Phantom Zoners (merged)

[Routh]

Clark was accurate in thinking Titan was the last Zoner, since he was the seventh one (Clark, Gloria, Baern, Raya, Aldar, Hudson, Titan).

But now it seems, at least canonically, that there are more. Titan landed in Omaha, though, so that still leaves the India one or the Argentina one.

Sigh. Confuuuuuusing.

[wallyK]

The show never officially siad how many zoners there are. Some people counted flashes of light when Clark returned from the phantom zone, however, I don't think the writers ever said that this was supposed to be an actual count. In other words, they showed several zoners exiting, but they will decide how many zoners there really are later.

Interestingly enough, Clark does not know how many zoners there are. And if he ever got the last one, how could he know for sure?He cannot know if the satellite photos show all of them. Maybe he could go ask Jor-El about this, but right now it looks like Clark is not paying any more visits to Jor-El.

[Ardiem3]

The flashes were how many there were... in one area. Clark and Chloe only saw that one area but more were released farther out around the world. To Clarks knowledge, Titan was the last Zoner but there have been more craters around the world, to signify that more were released.

[maryjanewatson]

does anyone else notice they all look like humans/kryptonians?

okok, I know what our thinking, of course they do. what are you talking about MJ you crazy kid. well, this is what I'm talking about: One of the main reasons that jor-el sent clark to earth was that he would be able to blend in becasue humans and K-tonains look alike. well, it's looking like just about every planet's inhabitants look like humans, and little kal-el could have been sent to any of them, all of them being a lot closer to krypton (i imagine) than earth is.

another thing i dont get is that they all have powers and could have easily defeted any kryptonian inhabitant becasue kryptonians only have powers in the bask of the yellow sun, So my question is how did the kryptonians catch and imprison these powerful aliens, who have obviously always had their powers b/c the sun doesn't effect them?

[MidgardDragon]

A couple of holes in your ideas:

1) Bow-Wow and at least one or two others were humans possessed by Phantoms, so of course they looked human.

2) Batista and Kane are semi-human looking in that strong wrestler way, but if every person on their planet looks like that, then they don't really look all that human. Sorry if that doesn't make sense, not really sure how else to say it. Wrestlers never looked very human to me anyways.

3) Titan had a large spike that came out of his arm, that's not exactly a human trait.

The main thing to consider is that this isn't Buffy. They don't do fake-looking monsters. I'm sure there are plenty of non-human-looking aliens in the galaxy, this show is just showing us the human looking ones.

[maryjanewatson]

i never watched buffy, so i don't know what you mean there.

in regards to #3, to be fair, clark can shoot fire from his eyes and catch a bullet in his hand....not exactly human traits either.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
i never watched buffy, so i don't know what you mean there.

in regards to #3, to be fair, clark can shoot fire from his eyes and catch a bullet in his hand....not exactly human traits either.

The difference is the spike was a part of his appearance. Granted he could hide it, but it was still a part of his body and not just something he could do.

My point about Buffy is that they often had creatures in heavy makeup/costumes and that's not something Smallville does. They're very different shows.

[ramjeetp]

What I can't seem to understand is how sooo many zoners landed on Earth? If you look back at episode 1 (Zod), as Clark was landing, there seemed to be 7 things landing. One being Clark, others being Raya, Batista, that plant woman from episode 3 (Wither) and the zoner that possessed Bow Wow in episode 6. Kane in this episode and I am sure I read somewhere that Athena (Ashley) was a zoner as well? Anyway that makes 6 things landed not including Athena, so why are there so many other landings pictured? Did the things that landed split further before they landed?

[boatsboston]

I think TPTB are hedging their bets. If the show goes a 7th season (or is that already a go?) then they have a reason to keep Clark from starting his training. They can switch their formula from FOTW to ZOTW.

Clark is gunna have to go back to Jor-El and tell him he did a bang-up job on the PZ back door.

[pissedoff]

they are actually talking now about a possible 8th season. i don't see how they can keep putting off his training. i mean sooner or later he has to start.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by Ardiem3
The flashes were how many there were... in one area. Clark and Chloe only saw that one area but more were released farther out around the world. To Clarks knowledge, Titan was the last Zoner but there have been more craters around the world, to signify that more were released.


Maybe the gateway is still open but only the strongest can escape. Bad news for Clark. And maybe there are more craters around the world because more Zoner's got out than Clark originally thought.......or maybe, it's something else entirely that they are building towards - nothing to do with the Zoners.

lol...that's a lot of maybes......

[auctionmonster]

I wish they would decided what to do, then at the end of the 7th or 8th season prepare to create a superman movie centered around the smallville universe in which we see our clark become superman and go work at the daily planet.

[Ginx]

Originally posted by auctionmonster
I wish they would decided what to do, then at the end of the 7th or 8th season prepare to create a superman movie centered around the smallville universe in which we see our clark become superman and go work at the daily planet.

Well as cool as that would be - I don't think the movie would fly unless it was a made-for-tv one (which would be cool too). Because of Superman Returns and the sequel to that is going to start filming in 2008 - so it would strange for there to be two Superman movies on screen.

Made-for-tv or a 4-part mini series would be awesome - moving the show into Metropolis: The Smallville Chronicles or something along those lines etc.

[auctionmonster]

So far we have seen 7 different beings who have tremendous powers that rival clarks. How can this be that the Kryptonians were able to ever capture these beings to begin with?

[Ginx]

Originally posted by auctionmonster
So far we have seen 7 different beings who have tremendous powers that rival clarks. How can this be that the Kryptonians were able to ever capture these beings to begin with?

Advanced technology can overpower anything imo.

[The Blood King]

unsure

but if you like back to the first epis there were only 7 lights in the sky including clark so were are there getting all these zoner's

[DarthJay]

It wouldn't be so hard to capture these people back on Krypton. Nobody had any special powers there due to the red sun...

[Ginx]

Originally posted by DarthJay
It wouldn't be so hard to capture these people back on Krypton. Nobody had any special powers there due to the red sun...

well, no Kryptonians had special powers on Krypton. I'm not sold that any of these escaped Zoners are Kryptonian - they were just brought to justice by Krptonians and sent to the zone. There's no telling if any of those beings caught had these powers to start with - I'm thinking they did and that's why they ended up in the 'zone.

[auctionmonster]

I don't buy that, and I thought about mentioning that earlier in my post. Only kryptonians absorb the rays of the yellow sun to convert to energy. Most of these beings are obviously not krypton with exception of plant girl and it's hard to say whether or not she was a true native herself.

[DarthJay]

It's purely speculation if you ask me.

We know that Jor-El created the Phantom Zone, and we know it was a prison. Until Smallville, the only people we knew of that were in there were 3 Kryptonians (unless I'm missing something in the comics...I don't really follow them) - Zod and his minions from Superman II. We are led to believe there that The Phantom Zone is a Kryptonian prison.

However, in Smallville a couple of meteor freaks (like the bone sucking dude) have made durogatory comments about Kryptonians...so it's fair to say that they were not Kryptonians themselves.

However, I think the technology thing is the way to go. We know that Kryptonians put the knowledge of multiple worlds into their master database and we know they were advanced enough to build Brainiac (that one worked out well for them). So why not assume they had the technology to capture and banish super-baddies to the Phantom Zone?

[pissedoff]

First, the zone is full of alein criminals. only a few of them are from krypton. "the bone sucking dude" was not a meteor freak he was from the zone. The technology on krypton was 100 times greater than ours. so it is easy to see how they would have captured all of these strong criminals.

[SSJConan]

Originally posted by Routh
Clark was accurate in thinking Titan was the last Zoner, since he was the seventh one (Clark, Gloria, Baern, Raya, Aldar, Hudson, Titan).

But now it seems, at least canonically, that there are more. Titan landed in Omaha, though, so that still leaves the India one or the Argentina one.

Sigh. Confuuuuuusing.

You hit the nail on the head, I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw Clark looking at the crater pics and talking about how he "thought" Titan was the last Zoner. It really wouldn't be too much trouble for him to just head to the Fortress and consult with Jor-El. We presumably only got 7 landings in "Zod", with Bizarro-Clark saved for the finale (maybe some of the criminals in the Phantom Zone make him from Clark's blood he shed while there, only to be killed by the Bizarro version when they try to get him to free them as he goes to Earth). It's about damn time Clark keep his word and fulfill that destiny, if not, I'm gonna have the urge to scream "Liar!" at him very Anakin-like.:mad:

[DarthJay]

Clark thinks the Fortress is dead - why would he go back to it?

[BrianD]

they always confuse me wit da plots but i think i kno where its going. clark doesnt kno about the other zoners yet. why hes jus now finding out, who knows. TPTB probably changed it to make the season a little longer. they always do that. i personally think it would be better for clark to go back to jor-el and finish the training. he'd be so much more bad ass once he fully knows of his origin, destiny, powers, etc. but the show seems to delay this part of CKs quest instead giving us a bunch of lazy plot lines involving clark pining over lana. we rarely get an ep like this one.

[SSJConan]

Originally posted by DarthJay
Clark thinks the Fortress is dead - why would he go back to it?

Weren't you paying attention in "Fallout"? Raya told him that if he uses the power Baern absorbed from Brainiac's black ship hard-drive, he'd be able to restore the Fortress back to its fabulous majesty. It's implied Clark does that when we see the Fortress light back up. The only reason Clark's not gone there to continue his training is because of the Zoners' threat. Now that he's covered all escapees that he (as well as us, the viewers) saw escape, I think it's about time he heads north for 3 months - 12 years of destined tutelage.

[Necrorectumonomicon]

If Clark continues his training now and becomes superman, the show would have to end because it only covers clark's life before the superman period. So that's why there are sudenly new zoners that will keep him from returning to the fortress. They can always add more zoners

[Ginx]

Originally posted by SSJConan
Weren't you paying attention in "Fallout"? Raya told him that if he uses the power Baern absorbed from Brainiac's black ship hard-drive, he'd be able to restore the Fortress back to its fabulous majesty. It's implied Clark does that when we see the Fortress light back up. The only reason Clark's not gone there to continue his training is because of the Zoners' threat. Now that he's covered all escapees that he (as well as us, the viewers) saw escape, I think it's about time he heads north for 3 months - 12 years of destined tutelage.

Well I agree that Clark should start his training - he can't just jump and do that - because like auctionmonster said - the show would be over. Unless they intend to morph it to another show - which I think will be wise - It's not like the first Superman movie - Clark just can't go and then come back as Superman - there's got to be more drama and fighting - it's tv not the movies - week to week not moment to moment like a movie.

I mean - the show continues week to week - it just doesn't end after 2 hours or so. They need to build and build and have mini-milestones to build some more........

[SSJConan]

We've seen Clark wear glasses, meet everyone he'll work with at the Daily Planet (Perry, Lois, Jimmy, and Maggie Swayer if you wanna count her), have his first kiss with Lois (along with soaring the Metropolis skyline), rip his shirt in a phone booth to reveal a red S crest, face almost all his future enemies (Morgan Edge, Myxzpitlik, pure-evil Lex, Brainiac, Zod, upcoming Bizarro), meet many future members of the Justice League (along with teaming up with them), and fly. We even had a brief glimpse of the red cape in "Hereafter" thanks to Jordan Cross's glimpse of Superman's "end", as well as many peeks/homages to future President Lex. It's funny, I've enjoyed all this Smallville is doing, yet the show seems to be trying to milk in every single Superman mytho element it can without actually putting Clark in the suit. Also kinda irks me.