Not feeling too good after Hydro

[Netwolf]

I don't know folks. I loved the episode because there was tons of Chloe in it but I am not feeling to well about the future of Chloe with the show. It seems, after being gone for the last few shows, here comes Lois again, and there go the writers trying to make that connection that all the Clois fans are already freakin out about.
I don't know....I just wish the writers would have never introduced the Lois character and kept Chloe as using Lois Lane as a pen name.

And on another note, I am currently watching all the seasons over again on DVD, in order. I just finished season one and I am half way through season 2 and folks I gotta say the show has changed so much this (and really in this season). It seems (to me) that the show had such a unique feel to it with the early seasons. It was fresh, it had vigor, it had it's own aura to it. And now it seems that it has become the typical "dark/X-Files-ish" type TV show. It went from something that had such a cool "comic book" (for lack of better words) feeling to a total "dark/Batman Movie-ish" feeling.

I don't know, I mean I will continue to watch but I am in such a worried spot now in days because I feel that Chloe will eventually have less and less impact (because the writers keep pushing Lois) and that would be tragic because Allison as Chloe is the main reason I have watched the show for over 6 years now.

And to anyone who says "well they gotta push Lois, it's Superman dude and she is a major part of the mythos".....I say "NO, your wrong, this is SMALLVILLE and it is not a replica of the Superman myth, it is a VARIATION...PERIOD! And therefore there is no reason Chloe couldn't be Lois.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Netwolf
I just wish the writers would have never introduced the Lois character and kept Chloe as using Lois Lane as a pen name.



I really don't think that a nice thing to say... some people might get hurt by that... I know I do...

What if I say I wish that the writers never created Chloe character in the first place? But that would be wrong...

Honestly saying, Smallville without Lois and Chloe would be very wrong...

I'm sorry if I offend you...

Be happy!!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Don't worry. They were just throwing a bone for the Cloisers. Think about it, they deserve it. We had many Chlark kisses already, they had nothing. I am still optimistic for Chlark. Their fight was super short and they hugged right away. You could see how Chloe still has strong feelings for Clark. No reason to worry. I was more disappointed by Clark being so upset about the lexana wedding/baby. Will he ever let go?

[Netwolf]

Originally posted by kiariclois
I really don't think that a nice thing to say... some people might get hurt by that... I know I do...

What if I say I wish that the writers never created Chloe character in the first place? But that would be wrong...

Honestly saying, Smallville without Lois and Chloe would be very wrong...

I'm sorry if I offend you...

Be happy!!

No you didn't offend me and sorry if I hurt you.
What can I say I am Chloe/Chlark fan and I was just so excited when a few season ago Chloe used the pen name "Lois Lane" and then BAM out of no where they introduce a Lois. It just seemed redundant to me because this is Smallville not the comic book, and it has vaired so much from the original story that it would have been totally plauseable to have Chloe be Lois Lane in that sense.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by kiariclois
I really don't think that a nice thing to say... some people might get hurt by that...
He was just talking about the logical decision to introduce Lois into the story. One can very well find this decision wrong. No one should be offended by that as it is a purely logical argument, not an emotional one.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Netwolf
No you didn't offend me and sorry if I hurt you.
What can I say I am Chloe/Chlark fan and I was just so excited when a few season ago Chloe used the pen name "Lois Lane" and then BAM out of no where they introduce a Lois. It just seemed redundant to me because this is Smallville not the comic book, and it has vaired so much from the original story that it would have been totally plauseable to have Chloe be Lois Lane in that sense.

ehe, I may be a little overreacted...

Inlove_with_Chloe (is there a name?) is right... There's a lot of Chlark moments for the Chlarkers... I think Cloiser deserve to be this happy for once... ehe...

Be happy!!

[Hey, Smallville!]

Originally posted by Netwolf
No you didn't offend me and sorry if I hurt you.
What can I say I am Chloe/Chlark fan and I was just so excited when a few season ago Chloe used the pen name "Lois Lane" and then BAM out of no where they introduce a Lois. It just seemed redundant to me because this is Smallville not the comic book, and it has vaired so much from the original story that it would have been totally plauseable to have Chloe be Lois Lane in that sense.

Well I dont see why it was BAM out of nowhere for you... I mean even when Chloe used the pen name, she SAID it was her cousins name... the writers threw that in there for a reason.

Originally posted by kiariclois
ehe, I may be a little overreacted...

Inlove_with_Chloe (is there a name?) is right... There's a lot of Chlark moments for the Chlarkers... I think Cloiser deserve to be this happy for once... ehe...

Be happy!!

Yeah be happy, the Cloisers AND Chlarkers got a moment in Hydro! The Clana got the shaft... lets rejoice! :)

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by Hey, Smallville!


Yeah be happy, the Cloisers AND Chlarkers got a moment in Hydro! The Clana got the shaft... lets rejoice! :)

Yeah right!

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Hey, Smallville!
Yeah be happy, the Cloisers AND Chlarkers got a moment in Hydro! The Clana got the shaft... lets rejoice! :)
I agree and say it all the time if clana were to comeback romantically both chlarkers/cloisers would hate it,tho we disagree alot over the chlois theory :rolleyes: we all seem to agree never to see clana again.And hydro had alot of anvils not jus to lois(Tho she got the biggest last night but she should when her arc in the epi was about her bf who's a superhero as well)but for all the girls in a way.I enjoyed the chlark moments it showed me that chlark r gettin closer than before which I didn't think is possible and for once clark is startin to see how much chloe does/means to him.And even chloe durin their fight seem to show that clark means everything to her,imo hydro was a setup for crimson for clois redk/chlark insults&confessions of feelings/clark tellin lana how he really feels about her movin on :lol: .So I agree both chlark/clois got their moments last night its the clana fans who got excited about the hydro trailers/spoilers that got shaft :lol:

[Moonshayde]

Sorry you felt down by Hydro. I loved it!!!

I was so energized to see some drama for Chloe. She hasn't had much to do this season compared to other seasons, so this was a good move for her, I would say. I hope the next few episodes we see more drama for Chloe. I was routing for her the whole time :)

[aqgalaxy]

Hydro like D.M.A said was the set up of both. Plus think about it, This is the first Clois kiss of the series, Chlark had 5 so far... and lots of hugs, not to mention the kisses on the cheek and forehead... Lets give those routing for Clois their time... Plus ED have how many appareance left compared to AM... Let them have time to be happy...

Here is the cold hard fact... Whether Clark ends up with Chloe or Lois... he will be in the two girls lives forever... they will be family. One as a Lover, the other as a Friend... this is what I see, whether Clois happens or not, I know there will always be Chlark. So we are stuck with eachother

[floydfan]

Yes, I don't feel worried about Chlark, is going to happend in some way

I won't lose my hopes so easyly :D

[chlarkfan333]

*Shakes head forlornly* Fans expecting Chlark to happen are going to be in for a sore letdown, I think. I'm a Chlark fan and I see no hints that Clark feels anything for Chloe past Wither, I really don't. The guy is still hung up on Lana. Yeah, he shut her down now, but we all know TPTB intend to play that as their main triangle AND throw in Clois moments. Romantic Chlark has very little room amongst all this other ship garbage, IMO. I wish they'd leave the Chlark as it is and keep the angst out of it.

[BlueJay]

I feel that Hydro just threw a bone to Clois, Clana and Chlark fans alike. Since we all know that Crimson will see all three girls get beat down by words or kisses it intensifies the emotions that the ep will bring all b/c of Hydro

[Khyla]

Originally posted by Netwolf
...then BAM out of no where they introduce a Lois. It just seemed redundant to me because this is Smallville not the comic book, and it has vaired so much from the original story that it would have been totally plauseable to have Chloe be Lois Lane in that sense. i totally see exactly where you're coming from. I too was shocked with the NEWbie Lois (or Nois, or EDlois). But, Hey, she's kind of a fun character in her own right, just not right for THEE Lois Lane, who we all know has been portrayed by Alison Mack all along. But no need to feel dishearted.
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[freefall]

Originally posted by Hey, Smallville
Well I dont see why it was BAM out of nowhere for you... I mean even when Chloe used the pen name, she SAID it was her cousins name... the writers threw that in there for a reason.


Agreed. In fact, while there are opinions that say this one of the biggest clue on the possibility that Chloe is actually Lois Lane, it has totally the opposite effect on me. Once they brought up Lois Lane is Chloe Sullivan's cousin (not interested in journalism some more ;)) I ceased to entertain the Chlois theory.

Originally posted by Netwolf

And to anyone who says "well they gotta push Lois, it's Superman dude and she is a major part of the mythos".....I say "NO, your wrong, this is SMALLVILLE and it is not a replica of the Superman myth, it is a VARIATION...PERIOD! And therefore there is no reason Chloe couldn't be Lois.

I'd say that Smallville is some kind of an in-between - not totally a variation, and certainly not just another replica. True, it has been veering off quite a lot from the mythology itself but there are a whole lot of other things that still matches it up to the Superman mythos' core elements which are generally known to the public - Lois Lane being the wife and professional partner of Clark/Superman as one of them.

I myself am of the opinion that while I partly agree that they're "pushing" Lois because she's a part of the mythos, I also believe that they're taking up the opportunity to tell the story of a young Lois Lane, and also placing her opposite of a young Clark Kent and see how they'd play off each other.

As for the Lois and Clark relationship itself, well they have never hit it off immediately, not in any version that I know of anyway. But over time, they begin to appreciate more and more of each other before finally falling in love. I see the same way with Lois and Clark on SV. S4 most of their moments were spent bickering with each other and in S5 we occasionally get them to open up to each other about things but the zinging still continues.

And this season, I believe they've grown much closer than before. Clark going out of his way to make sure Lois was happy and won't get hurt in her relationship with Oliver (Rage, Arrow), and Lois confiding in Clark himself about her thoughts (Hydro). IMO these are pretty big indications that they're indeed very close with each other.

The way I see it, both of them still have major, major issues to resolve before they can take up their iconic selves and respectful places in the mythos, and I think this is what they want to achieve with Lois' and Clark's characters in Smallville. Smallville is journey-themed after all. Lois to work on her journalism issues, and Clark to work on his hero issues. That's it, no need for a full-blown romance, just a solid friendship between them.

Just my two cents.

[kiariclois]

Originally posted by seacrystal
Agreed. In fact, while there are opinions that say this one of the biggest clue on the possibility that Chloe is actually Lois Lane, it has totally the opposite effect on me. Once they brought up Lois Lane is Chloe Sullivan's cousin (not interested in journalism some more ;)) I ceased to entertain the Chlois theory.



I'd say that Smallville is some kind of an in-between - not totally a variation, and certainly not just another replica. True, it has been veering off quite a lot from the mythology itself but there are a whole lot of other things that still matches it up to the Superman mythos' core elements which are generally known to the public - Lois Lane being the wife and professional partner of Clark/Superman as one of them.

I myself am of the opinion that while I partly agree that they're "pushing" Lois because she's a part of the mythos, I also believe that they're taking up the opportunity to tell the story of a young Lois Lane, and place her opposite of a young Clark Kent and see how they'd play each other out.

As for the Lois and Clark relationship itself, well they have never hit it off immediately, not any version that I know of anyway. But over time, they begin to appreciate more and more of each other before finally falling in love. I see the same way with Lois and Clark on SV. S4 most of their moments were spent bickering with each other and in S5 we occasionally get them to open up to each other about things but the zinging still continues.

And this season, I believe they've grown much closer than before. Clark going out of his way to make sure Lois was happy and won't get hurt in her relationship with Oliver (Rage, Arrow), and Lois confiding in Clark himself about her thoughts (Hydro). IMO these are pretty big indications that they're indeed very close with each other.

The way I see it, both of them still have major, major issues to resolve before they can take up their iconic selves and their respectful places in the mythos, and I think this is what they want to achieve with Lois' and Clark's characters in Smallville. Smallville is journey-themed after all. Lois to work on her journalism issues, and Clark to work on his hero issues. That's it, no need for a full-blown romance, just a solid friendship between them.

Just my two cents.

Hm.. nice one...

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
Hydro like D.M.A said was the set up of both. Plus think about it, This is the first Clois kiss of the series, Chlark had 5 so far... and lots of hugs, not to mention the kisses on the cheek and forehead... Lets give those routing for Clois their time... Plus ED have how many appareance left compared to AM... Let them have time to be happy...

Here is the cold hard fact... Whether Clark ends up with Chloe or Lois... he will be in the two girls lives forever... they will be family. One as a Lover, the other as a Friend... this is what I see, whether Clois happens or not, I know there will always be Chlark. So we are stuck with eachother

That was SOOOO SWEET!:) I am a die-hard CHLARKER, but I'm glad to see a NEW PERSPECTIVE on the POSSIBLE FUTURE of the CHLARK relationship!;) HOWEVER, I am still rooting for CHLARK:p

[Derrickray]

Originally posted by Netwolf
And on another note, I am currently watching all the seasons over again on DVD, in order. I just finished season one and I am half way through season 2 and folks I gotta say the show has changed so much this (and really in this season). It seems (to me) that the show had such a unique feel to it with the early seasons. It was fresh, it had vigor, it had it's own aura to it. And now it seems that it has become the typical "dark/X-Files-ish" type TV show. It went from something that had such a cool "comic book" (for lack of better words) feeling to a total "dark/Batman Movie-ish" feeling.

Coincidentally, I've been watching the seasons over too and I know what you mean when you say it has a different feel. It seemed like in earlier seasons, even when it was a bad freak-of-the-week episode, there were still the minor scenes that developed the characters relationships that you had to watch. Clark's realationship with Lana and Lex's relationship with Lionel really kept the show interesting.

In the newer seasons, it seems like the "side stories" in the episodes aren't as interesting. So basically, if the main plot stinks, the entire episode stinks.

[Moonshayde]

There is a good explantion for the change and feel to the show.

In the beginning, the show was nearly solely focused on Smallville. The characters were freshmen in high school. It was all very young, fresh, and innocent, in many ways.

The show is now in its sixth season and they are moving toward closing up. We are closer and closer to the Superman chapter of Clark's life. With many of the sets now set in Metropolis, there is this dark, metallic, cold feel. The color difference between Smallville and Meteopolis is amazing.

Now, I'm still loving the show. I knew this would eventually have to happen. part of me still longs for those early days when everything was so new. But I also know that this progression is a natural one. I'm enjoying both aspects of the series.

[Netwolf]

Originally posted by seacrystal


I myself am of the opinion that while I partly agree that they're "pushing" Lois because she's a part of the mythos, I also believe that they're taking up the opportunity to tell the story of a young Lois Lane, and also placing her opposite of a young Clark Kent and see how they'd play off each other.

As for the Lois and Clark relationship itself, well they have never hit it off immediately, not in any version that I know of anyway. But over time, they begin to appreciate more and more of each other before finally falling in love. I see the same way with Lois and Clark on SV. S4 most of their moments were spent bickering with each other and in S5 we occasionally get them to open up to each other about things but the zinging still continues.

And this season, I believe they've grown much closer than before. Clark going out of his way to make sure Lois was happy and won't get hurt in her relationship with Oliver (Rage, Arrow), and Lois confiding in Clark himself about her thoughts (Hydro). IMO these are pretty big indications that they're indeed very close with each other.



I read this thought a bit ago on here and really it applies to all the characters on the show.

"how the heck will Lois, Lex, Lana, etc., etc....not know Superman isn't Clark Kent just because he puts on a pair of glasses???"

And I think this question proves even more so that Smallville is Smallville NOT Superman as we all know the original story.
And that is what love about Smallville, anything can happen, even if it is a major step away from what so many people think will happen, ie. who Clark will end up with, etc., etc.... Heck they can even answer that question by having Clark tell them he is a BDA....it's Smallville where nothing is set in stone.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Derrickray

In the newer seasons, it seems like the "side stories" in the episodes aren't as interesting. So basically, if the main plot stinks, the entire episode stinks. [/QUOTE]

Well of course....I have often wondered somewhere around season 4 and for sure 5, how many characters do they think they can introduce and not have the show not get all side tracked? I mean if you cut out all the commercials each show is what maybe 40 minutes?
I think all the extra characters they have brought in since season 4/5 should have been treated just like Perry White was treated, just like Aquaman was treated, just like the Flash was treated, one time, one show, get the point across for future reference and then back to the main characters who have been there since day one.

[fresh prince]

the style of ones hair can change a persons look in Lois and clark he looks different with his head combed back I still think he should of been wearing glasses in this show who knows maybe he will start when hes superman lol

[meteor]

i wouldn't worry Netwolf..Chloe is an integral character on the show and will continue to be one way or another.

[Netwolf]

Originally posted by meteor
i wouldn't worry Netwolf..Chloe is an integral character on the show and will continue to be one way or another.

I know but it's also about the other "veteran" characters on the show. I noticed you have a Martha avatar...gosh poor Martha she hasn't had hardly any screen time this season and to be honest I was more interested in her and Lionel dealings than say two episodes in a row of the "Ollie and Lois Show".

But thanks for the comfort....nice to see I don't get flamed everytime I make a post. lol

[freefall]

Originally posted by Netwolf
I know but it's also about the other "veteran" characters on the show. I noticed you have a Martha avatar...gosh poor Martha she hasn't had hardly any screen time this season and to be honest I was more interested in her and Lionel dealings than say two episodes in a row of the "Ollie and Lois Show".

But thanks for the comfort....nice to see I don't get flamed everytime I make a post. lol

They've made a good decision not to include Martha and Lionel for Hydro. The episode has already many storylines to develop in 40 minutes without another one to convolute the plot even more. Like in Fallout, they've also made a good decision not to include Lois in that. Her character wouldn't have fit into the storyline at all.

As for the whole "who wouldn't recognize Clark Kent as Superman" thing, well let's just leave it to the writers and see how they're going to get themselves out of that one :) There have been many discussions on this forum itself about this, so I'd say there are still a number of plausible scenarios on how they're going to handle that.

Regarding Chloe, I personally think she's here to stay on Smallville until the series finale :) No sense in killing or writing her off anyway.

[vikingjedi]

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
*Shakes head forlornly* Fans expecting Chlark to happen are going to be in for a sore letdown, I think. I'm a Chlark fan and I see no hints that Clark feels anything for Chloe past Wither, I really don't. The guy is still hung up on Lana. Yeah, he shut her down now, but we all know TPTB intend to play that as their main triangle AND throw in Clois moments. Romantic Chlark has very little room amongst all this other ship garbage, IMO. I wish they'd leave the Chlark as it is and keep the angst out of it.

The way they got it set up it makes sense. Clark has to become friends with Lana again before he can move on and Chloe is with Jimmy. It's very possible that in the near future things will change

This is JMO but this season has been about Clark finding out who he really is, thats why he hasn't been involved in any relationships. Once he knows who he is then he can focus on other things

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by Netwolf


I don't know, I mean I will continue to watch but I am in such a worried spot now in days because I feel that Chloe will eventually have less and less impact (because the writers keep pushing Lois) and that would be tragic because Allison as Chloe is the main reason I have watched the show for over 6 years now.


Chloe has too big of a following for her character to fade away, It would be a royal mistake not to continue using her.
As we see from the Justice screencaps, Chloe is right there in the thick of things.