Something fishy between Clark & Chloe...

[smallville86]

First of all I can only hope that Chloe was actually the MM in the end loft scene as suggested in another thread and maybe Clark knew...

Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know" It makes NO sense. Especially since this is not a secret like the one with GA's identity, this is exactly the type of stuff him and Chloe talk about. I don't believe for one sec he is doing it to protect her as some think. If he wanted to protect her he would tell her everything about the MM he saw so she could be on the look out especially since he doesn't know if he is
good or bad. In my mind there are two reasons why he may have said this:

1. I guess maybe he just didn't want to tell her about the Morgue scene and the bodies that had their bones ripped out? If that is the case they should have made that more clear. It seemed completely out of character.
2. He may be mad at her for keeping Lana secrets which seemed very obvious in the last episode where he asked Chloe what was wrong with Lana and he could tell she was lying. This would be a better reason for his statement tonight but once again, I wish they would make this more obvious. Maybe this is what will lead to the rumored fight between him and Chloe over Lana preggers secret...

I also wanted to point out all of the secrets Clark and Chloe have been keeping form eachother. Clark didn't tell her all the details of his latest adventure or about the true identity of the GA and Chloe has been keeping secrets from Clark about Lana A LOT. This seems like a turning point in their relationship. I can't remember when they have kept secrets from eachother since Chloe found out Clark's secrets.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by smallville86
First of all I can only hope that Chloe was actually the MM in the end loft scene as suggested in another thread and maybe Clark knew...

Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know" It makes NO sense. Especially since this is not a secret like the one with GA's identity, this is exactly the type of stuff him and Chloe talk about. I don't believe for one sec he is doing it to protect her as some think. If he wanted to protect her he would tell her everything about the MM he saw so she could be on the look out especially since he doesn't know if he is
good or bad. In my mind there are two reasons why he may have said this:

1. I guess maybe he just didn't want to tell her about the Morgue scene and the bodies that had their bones ripped out? If that is the case they should have made that more clear. It seemed completely out of character.
2. He may be mad at her for keeping Lana secrets which seemed very obvious in the last episode where he asked Chloe what was wrong with Lana and he could tell she was lying. This would be a better reason for his statement tonight but once again, I wish they would make this more obvious. Maybe this is what will lead to the rumored fight between him and Chloe over Lana preggers secret...

I also wanted to point out all of the secrets Clark and Chloe have been keeping form eachother. Clark didn't tell her all the details of his latest adventure or about the true identity of the GA and Chloe has been keeping secrets from Clark about Lana A LOT. This seems like a turning point in their relationship. I can't remember when they have kept secrets from eachother since Chloe found out Clark's secrets.
Well the secrets that they r keepin r understandable,it isn't the other bizzness.Chloe doesn't need to kno who Ga is and its not clark's place to tell,jus as wit lana,its not for chloe to tell.Yes tonight may have been a setup of their future fight but I dont think its to much ooc from them both.Remember clark kept jor-el threat from chloe up til lana died,and chloe kept lexana under wraps til clark knew.It isn't nothin new,but its understandable cause its none of the other bizzness to kno.But maybe tonight was sumwhat a setup of their future fight,but I dont think it was weird between them.Clark didn't kno what to say,he was confused about what happen it doesn't suprise me he didn't wanna go into details,but he did tho.I dont think this will hurt their friendship jus as their fight wont,make things alil bumpy yes but not hurt it.They'll be fine in Justice :D

[future-reporter]

i dont want them 2 fight or keep secrets but D.M.A is right its not there place to tell and its not there secret to tell but as 4 MM well that was just wrong 4 clark 2 keep that from chloe

[aft06]

or maybe its just another sign that Chlark won't happen.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by future-reporter
i dont want them 2 fight or keep secrets but D.M.A is right its not there place to tell and its not there secret to tell but as 4 MM well that was just wrong 4 clark 2 keep that from chloe
well u gotta remember he doesn't kno what MM is,he doesn't kno if he's bad/good where he come from or what.So he seemed more confused than anythin,yes he still spoke up about him but he seemed lost when she first asked him.So I dont blame him for makin the statements

[biaaly]

And a sign that says maybe Clark will start working more on his own, and not running to Chloe for everything and telling her every single thing that goes on. Finally. He doesn't HAVE to tell everything, and yeah people are now saying its like he uses her, but hey she gladly does it.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by aft06
or maybe its just another sign that Chlark won't happen.
Naw I think it could still happen jus off jimmy constantly askin chloe about clark,plus chloe seem to want clark to stay and help her but he didn't.Even when she enter the barn she express how much she was worried so it was good to see he was alright,so I can still see it.Tonight was more of a setup tho of their future fight cause both have been tryin to hide things from each other.They've both been overprotective of each other and I think chloe realize tonight that he's been tryin to shut her out so its a setup of a chlark blowout,but it doesn't mean no future chlark.That is still undetermine right now :D

[RedPhoenix23]

Clark doesn't HAVE to tell Chloe if he doesn't want to. It would be a respectful thing to do, considering all she's done to help find the other Zoners for him - not to mention the help she gives him for the day to day problems in general. But Clark isn't obligated. If Clark wasn't obligated to tell his "girlfreind" that she had sex with an alien, lol, then his " best freind" isn't obligated to know every little detial of the hunt for the zoners if he's not comfortable telling her.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by smallville86
First of all I can only hope that Chloe was actually the MM in the end loft scene as suggested in another thread and maybe Clark knew...

Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know"

I think he's been trying to protect Chloe from the Zoners by not giving her a choice in the matter. With Gloria he supersped away from Chloe when she wanted to go along.

In Sneeze he did the same.

This is just a continuation of what Clark's been doing to Chloe (and everyone) all along. He shuts people out so they won't get hurt. He did it to Lana, now Chloe and even Lois... so... it makes sense to me but I also think it's rude and unfair. She does a lot for Clark and she's an adult. He doesn't have the right to make these decisions for her.

But finally Clark has come right out and told her... so now it's up to Chloe. Is she content to abide by Clark's... protective exclusion... or is she going to resign as Clark's 24/7 sidekick and continue her Chimmy investigations? I vote for the latter.

Clark could do everything Chloe does and faster if he put his super-Kryptonian mind to it. And he has access to an even more advanced information highway than Chloe... the Fortress. So...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by biaaly
And a sign that says maybe Clark will start working more on his own, and not running to Chloe for everything and telling her every single thing that goes on. Finally. He doesn't HAVE to tell everything, and yeah people are now saying its like he uses her, but hey she gladly does it.
Yes I think he will try to do things on his own more,but not because he's hidin things/doesn't want to tell her.He jus feels responsible for the zoners gettin out and killin ppl,plus he's ready to go train.So he's tryin to handle things without anythin holdin him back from leavin,we kno how emotional clark gets.And can u imagine if chloe knew why he wanted to find all these zoners so fast :lol: .He feels as tho hes alone this season cause everyone has sumone,but she's tryin to tell him that nothin has changed.He takes it upon himself to work alone now,so when he comes at her about secrets she lets him have it cause he wants to work alone.So she feels he should find out that type of info on his own and not complain to her,when he wont even let her in anymore,so yea I agree.But its not goin to hurt chlark overall jus give them sum bumps along the way,cause clark thinks he's alone yet responsible for dark thur,so he'll do sum things hisself.Which I think will come back to hurt him when he wants to help wit level 33.1 and she not want his help either.But they'll be fine,I dont see no big changed except maybe havin jimmy scooby wit them more next season.But chlark will remain a team tho

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I think he's been trying to protect Chloe from the Zoners by not giving her a choice in the matter. With Gloria he supersped away from Chloe when she wanted to go along.

In Sneeze he did the same.

This is just a continuation of what Clark's been doing to Chloe (and everyone) all along. He shuts people out so they won't get hurt. He did it to Lana, now Chloe and even Lois... so... it makes sense to me but I also think it's rude and unfair. She does a lot for Clark and she's an adult. He doesn't have the right to make these decisions for her.

But finally Clark has come right out and told her... so now it's up to Chloe. Is she content to abide by Clark's... protective exclusion... or is she going to resign as Clark's 24/7 sidekick and continue her Chimmy investigations? I vote for the latter.

Clark could do everything Chloe does and faster if he put his super-Kryptonian mind to it. And he has access to an even more advanced information highway than Chloe... the Fortress. So...
I agree he is jus bein overprotective of her now,he's shown it all thru this season so nothin new tonight.But he did tell her what happen,so its up to her if she wants to tag along.He jus dont wanna give her that option cause he's afraid sumthin may happen to her.I doubt she'll wanna stop bein his sidekick and clark knows this so he tries to keep things from her so she wont get curious,cause he knows if chloe can tag along she will.That's why he's supersped off from her more than once this season,he's jus bein cautious cause he knows chloe will get deep in it wit him.But he isn't sure he can keep her safe,he stress that in sneeze,nothin new tonight wit his attitude.Plus he was more confused about the matter he doesn't kno much about MM but when he knows more I'm sure he'll tell it.Atleast he did come out wit it before she left,he jus seemed scared.

[lexs&os]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I think he's been trying to protect Chloe from the Zoners by not giving her a choice in the matter. With Gloria he supersped away from Chloe when she wanted to go along.

In Sneeze he did the same.



That was my thoughts too. Clark saw what MM did to the Zoner that Clark couldn't stop - even with daddy's crystal. He knows Chloe well enough to know, she'd go digging.

[angelfire east]

The is the second time I've seen holes in the chlark friendship. The other week is was Clark unhadnly going behind Chloe's back to delete her files becuase IMO he didn't trust her to do it himself and I don't buy any excuse about how he was doing a good thign for her. And now he's leaving her out in the cold about what happened.

[SmallvilleMan]

Well, all I can think of is that Clark feels alone and not it's affecting more with Chloe. At this time last year, the three most important people to Clark: Lana, Martha and Jonathon were still around and there for him. Now he only has Martha and she wasn't even in the episode. She's the one who can reach him, but maybe she's too busy playing with Lionel:lol:

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by angelfire east
The is the second time I've seen holes in the chlark friendship. The other week is was Clark unhadnly going behind Chloe's back to delete her files becuase IMO he didn't trust her to do it himself and I don't buy any excuse about how he was doing a good thign for her. And now he's leaving her out in the cold about what happened.

Hmm... I forgot about this... Clark and Chloe need to have a conversation.

[All about Clark]

I'm not convinced that he's planning to keep this from Chloe. I think he just needed time to think about it. Maybe he's feeling watched.

[meteor]

maybe Clark's upset because he's thinking "what the heck is going on around here..i'm Superman and i can't even get any airtime anymore. my best friend is keeping secrets from me and dating Opie from Mayberry, the love of my life now treats me like the village pariah, and the hot Krytonian chick got killed before i even had a chance to get some. someobody gimme some respect" :\

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by angelfire east
The is the second time I've seen holes in the chlark friendship. The other week is was Clark unhadnly going behind Chloe's back to delete her files becuase IMO he didn't trust her to do it himself and I don't buy any excuse about how he was doing a good thign for her. And now he's leaving her out in the cold about what happened.

So was Clark really the one that deleted the GA files? For some reason I have a hard time believing he's smart enough to completely erase files off of a hardive... I am surprised Chloe didn't find the files just chilling in her reycle bin, lol.

[RMF]

Originally posted by smallville86
Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know" It makes NO sense. Especially since this is not a secret like the one with GA's identity, this is exactly the type of stuff him and Chloe talk about.
I agree that line was odd, but this was a badly written episode. Clark is intensely preoccupied in that scene, and evidently had been for some time, because he wasn't returning Chloe's calls. When he says that MM had powers he could only dream of, the strong implication is that he is referring to flight, not invisibility or the Zoner-frying, because that was what was highlighted. I think Clark is actually yearning to fly, and that is what he doesn't want to share with Chloe. There's no sign he's told anyone other than Martha about his plan to train with Jor-el, and this desire to embrace his heritage will cause big changes in his relationships with his loved ones.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by All about Clark
I'm not convinced that he's planning to keep this from Chloe. I think he just needed time to think about it. Maybe he's feeling watched.
Or jus confused cause MM he admitted could do things he only dreamed of.I dont fault him for bein confused and not really knowin what to say,but he did tell her tho.Its not like he didn't tell,he jus seemed confused cause this was a creature that could stop the zoner he couldn't.So I'd be confused too

Originally posted by RMF
I agree that line was odd, but this was a badly written episode. Clark is intensely preoccupied in that scene, and evidently had been for some time, because he wasn't returning Chloe's calls. When he says that MM had powers he could only dream of, the strong implication is that he is referring to flight, not invisibility or the Zoner-frying, because that was what was highlighted. I think Clark is actually yearning to fly, and that is what he doesn't want to share with Chloe. There's no sign he's told anyone other than Martha about his plan to train with Jor-el, and this desire to embrace his heritage will cause big changes in his relationships with his loved ones.
I agree he has alot on his mind,and I do think his comments about doin things he's only dreamed of is flyin.I do think he wants to learn now w/e he can from jor-el,as for wit chloe he jus feels alone.Tho she tries to tell him he's not he jus feels that way,I do think he's only told martha about him wantin to leave and it will effect chlark relationship even more.He didn't return her calls for a reason and she got worried but from what he jus saw I dont blame him for bein confused.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
So was Clark really the one that deleted the GA files? For some reason I have a hard time believing he's smart enough to completely erase files off of a hardive... I am surprised Chloe didn't find the files just chilling in her reycle bin, lol.

:rotfl: :rotfl: true, one won't think he had the brains to delete those files:rotfl: :rotfl:

[savingpeoplething]

Isn't there supposed to be a fight between Chlark coming up (Ask Ausiello spoilers)?

Chloe keeping Lana's pregancy a secret and Clark not telling her things will culminate into a blowout...
...but, it'll just have to make room for a make up scene. :)

[Dor el]

Clark does seem to be distancing himself from people. If Clark thought Chloe would be happy with jolly Jimmy, then Clark would not stand in her way. He has an annoying habit of standing back and watching other people being happy. If he does plan to go to the
FOS for an extended period of time, he will need to "fix" things so no one will come looking for him and interrupt him. Chloe inadvertently interupted him once and perhaps Clark now feels that if he had completed his time with Jor el then, then Dark Thursday might not have happened. On the other hand, maybe Clark noticed the success that GA has had doing things on his own. And then again, maybe Clark's motives are as simple as he just didn't know what to say. Afterall, he had just seen some pretty gross stuff and he had just witnessed something which could put the world in very dire straits. We know who MM is, but Clark has no clue.

I do think that all the secrets Clark and Chloe are keeping from each other, regardless of how noble the motivation to keep those secrets, will undermine their relationship to some extent.

[WalterK]

This is all in character for Clark. He tries to protect people by keeping things from them. In real life, it is usually best to be honest and this tends to build stronger relationships. But Clark's situation is pretty unique. He gets involved in really dangerous situations, and if his human friends get unnecessarily involved, they are going to die. Of course, they already get involved too much, and because this is TV they don't die.

Clark tends to use Chloe for research, but he does not want her tagging along when he goes after dangerous aliens like the zoners. She also does not have a right to participate in all of Clark's heroics. While this may seem like a bum deal for Chloe, they have an unequal relationship. He is a superhero, and she is a frail human. Whether or not Clark shows enough gratitude is another question, since that makes for boring TV. The writers could include some occassional scenes of Clark thanking Chloe for all the help she gives him.

[jmf1977]

I'm ready for a break between Clark and Chloe. She needs to do something else besides tagging after Clark. Clark needs to stand on his own for once.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by jmf1977
I'm ready for a break between Clark and Chloe. She needs to do something else besides tagging after Clark. Clark needs to stand on his own for once.

Amen. I don't necessarily want them to hate each other or be angry with each other for a long time... but I want the dynamic of their relationship to change for the better.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am also happy the shine of clark has worn off on chloe, I hope climmy continues. Chloe deserves to be treated as the number 1, not clark's second choice, ....or 3rd.....

[ginnyfan]

^Exactly. :)

[londeaux]

I have to agree that Clark is pushing Chloe away due to that he will be leaving for his training.

He will have to come up with a way to explain his suddenly leaving. He is the son of a state senator and reporters are going to go ape that Martha's son just disappears for no reason.

I think his "public" reason is that he is going on a "walkabout." To discover his place in the world.

It'll be interesting to find out how "lexana" reacts to his leaving Smallville for an undetermined amount of time. Even bigger question is how Lois is going to react.

[Rhoda123]

I think that Clark and Chloe keeping things from one another will eventually lead to some major arguments between the two of them.. for the most part, over the years, they have been really tight friends and Clark has ALWAYS been able to count on Chloe. Now he is seeing that maybe Chloe has a few secrets of her own plus with the fact that Jimmy is now her boyfriend, maybe he is backing away from her and realizing that his destiny is going to be a hard one and he doesn't want her to be in any more danger than she has been in. Clark seems like the world is on his shoulders but what Chloe said makes SO MUCH SENSE!!!

Chloe: "Sometimes heroes even need saving."

Loved it.. I have always been a Chlarker and I always will be but I guess what means the most to me is that their friendship always be as special and as real as it has been..

[SnarkMasterJ]

A poster at TWoP theorized that Clark had just seen some pretty traumatic events in Seattle (the boneless bodies as a result of the predator he himself set loose). To me, Clark was mostly miffed from all the trauma and bloodshed, and I think he feels a lot of responsibility for it and didn't find it necessary to share that with Chloe. Granted, it's his overprotective mechanism kicking in, but I don't think he did it to cause strife in he and Chloe's friendship. Now he just needs to find the way to tell her that.

And personally, until Clark found the cookie, I got the distinct impression that he wanted to go after Chloe and explain things to her. But it's good build-up for their big blowout fight...and ultimate make-up. :D

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
A poster at TWoP theorized that Clark had just seen some pretty traumatic events in Seattle (the boneless bodies as a result of the predator he himself set loose). To me, Clark was mostly miffed from all the trauma and bloodshed, and I think he feels a lot of responsibility for it and didn't find it necessary to share that with Chloe. Granted, it's his overprotective mechanism kicking in, but I don't think he did it to cause strife in he and Chloe's friendship. Now he just needs to find the way to tell her that.

And personally, until Clark found the cookie, I got the distinct impression that he wanted to go after Chloe and explain things to her. But it's good build-up for their big blowout fight...and ultimate make-up. :D
I agree he did jus tell her that this thing could do things he only dreamed of,and he heard her say how much she was worried wit him gone.So he was still in shock and didn't really kno what to say,I dont fault him for not havin answers.Atleast he told her sumthin about MM,what lil he knows.But it did kind of hurt her that he doesn't want her involved anymore and thinks he's alone,I think she tried to stress that to him.So when she left I got the impression he was goin after her too but was interrupted.It will lead to their blowout later yes,but he'll make it up to her he's jus scared/feeling responsible for those zoners

[Honey45]

I think Clark is just sick of answering Chloe's alien questions all the time.

I know I would be..

Besides, Clark was still confused about the whole issue himself.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by HeddyH
I think Clark is just sick of answering Chloe's alien questions all the time.

I know I would be..

Besides, Clark was still confused about the whole issue himself.
I dont think he was sick of her askin,jus confused I mean he did see sumthin that not even he could handle.

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by HeddyH
I think Clark is just sick of answering Chloe's alien questions all the time.

I know I would be..

Besides, Clark was still confused about the whole issue himself.

How could he be sick of her asking questions when he generally goes to her for help? She is and always has been the one he turns to..

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Indeed something is coming between the two. I think is about time they need to clear up somethings about each other roles in their lives.

Originally posted by WalterK
Clark tends to use Chloe for research, but he does not want her tagging along when he goes after dangerous aliens like the zoners. She also does not have a right to participate in all of Clark's heroics. While this may seem like a bum deal for Chloe, they have an unequal relationship. He is a superhero, and she is a frail human. Whether or not Clark shows enough gratitude is another question, since that makes for boring TV. The writers could include some occassional scenes of Clark thanking Chloe for all the help she gives him.

Actually they have a deep bond you see them having a picnic by the lake and in a deleted scene ( I think) they said that everytime Clark is on Metropolis they had lunch togheter (they must had lunch every 15 minutes! :D) i think their friendship had reached a point in wich they don't need to say thank you everytime one of them does something for the other. ;)

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by smallville86
Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know" It makes NO sense. Especially since this is not a secret like the one with GA's identity, this is exactly the type of stuff him and Chloe talk about. I don't believe for one sec he is doing it to protect her as some think. If he wanted to protect her he would tell her everything about the MM he saw so she could be on the look out especially since he doesn't know if he is good or bad.

I HATE CLARK!!!
I HATE CLARK!!!
I HATE CLARK!!!
I HATE CLARK!!!
I HATE CLARK!!!
Man, the BDA pi$$es me off.
How many time is he gonna screw it up with Chloe...?
Please, girl Forget about the guy, he's not worth the effort.
I am upset.

[lilkoolmaria]

I think it's a sign that Clark is growing away from her a little and starting to be more independent. I think it's great. She's always there, doing all the work for him.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
I think it's a sign that Clark is growing away from her a little and starting to be more independent. I think it's great. She's always there, doing all the work for him.

Exactly.
But that's no reason to treat her like cr@p...

[lilkoolmaria]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Exactly.
But that's no reason to treat her like cr@p...

I agree. First Lana was being harsh to her in the level 33.1 room, and then Clark in the loft. The girl just can't catch a break.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
I agree. First Lana was being harsh to her in the level 33.1 room, and then Clark in the loft. The girl just can't catch a break.

Well, I don't blame Lana. She's in love with Lex, so she defends him. That's cool.
Now Clark, he's just a jerk. Period.

[BadToad]

If Clark was a jerk to Chloe this episode, and I don't think he was. AT ALL. Then certainly one must say that Chloe was a bit jerkish to Clark at the beginning of the episode when she gave him attitude because he felt his first priority was to go to Seattle and try to help innocent people endangered by the Zoner rather then stay behind to hold Lana's hand and look for Lex. Doesn't she insinuate that he's not helping due a personal issue? What the heck is that?

IMO, neither one was "a jerk". But I certainly found much more wrong with Chloe's initial attitude rather then Clark just not wanting to share the details of the horrific scene he'd been witness to, or the fact that he's got another player on the board he knows nothing about.

IMO

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by BadToad
If Clark was a jerk to Chloe this episode, and I don't think he was. AT ALL. Then certainly one must say that Chloe was a bit jerkish to Clark at the beginning of the episode when she gave him attitude because he felt his first priority was to go to Seattle and try to help innocent people endangered by the Zoner rather then stay behind to hold Lana's hand and look for Lex. Doesn't she insinuate that he's not helping due a personal issue? What the heck is that?

Oh, you are totally right.
I even think this was out-of-character for Chloe, but not jerkish. Why in the world would she tell Clark to stay and save LEX?!? Has Chloe gone mad? IMO, that was proof once again that the Chloe character is not as well written as it used to be...

[myankskent]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Oh, you are totally right.
I even think this was out-of-character for Chloe, but not jerkish. Why in the world would she tell Clark to stay and save LEX?!? Has Chloe gone mad? IMO, that was proof once again that the Chloe character is not as well written as it used to be...

All they're doing is building up a fight that will happen between Chloe and Clark, and as we can all see, they aren't exactly using intelligent storytelling to do it. What a shock.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Oh, you are totally right.
I even think this was out-of-character for Chloe, but not jerkish. Why in the world would she tell Clark to stay and save LEX?!? Has Chloe gone mad? IMO, that was proof once again that the Chloe character is not as well written as it used to be...

Maybe because she knows Lana is pregnant with Lex's child ?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by myankskent
All they're doing is building up a fight that will happen between Chloe and Clark, and as we can all see, they aren't exactly using intelligent storytelling to do it. What a shock.

Yeah, I guess you're right.
But what after the big fight?
I mean, Clark's a jerk.

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Maybe because she knows Lana is pregnant with Lex's child ?

Hmmmm, interesting point.
So you think that in a way, Chloe was asking Clark to stay for Lana, rather than for Lex?

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

probably, knowing that if something happens to Lex, not only will Lana be devasted, the child will be fatherless and Clark would blame himself, of course.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by myankskent
All they're doing is building up a fight that will happen between Chloe and Clark, and as we can all see, they aren't exactly using intelligent storytelling to do it. What a shock.

Yeah, they're obviously going in that direction. I guess it's their way of further isolating Clark from the other characters.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Yeah, they're obviously going in that direction. I guess it's their way of further isolating Clark from the other characters.

Yeah, being isolated. He really likes that...

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Yeah, being isolated. He really likes that...

Yes, so he can play with his ball :D

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

you say that as if it was a bad thing

[Atomic girl]

As an earlier poster said, I think he was going to call after Chloe until he saw the Oreo. I thought the whole scene was weird for them, but my take was that he didn't want to confess his shortcomings to Chloe. He has some feelings for her, but he's trying to respect her relationship with JO.

He already said that he didn't think the mission was a success, a hard enough confession for any guy, and then to have to tell her he was confused and scared of what he saw, well that's asking a lot of any guy. To admit that they are not in control is hard.

As others have posted, he's confused by what he saw and confused as to whether this guy is a good guy, one he won't have to deal with, or a bad guy, possibly a zoner that he feels he needs to deal with, but doesn't know how to and feels powerless - an unusual feeling for Clark.

[Absolute Kingdom]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Yes, so he can play with his ball :D

Plural please :D

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Rhoda123
How could he be sick of her asking questions when he generally goes to her for help? She is and always has been the one he turns to..

Because every other thing she asks him is a question.

She rarely asks if he's alright or upset; she wants to know more about him, the zoners, Martian Manhunter (if that was Chloe), etc.

[Jason423]

I think Clark just sees everything around him falling apart at this point. Lana is with Lex. Chloe with Jimmy. His mom is never home. Dad is dead. Lois Lane has a boyfriend. All the problems from the Phantom Zone. I think hes just fried and he no longer wants to even share this stuff with otehr people. On top of that I have a feeling that he may know that Lana is pregnant with Lexs child. He knew Chloe was on the phone with her and knows they are not telling him something.

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by HeddyH
Because every other thing she asks him is a question.

She rarely asks if he's alright or upset; she wants to know more about him, the zoners, Martian Manhunter (if that was Chloe), etc.

I completely disagree. Clark goes to her.. always.. and she helps him in every way with whatever he needs. If she wants to know more (she IS a reporter) to help him further or be a shoulder, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with it! And I also disagree that she doesn't just ask how he is.. look at the past 5 seasons..they speak for themselves..

[Nightingale20]

I didn't quite like how Clark kind of brushed Chloe off at the end but I guess he just wanted to collect his thoughts.

I was puzzled with Chloe's line about "Clark Kent doesn't hold a candle to the Infuriator" whether it meant she no longer has feelings for Clark in the romantic sense or was it just to give Jimmy an ego boost.

[RPMSDB]

I think Clark was just upset because the 'unknown' visitor refused to share his Oreos.

[Krypto/DQ/]

Originally posted by Nightingale20
I didn't quite like how Clark kind of brushed Chloe off at the end but I guess he just wanted to collect his thoughts.

I was puzzled with Chloe's line about "Clark Kent doesn't hold a candle to the Infuriator" whether it meant she no longer has feelings for Clark in the romantic sense or was it just to give Jimmy an ego boast.


What is a Infuriator? :confused: (tryed to translate but didn't work)

She said: "Ah come on. Clark can’t hold a candle light to the Infuriator."

Is this insulting Clark or what?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Nightingale20
I was puzzled with Chloe's line about "Clark Kent doesn't hold a candle to the Infuriator" whether it meant she no longer has feelings for Clark in the romantic sense or was it just to give Jimmy an ego boast.
I didn't like this line either, it worries me...

Originally posted by Jason423
I think Clark just sees everything around him falling apart at this point. Lana is with Lex. Chloe with Jimmy. His mom is never home. Dad is dead. Lois Lane has a boyfriend. All the problems from the Phantom Zone. I think hes just fried and he no longer wants to even share this stuff with otehr people.
Most likely that's what going on. I don't think he knows about the baby, that's why he's gonna be upset in 'hydro'...

[Nightingale20]

Originally posted by Krypto/DQ/
What is a Infuriator? :confused: (tryed to translate but didn't work)

That was the nickname Jimmy was called.

[Krypto/DQ/]

Originally posted by Nightingale20
That was the nickname Jimmy was called.

oooohhh ok thank you! :)

She said exactly: "Ah come on. Clark can’t hold a candle light to the Infuriator." (its an english expression, the translation in french doesn't make any sense...could you guys help e with that)

So Is this insulting Clark or what?

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Krypto/DQ/
What is a Infuriator? :confused: (tryed to translate but didn't work)

I think it comes from 'fury', no?
I'm no native speaker either... But I think it's supposed to make Jimmy look like the tough guy he isn't, I assume he chose the name himself... More like our screen names here, they're not always true...;)

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Krypto/DQ/
oooohhh ok thank you! :)

She said exactly: "Ah come on. Clark can’t hold a candle light to the Infuriator." (its an english expression, the translation in french doesn't make any sense...could you guys help e with that)

So Is this insulting Clark or what?

It's just a nickname to make himself feel cool, lol.

No, it's not an insult to Clark. :lol: Chloe was being cute and comforting her man when she said Clark couldn't hold a candle to the "The Infuriator".

[DayOfTheDead]

I am not happy with how Clark is treating Chloe lately. So I hope they can clear the air soon.

I wasn't happy, but didn't mind it so much in Fade when Clark threw a bit of a wobbly at Chloe about keeping Lana's secret, because she got him to see her very reasonable POV. He has secrets she keeps from others, they're not hers to tell, so she won't tell him Lana's. So like the good friends they are, they

But this season he has thus far deleted her files on GA without her permission or knowledge. He told her to drop the GA stuff, but didn't tell her what he knew and shut her out. Then last night he shuts her out again with the MM stuff.

I think Clark needs a wake-up call from Chloe about respecting her more in their friendship. I think they will, but I it might take more than one episode to do so.

[umm]

Originally posted by DayOfTheDead
I am not happy with how Clark is treating Chloe lately. So I hope they can clear the air soon.

I wasn't happy, but didn't mind it so much in Fade when Clark threw a bit of a wobbly at Chloe about keeping Lana's secret, because she got him to see her very reasonable POV. He has secrets she keeps from others, they're not hers to tell, so she won't tell him Lana's. So like the good friends they are, they

But this season he has thus far deleted her files on GA without her permission or knowledge. He told her to drop the GA stuff, but didn't tell her what he knew and shut her out. Then last night he shuts her out again with the MM stuff.

I think Clark needs a wake-up call from Chloe about respecting her more in their friendship. I think they will, but I it might take more than one episode to do so.

I agree with you about the Lana issue, as for GA and MM, well you can't really blame him there! For example Green Arriw asked him to keep his secret a secret from everyone, that includes Chloe! It's not Clark's secret to tell, the same goes for MM! Clark doesn't know if MM wants Chloe to be in the loop, so the best thing for Clark is to keep his mouth sealed! As for deleting Chloe's files, yeah that is underhanded and Clark shouldn't have done that, but that's about all one can fault him for in this matter!

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by DayOfTheDead
I am not happy with how Clark is treating Chloe lately. So I hope they can clear the air soon.

But this season he has thus far deleted her files on GA without her permission or knowledge. He told her to drop the GA stuff, but didn't tell her what he knew and shut her out. Then last night he shuts her out again with the MM stuff.

I agree, our BDA has to develop some respect for the humans around him. Especially those who put their butts on the line for him, every other day...

[Honey45]

Originally posted by Rhoda123
I completely disagree. Clark goes to her.. always.. and she helps him in every way with whatever he needs. If she wants to know more (she IS a reporter) to help him further or be a shoulder, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with it! And I also disagree that she doesn't just ask how he is.. look at the past 5 seasons..they speak for themselves..

Clark does not ALWAYS go to her.
Half the stuff she gets for Clark, she does it on her own without his asking.

A lot of the stuff she asks if for her own curiousity - look at the past 5 seasons.

[wolverine316]

I think SuperChloe has to realize that there are going to be times where Clark has to do things on his own and is not going to tell her everything. Get it out of your head that you are his sidekick. You can't keep tagging along all the time.

[khufu]

Originally posted by wolverine316
I think SuperChloe has to realize that there are going to be times where Clark has to do things on his own and is not going to tell her everything. Get it out of your head that you are his sidekick. You can't keep tagging along all the time. Hmmm..... Superman and SuperChloe.... I like the sound of that. And it sure makes a lotta sense.

[JonStewart4President]

Originally posted by khufu
Hmmm..... Superman and SuperChloe.... I like the sound of that. And it sure makes a lotta sense. Yeah, but only one of them is the way it's supposed to be. And that's the guy who's going to be wearing tights and his underwear on the outside. Lucky lucky him.;)

[a silent liaison]

Clark has yet to discover if MM is ''evil'' or ''good.'' Until he finds out, and until he knows for sure, not saying anything is his way of protecting Chloe.

[JonStewart4President]

Originally posted by a silent liaison
Clark has yet to discover if MM is ''evil'' or ''good.'' Until he finds out, and until he knows for sure, not saying anything is his way of protecting Chloe. Why would it matter if MM is evil or not? GA is good and Clark is refusing to tell Chloe about him too. I don't see how Clark's motivation is protection.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Atomic girl
As an earlier poster said, I think he was going to call after Chloe until he saw the Oreo. I thought the whole scene was weird for them, but my take was that he didn't want to confess his shortcomings to Chloe. He has some feelings for her, but he's trying to respect her relationship with JO.

He already said that he didn't think the mission was a success, a hard enough confession for any guy, and then to have to tell her he was confused and scared of what he saw, well that's asking a lot of any guy. To admit that they are not in control is hard.

As others have posted, he's confused by what he saw and confused as to whether this guy is a good guy, one he won't have to deal with, or a bad guy, possibly a zoner that he feels he needs to deal with, but doesn't know how to and feels powerless - an unusual feeling for Clark.
I agree they showed their feelings by bein nervous/scared,she didn't want him to go and he didn't wanna tell her he was defenseless.It was hard enough as u stated for him to tell he didn't kill the creature and needed help,he was more confused than anythin.Even she got at him for not returnin her calls,cause she was worried.I think their scene showed that he would like to tell her but didn't kno how or even what to say.Remember he saw that she didn't want him to go then she jus admits again that she was worried,so to turn around and tell her of the bodyparts he saw and how he could have been one of the victims was alot.I dont blame clark as much as sum r he was confused and scared,yet so was chloe.The whole episode she showed signs that she wonder how clark was,so when she saw him she question him about what happen.What she doesn't kno is how bad the site was,or how close clark could have been to bein a victim,do we kno how she would have reacted if he told her.But I do think by him not tellin her that graphic parts is what lead her to says he needs help whether he wants it or not.She jus thinks MM helped him and its no need for clark to worry,its over what she doesn't kno is he could have died.So while their interaction may have seemed weird to most imo it was understandable.Yes it'll lead to an argument later but that because both r so worried about the other that they keep things from the other for w/e reasons.

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
It's just a nickname to make himself feel cool, lol.

No, it's not an insult to Clark. :lol: Chloe was being cute and comforting her man when she said Clark couldn't hold a candle to the "The Infuriator".
yea remember jimmy told them he use to call himself that when he was younger.And when she made the comments it was to boost his ego,remember he had jus ask her if she still wish clark was there.So she had to play him up,it wasn't to insult clark but to give jimmy hope.Cause he had jus done sumthin good tho she was still worried about clark.She saw jimmy gettin jealous so she reminded him that he had nothin to worry of.Remember when they were walkin and asked what clark can do that he can't and how she laughed it off.Well i think her comments were pretty much the same,to buildup jimmy confidence that's all.Nothin more,cause she already knows jimmy can't compete wit clark :D .

Originally posted by a silent liaison
Clark has yet to discover if MM is ''evil'' or ''good.'' Until he finds out, and until he knows for sure, not saying anything is his way of protecting Chloe.
I agree he doesn't kno much and what lil he did kno he told her,can we blame him for protectin her this way.Once he knows more I'm bettin he tells her,maybe the next time MM appears(I think epi 12).

Originally posted by JonStewart4President
Why would it matter if MM is evil or not? GA is good and Clark is refusing to tell Chloe about him too. I don't see how Clark's motivation is protection.
Because he knows Ga is connected to lois and lo/chlo r fam,she may keep clark secrets but he doesn't kno how chloe would react to fam.He respects Ga wishes to tell on his own meanin once he tells lois it'll be ok for clark to tell chloe.But wit MM he told what he knew,but even then its still diff wit what he knows about MM and Ga.He knows Ga is harmless and wont come after him/chloe,but MM he is still confused about.How did he know of the Phantom or help clark,its jus diff so I can see why clark is protectin chloe

[jimmyolsenblues]

the writersposed a question.
Clark to Lois, if you love someone can you keep secrets.
Lois, that's retarded.

Now clark and chloe are keeping secrets left and right, this is not a coincedence. tptb are pushing climmy, lexana, and clois, chlarking and even a closer friendship for chlark is not on the horizon. i appreciate even great friends fight but the coincedence of secrets is a sign to me of cold times ahead.

[BadToad]

Why would it matter if MM is evil or not? GA is good and Clark is refusing to tell Chloe about him too. I don't see how Clark's motivation is protection.

I'm not sure what the issue here is when Clark told Chloe about the shadowy figure that could do things he couldn't.

But as far as telling her about the GA, why would that be his place to tell Chloe? Ollie clearly wants to keep his identity under wraps. And obviously, Clark wants Ollie to keep his identity under wraps. So, why would Clark tell Chloe about that? If the situation was reversed and someone, lets call her Fana, told Chloe a secret that she didn't want out there, and Chloe decided to keep that from Clark, wouldn't she be doing the right thing?

But honestly, I'm OK with Clark and Chloe throwing "you shoulda told me"'s at each other, because it does add a dimension to their friendship. And its OK for them to hash that stuff out. But I'm not about to villianize either of them over it. IMO

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
the writersposed a question.
Clark to Lois, if you love someone can you keep secrets.
Lois, that's retarded.

Now clark and chloe are keeping secrets left and right, this is not a coincedence. tptb are pushing climmy, lexana, and clois, chlarking and even a closer friendship for chlark is not on the horizon. i appreciate even great friends fight but the coincedence of secrets is a sign to me of cold times ahead.
yea it is but only for a short time,I dont seem them splittin chlark up friendship wise or period.They may fight which we know from AA spoilers,but I dont see them splittin anytime soon.They'll work it out by the end of the episode or the next episode,remember clark is about to leave soon and she doesn't kno.Gettin close in clark mind may make it harder for him to leave,so maybe he has his reasons for bein so distant wit her.She jus doesn't kno that,they'll be fine friendship wise tho.I doubt tptb have them fight and go their seperate wayz now,they would have done that before she knew the secret.I think tptb r jus throwin in a fight cause they have to show that the no friendship is perfect even chlarks.Plus wit the awkwardness we heard was goin to happen this season between clark at sum point we all knew they would bump heads.Its jus that it'll be over lana secret,while I think tptb could find another reason for them to fight I think they dont plan on havin the fight to be as big as the spoiler suggest.They'll makeup quick,and then get closer

[ShelbyKent]

Oh goody. I'm not alone in my thinking that Clark's last line to Chloe was a bit odd. To explain it to myself I just figured that:

1. Maybe Clark wanted to spare Chloe the whole gross story about the spine ripping, bone eating alien.

2. Perhaps Clark was a bit depressed and scared that there are some zoners still out there who won't be affected by the crystal, so he's in deep doo-doo. But Clark doesn't tell Chloe all this because he doesn't want to worry her.

3. Maybe Clark thinks Chloe won't be able to help this time with the non-working crystal? MAybe he thinks Jor-el is his bet bet for this problem, so he freezes Chloe out.




****** *********spoilers******************





4. I guess this the way TPTB are setting up the supposed fight between Chloe and Clark. It's a lame way to go about it, but hey, it's not the first time that the writers come up with lame stuff.

I guess we'll know more in the next episodes........

[RedPhoenix23]

I just think Clark was upset that after all that detective work he put into catching Aldar, some other guy with a bad oreo habit - note the zany red eyes - swooped in and stole his glory. :lol:

Or maybe Clark is facing the fact that Aldar really came inches away from breaking his back and ripping out his spinal cord. If the escaped prisoners are that dangerous to him, just imagine how dangerous they are to Chloe.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
2. Perhaps Clark was a bit depressed and scared that there are some zoners still out there who won't be affected by the crystal, so he's in deep doo-doo. But Clark doesn't tell Chloe all this because he doesn't want to worry her.
I agree,wit all he saw I dont think he really wanted to worry her since she was already afraid for him to leave in the first place.so to tell her the crystal didn't work was hard enough,I doubt he wanted to stress her anymore

[S0n0fKrypT0n007]

Originally posted by RMF
I agree that line was odd, but this was a badly written episode. Clark is intensely preoccupied in that scene, and evidently had been for some time, because he wasn't returning Chloe's calls. When he says that MM had powers he could only dream of, the strong implication is that he is referring to flight, not invisibility or the Zoner-frying, because that was what was highlighted. I think Clark is actually yearning to fly, and that is what he doesn't want to share with Chloe. There's no sign he's told anyone other than Martha about his plan to train with Jor-el, and this desire to embrace his heritage will cause big changes in his relationships with his loved ones.
Actually, I think he was referring to how he just killed Batista like THAT. You know, how there was that smoldering handprint on his back? I mean, that's a pretty cool power if ya ask me lol. So yeah, I think THAT'S what Clark was referring to more than flying.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
It's a lame way to go about it, but hey, it's not the first time that the writers come up with lame stuff.

So true Shelby, so true...

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
I just think Clark was upset that after all that detective work he put into catching Aldar, some other guy with a bad oreo habit - note the zany red eyes - swooped in and stole his glory. :lol:

Or maybe Clark is facing the fact that Aldar really came inches away from breaking his back and ripping out his spinal cord. If the escaped prisoners are that dangerous to him, just imagine how dangerous they are to Chloe.
What I don't like is that Clark didn't only seem worried, he seemed scared to me. Superman shouldn't be scared. That's wrong. Clark turns into a whuss, IMO...

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
So true Shelby, so true...


What I don't like is that Clark didn't only seem worried, he seemed scared to me. Superman shouldn't be scared. That's wrong. Clark turns into a whuss, IMO...

Clark had plenty reasons to be scared. He was counting on the crystal to work but it didn't. So on to PLan B (going mano a mano). Obviously that didn't work either. The phantom villain was wayyy stronger than him. Clark would've been toast if it weren't for Martian Manhunter.

Clark felt vulnerable. He felt that even his powers couldn't save him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has more self doubts in future eppies.

He needs to the FOS for training really soon if he wants to avoid future a$$-whuppage........:\

[Honey45]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent

2. Perhaps Clark was a bit depressed and scared that there are some zoners still out there who won't be affected by the crystal, so he's in deep doo-doo. But Clark doesn't tell Chloe all this because he doesn't want to worry her.


I think this is correct.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
He was counting on the crystal to work but it didn't.

Oh, the sooner he learns that the better, IMO...

[Dor el]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
So true Shelby, so true...


What I don't like is that Clark didn't only seem worried, he seemed scared to me. Superman shouldn't be scared. That's wrong. Clark turns into a whuss, IMO...


Fear doesn't make you a wuss. Your reaction to that fear determines that. Even on LnC, Clark/Superman admitted a few times that he was afraid. LnC Clark still did what needed to be done despite that fear. That only made him appear more heroic, IMO. What's heroic about doing something you know you can do, knowing you won't get hurt, and knowing that things will turn out OK. It's the doing things when you don't know how they will turn out that makes you brave. JMO

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by smallville86
First of all I can only hope that Chloe was actually the MM in the end loft scene

Chloe is Martian Manhunter now.. :rolleyes:

Well, maybe.

Otherwise WTF is with Clark saying to her "there are somethings you don't need to know" It makes NO sense.

What has Clark saying this has to do with Chloe being the MM? Even if she was MM, Clark didn't know that!

Especially since this is not a secret like the one with GA's identity, this is exactly the type of stuff him and Chloe talk about. I don't believe for one sec he is doing it to protect her as some think. If he wanted to protect her he would tell her everything about the MM he saw so she could be on the look out especially since he doesn't know if he is good or bad.

I don't think it had anything to do with protecting her. Chloe after learning his secret is being nosy about everything that Clark does. I think it was a break from the usual stuff. Besides, Clark could be feeling exhausted and didn't feel like pouring out all details, may be at a later time, he might have told her himself.

1. I guess maybe he just didn't want to tell her about the Morgue scene and the bodies that had their bones ripped out? If that is the case they should have made that more clear. It seemed completely out of character.

Hello? Chloe has seen more horrific things. She hacks into morgues' computers and stuff like that on weekly basis.

2. He may be mad at her for keeping Lana secrets which seemed very obvious in the last episode where he asked Chloe what was wrong with Lana and he could tell she was lying.

Doesn't make any sense. Clark doesn't know what is going on with Lana.

This would be a better reason for his statement tonight but once again, I wish they would make this more obvious. Maybe this is what will lead to the rumored fight between him and Chloe over Lana preggers secret...

This wasn't a part of it.

I also wanted to point out all of the secrets Clark and Chloe have been keeping form eachother. Clark didn't tell her all the details of his latest adventure or about the true identity of the GA

Again, why does he have to tell her everything?

and Chloe has been keeping secrets from Clark about Lana A LOT.

Lana asked her to. If she spills the beans, she would be betraying Lana if she told Clark.

This seems like a turning point in their relationship. I can't remember when they have kept secrets from eachother since Chloe found out Clark's secrets.

It is a good thing that their relationship is changing. Clark needs to move towards his future and for becoming a hero, he needs to be independent. He needs Chloe as a friend, not a crutch, and for that, there has to be some emotions and ups and downs in their friendship.

[LoisL]

I think Chloe and Clark are growing up pretty quickly this season (or mebbe I mean "pretty offscreen") so this means some ups and downs. Chloe is not Clark's wife; and even if she were, Clark would still not only need to keep things from her from time to time but also be right in doing so.

Sometimes two people just need space; these two have been extremely close for a long time; I think space can only do them good.

Finally, one of my favorite SV quotes is from season 1 in an early episode, when Chloe asks Clark "Are you going to outgrow me too?"
"Only vertically" he grins
She begins to smile. "That Kent charm goes a long way." Something like that. Very sweet, and I'm no Chlarker. :D I think that will hold true all of their lives.

[aqgalaxy]

I do understand Clark's position in the last part of the episode. I mean, don't get me wrong, I do think what he said to Chloe was cold, no if's and or buts. She was worried about him, she even said that herself. He didn't need to be so cold...but I understand that he needs time to think.

He found a non-phantom escapee so no quick way to finish them off (the crystal), and now here is a guy who is more powerful then Clark, and no clue about who/what is he. who knows he may think he could be from the phantom Zone and how can he stop him if he can't even catch him?

He was thinking in his loft that is for sure, and he could have told chloe how unsure he is, I mean Chloe heard nothing but his issues last season so she is used to it. I mean, has Clark ever gone to chloe and asked, "How are you Chlo?" Honestly, I never heard him ask her that. I heard Chloe asked him how he was.... *shrugs*

Thats my two cents.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Dor el
Fear doesn't make you a wuss. Your reaction to that fear determines that. Even on LnC, Clark/Superman admitted a few times that he was afraid. LnC Clark still did what needed to be done despite that fear. That only made him appear more heroic, IMO. What's heroic about doing something you know you can do, knowing you won't get hurt, and knowing that things will turn out OK. It's the doing things when you don't know how they will turn out that makes you brave. JMO

All I want is that Clark accepts the challenges he encounters with a little more enthusiasm, and yes, a little more agression. I mean, He might not be all-powerful, but he still is quite strong. He should be more confident, and a little more optimistic. There is no reason to assume that the MM is super-bad news. If he were, then both Clark and Batista would be dead now. So, there is quite some reason for Clark to be excited, not whiny...

Originally posted by aqgalaxy
He was thinking in his loft that is for sure, and he could have told chloe how unsure he is, I mean Chloe heard nothing but his issues last season so she is used to it. I mean, has Clark ever gone to chloe and asked, "How are you Chlo?" Honestly, I never heard him ask her that. I heard Chloe asked him how he was.... *shrugs*
Very well said.
I am still waiting for Clark to start treating humans a little better. Especially Chloe...

[aqgalaxy]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe

I am still waiting for Clark to start treating humans a little better. Especially Chloe...

As do I, but I fear this series won't last that long for him to do that.

[Farm_Girl]

I don't see why Clark's treatment of Chloe is that much of an issue. He has his emotional ups and downs, may be he wasn't feeling like answering Chloe's questions.

He has shown a worn out or disgruntled attitude to Lana and his parents too, in the past.

Chloe is his secret keeper, but he didn't choose to tell her his secret, she just found out. Chloe is her best friend so she needs to understand he is going through a lot.

Clark never mistreats Chloe, he never mistreats anyone. Chloe is his friend, but come on she doesn't have a right to know everything that happens in Clark's life.

There was nothing wrong with Clark's behavior.

[khufu]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
Chloe is her best friend so she needs to understand he is going through a lot.Well I agree 100%. But since she wasn't there, and since she's not the Martian Manhunter and can't read minds, then how is she supposed to understand anything without communication? She had no idea what he was going through in that scene and he just got kinda snippy with her. BUT... like I said before, as soon as she could see that he was really bothered by something and needed time, she gave it to him without any complaints.

[Farm_Girl]

^^But she did complain. "I am your best friend and your secret keeper"

He knows that already doesn't he?

Most of the times, Clark is the one who is running to DP to tell Chloe things that he discovered. If this time, Clark wanted to be alone and did not want to invite Chloe to discuss things, why is it such bad thing?

[Editted for #10]

I am sure in the next episodes, Clark will open up to Chloe and tell her what happened. But in Static, he wasn't feeling like telling her.

[LoisL]

You have a good point, Farm Girl.

I honestly don't see Clark being "snippy" at the end. He wanted to be alone. Happens alot to young guys who haven't quite grown up; even to older people.
The only issue is that Chloe took issue with it. I find it interesting that both in the beginning of the episode, when Clark left the mystery of Lex for the horror in Seattle, Chloe persisted in pursuing the issue. And then she does the same thing in the end, after Clark shows that he's not ready to talk, she keeps trying to get him to open up.
Mebbe she's (gasp!) beginning to take HIM for granted (for managing, that is).

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
[editted]

Not at all. I personally want Clark to grow up. He's not a teenager anymore yet he prefers to act like one. As you have correctly stated, he behaves poorly towardws everyone, not just Chloe. And that annoys me. Maybe Chloe is the only one who still bothers complaining while the others have given up. Lana certainly has... Or maybe he just spends so much time with Chloe that his poor behavior becomes more obvious towards her. Anyways, I don't really care. When interacting with humans, even our favorite BDA should at least try to behave like a guy one likes talking to...

Originally posted by LoisL
Mebbe she's (gasp!) beginning to take HIM for granted (for managing, that is).
Interesting...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
^^But she did complain. "I am your best friend and your secret keeper"

He knows that already doesn't he?

Most of the times, Clark is the one who is running to DP to tell Chloe things that he discovered. If this time, Clark wanted to be alone and did not want to invite Chloe to discuss things, why is it such bad thing?

Again, it is like in a Superman show, the focus is always on Chloe, and when it is not, fans complain that Clark was being unfair to Chloe, which is not the case.

I am sure in the next episodes, Clark will open up to Chloe and tell her what happened. But in Static, he wasn't feeling like telling her.
But see that's the thing she made that statement after he said the mission wasn't a success.He said not really and she said ok,"I'm ur best friend/secret keeper"...She didn't complain she jus wanted him to be more clearer.So she asked and he told her about MM havin powers he only dreamed of.That's when she asked what was bother him,she didn't complain cause he wouldn't tell her,she saw he was really bothered and tried to cheer him up by tellin him he's lucky to have help out there.She left him to think but knows he has alot goin on and will tell her later.Her comments about bein his secret keeper wasn't her complain jus her wantin him to be more clear wit her.Cause all he said was not really when she asked if the mission/crystal was a success.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Well I'm a Chloiser so a Chlarker by default and I didn't sse Clark acting so bad with Chloe.
I mean even my best friends had times in wich they don't feel like talking about an issue and is completely normal to let the issue sink before discussing it.
I don't think that Chloe pushed to hard either she was concerned and I'm sure that even if she is accostumed to mopiying Clark, scare Clark is not something she usually sees so that is why she wanted to know what happened so shwe could help him I mean Chloe is Clark's main support and is hard for her seeing him in situation in wich she might not be able to help him
So I saw the scene like a misunderstanding and Clark did say he was sorry so is just one of those friends situation that I'm sure we all hae been goen trought.
I have seen Clark doing more stupid hurtful things to Chloe in the past and he has improved the only thing that still bothers me is that this season he is way to protective to her and we know Chloe won't like that...But the spoilers says that is all a setting for a great payoff in the end so let's be patients :D

[Dor el]

I agree. I don't think Clark was being mean to Chloe, and I think she was trying to reassure him that he still has someone to be there for him when he needs that unconditional support that Chloe has become to Clark. Yes, he has been pretty protective of her this season. Overly cautious? Maybe. Is he seeing her through different eyes this season? I think so. That was a pretty yummy kiss for him and although Chloe let him "off the hook," I am not convinced that he actually wanted to be let off the proverbial hook. What Clark may not realize is that Chloe could be suffocated by such protection. He has been used to having to be protective of Lana, that it may be difficult for him to realize or even accept that Chloe does not need the degree of protection as did and does Lana.

Plus, Clark appears to have a big confidence issue concerning whether this "savior" intends help or harm in the long run. If the red eyed guy decides to turn killer freak on Clark, Clark knows that he probably will be unable to stop him. I think it's reasonable for Clark to have serious concerns right about now.

Clark knows that his entourage of trustworthy confidants is extremely limited. So limited, I think, that he would not want to take any chances of losing her.

Oh, I hope that Chloe is not taking Clark for granted. Could be, though.

[margroks]

I think he was a little dazed after his encounter and worried about who this mystery man is. Of course, I woudl say, the guy eats Oreos so he's alright but still. Clark wanted to spare Chloe the gursome details and he felt bad for not being able to stop the zoners himself although that was a scene that should have been fleshed out with a big fight and details given to show us why Clark thought he couldn't defeat this guy and that he would have dies without the MM's intervention.

I mean, think about it. The zoner tossed Clark away and Clark came back apparently uninjured, right? (And flew, I swear!) On what grounds did Clark decide he was about to be killed? There was no evidence that Clark's aura was failing him, merely that this enemy was very strong. And why, why, why, didn't Clark use his heat vision or superbreath? Hmmm? Clark was not defenseless yet he acted like it was a done deal that he was gretting his butt handed to him by the zoner.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by margroks
I mean, think about it. The zoner tossed Clark away and Clark came back apparently uninjured, right? (And flew, I swear!) On what grounds did Clark decide he was about to be killed? There was no evidence that Clark's aura was failing him, merely that this enemy was very strong. And why, why, why, didn't Clark use his heat vision or superbreath? Hmmm? Clark was not defenseless yet he acted like it was a done deal that he was gretting his butt handed to him by the zoner.
Wow, I have said the exact same thing before, in another thread maybe...
Clark should lighten up. Things are not as bad as he always thinks. He's superman, dammit. Time for him to realize that...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Well I'm a Chloiser so a Chlarker by default and I didn't sse Clark acting so bad with Chloe.
I mean even my best friends had times in wich they don't feel like talking about an issue and is completely normal to let the issue sink before discussing it.
I don't think that Chloe pushed to hard either she was concerned and I'm sure that even if she is accostumed to mopiying Clark, scare Clark is not something she usually sees so that is why she wanted to know what happened so shwe could help him I mean Chloe is Clark's main support and is hard for her seeing him in situation in wich she might not be able to help him
So I saw the scene like a misunderstanding and Clark did say he was sorry so is just one of those friends situation that I'm sure we all hae been goen trought.
I have seen Clark doing more stupid hurtful things to Chloe in the past and he has improved the only thing that still bothers me is that this season he is way to protective to her and we know Chloe won't like that...But the spoilers says that is all a setting for a great payoff in the end so let's be patients :D
I agree I think misunderstandin was the best word to use,she is use to mopey clark but not scared clark.And she knew he was scared/confused and she even admitted herself she was worried so she tried to get him to open up.But she didn't force it as sum think,and he wasn't bein as mean as sum think.This was new territory for them cause clark has never faced anyone he couldn't defeat/needed help wit stoppin.And chloe understood that's why she tried to give him alil encouragement then she left him to think.They were alil out of sync yes but they still know each other well enough to back off and she did jus that.Both were worried jus for diff reasons,so I agree it was jus a misunderstandin.But from spoilers it jus may payoff later on as u stated :D

Originally posted by Dor el
I agree. I don't think Clark was being mean to Chloe, and I think she was trying to reassure him that he still has someone to be there for him when he needs that unconditional support that Chloe has become to Clark. Yes, he has been pretty protective of her this season. Overly cautious? Maybe. Is he seeing her through different eyes this season? I think so. That was a pretty yummy kiss for him and although Chloe let him "off the hook," I am not convinced that he actually wanted to be let off the proverbial hook. What Clark may not realize is that Chloe could be suffocated by such protection. He has been used to having to be protective of Lana, that it may be difficult for him to realize or even accept that Chloe does not need the degree of protection as did and does Lana.

Plus, Clark appears to have a big confidence issue concerning whether this "savior" intends help or harm in the long run. If the red eyed guy decides to turn killer freak on Clark, Clark knows that he probably will be unable to stop him. I think it's reasonable for Clark to have serious concerns right about now.

Clark knows that his entourage of trustworthy confidants is extremely limited. So limited, I think, that he would not want to take any chances of losing her.
I agree here 2

Originally posted by margroks
I think he was a little dazed after his encounter and worried about who this mystery man is. Of course, I woudl say, the guy eats Oreos so he's alright but still. Clark wanted to spare Chloe the gursome details and he felt bad for not being able to stop the zoners himself although that was a scene that should have been fleshed out with a big fight and details given to show us why Clark thought he couldn't defeat this guy and that he would have dies without the MM's intervention.

I mean, think about it. The zoner tossed Clark away and Clark came back apparently uninjured, right? (And flew, I swear!) On what grounds did Clark decide he was about to be killed? There was no evidence that Clark's aura was failing him, merely that this enemy was very strong. And why, why, why, didn't Clark use his heat vision or superbreath? Hmmm? Clark was not defenseless yet he acted like it was a done deal that he was gretting his butt handed to him by the zoner.
U kno maybe that's why sum think the chlark scene at the end was alil weird cause we didn't get to see the fight explored.Ur right all we saw was this guy throw clark and clark hop down as if he was unhurt.Yet we r to believe clark would have been the next victim if MM didn't help,so ur right if tptb would have shown more of the fight then had the chlark scene it would make more sense to ppl.Clark wasn't that defenseless yet in the loft he seemed as if he was lucky to be alive.So it makes the scene questionable to us cause we didn't see any fight,but if they had explore a better fight scene then chlark scene at the end would make more sense.So good observation,cause I agree the scene could have been setup much better.That's why I was disappointed they wasted batista for what 1 lil throw of clark,those 2 had potential for a good fight and it would have been believable for him to be more dangerous to clark.But we didn't get to see that unfortunately smh

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
IThat's why I was disappointed they wasted batista for what 1 lil throw of clark,those 2 had potential for a good fight and it would have been believable for him to be more dangerous to clark.But we didn't get to see that unfortunately smh
Batista was a complete waste in that epi, IMO...

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Batista was a complete waste in that epi, IMO...

I was disappointed as well and I'm not even a wrestling fan! The real wrestling fans must feel so betrayed. Maybe their fight scenes would be included in the DVD extras....

[vikingjedi]

The way I look at it Clark didn't tell Chloe because he thinks there's a strong possibility MM is a good guy, especially after he saved Clark's life.

So Clark is protecting MM by keeping what he knows to himself. Just like he did for the other members of the JLA.

It's not Clark's place to tell anybody about their abilities. Its the same as Chloe not telling anybody about Clark's abilities.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by vikingjedi
The way I look at it Clark didn't tell Chloe because he thinks there's a strong possibility MM is a good guy, especially after he saved Clark's life.

So Clark is protecting MM by keeping what he knows to himself. Just like he did for the other members of the JLA.

It's not Clark's place to tell anybody about their abilities. Its the same as Chloe not telling anybody about Clark's abilities.

Hmmmm, very interesting.
That would make the MM situation similar to Clark keeping GA/Ollie's secret? I have to say I don't really believe that's the case. Clark seemed too worried for that. I really think he's confused and maybe even shocked that there is someone with abilities that 'he can only dream of'. Well, there is an entire thread on this stupid statement, so I'm not gonna comment on it much. Just that much: Has it ever occurred to Clark that he might actually be able to do these things, if he only tried? Has he TRIED flying yet? I mean, it's like with superbreath, Chloe had to TELL him to do it. Why didn't he simply try? Clark seems strangely inhibited these days. He seems to want to progress, but somehow he doesn't get going...

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by InLove_with_Chloe
Hmmmm, very interesting.
That would make the MM situation similar to Clark keeping GA/Ollie's secret? I have to say I don't really believe that's the case. Clark seemed too worried for that. I really think he's confused and maybe even shocked that there is someone with abilities that 'he can only dream of'. Well, there is an entire thread on this stupid statement, so I'm not gonna comment on it much. Just that much: Has it ever occurred to Clark that he might actually be able to do these things, if he only tried? Has he TRIED flying yet? I mean, it's like with superbreath, Chloe had to TELL him to do it. Why didn't he simply try? Clark seems strangely inhibited these days. He seems to want to progress, but somehow he doesn't get going...
I agree it think it was more of him bein shocked/scared cause there was sumone out there wit powers he dreamed of.And if MM is a villan how will clark stop him,so imo he was more shocked/scared than anythin.And after seein the oreo in the loft right after chloe leaves he may really worry now cause if MM was there he knows how close chlark r now.So clark has reasons to worry

[ClarksGal]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
Clark had plenty reasons to be scared. He was counting on the crystal to work but it didn't. So on to PLan B (going mano a mano). Obviously that didn't work either. The phantom villain was wayyy stronger than him. Clark would've been toast if it weren't for Martian Manhunter.

Clark felt vulnerable. He felt that even his powers couldn't save him. I wouldn't be surprised if he has more self doubts in future eppies.

He needs to the FOS for training really soon if he wants to avoid future a$$-whuppage........:\

Maybe Clark will take this opportunity to go to the FOS. Can't he just train on the stuff that is pertinent to cleaning up the Zoner mess, and then go back to the FOS for the rest? Then we can hear all about the background of JorEl and Zod and the destruction of Krypton, and the Phantom Zone and all that. I think the final zoners are Namek and Aethyr. Could they attempt to release Zod again? Would they try for world domination on their own? Wouldn't Clark benefit from some help from Jor El?

[ms.c.]

I'm sure he'll visit the FOS again soon.

[LoisL]

no, there was something fishy between Clark & Lori. or are we beginning a chlori theory?

[logan00xmn]

I have to agree with the majority on this I feel clark is trying to protect her in this matter.As for G.A. he is honor bound to keep it between them.

[JNottle]

Clark didn't have to keep the Oliver thing a secret, maybe he was worried because he saw how happy Lois was, and knew Chloe would get worried if she found out Green Arrow is Oliver and then maybe Chloe won't want them to be in a relationship, just a hunch.

Either Clark was trying to protect her about MM or felt she was being distant in their relationship from the episode before and decided to not tell her everything because TRUST is a two way street.