Clark and Lois Flew!!!!

[Kalel x2x2]

goshdamn!!!:eek:

[Sk8erGur1]

Okay..... wow.... and that's ALL I got.

[heavens_cry]

did they really? Where when and how? was it really a flight?

[Dark_Superman]

yes! and for all those saying he jumped, if he jumped, when he landed he would have broken some tiles or something, no matter how much he can control his powers

[sstray72]

It was a super jump, quite obviously. Very parabolic.

[Lexgirl33]

:lol: It looked awful

[thehenry89]

that was flight people flight!!!!!

[MidgardDragon]

Spoilers were blown out of proportion, it was definitely a superjump, almost exactly like the jump with Lana in Reckoning, except it was more across than up.

[nipvillesmlltuk]

He leaped...Lois said it herself :)

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by heavens_cry
did they really? Where when and how? was it really a flight?

Off of a building, carrying lois *baby-style*, leaping over buildings and then finally landing on Oliver's balcony ;) :D

[mansuper]

I thought it was awesome.

[k18]

I consider it more of a super jump. It wasn't quite flight. I can't say that I am disappointed since I half expected this. It was still good nonetheless.

[BigJoe]

it was a jump

[98chase]

Originally posted by sstray72
It was a super jump, quite obviously. Very parabolic.
Exactly. Had it been flight, it wouldn't have arced like a projectile. It would have been more linear and "flatter" at the top.

[FiveForFighting09]

OMG!!! he flew!!....with LOIS!!!!! i love it!!.

[meggy]

damn..i'm not a Cloiser...but that flight/jump scene was COOOOLLLL!...that was one of the best special effects they've had in a while!!!!!!!!

[superhippie2000]

it was a jump. lois even said he leaped. it looked like they used the same graphics tho as lexod and lana. same take off motion.

[Nospam]

Wow, this episode is turning into another Reckoning. Did he/didn't he, will he/won't he. Except the "time reversal" in this case will be the coming down from RedK.

[Thesis]

he jumped...stop buggin people....his knees were bent...both of his legs werent together...it was a leap.

[heavens_cry]

thanks

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by thehenry89
that was flight people flight!!!!!

Yes. It. Was. !! :p

[STFanatic]

A "Leap tall building" Leap, not a flight, that bites big time.
BOOOO!!

[dave73085]

I agree with the "jump" people...and also that the effect could have looked better...still cool, though!

[Luthor5339]

It was a super jump- able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

"Kal-El can fly, Clark Kent is still earthbound."

[sstray72]

It was most definately a very pimp pimp playa playa move... BUT it was not flight. He super-looked to find Oliver's pad, and then jumped there. If he flew, he wouldn't have came down, just kept going.

[Kalel x2x2]

He was in the air, something extraordinary, he still showed lois a superpower, it's still all in good spirit :D

[Dark_Superman]

Kal-el can fly, clark kent is still earthbound... at this moment.. hes neither lol

[freefall]

Am just happy they're in the air LOL

[clois1938]

That was cool, loved it!

[Ardiem3]

It was a superjump/leap/slight float at the end. It was awesome, dont get me wrong, but i was kind of hoping to see a float like in "Superman Returns," but i guess that it was just wishful thinking for the writers.

[margroks]

THey leaped and what a way to squander a first time for anything by having it happen while they're under the influence and Lois desn't remember. But she is such a pathetic excuse for Lois, who cares. She's no Lois.

[STFanatic]

I knew they would lame it out.

[ITIMAN]

Who cares if it was a jump or flying...

It was a "tip of the hat" to "Superman : The Movie"

AWESOME!

[SuperFan85]

I was also hoping for moreso a romantic flight between Lois and Clark, floating in front of the Daily Planet globe like in Superman Returns, but the way they did it here, kinda reminded me of Lois and Superman's first flight together in Superman the movie, which I think is cool

[vagrant]

It was a jump. Period.

[CallMeClark]

Originally posted by Nospam
Wow, this episode is turning into another Reckoning. Did he/didn't he, will he/won't he. Except the "time reversal" in this case will be the coming down from RedK.

Agreed, NoSpam. It didn't live up to the hype...

[STFanatic]

Not exactly a Reckoning, I kinda liked that episode.
Other than the loft scenes, this one was ..(thinking of something nice).. not one of my favorites.
IMO, another "Ageless".

[SVilleGal03]

This was probably the closest thing to flying as we've seen on the show, but I don't believe it was a flight. I like to think of that moment as a "controlled leap," much like the Clark/Lana one in "Reckoning."

[STFanatic]

The one in Rekoning was better than ths one.
Rekoning looked more like flight than this.

http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/?action=view&current=Clarkflight.flv

(Yeah, I know I put "This is flying" on it)

[anita30]

And she wont remember it. WAAAAH. I saw that she really enjoyed it and had fun with it. She looked like she liked seeing that part of Clark. It was interesting to see.

[SteveS]

Not flew, jumped. Just like when ClarkMan jumped with Lana in a previous season, or ran at superspeed with Chloe in his arms.

[ScoopGirl]

It was sort of in between. I do think he's progressing. He flew up, hovered and then dropped back down. And it was cool seeing the take off from the DP and Lois and Clark sailing across the Metropolis skyline.

[freefall]

I don't think the flight was hyped up anyway. Ausiello's spoilers are often exaggerated and the trailers/promos didn't show even a single frame of the jump. It's what I've expected all along, and them taking off the DP is a great touch, reminds me scenes from the Superman movies.

[paolinki25]

Yeah, it was more of superjump, but still cool. :)

[christian_kryptonian]

I think it was still a superjump, but very close to flight bcause he landed so gracefully. I think Red-K Clark has a better grip on his powers because there is no fear factor with him. Obviously, Red-K Clark would win Fear Factor, over and over and over and over and over...

[driv-el]

Well it was a controlled landing. But how did Lois avoid being slammed into the marble?

Very heroic looking, superman flight pose. Was Clark's red collar larger in this episode for that reason? :)

[clois1938]

I think it's the closest we've seen Clark fly since it was quite aways across. I loved seeing the moon in the back, reminded me of the float across the moon in the Lois and Clark series.

[cloisinmyheart]

yeah! i loved the moon too, its a common theme w/clois flights :)

which i happened to think was amazing

[STFanatic]

I was thinking E.T.
Or the Green Arrow crossing the moon shot.

Has anyone noticed when they show the loft scene at night they always use the "cresent moon with a few puffy clouds" shot everytime?

[clois1938]

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
yeah! i loved the moon too, its a common theme w/clois flights :)

which i happened to think was amazing
I also loved the part just right before the flight where he just picked her up right off the roof. That was quite Supermanly! *giddy* :D

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Technically, he jumped and took her along...

[beatles4]

Jumping, flying, who cares? I loved every second of it and was absolutely thrilled to see this part included in this episode! Clois rocks. :) :) :)

[thmallville]

I know Red-Calrk can fly and all.... (Wait... is that just Kal-El? Or aren't they the same thing?? I don't know...) but I think it was a super-jump, regardless

[smallvilleobsessor17]

I was LAUGHING SOOO HARD during this scene! It was soooooo hilarious!!!

[skywalker28]

I'm going to put my vote in for a superjump as well, still very cool though, especially the fact that he leapt off the Daily Planet with Lois.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

It was gas.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
It was gas.
...that propelled them from one building to the other, you mean???
:lol:

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
...that propelled them from one building to the other, you mean???
:lol:

Yep, don't underestimate the PSI of a well placed gaseous emmison from a super powered intestinal tract.

[Peat Moss]

yeah, definately a jump, though why the floor didn't smash, and how he happened to land right on the balcony (does he have super-accuracy?) is unexplained

[Super Skunk]

It was a jump because of he went in a curved shape rather propelling himself up.

They are not that detail-oriented, so stop analyzing every minor little thing to prove that he flew. Just look at what basically happened.

[Balauru]

it was a goddman jump

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by Balauru
it was a goddman jump

Blasphemer !!!

* lighting bolt strikes nearest old lady at bus stop *

[Dark Knight23]

I thought it was good and especially Lois' homage to Superman comics able to leap tall buildings with a single bound. But hey it was better than nothing.

[dunkman]

I agree with the masses that say it was a jump, & I suppose that time he "flew" with Lana in the Fortress of Solitude was a leap, too. I had always considered that time he "flew" to South America to find the spaceship as a flight, but it is acceptable that he was just able to leap into the atmosphere into orbit around the Earth & land in South America, since it hasn't been established that he can quite fly. He just had the ability to slow himself down on the landing, which is close to flying, but not exactly...
I'm just glad that didn't have Lois talking to herself in her mind like on Superman the Movie!

[sunflowercyn]

Originally posted by Dark Knight23
I thought it was good and especially Lois' homage to Superman comics able to leap tall buildings with a single bound. But hey it was better than nothing.

Luv'd the shout out too by Lois as well:)

I liked how they set it up with Clark confidently jumping up on the edge and the camera was panning from high with Lois looking up worried. Again SO CONFIDENT...about time even if it took REDK to do it.

Remember the last time he had to psych himself to jump from the DP across the street to Luthorcorp. This time you hear Lois commenting on how far Ollie's pad is. Actually, Ollie's place is at least 8 blocks away folks!

For having to watch their budget they did a good job!:)

[BadToad]

It was a super leap, which is great. "Leaping tall buildings in a single bound". Awesome, believable, and anvillicious. But NOT precisely flight. I was so, so relieved.

[ClarksGal]

it was a jump, but it was very controlled.

[sunflowercyn]

Originally posted by BadToad
It was a super leap, which is great. "Leaping tall buildings in a single bound". Awesome, believable, and anvillicious. But NOT precisely flight. I was so, so relieved.

Hey I'll take a superleap 'cause if and when they ever decide on SV to have Clark take Lois for a REAL flight, let's have them be themselves and on REDK or something.

Awesome, believable, and anvillicious.

Well put!;)

[skywalker28]

Originally posted by sunflowercyn


I liked how they set it up with Clark confidently jumping up on the edge and the camera was panning from high with Lois looking up worried. Again SO CONFIDENT...about time even if it took REDK to do it.

Remember the last time he had to psych himself to jump from the DP across the street to Luthorcorp. This time you hear Lois commenting on how far Ollie's pad is. Actually, Ollie's place is at least 8 blocks away folks!



I completely agree. It was the first time that Clark actually BELIEVED he could do something like that. It's been mostly out of necessity the previous times.

After watching the jump again, that is a pretty darn impressive leap he made.

[Kalel x2x2]

Lois and Clark flumped (super float/ jump) :lol:

[Monica_O]

Originally posted by Kalel x2x2
Lois and Clark flumped (super float/ jump) :lol:

This is a nice word :), 'cause it didn't looked like flying just like the kind of jump Clark does with Lana in the fortress. He's not flying unless is something truly important and I didn't saw that here.

[eas]

Originally posted by Monica_O
This is a nice word :), 'cause it didn't looked like flying just like the kind of jump Clark does with Lana in the fortress. He's not flying unless is something truly important and I didn't saw that here.

Actually, I've always considered the "Reckoning" proposal to be flying (I know a lot of people disagree with me). I think that the scene where he jumped to grab the launch missle was a super-jump. These two examples, though, seemed like flying.

And, in this case, it was flying through the Metropolis skyline. It was too smooth, controlled and long to be a jump. Plus, he was carrying someone.

[morrigan01]

It was a super jump/glide and what no one gets - it seems - is that it's a very old-school comic book reference.

In the first Superman Comics from the 30s, Superman didn't/couldn't fly. What he could do was "leap an eighth of a mile in a single bound." And he did that in the first comic with Lois in his arms, which you can see here:

http://www.redboots.net/comics/lois2_relationship.htm

Don't know if it was a reference made on purpose, but it works for me. :)

[98chase]

If/when Clark does fly, there will be an entire episode dedicated to it, just like there was for heat vision, hearing, super breath, and x-ray vision. Hell, even the pilot had him discovering his invulnerability. Every time he does something new, the episode is about him figuring out how to use that new ability. When he truly flies, we will know. I promise you.

Also, think of it this way. If there is any question whether or not he flew, he didn't. We all knew Kal-El flew when it happened. There was absolutely no question whether or not he flew. Since there is a debate whether or not Clark flew, he didn't.

[skeptic55]

This wasn't a pure "jump". If this was, then Lois would have most definitely incurred injuries from the landing (possible broken back and ribs from the way Clark was holding her, not to mention internal injury from the impact). She landed gracefully with Clark.

From a free-fall from that height, there's no way Clark could have internally absorbed the force of the landing for Lois unless he did something externally to actually slow down the acceleration of the fall at the point of impact.

[98chase]

Originally posted by skeptic55
This wasn't a pure "jump". If this was, then Lois would have most definitely incurred injuries from the landing (possible broken back and ribs from the way Clark was holding her, not to mention internal injury from the impact). She landed gracefully with Clark.

From a free-fall from that height, there's no way Clark could have internally absorbed the force of the landing for Lois unless he did something externally to actually slow down the acceleration of the fall at the point of impact.
By your logic, Chloe's skin would have ripped off when Clark super sped with her in the season 5 opener. Oh, she would have had severe internal organ damage and many, many broken bones. Can you imagine what 500, 600 + miles an hour would do to the skin? Rip it off. What about 0 - 600+ in a fraction of a second? What would that do to internal organs and bones? Sorry, but your reasoning as to why that was not a jump is flawed.

Edit: I just realized that my post could be taken as "harsh". That wasn't my intentions. Think of fluffy bunnies while reading it. That should make it feel more light hearted.

[TheoristMaximus]

Superman has always had the ability to protect the people he is holding while using his superpowers, it's just how it is. (sometimes they actually claim an aura surrounds his body, but ALL versions of Superman can safely carry people while using powers to my knowledge.)

I remember a Lois and Clark episode where they go into outerspace together! Lois didn't burst or suffocate.

Chloe didn't burst into flames in Arrival.

Lana didn't burst into flames in Lockdown.

Lana didn't break any bones in Reckoning (at least from the super jump) :D

Clark even once safely caught Chloe when she was tossed off a bridge, now that is a FAR more difficult task...
(Although that scene is just stupid, he shouldn't fall faster then Chloe in the first place.)

Sorry, but Clark can't fly YET.

Neither can Kal, or if he gets a job as a janitor and insists everyone call him Gus, Gus won't be able to fly either.:rolleyes:

Only scary brain-dead Kryptonian drone "Kal-El" Clark can fly before Clark actually has an episode where he learns to fly, and "Kal-El" is never coming back.

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by eas
Actually, I've always considered the "Reckoning" proposal to be flying (I know a lot of people disagree with me).

I agree with you, it was freaking controlled, did you not see how smooth the landing was on the ice pillar? :confused:

[thedean123]

It was a jump not flight, Clark has said it himself he can't fly, red-k doesn't give him any extra abilities or knowledge just makes him reckless. Not to mention lois's line right after the jump "able to leap tall buildings with a single bound" more then cofrims it was a jump.

Don't get me wrong definatly a cool scene, jumping really far seems to be his way of saying to girls "LOOK WHAT I CAN DO :)"

[freefall]

I think when we talk about flying, we're referring to how he flew in Crusade, the fast and furious horizontal soaring through the clouds and into the space. That one we definitely know Clark wouldn't be able to do unless he has fully reconciled with his Kal-El side.

But I think his other in-the-air moments could also be constituted as flying especially in Reckoning, albeit being more controlled and not so impressive like what Crusade has.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Kalel x2x2
I agree with you, it was freaking controlled, did you not see how smooth the landing was on the ice pillar? :confused:

Not to be harsh, but it doesn't really matter what you think it was. What matters is what TPTB call it, and they say Reckoning was a super-jump.

[sunflowercyn]

Hey...I'm just tickled that Clark Kent took Lois Lane to the roof of the Daily Planet and took her in his arms and they were over Metropolis.

Jump, leap, float....whatever. Anvil filled moment nonetheless!

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by sunflowercyn
Hey...I'm just tickled that Clark Kent took Lois Lane to the roof of the Daily Planet and took her in his arms and they were over Metropolis.

Jump, leap, float....whatever. Anvil filled moment nonetheless!

True. I was mildly disappointed that the spoilers made it sound like actual flight though. I think I'm going to avoid spoilers for the rest of the season. :(

[freefall]

Thing is, that spoiler came from Ausiello and he has quite a good track record of exaggerating his spoilers. I definitely didn't think there's actually a flight anyway, and the superjump/float/whatever itself didn't even get a single frame on all the trailers or in any of the promo stills. So it wasn't hyped at all, really.

So when we did actually get a in-the-air moment and a take-off from the DP roof to boot, there's a reason to celebrate. At least for the Clois fans.

[ericc]

that was a pretty awesome scene i though the flying looked great

I thought the flying was pretty awesome

[MetroGirl06]

Flying, jumping, whatever! Its Smallville, you just have to buy their explantions sometimes. I'm just syked about the obvious clois foreshadowing! It was great! :D

[Kalel x2x2]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Not to be harsh, but it doesn't really matter what you think it was. What matters is what TPTB call it, and they say Reckoning was a super-jump.
No worries :), but you can't say that it didn't at least look like flight for a second :p

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Kalel x2x2
No worries :), but you can't say that it didn't at least look like flight for a second :p

Oh it absolutely *looked* like flight. I was hoping it would *be* flight. And I think Al/Miles made it look that way to give us fans a treat for the 100th without having to break their no flight rule and have Clark start flying from then on. But it was confirmed to be a jump in the end.

[skeptic55]

Originally posted by 98chase

quote:Originally posted by skeptic55
This wasn't a pure "jump". If this was, then Lois would have most definitely incurred injuries from the landing (possible broken back and ribs from the way Clark was holding her, not to mention internal injury from the impact). She landed gracefully with Clark.

From a free-fall from that height, there's no way Clark could have internally absorbed the force of the landing for Lois unless he did something externally to actually slow down the acceleration of the fall at the point of impact.


By your logic, Chloe's skin would have ripped off when Clark super sped with her in the season 5 opener. Oh, she would have had severe internal organ damage and many, many broken bones. Can you imagine what 500, 600 + miles an hour would do to the skin? Rip it off. What about 0 - 600+ in a fraction of a second? What would that do to internal organs and bones? Sorry, but your reasoning as to why that was not a jump is flawed.


How is my reasoning that this wasn't a "pure" jump flawed?

I've always said that Clark super-speeding with another person would actually kill them, as you've stated. The G-forces from the acceleration would compress the internal organs and kill even before it got to ripping skin off.

That being said--just because you're forced to suspend belief in one instance doesn't mean you can't again try to apply the laws of physics and reality to this instance when applying a critera to determine whether this was "flight" or pure jump. From the way Clark was able to visibly slow his descent, and the fact that he's "floated" before (an early season 1 episode when he woke up floating a foot above his bed)--it makes more sense to assume that he has innate quasi-flight or "floating" ability, however undeveloped it is at this stage.

[Stab]

It was a sort of jump. Dont you remember the ep with the twisters he jumped but he was "willing himself to get closer to the twister", same thing with the martha-lionel hostage situation when he jumped from a building to antoher, he was clearly jumping but they CLEARLY stopped him abit before the window and showing that he was floating straight ahead instead of down, yall missed that?

same thing here, grasping the flying bit in certain superjumps but not achieving it.

[gebes]

I just watched the episode, and it was'nt the flight/leap or jump between the buildings that got me, but it was when he stepped back off the ledge of the Daily Planet. There was definetly some control there, Clark just seemed to glide off the ledge, he did not step down in my opinion.

[Ken-El]

You know, to me it doesn't matter if it was a jump or flight. I thought the special effects were cool. However, the more I think about it, I am coming around to the idea that this was more than just a mere jump. I think this is the first time Clark has been on Red K since he first started training briefly at the Fortress before leaving to rescue Chloe. I can only assume that Clark is in better control of some of his abilities due to that limited training.

I always assumed that Clark flew when he caught the missle. Even though it was not a sustained flight. He had briefly trained at the Fortress after all--Lana even said to Clark, "this is not the first time that you have done that.?" The reason I say this is because I saw the same ripples in air surrounding Clark that I saw surrounding Kal-El. Again, I thought the Reckoning episode was a jump with some elements of flight to it. In Crimson, again I think that with the Red K helped reduce Clark's fears which makes him in better control of his abilities.

Clark has the ability to defy gravity. Think of astronauts on the "moon". Think about how the gravity on the moon is less than that on the earth and how astronauts look like they are bouncing. I think Clarks ability to defy gravity explains why he was able to land softy. It was not flight as we know it but I am thinking it was definitely more than a jump--based on the way he propelled himself upwards and the softness of the landing.

[Kal-ed]

I think he superjumped, but he ALSO defied gravity, his landing was too smooth for a Superjump.

[STFanatic]

OK, I put the two "in air sequences" together, so you can compare both.
First is the scene from "Rekoning" then from "Crimson".

http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/Startrekfanatic/?action=view&current=2flightsbb.flv

[MidgardDragon]

Adding "This is flying not jumping" to a video doesn't make it so. ;)

The reasons the landings are smooth are as simple as the reason they aren't having him truly fly: money. It would cost more money to have the effects of him breaking concrete when he touches down when superjumping than to have him defy the laws of physics and land smoothly from a jump. Similarly, they aren't having him officially fly because they don't want to have to continue having him fly in later episodes since it costs so much to do. Of course it looks like flight, but officially, in the Smallville universe, all Clark is doing is jumping.

[STFanatic]

That was supposed to have been cut from the opening, it was left over from the original cut I made when Rekoning first aired, it seems I missed a tiny bit during the recut.

[STFanatic]

Okay, I corrected that.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Adding "This is flying not jumping" to a video doesn't make it so. ;)

The reasons the landings are smooth are as simple as the reason they aren't having him truly fly: money. It would cost more money to have the effects of him breaking concrete when he touches down when superjumping than to have him defy the laws of physics and land smoothly from a jump. Similarly, they aren't having him officially fly because they don't want to have to continue having him fly in later episodes since it costs so much to do. Of course it looks like flight, but officially, in the Smallville universe, all Clark is doing is jumping.

nope in SV universe, Clark can superjump but he can also defy gravity, I mean aside from the flying in Crusade, lets not for get he has hovered before, so he can, he doesnt do it often, I dont think he will fully Fly, at least untill the end of the series, but I think he´s "found a loophole" in laws of gravity, like when he jumped a bench to save Graham in Fade, he might run as fast as the speed of sound and more, but once he is in the air, UNLESS HE IN SOMEWAY DEFIES GRAVITY, gravity takes controll and he falls at the speed of any object on earth, so I think he wouldnt have been in time to save Graham if he didnt in some way forced himself to decend faster than normal, like in Static, when he came out of the crane he came down pretty fast.

So IMO Clark cant fly, but he difies gravity in some level.

[98chase]

I like that explanation ^^

[FULLMETALMARTA]

Originally posted by sstray72
It was a super jump, quite obviously. Very parabolic.

What is parabolic?????

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by FULLMETALMARTA
Originally posted by sstray72
It was a super jump, quite obviously. Very parabolic.

What is parabolic?????


parabolic: of, having the form of, or relating to a parabola <motion in a parabolic curve>

parabola:
A plane/curve generated by a point moving so that its distance from a fixed point is equal to its distance from a fixed line : the intersection of a right circular cone with a plane parallel to an element of the cone

[98chase]

Originally posted by STFanatic
parabolic: of, having the form of, or relating to a parabola <motion in a parabolic curve>

parabola:
A plane/curve generated by a point moving so that its distance from a fixed point is equal to its distance from a fixed line : the intersection of a right circular cone with a plane parallel to an element of the cone
Projectile Motion. Picture yourself throwing a football. If you picture the footballs motion, it is parabolic.

Example (http://img.sparknotes.com/content/testprep/bookimgs/sat2/physics/0005/diver.rote.gif)
Example 2 (http://cnx.org/content/m13348/latest/v9.gif)

[MAYANSUPERGIRL]

So to clear it up it was a super jump;)