Already Lois?

[Polomontana]

Is Lois Lane that easy in the comic books?

[shirkie]

Well *this* Lois has always seemed kind of... forward... to me...
shirkie

[MidgardDragon]

Doesn't seem too easy to me, she's been dating him for a bit. Not like she jumped in the sack on their first date.

[cotton candy girl]

She's the only one on Smallville that way. :rolleyes:

[kismet]

she's aggressive...

[Polomontana]

I told you under the welcome to Smallville sign it says if your looking for a good time look up Lois Lane.

[D.M.A.]

yea she is aggressive but I dont think easy,she was about to sleep her bf who she been datin awhile.Nothin wrong wit that,But I agree wit kismet that she is aggressive but I dont think easy

[kismet]

no not easy... aggressive. and she's been with ollie for a while now anyway.

[RobynAdele0406]

I wouldn't say that she's easy. I just really don't have an interest in GreenArrowVille. Let's open tonight's episode with Lois arching her back to Ollie and the two making out like maniacs. Fun stuff, lemme tell you.

[SteveS]

People have plowed that field before.

Easy? Of course lois is easy, she has been in 'luv' with Ollie since for how long? Okay, not luv but seeing each other for a few weeks.

lois was huffin' and a puffin' and Ollie didn't have to do anything, she just goes and shucks her duds after a few kisses. And Clark is supposed to need this sleaze?

I don't think so, another negative trait for Smallville's version of lois. This episode was better than I could have hoped. Ugh, she still doesn't have any class not to mention her general clueless -ness.

soulmate? bull@@@@!

[LusciousLois]

Oh, puh-lease. Oliie is HOT! Any woman with sense would get down on that as quickly as possible!

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Polomontana
I told you under the welcome to Smallville sign it says if your looking for a good time look up Lois Lane.

If I remember correctly it was Chloe and not Lois who had a one night stand with a guy she only new for some weeks and who she never dated.

Lois has been dating at least a month with Ollie, and unless judged by some religious standards I would consider a couple sleeping together after a month´s (maybe more) relationship and both are concenting ADULTS is socially acceptable.

Now, having a one night stand with a summer journallism camp buddy when your 15 (not an adult yet) wouldnt be that socially acceptable.

I personally dont consider either Chloe of Lois easy, but thats just me.

But I guess double standard is the name of the game.

[eas]

No, she's not easy. This was the natural next step in the relationship. Did I enjoy watching it? No. But it doesn't make Lois easy.

[98chase]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
If I remember correctly it was Chloe and not Lois who had a one night stand with a guy she only new for some weeks and who she never dated.

Lois has been dating at least a month with Ollie, and unless judged by some religious standards I would consider a couple sleeping together after a month´s (maybe more) relationship and both are concenting ADULTS is socially acceptable.

Now, having a one night stand with a summer journallism camp buddy when your 15 (not an adult yet) wouldnt be that socially acceptable.

I personally dont consider either Chloe of Lois easy, but thats just me.

But I guess double standard is the name of the game.
Quoting just incase anyone missed it.

[Ares]

Exactly.. They're both adults

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by SteveS
People have plowed that field before.

Easy? Of course lois is easy, she has been in 'luv' with Ollie since for how long? Okay, not luv but seeing each other for a few weeks.

lois was huffin' and a puffin' and Ollie didn't have to do anything, she just goes and shucks her duds after a few kisses. And Clark is supposed to need this sleaze?

I don't think so, another negative trait for Smallville's version of lois. This episode was better than I could have hoped. Ugh, she still doesn't have any class not to mention her general clueless -ness.

soulmate? bull@@@@!

It took you 10 post to bash Lois, Steve your getting sloppy :D

[SteveS]

Again, one more example of the character of Lois Lane sleazed down in the version of lois on Smallville.

Actually, ClarkMan's 'future wife' (I think not) and 'soulmate4evah' has a lot of skill at removing her clothes rapidly for her one-month luv. She has had either a lot of hands-on practice or maybe she practices the skill when flopping in ClarkMan's bedroom.

lois- still is the worst representation of Lois Lane ever on screen, but glad she has your blessing.

"It took you 10 post to bash Lois, Steve your getting sloppy
"

Thanks with a character such as lois it is as easy as she is ethically and morally to kick her butt. Which matter of speaking, I really did like GA kicking her ass. Naughty girl.

[Polomontana]

Lois is a little loose in the caboose!!

[Kal-ed]

Look its ok to hate Lois, we are all intitle to our opinion, but lets not bend facts or recur to double standards.

Chloe took less and was younger to sleep with JO, and she settled for a one night stand.

Lois as far as we know, even after this epi, hasnt slept with anyone in 2 years. We know she is not a virgin but either is any girl in the show.

So I suggest we keep our opinions but stated them as such not trying to justify them with twisted or false facts, YOU (general you) are intitle to an opinion, YOU dont have to justify it.

[aft06]

Already Lois? As in already after dating a guy for over a few months? You do realize the timeline between episodes isn't ONE day...

Just checkin'

Easy would describe my ex who hooked up with a dude after 20 minutes. That's FAST.

Dating somebody one on one like she is with Ollie and having sex after a few months isn't really that quick.

In fact Lois has probably taken longer than most chicks of her age would. I would know I did just finish four years of college.

[biaaly]

People just always have to start a negative Lois thread, huh! I don't see how someone who hasn't slept with anyone in 2 years is easy. But of course its Lois so certain people have to say something bad about her around here.

[eas]

Yeah, I would agree -- she's taken it a lot slower than most people her age do now-a-days.

If we're calling Lois easy, btw, then so are Chloe & Lana. Just so everyone knows that there can't be any double standards. Oh -- Lex, Jimmy and Oliver are also all easy. Can't let the guys get away scot-free, now can we? ;)

[Kal-ed]

Clark is our only holsome character he needs to love and be loved completely to have sex. NOt even red k made him sleep around. The car sales woman he took to Atlantis, BOY OH BOY *drools like and idiot* I wouldn have let her scape.

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
If I remember correctly it was Chloe and not Lois who had a one night stand with a guy she only new for some weeks and who she never dated.

Lois has been dating at least a month with Ollie, and unless judged by some religious standards I would consider a couple sleeping together after a month´s (maybe more) relationship and both are concenting ADULTS is socially acceptable.

Now, having a one night stand with a summer journallism camp buddy when your 15 (not an adult yet) wouldnt be that socially acceptable.

I personally dont consider either Chloe of Lois easy, but thats just me.

But I guess double standard is the name of the game.

Lois intimates several times that she's had a racier past in S4 and 5. In fact she intimates multiple partners...several times.

Edit: She wasn't 15 either. She was 17.

[eas]

When does she make it seem like she's had multiple partners that she's had sex with? I don't remember this??

[BadToad]

I don't think her wanting to have sex is a problem. But that scene was really poorly done, IMO. And it was awkward. It was supposed to be passionate and sexy, but I just don't think it ended up being very successful.

[SteveS]

"
Chloe took less and was younger to sleep with JO, and she settled for a one night stand."

And your proof it what to back up your timetable?

"having sex after a few months"

And your proof that is has been 'a few months' is what?

"then CHloe is even more easy than Lois"

And your proof is? Actually, you are just wrong again as you said you are 'entitle' to an opinion but you have to back it up. If it is true that Jimmy was 'the guy' that Chloe hooked up with a couple of years ago, then it is also true that she and Jimmy have a relationship that has spanned a few years. lois' relationship with this particular guy has spanned a few short weeks.

[eas]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Clark is our only holsome character he needs to love and be loved completely to have sex. NOt even red k made him sleep around. The car sales woman he took to Atlantis, BOY OH BOY *drools like and idiot* I wouldn have let her scape.

Clark's only been wholesome this season. If we count past seasons, Clark's not exactly a boy-scout. :lol:

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Lois intimates several times that she's had a racier past in S4 and 5. In fact she intimates multiple partners...several times.

Edit: She wasn't 15 either. She was 17.

THis is a joke isnt it???? she dated the crazy guy, (one forced date) that killed alicia, she dated Graham (one date) the hitman from fade and AC, she didnt sleep with any of them.


Ok Ok, sorry she was 17, that makes it all that much better, and like I said I dont think CHloe is easy either but under the asumption that Lois is easy for sleeping with her boyfriend then CHloe is even more easy than Lois

Originally posted by SteveS
"
Chloe took less and was younger to sleep with JO, and she settled for a one night stand."

And your proof it what to back up your timetable?

"having sex after a few months"

And your proof that is has been 'a few months' is what?

She slept with Jimmy ofscreen between season 1 and 2. SHe tells this to Lana in season 4

[Damali]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28

Edit: She wasn't 15 either. She was 17.

Chloe was 15, when she and Jimmy hooked up the first time. In Season 4, after Chloe's 18th birthday she tells Lana that she had sex back when she was intern at the DP. The only time Chloe was an intern at the DP prior to Season 4 was at the end of Season 1, which would put her age at roughly 15. </rant>:p

[SteveS]

And this is season 6; subtract 1.5 from six and the result is a relationship that spans much more than the 'few months' you are trying to give lois; which as we know has only been a very few weeks.

If you are 'entitle' to an opinion, back it up accurately or just say it is my opinion that lois has been with Oliver much longer than a few weeks.

[aft06]

Dude one of my ex girlfriend banged a dude two days after breaking up with me for not wanting to be in a relationship and she knew him for 20 minutes.

Now SHES a whore. Leave Lois alone already.

[98chase]

SHE DID NOT SLEEP WITH THE GUY. YOU CAN'T BE 'EASY' IF YOU HAVEN'T SLEPT WITH SAID PERSON. Even if she had slept with Olliver, they have been together for a minimum of a month. If you don't believe it, go back an rewatch the episodes. What was it, one or two episodes ago they said it had been 6 weeks since "Black Thursday" which occured at Spring/Summer time correct? Well, this episode was Thanksgiving, many many months after the start of summer. Back to Lois, even if she did make a mistake or two in her past that could have deemed her "easy" back then, it does not apply now. Everyone makes mistakes. Fact of the matter is, in the past 2+ years she's been less sexually active than ANYONE else on the show.

[eas]

Yeah, there's really no point in even debating this.

C'mon... this is the same episode where we find out that Lana is pregnant and all people can do is say that Lois is easy?

Um... yeah... this is another Lois-bashing thread. People need to re-watch the episode. Oh, and while they're at it, they need to take a look around and notice what reality is. People who sleep with their boyfriends of a few months are not considered whores in the US.

And if you happen to have high moral standards and think that Lois is easy? Then you need to agree that so are Chloe & Lana. None of the female characters on the show are pristine virgins.

[aft06]

Edited out

[ShelbyKent]

Originally posted by SteveS
"Chloe hooked up with a couple of years ago, then it is also true that she and Jimmy have a relationship that has spanned a few years.

How did the Chimmy relationship "span" a couple of years, when Jimmy never called back (and he was expecting that Chloe would be pissed about it, too when they saw each other again at the DP during Dark Thursday). Yes, they have known about each other for some years now, but it was implied that there was no active communication during that span. We could speculate what happened in offscreenville, but it would just be speculation. Just wanting to clarify............

None of the ladies (or the guys for that matter) in SV are exactly vestal virgins. But that doesn't make any of them easy. 3 of SV's current couples have been shown being intimate this season, which is not surprising because they are in exclusive relationships. It's not like they are doing orgies or hooking up with other random people. Peace yo ;)

[angelfire east]

Kal-edI have to say I agree with everythign you've said in this thread. Lois isn't easy, nor do I think Chloe is easy but the standreds people here are saying she easy, so would Chloe and Lana. Your right the only one who isn't "easy" by those standreds is Clark

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by aft06
Edited out
^:lol:


lois is not a slut plain and simple. none of the girls on smallville are and i for one am gettin pretty freakin tired of so and so is a slut because she slept with her boyfriend. WTF is wrong with sleeping with your boyfriend when you are in a loving adult relationship. we all know lois isn't a blushing virgin or w/e neither is chloe and neither is lana or hell even martha every single one of those WOMAN has had sex. that does not make them sluts.

if you wanna to talk about sluttin it up then lex is the only person on SV who fits the description. i know it's pretty much usless to argue sorry "debate" this topic but i just have to express my opinion about the abhorint double standard that's floating around on these boards and not just these boards but others as well.

[biaaly]

It's just another way to bash Lois which is pathetic. You can't have an episode with Lois without someone saying something... Hell, you can't even have a non-Lois episode without someone posting a negative thread about her.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by SteveS
And your proof is? Actually, you are just wrong again as you said you are 'entitle' to an opinion but you have to back it up. If it is true that Jimmy was 'the guy' that Chloe hooked up with a couple of years ago, then it is also true that she and Jimmy have a relationship that has spanned a few years. lois' relationship with this particular guy has spanned a few short weeks.

Chloe's relationship with Jimmy didn't span a few years. She met him during the summer working as an intern, they had sex, then he never called back and they didn't meet again until recently. Doesn't exactly seem like their relationship was any deeper or long lasting than Lois and Oliver's is.

Not that it really matters. I'm certainly not going to bash either Lois or Chloe for having sex. If Lois was a guy then you wouldn't be bashing her for wanting to have sex with her significant other, you know you wouldn't. Typical sexist double standard working here. I've seen the word "slut" and "easy" used for both Lois & Lana recently because they were going to sleep with their boyfriends, but it's funny that nobody uses nasty words like that for any of the male characters. Oliver certainly looked like he was ready and willing, are you going to call him "easy" too and despise him for it?

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by MBCorp
... but it's funny that nobody uses nasty words like that for any of the male characters. Oliver certainly looked like he was ready and willing, are you going to call him "easy" too?

short answer: no

long answer: no

as long as there is a double standard in the world today, any woman who is even slightly sexual is going to be called a slut.:rolleyes:

[BadToad]

It's just another way to bash Lois which is pathetic. You can't have an episode with Lois without someone saying something...

Ya know, not for nothing, but a lot of the same people that complain about bashing Lois have no problem calling Clark dumb, or an idiot, or a BDA. And he gets that after every single episode. So really, if poor Lois is too wonderful to be maligned (as EVERY character is around here), then that would extend to Clark as well, yes?

Just wondering.

[Mysticlies]

Mod note: please refrain from getting offtopic. :)

[WhiteMage]

I love how when someone brings up the male-female-slut double-standard, that everyone who calls Lois (or Lana or Chloe for that matter) a whore has NO answer for that.

Is it because you know you're wrong, but you're so desperate to bash Lois that you take such a biased and unfair approach? Yeah, you know who you are... :rolleyes:

[ginnyfan]

I don't think SV Lois is easy. She's been such a lady thus far. I guess she was starting to think Oliver might be the one. Much of the Lois/Oliver courtship goes between episodes so...

That must have been one hot date. :)

[Polomontana]

They have turned Lois Lane into Smallvilles version of Mae West!!

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Polomontana
They have turned Lois Lane into Smallvilles version of Mae West!!

What's wrong with Mae West?

[s_q]

i dont know if neone else noticed, but when oillie hugged lois at the door towards the end, didnt lois feel uncomfortable?

And Clark looked at Lois when he said what were "thankful for in life". That was cool.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

...and when exactly happened the transition from senator chief-of-staff to tabloid journalist?!? That what she says is her job...

[Rhoda123]

Originally posted by Polomontana
I told you under the welcome to Smallville sign it says if your looking for a good time look up Lois Lane.



HAHAHAHA, I love it.. hee hee..

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

Silly people.

Since Lois has been in Smallville she hasn't played "hide the salami" with ANYONE.
She's been dating the O-man for over a month.
And only NOW has she descided that it would be a good time to see if they are physically compatible.

Damn you puritans !

[Damali]

Originally posted by MBCorp
What's wrong with Mae West?


Nothing, IMO. That woman was hot stuff back in her time and was very smart and witty.

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by Damali
Chloe was 15, when she and Jimmy hooked up the first time. In Season 4, after Chloe's 18th birthday she tells Lana that she had sex back when she was intern at the DP. The only time Chloe was an intern at the DP prior to Season 4 was at the end of Season 1, which would put her age at roughly 15. </rant>:p

I stand corrected as to when I thought I was but I think you are wrong also. I went back and checked the box sets and the internship happened between S2 and 3 not 1 and 2. 1 ended with the spring formal and picked right back up after the tornado in 2.

2 ended with Clark in Metropolis on Red K and that's when Chloe found Clark which she quotes to Lana "While I was interning" in the second or third epi of S3.

So that makes her 16.

THis is a joke isnt it???? she dated the crazy guy, (one forced date) that killed alicia, she dated Graham (one date) the hitman from fade and AC, she didnt sleep with any of them.

I'm too lazy to scan back through DVD's and quote but Lois does, in fact, intimate several times that she has sexual experience.

As for proof on whether she actually did or didn't sleep with someone watch Spell when Lana (as the witch) needs the hair of a virgin.

She pulls one from Lois and Lois fails.

[Nightingale20]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Chloe's relationship with Jimmy didn't span a few years. She met him during the summer working as an intern, they had sex, then he never called back and they didn't meet again until recently. Doesn't exactly seem like their relationship was any deeper or long lasting than Lois and Oliver's is.

Not that it really matters. I'm certainly not going to bash either Lois or Chloe for having sex. If Lois was a guy then you wouldn't be bashing her for wanting to have sex with her significant other, you know you wouldn't. Typical sexist double standard working here. I've seen the word "slut" and "easy" used for both Lois & Lana recently because they were going to sleep with their boyfriends, but it's funny that nobody uses nasty words like that for any of the male characters. Oliver certainly looked like he was ready and willing, are you going to call him "easy" too and despise him for it?

Word.

[margroks]

Well, she actually offered it up to Ollie after their date at the ball. But Ollie refused to show her he had done what she'd requested in order to qualify. Frankly, it was just more T&A and using Nois as a sex object anyway.

[Polomontana]

Exactly, if Ollie would have hit the can than Lois "Mae West " Lane would have been in nothing but a shirt sooner.

[eas]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
I'm too lazy to scan back through DVD's and quote but Lois does, in fact, intimate several times that she has sexual experience.

As for proof on whether she actually did or didn't sleep with someone watch Spell when Lana (as the witch) needs the hair of a virgin.

She pulls one from Lois and Lois fails.


All that proves is that she slept with one man. That's it.

And I've watched the Lois eps several times & she never makes it seem like she has lots of sexual experience. Ever. She says that she's dated people and that her dad was over-protective & that she grew up on military bases. That's it. You can't cop-out with the "lazy" thing after making a statement like that. You need to give examples.

So she could be less sexually experienced than Lana (who has slept with two men).

And Clark has slept with Lana (before ending up married to Lois in the future). Why didn't we call him easy back in season 5?

Originally posted by MBCorp
Chloe's relationship with Jimmy didn't span a few years. She met him during the summer working as an intern, they had sex, then he never called back and they didn't meet again until recently. Doesn't exactly seem like their relationship was any deeper or long lasting than Lois and Oliver's is.

Not that it really matters. I'm certainly not going to bash either Lois or Chloe for having sex. If Lois was a guy then you wouldn't be bashing her for wanting to have sex with her significant other, you know you wouldn't. Typical sexist double standard working here. I've seen the word "slut" and "easy" used for both Lois & Lana recently because they were going to sleep with their boyfriends, but it's funny that nobody uses nasty words like that for any of the male characters. Oliver certainly looked like he was ready and willing, are you going to call him "easy" too and despise him for it?

Word. Well put.

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by eas
All that proves is that she slept with one man. That's it.

And I've watched the Lois eps several times & she never makes it seem like she has lots of sexual experience. Ever. She says that she's dated people and that her dad was over-protective & that she grew up on military bases. That's it. You can't cop-out with the "lazy" thing after making a statement like that. You need to give examples.

So she could be less sexually experienced than Lana (who has slept with two men).

And Clark has slept with Lana (before ending up married to Lois in the future). Why didn't we call him easy back in season 5?



Word. Well put.

No where in either of my posts did I bash her character for having sex. It's 2006 after all :)

Someone said Chloe's had more and I was pointing out that wasn't true. That is all.

As for the rest guess that's my perception. Like I said I took as hints she never comes out and says it but in several of her talks with other characters throught S4 and S5 she puts herself in mommy mode and talks about her past bad relationships. Plus two guys she had to get restraining orders on (her words in the epi that she lectures Clark for being in Lana's room).

[Mbeer769]

Ah, how I loved reading all of these posts... ... ...

So Lois is easy because she wanted to sleep with her boyfriend of atleast a month? I've known girls to take much less time, and need I remind people of the 3rd date rule?

And so she had sex before? That makes her easy? She's 2 years older than the rest of em(cept Lex) putting her in her 20's. It never tells us when she had sex, the information behind said sex, who it was with, how long they were together, etc.

So stop bashing Lois, for stuff you have no information about. Cuz all it does is make you seem desperate to bash someone, but you could never do it to your precious Chloe or Lana, cuz they're "perfect."

[Tae]

they've been dating for probably a few months now, in SV universe, and obviously haven't even slept together yet.

and lois has always been agressive with everything she does in life, she isn't shy.

and ollie is HOT, any other woman would have taken him up to her apartment at the end of Whither.

so, no, lois is not easy. and no, the lois in the comic books was not easy. but thanks for opening a thread that shows just how much closer EDlois is to becoming THE lois.

[Timester]

I'll say this again, Gangbuster. ;)

[cloisinmyheart]

maybe its the rush of having her first real boyfriend, so lois is aggressive and agreeing to do things

this does definitely contrast with all the other females in smallville..

[LuckyKrypto]

I guess I missed something.....
I don't understand the problem with Lois 'wanting' to have sex? How does that make her 'easy'? Is there some perfect time that a girl is suppose to want to have sex?:rolleyes:

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by Mbeer769
Ah, how I loved reading all of these posts... ... ...

So Lois is easy because she wanted to sleep with her boyfriend of atleast a month? I've known girls to take much less time, and need I remind people of the 3rd date rule?

And so she had sex before? That makes her easy? She's 2 years older than the rest of em(cept Lex) putting her in her 20's. It never tells us when she had sex, the information behind said sex, who it was with, how long they were together, etc.

So stop bashing Lois, for stuff you have no information about. Cuz all it does is make you seem desperate to bash someone, but you could never do it to your precious Chloe or Lana, cuz they're "perfect."

Asking people to be objective and then wrapping up with a non-objective line is silly stuff.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Well I do hate Temp Lois with the fire of a thousand suns but I bash her in real groud and this is not it.
Ollie and her are formally dating none of them is married or engaged if she fell comfortable enough to be with him is her body and her call, is diferent for every person some people can take a week for doing it while other people needs to wait for marriage to be comfortable enough and every human being has the right to become sexually involved with someone at his own pace as long it doens't hurt anyone and protect themselves and the other person involved.

Now if you want to bash Temp Lois bash her for telling Clark that she unlike him doens't abandon people while they are in danger (yeah right because she let you drown or get sold in slavery or let Chloe be send to Belle Reeve like you would had) or bash her because when Clark told her that he will track down Ollie she dismissed him and called Chloe instead ( she didn't remember that he tracked down Duncan) There is plenty of stuff to bash Temp Lois no need to be unfair to her :D

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I guess I missed something.....
I don't understand the problem with Lois 'wanting' to have sex? How does that make her 'easy'? Is there some perfect time that a girl is suppose to want to have sex?:rolleyes:

Part of peoples reaction probably stems from the framework in which it's presented. If this were The O.C. or nip-tuck this thread probably wouldn't exist.

Since it's a Superman story and in most Superman lore Lois and Clark wait for each other seeing either one have sex with other people starts the lips flapping.

so, no, lois is not easy. and no, the lois in the comic books was not easy. but thanks for opening a thread that shows just how much closer EDlois is to becoming THE lois.

I certainly wasn't bashing her for having sex but she's still the worst written Lois I've ever encountered.

And I fail to see how a thread stemming from yet another episode of zero character movement for her qualifies this statement.

[LuckyKrypto]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Part of peoples reaction probably stems from the framework in which it's presented. If this were The O.C. or nip-tuck this thread probably wouldn't exist.

Since it's a Superman story and in most Superman lore Lois and Clark wait for each other seeing either one have sex with other people starts the lips flapping.



OK, I think I see where you are coming from. For me though, I just don't understand the big deal. I mean, is she not suppose to want to have sex with anyone else until she finally meets Superman? :rolleyes:

[Chihiro]

I don't have an issue with Lollie getting ready to do it at all. What I have issue with is the music they used. It does lend a "sleazy" atmosphere to the scene, but the kissing scene itself was pretty well done, IMO.

Also, in that scene Oliver says "I like surprises, but I don't like to wait." The fact that he waited, when he could've kissed Lois on that first date in Wither, shows he knew what he was doing and recognized the fact that Lois wasn't ready at the time, IMO. The fact that he purposedly made Lois think he missed the can showed he respected that.

Obviously, Lois made the "hit the soda can" challenge because she was not aware of his superior archery skill. A skill most people do not possess. So despite the mutual attraction, IMO, it was clear she wasn't ready. I think it was clear to Ollie that he had to "win" Lois, prove that he was worthy.

All relationships are different, and since both parties were obviously willing, and neither one of them are married or have romantic relationships with other people, I don't think Lois was easy at all.

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Silly people.

Since Lois has been in Smallville she hasn't played "hide the salami" with ANYONE.
She's been dating the O-man for over a month.
And only NOW has she descided that it would be a good time to see if they are physically compatible.

Damn you puritans !

:lol: You are so awesomely funny, K-Ronin!
Isn't puritan a fancy way of saying prude?

[Timester]

Originally posted by LuckyKrypto
I guess I missed something.....
I don't understand the problem with Lois 'wanting' to have sex? How does that make her 'easy'? Is there some perfect time that a girl is suppose to want to have sex?:rolleyes:

I can explain what is happening.

In war and love, everything is permitted. And ship wars have both (although lately has been worst than the old Clana fights have ever been)...

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Since it's a Superman story and in most Superman lore Lois and Clark wait for each other seeing either one have sex with other people starts the lips flapping.

Since when? Then that is a complete misunderstanding of the Superman story. Superman story always has been about the journey of Lois and Clark before they even are a couple and how to deal with differences they have when they are a couple. Clark never has been Lois' first, in any incarnation.

[jaybyrd28]

Since when? Then that is a complete misunderstanding of the Superman story. Superman story always has been about the journey of Lois and Clark before they even are a couple and how to deal with differences they have when they are a couple. Clark never has been Lois' first, in any incarnation.

Superman and Lois having sex with other people before they meet isn't common at all as far as I am aware. Show me examples?

I know that it's not uncommon for them to date others but actual sex in the mythos as far as I am aware of is more commonly them both being virgins.

I'll admit I'm not an avid comic fan but that's the setup I'm familiar with.

[Timester]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Superman and Lois having sex with other people before they meet isn't common at all as far as I am aware. Show me examples?

In the comics? Gangbuster. She had a long relationship with him.

In L&C? The French guy (which I don't remember the name now) that stole her story and Lex.

[WhiteMage]

Did Lois ever get it on with Lex? :lol:

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by WhiteMage
Did Lois ever get it on with Lex? :lol:

If I'm not mistaken she almost married him in LnC. I never actually saw that show I just seem to remember reading that somewhere.

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by WhiteMage
Did Lois ever get it on with Lex? :lol:

Eeeew. Gross!

[Timester]

Originally posted by WhiteMage
Did Lois ever get it on with Lex? :lol:

She did admitted on the episode that Clark told Lois that he was a virgin.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by Timester
She did admitted on the episode that Clark told Lois that he was a virgin.

But it was never established that it was Lex she slept with. I mean, the LnC Lois was quite popular in high school and college, and is never short of admirers. Even Jimmy Olsen had a crush on her.

I am still trying to erase the mental picture I got on "Lex got it on with Lois." BAD BAD mental picture. MUST ERASE.....

[Kal-ed]

In the comics, well there are not many direct references of Lois´s previous love life, but I remember clearly that it was sort of implyed that Lois was not a virgin when they met, which btw isnt bad or immoral or anything of that sort. Thas from the source, but if you want newer canon, in LnC, she wasnt a virgin either, and judging by her attitude with Bruce, DDLois from STAS wasnt a vigin either. So I dont see why this version should.

Now one thing is clear is that she is not easy, she has strong feelings for Ollie, and I without puritan standards a months time is more than enough wait to sleep with your BF. If I recall correctly, and this has been handled in books, movies, series, is that the infamous 3rd date (if things go well) is the socially accepted period to wait, Lois waited even longer. But I guess any opottunity to bash Lois cant be passed right, but judjig by the standards Lois is being judged CHloe and Lana are also easy, cause Chloe lost her virginity in a one night stand and Lana slept with Lex, as far as we know also only a few weeks after they started dating.

Personaly I dont think any of the girls in SV are easy, but thats just me.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Superman and Lois having sex with other people before they meet isn't common at all as far as I am aware. Show me examples?

I know that it's not uncommon for them to date others but actual sex in the mythos as far as I am aware of is more commonly them both being virgins.

I'll admit I'm not an avid comic fan but that's the setup I'm familiar with.

Well Superman is the one that it was speculated to be a virgin or at least less sexual experience I heard that in an old comic he lost it to Lana like he did in SV. We know he didn't have sex with Lori since he didn't knew she was a mermaid till she told him ( He can't be that stupid can he?) and when he was between Lana and Lois both of them wanted to marry him so I think he will probably won't sleep with any of them out of fear that they might want to blackmailing him with a child. In Superman II is obvious that he is a virgin since her mother tolds him that he needs to be huma to be with a human and in LnC he said that he was a virgin.
But ILL is rarely a virgin when beign with Superman.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by Chihiro
But it was never established that it was Lex she slept with. I mean, the LnC Lois was quite popular in high school and college, and is never short of admirers. Even Jimmy Olsen had a crush on her.

I am still trying to erase the mental picture I got on "Lex got it on with Lois." BAD BAD mental picture. MUST ERASE.....

Well in evil earth 3 Lex and Lois had a son and where happily married. So Im sure they got it on several times.

[lilkoolmaria]

Does there have to be Lois bashing after every episode?

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Well Superman is the one that it was speculated to be a virgin or at least less sexual experience I heard that in an old comic he lost it to Lana like he did in SV. We know he didn't have sex with Lori since he didn't knew she was a mermaid till she told him ( He can't be that stupid can he?) and when he was between Lana and Lois both of them wanted to marry him so I think he will probably won't sleep with any of them out of fear that they might want to blackmailing him with a child. In Superman II is obvious that he is a virgin since her mother tolds him that he needs to be huma to be with a human and in LnC he said that he was a virgin.
But ILL is rarely a virgin when beign with Superman.

I dont remember the specific quote but Im pretty sure I got a clear idea, if not explicitly about Clark sleeping with Lori Lemaris. They were even engaged, now in LnC I have no clue.

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
Does there have to be Lois bashing after every episode?

Yes the closer she gets to Clark and to becoming a star reporter the more the hate and the envy grow. So expect an exponencial growth as the character progreses.

[BadToad]

Does there have to be Lois bashing after every episode?

This isn't exclusive to Lois. Isn't there a "I hate Clark!!!!" thread? A thread complaining about Chloe's abilities and role on the show? A thread complaining about Lana's whining?

[Chihiro]

In LnC Season 3 when Lois and Clark were trapped in the virtual world created by Lex Luthor's bastard son, Lois tried to broach the subject of sleeping together, since they were already engaged. Clark seemed so nonchalant about it, so Lois started to lose her temper. Then Clark confessed that although he had dated in the past, he has never gone all the way.

Lois was a little shocked, and expressed a twinge of regret, saying that she wished she had waited or saved herself for him (I don't remember the exact line). But Clark said he didn't care, since all that was before they were together.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
Does there have to be Lois bashing after every episode?

Does there have to be people asking why people are bashing their favorite character after every episode? Sorry, I had to and I am a Lois fan.

[eas]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
No where in either of my posts did I bash her character for having sex. It's 2006 after all :)

I know you're not bashing her for having sex, but you are saying that you percieve her to be sexually experienced. And I disagree with that. We've gotten nothing from her that would make it seem that she's any more experienced than Lana or Chloe.

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
As for the rest guess that's my perception. Like I said I took as hints she never comes out and says it but in several of her talks with other characters throught S4 and S5 she puts herself in mommy mode and talks about her past bad relationships. Plus two guys she had to get restraining orders on (her words in the epi that she lectures Clark for being in Lana's room).

And that makes her seem sexually experienced? How exactly? (And she said "military surveillance" btw.) She was saying that she understood how hard it was to let go, but that Clark needed to move on. She was sympathising with him about hard it is to have a bad break-up. The talk had nothing to do with sex... I don't see how you saw it that way. It wasn't ambigious.

Just because she puts herself in "mommy mode" and gives advice about bad relationships, that doesn't mean that she's had sex with these guys. And Martha even told her that Lois reminded her of when Martha was younger when it came to relationships. Does this now mean that we should infer that Martha was easy back in the day??

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by WhiteMage
Did Lois ever get it on with Lex? :lol:

Well No in LnC she asked him to wait to make it special ;)

[eas]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I dont remember the specific quote but Im pretty sure I got a clear idea, if not explicitly about Clark sleeping with Lori Lemaris. They were even engaged, now in LnC I have no clue.

Yeah, I don't know... but I always assumed that Clark had slept with Lana & Lori. I mean, he loved Lori so much that he even proposed to her (she turned him down). So I didn't think that Lois was Clark's first one.

But I'm no expert. I have no clue what the reality is.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, I don't know... but I always assumed that Clark had slept with Lana & Lori. I mean, he loved Lori so much that he even proposed to her (she turned him down). So I didn't think that Lois was Clark's first one.

But I'm no expert. I have no clue what the reality is.

The problem with this is that Lori was a mermaid and he didn't knew till he proposed so there is no way they slept togheter, he can't be that stupid I think :p

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
Does there have to be Lois bashing after every episode?

Duh yeah Temp Lois bashing is mandatory didn't you get the memo? :confused:

[Kal-ed]

Im pretty sure Clark was aware of the circumstances when he proposed to Lori in fact its one of the reasons they clicked, cause they were both diferent but living amongst humans.

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by eas
I know you're not bashing her for having sex, but you are saying that you percieve her to be sexually experienced. And I disagree with that. We've gotten nothing from her that would make it seem that she's any more experienced than Lana or Chloe.



And that makes her seem sexually experienced? How exactly? (And she said "military surveillance" btw.) She was saying that she understood how hard it was to let go, but that Clark needed to move on. She was sympathising with him about hard it is to have a bad break-up. The talk had nothing to do with sex... I don't see how you saw it that way. It wasn't ambigious.

Just because she puts herself in "mommy mode" and gives advice about bad relationships, that doesn't mean that she's had sex with these guys. And Martha even told her that Lois reminded her of when Martha was younger when it came to relationships. Does this now mean that we should infer that Martha was easy back in the day??

/shrug like I said I get an "I'm experienced" vibe from Lois. Can't pin it down exactly or really formulate it I just get that. Again /shrug

To answer better on the whole breakup thing. How can Lois possibly presume to sympathise with Clark if she hasn't had a relationship on that level yet prior to her relating "her expereince" to him?

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by eas
I know you're not bashing her for having sex, but you are saying that you percieve her to be sexually experienced. And I disagree with that. We've gotten nothing from her that would make it seem that she's any more experienced than Lana or Chloe.

Actually Lanabelle was the one that looked at her hair and make I'm going to barf face saying not that is not good not good so it looked like she got a few nasty encounters...wich is her right BTW.

[Kal-ed]

Yeah but bashin under asumptions is pointless, wasnt it you lastdaughterifkrypton that said you liked to bash Lois on reality grounds??

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by ma200
I tried to understand Chloe as a character but I don't. There's a reason why ppl call her superChloe and isn't just her superduper hacking skills. It's that, including being grade A student, investigating with Clark,driving back and forth from SV to Metropolis, etc all in the space of one day. That's why I call her a caricature. Caricatures aren't meant to have much of a personality because if there's too much emphasis on the overexaggerated part of a fictional character, it's impossible.



Did I even remotely tried? That's not my point.

As Iv'e said a couple times the plausibility gets stretched quite thin on SV and I am fully cognizant of that. But that's nothing dramatic or surprising for a 1hr tv serial to be honest.

Lot's of really good shows use wacked out plot devices and show people with extraordinary capabilities.

And /boggle at her not having a personality. In my eyes she's only slightly behind Lex for personalty. Goes to show ya the power of perception I guess :)

[eas]

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
To answer better on the whole breakup thing. How can Lois possibly presume to sympathise with Clark if she hasn't had a relationship on that level yet prior to her relating "her expereince" to him?

How do we know she hasn't? Unfortunately, we haven't gotten a good backstory on Lois that tells us exactly what happened when she was in high school. We don't know exactly why she didn't finish those credits in her senior year (she says she did). We don't know who her first boyfriend was. We don't know if she pined after someone for 10 years like Clark did.

We don't know -- to make an assumption that makes her character look bad, is (imo) bashing. Because it's like people are reading things into her character that just aren't there just to look at her badly. Maybe she did -- we can't say "yay" or "nay" to this.

I'm all for critisizing her (or any other character) when they actually do something to deserve it.

But, in this case? We don't know enough about it to make these sweeping judgements on her character and what she can presume to say or not say regarding relationships.

[Timester]

Originally posted by myankskent
Does there have to be people asking why people are bashing their favorite character after every episode? Sorry, I had to and I am a Lois fan.

Really, it's nothing new on K-Site and it isn't against the rules. Seriously, I don't see the point of all this new "why whoever is bashing whatever?".

[pixiedust]

Originally posted by SteveS
"
Chloe took less and was younger to sleep with JO, and she settled for a one night stand."

And your proof it what to back up your timetable?

"having sex after a few months"

And your proof that is has been 'a few months' is what?

"then CHloe is even more easy than Lois"

And your proof is? Actually, you are just wrong again as you said you are 'entitle' to an opinion but you have to back it up. If it is true that Jimmy was 'the guy' that Chloe hooked up with a couple of years ago, then it is also true that she and Jimmy have a relationship that has spanned a few years. lois' relationship with this particular guy has spanned a few short weeks.


Jimmy was *the* guy. He said in Zod after Chloe shot the gun "Is this because I didn't call?" Not to mention that it was confirmed by TPTB that Jimmy was the guy Chloe lost it to.

This does not imply a long term relationship. It implies that she did him in a summer fling when she was around 15/16 yrs old (someone she barely knew), then didn't see him again for about 4 yrs. But yeah, when she did she hooked right back up with him and jumped his bones in Wither *after* just saying they should take this slow.

If you call Lois easy, then Chloe certainly fits that bill too. Let's paint everyone with the same brush. But that's not the way it works, it it?

There is always a double standard for Lois and Chloe gets a free pass.

There is nothing wrong in pointing out a charater's negative traits but let's hold everyone to the same standard.

If Lois is easy, so is Chloe. Right?

[jaybyrd28]

Originally posted by eas
How do we know she hasn't? Unfortunately, we haven't gotten a good backstory on Lois that tells us exactly what happened when she was in high school. We don't know exactly why she didn't finish those credits in her senior year (she says she did). We don't know who her first boyfriend was. We don't know if she pined after someone for 10 years like Clark did.

We don't know -- to make an assumption that makes her character look bad, is (imo) bashing. Because it's like people are reading things into her character that just aren't there just to look at her badly. Maybe she did -- we can't say "yay" or "nay" to this.

I'm all for critisizing her (or any other character) when they actually do something to deserve it.

But, in this case? We don't know enough about it to make these sweeping judgements on her character and what she can presume to say or not say regarding relationships.

Ok I've said twice that I'm holding nothing against her character or implying anything by saying that I get the impression that she's sexually experienced so why are we on that bent? You're rebuking me for reading into something differenty while simultaneously reading something different than I am writing :) . I'm making no sweeping on judgments on anything other than I get the impression from her dialog and attitude that she's expereinced.

I draw some of this from a simple concept that to render to advice to people on certaion topic means you have familiarity with that topic other wise empathy is impossible and advice rendered becomes hypocritical.

So therefore yes, in my mind, if she's taking the time to council Clark on relationship matters she's had similar expereince.

And again posted simply in response to someone saying Chloe had more sex than Lois not intended as some bizzare black mark on her soul.

If you're taking the word "experienced" wrong then don't as I'm not implying any hidden meaning with it.

[thehenry89]

chloe and jimmy had a one night stand 4 years ago when they were in their early to mid teens. they knew each other for like a week or a summer or whatever...no one is saying anything about st. chloe being easy.

but heaven forbid lois descides she wants to sleep with her boyfriend she must be a slut. sleeping with your boyfriend is a cardinal sin it's the worst possible thing you can do. and for punishment you will be ostrisized on an obviously biased thread for all eternity.

:rolleyes:

[BlueNRed2]

These threads are always a bit amusing.

Personally, I get the easy vibe from Lois and have since she was introduced. She offered it up on what im guessing was the 1st date with Ollie but he declined by "missing" the shot. Honorable action or diverting potential connection to him and the green arrow? Who knows. Aggressive, liberal, easy ...all words to paint a similar picture. She is "willing", nough said.

Lois's "aggressiveness" paints a sad picture for ol'Clark hanging out Justice League. The snickers and comments from the rest of the league's studs concerning their "relationship" with his wife ;-)

[LovelyLoisLane]

They've been dating for at least a month! How the hell does that make her easy. . . .

If that's the case, I must be a real wh*re.

[Tae]

she didn't 'offer' herself to him in whiter. when she said 'make this shot and i'm yours', she was just teasing. she would only have kissed him to keep the bet, she wouldn't of had sex with him. it took all these episodes before we even saw them kissing, lois is not easy.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by Tae
she didn't 'offer' herself to him in whiter. when she said 'make this shot and i'm yours', she was just teasing. she would only have kissed him to keep the bet, she wouldn't of had sex with him. it took all these episodes before we even saw them kissing, lois is not easy.

Exactly. To quote Wither,

Lois: Make the shot and I'm yours.
Ollie: You're that easy, huh?
Lois: It's THAT hard.

Obviously, she didn't expect him to make the shot.

[BlueNRed2]

True, she didnt expect him to make the shot but if i remember correctly, she seemed to be somewhat disappointed that he didnt by her facial expression. Dam, now i have to go watch that scene again....

[Polomontana]

It's obvious that Ollie was the one taking it slow in this relationship and "easy" Lois wanted him to speed things up.

[LusciousLois]

So judgemental......I read something the other day that said, "Being judgemental will show people how tactless you truly are."
Truth is that it's not EASY to land a hot, rich guy. You know what is EASY? Having sex with a hot, rich guy!:D There is no time frame on when a person should or should not have sex with someone. The individual knows when it's right for them. I can say one thing, though. Lois waited a helluva lot longer to ATTEMPT sleeping with her hot, rich man than I did to actually do it with mine.:D Anyway, she was ATTEMPTING to have sex with her boyfriend, not having a regretful one night stand with a photography geek.

[thehenry89]

^word

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by LusciousLois
Truth is that it's not EASY to land a hot, rich guy. You know what is EASY? Having sex with a hot, rich guy!:D

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by Chihiro
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yeah, funny but true. Take your favorite, most beautiful celebrity and have them tell you to your face that they want you.......what would you do? EASY answer. Attraction can be a beautiful thang.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by LusciousLois
Yeah, funny but true. Take your favorite, most beautiful celebrity and have them tell you to your face that they want you.......what would you do? EASY answer. Attraction can be a beautiful thang.

Now this really puts a new perspective on things.

Hmm... If George Clooney so much as winked at me....

Um, so I guess that makes me easy.
:lol: Well ok, maybe it would take more than a wink.... a wink and a smile! :rotfl:

Jeez, Lois is a prude! Hahahaha.

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by Chihiro
Now this really puts a new perspective on things.

Hmm... If George Clooney so much as winked at me....

Um, so I guess that makes me easy.
:lol: Well ok, maybe it would take more than a wink.... a wink and a smile! :rotfl:

Jeez, Lois is a prude! Hahahaha.

I like your style. You've got good taste. Yes, Lois is TEASE!!!!!

[eas]

Originally posted by BlueNRed2
These threads are always a bit amusing.

Personally, I get the easy vibe from Lois and have since she was introduced. She offered it up on what im guessing was the 1st date with Ollie but he declined by "missing" the shot. Honorable action or diverting potential connection to him and the green arrow? Edited out: please refrain from talking politics on the forum. Thank you .

Lois's "aggressiveness" paints a sad picture for ol'Clark hanging out Justice League. The snickers and comments from the rest of the league's studs concerning their "relationship" with his wife ;-)

Edited out: please refrain from talking politics on the forum. Thank you ? Because then she's easy & so is Lana.

Everyone can call Lois easy if they want -- just have the decency to post that you think all the women on SV are easy, too. There's no point in singling out Lois.

And - btw- she didn't want to kiss Oliver on the first date. She clearly didn't think he'd make the shot. You know what Chloe was doing that same ep? Making out in a public place with her (barely) new boyfriend. And what was Lana doing? Having sex with the billionaire she'd just started dating & basically only slept with him to make him happy.

Yeah... um... how was Lois the easy one here?

Originally posted by Polomontana
It's obvious that Ollie was the one taking it slow in this relationship and "easy" Lois wanted him to speed things up.

:rotfl:

In "Wither" Oliver tries to kiss her twice and she pulls back each time. And in "Rage", Oliver says, "I like surprises, but I don't like to wait" and then moves to kiss her again. Yeah, Lois was committing date rape. Poor virginal Ollie and his maligned virtue. :lol:

Originally posted by jaybyrd28
Ok I've said twice that I'm holding nothing against her character or implying anything by saying that I get the impression that she's sexually experienced so why are we on that bent? You're rebuking me for reading into something differenty while simultaneously reading something different than I am writing :) . I'm making no sweeping on judgments on anything other than I get the impression from her dialog and attitude that she's expereinced.

I draw some of this from a simple concept that to render to advice to people on certaion topic means you have familiarity with that topic other wise empathy is impossible and advice rendered becomes hypocritical.

So therefore yes, in my mind, if she's taking the time to council Clark on relationship matters she's had similar expereince.

And again posted simply in response to someone saying Chloe had more sex than Lois not intended as some bizzare black mark on her soul.

If you're taking the word "experienced" wrong then don't as I'm not implying any hidden meaning with it.

*ponders*

Okay... you're right. I see what you're saying. This is your interpretation of her past (the one we know nothing about) and my interpretation is the opposite. I can see that it makes sense that two people could view her words/advice in totally different ways given that we haven't been given anything to say that she isn't experienced prior to arriving at Smallville. (Although I would say that she hasn't slept with anyone since arriving in "SV" and that's to be noted when considering what her past decisions about sex might have been.)

Truce. :)

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
She slept with Jimmy ofscreen between season 1 and 2. SHe tells this to Lana in season 4

I'm not taking Chloe's side, but do you think she may have just lied to Lana to stop her from making what Chloe thought of as a big mistake? It just doesn't seem like Chloe's style to do that. And I'm thinking that if a dork like Jimmy was to get lucky with Chloe, he would call her back since I doubt any other girl would give that puny, geeky, dork the time of day, let alone anything else. We know he didn't from what he said in Zod.

[eas]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm not taking Chloe's side, but do you think she may have just lied to Lana to stop her from making what Chloe thought of as a big mistake? It just doesn't seem like Chloe's style to do that. And I'm thinking that if a dork like Jimmy was to get lucky with Chloe, he would call her back since I doubt any other girl would give that puny, geeky, dork the time of day, let alone anything else. We know he didn't from what he said in Zod.

Well, first of all, I like Jimmy. I think he's cute and adorable & funny. I don't think he's a dork.

Secondly, I don't think that Chloe was lying. There was genuine regret in her words & her expression when she told Lana that story. Plus, the interaction that Jimmy and Chloe have had this season seem to indicate that they were an item in the past. When Chloe almost shoots him, his response is, "Is this because I didn't call you?" And that seems to be a very "we slept together and so you had a right to be mad" kind of thing to say.

Also (and I don't mean this as a diss, because I love her) Chloe can also be considered a dork if Jimmy can. Especially in the early seasons. Chloe was not one of the popular ones at school & working at the Torch, with the wall of weird obsession, did not make her a popular high school student. That was more Lana's thing. This contrast between them was set up from the start. Chloe was the underdog & Lana was the queen bee.

So, I think we need to take what she said at face value and accept the fact that she got caught up in the moment when she was 16 (or whatever) and she slept with Jimmy when she was away at this internship.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm not taking Chloe's side, but do you think she may have just lied to Lana to stop her from making what Chloe thought of as a big mistake? It just doesn't seem like Chloe's style to do that. And I'm thinking that if a dork like Jimmy was to get lucky with Chloe, he would call her back since I doubt any other girl would give that puny, geeky, dork the time of day, let alone anything else. We know he didn't from what he said in Zod.


If I remember correctly, in Wither, when she and Jimmy were in the car at the Makeout Point, she mentioned that they'd already planted the flag on the territory of (physical?) intimacy. I don't remember the exact quote.

[eas]

You're right -- she did. That's the sort of dialogue I was referring to.... I think the writers have given us enough info that it's pretty much confirmed that Jimmy is the guy that Chloe slept with that summer.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by xrayvision
I'm not taking Chloe's side, but do you think she may have just lied to Lana to stop her from making what Chloe thought of as a big mistake? It just doesn't seem like Chloe's style to do that. And I'm thinking that if a dork like Jimmy was to get lucky with Chloe, he would call her back since I doubt any other girl would give that puny, geeky, dork the time of day, let alone anything else. We know he didn't from what he said in Zod.

No cause when Chloe shot him he asked "this isnt cause I didnt call is it?? and then in Withern in the car they talked about how they had already taken it too fast the first time and that they should take it slow this time, and we know Chloe isnt a virgin, we learned that in Spell.

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by eas
In "Wither" Oliver tries to kiss her twice and she pulls back each time. And in "Rage", Oliver says, "I like surprises, but I don't like to wait" and then moves to kiss her again. Yeah, Lois was committing date rape. Poor virginal Ollie and his maligned virtue. :lol:

Yeah, Ollie was just as eager in that scene.

Oh, but the mental image of a poor virginal maligned Ollie is just too much to bear!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[BlueNRed2]

Originally posted by eas
Edited out: please refrain from talking politics on the forum. Thank you

Everyone can call Lois easy if they want -- just have the decency to post that you think all the women on SV are easy, too. There's no point in singling out Lois.

And - btw- she didn't want to kiss Oliver on the first date. She clearly didn't think he'd make the shot. You know what Chloe was doing that same ep? Making out in a public place with her (barely) new boyfriend. And what was Lana doing? Having sex with the billionaire she'd just started dating & basically only slept with him to make him happy.

Yeah... um... how was Lois the easy one here?



Last i checked the thread title was about Lois. I didnt feel particularly obligated to explain my opinion on whether Chloe or Lana seemed "easy".

The writers have imo set Lois up to be on the wild side, or at least having a wilder side than Chloe or Lana. Indicators that she is "experienced" in the bedroom have been around since she was introduced. I'm guessing thats to satisfy the comic mythology. I seem to remember that topic being brought up during the flamewars over Clark loosing his virginity to Lana.

I'm guessing the biggest issue is the term "easy". Probably the scale varies from person to person as to whether they consider someone easy or not. For me, SVLois's character is written "easy".

Edited out: please refrain from talking politics on the forum. Thank you

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by BlueNRed2
Edited out: please refrain from talking politics on the forum. Thank you




What a weird thing to say.:rolleyes: :\ :D

[eas]

Originally posted by BlueNRed2
Not going to get into the "aggressive liberal woman" comment since its sure to spiral into an endless and worthless tirade. I could be mistaken but the word liberal was probably the button that got pushed ~~

Nope -- it's the double-standard that was the button that got pushed. I hate hypocrisy. You can't defend Chloe & Lana b/c there's no point for this thread to exist solely for Lois. That's the point -- to have a thread about Lois being easy (or Lana or Chloe) individually is character bashing. Doesn't matter if the other girls aren't in the thread title. Comparisons will be drawn, because we're trying to measure the yardstick of "easy" behaviour, right? Who else can we compare her to except the other girls on the show? And that happens to be Chloe & Lana. (And Alicia -- who was incredibly easy, judging by these standards.)

For people to come in and state that Lois is easy & give the other girls a free pass makes no sense at all. It's either (1) hypocrisy or (2) character bashing. There are no other explanations. And my opinion onthis isn't even about Lois -- back when the Lexana sex happened in "Wither" everyone was up in arms about Lana about this, too. And I said the same thing about Lana back then, too.

I don't change my ideas about women's rights based on which woman is excercising them.

The use of the word "liberal" doesn't bother me... in fact, I think it's ironic, given that I'm defending Lois's right to have sex when I've only ever had sex with one guy & that was with my husband after marriage. (Yeah, I wouldn't be considered "liberal" -- or easy, for that matter -- by most people. So I wasn't offended by that. :) )

[BlueNRed2]

Originally posted by LusciousLois
What a weird thing to say.:rolleyes: :\ :D

Not sure why its weird, ill reread my comment again in the morning after i sleep. I'm simply not wishing to go through the concept of "liberal" and the shedding of the sexual double standards of old...

As far as avoiding the "hypocricy" of not sharing my views on Chloe and Lana vs Lois, i dont particularly view the other 2 as being easy ....yet.

Lana has experienced 2 adult relationships so far. Clark, which she indicates that they have been waiting for 4? years (i know, that was kinda bunk but blame it on the writers). Lex, who she has grown close to even before she broke up with Clark. I view Lana as "getting there".

Chloe has experienced 1 adult relationship. A fling with an intern over the summer, JO. How long that fling lasted before they had sex is unknown. She expressed regret during that episode. I view Chloe as "not easy". Not enough experiences for me to classify her as easy yet.....unless you count the love potion episode when she was definately willing to be easy with Clark =P

Lois on the other hand has indicators that she was a bit wilder. A step short of being a barfly imo. Sure, she "teased" ollie about shooting the can but i dont think Lois would make that kind of bet unless she was willing to honor the reward (which i guess is in question now). What *IF* Ollie had been a little more roguish and a lot less honorable? I'm betting the soda can wouldnt have been the only thing he nailed that night...

My point is that, based on what information we have, the writers have succeeded in leading ME to believe that Lois is easy.

For the Record Mysticlies, my first mention of the word liberal was in the following categories. Wasnt meant to target the political viewpoint:

2 liberal

tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition

3 free, loose, liberal

not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem"

4 big, bighearted, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, handsome, giving, liberal, openhanded

given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and


Sorry it went that direction...

[SteveS]

"Jimmy was *the* guy. He said in Zod after Chloe shot the gun "Is this because I didn't call?" Not to mention that it was confirmed by TPTB that Jimmy was the guy Chloe lost it to.

This does not imply a long term relationship. It implies that she did him in a summer fling when she was around 15/16 yrs old (someone she barely knew), then didn't see him again for about 4 yrs. But yeah, when she did she hooked right back up with him and jumped his bones in Wither *after* just saying they should take this slow.

If you call Lois easy, then Chloe certainly fits that bill too. Let's paint everyone with the same brush. But that's not the way it works, it it?

There is always a double standard for Lois and Chloe gets a free pass.

There is nothing wrong in pointing out a charater's negative traits but let's hold everyone to the same standard.

If Lois is easy, so is Chloe. Right?"

Neither you nor I, nor any other viewer of Smallville, know what the specifics were of the length, duration, or circumstances of Chloe's relationship with Jimmy when she was 15, but rightly or wrongly, she was vastly younger than this lois is, ergo more immaturity and poor decision making and Chloe did admit it was a poor decision. The continuation of a relationship shows there was something that lasted about 4 years. Not 4 weeks like lowis.

One might congratulte lois on an accomplished strip, sort of, for Ollie. Well practiced is my guess. With Chloe, we don't know anything about her specifics, but we saw lois.

She continues to be a T&A symbol for Smallville, beyond that, she is not gaining or worthy of any respect from me and a number of other viewers and it has nothing to do with 'shipping.' My greatest fear this season was that 'they' would make her someone likeable and worthy of respect and I would have to change my tune about her, instead they just keep her basically same ol'/same ol'.

ClarkMan is too good for this lois and she still isn't worthy. (but I do wish he would let poor Lana go about her merry way)

"Not that it really matters. I'm certainly not going to bash either Lois or Chloe for having sex. If Lois was a guy then you wouldn't be bashing her for wanting to have sex with her significant other, you know you wouldn't. Typical sexist double standard working here. I've seen the word "slut" and "easy" used for both Lois & Lana recently because they were going to sleep with their boyfriends, but it's funny that nobody uses nasty words like that for any of the male characters. Oliver certainly looked like he was ready and willing, are you going to call him "easy" too and despise him for it?"

Actually, MB, you have no idea exactly what I might say, but if you wanted to waste hours of time, you could find that I blasted Lex for his promiscuities waay back in one of those pathetic 'Lex is not to blame" or "Its all Jonathan's fault that Lex is..." threads. With Clark, I am personally sad that he didn't nail Alicia, since he loved her and married her, but then again, I liked that the character was trying to change her life, but that really doesn't apply. What I don't push is any general promiscuity from important characters. Clark 'loved' Lana for years, that strikes me as vastly different than a few week hook-me-up.

The term that I have used to describe lois is that she is a 'sleaze' compared to every other Lois version that has ever been on screen that I have seen. Will stick with that assesment and will say in advance that she will be used for a T&A sex object for the duration of her time on Smallville. Like someone else wisely said, if it is 'what is on the inside that counts' then Clark can't turn on to this girl, she is too deficient on the inside even if ample in the bodice department.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Yeah but bashin under asumptions is pointless, wasnt it you lastdaughterifkrypton that said you liked to bash Lois on reality grounds??

Not bashing just tryint to point out from migth have come the idea of her being more sexually experience I don't bash her on that ground.

[angelfire east]

Mod Note:

Lets not talk about other posters but rather the show it's self. I'd hate to have to sent give out warnings.:)

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Is Lois Lane that easy in the comic books?

Nah, she wasn't easy. Oliver is her boyfreind that she loves and they have been dating for awhile. That's how it goes in the real world.

[Farm_Girl]

Seriously, can't we do without the weekly Lois bashing? It is becoming a pathetic pattern week after week now!

I didn't see anything 'easy' about Lois's character. Oliver and Lois are both adults and dating each other. What do you expect? They should get together and discuss homework over coffee?

Their relationship has been beautifully developed in the past weeks. I didn't see anything 'easy' there... But I guess the point of starting these discussions is clear..

When Clark comes to Lois's apartment and sees the flowers he asks her so he just sends you these flowers and you'll settle things with him, Lois replies "I am not that gullable"..

She wasn't ready to jump back because Ollie sent her flowers.

There was nothing wrong with Lois taking her relationship further..

Lana is pregnant, Martha is thinking about a relationship even when her husband for twenty years died only few months ago, Chloe is talking about "going back there again" but who gets singled out as "easy" Lois WOW!!!

[Luthorism]

She is hot, Ollie is handsome, Sex is inevitable. :D

[ShelbyKent]

The last time I checked, being promiscuous meant having frequent casual intimate relationships with numerous and completely random individuals.

Lois wanted to be intimate with one guy who happens to be her boyfriend already. Lois and Ollie are two adults in an exclusive relationship. How does that make Lois promiscuous? :confused:

As for the timing, It's up to the couple to jointly decide if they are comfortable and trust each other enough to take their relationship to the next level. It’s different for everyone. And it’s their own business.

Peace y’all ;)
Originally posted by Luthorism
She is hot, Ollie is handsome, Sex is inevitable. :D
:rotfl:

[LusciousLois]

Edited out: please no more talk about politics!

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by ShelbyKent
The last time I checked, being promiscuous meant having frequent casual intimate relationships with numerous and completely random individuals.

Lois wanted to be intimate with one guy who happens to be her boyfriend already. Lois and Ollie are two adults in an exclusive relationship. How does that make Lois promiscuous? :confused:

As for the timing, It's up to the couple to jointly decide if they are comfortable and trust each other enough to take their relationship to the next level. It’s different for everyone. And it’s their own business.

Peace y’all ;)

:rotfl:

But when Lois is involved, it becomes all about politics and what not!

Lexana baby, fine! Mionel, okay! Chloe telling Jimmy I want to do it again, perfect!

Lois is promiscuous!

Great! *sigh*

Clark's future leading lady is the object of everyone's envy isn't she? Surely is most talked about..

Next week we'll have a "Lois's lipstick was too pink.. and it is an insult to the iconic Lois Lane" thread I am sure..:rolleyes:

[Naman is 1#]

Originally posted by LusciousLois
Anyway, she was ATTEMPTING to have sex with her boyfriend, not having a regretful one night stand with a photography geek.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Great Chloe reference. That situation with her and Jimmy was pretty cheap and easy. (IMO)

Lois and Ollie been together long enough to sex without it looking easy. In fact in todays world a lot of couples have it sooner, this is 2006 not 1906, sex happens much earlier in relationships now.

[MetroGirl06]

Lois easy? No. If Lois is considered easy than most red blooded females of todays world are easy too. Lois was just going to have sex with her BOYFRIEND, who she has been dating a while. Besides, Ollie is really hot. Why not I would say! LOL

[Fly by guy]

Originally posted by MetroGirl06
Lois easy? No. If Lois is considered easy than most red blooded females of todays world are easy too. Lois was just going to have sex with her BOYFRIEND, who she has been dating a while. Besides, Ollie is really hot. Why not I would say! LOL

Easy,maybe. Lana was with Jason a year with no sex, wanted Clark for 4 years, and was with Lex for 1/2 a year before having sex and it seemed like the Hoover Dam broke with the foul words to describe Lana's "lack" of restraint.
Sooooooooooo, using Lana as a benchmark I would say that Lois is easy. Notice I didn't use the ever popular word reserved for Lana, the "s..t".

IMO, Lois is just being a normal woman. She likes him, she dating him, and eventually she'll ............
I just can't understand the preferential treatment Lois gets over Lana in THIS matter. I hate that she's with Lex, but it's been moving toward that crap since Splinter and especially since Reckoning. The Arrow hasn't been around that long.:\

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by shirkie
Well *this* Lois has always seemed kind of... forward... to me...
shirkie


That's for sure! Better that than a two dimensional virgin like Chloe or Lana. Who do you know is remotely like them? Actually, strike that comment - Lana has made the beast with two backs with Luthor and Chloe had Jimmy in the back of a car.


Lois just wants some super love.

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Nah, she wasn't easy. Oliver is her boyfreind that she loves and they have been dating for awhile. That's how it goes in the real world.


I don't think she loves him anymore. Did you see her look when he hugged her? Something is going down and it's not Lois.

[LusciousLois]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic

Lois just wants some super love.

Something is going down and it's not Lois.

:lol: That is, truly... BRILLIANT!:lol:

[biaaly]

ROTF ditto LuscioisLois!

[shirkie]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
That's for sure! Better that than a two dimensional virgin like Chloe or Lana. Who do you know is remotely like them? Um, are you implying people who are virgins are two-dimensional or challenged in some way? Because you're talking to a proud 24-year-old virgin. Just because I choose not to sleep with the people I date doesn't make me any less of a person... And the man I marry someday will surely be proud to have a wife who waited just for him.
shirkie

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by shirkie
Um, are you implying people who are virgins are two-dimensional or challenged in some way? Because you're talking to a proud 24-year-old virgin. Just because I choose not to sleep with the people I date doesn't make me any less of a person... And the man I marry someday will surely be proud to have a wife who waited just for him.
shirkie


I have PMd you. No, I wouldn't imply or even say that. But I hate the way Lois, who appeared wearing a man's shirt, is being denigrated and yet Oliver hasn't been branded a tramp at all.

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
That's for sure! Better that than a two dimensional virgin like Chloe or Lana. Who do you know is remotely like them? Actually, strike that comment - Lana has made the beast with two backs with Luthor and Chloe had Jimmy in the back of a car.


Lois just wants some super love.




I don't think she loves him anymore. Did you see her look when he hugged her? Something is going down and it's not Lois.


I'm glad you liked my totally unsubtle comments. But it's true, she a Superman needs a Superwoman and only a Superman can give her the Super Love she needs.

LOL!

[Chihiro]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
But it's true, she a Superman needs a Superwoman and only a Superman can give her the Super Love she needs.

LOL!


:lol: Me likey!

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Edited out: please no more talk about politics!

Edited out: please no more talk about politics!

And just a comment about perception:
When Chimmy was anounce over the summer we got a FLOOD of Antis and Temp Lois fans stating in long posts that Chloe is not the kind of girl that would slept with someone unless there was a true feeling there and that meant that Jimmy is Chloe's true love because Chloe is not that kind of person and even if she regreted it sometimes sometimes she doens't and yada yada yada...But now that someone called Temp Lois easy them everything is different and what Chloe had was nothing more than a night stand with a guy she barely meet...I wish I could say that I'm confused but no is just a peculiar phenomenon that I'm totally going to do a thesis about in my psichology masters degree ;)

[Liriel]

She was going to sleep with her boyfriend. I don't think that makes her easy. It's not like she falls into bed with every guy who winks at her. So far as we know, this is the only guy she's been planning to sleep with in over two years.

[Deana]

I think it turned on Chloe because the person who posted this thread always posts a Lois bashing thread and put's Chloe on a pedistal. Every episode, it never fails...

It just became a pot calling a kettle black thing...

[Mysticlies]

Mod note: This thread is meant to discuss Lois, not other people on this forum, or about Lois bashing threads. Stay on Topic

[jmf1]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
She's the only one on Smallville that way. :rolleyes:

Please - have you forgotten about all of Lex & Lionel's trophies? Didn't some women try and kill Lex because when he dumped them they got paid like prostitutes but in diamonds instead of cash?

Seriously, Lois only gets a bad reputation because she's a woman not a man or you just don't like her. What about Chloe and her summer romance with Jimmy? She moved so fast in the summer we didn't have time to see that develop into multiple episodes.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by shirkie
Um, are you implying people who are virgins are two-dimensional or challenged in some way? Because you're talking to a proud 24-year-old virgin. Just because I choose not to sleep with the people I date doesn't make me any less of a person... And the man I marry someday will surely be proud to have a wife who waited just for him.
shirkie

Well are you trying to imply non virgin females are sluts for not waiting for marriage? Especially when GA, Lex, Lionel ever get labled as such? That's great when someone waits for marriage and I applaud them and respect their choices but that doesn't make the rest of the female population sluts, including the fictional character Lois. ;) GA was her boyfriend, they've been dating for awhile, and they clearly love eachother. Sex was a natural progression that they BOTH clearly wanted.

[Tae]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Well are you trying to imply non virgin females are sluts for not waiting for marriage? Especially when GA, Lex, Lionel ever get labled as such? That's great when someone waits for marriage and I applaud them and respect their choices but that doesn't make the rest of the female population sluts, including the fictional character Lois. ;) GA was her boyfriend, they've been dating for awhile, and they clearly love eachother. Sex was a natural progression that they BOTH clearly wanted.

Right on RedPheonix23!!!! hats off to those who wait, but let's not condemn people in mature relationships who decide they want to be physically intimate.

[Farm_Girl]

Originally posted by Fly by guy
Easy,maybe. Lana was with Jason a year with no sex,

Lana wanted to have sex with Jason, Jason was the one who turned her down. Watch Unsafe.

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Edited out: please no more talk about politics!

And just a comment about perception:
When Chimmy was anounce over the summer we got a FLOOD of Antis and Temp Lois fans stating in long posts that Chloe is not the kind of girl that would slept with someone unless there was a true feeling there and that meant that Jimmy is Chloe's true love because Chloe is not that kind of person and even if she regreted it sometimes sometimes she doens't and yada yada yada...But now that someone called Temp Lois easy them everything is different and what Chloe had was nothing more than a night stand with a guy she barely meet...I wish I could say that I'm confused but no is just a peculiar phenomenon that I'm totally going to do a thesis about in my psichology masters degree ;)

I think you are off-topic here, first off, don't say that all Lois fans said that.

What is even more funny to see that few Lois fans thought that Chloe is that kind of person who would commit to Jimmy, so in a way, we appreciated Chloe instead of maligning her.

On the contrary, it is Chloe's fans who brush off her sex with Jimmy as a one night stand so they can prove that she still loves Clark..


The problem is that all Lana's and Chloe's can have sex and talk about having it, but when Lois does something, all antis come out to bash her.

Whatever Chloe did is used as a reference only when Chloe fans try to prove that "Lois is easy" when Chloe herself had a rushed sex with Jimmy during her summer internship..

And if you say she is still in love with Clark and had sex with another man.. what would that make her? Do you have any explanation for that?

Everyone has a right to critisize but don't become biased. Just because you love a character, it can get away with anything, and the one you don't like should be held accountable. Be fair!

I don't want to make this about Lois/Chloe and I am not interested in it. There are many Lois bashing threads that turn into Chloe appreciation threads already out there.

Lois waited for her relationship to develop with Ollie:

- Whither: Ollie merely wanted to kiss her, but she refrained.

- Arrow: Oliver offered her a romantic evening on the beach but she refused.

She has been seeing him for a while now, I don't see why she shouldn't have taken the relationship further...

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
I think you are off-topic here, first off, don't say that all Lois fans said that.

Just a little ;)

What is even more funny to see that few Lois fans thought that Chloe is that kind of person who would commit to Jimmy, so in a way, we appreciated Chloe instead of maligning her..

Actually it was more along the lines to make Chimmy to kill of chances of Chlark since as soon as this Lois is easy thread started the wave turned just to defedn her...


On the contrary, it is Chloe's fans who brush off her sex with Jimmy as a one night stand so they can prove that she still loves Clark...


Well that is the case in some must of those took Chloe's words on hearth in wich she beleived she was in love at the time but after thinking about it it wasn't really what she was looking for at the time. And I think she wasn't really sure if that either because as soon as Jimmy came into the picture again she gave him another chance. I think she probably though that she didn't meant that much to Jimmy, but after finding out that she did she is trying to reconnect with him,IMO.



The problem is that all Lana's and Chloe's can have sex and talk about having it, but when Lois does something, all antis come out to bash her..

Don't count me in the ALL part if you see my first post I said that she is not easy, the man is her boyfriend and they had been formally dating for enough time for them to do the deed if they are comfortably enough about it. I never bashed Lana for trying to sleep with Jason.
The only person I find sexual behaviour at fault is Lex since for me in Bound it looked like she lyied to those women to have sex with them,IMO. Something that I find very immoral I also didn't agree with Clark having sex with Lana because first: Ugh! is Lana! and second he should had told the truth about his origins to her.

Whatever Chloe did is used as a reference only when Chloe fans try to prove that "Lois is easy" when Chloe herself had a rushed sex with Jimmy during her summer internship


Well the point is that no anti said she rushed to sex with Jimmy over the summer when we find out they were going to be togheter this season, if they would had said that since the beginning then I would had kept shut but fact is that Chloe was called on that ONLY when Temp Lois was accused of beng easy, that is the interesting phenomena I was referring to.

And if you say she is still in love with Clark and had sex with another man.. what would that make her? Do you have any explanation for that?.

I think that a combination of the distance and dissapointment could had fooled her into believe she was over him, but the moment she saw him again all her feelings got into the surface again.
I really think that Chloe's main struggle is to come to terms with her feelings for Clark loving him but knowing she will only be her friend...And just not to give you hopes I think that we are going to see the opposite in it now that Clark realizes that Chloe is not waiting for him to come around anymore. And as storyteller this is exactly the way it should had been done.

Everyone has a right to critisize but don't become biased. Just because you love a character, it can get away with anything, and the one you don't like should be held accountable. Be fair!.

Read above I'm fair. I bash Temp Lois lack or ethics, rude behaviour, lack of education, LS and so on and when Chloe did the Lionel deal I wanted her head on a silver plate I just forgave her after I found out she was really honest about regretting the deal and proved herself.
And SOME antis where perfectly fine with the barn door of inspiration LS, with her lack or education and with her lack of respect for a man that had saved Temp Lois life more than anyone so I think the bias is not on us, IMO.

I don't want to make this about Lois/Chloe and I am not interested in it. There are many Lois bashing threads that turn into Chloe appreciation threads already out there..

Agree.

Lois waited for her relationship to develop with Ollie:

- Whither: Ollie merely wanted to kiss her, but she refrained.

- Arrow: Oliver offered her a romantic evening on the beach but she refused.

She has been seeing him for a while now, I don't see why she shouldn't have taken the relationship further... .

Totally on the same page. Everybody has the right to get intimate with a person as soon as they feel comfortable wheter in marriage or in the first date. I don't call her on that like I posted above my comment was that is not a good strategy to change your arguments to defend a character because it makes it looks like justification and bias and not an argument. IMO.

And somebody said (a pro Temp Lois BTW) that the scene looked cheap...Well I must be cheap because I liked it. I hated that she changed into a man shirt because the dress was way too pretty but the music and the setting where good from my POV.

[shirkie]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Well are you trying to imply non virgin females are sluts for not waiting for marriage? Especially when GA, Lex, Lionel ever get labled as such? That's great when someone waits for marriage and I applaud them and respect their choices but that doesn't make the rest of the female population sluts, including the fictional character Lois. ;) GA was her boyfriend, they've been dating for awhile, and they clearly love eachother. Sex was a natural progression that they BOTH clearly wanted. I never made this implication. All I said was that this incarnation of Lois seems... forward... And I think I'm getting that vibe more from her stripper turn in "Exposed" than in her dealings with Ollie.
shirkie

[vyperman7]

I don't see anything wrong with it. In terms of relationships, waiting a few months to sleep with the person you involved with, is actually awhile these days. As other people have said, it is not like it happened after the first date or anything. They are both consenting adults in a relationship with each other.

Now the guy side of me won't deny that ED wearing nothing but a t-shirt is one of the sexiest things I have seen in I don't know how long.

But still, waiting two months to want to sleep with her boyfriend, doesn't make her easy in my opinion.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by shirkie
I never made this implication. All I said was that this incarnation of Lois seems... forward... And I think I'm getting that vibe more from her stripper turn in "Exposed" than in her dealings with Ollie.
shirkie

I dont remember her doing the strip tease cause she wanted and cause she was forward, I remember Chloe being the respoinsible one and Lois taking one for the team, and forshadowing the lengts Lois is willing to go to land a story.

[shirkie]

I know, I know, but it really made me sour on her character in my eyes. I mean, on "Lois & Clark," Lois was willing to dress up as a giant chicken and dance in a nightclub, but she certainly didn't play a stripper.
shirkie

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by shirkie
I know, I know, but it really made me sour on her character in my eyes. I mean, on "Lois & Clark," Lois was willing to dress up as a giant chicken and dance in a nightclub, but she certainly didn't play a stripper.
shirkie

Well she was pretty much forced into it. It is funny because I really don't like Lois, but I find myself defending her on the boards today. :D

She went to the club with Chloe so they could get the story, and they were caught in the office. So to help Chloe out, Lois went along with it. It is not like she was purposefully stripping. Plus, it is not like you can call it stripping, considering she never took her clothes off. She was simply dancing on stage in a themed bikini. If you can call it dancing that is.. :lol:

[eas]

^^ But she did as a favor to her cousin & to track down someone who was killing innocent women. If she hadn't donned the stripper suit, they would never have caught the guy responsible. She very clearly did not want to do it & was uncomfortable with the whole thing. But Chloe refused to do it, so Lois gamely went ahead and "took one for the team".

The Lois in LnC used to also doing things like to figure out what was going on & she would have dressed like a stripper if ABC was allowed to show that stuff back in the mid-90s. It has more to do with our changing times (2006 vs. 1998) then it has to do with the morality level of the two Loises. Lois was pretty daring for the Lois of her time. (Let's not forget the advertising campaign they ran with Teri Hatcher wearing nothing but Superman's cloak. Lois wasn't exactly looking all pristine and innocent there.)

And in the comics, today, they have panels where Lois is wearing nothing but Superman's tattered cloak.. Or she wears a sexy nightgown to seduce her husband.

I fail to see how Erica's Lois on "SV" has gone beyond the usual behaviour that any other Lois has engaged in. (And given that the most recent movie version of Lois has had a child out of wedlock & is living with a guy who is not her husband -- or even the father of her child -- with no hurry to get married, it seems odd that Erica's version of Lois is being considered of loose morals.)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by eas
^^ But she did as a favor to her cousin & to track down someone who was killing innocent women. If she hadn't donned the stripper suit, they would never have caught the guy responsible. She very clearly did not want to do it & was uncomfortable with the whole thing. But Chloe refused to do it, so Lois gamely went ahead and "took one for the team".

Exactly what I just said as well. I don't think that Lois agreeing to play a stripper to help Chloe makes her easy, too forward, or whatever else people are saying about her after this episode.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by shirkie
I know, I know, but it really made me sour on her character in my eyes. I mean, on "Lois & Clark," Lois was willing to dress up as a giant chicken and dance in a nightclub, but she certainly didn't play a stripper.
shirkie

Well I never considered easy because of that (I don't consider her easy no matter what) since she was caught in the circunstances. However the show try to put her in the less clothes posible any time they can that I don't consider it a good thing for a ILL.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by eas
I fail to see how Erica's Lois on "SV" has gone beyond the usual behaviour that any other Lois has engaged in. (And given that the most recent movie version of Lois has had a child out of wedlock & is living with a guy who is not her husband -- or even the father of her child -- with no hurry to get married, it seems odd that Erica's version of Lois is being considered of loose morals.)

Good point!

[shirkie]

Ugh, don't even get me started on "SR" Lois Lane and her bastard lovechild. That ripped my heart out. Give me TH's LL from "Lois & Clark." She wasn't a virgin when she and Clark got married, but she expressed regret for what she did in the past and wished she waited for Clark. I thought that was really sweet and a good message to send.
shirkie

[DanaButterfly]

Originally posted by shirkie
Ugh, don't even get me started on "SR" Lois Lane and her bastard lovechild. That ripped my heart out. Give me TH's LL from "Lois & Clark." She wasn't a virgin when she and Clark got married, but she expressed regret for what she did in the past and wished she waited for Clark. I thought that was really sweet and a good message to send.
shirkie

I take offense to your use of "bastard" when describing a child not of married parents. In this day and age, I would think one would know better than to use that kind of language. There are many, many, many non-traditional forms of family, and many include children who are not born of a married father and mother.

I don't understand what the big deal is about Lois wanting to have sex with Oliver. They are in a committed relationship of at least two months.

No one seems to be throwing around the words "loose," "easy," "forward," etc. when it comes to Lana, who was very forceful when it came to sex with Clark, pressing him when she saw he didn't want to, and they had been dating what, a week or two after he got shot? And now she's pregnant with Lex's baby three months into the relationship.

And let's not forget Chloe, who, while supposedly in love with Clark, met, flirted with and had sex with Jimmy in the span of ONE SUMMER. What does that make her?

Let's not throw around accusations at Lois when the very same can be said about Chloe and Lana.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by shirkie
Ugh, don't even get me started on "SR" Lois Lane and her bastard lovechild. That ripped my heart out. Give me TH's LL from "Lois & Clark." She wasn't a virgin when she and Clark got married, but she expressed regret for what she did in the past and wished she waited for Clark. I thought that was really sweet and a good message to send.
shirkie
I think you used a bad term to refer to children born out of wedlock and even if is not your choice and you don't agree with it everybody has the right to have their family in the way it fits them the most.
I don't choose single motherhood (I'm a virgin as well) but I'm not offended by it not for Superman not for anyone in RL and I did loved the movie , KBlois was just meh for me.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by shirkie
Ugh, don't even get me started on "SR" Lois Lane and her bastard lovechild. That ripped my heart out. shirkie

Word. And I don't take offense to the word "bastard"; no matter what's said, people are going to get offended. Besides, it's not the child's fault for being born out of wedlock, so no offense should be taken, imo.

[FULLMETALMARTA]

:cool: The one thing about smallville that I like is how three dimensional the characters are. They have taken comic book charaters and given them real personalities. Someone will always bash lois or chloe or lana and even clark, because we are all busy relating to the other chartacters:D
I really like lois because she is not perfect, she doesn't know everything that is going on and she is pretty funny sometimes and pretty cool others.
Also does anyone remember in the second show of the forth season when she went into clarks bathroom with just his shirt on while he was taking a shower. She was telling Clark the same thing then that she was telling ollie. only clark wasn't ready then.
I really love this show:rotfl:

Oh yea, and by the way.....she never finished doing anything with ollie.....he left before they could...remember?!

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by DanaButterfly
No one seems to be throwing around the words "loose," "easy," "forward," etc. when it comes to Lana, who was very forceful when it came to sex with Clark, pressing him when she saw he didn't want to, and they had been dating what, a week or two after he got shot? And now she's pregnant with Lex's baby three months into the relationship.

And let's not forget Chloe, who, while supposedly in love with Clark, met, flirted with and had sex with Jimmy in the span of ONE SUMMER. What does that make her?

Let's not throw around accusations at Lois when the very same can be said about Chloe and Lana.

Actually.... that get's said about Lana ALL THE TIME. It's only Chloe that get's the free pass. :(

[gj430]

I think people are way to hard on everybody.

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by gj430
I think people are way to hard on everybody.

Unless their name is Chloe. :p

[eas]

Originally posted by shirkie
Ugh, don't even get me started on "SR" Lois Lane and her bastard lovechild. That ripped my heart out. Give me TH's LL from "Lois & Clark." She wasn't a virgin when she and Clark got married, but she expressed regret for what she did in the past and wished she waited for Clark. I thought that was really sweet and a good message to send.
shirkie

Well, I wasn't exactly making a value judgement on SRLois' decision. (Not that I liked her or anything, but she is definitely not the first woman in the world to decide to be a single mother.) And I wouldn't really call poor Jason a bastard. Poor kid has enough problems.

I was a virgin when I got married. So was my husband. I understand values, morals and all that. I see what you are saying. But I can also see the other side -- even if I don't make those decisions for myself, I can understand what the social mores of our day and age are.

THLois saying that she wished she'd waited for Clark is sweet. But doesn't everyone in love think that? I'm sure that Erica's Lois will think the same think the same thing once she's finally entered into a relationship with Clark. And I'm sure SVClark will regret his time with Lana (we can only hope). This feeling of regret doesn't make THLois a version of Lois a more moral version of Lois -- not if she didn't actually wait until marriage. She wasn't strong enough & (by your own standards) didn't have the morality enough to keep herself from doing something wrong. If you're defining "virginity" and sex only within marriage as the definition of morality.

And if we're defining loss of virginity specifically as the defnition of "easy" behavior then no woman on "SV" is allowed a free pass. Actually, very few women on prime-time TV are allowed a free pass. Veronica Mars, Rory Gilmore, and every other female character over the age of 15 are pretty much sluts on TV.

So why the thread singling out Smallville's Lois Lane? :confused: I don't care if everyone wants to say that Smallville sends out the wrong message to young women & there needs to be less sex on the show. But to only single out Lois seems hypocritical to me.

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Actually.... that get's said about Lana ALL THE TIME. It's only Chloe that get's the free pass. :(

That's very true. There was a huge "Lana is easy" thread after the events of "Wither".

For the record, a lot of the people posting here in Lois's defense posted in Lana's defense (myself included).

Out of the three female characters on the show, Chloe is the only one that, generally, gets a free pass on everything she does. People who argue for hours that Lois was easy for just teasing Oliver about a kiss in "Wither" like to pretend that the Chlimmy making out session in the same episode wasn't a big deal.

It's best to just accept it as inevitable and move on. Chloe's never gonna get called on her behavior. She's not Super!Chloe. She's Saint!Chloe.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by SteveS
People have plowed that field before.

Easy? Of course lois is easy, she has been in 'luv' with Ollie since for how long? Okay, not luv but seeing each other for a few weeks.

lois was huffin' and a puffin' and Ollie didn't have to do anything, she just goes and shucks her duds after a few kisses. And Clark is supposed to need this sleaze?

I don't think so, another negative trait for Smallville's version of lois. This episode was better than I could have hoped. Ugh, she still doesn't have any class not to mention her general clueless -ness.

soulmate? bull@@@@!

LOL. I take it you're not a Lois fan. Too funny.

I'm not a Lois fan either but I don't think she's a sleaze. Ollie & Lo are two consenting adults. Currently, she's only dating 1 person, not 2 or 3. Trust me I know girls who do far worse and no one would call them a slut.

I find it fascinating that none of this criticism is ever placed on the male partner.

Not that I'm a Lois fan--darn I actually defended her. I suck.

[shirkie]

Just FYI--

Dictionary.com defines "bastard" as "a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child."

I stand by my choice of words to describe Superman and Lois Lane's illegitimate son in "SR."
shirkie

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by shirkie
I never made this implication. All I said was that this incarnation of Lois seems... forward... And I think I'm getting that vibe more from her stripper turn in "Exposed" than in her dealings with Ollie.
shirkie

I do agree that ED shows way too much skin on and off the series. Much more skin than the other 2 ladies. I've seen her in an itty bitty bikini, pole dancing, FHM, jogging in a booby baring outfit--not that I'm complaining but I wouldn't take her home to mother.

Note: that doesn't make her a slut or easy. It just makes her immodest. There's a difference.

[JonStewart4President]

Originally posted by eas
It's best to just accept it as inevitable and move on. Chloe's never gonna get called on her behavior. She's not Super!Chloe. She's Saint!Chloe. I think you have that wrong...it's Super!Saint!Chloe. And Chloe's being treated like she's perfect, is a disservice to the character; it's not true and I for one find it as annoying as I find perfect Lana on the show.

Chloe is cool, but she's not perfect and Lois and Lana have their problems, but they're not completely wrong or bad.

Balance and perspective are good. And yes, I think I did just channel Yoda a little bit there, there are worse things to channel, so I'm going with it.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by shirkie
Just FYI--

Dictionary.com defines "bastard" as "a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child."

I stand by my choice of words to describe Superman and Lois Lane's illegitimate son in "SR."
shirkie

Whoa Shirkie that's harsh. I don't think anyone should use that word unless it's my ex-girlfriend using it on me.

But seriously, even though words have certain meanings, sometimes words get contaminated through time. Even though the "dictionary" meaning of "bastard" is illegitimate child, I would certainly never call someone who was actually an illegitimate child that. There are so many things people should not say b/c words can take on very negative meanings. Not that you're not accurate, b/c you are but it's just not appropriate to refer to a child that way, even a fictional child.

However, I totally agree w/ you that Superman & Lois Lane having a child in the movie was the stupidest thing ever. It's one of the biggest canon no-no's. Superman could never have a child w/ earth women. Superman could only father a child either with Wonder Woman (or women from her race) or Maxima. But what do you expect from Bryan Singer?

[JonStewart4President]

Oh and I find the whole use of calling women on this show "whores" or "easy" at the drop of a hat, a little bit disturbing. Why just the women? And why resort to something so sexist? And why am I using so many question marks?

As it stands the only whore on the show is Lex, maybe Lionel.

Everyone else has sex once every like 5 years and typically it's with someone they're in an exclusive relationship with. Besides well the aforementioned Luthors and oh yeah, sorry Chloe, that one-night-stand with Jimmy, but she's had sex how many times since then in that past 5+ years? Like never, so how does that make her a whore? It doesn't. Just like Lana isn't one or Lois isn't.

And despite some getting 'vibes' that Lois might be fast and granted her stripping doesn't help, she hasn't offered to have sex, but once in the past two years and that was with her boyfriend of how many ever SV months that is. We know only that Lois isn't a virgin, but that could be by one or a hundred times, we the audience don't have any evidence about Lois's sex life beyond one time, the one that makes her not a virgin. And we the SV audience know that in the 2 years being on the show, she hasn't had sex once and only offered it once.

I don't even like ED's Lois, well that's too kind, I loathe and despise her, but even I wouldn't call her a slut or easy or whatever. Same goes for every one of the regulars of SV not Lex or Lionel.

[gj430]

I always hated the dumb idea that Superman can't have a kid with an earth women. Why have him be with Lois and not be able too. It's fiction. I say he should be happy and be able to have a family. I don't think it's ever been cannonically stated that he can't it's just they haven't done it in the main stream ones. It's been done in the Elseworld ones and no matter what anybody says to me I consider those Clark's just as real and as much Superman as the one's from the main comic, Smallville, the movies, and Animated shows. If he is able to do it in those Elseworld comics, countless Fanfics, and SR then I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to have one with Lois in the Mainstream Action Comics. Alot of people had a problem with him having a kid in SR I never did. Superman was with Lois before he left and didn't know. He came back and she had a kid. I don't see anything wrong with it. Plus do you actually believe that if Superman had stayed that he wouldn't have been there for Lois. I think he would have. I like the idea of him having a kid and him being superpowered. Plus I have patience and I believe it's only a matter of time before Lois and Clark get back together and they raise Jason together. I don't think people are taking into account where it's leding. SR was like a lead-in movie to the sequal. I know it's suppose stand on it's own and it did in alot of respects but It was also to introduce the world and characters and have a story with Lex. Now when SR2 comes out everything will be established nd they can move foward from that. Jason will be learning his powers and Superman will be fighting a Superpowered bad guy.

I grew up in kind of conservative home though my dad was and my mom wasn't when they were younger they were when I was growing up and I'm more a Moderate person. But I'm of the opion of not having problem with stuff like premarital sex, or single parents, or gayrights, or other things similiar to that. I just say that when it comes to the sex thing it's alright but you should protect yourself. It's a hard issue though because I think it's ok to be with some people, you never know who has something so you never know how many is too many, you could be with one person and get something or 50 and not, so you never know. It's actually pretty frustrating. When it comes to the pregnancy thing it's their choice and it shouldn't be held against them in my opinion. You make the choice to have sex, and you make the choice to take birth control or not and you make a choice to wear protection or not so if you make those choices Like Lois did I don't think it should be held against that she has kid. I personally don't think anything is morally wrong with it. There was always this religious idea of sex being bad for some unseen reason even though it's ok in marriage. This day and age I think the only reason there should be a stigma against sex is STD's because if they didn't exist what would be the big deal with sleeping around. The fact that you have to worry about it seems to put this idea in peoples head that sex is wrong but if there was nothing to worry about what would be the problem. Thats the only thing that keeps me from sleeping around. The pregnancy is a whole different side of the issue but is still related to this stigma society had against sex.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
If I remember correctly it was Chloe and not Lois who had a one night stand with a guy she only new for some weeks and who she never dated.

Lois has been dating at least a month with Ollie, and unless judged by some religious standards I would consider a couple sleeping together after a month´s (maybe more) relationship and both are concenting ADULTS is socially acceptable.

Now, having a one night stand with a summer journallism camp buddy when your 15 (not an adult yet) wouldnt be that socially acceptable.

I personally dont consider either Chloe of Lois easy, but thats just me.

But I guess double standard is the name of the game.

WORD! :D

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
However, I totally agree w/ you that Superman & Lois Lane having a child in the movie was the stupidest thing ever. It's one of the biggest canon no-no's. Superman could never have a child w/ earth women. Superman could only father a child either with Wonder Woman (or women from her race) or Maxima. But what do you expect from Bryan Singer? [/B]

I disagree. I thought that was a masterstroke. At last! Why shouldn't Clark have a child with Lois? Yes, I know he's alien but he's presented as a human in everything but his powers. It makes the story a bit more interesting.


That Wonder Woman/Maxima crap is just for pure titillation.

[gj430]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Satanic
[B]I disagree. I thought that was a masterstroke. At last! Why shouldn't Clark have a child with Lois? Yes, I know he's alien but he's presented as a human in everything but his powers. It makes the story a bit more interesting.

That's what I was tryinng to get at in my post.

The WW and Maxima thing I'm ok with but I think he should be mainly with Lois and WW/ Maxima should either be for Elseworld stories or in the future after Lois dies. Superman and WW are going to be alive for along time and I like the Idea of WW being there for Clark after he loses Lois.

[wolverine316]

I don't mind Lois as compared to what Lana has been up to. She gets involved with a guy who has proved dangerous in the past along with the fact he has SECRETS Lana moves in with the guy after what a few months? A talk with Chloe and she sleeps with him? You have to wonder who is a bigger idiot, Lana or Britney Spears

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by SteveS
Neither you nor I, nor any other viewer of Smallville, know what the specifics were of the length, duration, or circumstances of Chloe's relationship with Jimmy when she was 15, but rightly or wrongly, she was vastly younger than this lois is, ergo more immaturity and poor decision making and Chloe did admit it was a poor decision. The continuation of a relationship shows there was something that lasted about 4 years. Not 4 weeks like lowis. We know that at the most it was 3 months, since that's the typical internship/summer vacation. We know Wither was August/September, and this is November. 3 months. And sorry, 4 years of no contact does not meant that a relationship lasted for four years. If you meet someone after four years of no contact, you're pretty much starting over.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Sharkie
We know that at the most it was 3 months, since that's the typical internship/summer vacation. We know Wither was August/September, and this is November. 3 months. And sorry, 4 years of no contact does not meant that a relationship lasted for four years. If you meet someone after four years of no contact, you're pretty much starting over.

I agree with you in this one they are starting all over again.
But I don't think we can call it a one night stand since Chloe said she though it was the real deal she just don't randomly picked a guy to have sex with and then send him diamonds earrings the nigh after....;)
I think that Chloe convinced herself that she was in love, after all she had a major crush on Clark that was totally devoted to Lana and then she finds herself being adored by a sweet guy
I think she tried so hard to get over Clark she tried to erase him since I think she is the romantic type, I can totally see her thinking that and maybe after seeing Clark again she remembered what love really felt...
I think that she maybe did it the night before coming back to SV since she would had need to explain to Jimmy why she didn't wanted anymore sex or she will had broke up with Jimmy wich would had make their interaction this season very different.
So far I think that she waited at least 3 months for giving it to Jimmy, not that it makes any diference since I already said Temp Lois is not easy, IMO.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
I disagree. I thought that was a masterstroke. At last! Why shouldn't Clark have a child with Lois? Yes, I know he's alien but he's presented as a human in everything but his powers. It makes the story a bit more interesting.


That Wonder Woman/Maxima crap is just for pure titillation.

I don't agree. I think the fact that Lois & Clark could never have kids makes it more interesting and complicated. No matter what Clark does he eventually will have to leave the love of his life behind (being that she will grow old & die and he will continue on).

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by RamonaE
I don't agree. I think the fact that Lois & Clark could never have kids makes it more interesting and complicated. No matter what Clark does he eventually will have to leave the love of his life behind (being that she will grow old & die and he will continue on).

I disagree I think the child is a good adition to Superman's life and the fact that he just found out that he really was alone that there weren't anymore kryptonians and then find out that his race lives in his son...I think it was a great moment and BRsuperman did it so good and looked so thankfull that I almost cried. In Batman Beyond I felt so sorry for him he seemed so alone after all those years :(
So I think it was about time for Superman to have company a child that might live forever like him. :)

I love Superman/Clark/Kal-El :D

[Kal-ed]

In the comics, he aparantly adopted a kryptonian boy, it was on Action comics #844, Im still waiting for #845, (in my country I get them 2 or 3 weeks behind) but aparantly he is adopting him anyhow its in current continuity so Supes and Lois have a kryptonian boy under their care (unless something diferent ocurrs) BTW he looks sort of like Jason from SR.

[DarkseidNow]

Yeah I caught that in Action Comics #844 how the kid looked alot like Jason from Superman Returns. This really annoys me in the fact that I would rather Clark and Lois just do the Kryptonian Space Dance and have a kid akin to that fake Supergirl in the comics. But they are hellbent on incorporating elements from other Superman media into the comics. Oh well.

[Paul Satanic]

Originally posted by gj430
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Satanic
[B]I disagree. I thought that was a masterstroke. At last! Why shouldn't Clark have a child with Lois? Yes, I know he's alien but he's presented as a human in everything but his powers. It makes the story a bit more interesting.

That's what I was tryinng to get at in my post.

The WW and Maxima thing I'm ok with but I think he should be mainly with Lois and WW/ Maxima should either be for Elseworld stories or in the future after Lois dies. Superman and WW are going to be alive for along time and I like the Idea of WW being there for Clark after he loses Lois.


He doesn't lose Lois. That's the point. It's a comic. They'll be together forever if people are willing to write Superman stories.


Doesn't Wonder Woman fancy Batman or something?

[Kal-ed]

Lois does die and Superman lives on, we´ve had references from that in sagas where ther is some time travelling and stuff, in One Million, thousands (or hundreds ) of years have passed and Lois is dead and Supes is alive. But we dont see supes dealing with the issue so I dont know what he did afterwards, although it was sugested by comic´s PTB that Lois is his one, and there will be no one else in his life.

Originally posted by DarkseidNow
Yeah I caught that in Action Comics #844 how the kid looked alot like Jason from Superman Returns. This really annoys me in the fact that I would rather Clark and Lois just do the Kryptonian Space Dance and have a kid akin to that fake Supergirl in the comics. But they are hellbent on incorporating elements from other Superman media into the comics. Oh well.

I think its the natural development of things, since the Siegle´s won the rights to Superboy, they killed him, and I imagine this kid is their version of him, but never linking his alterego to Superboy, to avoid any lawsuits. I mean the lawsuits have to have some limits, not every kryptonian yougling is superboy

And did you notice they used the S belt, the one in the movie, and Clark talking to Jor el, (when was the last time Clark spoke to Jor el in comics???)

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Lois does die and Superman lives on, we´ve had references from that in sagas where ther is some time travelling and stuff, in One Million, thousands (or hundreds ) of years have passed and Lois is dead and Supes is alive. But we dont see supes dealing with the issue so I dont know what he did afterwards, although it was sugested by comic´s PTB that Lois is his one, and there will be no one else in his life.



If I remember right WW wanted a relationship with Clark, but even after 100 years he was still faithful to Lois. It's always been shown that Lois is the one, not even WW can turn his head.

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
If I remember right WW wanted a relationship with Clark, but even after 100 years he was still faithful to Lois. It's always been shown that Lois is the one, not even WW can turn his head.

the thing is as much as Im a Cloiser, in terms of comics and shows, and as much as i find Clark never finding anyone else, I still wouldnt like to see supes, living the rest of his life (a really really long time) alone and it would be selfish (in a matte off speaking) to want or expect him to live his life alone, just cause Lois died, Im sure in his heart she will always hold the special place of his soulmate, but being a hero is a hard and tiresome path and after Lois dies, 100 maybe, I wouldnt mind seeing him with WW. Its hard coming back from work to your house, alone and tired imagine how it is for superman after he gets to see the worst mankind and this world has to offer, and having to go back to a lonely apartment or worse to the FOS, where he will eventually live (cause it has also been sugested he gives up the "mortal" alter ego) and not having someone to share the burden. So yeah as much as I think its romantic I also would like to see Supes move on, and so would Lois.

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
So far I think that she waited at least 3 months for giving it to Jimmy, not that it makes any diference since I already said Temp Lois is not easy, IMO. I agree, just pointing out that if you consider Lois easy, Chloe must be as well.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Sharkie
I agree, just pointing out that if you consider Lois easy, Chloe must be as well.

I'm not sure about that, when Chleo told ths story of her first time to Lana no one brough the one night stand scenario. I don't think you should defend a character based in the actions of others or at least changing your arguments to fit your defending case, IMO.

[Sharkie]

I think you misunderstand me. I don't think Chloe was easy. I'm merely pointing out that the Chloe/Jimmy and Lois/Oliver dated for about the same ammount of time at this point. And I was arguing against SteveS saying their relationship lasted for four years. They care about each other, but a lot has changed in both of their lives since then, so they have to start over in a sense.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by Sharkie
I think you misunderstand me. I don't think Chloe was easy. I'm merely pointing out that the Chloe/Jimmy and Lois/Oliver dated for about the same ammount of time at this point. And I was arguing against SteveS saying their relationship lasted for four years. They care about each other, but a lot has changed in both of their lives since then, so they have to start over in a sense.

Oh yeah I get it now...But you brough an interesting point do you think she is in love with Ollie? I don't but feel free to comment.

[eas]

Originally posted by Paul Satanic
Doesn't Wonder Woman fancy Batman or something?

I don't know how it's playing out in the comics, but in the animated series "JLU", yes, WW had a thing for Batman. And he had a thing for her. It was actually pretty cool. I never ship WW with Superman (because I love her way too much) but I adored the whole Batman/WW pairing. The creators of "JLU" compared it to the "prom queen dating the high school bad boy" type of relationship.

[ckman]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say my opinion.

First and foremost, let me just say this - of all the Lois' I've seen, from Margot Kiddet to Kate Bosworth, Erica Durance's Lois is definately my favourite. Her character has given Smallville the humour it needed that Chloe quite couldn't give.

Second, it's not right to be using foul language to describe children born out of wedlock. I myself am a firm believer of no sex before marriage, (I'll explain why later), but just because this is what I believe it doesn't give me the right to go parading around throwing insults at other people, and it certainly can not be said that this Lois is 'loose', [B]'forward'[B] or any of the other accusations that have been thrown at her. As was stated above she's no more different than any of the other Lois' in the past, or any of the other females on the show.

Onto why I believe that intercourse before marriage is wrong. Well for me sex is a way to express your love to your partner in the most intimate way. It should only be reserved for your spouse as they are the one who you shall live with for the rest of your life. Many of today's couples part because their sex-life isn't good enough, if they had just waited for each other they would only have themselves to compare each other to and never complain about the topic.

That's my opinion anyway, but like I said, it doesn't give me the write to insult anyone else.

[FULLMETALMARTA]

:D Why do the writers of smallville have to go by anyone elses stories? comics or other wise? And I'm tired of the references saying this isn't what they wrote in the comic's/cartoons/ previous movies and shows! :o
These writers are obviously Re-creating the whole story with some pretty good writing by the way. Clark can turn out any way they imagine, and so far their spin on this whole story is better than any other I have seen.:o
Also, why not have Lios and clark get together during this series? The fact of how they annoy each other and yet help each other, and can be friends all at the same time make good stories possible!:D
If they were one dimensional characters like some have suggested they should be, then the show would have never made it past the first season.:)
I want to see lois and clark get together, love and fight and love each other all at once. It would be just plan satisfying!
At least for us Chick-Flick Freaks it would be!;)

[Tae]

proud to be a Chick-Flick Freak!!! :D

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
If I remember right WW wanted a relationship with Clark, but even after 100 years he was still faithful to Lois. It's always been shown that Lois is the one, not even WW can turn his head.

Well, I've read a few comics where Wonder Woman did more for Superman than turn his head. But you're right in the end he was still faithful to Lois. That doesn't mean that Superman doesn't have a slight crush on the magnificent W.

As for the Batman thing, so far so good. I think Wonder Woman and Bats make a good couple.

[rebecavaldez]

Wasn't this the first kiss they shared on screen?