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chlark=destiny

11-02-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by khufu
Lol yeah because Lois is always so important to the plot :rolleyes: The only thing that relates her to the rest of what's happening this year is the fact that she is GA's armpiece. Is she important to Clark and the Zoners? No. The Daily Planet? No. Lex and Level 33.1? No. The Mionel plotline? No. Can someone remind me why we need her around?

My sentiments exactly ;) Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Erica Durance, BUT I just don't like her as Lois. Personally, I think the show WOULD SURVIVE without EDLois, especially since Lois is not suppose to fall for Clark Kent, BUT SUPERMAN.

D.M.A.

11-02-2006, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
And how about Crusade, Commencement, Solitude, Arrival, Vessel and Reckoning. Those weren't filler episodes. She is in both filler episodes and big story episodes.
I agree,I'm not the biggest lois fan wit her bein on sv,but I wouldn't say it was great cause she wasn't in it.Clark made this one great imo,his improvement made the episode worth watchin.Plus the shock of tptb not havin clark/raya romantic was a good touch too.If anythin not havin lois around was cool cause they made jimmy stepup in her place for comedic humor.Other than that tho I wouldn't say the episode was great cause lois wasn't around cause as myankskent stated she's been in both filler and big story episodes.

Originally posted by LoisKent2006
Because she IS Clark's future WIFE ! That's all I wanna say. ;)
True but I get what khufu is sayin,he means why do we need her on sv/this season if she's jus eyecandy.But imo the same could be said for jimmy,but obviously she's playin sum kind of part if they have her leanin towards journalism whether its forced or not.But I do get where khufu is comin from,I jus dont agree wit the thread about the episode bein great cause she wasn't in it.I think clark was what made it great which either him or lex should be for the season.But that's jus my opinion tho :D

ginnyfan

11-02-2006, 10:03 PM

I MISS LOIS! Sorry about the shouting but I do.

For a Lois-less episode, it was great. There was enough cool stuff to distract me for an hour from the painful pangs caused from missing Lois!

The preview for next week helped a lot to! Lois is back!!!

Actually Raya mourning for the fortress reminded me of how Lois called it "heaven."

STFanatic

11-02-2006, 10:07 PM

[\begin sarcasm]

I am still trying to figure out who that dark haired character they kept calling "Clark" was, I think I have seen him on this series before.
Where were the main characters, Lois & Ollie?

[/end sarcasm]

Ilovebeinglost

11-02-2006, 10:14 PM

Oh so that's what made this episode so great. No Lois:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Don't get me wrong I think she's beautiful and witty and sexy but she just isn't the real Lois.:p

Oh and is it just me or is Chloe getting better looking every season? She is beautiful this season and without having showing her belly or be seen in jogging clothes ;)

mariolegosu

11-02-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
And how about Crusade, Commencement, Solitude, Arrival, Vessel and Reckoning. Those weren't filler episodes. She is in both filler episodes and big story episodes.
Witht the exception of Crusade and maybe Arrival, she didn't have a big role in the plot. In Arrival she told Clark where Aethyr and Nam-Ek were headed and help JK with at the destroyed farm.

In Commencement, she went to Chloe's and Clark's graduation and stared at the sky in the end.

In Solitude, she drove Chloe to LuthorCorp so CHLOE could find the spaceship. Oh and we get an hint that she might be interested in journalism.

In Reckoning, she announced that JK was the winner for the Senate seat and had her life threatened when Clark was on his streak of saving people.

And finally, in Vessel, she's in the plane with MK. That's about it...

So even though Lois has been in some big episodes, most of the time she didn't take part in the plot and was more of a filler for the episode itself.

Naman is 1#

11-02-2006, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Ilovebeinglost
Oh and is it just me or is Chloe getting better looking every season?

No its just you:lol: :p

No Lois, well how many episodes is she going to be in anyways? I do like her hopefully she'll be in the next one.

LoisKent2006

11-02-2006, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by D.M.A.
I agree,I'm not the biggest lois fan wit her bein on sv,but I wouldn't say it was great cause she wasn't in it.Clark made this one great imo,his improvement made the episode worth watchin.Plus the shock of tptb not havin clark/raya romantic was a good touch too.If anythin not havin lois around was cool cause they made jimmy stepup in her place for comedic humor.Other than that tho I wouldn't say the episode was great cause lois wasn't around cause as myankskent stated she's been in both filler and big story episodes.

True but I get what khufu is sayin,he means why do we need her on sv/this season if she's jus eyecandy.But imo the same could be said for jimmy,but obviously she's playin sum kind of part if they have her leanin towards journalism whether its forced or not.But I do get where khufu is comin from,I jus dont agree wit the thread about the episode bein great cause she wasn't in it.I think clark was what made it great which either him or lex should be for the season.But that's jus my opinion tho :D

I agree with you. You make a good point. I just don't know why some people here want to bash Erica's Lois so sadly. What's the meaning of bring the thread on the board? It is kind of immature. :(

Coyote

11-02-2006, 10:32 PM

She's signed for 13 eps.

Ilovebeinglost

11-02-2006, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Coyote
She's signed for 13 eps.

So she's not going to be in 7 or 8 of them ? yippeeeeeeeeeeeee

TheEradicator6

11-02-2006, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by k18
I felt empty without Lois. She's one of my favorite characters so far this season. Plus, there is NO CHLOIS!!!
yeah i missed Lois, but I think this episode would've wasted her UNLESS we could've seen her JEALOUS of Raya LOL

LoisKent2006

11-02-2006, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Coyote
She's signed for 13 eps.

Have they really decided that Lois only shows on 13 eps?
Can't it be changed? Sorry, I ask a stupid question. (sigh) I just feel bad. *sniff* :(

AngylWylde

11-02-2006, 10:49 PM

I didn't even realize Lois wasn't present. lol I guess it shows all the attention I pay to that character these days.

lexs&os

11-02-2006, 10:59 PM

I didn't miss Lois....at all. It was nice to get a break from the supporting cast episodes. Don't get me wrong, I like Ollie and Lois - especially together, but it was REALLY nice to see a lot of Clark and it was an important episode for him - he finally decided and spoke that he was going to pursue his destiny. I was glad EDLois wasn't shoehorned into Clark's realization story - it was just too important to have too much supporting cast take away from this turning point, JMO.

SteveS

11-02-2006, 11:00 PM

The lois-centric episodes are lois-filler episodes. lois filling a bikini, a t-shirt, etc. Lucy and Aqua are simple examples of simple-minded episodes.

This one was actually pretty good, excellent ending and lois was not in sight, not missed, and not a part of it.

Next week,dumbed-down programming will resume.

buffywill07

11-02-2006, 11:09 PM

I missed Lois and her humor.. plus the clois bantering

InLove_with_Chloe

11-03-2006, 04:24 AM

I just realized this now, that she wasn't in the show today... I didn't miss her at all.

Paint the K

11-03-2006, 05:43 AM

I miss Shelby more than Lois in this episode. There was some hope I'd see the canine run through the barn in the early scenes on the Kent farm. No such luck.

Raya's very easy on the eyes, and she's very hot, in that sort of elegant, Phantom-zone sort of way.

savingpeoplething

11-03-2006, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by AngylWylde
I didn't even realize Lois wasn't present. lol I guess it shows all the attention I pay to that character these days.

Sometimes, it's so refreshing without Lois that you get caught up and forget...

"Fallout" was a nice break from all the Lois being forced down my throat. I was able to breathe a little better last night.
It was a nice change to see every character in the episode carry their own weight and actually be involved in the story, instead of them just being there for no reason.

Of course, the force-feeding will continue next week. Guess I'll have to enjoy it as long as I can :)

aft06

11-03-2006, 07:48 AM

I was kinda mad that there wasn't more interaction with Clark and Raya and the other women in his life.

I'd been nice to see a little jealousy on THEIR end for once.

Kyogre

11-03-2006, 08:06 AM

i missed the dog

same with chloe last week
this show is getting boring they should focus more on the action fight scenes

chlarkfan333

11-03-2006, 08:12 AM

I was so glad that Lois wasn't in the episode. It was a much needed break and deservedly so based on next week's episode preview, where once again it's all about Lois and the Green Arrow it would seem.

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 08:18 AM

Okay, please don't blast me because this is just my opinion but I prefer no Lois in Smallville.. she serves no purpose.. she is Clark/Superman's future.. she doesn't belong in Smallville..

I did enjoy this episode but not JUST because she wasn't in it.. I enjoyed it because Clark now sees where his destiny lies and isn't running from it!

Superman_Beyond

11-03-2006, 08:26 AM

Too much Chloe and Jimmy in this episode for my taste. Should have focused more on the Clark/Raya.

RedKalEL

11-03-2006, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by k18
I felt empty without Lois. She's one of my favorite characters so far this season. Plus, there is NO CHLOIS!!!

THANK YOU!

chlarkfan333

11-03-2006, 08:32 AM

I don't know, the some of the Chlimmy scenes had a Chloisy feel for me. Like others have said, it was like watching Lois and Clark (the series). Please don't throw things at me - I am not a Chloiser. :p

The lack of Lois is not why I liked the episode but it sure did make it that much more enjoyable. Also, it gave back screentime to the four characters that have traditionally been the main ones viz. Clark, Lex, Lana, and Chloe. In a way, it was reminiscent of older episodes (just darker).

jimmyolsenblues

11-03-2006, 08:34 AM

One episode to show clark accepting who he is, I agree does not have to see Lois.
But I if I know I can't get Chlark , I will happily settle for Clois.

Naomi

11-03-2006, 08:34 AM

Lovely break from Lois :D

Lightning Flash

11-03-2006, 08:40 AM

This epi didn't need Lois, we were fine without her. There would have been no reason to have her anyway, unless she was doing the story with Chlimmy.

straightener

11-03-2006, 08:41 AM

I like EDLois but I think the writers have really worn her character out lately. I wince everytime she's in a scene with Clark because I absolutely detest her disparaging "Smallville" moniker she uses on him. He ought to give her a nickname, too, like "Busty". :-) That would be hilarious, if out of character.

AlwaysAround

11-03-2006, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by cloisinmyheart
yeahh its not an episode unless theres lois in it, its just a filler without her

So true. It was pretty boring without her. I was hoping for a scene where Lois questions Raya. I have got to laugh when people open up threads like this. They are just trying to stir the pot. The very fact that they mention Chlois when even Allison Mack says it won't happen, and that they'd rather their character be turned into someone else, shows their lack of confidence in their character. They feel threatened a great deal because they know that Chloe will not stay at the Daily Planet because they all know that Lois becomes the award winning reporter and that she is the one that becomes the apple of Clark's eye. Why have a wannabe when we have the real thing now? Something happens to Chloe where she either leaves and loses contact with Clark or she is killed off, and that really bothers some people. They know very well that something happens because it will not be a threesome at the Daily Planet. That's a definite. You can bank on that! One of them leaves and guess who that person is?;)

Also everyone knows that in recent media ventures, the comics, L&C, and the animated series, that "Smallville" is not used as an insult in the least. It has been firmly established as her nickname for Clark. The very idea that it is even remotely being used to beat up on Clark for no reason is laughable. Someone needs to bone up on their Superman history. :lol:

Can't say as I can really blame them for feeling threatened. If I knew that my favorite character was doomed to lose their job and the man of her dreams to someone else and possibly never be seen or heard from again, I'd be a little sore (and scared) as well. Trying to grasp for any reason to hate Lois is not the answer though.

Filler episode? You bet it was. It also did very little to progress the other characters. Lana was already not tusting Lex sot that story served no purpose, no Lionel, no Lois. The villian was very crappy and bland. A very predictable outcome. Just filler. So boring. At least if they had Lois in the episode we could have had some good dialogue with Clark and Raya and it could have been a bit more entertaining instead of so bland. It could have made it so much more interesting. ;)

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
So true. It was pretty boring without her. I was hoping for a scene where Lois questions Raya. I have got to laugh when people open up threads like this. They are just trying to stir the pot. The very fact that he mentions Chlois when even Allison Mack says it won't happen, and that they'd rather their character be turned into someone else, shows their lack of confidence in their character. They feel threatened a great deal because they know that Chloe will not stay at the Daily Planet because they all know that Lois becomes the award winning reporter and that she is the one that becomes the apple of Clark's eye. Why have a wannabe when we have the real thing now? Something happens to Chloe where she either leaves and loses contact with Clark or she is killed off, and that really bothers some people. They know very well that something happens because it will not a threesome at the Daily Planet. One of them leaves and guess who that person is?;)

Can't say as I can really blame them for feeling threatened. If I knew that my favorite character was doomed to lose their job and the man of her dreams to someone else and possibly never seen or heard from again, I'd be a little sore as well.

Filler episode? You bet it was. It also did very little to progress the other characters. Lana was already not tusting Lex, no Lionel, no Lois. A very predictable outcome. Just filler. So boring. At least if they had Lois in the episode we could have had some good dialogue with Clark and Raya. It could have made it so much more interesting.

Well I really don't appreciate the tone of the above.. as a Chloe fan, I have nothing to worry about whether she lives or dies because I know that she was a terrific character that the writers made up, she was never in the actual Superman comics and the sad part is, she is just as popular (if not more) than Lois who has been a part of the comics and story since the beginning.. maybe it is Lois' fans that feel threatened because they see how fantastic Chloe actually is.. she is everything they wish Lois on Smallville was and even if Chloe gets killed off or gets her heart broken by Clark again or leaves never to be heard from again, all of us Chloe fans have the memories of the great character that TPTB created and Allison Mack made us love..

aft06

11-03-2006, 09:41 AM

You guys are SO right. I think Lois BRINGS nothing to this show. TOTALLY MAN. I mean she's only been billed as Clarks SOULMATE for like FIFTY years or so but HEY CHLOE didn't exist till Smallville started!!!

this is what WILL happen

Lois is going to get eaten by the smoke monster on the island and then we'll all be SHOCKED when Chloe reveals that she was actually Lois all along!

After all this show is just like Lost right? AMIRIGHT

Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?

AlwaysAround

11-03-2006, 09:48 AM

I find the outright hatred for Lois (for very little reason) on this board very sad actually.
As a Superman fan (that also makes me a Lois fan) I can only shake my head in puzzlement.
You like Chloe? Great. I'm happy for you. Why is it every time a new episode airs someone has to open up a Lois bashing thread? I'm so sick of these petty character bashing games.

Lois Lane is here now on Smallville and she is being played by Erica Durance. Even Allsion says she is doing a great job and they both have admiration for each other. The character is undenyably going towards her destiny of being Daily Planet reporter. As a Superman fan it makes me so excited to see Lois Lane growing and maturing into the ace reporter she will become. Every new episode we see her in now for this season brings her closer to that destiny. I am so happy now as a Superman fan to see her character's journey on the show. I throughly enjoy the character and miss her when she is not on.

I only wish some of you Chloe fans could appreciate and share in that excitement that I feel for the character and her growing ever closer to her destiny.

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 10:16 AM

I can only speak for myself but I don't bash Lois.. do I like her character on Smallville? No I don't but that is my opinion and I have a right to it just like everyone who doesn't like the character of Chloe has the right to voice their opinion.. its called the freedom of speech and being on a board with as many personalities as we have, you are going to have those that bash or hate upon certain characters.. we can express our opinions if we want.. I don't like her character on Smallville.. but I have always loved the character in every other element whether it be comics or movies or even Lois and Clark.. the writers have written her poorly.. to me, Chloe is more like the Lois that I love than the Lois they have on Smallville.. again, this is just my opinion but it is how I feel and no matter what future Chloe has, I'll always like her more than Lois and I'll always thank TPTB for bringing us a character as wonderful as Chloe Sullivan!

Aft06: You are totally cracking me up! hahaha.. Sending high fives your way!!!! :rotfl:

Timester

11-03-2006, 10:22 AM

Thanks guys, I finally got why some episodes are good and some are bad. Silly me, I had this idea that the story writing and plot had something to do with it.

/end sarcasm

Kreukie

11-03-2006, 10:24 AM

This series went on for three full seasons WITHOUT Lois.

So those who keep going on about feeling empty without Lois, what were you doing in those three seasons?

:lol:

I also didn't miss her.

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Timester
Thanks guys, I finally got why some episodes are good and some are bad. Silly me, I had this idea that the story writing and plot had something to do with it.

/end sarcasm

Haha, I sense bitterness.. :)

myankskent

11-03-2006, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
I find the outright hatred for Lois (for very little reason) on this board very sad actually.
As a Superman fan (that also makes me a Lois fan) I can only shake my head in puzzlement.
You like Chloe? Great. I'm happy for you. Why is it every time a new episode airs someone has to open up a Lois bashing thread? I'm so sick of these petty character bashing games.

Lois Lane is here now on Smallville and she is being played by Erica Durance. Even Allsion says she is doing a great job and they both have admiration for each other. The character is undenyably going towards her destiny of being Daily Planet reporter. As a Superman fan it makes me so excited to see Lois Lane growing and maturing into the ace reporter she will become. Every new episode we see her in now for this season brings her closer to that destiny. I am so happy now as a Superman fan to see her character's journey on the show. I throughly enjoy the character and miss her when she is not on.

I only wish some of you Chloe fans could appreciate and share in that excitement that I feel for the character and her growing ever closer to her destiny.

You have to understand that Chloe fans/Chlois fans feel threatened by Lois because she is the one who is going to get the success in the future and marry Clark. But in terms of this thread, when Lois is signed on for only 13 episodes, it's not a surprise that we were going to get an episode without Lois at some point. This isn't news, and yet, I'm sure this kind of thread will pop up after each and every episode that Lois is not in.

And my feelings on when characters are missed or not....if you give me a good story involving Clark and Lex, I couldn't care less if Lois, Chloe or Lana are in the show. They don't make the show, IMO. Clark and Lex do. I'm a huge Lionel fan and even though Lionel wasn't in this episode, I still consider this episode one of the best in the series due to what we had a chance to see with Clark's character. I never look at this show as being better if a certain character is not in it. If Lois haters want to think of the show that way, more power to them. It will probably just make the ending of this show very dissatisfying to them. If you give me a good story about the two main characters with development, I'll be happy.

Timester

11-03-2006, 10:58 AM

chlarkfan333

11-03-2006, 11:14 AM

Um, I just don't like Lois in any of her incarnations and SVLois is no exception, but heads the list.

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 11:27 AM

Well I do agree that the show is more about the transition from farm boy to Superman.. but there is romantic angst in life in general and Smallville isn't an exception.. and TPTB can't make everyone happy.. I just wish just once, us Chlarkers would get our shot but oh well.. doesn't look promising. :)

monstra

11-03-2006, 11:47 AM

No Lois had absolutely no impact in the ratings, It actually got the best ratings this season since 'Zod'.. so yeah.. Lois who?

Xsmallville_obsessedX

11-03-2006, 12:21 PM

I was SO dissapointed that Lois wasn't in this episode. I love her character, especially this season. That's partly why I did not enjoy the episode. Oh well, she's pretty muhch going to be awesome next week, anyways. :)

aft06

11-03-2006, 12:22 PM

I spent the whole episode hoping Lois would show up. Ah well to each their own.

myankskent

11-03-2006, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by monstra
No Lois had absolutely no impact in the ratings, It actually got the best ratings this season since 'Zod'.. so yeah.. Lois who?

Unless everyone who watches this show receives copies of the show before it airs, I don't see how people are aware prior to the episode airing if Lois was going to be in the episode or not.

umm

11-03-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by monstra
No Lois had absolutely no impact in the ratings, It actually got the best ratings this season since 'Zod'.. so yeah.. Lois who?

:lol: :lol:

Bad or good raitings, an episode without Lois in it is always a nice and for the eyes resting change!

Kyogre

11-03-2006, 12:53 PM

Why is everyone mainly chloe fans dislike lois
she is an awesome character
i just wish there would be more lois than chimmy

boywithbluehanger

11-03-2006, 12:59 PM

My problem with watching Lois is that ED smiles way too much. She needs to put on a serious face and then I would appreciate her sarcasm and wit more. And instead of smiling during all the banter she could slightly smirk, (man I'm being picky!) but ehh all in all, I don't hate EDLois, I just think all the smiles get in the way of who Lois is iconicly <--(is that a word?! :confused: )

bobser

11-03-2006, 01:01 PM

Lois adds humor to the plot, as well as more dimension and mythos (especially this season) so I like the character. The only essential characters, imo, are of course Clark and then Lex. Other than that, every person they have on the show adds a special part as long as they are written well.

Also, what I'm hoping to see this season or the next is at least one Sam Jones III sighting. Even if Clark goes, "Hey Ma', I im'd Pete Ross today on my new I-book, which retails for $1099 at Best Buy. "

Right there they could get a product placement and acknowledge Pete is still alive.

Kyogre

11-03-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by bobser
Lois adds humor to the plot, as well as more dimension and mythos (especially this season) so I like the character. The only essential characters, imo, are of course Clark and then Lex. Other than that, every person they have on the show adds a special part as long as they are written well.

Also, what I'm hoping to see this season or the next is at least one Sam Jones III sighting. Even if Clark goes, "Hey Ma', I im'd Pete Ross today on my new I-book, which retails for $1099 at Best Buy. "

Right there they could get a product placement and acknowledge Pete is still alive.

I dont understand why they dont even mention clarks bestfriend
id like what you said to happen even with the ad

Joelito

11-03-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Polomontana
Finally we get a glimpse of Smallville without Lois and it looked pretty good!! That's another Chlois sighting, Jimmy trying to work for Chloe(Lois). Enough with the Green Goblin or Green Arrow storyline. Now he's about to start juicing with something that probably cntains kryptonite. Give me a break!!
Now, now...

There are been episodes without Martha and doesn't mean that she's not good or Lionel....

And about Chlois.... keep dreaming :\

umm

11-03-2006, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Kyogre
Why is everyone mainly chloe fans dislike lois
she is an awesome character
i just wish there would be more lois than chimmy

You can't really claim that Lois is mainly disliked by Chloe fans, because you have no way of knowing that for sure!
And yes Lois is not a bad character, there are certainly worse written ones, say Lana for example; but Lois doesn't belong in Smallville, much like Jimmy doesn't or Olliver, and that's why she is disliked!
Not to mention the fact that the writters haven't proven themselves very good at writting, not all the time anyway!
So many Chloe fans fear, and with good reason, that Chloe will be sacrifised for the sake of Lois, and not in a nice fashion!
They don't want to see Chloe dead, and while they do realise that she can't take over for Lois, they still feel that there should be enough place for both Chloe and Lois in Superman universe, cos even though Chloe is a made up character, so is Lois, Lois just happens to be older, and that's no reason to get rid of Chloe by killing her at the end of the series!
So if a few Chloe fans dislike, not Lois Lane per se, but rather the current Lois caracter, have some patience with them! They are just nervous about the future of they favorite character!

monstra

11-03-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Unless everyone who watches this show receives copies of the show before it airs, I don't see how people are aware prior to the episode airing if Lois was going to be in the episode or not.

Um maybe cuz every episode that includes the Clois/Ollie triangle is pimped all over the trailers?

D.M.A.

11-03-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
You have to understand that Chloe fans/Chlois fans feel threatened by Lois because she is the one who is going to get the success in the future and marry Clark. But in terms of this thread, when Lois is signed on for only 13 episodes, it's not a surprise that we were going to get an episode without Lois at some point. This isn't news, and yet, I'm sure this kind of thread will pop up after each and every episode that Lois is not in.

And my feelings on when characters are missed or not....if you give me a good story involving Clark and Lex, I couldn't care less if Lois, Chloe or Lana are in the show. They don't make the show, IMO. Clark and Lex do. I'm a huge Lionel fan and even though Lionel wasn't in this episode, I still consider this episode one of the best in the series due to what we had a chance to see with Clark's character. I never look at this show as being better if a certain character is not in it. If Lois haters want to think of the show that way, more power to them. It will probably just make the ending of this show very dissatisfying to them. If you give me a good story about the two main characters with development, I'll be happy.
I agree,give me a good episode wit clark/lex and we can call it a day.While I like the girls at time sum do put them high up and it takes away from things.Jus as fallout,instead of clark's development we got more like/dislike threads about the girls or the ships.Tho I've commented in sum I still think at times sum get carried away wit it.The episode was good imo because of clark no one else.And no matter who was in the episode or not made no diff.As myankskent stated lionel/JG is one of the best on the show and he wasn't in fallout,yet I still thought it was great.I agree clark/lex make the show and imo the myths not who's in the episode or which ship is the cutest.If clark and lex r bein written right then the show is screwed.So I agree

BlueNRed2

11-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Definately not a fan of EDNois here so my comments are definately slanted to the antiED side. Anywho~

It might just be me, but the writers seem to have given us smaller doses/episode of Lois than in past seasons. Makes her a little more easier to endure. I've been able to tolerate her more than previous seasons despite the lightswitching to get her into journalism.

Nice breath of fresh air to see a Loisless episode from time to time. I tend to enjoy those a lot more than with ED. Now......if we can only get an episode with some Clark/Ollie interaction w/o Lois.

t.ko

11-03-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by JAMHEXXX
It did feel a little empty without Lois around, also hardly any humor except Jimmy being a retard.

LOL you are right. I love that rough wit she wryly says every now and then foreshadowing clark and making fun of him at the same time.

ms.c.

11-03-2006, 03:00 PM

It is always an improvement with she isn't around. YAY!

Kyogre

11-03-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by umm
You can't really claim that Lois is mainly disliked by Chloe fans, because you have no way of knowing that for sure!
And yes Lois is not a bad character, there are certainly worse written ones, say Lana for example; but Lois doesn't belong in Smallville, much like Jimmy doesn't or Olliver, and that's why she is disliked!
Not to mention the fact that the writters haven't proven themselves very good at writting, not all the time anyway!
So many Chloe fans fear, and with good reason, that Chloe will be sacrifised for the sake of Lois, and not in a nice fashion!
They don't want to see Chloe dead, and while they do realise that she can't take over for Lois, they still feel that there should be enough place for both Chloe and Lois in Superman universe, cos even though Chloe is a made up character, so is Lois, Lois just happens to be older, and that's no reason to get rid of Chloe by killing her at the end of the series!
So if a few Chloe fans dislike, not Lois Lane per se, but rather the current Lois caracter, have some patience with them! They are just nervous about the future of they favorite character!
i doubt they would get rid of chloe there is both room for chloe and lois in smallville

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 03:08 PM

I don't dislike Lois because of Chloe AT ALL!!! I dislike Lois because she is written poorly and is snippy, *****y and slutty.. those are my thoughts on her..

I, also, don't like Lana at all! Not because of Chloe.. but because she is a user..

Kyogre

11-03-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Rhoda123
I don't dislike Lois because of Chloe AT ALL!!! I dislike Lois because she is written poorly and is snippy, *****y and slutty.. those are my thoughts on her..

I, also, don't like Lana at all! Not because of Chloe.. but because she is a user..
i agree that she is written poorly but i dont find her ****** at all
in fact i really like her sort of witty and sarcatic character not to mention i love when she says smallville to clark
I hate lana too because she is whiny and has an awfull character

cotton candy girl

11-03-2006, 03:55 PM

Well Princess Chloe gets on my nerves, but I digress. I missed Lois somewhat last night.

torfinho

11-03-2006, 04:00 PM

lois wasnt needed in this episode, would have been to many ladies.. and what could she have done anyway? have a little chat with chloe? cant picture here in any other scene, would have been an hour episode at least if they had found somthing for her and ollie to...

But I missed here tho..

lee_the_flee

11-03-2006, 04:03 PM

I actually didn't notice Lois wasn't in this episode till I sas this thread, which only shows that I didn't miss her at all.

She's cool to have around on the show, but I sometimes I think they use her to pimp the show a bit, with her bikini scenes, or dancing in a strip club, or plunging neck lines... This time, without her, the writers delved more into what I thought was the heart of the Smallville story: clark becomming superman.

Luv Clana/Hate Lexana

11-03-2006, 04:24 PM

I love the comments Lois makes. They're hilarious but I really didn't notice she was gone... probably because I was so shocked at the lovely Clark and Lana scene but still. It was by far the best episode of the season though. Because Lois wasn't in it? Nah. The Clana!!!!

Rhoda123

11-03-2006, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by lee_the_flee
I actually didn't notice Lois wasn't in this episode till I sas this thread, which only shows that I didn't miss her at all.

She's cool to have around on the show, but I sometimes I think they use her to pimp the show a bit, with her bikini scenes, or dancing in a strip club, or plunging neck lines... This time, without her, the writers delved more into what I thought was the heart of the Smallville story: clark becomming superman.

Amen, amen and amen!!!!!!

I'm not saying Chloe is perfect but I like her character a million times better than I like the other two female characters.. Lois doesn't belong in Smallville. I think she shouldn't have ever been introduced there.. also, Lana is stupid.. I was sick of the Clana by the second season and had to endure 3 more seasons of it.. I just wish they'd get on with Clark being Superman more and leave the romantic angst in the dust especially since it looks like TPTB are never going to allow Chlark to happen..

umm

11-03-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Well Princess Chloe gets on my nerves, but I digress. I missed Lois somewhat last night.

Didn't you used to like Chloe? I am not sure, I don't usually cound which member likes which character, but as far as my memory serves me, you used to like Chloe, didn't you?:\

And if not, well I guess to each his own, although I can't understand how anybody wouldn't like Chloe! I am not saying she is perfect, but as far as the female characters go, she is by far the best written one! I mean, neither Lois nor Lana can hold a candle to her! And yes, I am a chloe fan and therefore a tad bit biased, but if you go through the season you must admit that generaly she is by far better written that the other two! Chloe and Martha are the best female roles on that show! Lois and Lana are simply all over the place, their character writting isn't consistent, it's simply poor writting!

MetroGirl06

11-03-2006, 05:01 PM

I missed Lois tonight. But her character really wasn't needed, it was still a great episode. Not because Lois wasn't there, but because Clark is finally accepting his destiny. My only complaint was the angsty lexana scenes. Now that was irritating!

I wish there were more Lana-free episodes, LOL.

truth=love

11-03-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by MetroGirl06

I wish there were more Lana-free episodes, LOL.

AlMiles love Lana too much to let that happen...Sometimes I wish someone could overrule them. LOL

thehenry89

11-03-2006, 05:07 PM

i consider any episode that's lana free to be a blessing.

cotton candy girl

11-03-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by umm
Didn't you used to like Chloe? I am not sure, I don't usually cound which member likes which character, but as far as my memory serves me, you used to like Chloe, didn't you?:\

And if not, well I guess to each his own, although I can't understand how anybody wouldn't like Chloe! I am not saying she is perfect, but as far as the female characters go, she is by far the best written one! I mean, neither Lois nor Lana can hold a candle to her! And yes, I am a chloe fan and therefore a tad bit biased, but if you go through the season you must admit that generaly she is by far better written that the other two! Chloe and Martha are the best female roles on that show! Lois and Lana are simply all over the place, their character writting isn't consistent, it's simply poor writting!

Sorry, but I like Lana better than Chloe; but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that I'm a Clana fan. Also, in some respects, Chloe's too perfect. I remember people disliking Lana because she was too "perfect", and that's kind of how I feel about Chloe. She's also the hero too often on the show, which to me doesn't make much sense. She can do things that no human without formal training should be able to do. She's a plot device.

Anyway, I'm glad they're moving Lois toward her destiny; I missed her somewhat last night.

a silent liaison

11-03-2006, 05:19 PM

Quite honestly, I was relieved to know that Lois wasn't present in Fallout. After a while, her (stale) humor becomes annoying. I think going without Lois for one episode was rather refreshing, myself.

umm

11-03-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Sorry, but I like Lana better than Chloe; but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that I'm a Clana fan. Also, in some respects, Chloe's too perfect. I remember people disliking Lana because she was too "perfect", and that's kind of how I feel about Chloe. She's also the hero too often on the show, which to me doesn't make much sense. She can do things that no human without formal training should be able to do. She's a plot device.

Anyway, I'm glad they're moving Lois toward her destiny; I missed her somewhat last night.

Like I said, to each his own!
Me, I am a diehard Chloe fan!:)

gogeta

11-03-2006, 05:34 PM

Loved the break from Lois. Looking forward to the next Lois-free ep!

ShelbyKent

11-03-2006, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Kreukie
This series went on for three full seasons WITHOUT Lois.

So those who keep going on about feeling empty without Lois, what were you doing in those three seasons?

Well, in my case, I didn't tune in to Smallville until Season 4 when Lois was introduced. Catching up on Seasons 1-3 was a bit of a chore ;)

MBCorp

11-03-2006, 11:08 PM

I missed Lois.

khufu

11-04-2006, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by MBCorp
I missed Lois. Sometimes I miss her too, but then I just reload and take another shot.

Kal-ed

11-04-2006, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by khufu
Sometimes I miss her too, but then I just reload and take another shot.

:lol: :lol: ... and Im a ED Loiser but that was still funny.

Im glad she wasnt in it, she would have been there for nothing really, and it would have wasted an ED epi so I was glad she wasnt.

chlarklove

11-04-2006, 01:03 AM

See SV and CW? That's how Smallville should really be! How great episodes can be! And would you look at that! NO "Lois" and NO Ollie/Green Arrow! *gasp* :p

Hallelujiah! Everything's better without "Lois"... she doesn't add anything substantial to the plot. Save for a few of her appearances throughout her 2+ years she's been on the show, you could take her out and replace her with another character/guest actor/extra and not a thing would change.

Originally posted by khufu
Sometimes I miss her too, but then I just reload and take another shot.

:rotfl:

Ms. Lane

11-04-2006, 01:03 AM

I personally am a Lois fan and though I did miss her in the episode, I am glad she was not in it. AS much as I love the char, I understand that she is at this point in Clark's progression a minor character. It was indeed quite nice to be able to see Clark coming closer to becoming the man he is destined to be and I hope we see more of it in the upcoming episodes.

I enjoy the fact that Lois is getting to the point where she begins to fulfill her destiny as well. Though, I admit, somewhat contrived.

I have been a fan of Lois since I was a little girl and was hesitant when I found out she would be coming to Smallville, as I am sure most people were. I felt she had no place there...but neither did Lex, if we want to get technical. By season 2 I was done with the Lana drama and had stopped watching the show. What brought be back was Lois. I enjoyed her portrayal in season 4 and have ever since. True...at times she may have been used as filler, and I was getting kind of tired of seeing her exposed all the time, but some things you just have to deal with.

I do not think Lois needs to be in every episode and I do not think that just because she is not in it, that it makes it a better episode. What makes or breaks an episode lies in the hands of a hell of a lot more people than just ED. I have seen plenty of Lois-less episodes that were lack luster...and I have seen Lois-odes that were lack luster too.

You don't like Lois? That's fine by me. You are entitled to your opinion. But in MY humble opinion, to say a show is a success merely because a character you don't like was not in it...is kind of silly.

Deana

11-04-2006, 01:12 AM

I missed Lois, but it was still a good episode. I liked seeing Jimmy and Raya. Plus any Clark development is good.

Kyogre

11-04-2006, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by MetroGirl06
My only complaint was the angsty lexana scenes. Now that was irritating!

I wish there were more Lana-free episodes, LOL.

I agree 100%

lana&Clark4ever

11-04-2006, 01:44 AM

haha at this thread...i did notice that she was gone...no wonder it was such a good episode!! that plus bow wow was in it ahehe :D

RedPhoenix23

11-04-2006, 01:48 AM

Funny thing is, I never notice when Lois is gone until I think about it later and then thank the whipcream gods, lol. She's like the new Pete, I never noticed the lack of Pete in seasons 1-3 until thinking about it later. Like "woah! Where was Pete? Pete only had one small scene? No Pete at all?" I didn't dislike Pete though, so she's not exactly like him.

Kal-ed

11-04-2006, 01:48 AM

So what now, team up against Lois?? every day I come to this forum, I feel better and better about the fact that Lois ends up with Clark. And Chloe, dead or brokenhearted and Lana, married and unhappy, and pinning for Clark.

AlwaysAround

11-04-2006, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
So what now, team up against Lois?? every day I come to this forum, I feel better and better about the fact that Lois ends up with Clark. And Chloe, dead or brokenhearted and Lana, married and unhappy, and pinning for Clark.

I hear ya. My sentiments exactly. I get sick of all the hater crap on this forum. Everyone knows who is left with Clark in the end. It's just gonna make it that much sweeter!:D ;)

They can hate and spout off all they want. It won't change a **** thing.
Al Gough and Miles Millar have spoken. They fought to try to get Lois on the show and now she is here. Lois is not going anywhere anytime soon. They are just now getting started on her path to the Daily Planet and she still has a ways to go. If the haters are expecting her to just up and leave, they're in for one heck of a long wait.:cool:

Chloe and Lana will both have bitter endings on the show. There are no silver linings or happy endings for them.

RedPhoenix23

11-04-2006, 02:49 AM

Oh please, every body teams up to pick on everyone else. Did you not notice the insane amount of Lana bashing threads for every single episode? If it's okay for one character, than they are ALL fair game. Anything less is just hypocritical.

MsSullivan

11-04-2006, 02:49 AM

I think Shelby could take her place and I wouldn't notice.

AlwaysAround

11-04-2006, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by MsSullivan
I think Shelby could take her place and I wouldn't notice.
That would actually be more fitting for Chloe since she is Clark's seeing eye dog. The man can't even use his powers on his own without having her show him how it's done. She probably had to show him schematic drawings just so he could do the deed with Lana.:rotfl:

Chloe: "No Clark there's nothing wrong. It's supposed to do that." :rolleyes:

Kal-ed

11-04-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Oh please, every body teams up to pick on everyone else. Did you not notice the insane amount of Lana bashing threads for every single episode? If it's okay for one character, than they are ALL fair game. Anything less is just hypocritical.

I meant the thread itself, and any other thread of this sort about any character I really disagree, its ok if in the mist of discussion people start bashing away against a character, belive me Lois and Lana are up there as the most hated females (btw why isnt a lot of male character bashing, when the flaws are just as grave and as evident as in female characters) anyway, I dont like thread like No Lois, great episode, or Who thinks Lana should get impaled again, thos kinds of threads, anyway dont wan to get into it much cause talking about the thread is against the rules, but Imo, Threads specificaly created to bash, or put down any character should also be against the rules.

MsSullivan

11-04-2006, 03:11 AM

Well Chloe is playing the typical Lois Lane role (would you call any other version of Lois Lane a seeing eye dog?).

to quote the great Ching from LnC:

"He would've failed without Lane's help! No doubt he would put that ridiculous suit of his on backwards if she wasn't around!"

And why are we talking about Chloe? Its a Lois thread.

ShelbyKent

11-04-2006, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
So what now, team up against Lois??
It won't be Kryptonsite without the daily dose of Lois bashing. *sighs* I think there is a daily quota ;)
Originally posted by Ms. Lane
I do not think Lois needs to be in every episode and I do not think that just because she is not in it, that it makes it a better episode. What makes or breaks an episode lies in the hands of a hell of a lot more people than just ED. I have seen plenty of Lois-less episodes that were lack luster...and I have seen Lois-odes that were lack luster too.

You don't like Lois? That's fine by me. You are entitled to your opinion. But in MY humble opinion, to say a show is a success merely because a character you don't like was not in it...is kind of silly.

Well put. I agree. It's normal for people to feel passionately about their favorite characters. But when it comes to judging the quality of an episode, a cast roll call is not on the top of my list. I'd usually ask myself how well it fits with the previous episode and whether it jives with the current plot arc of the series. But hey that's just me.

Kal-ed

11-04-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by MsSullivan

"He would've failed without Lane's help! No doubt he would put that ridiculous suit of his on backwards if she wasn't around!"

That was meant as a cute/funny coment, but in SV it would actually have a literal meaning.

Lois is not Clarks eye dog, they are an equal couple that come help and complement eachother, and I wouldnt take LnC canon as importatn anyway cause IMO TH was way way to girly girly for ILL.

MsSullivan

11-04-2006, 03:28 AM

Well it was funny, but Ching meant it. Lois gave Superman the idea to be at two places at the same time. Ching recognizes the importance of Lois to Superman.

BINGO! they compliment each other. That's exactly the Chloe/Clark relationship. Chloe researches and Clark saves the day :)

You can pick and choose canon, LnC although at times corny is a Superman show. And I LOVE Teri's Lois!

SnarkMasterJ

11-04-2006, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by myankskent
You have to understand that Chloe fans/Chlois fans feel threatened by Lois because she is the one who is going to get the success in the future and marry Clark.

You can't make generalized statements about a character fanbase. You have no way of proving that what you say is true, so there's no need to even bring it up.

That said, I had no problem with EDLois's absence from the ep. It doesn't need a whole thread, since I'm perfectly content being happy all to myself, but since it's here -- yes, the ep without her was nice. And I didn't miss her.

Kal-ed

11-04-2006, 04:18 AM

But ask yourselves, was it good, cause she wasnt there, or was it a good episode, that had nothing to do with Lois not being there??

SOTK

11-04-2006, 06:30 AM

Personally, I enjoy it when Lois is around although I agree with some other fans that I didn't notice her absence. This isn't Erica Durance's fault. They have barely scratched the surface with regards to character formation with her. That's the problem. We generally get so little of her that we barely notice when she isn't in an episode. If they spent more time on developing her character, we would know her more.

Personally, I have enjoyed the banter between Lois and Clark (when it's depicted). If they spent more time on this and depicted a burdgeoning friendship between Lois and Clark as well as brought more depth to the character of Lois, we would all miss her when she fails to be a main character in an episode.

I will say that I am glad that Lois is finally getting into journalism and developing her identity. I just wish there was more of this. I hope this Season will really be the Season for her!

Naomi

11-04-2006, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Oh please, every body teams up to pick on everyone else. Did you not notice the insane amount of Lana bashing threads for every single episode? If it's okay for one character, than they are ALL fair game. Anything less is just hypocritical.
I agree. Why do people care so much if not everyone has a high opinion of Lois? It's not like the title doesn't make it pretty clear that it's an anti-Lois thread, so people don't need to visit if it bothers them. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

There's plenty of bashing of other characters like Lana, fans disliking a character isn't some new thing. Yet when it comes to Lois, there's now complaints that anti threads should be banned :confused:

Originally posted by SnarkMasterJ
It doesn't need a whole thread, since I'm perfectly content being happy all to myself, but since it's here -- yes, the ep without her was nice.

Yep :lol:

Timester

11-04-2006, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Naomi
I agree. Why do people care so much if not everyone has a high opinion of Lois? It's not like the title doesn't make it pretty clear that it's an anti-Lois thread, so people don't need to visit if it bothers them. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

You pretty much answered to yourself. Fan-camping (pro or anti) threads are against the rules and for a good reason. They don't bring nothing more that flame wars, I was here where them happened.

And no, I don't see the title as clear fan camping thread because not only is against the rules but is just an opinion that people might agree or not and talk about it.

MBCorp

11-04-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I meant the thread itself, and any other thread of this sort about any character I really disagree, its ok if in the mist of discussion people start bashing away against a character, belive me Lois and Lana are up there as the most hated females (btw why isnt a lot of male character bashing, when the flaws are just as grave and as evident as in female characters)

In most fandoms the female characters are bashed far, far more than the male characters. You just don't get the widespread hatred for male characters that you do for female characters. I don't know if it's just that female characters aren't as well written or some sort of inherent sexism still prevalent in our culture or shipping concerns or what (and I'm talking about fandoms in general, and not just SV here). In most fandoms the female characters are pitted against one another by the fans in a way that male characters just aren't.

I agree. Why do people care so much if not everyone has a high opinion of Lois? It's not like the title doesn't make it pretty clear that it's an anti-Lois thread, so people don't need to visit if it bothers them. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

It's against kryptonsite rules to make pro or anti threads.

Originally posted by Timester
And no, I don't see the title as clear fan camping thread because not only is against the rules but is just an opinion that people might agree or not and talk about it.

Exactly. It's an opinion and people are free to come on the thread and disagree with that opinion.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-04-2006, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by MBCorp
In most fandoms the female characters are bashed far, far more than the male characters. You just don't get the widespread hatred for male characters that you do for female characters. I don't know if it's just that female characters aren't as well written or some sort of inherent sexism still prevalent in our culture or shipping concerns or what (and I'm talking about fandoms in general, and not just SV here). In most fandoms the female characters are pitted against one another by the fans in a way that male characters just aren't.
I wasn't aware of that fact.
I bash Temp Lois because she is a terrible example of a young woman and worst a terrible example for ILL,IMO.
But if I would had been on the net by the time we had Redk run I would had bashed Clark as well so at least in my case is not sexism I just have high standards for the heros. I personally love Lex but he is a villains so if he is able to have the flaws that I associate with evilness. I just started to bash Lana recently because I'm just sick of her and her sudden interest in astronomy was the last straw (kind of the Temp Lois LS make me feel like bashing her)...Is an interesting phenomena we should open a thread to discuss it, since I'm off topic:
Back on topic.
Yay a no Temp Lois episode GREAT!!!! :D

Nightingale20

11-04-2006, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Ms. Lane
I personally am a Lois fan and though I did miss her in the episode, I am glad she was not in it. AS much as I love the char, I understand that she is at this point in Clark's progression a minor character. It was indeed quite nice to be able to see Clark coming closer to becoming the man he is destined to be and I hope we see more of it in the upcoming episodes.

I do not think Lois needs to be in every episode and I do not think that just because she is not in it, that it makes it a better episode. What makes or breaks an episode lies in the hands of a hell of a lot more people than just ED. I have seen plenty of Lois-less episodes that were lack luster...and I have seen Lois-odes that were lack luster too.

You don't like Lois? That's fine by me. You are entitled to your opinion. But in MY humble opinion, to say a show is a success merely because a character you don't like was not in it...is kind of silly.

Completely agree.

smallvilleobsessor17

11-04-2006, 11:02 AM

This was a wonderfully refreshing episode. Man oh man does Lois grate on my nerves. It was also nice not to see the GA. Isn't this show supposed to be about Clark Kent? Why are there so many different character-based episodes all of a sudden?

Absolute Kingdom

11-04-2006, 11:10 AM

Another typical thread: Tales from the Sith Holocron. :lol:

khufu

11-04-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by AlwaysAround
I hear ya. My sentiments exactly. I get sick of all the hater crap on this forum. Everyone knows who is left with Clark in the end. It's just gonna make it that much sweeter!:D ;)Just like we know for a fact that Lex cannot get Lana pregnant, right? I mean, it's not in any other canon, so how could it possibly happen on Smallville, a show which follows canon to the letter!!!

They can hate and spout off all they want. It won't change a **** thing.
Al Gough and Miles Millar have spoken. They fought to try to get Lois on the show and now she is here.Not true at all. Gough/Millar wanted to have Lois on the show before the series first started, but they were not allowed - so they made Chloe instead. After that, having Lois was NOT something they particularly cared about, and it was Ancier at the WB who insisted she be on the show. So, make of that what you will....

Lois is not going anywhere anytime soon. They are just now getting started on her path to the Daily Planet and she still has a ways to go. If the haters are expecting her to just up and leave, they're in for one heck of a long wait.:cool:Actually, that's not true either. She is leaving for several episodes after Justice because ED has to shoot a movie. That's not that long to wait :D

Chloe and Lana will both have bitter endings on the show. There are no silver linings or happy endings for them. Wow, you should get lottery numbers from that crystal ball you have. Oh, what's that you say? 4... 8... 15... 16... 23... 42? Sweet, I'm gonna go play those right now, thanks!

Timester

11-04-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by khufu
Just like we know for a fact that Lex cannot get Lana pregnant, right? I mean, it's not in any other canon, so how could it possibly happen on Smallville, a show which follows canon to the letter!!!

There are several layers of canon, you know? The one that you are trying to ignore/deny is the one that exists since Action Comics #1, back in old 1938.

AlMiles established three objectives:

- Clark will become Superman. (canon since June 1938)
- Lois will be Clark/Superman love interest. (canon since June 1938)
- Lex will become evil. (canon since May 1940)

They actually did set these rules of two things, one, it's the basis of Superman story, everyone knows them, and two, believe it or not, they are the only 3 things that didn't changed since they first appeared.

Originally posted by khufu Not true at all. Gough/Millar wanted to have Lois on the show before the series first started, but they were not allowed - so they made Chloe instead. After that, having Lois was NOT something they particularly cared about, and it was Ancier at the WB who insisted she be on the show. So, make of that what you will....

Actually, also not true. AlMiles did wanted Lois on the show even before season 3. I clearly remember an Al Gough interview where he says they wanted Lois, but the features division said "No". Lois only came on season 4 because Ancier fought for it AND Singer took control of the Superman movie. Now, getting that interview is quite impossible because K-Site was cleaned since then.

Deviant

11-04-2006, 04:35 PM

I am a HUGE Clois fan but I must agree that to this show, this story line she doesn't have any place being there.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for a Clois relationship...when they are both reporters in Metropolis. Not sooner.

jmf1

11-04-2006, 05:07 PM

I would have loved to have seen Lois when Raya showed up at the Kent Farm with Clark and saw that he had a real connection to Raya. Would have been interesting to see if any jealousy feelings came up for Lois with respect to Raya being close to her farm boy.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-04-2006, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by jmf1
I would have loved to have seen Lois when Raya showed up at the Kent Farm with Clark and saw that he had a real connection to Raya. Would have been interesting to see if any jealousy feelings came up for Lois with respect to Raya being close to her farm boy.
Actually I would had liked that too. Since I got the theory that Temp Lois has a thing for Clark, IMO.

Farm_Girl

11-04-2006, 10:08 PM

A Lois bashing thread in a non-Lois episode too:eek:

SteveS

11-05-2006, 12:30 AM

I wouldn't call it 'lois-bashing' but something more like an appreciation of her absence thread.

Maybe her absence will make hearts grow fonder towards her.

Probably not.

Mysticlies

11-05-2006, 12:44 AM

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Ares

11-05-2006, 01:40 AM

I would like to see less of Martha she really is annoying. She wasnt so bad Seasons 1-5. But shes gotten annoying now. I think what helped her was Johnathan. He made her less annoying.. But now that hes gone .. which still sucks.. shes annoying.

Kal-ed

11-05-2006, 05:38 AM

I still think this board breaks rule 21), but thats just my intrepretation of the rule.

And I think this epi was great, specially Clark realizing he needed to fullfill his destiny, but it had nothing to do with the fact Lois wasnt there.

Timester

11-05-2006, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
I still think this board breaks rule 21), but thats just my intrepretation of the rule.

Far from it. Like I said before, it's an opinion of someone and we are free to agree or disagree with it, like in the many others threads. I would be a hypocrite if I said the opposite.

Kal-ed

11-05-2006, 06:20 AM

Diferent opinons, I dont mind at all, Character bashing, I mind but still I wont complain, it would be hypocrite of my part as well, but I dont actually create threads that, by title, exclude diferent minded posters, I like ED, and I went came in to the thread to state my opinion, but that doesnt change the fact that the title itself calls for a specific crowd of people who dislike Lois (and thus excluding people who like Lois).

And "Far from it"??? I would at best say the thread is ambigously going against the 21st rule.

Although (and ironicaly enough) Im violating the 10th rule by discussing this:D.

And Timester, it was actually your post that reminded me this thread was against the non fan camping rule, even if you latter in your post say it doesnt, which kind of made no sense to me. IMO its clearly, if not recluting, at least this thread excludes people who like Lois. Of course people who like Lois can come in and post (and we did), but the title is still excluding.

Originally posted by Timester
Far from it. Like I said before, it's an opinion of someone and we are free to agree or disagree with it, like in the many others threads. I would be a hypocrite if I said the opposite.

Yeah, your right, but then, based on what you said, rule 21 is completely useless, cause, I can make a thread called:

"All Lex lovers and Clark haters come in to this thread and bash Clark, the rest stay out"

And still anyone could come in and state their opinion and all would be fine.

But the thread (and thats what the rule says) would still be excluding and would also be recruiting fans who sare my opinion and shutting out the ones that dont.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-05-2006, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Ares
I would like to see less of Martha she really is annoying. She wasnt so bad Seasons 1-5. But shes gotten annoying now. I think what helped her was Johnathan. He made her less annoying.. But now that hes gone .. which still sucks.. shes annoying.
You know what I'm not a fan of the new free-of-Jonathan-Martha, even if Mionel is sexy and interesting the fact that she is flirting with him at such a short time after her husband died is very disturbing for me. I wouldn't like them to cut her screen time but I will like her to show some afterthoughs over Lionel and her, IMO.

cotton candy girl

11-05-2006, 10:04 AM

Farm_Girl

11-05-2006, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl Move Chloe off to the side[/B]

She already is on the side, always have been. She has been presented exactly the way she should be, as Clark's sidekick and a best friend.

I've loved her always (except the OOC's lately) but never saw her as a main character let alone as a contender for Clark's affections. I don't know why she is put into the same league as Lana and Lois. Lana is Clark's past lover and Lois is the future. Where does Chloe fit into the equation? Honestly, nowhere.

Chloe is a lovable character, i.e., when she is not acting Super-Chloe, but I never saw her as a main character around which the entire story revolves or something.

On the contrary, Chloe is the only one whose storyline is always dependant on Clark's character. Reason being, she was created to keep Clark in touch with journalism. When the Daily Planet set is shown, it is a future anvil for Clark that he will work here someday (not at the basement).

It never had anything to do with Chloe. If the writers wanted to show what Chloe is doing, they'd have shown us what she is doing at the DP. We never come to know what she has done or how much she has achieved for the past two years as a journalist. The writers will never show it because it is not nesseccary to the main story of the show.

On the contrary, if you see, Lois's both bylines have been shown on the screen. Her Arrow byline, caused a major stir in the entire city. She gave OQ the name 'Green Arrow'. It was only her first major story and she even got kidnapped and almost killed.

Now why would the writers show all this? Because Lois Lane is the major part of mythos, she is Clark's future wife and her struggle, her work, and her achievement matters to this story.

If you have noticed, Lois's entry and struggle into journalism is dealt as a entire separate plot in the story, completely independent of Clark. Because her story remains a separate story in the mythos, until she comes together with Clark. She has to have a place of her own in the story because she is the second most important character of the story after Clark, her struggle is as important as Clark's.

Whereas with Chloe, there is no separate storyline concept. If you detach her from Clark, she's nothing. Chloe's independent struggle for stories have nothing to do with the story of Smallville. Therefore, they'll never be shown.

I think Chloe fits well as Clark's best friend who always has a crush on him, and that is her right place.

Crazy-Lion22

11-05-2006, 11:23 AM

If Lois was in this episode people would say that the ratings went down because of her. So since she is not in this one should we all just blame Chloe or Lana?

SteveS

11-05-2006, 11:31 AM

"Finally we get a glimpse of Smallville without Lois and it looked pretty good!! That's another Chlois sighting, Jimmy trying to work for Chloe(Lois). Enough with the Green Goblin or Green Arrow storyline. Now he's about to start juicing with something that probably cntains kryptonite. Give me a break!!"

This is the original post of this thread and it is a statement of opinion. There is nothing in it that even begins to imply that loisettes can't respond, therefore, no breaking of any commandments.

Now there have been several threads in the past created by lois-lovers who only wanted their little friends of like opinion in the room and they stated their exclusivity at the beginning.

Feel free to post your opposing opinion to the threads title and if overly concerned post a message openly the the moderators as to whether you are exluded from posting in thread or not.

Timester

11-05-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Kal-ed
Diferent opinons, I dont mind at all, Character bashing, I mind but still I wont complain, it would be hypocrite of my part as well, but I dont actually create threads that, by title, exclude diferent minded posters, I like ED, and I went came in to the thread to state my opinion, but that doesnt change the fact that the title itself calls for a specific crowd of people who dislike Lois (and thus excluding people who like Lois).

And "Far from it"??? I would at best say the thread is ambigously going against the 21st rule.

Although (and ironicaly enough) Im violating the 10th rule by discussing this:D.

And Timester, it was actually your post that reminded me this thread was against the non fan camping rule, even if you latter in your post say it doesnt, which kind of made no sense to me. IMO its clearly, if not recluting, at least this thread excludes people who like Lois. Of course people who like Lois can come in and post (and we did), but the title is still excluding.

Yeah, your right, but then, based on what you said, rule 21 is completely useless, cause, I can make a thread called:

"All Lex lovers and Clark haters come in to this thread and bash Clark, the rest stay out"

And still anyone could come in and state their opinion and all would be fine.

But the thread (and thats what the rule says) would still be excluding and would also be recruiting fans who sare my opinion and shutting out the ones that dont.

You are reading too much into the topic. The OP is far from a fan camp thread, it merely stating an opinion (which I disagree, by the way). No where in the OP says that this thread is only for Lois bashers or whatever. Quite the opposite.

But, anyway, only the mods can have the final word.

Edit: Darn, I was too slow, SteveS already explained it. :p

myankskent

11-05-2006, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Farm_Girl
She already is on the side, always have been. She has been presented exactly the way she should be, as Clark's sidekick and a best friend.

I've loved her always (except the OOC's lately) but never saw her as a main character let alone as a contender for Clark's affections. I don't know why she is put into the same league as Lana and Lois. Lana is Clark's past lover and Lois is the future. Where does Chloe fit into the equation? Honestly, nowhere.

Chloe is a lovable character, i.e., when she is not acting Super-Chloe, but I never saw her as a main character around which the entire story revolves or something.

On the contrary, Chloe is the only one whose storyline is always dependant on Clark's character. Reason being, she was created to keep Clark in touch with journalism. When the Daily Planet set is shown, it is a future anvil for Clark that he will work here someday (not at the basement).

It never had anything to do with Chloe. If the writers wanted to show what Chloe is doing, they'd have shown us what she is doing at the DP. We never come to know what she has done or how much she has achieved for the past two years as a journalist. The writers will never show it because it is not nesseccary to the main story of the show.

On the contrary, if you see, Lois's both bylines have been shown on the screen. Her Arrow byline, caused a major stir in the entire city. She gave OQ the name 'Green Arrow'. It was only her first major story and she even got kidnapped and almost killed.

Now why would the writers show all this? Because Lois Lane is the major part of mythos, she is Clark's future wife and her struggle, her work, and her achievement matters to this story.

If you have noticed, Lois's entry and struggle into journalism is dealt as a entire separate plot in the story, completely independent of Clark. Because her story remains a separate story in the mythos, until she comes together with Clark. She has to have a place of her own in the story because she is the second most important character of the story after Clark, her struggle is as important as Clark's.

Whereas with Chloe, there is no separate storyline concept. If you detach her from Clark, she's nothing. Chloe's independent struggle for stories have nothing to do with the story of Smallville. Therefore, they'll never be shown.

I think Chloe fits well as Clark's best friend who always has a crush on him, and that is her right place.

You raise some good points. I think the fact that Chloe appears in most of the episodes, that makes her a main character, however, she's not in a lot of the major arcs where the arc, in particular, is about her. There was the Lionel arc and that's about it. That being said, Lois hasn't had any major arcs either. The Chief of staff and Campaign manager arc had more to do with Jonathan and Martha than with Lois. This GA arc is big for Lois because it details her journalism. But when talking about Chloe, she is meant to be Clark's best friend who knows about his secret, especially of late.

chlarkfan333

11-05-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
You raise some good points. I think the fact that Chloe appears in most of the episodes, that makes her a main character, however, she's not in a lot of the major arcs where the arc, in particular, is about her. There was the Lionel arc and that's about it. That being said, Lois hasn't had any major arcs either. The Chief of staff and Campaign manager arc had more to do with Jonathan and Martha than with Lois. This GA arc is big for Lois because it details her journalism. But when talking about Chloe, she is meant to be Clark's best friend who knows about his secret, especially of late.

Except that Chloe is apparently going to get tangled up in the Luthors' nefarious affairs once again this season . That seems like a mighty big arc to me, especially given that she's going to be playing the investigative journalist. again.

myankskent

11-05-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
Except that Chloe is apparently going to get tangled up in the Luthors' nefarious affairs once again this season . That seems like a mighty big arc to me, especially given that she's going to be playing the investigative journalist. again.

Which is potentially a bad sign for her character. Remember, Chloe got away with a lot so far with Lex. She slammed him into a cave wall, he knows that she is aware of Clark's secret and she also threatened him in Fragile if he hurt Lana. Then also factor in what Jimmy did this episode with dropping her name with Lex putting her back on Lex's radar. I wouldn't be too confident that Chloe will be able to get out of another dangerous spot with Lex this season as she has in the past, especially if this season really is "The rise of Lex Luthor."

chlarkfan333

11-05-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
Which is potentially a bad sign for her character. Remember, Chloe got away with a lot so far with Lex. She slammed him into a cave wall, he knows that she is aware of Clark's secret and she also threatened him in Fragile if he hurt Lana. Then also factor in what Jimmy did this episode with dropping her name with Lex putting her back on Lex's radar. I wouldn't be too confident that Chloe will be able to get out of another dangerous spot with Lex this season as she has in the past, especially if this season really is "The rise of Lex Luthor."

I don't disagree. I was merely pointing out that Chloe will have a major arc this season, which is about her.

myankskent

11-05-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
I don't disagree. I was merely pointing out that Chloe will have a major arc this season, which is about her.

Yes, I do agree with that.

CK&CK

11-05-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Move Chloe off to the side, and move Lois into her rightful place, investigating alongside Clark.

That show's out on DVD....in case I haven't mentioned it before. And it's under the L's not the S's........wouldn't want you looking in the wrong place now......would we? ; )

umm

11-05-2006, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by CK&CK
That show's out on DVD....in case I haven't mentioned it before. And it's under the L's not the S's........wouldn't want you looking in the wrong place now......would we? ; )

Exactly! If one wants to see Lois investigating crimes and mysteries together with Clark, one should rent 'The Adventures of Lois and Clark' or the Superman movies! This however is 'Smallville', where Chloe is Clark's partner!

ginnyfan

11-05-2006, 05:21 PM

You know I think the key to Lois-less episodes is to make them really Superman heavy. It reminds me of Run in Season 4. There's nothing like Clark's destiny to stave off the Lois withdrawal.

That's my opinion anyway. :)

Of course having both in one episode is even better. :D

cotton candy girl

11-05-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by umm
This however is 'Smallville', where Chloe is Clark's partner!

Has been less and will hopefully be even less.

shirkie

11-05-2006, 07:13 PM

LOL nice icon, cotton candy girl. ;)

I didn't even notice Lois wasn't in the episode until I read this thread... Shows how much she factors into my viewing experience, heh.

As long as I gots my Chloe, it's all good.
shirkie

velocity

11-05-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Has been less and will hopefully be even less.
amen to that.

Mbeer769

11-05-2006, 08:17 PM

Perhaps im just a cold-hearted kinda guy, but I could care less if Lois, Chloe, Lana, or the Green Arrow are in any more episodes, considering the only 2 characters that should be considered, "main" are Clark and Lex. Clark being the more prevelent one of the two, considering the show is about him growing up.

Hell, bring back Pete, I actually liked his character.

But honestly, Lois or no Lois, doesn't affect me watching either way.

I liked the Ending of this episode, and most of the story, but I didn't like the random guest star (Bow Wow).

And what did happen to Shelby?

look_ma_no_pants

11-05-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Rhoda123
Okay, please don't blast me because this is just my opinion but I prefer no Lois in Smallville.. she serves no purpose.. she is Clark/Superman's future.. she doesn't belong in Smallville..

exactly how i feel. i don't even understand why lois is on the show. i would never pretend to think that the show has to follow the comics, especially for chloe's sake, but i think this is a little too much. every time there's that weird sexual tension between lois and clark i want to change the channel. not yet. not for a long time.

cmm

11-05-2006, 08:30 PM

I'm with the crowd that says they didnt' even notice that lois was gone this eppy I did however notice that martha was missing LOL! Which is ironic, it's not that I hate the character of Lois I really don't I just wish they wouldn't of introduced her in smallville. They could of introduced her this season by having Chloe introduce her to Clark and say this is my cousin Lois. She's on the first floor (or whatever floor she's on since chloe's in the basement) and her then be snarky with Clark. A twist yes but not as much of a twist and what they did with introducing her back when Chloe supposedly died. Everything would of made more sense. The writers have really butchered the character to the point that even when they write her as doing what she should be doing people are still finding it difficult to accept her.

eas

11-05-2006, 08:53 PM

I'm with the crowd that missed Lois like crazy. The episode was fine without her (I don't think she was needed for this particular plot) but I miss her when she's not there. She just makes watching "SV" more fun b/c she's one of the best characters on the show.

And "Smallville" is about Clark and Chloe? That's funny -- I thought "Smallville" was about Clark Kent's journey towards becoming Superman. Silly me.

Chloe doesn't even serve any purpose in any episode except as the character who gives the audience the exposition it needs to know what's going on with the plot. She doesn't even matter, in the big picture, b/c she just runs in to expound on what's going on (i.e. draw a map for Clark to explain what he needs to do... ) and then runs out. She served her purpose in this episode quite well. And I'm sure she'll continue to do so, given that TPTB have no desire to give her an actual plot or personality outside of Clark Kent.

Personally, even though I miss her when's she's not around, I love that Lois only comes in an episode where she's actually doing something & not just serving as useless "plot advancement". And has a role outside of Clark.

SteveS

11-05-2006, 09:38 PM

Actually, Chloe is the catalyst for much of ClarkMan's saving of lives,but I would expect loisettes to want to ignore that rather obvious reality.

lois does serve a purpose on Smallville and the promotions picture says it all..., her arched back and thrust out boob...something for the 'awesome' people to ogle but of no consequence beyond that thrust out chest.

That is followed by the simplistic low-level 'humor' that comes out of lois' mouth that is the Smallville writer's efforts at comedy, usually given the grandiosely puffed up compliment as hilarity when it rarely goes beyond a chuckle.

There is not enough depth to the lois character, intelligence or wisdom for it to be of much worth. Expect more arched-back and thrust out bosom in future episodes to show yet again the real purpose of lois in Smallville: a boob on two different levels.

Mbeer769

11-05-2006, 10:37 PM

I've got an idea, how bout people stop whining bout the characters on the show, and just watch.

It's for entertainment, that's it.

There's no need for long winded debates about this character is dumb, and this character has the personality of a wet dish rag.

That and bashing Lois or Chloe actually doesn't belong on this thread, it's asking your opinion of the episode without lois in it, no need to bash anyone.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-05-2006, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Mbeer769
And what did happen to Shelby?

Nobody knows we think he is living with Pete, Gabe, Lucas and Nell in a pretty house located in offscreenville :D

Ireallylikethisshow

11-06-2006, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Polomontana
Finally we get a glimpse of Smallville without Lois and it looked pretty good!! That's another Chlois sighting, Jimmy trying to work for Chloe(Lois). Enough with the Green Goblin or Green Arrow storyline. Now he's about to start juicing with something that probably cntains kryptonite. Give me a break!!

I actually like the Green Arrow storyline.

Actually, this was one of my least favorite episodes. The plot was kinda boring, I prefer the Green Arrow one much more. And I like Lois on the show. She makes it funny.

eas

11-06-2006, 10:11 AM

^

I like the GA storyline, as well. I think that it was a good call bringing him in to spice things up & break up the repetative nature of the FotW plots. I remember in the animated series (S:TAS) some of my favorite episodes were the ones that featured Batman. You can learn a lot about Clark/Superman by the way he interacts with other heroes. A lot of issues come up that wouldn't come up in just random encounters with the villian of the week. Just because a new hero comes to town doesn't take the focus away from Superman/Clark. Sometimes it even helps show why Superman is the best hero. Why he's the most just and moral out of all of them.

There was this awesome episode of "JLU" where the differences between Clark & the rest of the JL were highlighted. Superman dies at the hands of the Toyman & Wonder Woman is about to kill the Toyman because of it. The Flash stops her and says, "Don't kill him. We don't do that." And Wonder Woman gives him an angry look and says, "Speak for yourself." And the Flash responds quietly, "I'm trying to speak for Superman."

Ollie being in this show, for me, helps us see that Clark Kent in the SV verse is someone who would say that. When I watch Clark interact with him, I can see him becoming the Superman of the future who inspires other heroes like that. So, yeah, I think that bringing the GA/Ollie on the show was a good thing. He's definitely helping develop Clark's character.

Kal-ed

11-06-2006, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by chlarkfan333
I don't disagree. I was merely pointing out that Chloe will have a major arc this season, which is about her.

Well we still have to wait and see how this plays out, is it Chloe investigating the level 33.1 the arc, or is it more about Lex becoming the evil bastard we all know him to be and Chloe again is just a plot device, someone the writers will use to show Lex´s wrong doings.

Originally posted by Polomontana
Finally we get a glimpse of Smallville without Lois and it looked pretty good!! That's another Chlois sighting, Jimmy trying to work for Chloe(Lois). Enough with the Green Goblin or Green Arrow storyline. Now he's about to start juicing with something that probably cntains kryptonite. Give me a break!!

This is not the Chlois thread, and to me it seemed the other way around Jimmy was trying to get Chloe to work for him, pretty inversed roles than with ILL. At that point, Jimmy was working in the bullpen, above Chloe (he then, ofcourse, got demoted) but when he asked Chloe, it was HIS scoop, and he wanted Chloe to help him, not the other way around.

Naomi

11-06-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Crazy-Lion22
If Lois was in this episode people would say that the ratings went down because of her. So since she is not in this one should we all just blame Chloe or Lana?
I thought that Fallout ratings were the best since Zod? :confused:

cotton candy girl

11-06-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by shirkie
LOL nice icon, cotton candy girl. ;)

Thank you ma'am. :D

umm

11-06-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Has been less and will hopefully be even less.

:) From your mouth out into the world to hopefully be ignored by TPTB!:)

Originally posted by SteveS
Actually, Chloe is the catalyst for much of ClarkMan's saving of lives,but I would expect loisettes to want to ignore that rather obvious reality.

lois does serve a purpose on Smallville and the promotions picture says it all..., her arched back and thrust out boob...something for the 'awesome' people to ogle but of no consequence beyond that thrust out chest.

That is followed by the simplistic low-level 'humor' that comes out of lois' mouth that is the Smallville writer's efforts at comedy, usually given the grandiosely puffed up compliment as hilarity when it rarely goes beyond a chuckle.

There is not enough depth to the lois character, intelligence or wisdom for it to be of much worth. Expect more arched-back and thrust out bosom in future episodes to show yet again the real purpose of lois in Smallville: a boob on two different levels.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh, that's just too good! :)

Ireallylikethisshow

11-06-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by SteveS
Actually, Chloe is the catalyst for much of ClarkMan's saving of lives,but I would expect loisettes to want to ignore that rather obvious reality.

lois does serve a purpose on Smallville and the promotions picture says it all..., her arched back and thrust out boob...something for the 'awesome' people to ogle but of no consequence beyond that thrust out chest.

That is followed by the simplistic low-level 'humor' that comes out of lois' mouth that is the Smallville writer's efforts at comedy, usually given the grandiosely puffed up compliment as hilarity when it rarely goes beyond a chuckle.

There is not enough depth to the lois character, intelligence or wisdom for it to be of much worth. Expect more arched-back and thrust out bosom in future episodes to show yet again the real purpose of lois in Smallville: a boob on two different levels.

Chloe does have a role in Clark's helping people. But that's not always a good thing. He's Superman- he should be able to save people on his own. And he takes advantage of the fact that she helps him too. It stunts development for 'both' characters. Chloe and Clark both deserve better.

And... I thought all the cast photos were good. Except maybe a bit dark. Especially TW, he looked very angry. lol. But that's not the only purpose of Lois on the show. She's becoming a reporter, and getting involved in her boyfriend's life and trying to make her way up from The Inquistor hopefully.

But I like Chloe and Lois both. I want 'both' to be in episodes.

Gaussian

11-06-2006, 06:27 PM

I really didn't miss her, either.

But, I also don't hate this Lois.

She's actually rather fun.

And, in many ways much more supportative than Lana has ever been.

My only real beef with her is that I can't imagine this Clark Kent ever falling in love with her.

She seems so different from the kind of girl he's interested in.

I keep waiting for the writers to put Clark and Lois in a situation that really makes him..... and US see her in a different light.

Something that would take his breath away.....something that would tell him this is THE girl.

So far that hasn't happened.

Maybe, that's why we don't love this Lois.

They haven't shown us WHY he's going to fall for her.

Xsmallville_obsessedX

11-07-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Gaussian
I really didn't miss her, either.

But, I also don't hate this Lois.

She's actually rather fun.

And, in many ways much more supportative than Lana has ever been.

My only real beef with her is that I can't imagine this Clark Kent ever falling in love with her.

She seems so different from the kind of girl he's interested in.

I keep waiting for the writers to put Clark and Lois in a situation that really makes him..... and US see her in a different light.

Something that would take his breath away.....something that would tell him this is THE girl.

So far that hasn't happened.

Maybe, that's why we don't love this Lois.

They haven't shown us WHY he's going to fall for her.

I agree with you, except for the fact that I did miss Lois in the episode. But, you make a good point about the writers needing to show more 'romantic' interaction between Clark and Lois so we can see exactly why Lois is 'the one'.

elway

11-07-2006, 11:19 AM

ED said on Howard Stern that just as in Lois and Clark the series. When they got together the show went srt8 down the toilet. She was hinting that the writers are aware of this. So were not gonna get too much Lois and CK on SV till the very end.

chlark=destiny

11-07-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Well Princess Chloe gets on my nerves, but I digress. I missed Lois somewhat last night.

So, "Princess Chloe" got your nerves, huh? :rolleyes: Well, try THREE SEASONS of THE REAL "EDNOIS" LANE :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh, by the way love your avatar. . .NOT!

Kal-ed

11-07-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by elway
ED said on Howard Stern that just as in Lois and Clark the series. When they got together the show went srt8 down the toilet. She was hinting that the writers are aware of this. So were not gonna get too much Lois and CK on SV till the very end.

LnC went down the toilette cause the relationship was the main arc, in SV its not, Sure the romance takes a huge importance in SV, sometimes to the point it overshadows the real main plot, but still, SV is about becoming superman and even if there is Clois at some point next season, the show doesnt have to end, cause Clois does not equal Superman and the REAL SV endline is Clark becoming SUperman, after that , then yes, things would go down the toilette if the series were to continue, although I highly doubt that would ever happen.

And I think the fact that Lois doesnt take his bull, nor is she condesending towards Clark but yet, when the ocation called for it she was there for him should be enough to have Clark noticing she is special and diferent from what he is used to.

People think Lois being such an "a$$" to Clark is a proof that she doesnt like Clark or that they will never be a good couple and that Chloe is better cause she is supportive, or Lana cause she worships him (at least used to) and fail to see that this hard headed Lois is the same comic LL that Clark married in the comics, Lois was seldom nice to Clark before they started dating, doesnt mean she hated or thought less of him but cause thats her personality, the one that got Clark to fall for her, I see SV Lois just as the comic Lois, telling off Superman and giving him a sense of reality when he is in need of one, I dont see either Lana or Chloe having that stregt, maybe after knowing that Clark is Superman I would agree, but out of the three girls, supposing either of them new that Clark was superman, the only one (based on personality) that would stand up and put Superman in his place if he crossed the line, would be Lois.

That the impresion I get from SV Lois, she isnt intimidated by status or power, and a lot of what attracted Supes to Lois was that she was relatively unimpressed by his superpowers.

Funny how a lot of what is constantly critizesed of SV Lois are ILL traits, Like being hardheaded, cocky, tactless, etc.

LusciousLois

11-07-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Xsmallville_obsessedX
I did miss Lois in the episode. But, you make a good point about the writers needing to show more 'romantic' interaction between Clark and Lois so we can see exactly why Lois is 'the one'.
^I completely agree with that. I was actually just discussing that on a different thread. Even if there is no "Clois", I would like some indication from him as to why she is "The one" as you stated. BTW, I ALWAYS miss her when she's not in an episode. It tends to get very boring without her. Hell, I miss her when she's in an episode because they barely show her. If she were in every scene, that would be fine by me.:D

AGJ8307

11-07-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
So, "Princess Chloe" got your nerves, huh? :rolleyes: Well, try THREE SEASONS of THE REAL "EDNOIS" LANE :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh, by the way love your avatar. . .NOT!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-07-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Well Princess Chloe gets on my nerves, but I digress. I missed Lois somewhat last night.

Is Queen Chloe for you!!! :rotfl:

LusciousLois

11-07-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by AGJ8307
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:lol: :rotfl: :lol: That is so funny!:lol:

Ares

11-07-2006, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Superman_Beyond
Too much Chloe and Jimmy in this episode for my taste. Should have focused more on the Clark/Raya.

I agree with you . AA had way too much screen time.

umm

11-07-2006, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Is Queen Chloe for you!!! :rotfl:

It certainly is!!!!!!:D

Absolute Kingdom

11-07-2006, 06:19 PM

Heh I had a little spot on my monitor and instead of Queen, I read Queer Chloe. Thousand pardons :lol:

cotton candy girl

11-07-2006, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Is Queen Chloe for you!!! :rotfl:

Nope...nope; gets on my nerves just as much either way. :p :)

Originally posted by chlark=destiny
So, "Princess Chloe" got your nerves, huh? :rolleyes: Well, try THREE SEASONS of THE REAL "EDNOIS" LANE
Oh, by the way love your avatar. . .NOT!

Sorry, Chloe's already the real NOis. :)

Oh, and I like my avatar; it's clever, if I do say so myself. :D

Thanks for noticing it though.

jaime,oburg

11-07-2006, 08:58 PM

I didn't feel Lois was necessary to forward any of the story telling. I didn't miss her in the epi. Better no Lois then shoe horn her in an episode. JMHO

shirkie

11-07-2006, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Absolute Kingdom
Heh I had a little spot on my monitor and instead of Queen, I read Queer Chloe. Thousand pardons :lol: I WISH!!!!! :D
shirkie

Kat_Halliwell

11-07-2006, 09:34 PM

It was boring, except for the whole Raya story line, I almost fall asleep :p I missed Lois *a lot* and Chimmy annoyed me to no end. I find Jimmy to be a real pain in the butt :\ Oh well...

Hopefuly we'll get more Lois/Lollie in the next episode ;)

xrayvision

11-07-2006, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
And how about Crusade, Commencement, Solitude, Arrival, Vessel and Reckoning. Those weren't filler episodes. She is in both filler episodes and big story episodes.

She had very small parts in those episodes. I still think that this episode that did not have her was one of the best on the show. I loved the lack of forced comedy in Fallout that almost always happens when she's around (Reunion may have been the best episode with Lois though she did well in Oracle as well). I still think there is no need for her on this show. I think trying to work her in to the storylines of season 4 is a big part of what made it such a bad season (besides the stupid witch story). They just had to pair Clark & Lois together and the horrible episodes like Krypto, Lucy, Gone, Facade, Devoted, etc was the outcome. I think she is one character who should have never been introduced to the show, even though her interactions with Clark is a breath of fresh air when comparing them to those with Lana & Clark.

Xsmallville_obsessedX

11-08-2006, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by LusciousLois
^I completely agree with that. I was actually just discussing that on a different thread. Even if there is no "Clois", I would like some indication from him as to why she is "The one" as you stated. BTW, I ALWAYS miss her when she's not in an episode. It tends to get very boring without her. Hell, I miss her when she's in an episode because they barely show her. If she were in every scene, that would be fine by me.:D

Agreed. I really didn't like the Lois character in early Season Four, because she had no interest in journalism and her character was a little annoying to be quite honest. But, now I really miss her when she's absent from the eppy, and from some scenes. She brings humor to the show, and we all know that Clark ends up with her. ( Chlois.....please. :rolleyes: ) Plus, I think the writers are doing an excellent job with her character this season.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-08-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Nope...nope; gets on my nerves just as much either way. :p :)

Now is EMPRESS CHLOE for you :p ...I Can play this game forever :D

cotton candy girl

11-08-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
Now is EMPRESS CHLOE for you :p ...I Can play this game forever :D

Have fun. :p :)

LusciousLois

11-08-2006, 05:48 PM

:lol: You two are so funny.

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-08-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Have fun. :p :)

But you have to say that even as empress she gets on your nerves...I like to play fair.

cotton candy girl

11-08-2006, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
But you have to say that even as empress she gets on your nerves...I like to play fair.

Pero ya me canse. :p :)

You already know my answer anyway. ;)

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Pero ya me canse. :p :)

No hay problema

You already know my answer anyway. ;)

Yes but I'm sure that the Sovereign, Pope, Goddess Chloe will forgive you for your blasphemy...;)

RedPhoenix23

11-08-2006, 08:05 PM

If Chloe is an EMPRESS then Lana is a GODDESS. :p;) LOL! All Hail Lana!

HowardFilms

11-08-2006, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
If Chloe is an EMPRESS then Lana is WORTHLESS. :p;) LOL! All Spit on Lana!

You really need to check your spelling before you post. No worries, I fixed if for you.

cotton candy girl

11-08-2006, 09:21 PM

No, I think she spelled what she wanted to spell just fine:

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
If Chloe is an EMPRESS then Lana is a GODDESS. :p;) LOL! All Hail Lana!

CptnCardboard

11-09-2006, 12:26 AM

And going back on topic:

I like Lois well enough. Sometimes she gets on my nerves, but then, so do Lana, Chloe, and yes, even Clark at times.

But, honestly, I didn't even notice she was gone until I read this thread. She's a fun character... But I have to agree that occasionally, I watch her and shrug and ask myself "why'd they write her into that scene?"

Also, at the risk of being beheaded; I like the concept of Chlois. Do I think it will actually happen?

No. We HAVE a Lois. (And, for that matter, Chlois would require a level of foresight and planning I'm not sure TPTB possess, but that's just me)

Of course, I've been wrong before...

lastdaughterofkrypton

11-09-2006, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by CptnCardboard
Also, at the risk of being beheaded; I like the concept of Chlois. Do I think it will actually happen?

No. We HAVE a Lois. (And, for that matter, Chlois would require a level of foresight and planning I'm not sure TPTB possess, but that's just me)

Of course, I've been wrong before...

You won't lose your head the Sovereign, Pope, Goddess Chloe will protect you :lol:
And about your beleive you are an official anti and a closeted Chloiser. You should talk to 9yards he thinks just like you...then you won't feel all alone... ;). Also you should go to the Chlois thread is really fun! :D

And back on topic:
Temp Lois was not in the episode and I didn't miss her either. Pete had more sense than her.