bore some resemblance to Kristen Kruek.

So, whether the writers agree with the fans or not (and they aren't obligated to) I do think they're aware of the fandom discussions. It gives me hope.

[Randy G.]

I totally agree. ;)

[fxrsteve]

Who hates Lana?

[DestinyFan]

I agree! It looks like they are trying to accomodate us!

[foreversmallville]

You people are sad.

[superspider02]

yea i loved the comic/fandom metaphors was cool. I do personally wish lana was gone cause he character has been crap the past few seasons only time i liked her was season 1 and some of season 2 the rest of the seasons they never knew what the heck to do with her.

[Minela]

Originally posted by fxrsteve
Who hates Lana?

Welcome to the boards. You will find there is a lot of Lana hatered around here. Let me start by introducing myself. Hi. My name is Minela and I'm a Lana hater. I wish she would fall into a tub of acid. How are you? :D

[Dodge006]

Originally posted by fxrsteve
Who hates Lana?

My senses drew me here because someone said HATE and LANA in the same sentence.

[liebevision]

and it sorta looked like this forum too

[Coyote]

Yeah, that fanboy's demented rantings about how the girlfriend must die so the superhero can find his "destiny" is pretty much identical to silly stuff I've seen here a few thousand times. There's no question where the writers got their inspiration.

[foreversmallville]

Originally posted by Barbara
Uh. Well... They very well could have been reading this site and the comments the fans have made about Lana. But it sure does seem you are missing the subtext here. They basically said that those fans were deranged lunatics. :)


Exactly!!! They listen to this sight...and then give Lana more of a storyline. Keep talking about Lana. The writers know Lana is the most popular character on Smallville. Just come to this site and Lana's name is in more topic headings than any other character. LOL

[Alexander III]

Lana is the most popular character on Smallville? I thought it was Lex!

[MetroGirl06]

If they are getting inspiration from us, then we should take advantage...


HEY SMALLVILLE DUDES! CLARK HAS TO FLY ALREADY!


I think they've been inspired. :D

[redeem147]

Most of the people I know who watch Smallville and don't post here (lj friends, real life friends) can't stand Lana. That could be because they tend to be older than the people on this board, though I see I lot of Lana dislike here too.

[curiosity]

Originally posted by WELLINGWIFE#2
Did anyone notice the ironies ...they were mentioning Forums and how fans didn't like the superhero's love interest ..like in k-site .most people want Lana dead....things like that..Arwe the writer's turning to K-site for ideas ? hmm if so then I want my royalties $$:lol:

It kinda seemed that way.

[iheartCK4eva]

HI THERE I LOVE LONG WALKS ON THE BEACH, LOOKING UP AT THE STARS OH YEAH AND DID I MENTION I HATE THAT BIATCH LANA!

[Coyote]

Yes, they were inspired by us, and they obviously think we're nuts who belong in a place like Belle Reeve. And they're probably right.....

[Randy G.]

Let's all try to resist the character bashing, and telling other posters they're "sad." Please stick to the subject.

Thanks! ;)

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by Coyote
Yeah, that fanboy's demented rantings about how the girlfriend must die so the superhero can find his "destiny" is pretty much identical to silly stuff I've seen here a few thousand times. There's no question where the writers got their inspiration.

:lol:

I don't know how anyone can find Ben a flattering portrait of SV fandom.

The dude was repeatedly called crazy and psycho and delusional and ended up in Belle Reeve.

[biggkoz]

Blogs,message boards haha

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

that's exactly what I mean...on another thread someone said that TPTB had said on an interview that this epi was sort of poking fun at the whole forum , fans thing...I don't hink in a bad way ..maybe poking fun at themselves...didn't TW say once in an interview that Al & Miles have someone that is constantly on the boards ......and yes the "psycho' guy was the one that made actual common sence ...His little speech is how most of us feel about the show....DOes that mean they think we are pycho ..hmm it better not be..We are the ones that watch the show and give them ratings right?

[uhhuhhim]

They may be "listening," such as listening to a radio in the background while driving, but that doesn't mean they "hear" us and will give us what we want. Just sayin...

[SlickBlonde]

Originally posted by Kid Collins
:lol:

I don't know how anyone can find Ben a flattering portrait of SV fandom.

The dude was repeatedly called crazy and psycho and delusional and ended up in Belle Reeve.

True, however, they make it clear he was right as well. hence the seen of clark walking AWAY from the cape after that conversation of his unwavering devotion to lana

[redeem147]

Like I said, I don't think they're obligated to give us what we want. I don't even necessarily think they should. I like know they're aware of what we want.

Though what we want, according to the various posts I read here, is Clark to end up with Lana/Lois/Chloe/Lex.... He's gonna need a bigger bed.

[Thil_EL]

..that they cast an actress as the actress who bore some resemblance to Kristen Kruek.


I'm sorry.... WHAT?

[redeem147]

I thought she looked a bit like Lana. Petite features, dark hair...

[uhhuhhim]

Yeah, she did KIND OF resemble Lana, but I think most of us want to see Lana and Clark as friends only.

[MetroGirl06]

Belle Reeve is that nice hotel with the padded walls and the hourly cocktail drinks, right? I've stayed there a while. Nice people. I even got to keep one of their complimentary robes that hug you!

[Randy G.]

Originally posted by redeem147
...Though what we want, according to the various posts I read here, is Clark to end up with Lana/Lois/Chloe/Lex.... He's gonna need a bigger bed.

Now that's funny. :lol:
Might save that episode for one of the pay-per-view Spice channels though. :rotfl:

[Thil_EL]

Originally posted by redeem147
I thought she looked a bit like Lana. Petite features, dark hair...
I really didn't see any resemblance
but i totally agree about what you're saying! At least now we know that they know that Lana is a distraction.

Lets just hope that there will be an episode in the future that mainly deals with this issue and by the end of the episdoe Clark would have a different opinion about it!

[uhhuhhim]

Spice channel? They don't show ANYTHING...They better move it to HBO...I think the bed should be "round" so that Clark can just lay in the center...;)

[Kid Collins]

Originally posted by uhhuhhim
Yeah, she did KIND OF resemble Lana, but I think most of us want to see Lana and Clark as friends only.


Rachel looked nothing like Lana. The only thing they had in common is that they both had brown hair.

Lana has high cheekbones and fine features. Rachel had a rounder face and not fine featured.

They look nothing alike.

[krpto]

I think they should have cast craig though

or at least had the message boards be part of warriorsite.com

[Crispin Glover]

redeem147, great thread to start.

However, it seems to be getting off topic. I think that this was an impressive episode. There were a lot of shout outs to "Smallville" fans. I was most impressed by the littlest thing in the first couple of minutes. It's when Kara was mentioned. I'm loving this new found continuity this season. It is by far the best the show has ever done, and I think this season is looking to be up there with 2 and 3 when "Smallville" was in its prime.

[xrayvision]

This site was the first thing I thought of when that fanboy said that.

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

Well if the writers are right then most of us belong there ..:lol: :lol: Hey i need a nice vaca ..if they'll paid for it I'm for it!!:lol:

[fxrsteve]

If they really are listening...Please tell everybody that Lana is a clone

Originally posted by Crispin Glover
redeem147, great thread to start.

However, it seems to be getting off topic. I think that this was an impressive episode. There were a lot of shout outs to "Smallville" fans. I was most impressed by the littlest thing in the first couple of minutes. It's when Kara was mentioned. I'm loving this new found continuity this season. It is by far the best the show has ever done, and I think this season is looking to be up there with 2 and 3 when "Smallville" was in its prime.
I agree

[simaozinho200]

thats probably ture because we have come up with some good ideas

[Crispin Glover]

I don't want any royalties, just a credit at the end. Maybe creative consultant (Kryptonsite Fans.)

[superspider02]

yea i did like the forum thing it was a nice shout out to us fans and the forum sites and all that.

[jimmyolsenblues]

wow. i totaly took this episode as a message from AlMiles , that no matter how much we scream , they are the powers that be, and they decide what happens.
The writing of the episode to show fanaticism , I really felt could be taken to the fans of smallville, and I know that a lot of fans of smallville are right here on Kryptonsite.com

[Ilovebeinglost]

They certainly are aware of this site because the site creator was on the season 6 DVD talking about it

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

I will take the credits at the end too no $$ needed just "creative consultant credit " K-site Members

[paolinki25]

Well, if that were the case, I think they would have gotten rid of Lana a long time ago. :lol:

[SteveS]

Yep, I did think they were very clearly referencing the forums.

[savingpeoplething]

Originally posted by SteveS
Yep, I did think they were very clearly referencing the forums.

Me, too.
It definitely seemed like they were making a shout-out to forums and fans.

[adromidon]

I noticed that when they showed the print out of the "mocked up forums" it looked as though they modified the forum header here if you look closely it almost looks like the navigation bar at the top of this site. I wonder is they worked with Craig to get info on the forums and ideas for the warrior angel sotry within the smallville story

[SolShine7]

Originally posted by WELLINGWIFE#2
Did anyone notice the ironies ...they were mentioning Forums and how fans didn't like the superhero's love interest ..like in k-site .most people want Lana dead....things like that..Arwe the writer's turning to K-site for ideas ? hmm if so then I want my royalties $$:lol:

Yeah, I agree. And they also gave a nod to all us bloggers. It was too funny. Good job to the writers!!!

http://scifijournalist.blogspot.com

[Bosrudorfer]

Having seen it now wow low blow. Basically calling us crazy

[adromidon]

i think your reading to much into it really. they are using that as a referance to some of us that are a little..........extreme at times with their points of view

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

It was funny. They were making fun of us!

[LKent113]

I thought it was a good reference to the boards, aside from the psycho killer part, lol, but I had to Laugh when they were refering to the the message board bashing warrior angel's love interest...could that have been reference to The whole Clana/ Lana haters out there? Its one of the big topics and Al and miles know it, maybe they addressed it in that way, since it seemed warrior angel was mirroring the Smallville/Superman mytho.

[xrayvision]

I was laughing my ass off when Lana (whose 'ships she was involved with led to a decline of the mythology of this show) was talking about mythology taking a back seat. I posted several posts here venting my frustrations on the lack of the mythos that once graced this show and hearing that line from her was very ironic. Thankfully the mythos this season has improved.

[Superbeard]

I hear that.

It feels like every episode they're finally responding piece by piece.

And, of all people, LANA told him to forget her and get a move-on. That made me happy.

[CLanaF23]

i actually love Lana sooo yea...

[Superbeard]

Whether you like her or not, you'd think she'd be the last person to tell him that he had to look past her when they're both finally getting everything they ever wanted.

[red_cape_7]

"blogs, fansites, message boards? those are pretty extreme" -clark

nice little tongue-in-cheek! i think the writers enjoyed the hell out of putting that line in there. :)

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

The biggest top big things we talk about on Smallville on forum websites are hating Lana, and Clana, making him fly already please, couples, seeing Welling in tights, starting his training soon. Lana dying. What else?

They were definetly thinking of Kryptonsite.

[Who]

Great shout out to the fans. Couldn't help but notice that the main villain in the episode is a fan. What exactly are they trying to tell us? :D

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by Who
Great shout out to the fans. Couldn't help but notice that the main villain in the episode is a fan. What exactly are they trying to tell us? :D

:lol: yeah, they could be trying to tell us all that we're nuts!;) :lol:

[Coyote]

Exactly

[Khyla]

Originally posted by redeem147
I enjoyed all the fandom/show metaphor in this episode.
...
The whole 'kill the girlfriend' thing makes me think they're well aware that there's a large and vocal part of Smallville fandom that can't stand Lana. ...

So, whether the writers agree with the fans or not (and they aren't obligated to) I do think they're aware of the fandom discussions. It gives me hope.
Oh, I'm certain of it! :D



Originally posted by fxrsteve
Who hates Lana?
:rotfl:

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
:lol: yeah, they could be trying to tell us all that we're nuts!;) :lol:

well..... we all are..... aren't we? :)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Who
Great shout out to the fans. Couldn't help but notice that the main villain in the episode is a fan. What exactly are they trying to tell us? :D

That we're all crazy (like how the fan went to Belle Reve) and should shut up and let the hero (Al/Miles) do his (their) stuff?
;)

[Brizzle]

Originally posted by Who
Great shout out to the fans. Couldn't help but notice that the main villain in the episode is a fan. What exactly are they trying to tell us? :D

They are trying to tell us that we ain't gonna get we want, and they are prolly making a big joke out of us in this episode, since this episode related a lot to what many fans on this board say which is "Lana is evil, Clark needs to give her up, Lana is holding Clark back, Clark needs to save the world".

If you think about it these things are constantly said by fans on this site.

[theotherJane]

Originally posted by Brizzle
They are trying to tell us that we ain't gonna get we want, and they are prolly making a big joke out of us in this episode, since this episode related a lot to what many fans on this board say which is "Lana is evil, Clark needs to give her up, Lana is holding Clark back, Clark needs to save the world".

If you think about it these things are constantly said by fans on this site.

We may not get exactly what we want, but you can't deny that they haven't given it thought, even if in the end they completely ignore us. ;)

I don't agree with the Lana is holding Clark back. Clark is holding himself back. It was evident in this episode that she clearly gives him a choice to fulfill his destiny, but he is the one who says that he's got everything he's ever wanted. So not really her fault. As Lois would say, someone's "not really thinking with his big brain."

[constantine]

I suppose it hasn't ocurred to anyone that this was yet another lana episode...without the lana so much. Right?

[xrayvision]

I didn't think this was a Lana episode. I thought this was an episode about Clark's & Lex's destinies as most Warrior Angel episodes are about. I loved Lex comparing himself to people who save the world as being destined to be alone. Everyone initially thinks of Clark when that line was said, but if you really dig in and see how Lex antogonized Lana with the tactics he used to the point where she left him, you will see that he thinks of himself as the lonely hero.

[DentonSuperMan]

no doubt

[citizenlen]

It's not Lana holding Clark back. It's Clark's fantasy of living a normal life that will parallel to his parents that's holding him back. He wants what his mother and father had. Normalcy. What he's been craving since S1.

I thought this was a *****slap on the fans and that the joke is on the Clana haters. An obsesses fan who lives vicariously through a comic hero and wants the hero to end up following the mythos. Then at the end Clark leaving the red cape and following Lana to the house. I think this episode shows what the TPTB wants- Clark made his choice.

[ginnyfan]

I laughed till I cried at Clark's comment about the difficulty of narrowing the fans down to one psycho. LOL!

I don't think it's a coincidence that the craziest geek is a part of the production crew. LOL!

[Randy G.]

I loved it! I saw this as sort of a "wink-wink" homeage to the message board fans.
Some people were offended by the comments & premise of the storyline, but I'm sure it wasn't intended to put fans down. :)

[smallvillerocks45]

I instantly thought of Ksite when they mentioned a message board. Now, I would hope that in real life it isn't that easy to track members down...and that no one around is so into the story that they would literally kill an actor (that was quite extreme), but other than that, the reference was awesome. It makes me proud to be a member of this wonderful board! We gave tptb something to write about! :D

[ginnyfan]

I didn't think of it as mocking.

I found it REALLY funny. LOL!

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

for the sake of all that is good and holy (i aint religious) clark accepted his destiny in "fallout" and proceeded to follow this destiny by going for his training in "kara"

this ep was simply to laugh at the moaners who want clark to move on with his destiny

[falcon64z8]

Are you gonna be that crazy fan guy from the episode?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Originally posted by falcon64z8
Are you gonna be that crazy fan guy from the episode?

:lol: thats funny, your a funny guy did you know that :lol:

[Randy G.]

No way. It's being taken waaaay to seriously.
It was lighthearted and meant to be more of an acknowledgement of fans & their sometimes total immersement in the characters of the show. If the portrayl makes some fans this angry, then isn't that just adding credibility to the obsessed fan theory? :lol:

It's supposed to be a "wink-wink.... we read the message boards" kind of thing. Nothing more. ;)

[curiosity]

It was a wink to fans.

[vikingjedi]

Clark's destiny is to be alone because everybody he loves will die. Its his biggest fear, thats why it has been so hard for him to embrace it

The cape represents his future. A future he has to choose on his own. Right now he's not ready to do that because he loves Lana

Funny thing is Lana tried to let him go but he wouldnt let her. It has to be a choice that is made not because he has to, but because he wants to

[Tacitus]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
Clark's destiny is to be alone because everybody he loves will die. Its his biggest fear, thats why it has been so hard for him to embrace it

The cape represents his future. A future he has to choose on his own. Right now he's not ready to do that because he loves Lana

Funny thing is Lana tried to let him go but he wouldnt let her. It has to be a choice that is made not because he has to, but because he wants to

That's exactly how I saw it too.

On a side note. I don't think they were mocking us, but like Randy said, it was a wink-wink. At least that's how I took it.

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by Tacitus
That's exactly how I saw it too.

On a side note. I don't think they were mocking us, but like Randy said, it was a wink-wink. At least that's how I took it.

Yep I don't think they were mocking us either. It was actually kind of a shout out to the fans on the boards I think

[Ultron]

It was two things:

1) A wink to the fans.

2) An explicit spelling out to the characters of the stakes here. Clark must embrace his destiny, and in turn leave Lana behind. It's basically something that's been hinted the entire series, and Clark needs to face it soon enough.

[redtee]

The comic fan was not representative of Smallville fans - well not the 'normal' Smallville fans anyway. I'm glad he left the red cape on the fence...I know ultimately this series will end when Clark becomes superman - this will have to be the ultimate best episode finale ever...but I don't want us to get to it at the end of Season 7! I want one more season - season 8 - he'll be approx 22 going on 23...he can step up then and give up those he loves to give himself to the world. If he starts picking up capes now and treating them reverently he's heading down the path a bit quicker than a S8 timeframe. I think this ep was more anti-Clana than Clana - for the simple examples of Lana's dark obsessions, Lionel's warning and her attempt to make Clark realise that she shouldn't be the one holding him back from the world. Ok it was a half hearted attempt but it shows she knows it's gonna happen one day. Apart from the Lex/Lionel/Lana scenes I thought this was a light and fluffy tribute to Smallville fandom albeit a less than subtle salute to the extremes of feelings fans have for their shows. I have my own thoughts, opinions and ideas about what I think certain story arcs should shape up to be and how they pan out. It doesn't mean I get all pissy when the show doesn't go that way....it's completely unrealistic to expect that. ...enjoy the ride or what's left of it....and fingers crossed for Season 8.

[redeem147]

I might agree, citizenlen, except that there's still at least most of one season left, and perhaps another. Clark made a choice in this episode, but I don't think he's done making choices.

Which is something that must be very difficult for the writers - keeping to at least some aspect of the Superman mythos, while maintaining the internal integrity of their pre-Superman series and the way Smallville has been set up with it's own mythology.

[ClarksNextGF]

So, when Chloe showed Clark the printout - Did anyone else expect to see K-site ?? I thought for sure it would at least be red & yellow...

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by citizenlen
[B]I thought this was a *****slap on the fans and that the joke is on the Clana haters. An obsesses fan who lives vicariously through a comic hero and wants the hero to end up following the mythos. [B]

I saw it this way too. A lot of people found the meta humour funny in this episode, I found it to be mean spirited. No one can dislike Lana for legitimate reasons and anyone who disagrees with their vision of her is obviously a nut job :\ They showed with CM's character that it's not really about the hero or his former best friend but all about the girl in the middle.

[redeem147]

I didn't get a sense that the PA didn't like the character of the girlfriend in the story, but didn't like that the writers had changed the continuity in the film. Now, that may mean they are going to make Clark stay on the farm with Lana forever - I doubt it, but it could.

But I have seen in other fandoms (Beauty and the Beast, Buffy for example) where rabid fans went way over the top. I'm sure Steve DeKnight (who used to write for Smallville) would understand, after the reaction to Tara's death in some of Buffy fandom. I have no problem with the writers parodying that.

But I still think that this episode of Smallville shows that the writers are aware of what the fans are saying about storylines and characters, and a well-reasoned argument is not necessarily falling on deaf ears. Whether they listen, then incorporate what they've heard is their business.

[nickyjean_1]

Just so you know I haven't got past the 1st page of the board before I had to say something..

I just need to point out that once Clark embraces his destiny then it's not Smallville anymore it's Superman. This is the story of Clarks journey to become who he is. He's being told all the time he's destined for more.. and he hasn't chased after it. It's not because of Lana, this fear never has been.. It's because no one likes to think they don't control their future and Clark is no different. His choices that make him become Superman are choices he would have made because of the man that Martha and Johnathan raised him to be.. but he's not seeing that.. He sees it as Jor-el insisting he could and should be more because he's powerful not because he's good. Clarks been given the impression in the past that he's supposed to be king of the world and rule with because he's a Kryptonian heir and by such better then others. He's felt that he's expected to be a tyrant not a Hero.

I mean look at Kara, she sees herself above humans because of her lineage and powers, it's not that far fetched that the impress Clarks getting is the same.. and this is what clark IMO is really hiding from.. If anything Lana's an excuse not a reason.

Once Clark understands his destiny isn't to be the Kryptonian protogy or some ruler but to be the hero that saves the world, I'm pretty sure he'll do that. But the tragedy of Lana and Clark wouldn't be what it is if something didn't end things.. and Lana's 'flexible morales' and Clarks need to be black and white in his (because of his obvious over balance of power) is what's going to separate them in the end and that won't have anything to do with clark's destiny but the person he is..

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by DGirlLois4Clark
I dont necessarily think they are mocking the fan. Theyre probably mocking themselves.

I think it's both, rightfully so. TPTB have never been above self-deprecating humor (just listen to the Thirst commmentary). It's about time they give the fans a friendly but firm push back for all the whining they've endured.

[margroks]

Sure they're mocking the fans. They'vce mocked us for seven seasons as they disrespect the legend left and right. It was disrespectful of the legend to have Clark sleep with this nasty girl, retconned into claiming she always loved him which was utter crap if you watch the show since we've been shown she hated people who are different from the beginning. It's been disrespectful to the legend to have Clark behave as a philandering jerk last season with another man's GF/wife; it's disrespectful to the legend to make eveything on the show about Lana and reduce Lex and Clark to two guys whining and fighting over who gets this horrible girl who has no redeeming qualities on Smallville or in the comics.

So what;'s new? The producers have never respected their fans and they forget who watches and who buys the merchandise and DVDs. This is nothing new. To have Clark abandon his destiny for this awful girl just as he abandoned the cape (it was a thoughtful gift and he couls have respected that much but he didn't) every single year because he wants to be normal and Lana represents that is stupid and unheroic and fans have had enough. However, Goughlar do not appear to care. Even ratings slides don;t matter; all we get is more sickening Clana every year.

ANd don;t even get me started on the supposed Lois Lane who isn't. That is another diss to the legend and it's no wojnder people don''t buy EDLois as the real deal, asd this ep showed her lack of anything truly Loisy once again.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by margroks
Sure they're mocking the fans. They'vce mocked us for seven seasons as they disrespect the legend left and right.

I dub thee Devilicus_Rebel.

(In case anyone is too slow to get the reference it was the screen name of the crazed fan who got locked up in Belle Reve.)

Statements like the one above are EXACTLY what they were mocking with this episode.

[petewillreturn]

Originally posted by red_cape_7
"blogs, fansites, message boards? those are pretty extreme" -clark

nice little tongue-in-cheek! i think the writers enjoyed the hell out of putting that line in there. :)

I think they did too. The main point of the psycho fan was that the movie wasn’t going according to canon but I don’t think that is what the majority hate but just the clana story line that has been the same for seven years without any growth in the characters.

[Humdinger]

At last night's finale my son said that's so wrong, Clark's like, "Yeah, I'll go call my people and have them ship in a bull." I agree with SOnmychest, it's disprespectful of an icon of the genre. As far as AlMiles goes, yeah, it was a shot at the fans, definitely. But we won't quit, that's for sure, and it's not because we're stupid, we're loyal. When this series ends, I doubt AlMiles will ever have another success like this one.

[adromidon]

lol

[Kyogre]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Who cares, it's their show.

They're just joking around with the fact that so many people complained about Lois being in Clark's life so early and Lana still being in his life now.

I don't care if they mock the fans. Some people are so ignorant and rude towards AlMiles, they deserve to get a slap in the face. It's their show, they can do what they want. They're not manipulating the mythos as some people try to make it sound like.
If you hate it so much, don't watch it.

AMEN!

[ajfinn]

Clark was told by Jor-El to stay where he was because Kara IS the beginning of his training. I thought that was a really big miss on the writers' part to not have Clark mention that to Martian Manhunter in last week's episode.

Clark IS training, and he knows it. Yes, I'm sure Lana has a big part in making him happy while he's around, but in the back of his mind, he knows he'll be leaving one day. I think to him though, training means like a two month boot camp. How could he guess that it will be over a decade?

I like how Lana already realizes she can't keep him to herself, no matter how much she wants to, and is anticipating the day that he'll realize that as well.

Clark is only 20. I think it's taken most of us longer than that to realize what we want to be "when we grow up" and stop messing around and getting down to the business of being a truly responsible adult - one who puts others before themselves.

And Clark already does that much more often than I'm sure most of US do.

[STFanatic]

Which makes me wonder why Clark didn't go to Jor-el and tattle on her.
(In a BDA whiney voice)
"Daddy, Kara ran away, and didn't come back".

[Mello Penelo]

They weren't listening. They were mocking.

[Khyla]

Originally posted by Randy G.
I loved it! I saw this as sort of a "wink-wink" homeage to the message board fans.
Some people were offended by the comments & premise of the storyline, but I'm sure it wasn't intended to put fans down. :)
I agree! I loved the "meta" quality of it,. and I think they were mocking themselves as well.
I thought it was quite humorous! :)




Originally posted by nickyjean_1

I just need to point out that once Clark embraces his destiny then it's not Smallville anymore it's Superman. This is the story of Clarks journey to become who he is. He's being told all the time he's destined for more.. and he hasn't chased after it. It's not because of Lana, this fear never has been.. It's because no one likes to think they don't control their future and Clark is no different. His choices that make him become Superman are choices he would have made because of the man that Martha and Johnathan raised him to be.. but he's not seeing that.. He sees it as Jor-el insisting he could and should be more because he's powerful not because he's good. Clarks been given the impression in the past that he's supposed to be king of the world and rule with because he's a Kryptonian heir and by such better then others. He's felt that he's expected to be a tyrant not a Hero.

I mean look at Kara, she sees herself above humans because of her lineage and powers, it's not that far fetched that the impress Clarks getting is the same.. and this is what clark IMO is really hiding from.. If anything Lana's an excuse not a reason.

Once Clark understands his destiny isn't to be the Kryptonian protogy or some ruler but to be the hero that saves the world, I'm pretty sure he'll do that. But the tragedy of Lana and Clark wouldn't be what it is if something didn't end things.. and Lana's 'flexible morales' and Clarks need to be black and white in his (because of his obvious over balance of power) is what's going to separate them in the end and that won't have anything to do with clark's destiny but the person he is..

Great post! interesting and very accurate perspective.

[bad3appels]

i was laughting soo hard,thinking: ouchhh, that is really harsh to all the clana haters,hehehe
it was fun :lol:

[Khyla]

Originally posted by margroks
... it's disrespectful to the legend to make eveything on the show about Lana and reduce Lex and Clark to two guys whining and fighting over who gets this horrible girl who has no redeeming qualities on Smallville or in the comics. ...


Margrocks, i agree with some pieces of your post... but I still i have a very different opinion than you of their purpose for her. Though a sickeningly over-played character, I think Lana has been given and has served an intentional important purpose on the show. Clark has been brought up to respect and give everyone the benefit of the doubt, that all humans have an ultimately good inner core. I think Lana's place is to show him that even those whom he cherishes and loves and who act like they love and care for him in return, can still be self-serving, self-absorbed, with their own agenda, while completely fooling him with their mastery deception. (even when that deception may be consciously unintentional*) She serves to make him become a little more calloused toward personal relationships and even the human race while finding a balance to still seek the good in them.

He won't be so quick to make judgments by what's only on the surface, and making the mistake of giving his heart at the first mere skin-deep attraction he has.

Lana has been shown as having a dark side throughout the series, and it has become more and more evident as time passes. We are being shown loud and clear that her facade of innocence and trustworthiness, is evidence of her twisted, conniving, manipulative personality, (as she is also portrayed in the comics) and that it's only a matter of time before it hits him between the eyes.
I say bravo to AlMiles if they keep going with this vein!

[princesslaya]

Clark is already becoming the man that he was born to be....you can see that....even though he may realize what his destiney is right now but it seems to me like Lana knows what Clark's destiney could be. She knows that she gonna have to let go of him someday but that is in the future and I think its ok for Clark/Lana to be in love right now. They are both sweet and pure together and it seems like that is what young love is all about. Although the lies that Lana seems to be keeping could destroy her relationship but Clark will forgive her because that is what he is about. I think Lana's love for Clark will make her realize that all the lies she is keeping is something she have to put right before all this ends.

[Khyla]

Originally posted by princesslaya
I think Lana's love for Clark will make her realize that all the lies she is keeping is something she have to put right before all this ends.
A leopard can not change its spots.


*Throughout the series AlMIles have presented us with a Lana whose "love" is and always has been dependent on which guy she perceived to be able to keep her safer and protect her better, while putting her on a pedestal; and whoever appears to have the most prestige and/or power:

Whitney was the football star and owned a horse.

Adam appeared to have unlimited knowledge and talents.

Jason had money and the stones...

Lex had the power and means to provide answers and solve the problem of keeping the world, and her, safe from an extraterrestrial attack, while providing her with safety and comfort.

She obviously had renewed interest in Clark only when she witnessed the powers he had.:\)

[Promise]

Originally posted by wolverine316
Pretty much yes. What they are saying is that you all whine and complain but most of you come back week after week so who is the fool?


Exactly. That's why this episode was the best!! And the episode still shows progression. Someone mentioned that Lana's hate is overshadowing her love for Clark, well in Wrath, we should see that conclusion.

[adromidon]

yes I too loved this episode

[HowardFilms]

Originally posted by nickyjean_1
Just so you know I haven't got past the 1st page of the board before I had to say something..

I just need to point out that once Clark embraces his destiny then it's not Smallville anymore it's Superman. This is the story of Clarks journey to become who he is.

No it isn't. It's a what-if story of a boy with Superman's background who won't become who he was meant to be over some girl he should have broken it off with years ago.

I like this show. But it isn't, and never will be Superman. I don't care what TW puts on, it's so far from Superman these days, it's laughable. I wonder how they're going to explain Lex not knowing who Superman is right off the bat. For the sake of making their own drama, AlMiles took this show well away from the Superman story.

The writers can laugh at me all they want. I laugh back at them for rejecting a story that on it's own has been popular for decades. Nice Improvement...not...

[smallviluva]

does anyone see a reference in this epi about how they were talking about the movie and mentioning fans not liking the movie cuz its different from the comics...does anyone find that the reason why they could of put that in was also to hint that that is the intention for this show as well? like mite change details that are significant that arent in the comic of superman?

[HowardFilms]

Like the existence of Chloe, Clark knowing Lois, Lana and Pete being very different from how they were in the comics, MM working for Jor-El, Kara coming so soon, must I go on?

No, I think they'll be sticking exactly to the comics.

[redtee]

It was interesting that the justification for why the movie makers had changed from the script of the Warrior Angel comics was that they felt it didn't have a 'Hollywood Happy ending'. In other words showing WA not saving the girlfriend was 'too dark' for the movie. So let's have WA save the girl. The thing is there has been no better film version portrayal of the journey of Clark Kent has made to become Superman. Whether it is accurate to the comic or not is irrelevant. We are not going to need an explanation for why Lex or Lois doesn't recognise Superman straight off, because there won't be anymore episodes once CK becomes Superman - that will indeed be the final scene. It would be relevant if they had made this series Young Superman. It's definitely not that. It wasn't meant to be an improvement. It was meant to be a stand alone story that has managed to garner success based on a couple of guys' vision for the journey of CK to Superman. They don't laugh at the hard core Superman fans, they laugh at the fact that they still get mightily insulted and offended anytime something appears in the show that references the comic book mythos and adapts/alters/modifies/morphs it into a "Smallville-verse" mythos. The offended fans still happens despite the fact that they (AlMiles) from Day one back in 2001 always insisted quite unashamedly that this was not, nor ever going to be young Superman.

[WELLINGWIFE#2]

Redtee that's a very good post...I guess some of us forget that they did say that..and after 7 years some of us hope that they will give us a little more at the end ..but its their show and they already know how far into the Superman mythology they are going to go.

[HowardFilms]

I'm not asking for Young Superman. I'm asking for what they promised, the story of Clark becoming superman. This story does not make sense to a future as being Superman.

[adromidon]

Maybe they will change it this season

[pharaoh8]

TPTB always have their way of returning to what the shows about

[adromidon]

true true

[Mello Penelo]

Originally posted by pharaoh8
TPTB always have their way of returning to what the shows about

By bringing Lana back from the dead.

[norman619]

If the writers were listening they'd give us better stroies. So far the writing hasn't changed at all.

[operadiva]

I think we are trying to believe that Al and Miles care about us fans..But sorry to say they don't...i guess we all just watch because most of us have already invested 6yrs..So have i....i just want to see..how it ends...there are many things i hate about Smallville that i wished i could rewrite..but alas..not so is the case...

[flying_girl]

about the crazy fan, did you notice that although he did his best to make clark realize what his destiny is, he was rooting for clark. he wouldn't give him up to lex. he realized right from the start that lex was the villain.

[globalbudd3]

Hmm....Let's see....

From what i gather from this episode is that Clark want a "normal" life which is having a home with someone he loves, which hopefully a lot of us wants too...so I thought it was reasonable. Keep in mind that he grew up in a sheltered farm/small town all his life and therefore see living on the farm as a norm.

After all, having a "superhero" life means a huge change. It will include leaving life as Clark knows it and constantly putting your loved ones in danger.

Just keep in mind that the moment he accept is "destiny" as all of you are demanding he do...meant the end of smallville the show. That is when the life of Superman begins and smallville (which the show is trying to portray) is becoming less important to him.

Having said that, I don't mind seeing Clark accept his destiny slowly which we all know he surely will. I believe the writers are trying to keep the show going as long as he can because the moment he start to accept the mantle and destiny of Superman, the show will be in its' final season...so therefore enjoy it while it last...

[operadiva]

From what i gather from this episode is that Clark want a "normal" life which is having a home with someone he loves, which hopefully a lot of us wants too...so I thought it was reasonable. Keep in mind that he grew up in a sheltered farm/small town all his life and therefore see living on the farm as a norm.


There in lies the problem..Clark is not normanl...and he knows it..He is burying his head in the sand..very deeply..ignoring his destiny...I don't think he has to put on the suit yet...But he needs to seriously end that Lana obsession...Since 3 Season..We are tired and we want him to do things others than eating an apple pie..or Stealing syrup...and playing house with Mrs.Luthor... that is what makes me crazy...that Clark is oblivious to the reality of his life and what he has to do...whether he likes it or not...

[uhhuhhim]

Originally posted by operadiva
We are tired and we want him to do things others than eating an apple pie..or Stealing syrup...and playing house with Mrs.Luthor...

I love how you put that together...Miss Luthor...Yes, she is still a Luthor, she is no longer a Lang even if her name has been changed.

[adromidon]

yeah she has become evil

[Dustmite]

Originally posted by redtee
It was interesting that the justification for why the movie makers had changed from the script of the Warrior Angel comics was that they felt it didn't have a 'Hollywood Happy ending'. In other words showing WA not saving the girlfriend was 'too dark' for the movie.

Real life is often 'dark' and Hollywood happy endings are overrated. When books are adapted for the big screen, certain changes are made for a Hollywood ending which often should have been left alone. For example in 'The horse whisperer' Robert Redford's character dies in the book but they have live in the movies and that spoilt the movie for me. It took away the poignancy.

Lana and Clark not ending up together on SV is not a bad thing if they have them part as friends.

[operadiva]

I agree...Love changes..It is reality...How can it be that Clark has been in love with this girl since she was 2..or 3..impossible...Anyway you look at it..It is a fantasy...To believe that Clark is on this journey there must be changes that propel him to certain character traits to becoming Superman...thus far.. i have see little...no where close to his destiny..He is so far from it..it will take Johnathan's reserrection from the grave to do it..And still Clark might say No..he wants to be on the farm with Mrs.Luthor..how sad indeed...

[adromidon]

lol

[bad3appels]

i think it is romantic maybe is because i`m such sucker for romance.
each time,i see clark saying this lines: blogs, fansites, message boards? those are pretty extreme..
i can`t stop myself from coming to this tread and have a laught,hehehe
that is pure genius.

[adromidon]

yeah I imagine that the actors were laughing a little to. Since some browse these forums (they do not respond or post) they are probably looking and just laughing

[bad3appels]

i don`t think that they have the time to come here.
maybe the crew do that sometimes when they are bored and have absolutely nothing to do.

[adromidon]

I heard (and I could be misinformed it happens all to often) that when crew members are browsing the forums on their breaks or what ever some times the actors look over their shoulders to see what people are posting about them but they probably never browse them theirselves

[bad3appels]

really?? intersting.

Tom,do more interviews
Michael,stop teasing people
Allison,you are awsome
Kristin,wear more sexy clothes
Erica,eat more burgers..i`m so jealous,i wanna see you chubby

.....this computer refused to delete that :lol:

[adromidon]

lol I know for a fact that tptb read the forums almost weekly they said so in their interview on the Season 6 DVD (well they did not say weekly but they said they often check the forums for fan responses to episodes)