It Doesn't Make Sense

[patsfan]

This is the first time I've ever found a hole in the writing. I love this show, but one part of FYG didn't make sense:

How is Sylar still alive after Hiro stabbed him if Claire is still alive?

It's a paradox. Sylar should be dead, or Claire shouldn't be there for him to kill a second time.

Anyone have an explanation?

[angeloo]

the past hiro was never there to stab sylar

[nafeasonto]

HEre we go another time debate thread!

[Uffr]

Yeah you can't argue about time. It's pointless and goes in circles and sometimes squares.

[newfan]

Did I miss something?? When did Hiro stab Sylar?

[Merfish]

My theory is that when he and Ando traveled five years into the future, he not only time traveled but also went to a different dimension where Claire wasn't saved

[Ginx]

Maybe Claire really wasn't dead after Sylar got done with her. Maybe she regenerated - went into hiding and then when Sylar found out she was alive - he came back to really finish the job?

It's a time traveler question - it can go many different ways. Think about Back to the Future - alternate time lines (wow, time for me to go to sleep I think).

[patsfan]

In the episode, future Hiro said he stabbed Sylar, but Sylar didn't die because he had killed Claire and taken her ability to regenerate.

If Five Years Gone takes place in another dimension where Claire was saved, then Sylar doesn't have the power of regeneration and should have been killed when Hiro stabbed him.

[faz]

It was mentioned in the graphic novel online and again tonight towards the beginning of the episode.

I actually think it would be funny to get another time debate thread going. It may be a bit repetitive and go in circles, but you can get some funny, albeit really defensive, responses. I just take a backseat and let everyone else duke it out, trying to figure out the exact science of time travel and alternate timelines makes my brain hurt.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by patsfan
This is the first time I've ever found a hole in the writing. I love this show, but one part of FYG didn't make sense:

How is Sylar still alive after Hiro stabbed him if Claire is still alive?

It's a paradox. Sylar should be dead, or Claire shouldn't be there for him to kill a second time.

Anyone have an explanation?


What Future Hiro said was, in "his" past he stabbed Sylar, and he regenerated, THEN, he got the idea to go back and tell Peter to "Save The Cheerleader" which Peter did, thus Claire is still alive.
(At least she was alive)

[Ginx]

ok let me take a shot at this. lol

Ok based on what STFanatic said. Future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to save Claire - which Peter did.

That directly changed the future so that Sylar didn't have Claire's powers and he was still looking for Claire.

So past Hiro didn't stab Sylar because he wasn't there to stab him because he (past Hiro) was in the future. So Sylar is still alive because past Hiro wasn't there on the day of the explosion to stab Sylar.....whew.....

thus Future Hiro said 'what are YOU doing here' especially on that particular day.

[JDubbz]

Originally posted by Ginx
ok let me take a shot at this. lol

Ok based on what STFanatic said. Future Hiro went back in time to tell Peter to save Claire - which Peter did.

That directly changed the future so that Sylar didn't have Claire's powers and he was still looking for Claire.

So past Hiro didn't stab Sylar because he wasn't there to stab him because he (past Hiro) was in the future. So Sylar is still alive because past Hiro wasn't there on the day of the explosion to stab Sylar.....whew.....

thus Future Hiro said 'what are YOU doing here' especially on that particular day.

i think you're missing a few things. I recommend everyone watch the episode again and listen carefully to when they're talking. I'll do so myself as well but before that here's why it doesn't make sense...

Future Hiro says he stabbed Sylar and Sylar regenerated and that's why he didn't die. That means he has Claire's power, and Claire must be DEAD because she cannot live with injuries to the brain, as seen in past episodes. if Sylar is eating people's brains, she can't regenerate. Yet...she's alive in the future? WTF?

Also, recall that Mohinder does mention he remembers Peter talking about future Hiro and the message. So why didn't Peter act on it in the same way this time? What makes the present time different? Doesn't make much sense to me.

So let's see...Hiro apparently stabs Sylar, he regenerates and DOES NOT die. How? Because he killed Claire and has her powers. But she's alive, so there's only one solution i can think of that the writers must have in store for the next episode...

Sylar doesn't get that power from Claire. He never did. He got it from someone else. Mallory perhaps? Or perhaps a hero that will be introduced in the episode before the season finale, or even in the season finale. Something's missing, and I don't think it's an error.

[Drolfin]

Um... first off, Claire isn't the only one with a healing ability. Easy explanation: Linderman saved Sylar by healing him. there is no paradox here.

HOWEVER: didn't Peter say that he was the bomb? so maybe Hiro stabbed Peter instead

[STFanatic]

hmm... my head hurts now...:confused: :\

I still wonder how Peter got the scar and why didn't it heal?

[JDubbz]

Originally posted by STFanatic
hmm... my head hurts now...:confused: :\

I still wonder how Peter got the scar and why didn't it heal?

perhaps the Haitian is there when he gets the gash that becomes the scar? That's the only thing I can think of.

And Drolfin, good point about Linderman. How about this...SYLAR KILLS LINDERMAN! That could be a reason why he's able to regenerate in a sense.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by JDubbz
i think you're missing a few things. I recommend everyone watch the episode again and listen carefully to when they're talking. I'll do so myself as well but before that here's why it doesn't make sense...

Future Hiro says he stabbed Sylar and Sylar regenerated and that's why he didn't die. That means he has Claire's power, and Claire must be DEAD because she cannot live with injuries to the brain, as seen in past episodes. if Sylar is eating people's brains, she can't regenerate. Yet...she's alive in the future? WTF?

Also, recall that Mohinder does mention he remembers Peter talking about future Hiro and the message. So why didn't Peter act on it in the same way this time? What makes the present time different? Doesn't make much sense to me.

So let's see...Hiro apparently stabs Sylar, he regenerates and DOES NOT die. How? Because he killed Claire and has her powers. But she's alive, so there's only one solution i can think of that the writers must have in store for the next episode...

Sylar doesn't get that power from Claire. He never did. He got it from someone else. Mallory perhaps? Or perhaps a hero that will be introduced in the episode before the season finale, or even in the season finale. Something's missing, and I don't think it's an error.

Ok
1. Yes, Mohinder mentions that Peter mentioned Future Hiro (because Hiro did go back and Peter did save Claire - thus Claire is alive in the future)
2. Sylar didn't get Claire's power because of Peter so Claire is still alive in the future
3. Sylar didn't get stabbed by Hiro on the day of the explosion because Hiro wasn't there to stab him because Hiro accidently traveled to the future and met himself.
4. Thus Sylar is still alive in the time line and Claire is still alive in the time line that was created as a result of the actions of Peter and Hiro.

Going back in time Hiro is now there to stab Sylar (if given the opportunity) and thus the future they visited will never take place. The explosion might still happen - but that exact future we saw tonight should never appear like that again - because the past has been directly changed (again) by Hiro and Peter.

Maybe I am missing something. But I think that covers it. I'll gladly watch the ep again though - far be it for me to say 'I know it all' because I don't. ;) :D

Originally posted by JDubbz
perhaps the Haitian is there when he gets the gash that becomes the scar? That's the only thing I can think of.

And Drolfin, good point about Linderman. How about this...SYLAR KILLS LINDERMAN! That could be a reason why he's able to regenerate in a sense.

That's a good idea. Maybe Nathan doesn't want to work with Linderman so Linderman makes a deal with Sylar but then Sylar turns on him and now has both their powers?

[FUZZYWOOKIEE]

Once Claire was saved the future changed

1. Claire was alive, when she was not before.

2. Sylar was not the bomb, therefore wasn't stabbed by Hiro.

3. Peter was the bomb and his scar could be a result of that, while recovering from going nuclear he developed the scar from devoting most of his energy to healing worse off parts

4. Since Sylar was not the bomb it is possible that he was not in NY when the bomb went off.

[JDubbz]

Originally posted by Ginx
Ok
1. Yes, Mohinder mentions that Peter mentioned Future Hiro (because Hiro did go back and Peter did save Claire - thus Claire is alive in the future)


Not necessarily. They never acknowledge that Peter saved Claire in the future version. Isn't that why Hiro goes back and tells him to "save the cheerleader, save the world." As far as Hiro and Peter know, Claire is dead in the future.

3. Sylar didn't get stabbed by Hiro on the day of the explosion because Hiro wasn't there to stab him because Hiro accidently traveled to the future and met himself.

Uh...future Hiro DID stab him. He says he did, and he says Sylar regenerated, meaning he has a healing ability. They assumed it was Claire. But perhaps it's Lindermans power he gets.
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[Ginx]

[lol my head hurts.......]

I think their question was that even though Claire was saved then Sylar shouldn't be alive based on what Future Hiro told Past Hiro in this episode. But then again......I need sleep........I'm having a Mohinder Moment......

[shipgrad2002]

Alright here is my tempt at explaining it.

The first time hiro went back in time he believed that Sylar exploded, so he believed stabbing Sylar would stop the explosion. We also know that Peter caused the original explosion, so stabbing Sylar would not stop Peter from exploding.

Now if we remember back to the first episode we see when Hiro goes to New York five weeks in the future, that time went faster, and when he called Ando, Ando said where have you been for such and such time you haven't been here. This means that the future is going to change when Hiro goes back because he was five years in the future when the bomb went off. In essence until he travels back in time, it is as if he never went back. When he goes back, then the future is a blank check again because in the future from this episode he wasn't there for the explosion. The future Hiro is still in existence because by going back and forth in time he is kind of outside of the bubble like the Back to the future theory. That also explains why he still believes he stabbed Sylar.

Time travelling stuff is difficult. Sometimes I think it is best to just accept it and move on, and not ask too many questions.


To me the real question is Hiro still doesn't know that Peter causes the explosion, will he find out in time to stop the series of events from happening?

[Ginx]

Originally posted by JDubbz
Not necessarily. They never acknowledge that Peter saved Claire in the future version. Isn't that why Hiro goes back and tells him to "save the cheerleader, save the world." As far as Hiro and Peter know, Claire is dead in the future.


Uh...future Hiro DID stab him. He says he did, and he says Sylar regenerated, meaning he has a healing ability. They assumed it was Claire. But perhaps it's Lindermans power he gets.


Ok - so what you're saying is that the future didn't change at all since Peter saved Claire. That would explain why Future Hiro seemed surprised that they did save Claire? I would think that by them saving Claire that it would have directly changed the future. Maybe not.

Yes, I agree. Future Hiro did stab Sylar...but at one point Future Hiro and Past Hiro were the same person and that is when Sylar gets stabbed - on that day though - Hiro wasn't in NY in that time - he was in the future. So Future Hiro did stab Sylar but the past Hiro did not. Now to me - I would think that these actions would have directly affected the future - but it's looking like they did not and this future is set unless they stop the explosion?

I agree that the healing power must have come from someone else. But Linderman can heal others - but can he heal himself?

Originally posted by shipgrad2002
Alright here is my tempt at explaining it.

The first time hiro went back in time he believed that Sylar exploded, so he believed stabbing Sylar would stop the explosion. We also know that Peter caused the original explosion, so stabbing Sylar would not stop Peter from exploding.

Now if we remember back to the first episode we see when Hiro goes to New York five weeks in the future, that time went faster, and when he called Ando, Ando said where have you been for such and such time you haven't been here. This means that the future is going to change when Hiro goes back because he was five years in the future when the bomb went off. In essence until he travels back in time, it is as if he never went back. When he goes back, then the future is a blank check again because in the future from this episode he wasn't there for the explosion. The future Hiro is still in existence because by going back and forth in time he is kind of outside of the bubble like the Back to the future theory. That also explains why he still believes he stabbed Sylar.

Time travelling stuff is difficult. Sometimes I think it is best to just accept it and move on, and not ask too many questions.


To me the real question is Hiro still doesn't know that Peter causes the explosion, will he find out in time to stop the series of events from happening?

Interesting....interesting......I do think you're on to something with your bubble theory. I think I was coming to the same conclusion going back and forth with JDubbz. I'm just having a hard time accepting it lol.....hence the Mohinder Moment of denial and then not seeing things as they are lol.....

That is the question isn't it - will Hiro make it back in time to stop Peter? Or stop the events that lead up to Peter exploding.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by JDubbz
perhaps the Haitian is there when he gets the gash that becomes the scar? That's the only thing I can think of.

And Drolfin, good point about Linderman. How about this...SYLAR KILLS LINDERMAN! That could be a reason why he's able to regenerate in a sense.

Sylar killing Linderman makes sense... why else would the law be called "Linderman's Law"? The laws are usually named after the 'poster child' victim...


Also, here is an attempt at an explanation (though all of this is theoretical anyway)

Time flows forward, thus giving the appearance that changing the past is dangerous, since it changes the future in strange and unpredictable ways, i.e. the save the cheerleader thing- if the cheerleader is saved, who is to say what that will do but stop the immediate threat?

Ok... here we go with the theory... it's a two parter.

1. The paradox theory doesn't work. Once a person starts to time travel, they are outside of the timestream. Things that change because of them don't cascade as one would suppose. The timeline attempts to heal the aberration, thus making it so that time cannot be changed.

Look at the bit with Charlie (the woman with the prodigious brainpower). Hiro tries to change the event, but realizes he can't. Why does he come to that realization? Because his efforts don't help the future.

2. Once a person is outside of the timestream, they *can* actually change the future. It just takes effort and they have to be careful. Changing time by brute force either a) wouldn't work, or b) would cause consequences. That's why future hiro constructed his timeline. He had to find out the exact series of events he had to change in order to erase Sylar.

Since Hiro has not completed the changes in the timeline, the changes are not complete.

Or it could be that Hiro just can't change the future, but doesn't know it, and something will happen to make this future still occur. Depressing.

[bucketofwater]

I think it's a new spin on the basic paradox. Cause -> Effect -> Cause -> effect. Claire was Killed by Sylar. When future Hiro stabbed Sylar, he regenerated with her ability. Future Hiro warned Peter Patrelli to save Claire and returned to his timeline. His efforts caused Claire to be alive.

Now... Had Hiro and Ando not traveled into the future, the timeline would have been altered to show that future had successfully stabbed and killed Sylar (theoretically that is, if the stab illustracted in 9th Wonders is a fatal stab). However, because Hiro and Ando traveled into the future, they would not have been in the past to kill Sylar. Therefor, Hiro and Ando need to travel back to the present so Hiro can stab Sylar and complete the causality loop.

Once present Hiro stabs Sylar, the future Timeline should be erased. But I have a headache now. Janeway was right.

[shipgrad2002]

The problem still remains that Peter is the one that explodes, so unless Sylar causes Peter to explde, killing Sylar won't do much.

[binkys711]

pff I came here loking for answers, see if I missed anything that you guys could explain 'bout the time anamoly and all I got were more question :p LOL I'm not even gonna try to explain what I think, my head is spinning already :lol:

[Sharingan]

I think it's simple because there is only two timelines in the works here...

The "5 Years Gone" timeline is where Future Hiro tries to kill Sylar but Sylar has Claire's powers to regen. So Future Hiro goes back in time to get Peter to save Claire.

Present Hiro travels into the future of "5 Year Gone" timeline where Future Hiro tells himself why he asked Peter to save Claire. Technically, Future Hiro still stabbed Sylar.

So there can only be two possibilties of why Sylar is still alive in the future.

1. Time anomaly where Future Hiro changed the "Present" timeline but because Present Hiro left his time and jumped to the future, there was no one there to stab Sylar. However "5 Years Gone" timeline still progresses normally on its own with Future Hiro still thinking he failed to stab Sylar.

The only way I can explain this is that no matter how Hiro changes the past, he still retains the memory of the unchanged timeline(s) in his head.

Possbility 2.

Sylar simply has some other ability that prevented the stab from killing him. I doubt it is Healing though, because otherwise, he wouldn't be that excited when he got his hands on Claire.

[Monkeychow01]

I think the last post pretty much has it.

I think people are making it out to be more than what it is. If you noticed, Clair is still alive in the future. If Future hero stabbed Sylar and it didn't kill him....basically they all thought Sylar got the cheerleader and that's why he survived. Apparently, Hiro will not be the one to kill Sylar. The stab does not kill him.

If Sylar dies, someone else will be the one to do it.

[DiscoDyslexic]

Right on,

Whether present day Hiro stabs sylar or not, debating it is very poinless.

Hiro has not stabbed him yet, or
Hiro never stabs him at all, or
hiro stabs him but fails to kill him, or
Hiro stabs him but Sylar gets healed, or
some other reason.

who knows
Timetravel is very hard to argue about because the best understanding we have is still very unreliable.

This is not a plothole.

[RedPhoenix23]

Besides, stabbing Sylar will likely not stop the explosion in NYC. PETER is the one responsible for that, not Sylar. On top of that, Sylar could have been lying but he told Peter that Nathon really did turn on his own kind. So if the explosion still happens and Nathon really does take office and really does go about trying to get the world to fear his own kind.... What's really better?

[Mr.Vanish]

Major Holes last night...Too many to count actually....

[wraith808]

Originally posted by Sharingan
I think it's simple because there is only two timelines in the works here...

The "5 Years Gone" timeline is where Future Hiro tries to kill Sylar but Sylar has Claire's powers to regen. So Future Hiro goes back in time to get Peter to save Claire.

Present Hiro travels into the future of "5 Year Gone" timeline where Future Hiro tells himself why he asked Peter to save Claire. Technically, Future Hiro still stabbed Sylar.

So there can only be two possibilties of why Sylar is still alive in the future.

1. Time anomaly where Future Hiro changed the "Present" timeline but because Present Hiro left his time and jumped to the future, there was no one there to stab Sylar. However "5 Years Gone" timeline still progresses normally on its own with Future Hiro still thinking he failed to stab Sylar.

The only way I can explain this is that no matter how Hiro changes the past, he still retains the memory of the unchanged timeline(s) in his head.

Possbility 2.

Sylar simply has some other ability that prevented the stab from killing him. I doubt it is Healing though, because otherwise, he wouldn't be that excited when he got his hands on Claire.

^^ Isn't that what I said? ;)

[Portdechar]

Originally posted by shipgrad2002
Now if we remember back to the first episode we see when Hiro goes to New York five weeks in the future, that time went faster, and when he called Ando, Ando said where have you been for such and such time you haven't been here. This means that the future is going to change when Hiro goes back because he was five years in the future when the bomb went off. In essence until he travels back in time, it is as if he never went back.
This would make sense if there were no Future Hiro in the future, since he went five years in the future, he shouldn't have been in the present to live the 5 years to see himself arriving!

I'm ready to bet money that, when Linderman showed the pictures of Nathan in the Oval office in 0.7%, that Linderman didn't know it will be Sylar there and not Nathan.
And what we saw in last night's episode WILL be the future.
And that season 2 will start with the battle between Sylar and Peter (right after future Hiro's death)

[chrisxs5]

Actually of course he would be there. (More silly time travel speculation coming) He went to the futre and back. If he would have never gone back, then there would have been a gap in time of no Hiro.

[Portdechar]

because there is no point of showing what happens after the explosion in episode 23, since we already know most of the outcome from the future episode, so they'll have to start from the future, at the Sylar/Peter showdown

Originally posted by chrisxs5
Actually of course he would be there. (More silly time travel speculation coming) He went to the futre and back. If he would have never gone back, then there would have been a gap in time of no Hiro.

did you check the quote, from shipgrad2002,
Hiro was not there for 5 weeks!!! Ando confirmed it!
Cause Hiro did not return to the past yet, therefore no Hiro was there for 5 weeks!

so the future Hiro shouldn't have been there?

[chrisxs5]

When Future Hiro said you shouldnt be here, basically meant that the his future is now different, so everything we saw isnt exactly what is going to happen. Even in the future Peter didnt know Sylar was still alive. But of course he will in season 2!

[Portdechar]

I hope so! I hope i'm wrong!

[svfan50]

Originally posted by chrisxs5
When Future Hiro said you shouldnt be here, basically meant that the his future is now different, so everything we saw isnt exactly what is going to happen. Even in the future Peter didnt know Sylar was still alive. But of course he will in season 2!


Exxxacctllyyy...!!! Everyting would change noww...!! because they are trying to change the future..!!!!!

[chrisxs5]

Originally posted by svfan50
Exxxacctllyyy...!!! Everyting would change noww...!! because they are trying to change the future..!!!!!
Cool! Someone agreed with me;)

Its just a ripple effect, one event has been changed so now all the rest have been changed!

[Portdechar]

Originally posted by chrisxs5
When Future Hiro said you shouldnt be here, basically meant that the his future is now different, so everything we saw isnt exactly what is going to happen. Even in the future Peter didnt know Sylar was still alive. But of course he will in season 2!

hey chrisxs5, so Future Hiro, what memories does he have of escaping Linderman's vault with Ando and the Sword 5 years ago? does he remember going to the future and meeting himself?

freaking paradoxes...

[chrisxs5]

I know exactly what you mean! But of course he has slept since then! (Thats the excuse I always give when I cant remember something). Seriously though, I think Heroes is portraying them as 2 completely different version of Hiro. So the one who went back in time to change it would have different memories than the one who lived the changes.

[Chlarkerlover]

^ that somehow makes sence. :D

[bucketofwater]

They don't write holes in shows this well written. It all makes perfect sense.

1. Sylar kills Claire
2. Future Hiro stabs Sylar
3. Sylar Regenerates
4. Future Hiro goes back in time to tell Peter to save Claire
5. Claire is saved
6. Present Hiro transports 5 years into the future.
7. Nobody stabs Sylar
8. Events of String Theory/5 years gone transpire as we watched.

That is why Future Hiro is so surprised/pissed when he sees present Hiro. The fact that Peter is the 1 who explodes is irrelevant to this discussion.

Ginx has it right.

[chrisxs5]

9. Hiro changes things again and if he were to go forward 5 years again everything would be completely different from "5 years gone".

[brm139]

If you don't like the time travel paradox (I do, but some don't) there are easier ways.

Hiro maybe only thought that Sylar could regenerate, maybe he phased the sword through him (DL) or mabye he altered the state of the metal (I don't remember the kid's name). He also could have Linderman's healing power or any other power that comes in the next few episodes.

[chrisxs5]

Linderman cant heal himself so that cant be it, but the metal thing is a good point. I wondered when they revealed that ep, what the purpose of it would be good for!

[svfan50]

Originally posted by bucketofwater
They don't write holes in shows this well written. It all makes perfect sense.

1. Sylar kills Claire
2. Future Hiro stabs Sylar
3. Sylar Regenerates
4. Future Hiro goes back in time to tell Peter to save Claire
5. Claire is saved
6. Present Hiro transports 5 years into the future.
7. Nobody stabs Sylar
8. Events of String Theory/5 years gone transpire as we watched.

That is why Future Hiro is so surprised/pissed when he sees present Hiro. The fact that Peter is the 1 who explodes is irrelevant to this discussion.

Ginx has it right.


though...al of this is very confusing...tremendously....!! but yeah...you got it right...!!! It is a very well written show..and the directors and writers put in a lot of thinking and accuracy in the story lines....and they dont have any loop holes...!!!!

I hope Al Miles would have such shows....!!! darn them...but anyways....

In Heroes, this was all supposed to happen...but nowww..it wont..Now...they would save the world....its unpredictable...!!!

[MidgardDragon]

Probably already mentioned but I'm not reading this whole thread. Here's what happened:

Peter confesses that HE was actually the one that exploded. He got the bomb power from being around Ted, he got the regenerative power from being around Claire. (This next part is theoretical, not fact.) Hiro actually stabbed Peter when the bomb exploded, I'm guessing he had gotten the shapeshifting power at some point and looked like Sylar, probably from not being able to control it.

Claire was alive and Sylar never got her power. Peter blew up and regenerated and Nathan covered it up (or Sylar, not sure when Nathan died/whatever happened to him and Sylar took over.)

This isn't a hole in the writing, it's some fans missing what actually happened in the episode. ;) Sylar never blew up, Peter did, just like we've been led to believe since the episode where he passed out and had that dream. Everything that wasn't explained can easily be filled in so it is not a plothole it is room for theorizing.

[shipgrad2002]

It is clear that Peter is the one that blows up because he said it, but I still don't see how stopping Sylar prevents Peter from Blowing up.

[kemosabe]

I think Peter has the scar in the future because Claire dies. I think some others have it right, Peter only has his powers as long as the person is alive.

She must have died and he must have gotten attacked by another bad hero and wasn't able to regenerate.

He could gain the healing again once he got around Sylar, but by then the scar was already forming and you can't heal old wounds.

:D

[chrisxs5]

Originally posted by kemosabe
I think Peter has the scar in the future because Claire dies. I think some others have it right, Peter only has his powers as long as the person is alive.

She must have died and he must have gotten attacked by another bad hero and wasn't able to regenerate.

He could gain the healing again once he got around Sylar, but by then the scar was already forming and you can't heal old wounds.

:D
No she was alive, it was more like they never meet. Maybe they will show how he gets the scar in the novels.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by chrisxs5
No she was alive, it was more like they never meet. Maybe they will show how he gets the scar in the novels.

They had to have met otherwise she wouldn't have been alive. Also, Claire seemed very steaming mad at Nathan and Claire looked at a pic of Nathon/Peter in Nathon's office all mysty eyed. Like maybe after he sends her off to Paris with Ma Petrelli he lies and never wants her to come home again. But eventually when the crap starts to hit the fan about peeps with abilities then Mr. Bennet must track her down so that he can keep her safe.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by shipgrad2002
It is clear that Peter is the one that blows up because he said it, but I still don't see how stopping Sylar prevents Peter from Blowing up.

Stopping Sylar doesn't prevent Peter from blowing up. Future Hiro + Present Hiro are both operating on incorrect information. Unless Hiro manages to stop Peter and/or Ted in the process of trying to get to Sylar then the bomb will still happen. That was one of the main points of the episode, that everyone has the wrong idea about Sylar blowing up, as it's really Peter that does.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Stopping Sylar doesn't prevent Peter from blowing up. Future Hiro + Present Hiro are both operating on incorrect information. Unless Hiro manages to stop Peter and/or Ted in the process of trying to get to Sylar then the bomb will still happen. That was one of the main points of the episode, that everyone has the wrong idea about Sylar blowing up, as it's really Peter that does.

Exactly.

[chrisxs5]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
They had to have met otherwise she wouldn't have been alive. Also, Claire seemed very steaming mad at Nathan and Claire looked at a pic of Nathon/Peter in Nathon's office all mysty eyed. Like maybe after he sends her off to Paris with Ma Petrelli he lies and never wants her to come home again. But eventually when the crap starts to hit the fan about peeps with abilities then Mr. Bennet must track her down so that he can keep her safe.
OK, good point. That does make sense, becuase when Hiro went to the future we would have to assume that everything we have seen has happened.

[fzbandit]

ok, i've read this entire thread and I think there are some points being missed. I'll try to walk through them.

#1: According to the writers and future Hiro. From the time future Hiro froze time and talked to Peter in the train until the moment him and past hero met up in the loft, nothing happened in between those two moments in future Hiro's life. As far as he is concerned, he goes back to the train, talks to Peter and returns to the future in the exact moment we see him meet past Hiro. Therefore, when future Hiro returns to his future, he expects New York to not be blown up. But he is under the impression that Sylar is the bomb and Sylar has Claire's powers. But his may all be incorrect because of the shapeshifter power.

2. We don't know when Peter or Sylar run into Candace (shapeshifter) and get her power. So Peter could be anyone and Sylar could be anyone. With the information we have right now, we can't tell who is who.

the most important thing to remember is the shapeshifter power. We don't know who is who.

[trying2b]

You guys are awesome. You really go deep inside the writers minds.

[Timester]

There is one explanation that everyone missed. There is only one timeline and time is tougher than we actually think. It's not the first time I saw this theory happening. Let me explain it:

There is only one timeline. The normal idea is when we change one event, the butterfly effect of it change everything else. But there is one less talked idea. The timeline is tougher, resistant to changes. When a paradox occurs (like Claire being alive), what the timeline does? It adapts the paradox to the timeline, without changing the timeline.

Remember what Mirai Hiro said? He stabbed Sylar and Sylar regenerated, meaning that Sylar killed Claire (and he did, the comics show it). What happened was a pure fusion of the two possible futures (Peter exploded NY in both), with both Sylar and Claire. Now a 3rd future will be built, without Peter exploding.

BUT this will not change the future, most likely the metahumans will be presecuted again.

[Nam-Ek2]

you see in trailer for next episode that hiro is next to sylar with his sword, he wotn end up doing it and thats how sylar is still alive.

[Lionel The Great]

Well, All we have to do is listen carefully what the characters are talking about.


1) The Future Hiro went past at least 2 times.

((Hiro probably went back in time many times but they only mentioned the 2 of them))



2) When he went back for the first time,

he stabbed Sylar with his sword before the explosion. But Sylar regenerated himself.

((In fact Sylar has nothing to do with the explosion,

because Peter is the one who exploded which Hiro doesn't know just like the public,

because of the falsified information given from USA President Nathan.

And then furious Sylar comes for revenge and kills Nathan, gets his ability,

and most importantly takes his place -> The Presidency

Right after Sylar becomes the President, to satisfy his hunger for different powers,

he starts the man hunt for people with abilities,

while he announces the special people as terrorists to mask his intention...

This is what happened in the first place))



THEN Hiro probably return to the future and see that nothing has changed.

Stabbing Sylar fails what he wishes. So Hiro must have thought that,

"as long as Sylar gets Claire's ability, there is no meaning of attempting to kill sylar"

With this concluison, Hiro went past for the second time.

This time he appeared in the train which Mohinder and Peter was in...



We know the rest.