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xaosthry

10-04-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by SteveS
lois did try to do the right thing by Chloe and showed familial loyalty. Good on her.

On the other hand, this series (even as good as the last two episodes have been) really has failed with this version of lois. Everything is always given to her with really little effort, hence very little respect earned.

And Chloe, on top of everything else, she is taking night classes at Met U. lois? Doing whatever drops in her lap. Having lois run around with a camera in the dark is not really any kind of paying her dues.

I think Grant can nail lois pretty easily. He would have no chance with Chloe no matter how much she wanted the job.

I do have to agree. Think that's why I'm all about Chloe. She represents what Lois should have. The work, search for the truch, determination, lack of sleep, ect.

As far as Grant getting Chloe, after that rude comment he made when Chloe said the Planet was after the truth. I seriously thought Chloe would choke him right there with his stupid suspenders.

D.M.A.

10-04-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by xaosthry
I do have to agree. Think that's why I'm all about Chloe. She represents what Lois should have. The work, search for the truch, determination, lack of sleep, ect.

As far as Grant getting Chloe, after that rude comment he made when Chloe said the Planet was after the truth. I seriously thought Chloe would choke him right there with his stupid suspenders.
yea chloe did look like she couldnt believe he wasnt concern wit truth/standards of the DP.I think that will be an issue for grant later on when his epi count is up,he's more concern wit sellin papers then printin the truth and that could be an issue

AndiGirl

10-04-2007, 09:48 PM

I felt horrible for poor Chloe. Like everyone else said...it wasn't Lois's fault at all...she was even going to pass up the opportunity for Chloe....it's the stupid Grant guy, I already cant stand him. I think the things that really bother me about the situation were 1) Chloe had to fight and claw her way to get into that basement....and the fact that Lois was just handed the same position as her was sketchy to me. And 2) Grant didnt have to make the constant personal digs that he made....it was just rude. I guess he may be trying to light a fire under Chloe...but all I could see was a smug jerk hitting on Lois.

I agree...Chloe hasnt had the spark that she used to have for awhile, but it's hard writing the hard hitting stories when your best friend is an alien. I think Chloe will get it back though..this is just a wake up call for her.

D.M.A.

10-04-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by savingpeoplething
Ha!
I get the feeling that Chloe has been set up BIG TIME to be the underdog of the story who triumphs even when kicked down.
You just don't do that to a character (who is good and upstanding) over and over again without letting them win in the end.

I'm psyched about the competition between Chloe and Lois. It'll be awesome to see which one comes out on top.

And, she never sounded more intelligent. :)
I agree,I dont blame lois at all in this epi she tried to inform grant on the mistake he was makin.But she also did seem to wanna prove herself,I cant fault her for that.But this does setup chloe to be the underdog espcially wit the editor more concern wit sellin papers and not printin facts(as he said it could be facts or not he needs pics smh).

And now we kno lana gave chloe those classified belle reeve files so its obvious she hasnt given up on her article from progeny.I think at sum point she'll get enough info to bring him down and that'll put this rivalry to an end,but til then it should be fun :)

Originally posted by AndiGirl
I felt horrible for poor Chloe. Like everyone else said...it wasn't Lois's fault at all...she was even going to pass up the opportunity for Chloe....it's the stupid Grant guy, I already cant stand him. I think the things that really bother me about the situation were 1) Chloe had to fight and claw her way to get into that basement....and the fact that Lois was just handed the same position as her was sketchy to me. And 2) Grant didnt have to make the constant personal digs that he made....it was just rude. I guess he may be trying to light a fire under Chloe...but all I could see was a smug jerk hitting on Lois.

I agree...Chloe hasnt had the spark that she used to have for awhile, but it's hard writing the hard hitting stories when your best friend is an alien. I think Chloe will get it back though..this is just a wake up call for her.
agreed

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 09:54 PM

Also remember... her focus in season 6 was 33.1... her story was that... she dedicated her time and resources to pursue that story... so she hasn't lost her spark... to me she just got carried away with just one story

chlark=destiny

10-04-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe has ONLY herself to blame for where her life is, just my opinion. Wish peeps would stop blaming Lo, for the corner Chloe's in.:(

Aww, come on puleeeeeeeeeeeze:\....Chloe has only herself to blame?:\...If you haven't noticed, she has had her hands full the past three years with being Clark's #1 secretkeeper and now she has a meteor power that she has to keep as a secret as well...PLUS, she is taking classes at Met U on top of a busy job at the Planet, along with a boyfriend who she also has to be really evasive with....Why is this Chloe's fault?

I mean, I'll admit, Chloe has had just about every opportunity to write and publish newsworthy pulitzers, but has always passed at the chance due to the conflict of keeping Clark's secret....Now, how can you blame Chloe for being loyal and a good friend to Clark? :\

D.M.A.

10-04-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Also remember... her focus in season 6 was 33.1... her story was that... she dedicated her time and resources to pursue that story... so she hasn't lost her spark... to me she just got carried away with just one story
agreed,she hasnt lost her spark she jus focus on 1 story.But to the editor he doesnt see results so he's bashin her for lack of,but if he knew what she was workin on I dont think he'd make those comments.Thats why I see chloe tryin to bring lex down even more,but also goin after other stories 2.Its not always because of clark she isnt writin,its because she's hopin to bring lex down first.But I see that changin now that the editor is pushin her,we may see the old s1-5 chloe come back soon :)

jazel

10-04-2007, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by SteveS
lois did try to do the right thing by Chloe and showed familial loyalty. Good on her.

On the other hand, this series (even as good as the last two episodes have been) really has failed with this version of lois. Everything is always given to her with really little effort, hence very little respect earned.

And Chloe, on top of everything else, she is taking night classes at Met U. lois? Doing whatever drops in her lap. Having lois run around with a camera in the dark is not really any kind of paying her dues.

I think Grant can nail lois pretty easily. He would have no chance with Chloe no matter how much she wanted the job.

you are mistaken, in YOUR assumption, that SV has failed in the las t 2 epis.
you admitted, these last two epis were good???LOL
you really disappoint me, steves.:(
I actually enjoyed "chatting" with you.
you just have an unhealthy hate, for Lois, no matter where she's going.
I think this version, is doing an awesome job w/ Lois.
there were NO sexual sparks between her and Grant. I don't WHY you are "trying" to pretend otherwise.
but if PRETENDING is your game, who am I to deny you ? :lol:
I use to enjoy "debating" w/ you, but now I see you for the lost cause, you really are.
Chloe and Lana are perfection,:rotfl:
Lois is crap......so says the LEGEND....LOL

jimmyolsenblues

10-04-2007, 10:22 PM

i feel so bad for chloe being constantly kicked in the teeth by the writers.
I actually am mad at the writers how they get under my skin, you would think I would be used to it.
You know they are just pushing in our face that chloe is getting such a bad shake at the planet. Just another thing for chloe to be hurt over. First clark then her job.

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
i feel so bad for chloe being constantly kicked in the teeth by the writers.
I actually am mad at the writers how they get under my skin, you would think I would be used to it.
You know they are just pushing in our face that chloe is getting such a bad shake at the planet. Just another thing for chloe to be hurt over. First clark then her job.

I know this episode really pissed me off (at the way they shunned Chloe (Freakness, Editor discounting her hard work), to make Lois look good.

I mean Lois getting into the Planet is one thing...but making her an EQUAL to Chloe and telling she may very well soar above Chloe very soon after one episode, aftr Chloes SEASONS of hard work. I dont like it at all.

But the one thing I do like, as others have stated, is that it so obviously set up Chloe as the underdog, that I dont know how tptb could be expecting us not to root for her.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe has ONLY herself to blame for where her life is, just my opinion. Wish peeps would stop blaming Lo, for the corner Chloe's in.:( I know. She's in the situation she's in because of the choices she made in the past seasons (Nothing bad about that per se), and Chloe's the only one who could take charge of herself and get her priorities and get back on track because even if Lois doesn't get hired in the planet, there will always be some other new reporter round the corner who would always want to prove himself/herself, so Chloe would have to get her butt in gear anyways :\

I mean Lois getting into the Planet is one thing...but making her an EQUAL to Chloe Arent they both working in the basement? I don't think there's an office floor lower than the basement so I'm not sure where you want Lois to start? :\

myankskent

10-04-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by jazel

there were NO sexual sparks between her and Grant.

But I was so sure there would be after that ED interview.:rolleyes:

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent

Arent they both working in the basement? I don't think there's an office floor lower than the basement so I'm not sure where you want Lois to start? :\

How about coffee carrier? Janitor?

Oh Im just being harsh!

BUT like I said they are EQUALS now, after Chloes SEASONS of internships and school papers and bylines...how can that not suck from Chloes side?

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent

Arent they both working in the basement? I don't think there's an office floor lower than the basement so I'm not sure where you want Lois to start? :\

Chloe started as a mere obituary righter... nothing thrilling... and worked her way to be a reporter... getting assignments...

Lois comes in as a reporter.... aka Same Level with Chloe

myankskent

10-04-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588

BUT like I said they are EQUALS now, after Chloes SEASONS of internships and school papers and bylines...how can that not suck from Chloes side?

I don't look at it as though it sucks for Chloe. The primary reason, IMO, why she is where she is right now is because she buddies up with Clark all of the time. Does that suck for Chloe? I actually think that she enjoys it so if you ask me, Chloe needs to decide what she wants more, to be Clark's personal search engine or a real investigative reporter who is willing to write about everything that she uncovers. That's the real choice there. I'm sure this meteor freak plot will complicate matters as well, but she has turned her attention away from journalism long before that according to Grant.

jazel

10-04-2007, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
But I was so sure there would be after that ED interview.:rolleyes:

sorry for your loss, NOT really :lol:
I know we CAN'T win, in Yankee Stadium :p
EVERYBODY on SV, LOVES to mislead peeps, about the show.........something about ratings, I think ;)
MY God, w/ EVERY Clois moment, I am seeing nods to the ICONIC couple, "they" are destinied to become.:D

Lostfan588

10-04-2007, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
I don't look at it as though it sucks for Chloe. The primary reason, IMO, why she is where she is right now is because she buddies up with Clark all of the time. Does that suck for Chloe? I actually think that she enjoys it so if you ask me, Chloe needs to decide what she wants more, to be Clark's personal search engine or a real investigative reporter who is willing to write about everything that she uncovers.

She could be both Clark best friend AND an investigative reporter.

Im not too worried about the search engine part, because Clark seems to be shaping up so far this season.

But yes careerwise it does suck for Chloe. Shes been working on internships, bylines, and her school paper for a long time now...and it virtually means nothing because Lois got her same position in just the blink of a second. Yes it sucks bc Chloe had tears in her eyes? and a WTF look on her face....

But it is good that this should give her the jumpstart she needs to shape up and get more aggressive with her stories. :p

myankskent

10-04-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Chloe started as a mere obituary righter... nothing thrilling... and worked her way to be a reporter... getting assignments...

Lois comes in as a reporter.... aka Same Level with Chloe

But I think the point that Grant was trying to make is that Lois shows the determination to go get the story while Chloe does not at the current time. IMO, this has been supported by the canon of the show and it's also a theme that I've talked about quite a bit in the last season. If Lois shows the drive to go get the story, then what editor wouldn't want a person like that working for them? If Lois fails after she gets hired, then she'll get fired. It's as simple as that. It's up to Lois to prove that she can get the job done.

Minela

10-04-2007, 10:57 PM

I'm curious how the writers will handle Lois and Chloe's desks to be beside or across from eachother when Clark comes to the DP every day to ask for Chloe to search stuff for him. This is either setting up for some classic funny Superman scenarios where he has to trick Lois to look the other way, or it will be a plot hole.

myankskent

10-04-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588

But yes careerwise it does suck for Chloe. Shes been working on internships, bylines, and her school paper for a long time now...and it virtually means nothing because Lois got her same position in just the blink of a second.

Lois has also been writing more stories of late than Chloe. It's great that Chloe has done all of the work in high school, but unfortunately for her, she needs to continue to do that at the DP and she hasn't. Is it too late for her to change her ways? Of course not, but Lois at the current time has shown that drive to chase the story. If she gets distracted by other things down the road, then I'm sure that will be a negative for her as well. If she fails after getting hired, I'm sure she will get kicked out of there.

sorry for your loss, NOT really
I know we CAN'T win, in Yankee Stadium

That was an awful game. I can't believe that I didn't watch Smallville at 8 so that I could see Wang go out and wet the bed. The Yankees were so bad tonight that I couldn't even drink any beer after the game started. Maybe I'll get lit up prior to the game tomorrow.:p

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Lostfan588
How about coffee carrier? Janitor?

Oh Im just being harsh! Hey, at least you're honest about it. ;)

BUT like I said they are EQUALS now, after Chloes SEASONS of internships and school papers and bylines...how can that not suck from Chloes side?
Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Chloe started as a mere obituary righter... nothing thrilling... and worked her way to be a reporter... getting assignments...

One of Lois' first jobs is to cover the Warrior Angel movie set...more of a fluff piece than hardcore newsreporting. I don't know how this could be thrilling for any aspiring journalist/reporter :\

I don't look at it as though it sucks for Chloe. The primary reason, IMO, why she is where she is right now is because she buddies up with Clark all of the time. Does that suck for Chloe? I actually think that she enjoys it so if you ask me, Chloe needs to decide what she wants more, to be Clark's personal search engine or a real investigative reporter who is willing to write about everything that she uncovers. That's the real choice there. ......., but she has turned her attention away from journalism long before that according to Grant. Exactly. This has been happening with Chloe for quite sometime now, and Lois has nothing to do with it :\

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Minela
I'm curious how the writers will handle Lois and Chloe's desks to be beside or across from eachother when Clark comes to the DP every day to ask for Chloe to search stuff for him. This is either setting up for some classic funny Superman scenarios where he has to trick Lois to look the other way, or it will be a plot hole.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Brizzle

10-04-2007, 11:09 PM

Ok lets all be honest, the only reason why Chloe ain't at the top is because of Clark, just think if she was able to write stories on all the crap that has happened with Clark, Lois wouldn't be able to touch her. Clarks secret is what affects Chloe getting to the top very much.

Trust me if Lois knew everything about Clark she would still be at the ****** inquisitor. So in order to fix the Lois mess they screw Chloe and try to make the real "freakin LOIS LANE".

Now they need to fix up Lana, Lex, Clark.

Although really I could care less about what happens with Lois and Chloe.

But poor Chloe wah wah. NOT!!!!!!!

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by myankskent

That was an awful game. I can't believe that I didn't watch Smallville at 8 so that I could see Wang go out and wet the bed. The Yankees were so bad tonight that I couldn't even drink any beer after the game started. Maybe I'll get lit up prior to the game tomorrow.:p

:lol: awe honey, seriously DOUBT, the Yanks will make IT that easy for us.:rolleyes:
Citites need to "generate" some money......it'll go the full.;)
Your Yanks may even, after ALL is said and done shut-us up. LOL
after all who cares about Cleveland ? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

kiariclois

10-04-2007, 11:12 PM

I don't think its a bad thing that Chloe was being told off... She's not perfect and it's good to see, for once, her editor doesn't like her work... Although, I hope it wont happen again

myankskent

10-04-2007, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by jazel
:lol: awe honey, seriously DOUBT, the Yanks will make IT that easy for us.:rolleyes:
Citites need to "generate" some money......it'll go the full.;)
Your Yanks may even, after ALL is said and done shut-us up. LOL
after all who cares about Cleveland ? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The one thing that I will say is that the fans in the stadium were jumping. They didn't shut up the whole game. lol.

We'll see what happens...should be a nice weekend of baseball and football.

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Brizzle
Ok lets all be honest, the only reason why Chloe ain't at the top is because of Clark, just think if she was able to write stories on all the crap that has happened with Clark, Lois wouldn't be able to touch her. Clarks secret is what affects Chloe getting to the top very much.

Let's be honest once again. If Chloe didn't know Clark's secret she wouldn't have any stories since she knows all of that stuff by knowing Clark's secret in the first place.

Brizzle

10-04-2007, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
The one thing that I will say is that the fans in the stadium were jumping. They didn't shut up the whole game. lol.

We'll see what happens...should be a nice weekend of baseball and football.

Well look at my avatar guys and u will see that there is a "NIGHTMARE IN SAN DIEGO" so don't complain about a loss when Hoffman blew it for the padres and for football.... I can't even say how much misery I am living in.:( :(

Originally posted by Minela
Let's be honest once again. If Chloe didn't know Clark's secret she wouldn't have any stories since she knows all of that stuff by knowing Clark's secret in the first place.

Lets be honest Lois got the easy way in and you Lois fans know it. She's been getting the easy way ever since she came to smallville. Will the real "Lois Lane" please show up?

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
The one thing that I will say is that the fans in the stadium were jumping. They didn't shut up the whole game. lol.

We'll see what happens...should be a nice weekend of baseball and football.

Football ? U do know, we are "playing" the Pats, this weekend, lordy........... do I hate on Tom Brady.LOL
and I've been told, I talk too much.LOL
you're TOO sweet, or possibly TOO much of a gentleman......like Cavemen, you're still out there ? lol
when the smoke and dust clears will not be surprised IF NY advances forward.;)
BTW NOT feeling bad for Chloe at all, she had a nice run.:p

Autumn

10-04-2007, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe has ONLY herself to blame for where her life is, just my opinion. Wish peeps would stop blaming Lo, for the corner Chloe's in.:(

More like the writers to blame for constantly crapping on Chloe's character. It seems like they are just trying to slowly push Chloe out of the way, so Lois can take over her entire existence.

Besides, can we really blame Chloe for being annoyed that Lois is just being handed a position on a silver platter without working for it? I don't think she's jealous of Lois. I think she's disheartened by the world, and that those who don't work are rewarded, and those who do are ignored. Great message!

And Lois did not work for it. She's not taking classes, she's not working on her credibility, and the article she handed Grant had no evidence to back it up. Any real editor, unlike this Grant, would have thrown her out the door. That's not work. That's laziness. Chloe has passed on writing big stories before because of lack of evidence. That doesn't mean she's less of a reporter. It just means she has more integrity. Lois, on the other hand, is drawn to fame and seeing her name in the papers. Chloe is drawn to truth, justice, and shall we say it ....the american way.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Brizzle
.Will the real "Lois Lane" please show up? She already did in Season 4 "Crusade" It's not yet too late to watch it on the DVD's ;)

And the "Spoilers and Speculation" section is the proper forum for that debate :)

Brizzle

10-04-2007, 11:30 PM

People people what do u expect they have to make Lois into the "REAL LOIS LANE" , so that means BYE BYE to chloe, it's dirty but that is the only way they can make the REAL LOIS LANE.

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Brizzle
Well look at my avatar guys and u will see that there is a "NIGHTMARE IN SAN DIEGO" so don't complain about a loss when Hoffman blew it for the padres and for football.... I can't even say how much misery I am living in.:( :(

Lets be honest Lois got the easy way in and you Lois fans know it. She's been getting the easy way ever since she came to smallville. Will the real "Lois Lane" please show up?

please STOP, w/ that ******** !!!
Lois Lane, HAS fire about reporting, don't DIS on her, because Chloe doesn't.:p
yeah Lo, has EVERYTHING handed to her. I'm tired of even "trying", w/ you peeps. Here's the deal, Chloe and Lana are the beginning and ending of CK's/Superman's exsistance, right ?....lol....NOT !!!

Originally posted by Brizzle
People people what do u expect they have to make Lois into the "REAL LOIS LANE" , so that means BYE BYE to chloe, it's dirty but that is the only way they can make the REAL LOIS LANE.
u r VERY limited, in your perception of things, aren't you ?:(

AlwaysAround

10-04-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Autumn
More like the writers to blame for constantly crapping on Chloe's character. It seems like they are just trying to slowly push Chloe out of the way, so Lois can take over her entire existence.
What existence? She was only made up in the first place to be a Lois-like character till we had the real thing. You can't seriously expect Lois Lane to take a back seat to any other reporter, even if her competition does happen to be her cousin. Once they step into that building, the kid gloves just have to come off. It's kill or be killed out there. ;)

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Brizzle
Lets be honest Lois got the easy way in and you Lois fans know it. She's been getting the easy way ever since she came to smallville. Will the real "Lois Lane" please show up?

The real Lois Lane is here. She hasn't gotten the easy way. Grant saw in her what he wishes to see in his employes, which is passion, spunk and talent. That's what he got. Lois Lane.

Autumn

10-04-2007, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
yea chloe did look like she couldnt believe he wasnt concern wit truth/standards of the DP.I think that will be an issue for grant later on when his epi count is up,he's more concern wit sellin papers then printin the truth and that could be an issue

How true. And Lois is more concerned with making it big than telling the truth.

Honestly Grant and Lois sound like character representations of Dawn Ostroff. She'll do anything to get people to watch her network with cheap entertainment. She swaps great shows (a metaphor for truth in this ep) with trash (ie: PussyCat Dolls) to get a quick fix of cheap viewers (the metaphor to sell more papes) LOL. I bet Dawn Ostroff loves Grant. He's her!!!!

But like Benjamin Franklin said, those who trade freedom for security will ultimately receive neither. Or in Smallville terms, those who trade truth for money and fame, will ultimately receive neither. They will lose themselves and their integrity!

TampaVille

10-04-2007, 11:43 PM

I have no idea what the writers are planning with Chloe in the long term. I don't read spoilers. But I personally think the new DP editor's speaches praising Lois were actually aimed at Chloe. He obviously had respect for her in the past. And Lois... love her or hate her, she really hasn't produced anything (with the possible exception of her Green Arrow Bandit stuff) which would have legitimately impressed anybody at the DP. I think the editor was trying to light a fire under Chloe. He realized how incredible she could be, and hired Lois as a way to fuel her on. He thinks Chloe can be spectacular, so he hired Lois to give Chloe somebody to outshine.

Now, I don't think that theory is at all mutually exclusive to the whole "Lois Lane, intrepid reporter" thing. Lois could turn out to be even more incredible than Chloe, to everybody's surprise. I just don't think that's what the new editor had in mind when he hired her.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Minela
She hasn't gotten the easy way. True. She started as a lowly tabloid reporter for pete's sakes...something that some posters on this site have "joyously" revelled in and picked at, and often used to discredit the character. I don't see how that is an easy start for anyone :\

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:44 PM

lol, NO !!!!! Lois Lane is an imposter !lol
Chloe Sullivan, (Who, I've NEVER heard of, (in regards to the SUPERMAN legend), is the REAL Lois Lane).......she WISHES, LOL

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 11:45 PM

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
True. She started as a lowly tabloid reporter for pete's sakes...something that some posters on this site have "joyously" revelled in and picked at, and often used to discredit the character. I don't see how that is an easy start for anyone :\

Some people around here like to hold the Torch, a High School newspaper, to the same degree as a published paper (even if it is the Inquisitor), that hires reporters and pays them a salery and therefore has readers beyond the highschool crowd of Smallville. All Lois' prior investigations and published articles get dissmissed as trash, but Chloe's highschol paper is held up as an example of greatness. Whatever. :\

myankskent

10-04-2007, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Brizzle
Well look at my avatar guys and u will see that there is a "NIGHTMARE IN SAN DIEGO" so don't complain about a loss when Hoffman blew it for the padres and for football.... I can't even say how much misery I am living in.:( :(

I saw that Padres/Rockies game. That was brutal. I'm sorry about that Brizzle. I hope that you feel better.

Lets be honest Lois got the easy way in and you Lois fans know it. She's been getting the easy way ever since she came to smallville. Will the real "Lois Lane" please show up?

Ah forget it, I hope Hoffman blows it again next season for the Padres.

Sorry, you had that coming.

;)

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Actually I see Lois being more of a Cat Grant like character

I'm sure you would.

I haven't seen Lois strut around the Planet in skinn tight latex or bikinis, sitting on the editor's desk and smooching the nearest hottie.

jazel

10-04-2007, 11:49 PM

Chloe is Cat Grant, you Italians, I LOVE pasta lol ;)

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe is Cat Grant, you Italians, I LOVE pasta lol ;)

You are a bada$$. :lol:

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Minela
I'm sure you would.

I haven't seen Lois strut around the Planet in skinn tight latex or bikinis, sitting on the editor's desk and smooching the nearest hottie.

Yes she's the one being used as the sex appeal. She's the one whos being hooked up with hunks...

Also Cat Grant was involved in politics like Lois Lane wasy... Cat was Press Secretary to President Luthor. Cat has issues with Alcohol like Lois...

Minela

10-04-2007, 11:53 PM

Wah waaah waah.

myankskent

10-04-2007, 11:53 PM

aqgalaxy

10-04-2007, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Chloe is Cat Grant, you Italians, I LOVE pasta lol ;)

What you Italians? I am just posting what I see...

Americans... sigh...pitty it was such a great nation now the country is going down hill.

AlwaysAround

10-04-2007, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Minela
The real Lois Lane is here. She hasn't gotten the easy way. Grant saw in her what he wishes to see in his employes, which is passion, spunk and talent. That's what he got. Lois Lane.

Yep. Who needs a wannabe ad filler when you have a real reporter that's willing take more of a risk than just sitting back and writing everything off as too far fetched. It's those reporters that take a chance that really become successful.
I know what's gonna be in Chloe's Christmas stocking . . . a pink slip if she doesn't get off her duff and start performing better on the job.

ShelbyKent

10-04-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Yes she's the one being used as the sex appeal. Er, riiight...and the Chloevage is front and center because it's essential to an epi's plot? :confused: C'mon, the entire SV main cast is extremely good-looking and the CW is not above using everyone's sex appeal to boost the ratings.

myankskent

10-05-2007, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by AlwaysAround

I know what's gonna be in Chloe's Christmas stocking . . . a pink slip

Didn't that happen already?:D

Lunar

10-05-2007, 12:01 AM

I have a feeling that the stories that Chloe wrote a long time ago and gave Lois's name to publish under may surface sometime in the near future.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this helps to build Chloe's character and make her re-evaluate her life.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 12:01 AM

Autumn

10-05-2007, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Minela
The real Lois Lane is here. She hasn't gotten the easy way. Grant saw in her what he wishes to see in his employes, which is passion, spunk and talent. That's what he got. Lois Lane.

Anyone can have passion, spunk and talent. But it takes a lot more to find and tell the truth, with facts to back you up. It is what real reporters do.

I like what Brett Ratner said about directing. You can relate it back to reporting. He said, (paraphrasing), that people can have 90% talent, and 10% effort and get nowhere. Or, you can have 10% talent and 90% effort and succeed. So far, I haven't seen that much effort coming from this Lois Lane. Anyone can strut around with a camera. But it takes a lot more to work all day doing grunt work (instead of taking the "easy" way to sell papers by working for a tabloid), and then going to class at night than it does to stumble upon a spaceship or a barn falling out of the sky and writing about it with bad grammar and no evidence. Yeah, that's really working hard. And Lois hasn't gotten the easy way?

1) Lex gets Lois her hs diploma without her working for it herself
2) Lex gets Lois into college without even taking an ACT or an SAT, or even filling out an application. I didn't enjoy doing my essay entries.
3) Lois is kicked out from college and never tries to go back. That shows a lot of passion there. I'm really feeling it. She just stumbles into journalism. Real spark. So no real "effort" there to get a journalism degree. She doesn't work on honing her skill for say a college paper.
4) Lois is given a campaign manager position with no experience and no college degree.
5) Lois is handed a chief of staff position with no work on her part. Just because she has a "passionate" personality. Gee, I wish someone would give me that position. I mean I do have more experience than a muffin peddling, college dropout. At least I have a degree.
6) Lois is once again given a job. But this time as a tabloid writer. For what? Writing a story on a barn door? Which is connected to herself as it usually is? That took about as much effort, as it did me to write in my diary. (Not to mention the fact, that no chief of staff would write for a tabloid. It's irresponsible, rude and would diminish the senator's credibility) Why no one else brings that up is beyond me.
7) Now, Lois is once again handed an opportunity for a spaceship story, because a young "cheap" editor overhears her talking about it. Not one glance at her writing resume (which I know to be very important). No, she's Lois Lane. That's enough work for anyone. All she needed to do was be born with the name Lois. Apparently, that's all the work she needed.

Yes, poor Chloe. She was unfortunate enough to have a cousin named Lois Lane, who doesn't have to work for anything. She just has to strut around with some passion for herself, and that's all it takes for Lois to become the star reporter of the DP.

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by jazel
please STOP, w/ that ******** !!!
Lois Lane, HAS fire about reporting, don't DIS on her, because Chloe doesn't.:p
yeah Lo, has EVERYTHING handed to her. I'm tired of even "trying", w/ you peeps. Here's the deal, Chloe and Lana are the beginning and ending of CK's/Superman's exsistance, right ?....lol....NOT !!!

u r VERY limited, in your perception of things, aren't you ?:(

It's funny cuz I used to say "stop with that ********" all the time to u. My opinion is my opinion, the only difference is that I don't need to shove mine down ur throat 4454654756756 times like u.

U had ur Lois episode u should be happy, but I could care less about Lo-Lo and Chlo-Chlo just stated my opinion.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
What you Italians? I am just posting what I see...

Americans... sigh...pitty it was such a great nation now the country is going down hill.
what are you, talking about ?:lol:
are you guys even up to par, w/ the offensive Americans ?:lol:

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by myankskent

Ah forget it, I hope Hoffman blows it again next season for the Padres.

Sorry, you had that coming.

;) [/B]
LOL I don't care what u say, I mean I am from SD, do u really think I am sad the yankees lost?

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 12:11 AM

Easy guys, we don't want the thread shut down :(

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
What you Italians? I am just posting what I see...

Americans... sigh...pitty it was such a great nation now the country is going down hill.

What about Americans? Italy vs. America? hmmm let me think.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:13 AM

San Diego ? lol
is there a team, worthy of a NATIONAL title?....SORRY Briz, do NOT take it personally.lol
we ALL suck ;)
:lol: Italy plays dirty, dam drama queens.LOL

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
Easy guys, we don't want the thread shut down :(

Were Americans how do u expect us to respond?

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Brizzle
What about Americans? Italy vs. America? hmmm let me think.

Yup you right it's a real no brainer...

Originally posted by jazel
Italy plays dirty, dam drama queens.LOL

They don't play dirty.. that's the French

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by jazel
San Diego ? lol
is there a team, worthy of a NATIONAL title?....SORRY Briz, do NOT take it personally.lol
we ALL suck ;)

Cleveland what do u got so special? The Browns? My team sux I know that but we have talent so I can hope, but the Browns? Come on now u can't touch me in Sports Jazzie bell I know a lot about them. U seem like u don't.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:25 AM

Cleveland SUCKS, and I'll be the first-one, to tell ya that !!!
Kiddo, you seem like YOU are spreading ********....LOL
don't care for your "peeps",owe ME attitude Briz, in the Grand scheme of things YOU are nobody,and NOTHING. Deal w/ it.LOL

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 12:26 AM

Chloe will wake up after Kara but i don't think people can forget that Lois is not a good reporter, that's the truth. This editor just wants to sell papers and i think there's something odd about him. Chloe deserved to get there in season 5 but Lois didn't. She's got no passion as Grant claimed she has, she gave up the story in the end.

Chloe just have to wake up because everybody knows she's the best and only real reporter in this show, and Grant kept reminding us about that. But Lois? Sorry but she should have stayed where she was, the Insuisitor that is her place and Grant should be working there as well.

Lois' getting hired was more about Chloe in the end.

The difference between Thirst and Kara is clearer than water.

Chloe got hired by Kahn, the editor what only wants to know about good reporting and about the truth and she has two pulitzers.

Nois? Grant that only wants to sells papers and anyone wo doesn't watch Smallville and saw his scenes would think he works for a tabloid.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Autumn
Anyone can have passion, spunk and talent. But it takes a lot more to find and tell the truth, with facts to back you up. It is what real reporters do.

I like what Brett Ratner said about directing.

I'm sorry, but you just started quoting something Brett Ratner said about directing. . . a man who many serious film fans acknowledge as a hack director of the first order.

Seriously, don't get me started on what that man did to X-Men 3. :p

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
Chloe will wake up after Kara but i don't think people can forget that Lois is not a good reporter, that's the truth.

Yes, that's why no one in Metropolis cared at all about the articles she wrote about the Green Arrow last year, to the point that everyone even started calling him by the name she made up for him.

Oh, wait . . .! :rolleyes:

Brizzle

10-05-2007, 12:29 AM

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
Chloe will wake up after Kara but i don't think people can forget that Lois is not a good reporter, that's the truth. This editor just wants to sell papers and i think there's something odd about him. Chloe deserved to get there in season 5 but Lois didn't. She's got no passion as Grant claimed she has, she gave up the story in the end.

Chloe just have to wake up because everybody knows she's the best and only real reporter in this show, and Grant kept reminding us about that. But Lois? Sorry but she should have stayed where she was, the Insuisitor that is her place and Grant should be working there as well.

Lois' getting hired was more about Chloe in the end.

The difference between Thirst and Kara is clearer than water.

Chloe got hired by Kahn, the editor what only wants to know about good reporting and about he truth and she has two pulitzers.

Nois? Grant that only wants to sells papers and anyone wo doesn't watch Smallville and saw his scenes would think she works for a tabloid.
Jesus, Mary,and Joseph,can you PLEASE explain,what the hell you are saying ?:lol:

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 12:31 AM

I think you understood. :)

Minela

10-05-2007, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by jazel
Jesus, Mary,and Joseph,can you PLEASE explain,what the hell you are saying ?:lol:

Jazel, have I ever told you that I love you? ;)

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Minela
Jazel, have I ever told you that I love you? ;)
lol love you too sweetie, but it seems that Chloe is Lara-el......lol.....not :p

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 12:37 AM

In the future when Clark Kent is Superman, Lois Lane will be a reporter for the Daily Planet.

I'm sorry to everyone that loves Chloe, I really am. But the mythos require that Lois be at the DP.

That's just the way it is.

Minela

10-05-2007, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by jazel
lol love you too sweetie, but it seems that Chloe is Lara-el......lol.....not :p

:rotfl:

*singing* ...you are the wind beneeth my wings... :lol:

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 12:43 AM

Oh of course..she's Lois..the best reporter in the world!!111

How i didn't see that ? I must be blind. :D

This episode was Sneeze - Part 2

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
In the future when Clark Kent is Superman Lois Lane will be a reporter for the Daily Planet.

I'm sorry to everyone that loves Chloe, but the mythos require that Lois be at the DP.

That's just the way it is.

Damn straight. The end of this whole thing was set in stone 70+ years ago. Those two things are all a modern mythology and even part of pop culture around the world.

They are not going to be changed just because of one popular teen/young adult show on the CW, which may or may not even be hugely remembered in 25 years, let alone 70.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 12:52 AM

But i wasn't talking about Chlois, i was talking about i saw in this episode. And i saw a Lois that didn't deserve the job but still got hired because she had passion. LOL, come on, Passion? A reporter that has passion gives up a story?

I know Chloe have to wake up but this doesn't mean that Lois has passion or is better than Chloe. And there are people that are forgetting this. Some episodes ago Lois was begging for a story and now she is "the best reporter in the world"?

Okay.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 12:52 AM

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
But i wasn't talking about Chlois, i was talking about i saw in this episode. And i saw a Lois that didn't deserve the job but still got hired because she had passion. LOL, come on, Passion? A reporter that has passion gives up a story?

Um, what? Lois didn't give up her story - she still wrote about it, even though she lost her photographic evidence.

And seriously, what else can she do with the UFO story at this point? The ship's gone now, and it's not like she has any other leads about where it might be, like she did when she found it again (beating Clark *and* Kara to it too I might add).

The trail for it is now probably cold as ice. But I seriously doubt that if she found a lead on where it might be she'd just forget about it - especially now.

Sexyman

10-05-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by jazel
Cleveland SUCKS, and I'll be the first-one, to tell ya that !!!
Kiddo, you seem like YOU are spreading ********....LOL
don't care for your "peeps",owe ME attitude Briz, in the Grand scheme of things YOU are nobody,and NOTHING. Deal w/ it.LOL

Please grow up, you are no better than anyone else on this board Jazel. You say a lot of rude things to people on this board. And I am actually really fed up with it. There is no need to get personal like this, like you have with others.

Topic: Well the reason why Lois is a complete joke is because they are basically portraying her as a person who does not work for what she gets. Lois needs to start from the bottom like everyone else, and work her way to the top, not just get all these offers. Lois still hasn't impressed me one bit.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:06 AM

Same here sexyman i agree with what you said.

morrigan01
Lois got no evidence in the end. The first thing Kahn asked Chloe in Thirst was about proof and she had everything.

Lois didn't have anything, just her words. IMO, Grant should have given her another chance, but he just hired her.

I'm still looking for the passion Lois has...i can't find it you know?

I think i'll watch the episode again. :D

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
A reporter that has passion gives up a story? But if Lois immediately took the story without defending her cousin, then she would've been criticized as well as being "heartless" or "stealing from Chloe" She can just never win in some people's eyes

I know Chloe have to wake up but this doesn't mean that Lois has passion or is better than Chloe..... And there are people that are forgetting this. Some episodes ago Lois begging for a story an Was it literally stated exactly that way in the episode? I think this is more of your interpretation? :confused:

Grant was simply stating that Chloe used to be a go getter in terms of actively news gathering for the Planet (not for Clark!) with the intent of actually publishing her articles. No one's forgetting that Chloe was a good reporter. If anything, Grant's speech is a reminder to both Chloe and the audience of what Chloe is capable of, even if she's not actively dishing out news stories at the moment.

It's a timely reminder for Chloe since her life priorities can't forever play second fiddle to her sidekick duties. She has to rethink her priorities. And I think she will since she's going to get a scoop in a future epi right? (is it in Fierce?)

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Sexyman
Please grow up, you are no better than anyone else on this board Jazel. You say a lot of rude things to people on this board. And I am actually really fed up with it. There is no need to get personal like this, like you have with others.

Topic: Well the reason why Lois is a complete joke is because they are basically portraying her as a person who does not work for what she gets. Lois needs to start from the bottom like everyone else, and work her way to the top, not just get all these offers. Lois still hasn't impressed me one bit.

People became rude only after some people offended them... Although, I reckon some people didn't realise that...

Anyways... Lois in SV really is interesting... Chloe is too... ehe... I really hope to see these two cousins will work together at one point...

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Sexyman

Topic: Well the reason why Lois is a complete joke is because they are basically portraying her as a person who does not work for what she gets. Lois needs to start from the bottom like everyone else, and work her way to the top, not just get all these offers. Lois still hasn't impressed me one bit.

So . . . working for a tabloid for a year wasn't "starting at the bottom"? Funny, according to many people here on this board, Lois' job at the Inquisitor was *lower* than the bottom.

Yet, even working for a paper like that, Lois still was able to get noticed (her Green Arrow stories). And it was that drive and passion she had about Green Arrow and then the 33.1 stuff that finally got her noticed and moved up and out from a "less than bottom" position to a - "nicer bottom position."

Yeah, working with Chloe on the bottom rung in the basement. That really being just being unfairly handed a top position at the Daily Planet. :rolleyes:

From the way people are talking about this, you'd thing Lois' was working in the top floor with a six figure salary and corner office already, instead of just an entry-level position with a desk in the basement. :p

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by kiariclois
You're dead right!!

Lois and Clark's relationship is considered as one of the most complicated relationship in the showbiz/comics... I personally love the different approach SV is taking these two characters...

No matter how they start, they'll always end up together... Otherwise, it'll kill the mythos of 70 years... And what's the point of this show, really? It's about Clark's journey on becoming Superman... and Lois Lane being one of the most important character in the mythos, deserves to have her own storyline on becoming a great reporter...

I wasn't talking about them as a destined couple. I was talking about them as seperate characters that have their destinies set in stone.

Sexyman

10-05-2007, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by kiariclois
People became rude only after some people offended them... Although, I reckon some people didn't realise that...

Anyways... Lois in SV really is interesting... Chloe is too... ehe... I really hope to see these two cousins will work together at one point...

I read the post, she said nothing rude to jazel at all. But it doesn't surprise me that she goes to that personal level. It is a tv show just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean your right or better than anybody else.

Originally posted by morrigan01
So . . . working for a tabloid for a year wasn't "starting at the bottom"? Funny, according to many people here on this board, Lois' job at the Inquisitor was *lower* than the bottom.

Yet, even working for a paper like that, Lois still was able to get noticed (her Green Arrow stories). And it was that drive and passion she had about Green Arrow and then the 33.1 stuff that finally got her noticed and moved up and out from a "less than bottom" position to a - "nicer bottom position."

Yeah, working with Chloe on the bottom rung in the basement. That really being just handed a top position at the DP.

From the way people are talking about this, you'd thing Lois' was working in the top floor with a six figure salary and corner office already, instead of just an entry-level position with a desk in the basement. :p

No my friend she doesn't even deserve to be at the inquisitor. She has no diploma, and she needs to go back to school, and work for it.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:20 AM

Lois wasn't working in the 33.1 story. It was Chloe. It was a different story.

Yeah..started at the Inquisitor and they noiced her because she didn't bring them a story...she was almost fired. And then what she did? She started begging for a story..that's because she got noticed, huh?

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
I wasn't talking about them as a destined couple. I was talking about them as seperate characters that have their destinies set in stone.

I know... I just agree with you, that's all... ehe...

The second part is a whole new point... :p

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Sexyman
I read the post, she said nothing rude to jazel at all. But it doesn't surprise me that she goes to that personal level. It is a tv show just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean your right or better than anybody else.

No my friend she doesn't even deserve to be at the inquisitor. She has no diploma, and she needs to go back to school, and work for it.

So field work doesn't count for anything in your world I guess? Because she has loads of that. Just because the Inquisitor was a tabloid doesn't mean it didn't give Lois' writing experience.

And heck, even Perry White apparently worked there for a time too.

And hate to break it to you, but there are many writers and people in other fields of work that have gone on to success in there lives without finishing college. Stephen Spielberg and Bill Gates to name just two. Just because Chloe's in college doesn't mean she's working any harder than Lois'. The fact that she hasn't been distinguishing herself as a reporter at the Planet after being there for two years and is still sitting in the basement writing about City Hall stories that get placed between sofa ads is proof of that.

College doesn't always mean everything. And I say this as someone who *does* have a college degree. :)

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:33 AM

Perry White worked at the Inquisitor in Smallville? No, he didn't. If you watched Perry, you know that he worked for a tv show that talked about aliens or something like that but that was after he worked at the DP and Lionel Luthor destroyed his carreer. Perry and Chloe even have an interesting chat in this episode. You should watch it.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Sexyman
No my friend she doesn't even deserve to be at the inquisitor. She has no diploma, and she needs to go back to school, and work for it.

ehe... My aunt is one of the most successful reporter here and she didn't finish her school (she used to be so very poor)... :rotfl:

anyway, does Chloe has diploma? Just wondering... :lol:

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
Lois wasn't working in the 33.1 story. It was Chloe. It was a different story.

Yeah..started at the Inquisitor and they noiced her because she didn't bring them a story...she was almost fired. And then what she did? She started begging for a story..that's because she got noticed, huh?

*sigh* Sometimes, I really think people around here decide to deliberately be obtuse.

First - Lois didn't set out to work on the 33.1 story, but *got the the heart of it* by other means - Lana getting shot, the Senator, what happened to her friend Wes, etc. And she did all that *on her own*.

Second - Lois' Green Arrow stories is what got her noticed - to the point that everyone in Metropolis was calling him the Green Arrow - the name she gave him (which Chloe herself pointed out).

Her job at the Inquisitor was only in jeopardy once - after Green Arrow was gone and she was having no luck finding something else to write about. So she asked Chloe for a story - once. And even *then*, she figured out the whole Arena and Titan thing without any help, because Chloe declined if you remember.

That, my friend is the Passion everyone keeps talking about and that Grant saw. Even when she had nothing, she still went to try and find *something* at that hanger - even though she had no idea what was going on there - or if there was anything story-wise to write about there. She took a chance and was able to get a good story and keep her job.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:40 AM

No, she doesn't but she is studying for that.

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
She started begging for a story..that's because she got noticed, huh?

Anyone can see that that scene in Combat was just a badly written plot device to insert Lois into the story. Nothing more.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
No, she doesn't but she is studying for that.

You said Lois needs a diploma to get to DP... and Chloe doesn't need that? It's unfair, don't ya think?

and it's not too late for Lois to develop her interest in Journalism...

Personally, I'm excited to see both Chloe and Lois working under the same roof... I desperately need more Chlo-lo love... ehe

SmallvilleMan

10-05-2007, 01:45 AM

No diploma for chloe, in fact no one on Smallville has one:lol: Maybe except for Lex........

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:49 AM

Project Ares and Level 33.1 aren't the same. You have to remember that.

Stories that she lied, in that Green Arrow story she just forgot to write that he saved her, and let the editor change somethings. And she did the same in her Combat article, as always she doesn't have proof..but that's the Inquisitor, they don't care about that.

Yeah, she asked once, but that was enough. She even thought about stealing a story and all that Lois gets is because she is lucky. I mean, almost every story shes working has some connection to the army..it's getting old.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by kiariclois
You said Lois needs a diploma to get to DP... and Chloe doesn't need that? It's unfair, don't ya think?

and it's not too late for Lois to develop her interest in Journalism...

Eh, to be fair, I think the point some are trying to make is that Chloe is at least *going* to school for it.

And I freely admit, I would love for Lois to go back to school. Heck, I'd love for Clark to go back to school because, at the rate he's going, I don't see how *he* ends up working at the Daily Planet at all. (And there's a double standard there - if Lois should be in college to work at the DP, then Clark can't at some point just walk into the DP and start working there either).

But Lois did spend a year working at a functioning newspaper, even if it was just a tabloid. She has work experience in the field and, a lot of the time, that's enough to at least get you in the door. And Lois - as I pointed out - is still on the bottom rung, not sitting in some corner office somewhere.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by kiariclois
You said Lois needs a diploma to get to DP... and Chloe doesn't need that? It's unfair, don't ya think?
It wan't me that said that. :)

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
I mean, almost every story shes working has some connection to the army..it's getting old. I think the army connection makes it more plausible because she did grow up as an army brat and her dad is currently an active 3 star general. it's not something from completely left field. If wouldn't ring true is if Lois just stated that she got info from obscure or random "contacts". And Lois doesn't have the luxury of having "university contacts" because she's not in college anymore.

OliviaB

10-05-2007, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
Yeah, she asked once, but that was enough. She even thought about stealing a story and all that Lois gets is because she is lucky. I mean, almost every story shes working has some connection to the army..it's getting old.

Yeah, that gosh darn lucky EDLois. Conacts from the bases whenever she needs it. They didn't see fit to show us anything of how she got that info from this "contact" not even a phone call, she's just brought them out from her bag. We didnt' see *anything* of what went into the article either, it was just there already in Grant's hands. We saw nothing, IMO, only Chloe being made the underdog in this ep.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 01:58 AM

But it doesn't mean that EVERY story she works must have a connection to the army.

Chloe had contacts before going to college, so? You have to work to get contacts, you don't get them just in college.

OliviaB

10-05-2007, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
I think the army connection makes it more plausible because she did grow up as an army brat and her dad is currently an active 3 star general. it's not something from completely left field. If wouldn't ring true is if Lois just stated that she got info from obscure or random "contacts". And Lois doesn't have the luxury of having "university contacts" because she's not in college anymore.

All her stories can't be broken/come from leads from her contacts in the army/bases. Of all things for her entrance into the DP? They fall back to old faithful - "contacts" no one sees (which i believe is usually a knock against Chloe having contacts we dont' see...does that mean, these "contacts" don't count either for Nois?)

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01
Eh, to be fair, I think the point some are trying to make is that Chloe is at least *going* to school for it.

And I freely admit, I would love for Lois to go back to school. Heck, I'd love for Clark to go back to school because, at the rate he's going, I don't see how *he* ends up working at the Daily Planet at all. (And there's a double standard there - if Lois should be in college to work at the DP, then Clark can't at some point just walk into the DP and start working there either).

But Lois did spend a year working at a functioning newspaper, even if it was just a tabloid. She has work experience in the field and, a lot of the time, that's enough to at least get you in the door. And Lois - as I pointed out - is still on the bottom rung, not sitting in some corner office somewhere.

I would love to see that too... But then again, I would love to see Lois interested in journalism from the very beginning but I see SV has different idea... LOL...

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
It wan't me that said that. :)

Oh, sorry, hon... ehe... :p

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by OliviaB
All her stories can't be broken/come from leads from her contacts in the army/bases. Of all things for her entrance into the DP? They fall back to old faithful - "contacts" no one sees (which i believe is usually a knock against Chloe having contacts we dont' see...does that mean, these "contacts" don't count either for Nois?) So where do you want her contacts to come from?

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
Project Ares and Level 33.1 aren't the same. You have to remember that.

According to Lex Project Ares has been in the works for "3 years". So it's probably just as significant as 33.1 if not more so.

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by OliviaB
IMO, only Chloe being made the underdog in this ep. Did you notice that the last close up was Chloe that got? With a shocked face? Yeah, underdog, no doubt about that. :)

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
According to Lex Project Ares has been in the works for "3 years". So it's probably just as significant as 33.1 if not more so. Maybe, but it's not the same. I'm not saying it's significant or not. Just that they're not the same. :)

But level 33.1 is more important, because we have seen it since the beginning of Smallville. First, as Lionel's project Level 3. Then Lex discovered it and started but with the name Level 33.1.

puppiesnkittens

10-05-2007, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01

And I freely admit, I would love for Lois to go back to school. Heck, I'd love for Clark to go back to school because, at the rate he's going, I don't see how *he* ends up working at the Daily Planet at all. (And there's a double standard there - if Lois should be in college to work at the DP, then Clark can't at some point just walk into the DP and start working there either).

But Lois did spend a year working at a functioning newspaper, even if it was just a tabloid. She has work experience in the field and, a lot of the time, that's enough to at least get you in the door. And Lois - as I pointed out - is still on the bottom rung, not sitting in some corner office somewhere.

Um, yeah. Clark, at this rate will never be a reporter. He doesn't even mention it. But yet, Lois is the one who gets bashed for every. single. thing. she. does. :rolleyes: I just wonder why that is...

Here is the thing; this show is written in a very sloppy manner. We all know it. Of course they are not going to care if Lois or Clark or even Lana goes to college, they want to show us results now. :rolleyes: We would be too bored if they showed them getting an education according to the writers. And people get ahead in life just fine by having a natural gift without going to college, so why not Lois too? She does have experience and drive. She has drive in spades. LOL

Is this my ideal way for Clark, Lois and Lex to be written into their legendary Superman mythology roles? No, but they are getting them there, just in a very round about way. LOL :eek:

Mary Sullivan

10-05-2007, 02:07 AM

kiariclois No problem. :)

I'd love to keep discussing but now i must go to bed. Bye, people.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Mary Sullivan
kiariclois No problem. :)

I'd love to keep discussing but now i must go to bed. Bye, people.

Sleep tight... Sweet dreams... :)

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Supermansthebest
I am glad that Lois is finally in the Daily Planet but I feel so bad for Chloe...she has always been second best to Lana and now Lois at the Daily Planet - Ouch! I have seen tht hurt face of Chloe before :(

I don't think it's a matter of Chloe being second best. She's number one for Jimmy and it's been bliss. Look where being number one with Clark and Lex has gotten Lana.

Also, with Lois, I think Lois was being sincere when she called Chloe the better writer. Chloe has just made some sacrifices for the sake of Clark's secret and saving the world. She's getting a bit of the bitter side of that... her editor looks on paper and sees someone who's lost their edge. He can't see her tracking down Zoners and helping the proto Justice League... so... I don't thinks it's a matter of Lois being better. I just think Chloe has some decisions to make.

Is she going to reignite the torch? And at what cost?

jazel

10-05-2007, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Sexyman
Please grow up, you are no better than anyone else on this board Jazel. You say a lot of rude things to people on this board. And I am actually really fed up with it. There is no need to get personal like this, like you have with others.

Topic: Well the reason why Lois is a complete joke is because they are basically portraying her as a person who does not work for what she gets. Lois needs to start from the bottom like everyone else, and work her way to the top, not just get all these offers. Lois still hasn't impressed me one bit.

it's a defense mechanism, and I was insulting myself first, so get over it.:p
Basement is the bottom, isn't it ? lol
What's a joke is that some people, put a spin on things that doesn't make sense.

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by jazel
it's a defense mechanism, and I was insulting myself first, so get over it.:p
Basement is the bottom, isn't it ?. Well she started at a tabloid, which some people on this board have made it a point to mention, is even below the basement of the DP :\ So any lower and Lois would have to start from Hell :lol:

jazel

10-05-2007, 06:59 AM

^^^^lol too true, perhaps some fans would feel better, if she was reporting from the gutter ?lol

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by jazel
^^^^lol too true, perhaps some fans would feel better, if she was reporting from the gutter ?lol

Maybe not the gutter but at least 1 english class? Lois probably doesn't know what a participle is at this point. I wonder if she ever got a spell checker (wasn't she spelling everything wrong at first when she started on this show?).....

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 07:26 AM

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Maybe not the gutter but at least 1 english class? Canon proof please that SV Lois did not attend at least 1 english class?:\

I wonder if she ever got a spell checker (wasn't she spelling everything wrong at first when she started on this show?)..... Iconic Lois in all mediums is an atrocious speller.

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
Well she started at a tabloid, which some people on this board have made it a point to mention, is even below the basement of the DP :\ So any lower and Lois would have to start from Hell :lol:

Chloe started out with obituaries and wedding announcements... Lois couldn't start doing something like that?

cotton candy girl

10-05-2007, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Maybe not the gutter but at least 1 english class? Lois probably doesn't know what a participle is at this point.

That's just not how the world works all the time. People are capable of working up through the ranks sometimes even without a college degree. It happens. I have heard of people being pretty successful without a college degree. If Lois can do a good job, good for her.

jazel

10-05-2007, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Um Chloe has her diploma... Lois doesn't...

Chloe is working for her DEGREE now... Lois isn't...

that's fine and dandy for Chloe, but is she writing any attention grabbing articles ?
Grant sees talent in Lois, not understanding why some are making it about Chloe.

ShelbyKent

10-05-2007, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Chloe started out with obituaries and wedding announcements... Lois couldn't start doing something like that? Isn't she covering the Warrior Angel movie set? That's a fluff/filler piece. She's not exactly making headlines there is she? That's something to be buried in the inner sections of a paper.

And during her time at the Inquisitor (which some posters conveniently forget nowadays), she was assigned to do a story on the "chupacabra", a mythical creature comparable to the Yeti :\ Hardly the stuff of any hardcore journalist's dream :(

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by morrigan01

First - Lois didn't set out to work on the 33.1 story, but *got the the heart of it* by other means - Lana getting shot, the Senator, what happened to her friend Wes, etc. And she did all that *on her own*.

Yeah she took evidence that conveniently had a flash drive on it... And if Lois was really Lana's friend you would think we have a scene with Lois and Lana at the hospital no?

And yeah her first kiss Wes... of everyone in the military Lex happened to use the first kiss... and possibly lover of Lois Lane? Ohhhh wow...

Originally posted by morrigan01
Second - Lois' Green Arrow stories is what got her noticed - to the point that everyone in Metropolis was calling him the Green Arrow - the name she gave him (which Chloe herself pointed out).

Lois isn't the one to coin him The Green Arrow... Remember Oliver didn't start out in Metropolis with his gig he started in Star City... their newspapers could have had used that name and Lois just added "Bandit" to her's to make it her own...

Chloe said she would Drop the Bandit and guess what... they did...

Originally posted by morrigan01
Her job at the Inquisitor was only in jeopardy once - after Green Arrow was gone and she was having no luck finding something else to write about. So she asked Chloe for a story - once. And even *then*, she figured out the whole Arena and Titan thing without any help, because Chloe declined if you remember.

The inquisitor sent her to a location for a story... IMO they paid for the flight... She couldn't find none... funny it's the inquisitor all she had to do was interview some locals and that's her proof and fabrication can be used in the article. What I think is funny... I bet the Editor was going to fire her because if she couldn't write an article like that she just had in a sense a paid vacation..

Also she didn't figure out the Titan angle.. she found the picture in the trash and it had the number of the Army Base... and Base her father and her were stationed at... And what happened? She got caught... luckly Clark was there to save her... Also her camera then was taken too... meaning no pictures yet she still wrote the article...

And Chloe should decline... this is Lois freakin Lane and she's the one asking for help for a story? That's messed up!

Originally posted by morrigan01
That, my friend is the Passion everyone keeps talking about and that Grant saw. Even when she had nothing, she still went to try and find *something* at that hanger - even though she had no idea what was going on there - or if there was anything story-wise to write about there. She took a chance and was able to get a good story and keep her job.

That... isn't passion... it's being lucky... the writers hand her stories to her... and purposely tied her to plots... She's being used as a plot device... Bizarro was evident...

Also funny she is known to give up a story... like in Rage... she gave it up because it effected Oliver, her boyfriend..

Passion is going to stories for truth and justice to make the world better... that's Drive.. that's passion...

Lois is only in it for personal reasons... She's been shown to go out at the story for... revenge, fame, and money... it is never for truth or justice...

kal-el_Girl

10-05-2007, 08:46 AM

I don't want lois to be the "star reporter" chloe has worked much much harder for that! and lois...NOT

Joelito

10-05-2007, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Runestone
She's cracked lots of stories. The problem is, she doesn't write or publish them because they usually have something to do with Clark.

I hope this is a wake up call for her.
I agree...when she was the last time she found a story without involving Clark? TPTBs are making a good job starting to write her off :(

harryandginnyfanatic

10-05-2007, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
I don't want lois to be the "star reporter" chloe has worked much much harder for that! and lois...NOT

Unfortuanately in the future Lois is the star reporter.

She falls into the category of mytho characters who have a future after Smallville. The future that involves Clark becoming Superman and Lex becoming evil. And in that future Lois and Clark are the star reporters for the Daily Planet.

Chloe and Lionel shouldn't be considered a factor when it comes to the big picture.

ClarksNextGF

10-05-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by jazel
that's fine and dandy for Chloe, but is she writing any attention grabbing articles ?
Grant sees talent in Lois, not understanding why some are making it about Chloe.

How exactly does he see talent in Lois - he knows nothing about her. Did I miss the part where he said he has read her articles, cuz I don't remember that.

He just walks in - offers Lois a job, and insults Chloe. Almost how Lois got her job at the Inquisitor - didn't work for it, and didn't earn it. Just all the sudden - there it is.

Billy Jor-El

10-05-2007, 09:50 AM

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Chloe leave the DP, go on to a better job, then coming back as the Editor (prior to Perry White taking his place in history), and firing that sorry A$$ Grant!

I think he has the hots for Lois and that's why she can do no wrong. Perhaps he's ultimately threatened by the intellect of Chloe. Drop dead "Bow Tie!!!"

thehenry89

10-05-2007, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by ClarksNextGF
How exactly does he see talent in Lois - he knows nothing about her. Did I miss the part where he said he has read her articles, cuz I don't remember that.

If you'll recall Lois said something to the effect of "My cousin can write circles around me..." so i'm thinking she's just as suprised about getting that job as you are.

samanta

10-05-2007, 09:56 AM

I wouldn't say poor Chloe.
Who says she will be second best to Lois?

thehenry89

10-05-2007, 09:58 AM

"poor Chloe" has been spending the majority of her time playing choogle for Clark. if you want to blame someone for her lack of upward mobility at the planet then she's it.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by ClarksNextGF
How exactly does he see talent in Lois - he knows nothing about her. Did I miss the part where he said he has read her articles, cuz I don't remember that.

He just walks in - offers Lois a job, and insults Chloe. Almost how Lois got her job at the Inquisitor - didn't work for it, and didn't earn it. Just all the sudden - there it is.

I think he sensed something in Lois. For the editor of the paper to be wandering around the DP... I'm sure he's scoping things out and listening. Something about Lois and Chloe's conversation caught his attention. Since he's constantly saying the word "passion" and I'm thinking that's what caught his attention. Someone talking about a story with remarkable passion in her voice. He assumed she worked there and was excited to meet her. It's an instinct... a gut level thing.

Lois did work for her job at the Inquisitor. I get that you guys don't like her but it's just untrue that she didn't work hard. She earned her way into a freelance article with the weather story. Then she was offered a position, took it and probably wrote several articles, including the famous ones about Green Arrow Bandit, and was embarking on a story about Lex and his super soldiers.

If Lois found out of Green Arrow, and sat on the story b/c she didn't want to hurt Oliver, and then some other reporter found out about the Green Arrow on their own steam and wrote the Article... that's not stealing, that's the nature of the game.

Chloe Sullivan has had really really good reasons for sitting on articles, buring them, trying to hide the truth of them from Lois, trying to derail Lois' investigations... but because of it, she may miss out on the Lexcorp story of her career. It's not because Lois is stealing it. It's because Chloe has buried it over the years to protect Clark's secret and now, because she's meteor infected and Lex has threatened to make her life hell.

Perhaps Chloe will change her mind and write the story in spite of Lex' threats. It seemed at the end of Progeny, that Chloe was ready to help on the Superhero end to take down Lex, rather than on the Journalism end.

But to blame it all on Lois. LOL! That's like saying Chloe stubbed her toe and it's not the rock's fault, it's Lois'. So much has gone on in the seven years that we've know Chloe... so much that has nothing to do with Lois. When I think of Chloe in seasons 1-3, charging after Meteor Freak stories on a wave of fierce optimism. She could be top of the DP in a heart beat. But she's sent all her creative powers in to helping heroes save the world. And she's forced herself to be disciplined and hardworking when it came to journalism... rather than passionate. How can you be passionate about run of the mill stories? But she saw it as paying her dues.

From her conversation with Pauline, she's trying to pay her dues, and be a good girl so to speak, going to college... etc. etc. Well now she's got a new editor that would rather have Season 1-3 Chloe writing passionately about the meteor infected.

It's not about Chloe being "better" than Lois in general. It's about an editor with a different value system. Yeah he was an a**. But on paper... what he's saying makes sense. Look at Clark. On paper he's just a mediocre farmer. But he's saving lives all the time. *shrug*

I knew this would once again be made into a Chloe vs. Lois thing (by Chloe AND Lois fans) which is so boring. I'm glad that the show tackled it with more depth than that. The editor was ruthless about the bottom line but both Chloe and Lois had higher priorities. The whole episode Lois defends Chloe. And near the end the midst of being insulted by her insensitive Editor, Chloe defends Lois' writing and goes to bat for her. I love Chloe. This season could prove as exciting for her development as learning Clark's secret in Season 5.

When it rains it pours. Finding out you're meteor infected, dying, being accused by your editor of losing your edge... what's next? I hope they keep these plot threads going strong all season. Chloe's up to it for sure. I'm excited to see what she'll do when she recovers from the barrage.

Originally posted by samanta
I wouldn't say poor Chloe.
Who says she will be second best to Lois?

For real. In Lois' opinion, Chloe is the best. Just because the editor likes Lois' style... *shrug* He ain't seen nothin' yet! I hope.

MissLadyVenus

10-05-2007, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
Yep. Who needs a wannabe ad filler when you have a real reporter that's willing take more of a risk than just sitting back and writing everything off as too far fetched. It's those reporters that take a chance that really become successful.
I know what's gonna be in Chloe's Christmas stocking . . . a pink slip if she doesn't get off her duff and start performing better on the job.

Better job?

Chloe's been handed that job unfairly. If you ask me I think her rise to the top is COMPLETELY unrealistic. She never really earned any of her accomplishments.

Originally Chloe was only introduced to the DP by Lionel Luthor who arm twisted the DP to give her a column. She never earned it on merits.

Same goes for her second entrance into the Planet yet gets in with a tabloid'y article on Vampires. And on top of that after her connection with Lionel's dealing were exposed. Ridiculous. I like how all the Anti-Lois'ers like to ridicule Lois for working at the Inquisitor when Chloe isn't even capable of writing good articles on her own.

Let's not forget in the eppy Exposed, it was Lois who gave her that story. It was Lois that did all the ground breaking investigation.

samanta

10-05-2007, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Originally Chloe was only introduced to the DP by Lionel Luthor who arm twisted the DP to give her a column. She never earned it on merits.

No. Watch again season 1.

MissLadyVenus

10-05-2007, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by samanta
No. Watch again season 1.

It was because she made a pact with Lionel that she got her column. Even betraying Clark in the process.

samanta

10-05-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by ginnyfan

For real. In Lois' opinion, Chloe is the best. Just because the editor likes Lois' style... *shrug* He ain't seen nothin' yet! I hope. Exactly. Chloe isn't comic canon character. So there is no saying who's or will be better reporter.
I don't know why people likes to argue about it so much. It's just reason to bash Lois or Chloe IMO.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
It was because she made a pact with Lionel that she got her column. Even betraying Clark in the process. It was season 2 or 3.
In season 1 she got there because of her own article about being buried alive or something.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 10:43 AM

Chloe and Jimmy were high school interns at the Daily Planet. Chloe earned that by being the kick a** editor at the Torch.

Later she betrayed Clark and was given a column by Lionel Luthor.

That came back to bite her (giggle) when she applied for the job at the Planet, but Pauline liked Chloe and her (unprintable) Vampire story and put her in the basement...

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Yeah she took evidence that conveniently had a flash drive on it... And if Lois was really Lana's friend you would think we have a scene with Lois and Lana at the hospital no?

And yeah her first kiss Wes... of everyone in the military Lex happened to use the first kiss... and possibly lover of Lois Lane? Ohhhh wow...

Um - so? Come on, there've been worse coincidences on Smallville than this.

Lois isn't the one to coin him The Green Arrow... Remember Oliver didn't start out in Metropolis with his gig he started in Star City... their newspapers could have had used that name and Lois just added "Bandit" to her's to make it her own...

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Chloe said point blank that everyone was calling Green Arrow, the name Lois made up for him.

I love how some people now keep trying to take the naming of Green Arrow away from Lois, when it was stated out loud - by Chloe - that Lois was the one who named him that.

Chloe said she would Drop the Bandit and guess what... they did...

Chloe didn't say they would drop the "Bandit" - she said people already *had*.

Chloe had nothing to do with naming or re-naming Green Arrow. Period.

The inquisitor sent her to a location for a story... IMO they paid for the flight... She couldn't find none... funny it's the inquisitor all she had to do was interview some locals and that's her proof and fabrication can be used in the article. What I think is funny... I bet the Editor was going to fire her because if she couldn't write an article like that she just had in a sense a paid vacation..

That is all nothing but pure speculation on you part, with zero facts to back yourself up. Whereas from what was shown in the actual episodes, Lois' Green Arrow articles were a hit. When that well dried up, she went looking for something else and hadn't written something for a while before she finally found the fight arena story.

Also she didn't figure out the Titan angle.. she found the picture in the trash and it had the number of the Army Base... and Base her father and her were stationed at... And what happened? She got caught... luckly Clark was there to save her... Also her camera then was taken too... meaning no pictures yet she still wrote the article...

And Chloe should decline... this is Lois freakin Lane and she's the one asking for help for a story? That's messed up!

Oh come on! You can't have it both ways. One minute, Lois has no talent, the next, she Lois Lane and should be able to do something herself.

Which is it please?

That... isn't passion... it's being lucky... the writers hand her stories to her... and purposely tied her to plots... She's being used as a plot device... Bizarro was evident...

Also funny she is known to give up a story... like in Rage... she gave it up because it effected Oliver, her boyfriend..

Passion is going to stories for truth and justice to make the world better... that's Drive.. that's passion...

Lois is only in it for personal reasons... She's been shown to go out at the story for... revenge, fame, and money... it is never for truth or justice...

Oh please. Now you're just being willfully hateful and ignorant. Lois perused the Green Arrow story because she thought he was dangerous and a menace to society - which she said point blank to Oliver when he tried to get her to drop it.

Doesn't matter if she was right about GA motives in the end. She felt he was doing wrong and was out to stop it.

I'm really censoring myself with this post. Because that last stuff your wrote is so obviously off the mark and an attempt to just build Chloe up that it's just pathetic.

But hey, if you want to ignore all the bad stuff your precious Chloe has done before in trying to get a job at the Planet and so forth (I will never forget her selling out herself to Lionel Luthor), then go right ahead if it makes you feel better. But Chloe is not saint, always fighting for truth and justice and whatever other slogans from the Superman mythos you keep wanting to throw out. She didn't name Green Arrow, no matter how much you wish it. And Lois is not only into journalism for money and fame and, if you think so then you pretty much didn't pay any attention to her or her character arc last season.

I've had it. I'm done arguing this with people who believe that Chloe can do absolutely no wrong and Lois - even after cutting her own skills down in favor of her cousin - can do absolutely no right. You don't *want* to see anything other than those things, and nothing I say is going to change that.

Enjoy hating Lois and defying Chloe and everything she's ever done or will do - good or bad. I hope it makes you feel better. Because, in the end, Lois is still going to be at the DP, and learning and growing to become the star reporter she was always meant to for whatever reason you want to keep believing she is.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:03 PM

FREAK4LLL:P

10-05-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
It was because she made a pact with Lionel that she got her column. Even betraying Clark in the process.

No. The first internship Chloe received from the DP was strictly due to her writing. Then Lionel gave her a column which put a roadblock up for her getting back into the DP. Of course, Chloe overcame that. Vampires was a stupid idea but, that's SV writers. The story was true and got Chloe back into the DP.

You must only watch Lois scenes or view them with a specific context because your facts are wrong and clearly biased towards Lois. Why, be biased towards THIS loser Lois, I just don't get.

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
It was because she made a pact with Lionel that she got her column. Even betraying Clark in the process.

Also, she agreed to work for Lionel and never gave him a thing. She LIED to Lionel and got the gig without giving anything up on Clark. This is even specified verbally in the show.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by FREAK4LLL:P
Why, be biased towards THIS loser Lois, I just don't get.

and name calling isn't being biased ?:p
poor Lois, no matter her direction, she can do no right for some fans. I enjoyed the epi and her entry into the DP.
in the coming epis, guess we'll see the cuzs going at it.lol
Atleast NOBODY can claim a sexual attraction thing between Lo and Grant. :lol:

jimmyolsenblues

10-05-2007, 12:14 PM

TPTB could have written a story where Lois is working hard on her stories and gets a call from the daily planet , sight unseen. TPTB also could have written a story where it is clear that Chloe's passion for great journalism has taken a step back because she spends all her working time help clark.
Instead what the TPTB wrote exactly what they wanted to happen.
Now we are fighting , Lois is good vs Chloe is good.
Chloe was treated badly by her editor for no constructive reason, and it appears that lois received her job because of her physical beauty and not for her journalistic talents.

jaime,oburg

10-05-2007, 12:19 PM

I just think that it didn't make any sense for GG to continuely put Chloe down. You don't have to tear one character down to elevate another's standing. (Side note ) I'm not really impressed with the new editor just yet. Not sure if I'm just not thrilled with the actor they went with or maybe the character just needs to grow on me a bit. From scene one, ED and JH had great chemistry. I just didn't get that vibe with Lois' new love interest. In any case, belittling Chloe's accomplishments at the DP wasn't necessary to elevate Lois' character. It only serves to encourage the ridulous storyline that now ChloLo HAVE to be in competition with one another. I personally dislike this idea because we have been shown evidence since Lois came to SV how close the cousins are and how much they care for one another. Oh but how we need the drama on this show, don't we? Ughh... It's a big paper. There is plenty of room in journalism for more than one really passionate, intellient and beautiful woman.

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
TPTB could have written a story where Lois is working hard on her stories and gets a call from the daily planet , sight unseen. TPTB also could have written a story where it is clear that Chloe's passion for great journalism has taken a step back because she spends all her working time help clark.
Instead what the TPTB wrote exactly what they wanted to happen.
Now we are fighting , Lois is good vs Chloe is good.
Chloe was treated badly by her editor for no constructive reason, and it appears that lois received her job because of her physical beauty and not for her journalistic talents.

This is how I saw it go down as well.:\

FREAK4LLL:P

10-05-2007, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by jazel
and name calling isn't being biased ?:p
poor Lois, no matter her direction, she can do no right for some fans. I enjoyed the epi and her entry into the DP.
in the coming epis, guess we'll see the cuzs going at it.lol
Atleast NOBODY can claim a sexual attraction thing between Lo and Grant. :lol:

Oh no! I never meant to imply that I wasn't biased. No one can claim sexual attraction? Please, explain to me why the editor of the DP would believe a spaceship story from a total stranger while also having a clear distaste for the Inquisitor? Did Grant read any of her articles or see a shred of her writing? Give me an intelligent reasoning for that and I'll believe that no sexual atraction was implied.

Of course I am biased. This Lois was ruined very early on and they keep giving her free ins. Why didn't the have this editor call Lois in after reading an inquisitor article? They could've written it that way. They didn't. They clearly wanted to tick a few folks off. If you were a SVLois fan, it's par for the course. If you aren't? This is one of those reasons why and the writers clearly sought to perpetuate the notion.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
and it appears that lois received her job because of her physical beauty and not for her journalistic talents.

:eek: WHAT ??? how the hell did ya come up with that theory ?
Love interest ?:lol:
There was NO indication, that that's where this relationship was going. Wish you guys wouldn't let the spoilers cloud your preception, of the actual epi.:p

jaime,oburg

10-05-2007, 12:36 PM

Both characters deserve better writing.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by FREAK4LLL:P
Oh no! I never meant to imply that I wasn't biased. No one can claim sexual attraction? Please, explain to me why the editor of the DP would believe a spaceship story from a total stranger while also having a clear distaste for the Inquisitor? Did Grant read any of her articles or see a shred of her writing? Give me an intelligent reasoning for that and I'll believe that no sexual atraction was implied.

Of course I am biased. This Lois was ruined very early on and they keep giving her free ins. Why didn't the have this editor call Lois in after reading an inquisitor article? They could've written it that way. They didn't. They clearly wanted to tick a few folks off. If you were a SVLois fan, it's par for the course. If you aren't? This is one of those reasons why and the writers clearly sought to perpetuate the notion.

Guess you missed the little speech from GG about why he's able to sell papers. He knows what readers want to read obviously.
Saw NO signs of sexual attraction. Believe it's spoilers that are clouding peoples perception here..
He's got what 5 epi's left ? Don't see anything really serious happening between the pair anyway.
I like Lois, and she's refreshing to watch. If only for the fact she's the ONLY one in SV, who's completey unsuspecting of CK. Can't even say that about Jimmy or Lex.lol
some secret, when everybody and their mama knows it.:lol:
Did anybody appreciate Chloe's little crack about the love of primary colors remark ? Don't think CK did.:lol:

samanta

10-05-2007, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
TPTB could have written a story where Lois is working hard on her stories and gets a call from the daily planet , sight unseen. TPTB also could have written a story where it is clear that Chloe's passion for great journalism has taken a step back because she spends all her working time help clark.
Instead what the TPTB wrote exactly what they wanted to happen.
Now we are fighting , Lois is good vs Chloe is good.
Chloe was treated badly by her editor for no constructive reason, and it appears that lois received her job because of her physical beauty and not for her journalistic talents. I couldn't agree more.

I just can believe that people are fighting about this when in this episode we have Kara and return of Lana.

Originally posted by jazel
:eek: WHAT ??? how the hell did ya come up with that theory ?
Love interest ?:lol:
There was NO indication, that that's where this relationship was going. Wish you guys wouldn't let the spoilers cloud your preception, of the actual epi.:p I hope you're right because GG looked more like younger brother to Lois than love interest IMO.

jazel

10-05-2007, 12:47 PM

wasn't very manly, was he ? LOL

samanta

10-05-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by jazel
wasn't very manly, was he ? LOL He's probably cousin of Jimmy :)

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by jazel
Guess you missed the little speech from GG about why he's able to sell papers. He knows what readers want to read obviously.

Apparently not, judging by his little tirade against the Inquisitor. So they don't compete with the DP, but he hires a reporter from their because she has a story about a UFO....

And I really don't see why you fault Chloe for trying to downplay the "UFO" story. Going so far as to say she's lost her passion for journalism because of it? Um, hello, you can be passionate about your job while still protecting your best friend's secret, last time I checked.

Having Clark as a friend is not mutually exclusive to working at the DP, otherwise I guess you can kiss Clois goodbye too now.

samanta

10-05-2007, 12:57 PM

Well, there was one positive when GG was speaking about Chloe. We know for sure that she's still studying.
Now, only get back Lois, Lana and Clark to college to and I will be happy.

StrippedSmile

10-05-2007, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by samanta
He's probably cousin of Jimmy :) HA. I was thinking the exact same thing. They look kinda alike..skinny, bowties...
:D

jazel

10-05-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
Apparently not, judging by his little tirade against the Inquisitor. So they don't compete with the DP, but he hires a reporter from their because she has a story about a UFO....

And I really don't see why you fault Chloe for trying to downplay the "UFO" story. Going so far as to say she's lost her passion for journalism because of it? Um, hello, you can be passionate about your job while still protecting your best friend's secret, last time I checked.

Having Clark as a friend is not mutually exclusive to working at the DP, otherwise I guess you can kiss Clois goodbye too now.

he(GG) was on his way to an awards ceremony, wasn't he ?
something about being "praised" and acknowledged by his peers.
so apparently he does know something about selling papers.
don't get me wrong, not really liking the guy, he seems like an ass.
Must Chloe always choose protecting CK, over being support of Lois ?
Chloe w/ her Wall of Weird, should atleast be supportive and understanding of Lo, and not dismissive like she is. Sure she's protecting CK, but she's probably without even her knowledge, hurting Lo.:(
actually as EVERYBODY is quick to point out, Clois will never happen in SV. :p

Originally posted by StrippedSmile
HA. I was thinking the exact same thing. They look kinda alike..skinny, bowties...
:D

he has pretty eyes,lol

samanta

10-05-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by StrippedSmile
HA. I was thinking the exact same thing. They look kinda alike..skinny, bowties...
:D :lol:
It has to be scary family :)

Dustmite

10-05-2007, 01:37 PM

I can understand the sentiment behind this thread but I'm not worried about Chloe at all. What's important is that the focus is on Chloe's journalism this season. It's been brought back to the forefront. Chloe's going to want to prove the editor wrong and IMO she's going to succeed. She wants the truth and he wants to sell newspapers. Bring it on as far as I'm concerned.

aqgalaxy

10-05-2007, 01:46 PM

This is what you get when you don't see a smiling Chloe

Mello Penelo

10-05-2007, 01:47 PM

Y'know, Grant Gabriel is good for the show. Since last night, I've seen so many people angry with him for the way he spoke to Chloe. They're saying, "It was just to make her feel bad and get into Lois' pants," blah blah blah. It isn't.

Grant is right. When Pauline Khan told Chloe her stuff from the Torch wasn't any good, no one said a word. They were too busy fanwanking over Princess Leia being on Smallville.

The truth is, Pauline and Grant are right. Chloe's gotten complacent and her credibility doesn't count for much. While Chloe was at the Torch, she wrote about a butt load of stuff she couldn't prove. It all seemed like sensational journalism. It can destroy your career.

Then, when Chloe wrote about lesbian vampires, Pauline Khan gave her the benefit of the doubt. She saw the merit in her writing, but knew the story was crap.

Since Chloe's found out Clark's secret, journalism has been on the back burner for her. Not just that, but she's trying to repair her credibility from the UFO stuff she did in high school. She's gotten complacent.

She has lost the fire she had in earlier seasons. It's time for her to get it back. Now, Chloe fans put away the pitchforks, tar and feathers you're planning to use on Grant and look at it from his point of view.

He's the editor of a major newspaper, regardless of his age. Howell Raines joined the New York Times in his early 30s.

Chloe needed a good butt kicking and she got one. It had nothing to do with Grant wanting to get into Lois' pants.

samanta

10-05-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Mello Penelo

Chloe needed a good butt kicking and she got one. It had nothing to do with Grant wanting to get into Lois' pants. :lol:
It would be definitely interesting seducing tactic. Insult cousin and get a date ;)

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
This is what you get when you don't see a smiling Chloe True. It's getting rather depressing without Chloe's smile.

jazel

10-05-2007, 02:23 PM

Chloe with a confused look on her face is rare, she usually has ALL the answers. Bet AM is having fun playing her.;)

dimeo782002

10-05-2007, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by SGMD1
WOW this is eerie...i just logged on here thinking i'd start a thread with this EXACT same title...crazy

grant gabriel is a dick!
i totally agree with you !
someone earlier said that chloe fans need a wake up call ! how about we keep our comments on the show rather than bashing eachother i do not need a wake up call to see what a great character chloe is !
people are just a little upset cause grant was really harsh towards chloe, one put down would be one thing but he kept going like the energizer bunny , and to me that is uncalled for.

Dor el

10-05-2007, 03:13 PM

Shame on all the naysayers regarding Chloe. Yes, she has had to bury some stories to protect her alien friend. Admirable, I think. She had recently discovered that she is a meteor freak and is trying to come to terms with that. She has been dissed by Lana, her best friend. She has been threatened by his Lexiness. She essentially lost her mother. Again. School was trashed by Zod. Her father is nowhere to be found. She has been possessed by a ghost and slit her wrists via ghostly influence. Bad orderly boy tried to kill her and Lois. Now, she's been to death and back. So, I'd say that Chloe has had some distractions in her life. I'd say that she may be having some self doubts and Gabriel may have made matters worse in this arena. Her burden is heavy and there are few to help her apart from Clark. And he seems preoccupied too. Clark needs to be nicer to Chloe and recognize more outwardly what she has given up for him. Chloe needs to dig deep down within herself and regain her fire, her confidence, and her edge. I think she can and I think she will or she will die trying.

Or maybe being Watchtower is her calling.

Joren DarkStar

10-05-2007, 03:26 PM

I think you guys are missing something.

Lois and Chloe are too similar - they both aren't going to work at the Planet in the upper levels - only Lois is.

And with meteor freak on her mind, Chloe is going to be very preoccupied to be a serious journalist.

This wasn't to light a fire under Chloe's butt - this is the start of a re-evaluation for Chloe, that will lead to a career change, and also open the door for Lois at the Planet.

Chloe will no longer be a journalist by the time she is done with this season.

That said, it isn't necessarily a bad thing; she needs to come to grips with her meteor freak powers, and she has some issues she needs to move past with regards to herself.

I think that when she is done, she'll become a valuable asset - not in the field of journalism, but rather with a new career path - one that makes use of her hacking and cracking skills, and possibly her freak nature as well - probably something covert.

In the end, I think it will be good for Chloe - because as much as she used to want to be a journalist, people make life-changing decisions every day, and I think whatever Chloe ends up pursuing next will be something she REALLY will want, at the end of it all.

In fact, I could see her being Lois's foil - Lois trying to get to the bottom of stories, and Chloe trying to sabotage that.

For me, I'd be interested in that fascinating dynamic.

Ms. Mack

10-05-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Joren DarkStar

Chloe will no longer be a journalist by the time she is done with this season.

I don't think that TBTP are always truthful when they make certain comments, however I do remember reading an interview with one of them that stated Chloe would never give up on being a reporter.

I do think this season is going to change the dynamic of her and Lois's relationship with the DP, but I don't think she'll quit.

StrippedSmile

10-05-2007, 03:51 PM

I've always thought reporter/journalist was an awesome job, and I want Chloe to have it. I don't see why Lois and Chloe can't just both be journalists/reporters. Competition? Sure, why not.

If she can't have the reporter/journalist role, I want her to become evil and get a job as a lawyer. That's the second best job there is

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Dor el

Or maybe being Watchtower is her calling.

I think you mean Oracle.

And hey, Barbara Gordon hasn't gotten shot yet, so the job is open. :)

jazel

10-05-2007, 03:53 PM

I can see chloe w/ the FBI or CIA, her hacking skills seem more dominate than her writing articles.;)

The_Frag_Man

10-05-2007, 03:59 PM

Clearly Chloe should be president.

Dustmite

10-05-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Clearly Chloe should be president.....

.....of the world.

Lobby4Chloe

10-05-2007, 04:01 PM

I'd like to see Chloe give up the Planet and go off in a new direction, perhaps with her new powers - anything's possible for Chloe. She doesn't have to be the newspaper girl anymore.

samanta

10-05-2007, 04:08 PM

hanemg

10-05-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by The_Frag_Man
Clearly Chloe should be president.

:rotfl:

I think you're starting to get it. :p

Minela

10-05-2007, 04:18 PM

I don't think Chloe will be giving up on the Planet just yet. You'll see.

On a side note, if Chloe doesn't succed at the Planet and Clark joins becoming Lois' partner...that means she will get kicked three fold. 1. she'll loose her status as sidekick. 2. she'll loose her reporter thing to Lois. 3. she'll loose her reporter thing to Clark. Wow, that's kinda bad. Ouch.

Krpyto

10-05-2007, 04:18 PM

Dont cry too hard for "poor Chloe." The spoilers for next episode reveals that :

"Chloe gets the scoop on a major story for the Planet."

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Joren DarkStar
I think you guys are missing something.

Lois and Chloe are too similar - they both aren't going to work at the Planet in the upper levels - only Lois is.

And with meteor freak on her mind, Chloe is going to be very preoccupied to be a serious journalist.

This wasn't to light a fire under Chloe's butt - this is the start of a re-evaluation for Chloe, that will lead to a career change, and also open the door for Lois at the Planet.

Chloe will no longer be a journalist by the time she is done with this season.

That said, it isn't necessarily a bad thing; she needs to come to grips with her meteor freak powers, and she has some issues she needs to move past with regards to herself.

I think that when she is done, she'll become a valuable asset - not in the field of journalism, but rather with a new career path - one that makes use of her hacking and cracking skills, and possibly her freak nature as well - probably something covert.

In the end, I think it will be good for Chloe - because as much as she used to want to be a journalist, people make life-changing decisions every day, and I think whatever Chloe ends up pursuing next will be something she REALLY will want, at the end of it all.

In fact, I could see her being Lois's foil - Lois trying to get to the bottom of stories, and Chloe trying to sabotage that.

For me, I'd be interested in that fascinating dynamic.

Great post. I am aware of this possibility... which is why I've said that Chloe has choices to make. I don't think Chloe and Lois are too similar... It would made me sad to see Chloe leave journalism behind and I think it would be fun to see the differences between them as they go head to head... (kind of like Exposed... though Lois was Chloe's "side kick" in that episode) but I am aware that she might choose a different path. I think the set up is good because it really brings Chloe's crossroads into focus... at the same time as Lois is presented with a crossroad by the editor.

SmallvilleAngel07

10-05-2007, 04:31 PM

Chloe loves Lois to death.. She is a little jealous though. Being a journalist was something she always did that no one else in her family did.. I guess she thought it was just her thing. I still think Chloe will be a better journalist though!

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 04:35 PM

I don't think between Chloe and Lois that it is a matter of ability... I think it's a matter of choice. If Chloe doesn't come out on top it will be because she's chosen to divide her focus or focus on something else... not because she's a lesser reporter. Yeah that's what Grant was suggesting but both Lois and (hopefully) Chloe knew that he was wrong. However, what is the value of ability that you sit on? Chloe has some decisions to make. It's exciting.

MissLadyVenus

10-05-2007, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I don't think between Chloe and Lois that it is a matter of ability... I think it's a matter of choice. If Chloe doesn't come out on top it will be because she's chosen to divide her focus or focus on something else... not because she's a lesser reporter. Yeah that's what Grant was suggesting but both Lois and (hopefully) Chloe knew that he was wrong. However, what is the value of ability that you sit on? Chloe has some decisions to make. It's exciting.

Lois has and always will be the better reporter.

She's tenacious, has spirit and knows how to go after a story.

Chloe pales by comparison.

samanta

10-05-2007, 04:44 PM

I've just rewatched the scene with Chloe, Lois and editor. I don't get why people think Chloe was jealous. First she was trying to protect Lois when GG was saying her articel was ridiculous, then she was hurt and later confused and surprised. I don't know when she was supposed to be jealous.
I hope Lois and Chloe will be team.

ginnyfan

10-05-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by MissLadyVenus
Lois has and always will be the better reporter.

She's tenacious, has spirit and knows how to go after a story.

Chloe pales by comparison.

Yeah but you can't deny that while Lois has been giving journalism her 110% Chloe has been giving that to Clark. So I fully believe that if she'd been focused on journalism for the past two years Chloe would be as much of a contender for the editor's praise as Lois is.

She'd be different but as good. And by now... with the head start she had in high school... who knows maybe better.

SaberFireTiger

10-05-2007, 04:47 PM

I feel bad for Chloe but it isn't like he is all that wrong. She hasn't been doing any investigative reporting since high school. All thanks to Clark over here. I think Lois can do a better job than Chloe in that she doesn't have to work a side job for our future man of steel.

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by jazel

Must Chloe always choose protecting CK, over being support of Lois ?
Chloe w/ her Wall of Weird, should atleast be supportive and understanding of Lo, and not dismissive like she is. Sure she's protecting CK, but she's probably without even her knowledge, hurting Lo.:(

On one hand, she pursues Kara's ship with Lois, making Lois feel happy until she ruins Clark's life and moves on to the next story. On the other hand, keep Clark's secret and let Lois find a more harmless story. Hmmm.... tough decision.

Chloe and Lois have a close relationship, this one story isn't going to ruin Lois's life OR their bond. She's much too outgoing to get depressed over Chloe not wanting to write about a UFO with her. It's MUCH more disastrous for her to let Clark's secret get out.

I don't see anything wrong with her actions concerning the story or Lois, she made the best of a bad situation.

Clark needs to support her a lot more though, or she's gonna snap. :/

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by kal-el_Girl
I don't want lois to be the "star reporter" chloe has worked much much harder for that! and lois...NOT

Lois worked hard as well, even not as hard as Chloe. She's gonna be a star reporter. Her enthusiasm was just about to start.

I re-watched the episode and I was really amazed by Allison's acting (Aside from Laura's and Erica's acting). She was really shocked hearing Grant's words. I felt for her character but I'm still liking the fact that she's being told off about her work. Although, yes, I don't wanna see that happen again. Hopefully, Chloe would gear up into her reporter mode like in first four seasons. To be honest, I haven't seen her so very enthusiastic about writing like she used to in the first four seasons (I missed the Torch :p ). There is but not really like she used to. Maybe it was after her finding out about Clark.

I'm still hoping for Chlo-lo interaction in the future. Although, I have a bad feeling about this.

samanta

10-05-2007, 04:56 PM

I don't know why there can't be two star reporters in DP.
I think now that Clark has Kara, Chloe will have more time for her work.
I don't think Chloe has lost her spark but just don't have so much time for it since she has to take care of Clark all the time.

Honey45

10-05-2007, 04:57 PM

Is it just me?

I don't feel bad for Chloe.
Bosses are mean. Jobs are unfair. Welcome to the adult world.

I don't mean this to be rude, but come on. She's what.. 20? 21? Suck it up.

samanta

10-05-2007, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by HeddyH
Is it just me?

I don't feel bad for Chloe.
Bosses are mean. Jobs are unfair. Welcome to the adult world.

I don't mean this to be rude, but come on. She's what.. 20? 21? Suck it up. I agree. I don't think it was so bad. Sure, it wasn't pleasant situation but it wasn't the end of her world. It wasn't as she cried her heart out because of it either. She was sad for awhile but in the end of episode she was ok.
I don't get what's this drama about.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 05:07 PM

I loved watching last night's epi..except for the scenes where The new editor at the daily Planet seem to go out of his way to humiliate Chloe every single time...in the presence of Lois...I don't blame Lois..It is about time that she starts working at the Daily Planet...But the writers did not need to have some ******* editor..criticizing Chloe and putting her down like that..that just rubbed me the wrong way...It just was not done right...Oh so not cool...Chloe has been there since day one and has more passion than any character in Smallville.In scene after scene has proved her worth so much in that role....That was just so ******** ..the writers obviously could have it better...i think it is pure laziness on there part..writing those crappy scenes..Come on writers..if you don't care..why should we..

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by samanta
I don't know why there can't be two star reporters in DP.
I think now that Clark has Kara, Chloe will have more time for her work.
I don't think Chloe has lost her spark but just don't have so much time for it since she has to take care of Clark all the time.

ehe... there can be two or three star reporter... Good point! ehe

I dunno... Chloe is already a star reporter (right? well, she is, for me) The fact that Lois' gonna be one just doesn't pleased some people...

operadiva

10-05-2007, 05:18 PM

All i can say is ..that new editor was an ass...more to say

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by operadiva
All i can say is ..that new editor was an ass...more to say

Yes, he is and I believe that's one way of motivating their staff :p

operadiva

10-05-2007, 05:27 PM

NO..you don't have to humiliate someone to put someone else on a pedestal...It was bad writing...Laziness on the writers part....And..how the hell do you judge one 's writing by reading one article...And then getting hired ..when there is no story..hum..that was stupid..it is obvious this new editor was thinking with his d..k!!..not his brain......

umm

10-05-2007, 05:41 PM

I have no worries, I know Chloe will come back strong and prove Grant wrong! Besides who cares about him anyway, he is not the Chief in Editor, he can't fire her, and if he tries making her life a living hell, she will make him regret it, cos that's our girl! Actually I can't wait for him to see how wrong he was!

dimeo782002

10-05-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by operadiva
NO..you don't have to humiliate someone to put someone else on a pedestal...It was bad writing...Laziness on the writers part....And..how the hell do you judge one 's writing by reading one article...And then getting hired ..when there is no story..hum..that was stupid..it is obvious this new editor was thinking with his d..k!!..not his brain......
i agree and i think it was totally uncalled for how he acted unprofessional and completely !@#$%$# rude !
if he wants to impress lois fine ! , but to beat someone emotionally like that is not right he is an ass , just like someone said in the earlier post so i quote ,

HE'S AN ASS NEED I SAY MORE !

cotton candy girl

10-05-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by samanta
I agree. I don't think it was so bad. Sure, it wasn't pleasant situation but it wasn't the end of her world. It wasn't as she cried her heart out because of it either. She was sad for awhile but in the end of episode she was ok.
I don't get what's this drama about.

Word. What, Chloe can't face adversity? She has to be coddled like a little puppy? I pretty much think she can stick up for herself.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 05:51 PM

Thank you...I hope she ***** slaps him..when she ever loses control of her power...

Dustmite

10-05-2007, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Word. What, Chloe can't face any adversity? She has to be coddled like a little puppy?

Being kidnapped, experimented on, tagged like an animal, discovering your a MF, having you mom kidnapped and used by Lex Luthor and losing her again, being threatened by Lex, dying, waking up in a morgue and discovering that one of your best friends is dead all in one year.

Chloe sure has had it easy.

Minela

10-05-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by samanta
I've just rewatched the scene with Chloe, Lois and editor. I don't get why people think Chloe was jealous. First she was trying to protect Lois when GG was saying her articel was ridiculous, then she was hurt and later confused and surprised. I don't know when she was supposed to be jealous.
I hope Lois and Chloe will be team.

Actually, I was a little ticked of at Chloe in that episode. Not too much since I was too busy doing my happy dance for Lois, but I've been feeling like that for a while. Chloe is always the one who is pushing the other characters to get into journalism, esspecially Clark and Lois. I think she just feels she is a really great reporter and kind of likes being in that role and didn't feel threatend by Clark or Lois at all. Than when Lois was writing for the Inquisitor Chloe was a little condescending, like; "Awww, good old Lo writing for the Inquisitor how cute, it's really nice she is doing something for herself." Than when Clark accused her of being a little jelaous in "Arrow" she dissmissed it like, "Yeah right! That will be the day." Thinking she is so above Lois that she doesn't deem her worthy to be compared to herself. Than last night she didn't even consider the fact that Lois could write a good story. She was shocked at the fact that the new boy wonder editor would even consider hiring Lois and even tried to shut Lois up about the UFO story. Than when all was said and done (even though she knew Lois had seen the UFO and she was right), she was laughing all happy with Lois when she told her she is "...no Chloe Sullivan, and never will be..." she was smiling like, "Yup. That's right." than being all supportive, like she is somehow qualified to defend Lois' writing. "Awww it's only her first piece, don't be to harsh on her, give her a chance, awww" and than she was SHOCKED that the editor loved the writing and totally perplexed that Lois got a job. If she really would have been supportive and thought Lois was a good writer, she wouldn't have been so shocked and condescending.

cotton candy girl

10-05-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Dustmite
Chloe sure has had it easy.

I didn't say Chloe had it easy. What I'm saying is she doesn't need to be coddled. She can face adversity.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 05:54 PM

hopefully dimeo782002..Chloe will kick that new editor's ass so hard that he flys out of the Daily planet widow..and he splatters like a bug hitting a wall at high speed...

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by dimeo782002
i agree and i think it was totally uncalled for how he acted unprofessional and completely !@#$%$# rude !
if he wants to impress lois fine ! , but to beat someone emotionally like that is not right he is an ass , just like someone said in the earlier post so i quote ,

HE'S AN ASS NEED I SAY MORE !

How was he criticizing his staff's work being unprofessional?

I think he acted professional... Being professional means not being cared for people as long as he/she did his/her work... As I recall back, there's nothing personal in there... He knows how to analyze articles... People didn't get the job of Editor without reason...

I reckon there'll be time he said the same thing to Lois and I don't think people care :rotfl:

Dustmite

10-05-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
I didn't say Chloe had it easy. What I'm saying is she doesn't need to be coddled. She can face adversity.

She's not coddled by the other characters and she does face adversity.

pizzaguy19

10-05-2007, 05:57 PM

It's not like Lois was an amazing writer to start out with.... it's just being realistic to think that a college dropout who can't spell wouldn't get a DP job without even an interview.

cotton candy girl

10-05-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Dustmite
She's not coddled by the other characters and she does face adversity.

What? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. My post was in response to the post I quoted. I'm saying fans (I said nothing about other characters) don't have to say "poor Chloe" because she doesn't need to be coddled. Adversity can make a person stronger.

Minela

10-05-2007, 06:00 PM

What gives you the idea, Lois isn't a good writer. Good writing is a talent, it can't be learned in a class room.

Honey45

10-05-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Dustmite
She's not coddled by the other characters and she does face adversity.

I think that person meant Chloe is being coddled by the viewers.

She has been through a lot in the last season, but I can't even count how many messages I've seen are just "Poor Chloe! Her boss is so mean!"

That's life. If Chloe wants a real job and if she wants to move up at the DP, she better get used to it.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 06:04 PM

kiariclois..would you like your boss..to demean you in front of someone..and then to Flaunt remarks like she has more passion than you do..and you think that is cool..better yet professional...ah..No...It was stupid..it only showed that he is an ass...Can we say someone pin the tail on the donkey!

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by pizzaguy19
It's not like Lois was an amazing writer to start out with.... it's just being realistic to think that a college dropout who can't spell wouldn't get a DP job without even an interview.

Writing came with talent... and it sounds like you're saying that college dropout is a loser... :rolleyes: I'm a bit offended...

Originally posted by Minela
Actually, I was a little ticked of at Chloe in that episode. Not too much since I was too busy doing my happy dance for Lois, but I've been feeling like that for a while. Chloe is always the one who is pushing the other characters to get into journalism, esspecially Clark and Lois. I think she just feels she is a really great reporter and kind of likes being in that role and didn't feel threatend by Clark or Lois at all. Than when Lois was writing for the Inquisitor Chloe was a little condescending, like; "Awww, good old Lo writing for the Inquisitor how cute, it's really nice she is doing something for herself." Than when Clark accused her of being a little jelaous in "Arrow" she dissmissed it like, "Yeah right! That will be the day." Thinking she is so above Lois that she doesn't deem her worthy to be compared to herself. Than last night she didn't even consider the fact that Lois could write a good story. She was shocked at the fact that the new boy wonder editor would even consider hiring Lois and even tried to shut Lois up about the UFO story. Than when all was said and done (even though she knew Lois had seen the UFO and she was right), she was laughing all happy with Lois when she told her she is "...no Chloe Sullivan, and never will be..." she was smiling like, "Yup. That's right." than being all supportive, like she is somehow qualified to defend Lois' writing. "Awww it's only her first piece, don't be to harsh on her, give her a chance, awww" and than she was SHOCKED that the editor loved the writing and totally perplexed that Lois got a job. If she really would have been supportive and thought Lois was a good writer, she wouldn't have been so shocked and condescending.

Actually, what you said really does have a point... I've noticed that... LOL... but I just don't know how to put that into words... I still love Chloe though... LOL:rotfl:

Mello Penelo

10-05-2007, 06:04 PM

Chloe needed her butt kicked and she certainly got it. I've always liked Chloe's character, but I'm sick of people on this board treating her like a saint and "practically perfect in every way."

"Boo hoo, wah wah wah. Grant yelled at Chloe. He's such a meanie." :rolleyes: She needed an ass kicking and he gave it to her. Get over it.

snarkycole

10-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by harryandginnyfanatic
In the future when Clark Kent is Superman, Lois Lane will be a reporter for the Daily Planet.

I'm sorry to everyone that loves Chloe, I really am. But the mythos require that Lois be at the DP.

That's just the way it is.

Oh, so what you're saying is if it is true in the mythos, then it has to happen that way on Smallville? Okay. Well, I'm pretty sure that in almost every version of the Superman mythos before Smallville Lois and Clark didn't meet until they were adults, more specifically when Clark gets a job at the Daily Planet where Lois is already their star reporter. So, when Lois rolled into Smallville to find out what happened to her cousin and subsequently met pre-Superman, highschooler Clark, that kind of threw a wrench in the whole "staying true to the mythos" idea. Hell, considering the show started with Lex knowing Clark as a freshman in High School should have been a large indicator that perhaps what is true in most Superman mythos will not be the same in Smallville's universe. Just look at some of the things that Smallville has done that is different than much of the Superman mythos:

1. Chloe Sullivan's existence.
2. Young Lex Luthor lost his hair during a visit to Smallville at age 9 when meteors fell on the town.
3. Humans are affected by Kryptonite beyond getting radiation poisoning.
4. Metropolis is three hours away from Smallville and can be seen from the top of a Smallville water tower.
5. Jimmy Olsen is about the same age as Clark and knows C.K. before Clark gets a job as an adult at the DP.
6. Lex Luthor marries Lana Lang.
7. Lois Lane dates Oliver Queen.
and there are many more examples

None of these really follow the traditional Superman mythos. It's been apparent since day one Smallville's been carving its own path in the mythos, with its own twists and turns and possible endgames.

Now, I'm not saying that Lois Lane won't possibly one day be the best damn reporter the Daily Planet has ever seen in Smallville's universe. All I'm saying is that you can't use that as evidence that Lois is on her way to becoming DP's star reporter or that she has to be there right now after only being a full-fledged reporter for about a year. We have to use what we've seen of the character on this show to determine how good of a reporter she is/will be. And I'm not going to point out one thing or another in support of either side cuz this argument just gives me a big 'ole headache.

Now, back to the actual subject of the forum. I did feel awful for Chloe in the episode, first with the whole "this is what happens to people with meteor-induced powers" folder scene and then later with wonderboy-editor tearing her down. And then to top it all off her cousin, who less than two years ago showed zero interest in journalism, not only gets a job at the DP without initially trying to, but gets the desk adjacent to her own. Ouch. Again, I'm not saying Lois isn't a good enough writer to earn a spot on the DP's writing staff, I'm just saying it's gotta sting when your cub reporter cousin is offered a chance at a job without ever previously even trying to apply for an opening writing position at the paper.

Wonderboy-Editor may have been a tactless ass in the way he told Chloe she's lost that drive she used to have (shouldn't an editor meet privately with their reporter to tear them apart like that?), but it's kind of true. I agree with those who've said she's let her friendship with Clark get in the way of reporting on many of the stories she has broken. She needs that spark and fire she had back in her pre-secret keeper days. Can't TPTB give her an awesome frontpage news story that has 100% nothing to do with Clark or meteor-infected villains?

Sorry for the length, but I had a lot to say.

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by operadiva
kiariclois..would you like your boss..to demean you in front of someone..and then to Flaunt remarks like she has more passion than you do..and you think that is cool..better yet professional...ah..No...It was stupid..it only showed that he is an ass...Can we say someone pin the tail on the donkey!

Erm... This is embarrassing but that already happened to me, four times (at least, I don't remember...) when I was doing my holiday job... In front of customers... It's really embarrassing but I do learn something from it...

Dustmite

10-05-2007, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
What? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. My response was in response to the post I quoted. I'm saying the fans (I said nothing about other characters) don't have to say "poor Chloe" because she doesn't need to be coddled. Adversity can make a person stronger.

Obviously some people felt that she was treated unfairly, sympathise with her and want to defend her. It's not a matter of coddling IMO.

morrigan01

10-05-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by samanta
I don't know why there can't be two star reporters in DP.

Oh there can be. Because there is. Remember, Clark becomes a star reporter in his own right at the DP too one day.

If there's room for two (Lois and Clark), then there's definitely room for more than that.

Why a lot of people can't seem to see that I just don't know.

operadiva

10-05-2007, 06:11 PM

cotton candy girl..Can i respond with a clear ..what?
Your avitar has Lana luthor...She more likely is the one who is constantly coddled by everyone and never is expected to own up to her actions..Maybe you need to re watch the scene between Lex and her..Where she is totally excused for her behavior..and basically get a hug and kiss..like congratulations...Ah..hello...She framed you for murder..you were wrongfully imprisioned and you give her a hug..This is Lex we are talking about..the villan of the story..Hummm...that Lana Luthor sure has all the men by there balls in Smallville...Talk about being coddled?

cotton candy girl

10-05-2007, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by Dustmite
Obviously some people felt that she was treated unfairly, sympathise with her and want to defend her. It's not a matter of coddling IMO.

Who's not treated unfairly in life? It just seems some people think Chloe can't endure a little unfairness or whatever, and that's coddling in my opinion.

umm

10-05-2007, 06:13 PM

I actully think there might be something else behind his dislike of Chloe! O.K let's say he isn't fond of her writingstyle, well as the editor he should be professional enough to be able to give konstructive critisism to his stuff and not demean them, which he obviously must be capable off sence he made it this far!
No, I think he has something against Chloe based on completly personal reasons, either she published a story about someone close to him in the past, with bad consequences for that person, or he sees her as the competition and thinks he can deman her enough and break her, and thereby force her to leave DP.
Or he is a spy sent by Lex to keep an eye on Chloe in which case it seems unlogical to be cruel to her, sence you catch more flies with honey than with winegar! I mean if he is spying on her, it would get him more results to befreind her than allienate her by his rudness and disrespect!

operadiva

10-05-2007, 06:16 PM

kiariclois..well i sorry to hear that happened to you.. but it is unnessary..it only makes me think that.. that person really has no self esteem..they need to put someone down to feel good .and it is sad..It only thing i would learn is that there are a lot more *******s around that i thought...and to not be offended..that it is not about you but about them and there inferiority...

kiariclois

10-05-2007, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by operadiva
kiariclois..well i sorry to hear that happened to you.. but it is unnessary..it only makes me think that.. that person really has no self esteem..they need to put someone down to feel good .and it is sad..It only thing i would learn is that there are a lot more *******s around that i thought...and to not be offended..that it is not about you but about them and there inferiority...

ehe... It is unnecessary... but I think that'll make Chloe's more determine in the future... She been busy helping Clark and maybe she really did 'lost her mojo' due to that... She'll be back in full force, I believe since Clark has Kara now :p

Better off to college now :lol:

Minela

10-05-2007, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by umm
I actully think there might be something else behind his dislike of Chloe! O.K let's say he isn't fond of her writingstyle, well as the editor he should be professional enough to be able to give konstructive critisism to his stuff and not demean them, which he obviously must be capable off sence he made it this far!
No, I think he has something against Chloe based on completly personal reasons, either she published a story about someone close to him in the past, with bad consequences for that person, or he sees her as the competition and thinks he can deman her enough and break her, and thereby force her to leave DP.
Or he is a spy sent by Lex to keep an eye on Chloe in which case it seems unlogical to be cruel to her, sence you catch more flies with honey than with winegar! I mean if he is spying on her, it would get him more results to befreind her than allienate her by his rudness and disrespect!

Are you seriously suggesting that the boy wonder editor of the Daily Planet is threatned by a basement worker who writes filler stories? I think not. He is not being honored by his peers for nothing.

citizenlen

10-05-2007, 06:26 PM

I think their trying to wrap up Chloe's character and lead Lois to her path in the DP. I knew the rivalry between the cousins and fans will happen when you have a newly but beloved character like Chloe and a legend like Lois Lane under one roof.

Same rivalry and bashing with Lana. Though I like Chloe, I just think the writers watered down the characters of two icons Lana Lang and Lois Lane. They really need to make up their minds where they want these characters to go at this stage. I seriously believe S7 is the last one.

Mello Penelo

10-05-2007, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Who's not treated unfairly in life? It just seems some people think Chloe can't endure a little unfairness or whatever, and that's coddling in my opinion.

You're right. It is coddling. None of the Chloe fans want anyone to tell it like it is to precious little Chloe. Grant did. And I applaud him for that.

I REALLY like Chloe. For a long time, she was the only reason I watched the show. But she has been too complacent the last two years. She's done nothing but act as a personal search engine.

citizenlen

10-05-2007, 06:32 PM

Though I feel for Chloe, he is telling it like it is. She lost her spunk and that's that. The same determination and gleam on Chloe's eyes in S1-S3 are gone. In fact I see that more on Lois now. She's taking over fast and I'm glad she's stepping up to her character which is a no nonsense gal whose willing to step on anyone to get the story.

Don't hate on Lois. If anything blame the writers for making Chloe, Clark's glorified babysitter.:rolleyes:

Minela

10-05-2007, 06:35 PM

She started loosing her spunk in season 5, when she got her byline because her spunky cousin went undercover for her in "Exposed".

citizenlen

10-05-2007, 06:38 PM

During S4, when Chloe found out Clark's secret is when she started focusing all her energy on Clark instead of her life's dream - a Daily Planet Journalist. But yeah, by S5, the spunk was diminishing.

lillie_poo_pod

10-05-2007, 06:49 PM

Grant was an ass and it's obvious Chloe is made to look like the underdog. Can't wait for Chloe to get on top.

dimeo782002

10-05-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by kiariclois
How was he criticizing his staff's work being unprofessional?

I think he acted professional... Being professional means not being cared for people as long as he/she did his/her work... As I recall back, there's nothing personal in there... He knows how to analyze articles... People didn't get the job of Editor without reason...

I reckon there'll be time he said the same thing to Lois and I don't think people care :rotfl:
because there is a difference in critique and emotinal put downs , i don't want to argue im just saying that he could have said it differently he could have said chloe you have not shown the same passion as you did before or he could have said things more professional . there is nothing wrong with letting your employees know they need to turn up there game . whats wrong with him is he is sarcasticly putting her down , you seem to think im just saying this because it's chloe , well im not i would say it about any of the characters if they were treated unfairly even if lois was treated like a piece of **** i would call the writers bluff on it ! This is not just about chloe , it's very unprofessional in the way he said things not because he was trying to let her know that her stories lack what he is looking for ! there is a difference in how people talk that gain respect or make you look like an ass . he spoke like an ass someone who wants to bully people and tear at there self esteem , just because it MIGHT motivate someone does not make it right !
anyway im done with this i don't like how he treated her he was a bit harsh . i love smallville and im looking forward to when chloe tells him to piss off !
as for lois i know that the show has to get her into the dp cause we are getting near the end of the series so i really don't have anything to say about that i just don't like how it was done .

Originally posted by Mello Penelo
You're right. It is coddling. None of the Chloe fans want anyone to tell it like it is to precious little Chloe. Grant did. And I applaud him for that.

I REALLY like Chloe. For a long time, she was the only reason I watched the show. But she has been too complacent the last two years. She's done nothing but act as a personal search engine.

, i AGREE that she has been distracted from her work because of her personal sitautions that have been going on ! i never said that was untrue ! im saying that he did not have to be sarcastic , there is a way of doing things without tearing people apart inside , but some people care who they hurt and some don't i guess thats the problem here . i am a chloe fan and i see nothing wrong if he see's her works is not what it was! what i don't like is he is really rude , and i would say it even if it was another chracter i would say it . i don't like grant i think he is a jerk .
and i do not like being stereo typed

SteveS

10-05-2007, 08:10 PM

He appears to be a very poor manager of personnel and if he continually repeats that kind of performance, my guess is that legitimate complaints could be made against him with professionally negative consequences. The days of absolute and dictatorial authority of managers is long over, but it is too early for all that. Let it ride for awhile and see how things turn out.

Originally posted by Minela
What gives you the idea, Lois isn't a good writer. Good writing is a talent, it can't be learned in a class room.

Thanks for asking even if I wasn't the one you asked.

lois can not carry on an intelligent mature conversation, certainly not more than say 2-3 minutes tops. When a person can not formulate a thought and articulate it, it is most unlikely that they can express themselves much better in writing. The words are formed in one's head firstly. It is doubtful that lois poor academic background and video-game practice has made her a good writer...'her prose flew off the page...get real, dude.