The Doctor Who Season 4 spoiler Round-up

[Estro-gen X]

A massive thank you for the new forum!
I've decided to do a roundup of spoilers and rumours for series 4 of doctor who.(all air dates are first showings in the uk)

CIN episode- 'time crash'- 16th November
-PETER DAVISON (AKA the fifth doctor) will return to the show. It first emerged from Sylvester McCoy(AKA the seventh doctor) who said peter jackson (of lord of the rings fame) told him It then appeared in the sun newspaper who said peter would be in the children in need special this year.
Children in need is a telethon that raises money for childrens charities. The team did a 10 minute episode for the fundraiser in 2005 with Rose's reaction to the newly regenerated doctor.
it is written by steven moffat
filming complete


christmas special 'Voyage of the Damned'- 25th December 2007, 6.50pm GMT
- features kylie minogue as astrid(anagam of tardis;)) who is a waitress on the titanic. Set photos have shown a creature named as Bannakafalatta who sort of looks like a mini darth maul. Bannakafalatta is played by actor Jimmy vee.
- It is set on the titanic in SPACE!
- according to the Radio Times the villains are called 'the host' and are new creations
Filming complete

Series 4- Around Easter 2008- In no order

'Partners in crime'
- we see donna track the doctor down after a world catastrophe that she needs help dealing with
- the first set photos see david tennant in his brown suit in a suburban road
- rumours that it will involve Mrs Foster impregnating people with alien spawn through weight loss drugs
- the vilains are the 'adipose' who eat fat
filming complete

'The Fires of Pompeii'
- Uses the sets from bbc/hbo show Rome. They were ravaged by fire but apparantly enough was saved for the show to go ahead.
- Of course this means the cast will get something of a holiday in italy
- The season one episode boomtown was originally meant to be pompeii. This is an idea that has returned as the doctor and donna land in the doomed ancient city
- the villain is a pyroville from the planet pyrovillia
- the title is heavily reminiscent of 'the fires of vulcan' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fires_of_Vulcan) which also took place in Pompeii
Filming complete

'Planet of the Ood'
- features the ood who first appeared in the season 2 episodes the impossible planet and the satan pit.
- it is said to be an origin story
- the writer has said he wanted to explore why they were born to serve
Filming complete

'The Sontaran Stratagem'(2 parter)
-expected to be a two parter
-promotional images http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/sontarans/
- this sees the return of martha jones - but is she engaged? We can see a ring on her finger on the promo
-UNIT feature heavily
filming complete

'Episode 6'
- Georgia Moffet. Daughter of Peter Davison has been cast in a substantial role in the episode. She famously first auditioned for the character of Rose.
-Martha Jones will also be in this episode
Filming COMPLETE

'The Unicorn and the Wasp'
- Written by gareth roberts who wrote The shakespeare code last season.
-Features agatha christie
- Filming on this episode has now wrapped and it takes place in a country village. (for the old school fans i think 'black orchid' could be a good comparison)
FILMING COMPLETE

Episode 8/9(2 parter)
Written by Steven Moffat who wrote last years 'Blink'
-images
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/my%20second%20album/3rd%20album/DSCF1555a.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/my%20second%20album/3rd%20album/DSCF1550a.jpg
- used to be episodes 9/10 but were rearranged in february
-guest stars tallulah riley from St. Trinians (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0964587/) and Pride and Prejudice (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414387/)
currently filming

'Midnight'
- written by Russell T Davies
- guest stars the son of patrick troughton

filming COMPLETE


'the doctor lite episode'- episode 11
-features the return of rose tyler
- seems to feature Donna heavily
- from bystanders on set they overheard Donna say 'he's dead' is this the doctor? It would explain his absence for the episode.
- RTD has said that Catherine gives an outstanding performance that he is extremely proud to be associated with
FILMING COMPLETE

Episode 12/13 Finales
-written by Russell T Davies
- RTD has said it will involve everyone who who the doctor has needed before to fight for him. Also said to be 'fanwanky'
- Sarah Jane is confirmed to Return thanks SFX! http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=sarah_jane_the_return_again

David Tennant will appear as the doctor in EVERY episode. His full time companion will be Donna Noble played by Catherine Tate. It is said donna will hunt the doctor as there is a catastrophe on 21st century earth she needs help with.Freema Agyeman will return as Martha Jones mid season for 5 episodes following a 3 episode stint on torchwood.

This year we will visit 5 other planets. 4 of which are in this list from Doctor who magazine- the Ood Sphere, Messaline, Midnight, Shan Shen, Pyrovillia and the lost moon of Poosh.

Now for the rumour mill

UPDATE- it is possible david tennant will film the christmas special for next year straight after he films the finale to fit in with his RSC schedule

Rose will Return for 3 episodes?
We know she is here for one but are there more to come?

David Bowie? Untrue- the singer/actor's official site has him replying that the rumours were utter Tish and Tosh.

Ben kingsley for Davros? Debunked by david tennant at the TV choice awardsas was the joan collins/rani rumour

The arc word? this years 'bad wolf' has already been heard according to RTD in doctor who magazine. The master has said it in the finale.


if i've forgotten anything please tell me.

[Lexgirl33]

Wow thats a lot and thank you for the update! I love the fact that Martha will be on Torchwood. As for DT staying the whole 4th series is awesome and RTD leaving after that. I can't image DW withough him now.

[constantine]

It's interesting to note that paul mcgann has said he'd be willing to appear, so it does give a possibility of a new ensemble christmas special if chris eccleston can be persuaded to come back.

As for marha being in torchwood, I'm not exactly fond of the character, so I'll reserve judgement.

[Estro-gen X]

Originally posted by constantine
It's interesting to note that paul mcgann has said he'd be willing to appear, so it does give a possibility of a new ensemble christmas special if chris eccleston can be persuaded to come back.

As for marha being in torchwood, I'm not exactly fond of the character, so I'll reserve judgement.

i didn't like martha at all. I love donna so that should get me through. Hopefully these 5 episodes will be her last. No offence to freema who seems lovely but the character just doesn't work for me.

[constantine]

Actually, I would love the bird who starred in blink to be his next major companion. she was stunning...like a young burt reynolds.

[TMLS]

Great round-up. Was expecting to add some stuff but all I see missing is that Ben Kingsley is rumoured to play Davros.

[constantine]

I can't see that happening...

[TMLS]

I'd have thought that, but the rumour wasn't debunked so...

[Estro-gen X]

Originally posted by TMLS
Great round-up. Was expecting to add some stuff but all I see missing is that Ben Kingsley is rumoured to play Davros.
ive updated it with that and more news from the 'rome' episode

[constantine]

and the biggest (but nicest) spoiler coming up in season 4, is that apparently we can look forward to the departure of both davies and tennant. Time will tell, but I definitely think we need a darker doctor in series 5

[KryptonSite]

I reallyreally hope the "Steven Moffatt taking over" rumors are true.

[constantine]

yeah, me too. well. as long as he doesn't write anything resembling jekyll. lol

[Estro-gen X]

I've updated the main post and removed the leaving rumours given last nights news

[Pesk]

Will donna be in the titanic ep, or will she first (re)appear in the first proper ep of s4?

[Raissa]

She'll be in the first ep. of S4.

[Pesk]

Thanks.

I forgot to ask, will there be another 'doctor light' episode in s4?

I'm really hoping not, I mean blink was great but love and monsters was possibly the worst dr who story ever and I really don't want to see crap like that again.

[TMLS]

I believe there will be, but only as they said they'd do one a year - not heard anything specific.

[constantine]

I want the sontarans to show up

[/sarcasm]

Actually, when I saw the Jadoon, it's who I thought they were

[KryptonSite]

I thought I'd heard somewhere that the Sontarans were supposed to be the villains of "Smith and Jones," but there were some rights issues with the estate of Robert Holmes or something like that.

Doctor Who rights issues are odd. You'd think if characters were created for the particular show, there wouldn't be separate rights deals. Terry Nation's estate can keep Daleks away though, and the surviving creators of K9 are what's keeping him from recurring on Sarah Jane. Not sure I like the idea of a K9 series without a BBC/Doctor Who connection.

[constantine]

See the thing is, old doctor who was very much a collective deal, which is probably what made it work. Of course, another factor could have been that michael grade just didn't give a crap out the series, which is why he cancelled it in the first place, and allowed the respective creators to maintain the rights over characters.

[supergabiwars92]

thanks 4 that im glad DT gunna stay do we know ow long 4?? i've heard stuff that he's leaving after the next season does anyone know if thats true???

[constantine]

*tries to read the text speech*

Personally I think there is such a wealth of other villains, and indeed allies in doctor who, that the production staff can afford to wander away from teh current stable of bad guys they have. As loathe as I am to admit it, the Judoon were a good beginning to that.

[newbaggy]

Originally posted by KryptonSite
I thought I'd heard somewhere that the Sontarans were supposed to be the villains of "Smith and Jones," but there were some rights issues with the estate of Robert Holmes or something like that.

Doctor Who rights issues are odd. You'd think if characters were created for the particular show, there wouldn't be separate rights deals. Terry Nation's estate can keep Daleks away though, and the surviving creators of K9 are what's keeping him from recurring on Sarah Jane. Not sure I like the idea of a K9 series without a BBC/Doctor Who connection.

Terry Nation was astute enough to realise that there were financial benefits in retaining rights to his characters, so you can't blame other writers for doing the same. Actually, he took the Daleks away from Doctor Who before. 1967's "Evil of the Daleks" saw the Daleks apparently wiped out in Doctor Who because Terry Nation wanted to do a TV show centred around the Daleks. However, he couldn't interest anybody in making it, so five years later, they returned to Doctor Who in "Day of the Daleks".

This wasn't the end of the idea of putting the psychotic pepperpots in a different series. The climax of the second season of Nation's space opera "Blakes 7" saw our heroes preparing to take on invaders from the Andromeda galaxy. But whilst storylines for that season were in development, there was a period when the "Andromedans" were going to be Daleks.

Incidentally, interviews with Russell T. Davies and other members of the Doctor Who production team tend to suggest that the only connection between the Judoon and the Sontarans is the superficial similarity in the design of their uniforms. However, because people look at the Judoon and think "they look a bit like Sontarans", there is an assumption that they were conceived as "pseudo-Sontarans". It seems to be the case that RTD wanted "space rhinos", and the size and shape of a rhino's head dictated the design of the helmet.

[Estro-gen X]

with thanks to scooty
some pics from the rome episode
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/skaro1/CAWDG1CVa.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/skaro1/CAL4EPLZa.jpg


also the title of the agatha christie episode has been abbreviated to TUATW. any guesses?

[TMLS]

No idea, but it makes a shocking anagram ;)

[CLSmith]

Hmm season four arc word was spoken by The Master...

Great now I gotta rewatch all those eps again to figure it out what it may be!

-cs™

[Estro-gen X]

shooting on 'rome' has finished and work on the premiere has begun.

[Estro-gen X]

updated with spoilers for the sontaran episodes and the premiere. No filming most of this week as david and freema are promoting the DVD and soundtrack releases. Expect the sontaran episodes to be filmed in the next 3-4 weeks with perhaps another episode prior to the christmas break

[Estro-gen X]

Again updated with this weeks spoilers

[Estro-gen X]

Updated with Episode titles for episodes 1 and 4. An update on what is currently filming and casting news

[Pesk]

TUATW - We now know it stands for "The unicorn and the wasp".

[TMLS]

I still think it's another dodgy anagram... ;)

[smallville0001]

Martha will be in the last 5 episodes of series 4. I think TUATW is translated as The Unicorn and the Wasp.
And at some point Rose Tyler is returning, i don't know when, but i know she is. Yay :) !

[Estro-gen X]

TUATW - We now know it stands for "The unicorn and the wasp".

Updated.

Martha will be in the last 5 episodes of series 4. I think TUATW is translated as The Unicorn and the Wasp.
And at some point Rose Tyler is returning, i don't know when, but i know she is. Yay :) !

YAY! the recap in the first post shows martha to be back in episodes 4/5/6 and maybe the finale
Rose is back in episode 11 and apparently David has had no scenes with Billie


New information is highlighted in red.
the past episode spoilers will remain for overseas viewers yet to see the episodes
I get my info from doctor who magazine and set reports from 'the doctor who forum'

[smallville0001]

kk, but i no for sure that martha is in the last 5 episodes, not before that, it szxays so on the dr who online website-i am a member there too!

[TMLS]

I think there may be some confusion with MJ's appearance in Torchwood episodes 6/7/8?

[Dracula]

kk, but i no for sure that martha is in the last 5 episodes, not before that, it szxays so on the dr who online website-i am a member there too!

Okay, what the hell does szxays mean? Is it some new 'cool' term?

[Pesk]

Episode 9/10(2 parter)
Written by Steven Moffat who wrote last years 'Blink'

'the doctor lite episode'
-features the return of rose tyler
- seems to feature Donna heavily
- from bystanders on set they overheard Donna say 'he's dead' is this the doctor? It would explain his absence for the episode.
- RTD has said that Catherine gives an outstanding performance that he is extremely proud to be associated with
FILMING COMPLETE



Are you saying the 2 parter is doctor-lite? So he will barely appear in both episodes?

That's just plain wrong!

[Estro-gen X]

Are you saying the 2 parter is doctor-lite? So he will barely appear in both episodes?

That's just plain wrong!

no. There are no Spoilers for 9/10 yet so it just looks really thin compared to the rest
well until now!- pictures from Scooty

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/my%20second%20album/3rd%20album/DSCF1550a.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k318/04nbod/my%20second%20album/3rd%20album/DSCF1555a.jpg

'the doctor lite episode' is episode 11.

[Pesk]

Phew! I got a bit confused there, I thought that the doctor lite ep would be the 2 parter. I'm glad to see I was mistaken.

So I take it ep 11 will be totally donna-centric. Oh goody.

[TMLS]

At least Donna appears to be wearing different clothes in every shot. Got a bit tired of Martha's "pineapple" hair-do and that jacket in the first half of the last series - I get that was because they all followed on from another, but still - it was like a uniform.

[Estro-gen X]

updated with news from doctor who magazine's new edition. Again additions are highlighted in Red

[TMLS]

I'm not going to belittle what you've done Estro, it's great, but we know far more! There's a very comprehensive round-up at http://www.doctorwhoforum.com/showpost.php?p=5410222&postcount=236 - I'm not going to copy it though, someone put a hell of a lot of work into that. (you need to be a member, but it's probably the best Dr Who board on the 'net so it's well worth it. Mods - Craig OK'd linking to that board previously on here, see him :))

[Estro-gen X]

i know but its a bit unnecessary. They will update that with anyone they find has a few lines. Plus they keep every single rumour no matter how ridiculous or debunked. They also include unsubstantiated rumours from members in the episode sections. I keep it to stuff with evidence or clearly label rumours. Its just too excessive.

[TMLS]

Another one for you E-X: look who're back!

http://www.doctorwhoforum.com/showpost.php?p=5617008&postcount=98

[Lexgirl33]

saw some spoilers images...you might have posted them in the fourm link but i can't see them. I hated that fact that Rose was coming back, but I have changed my mind. I look forward to seeing her again. Especially since Mickey and Jackie will be back :D

[Pesk]

Noooo chav overload!