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RobynAdele0406
11-02-2006, 07:47 PM
Is it just me, or is the Clark/Raya/Bow-wow (is his name Bear? Barry?) a bit on the boring side? I'm not all that interested in it, and I usually always enjoy Clark's scenes. Raya just... doesn't contribute much to the story.
Is it just me?
Well, I'm not exactly liking how the actress if playing her. She seems a bit wooden and stiff.
I'm not exactly crazy about the fact that the "super crystal" can solve his problem for him. Back when he fought Zod, all he needed was the mini version of the S -- and now this crystal gets rids of this guy.
It just seems that it used to be harder for Clark to get rid of the villians before. And this new version is getting boring. There is no conflict and stress.
Raya seems to be pointing Clark towards his destiny, but I'm not understanding why Clark isn't explaining why he never trusted Jor-el. Why is suddenly all, "yeah, I know, I'm sorry"??? Makes no sense.
RobynAdele0406
11-02-2006, 07:53 PM
Yeah, something's just really off about this plot. I want to see more fighting, more struggle to get rid of these "Zoners." It's all so very "bleh".
"bleh" is pretty much describing the whole episode.
RobynAdele0406
11-02-2006, 07:56 PM
^^ :lol: Yes, very true. The only parts I'm actually enjoying is the Chimmy (and I'm a Chlarker, so that's like WOAH :lol: )
^^
Yeah, same here. (And I'm a Cloiser who constantly enjoys Lollie, so I know how you feel! :lol: )
wraith808
11-02-2006, 08:10 PM
Um... Not hard? Raya had a fist sized hole burned in her chest. That could have been clark- especially if she hadn't stepped in the way. Of course I think it would have been a lot smarter (and a whole lot safer) to super speed a shoulder into him...
TampaVille
11-02-2006, 08:12 PM
Personally, I prefer this to the Seasons 1-5 fights, where Clark super-speeds into the bad guy who goes flying and gets impaled on [insert random object here]. True, the crystal thing is a bit 'easy,' but I prefer them devoting time to things like Clark's development into Superman than on yet another run-shove-bad guy dies fight.
RobynAdele0406
11-02-2006, 08:15 PM
Except, the difference with these bad guys is that they're just as super as Clark, or atleast more on his level than regular humans or humans with a meteor power. It should take more then 20 seconds to get rid of these guys. Especially when Clark is hard set on getting rid of each and every one of them. Why make it seem so big if all he's really got to do is hold his crystal and they go bye bye?
kickarse
11-02-2006, 08:20 PM
Clark - "I can't win against him, he just sucked in an exponentially powerful power source than anything on earth. You just said yourself that he could kill us both if he did so."
Raya - "Duh! I was kidding, for dramatic affect. Just point the crystal at him and make a squishy face, kinda like your constipated. Walk toward him like it's hard and... voila! Exterminated!"
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:rotfl:
V. true. And for even more effect, he drops the thing the first time around (so Raya can die) and then he uses it before he can.
They could have easily had the character development without the silly FotW. The Raya/Clark plot deserved, imo, more than episode anyway. Why include the FotW and kill her off? She could have come in & then talk for awhile. And then she could have said that she was going off to find some more Zoners & Clark could have said he was doing the same thing. They could have split up -- and she could have helped him (over the course of the season) learn more about Jor-el and Krypton.
SlickBlonde
11-02-2006, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by eas
Well, I'm not exactly liking how the actress if playing her. She seems a bit wooden and stiff.
Hasn't every Kryptonian on this show been that way? Didn't the plant woman in wither even point that out? Given that, I think she played a stoic yet compassionate Kryptonian quite well
jimmyolsenblues
11-02-2006, 08:37 PM
I absolutlely loved this episode.
Bow wow was a change of pace for the kansas white bread plain characters, change of pace is good, clark accepting his destiny was a pivotal moment in the show.
I liked it alot.
D.M.A.
11-02-2006, 08:47 PM
well I was happy wit the raya/clark pairin tonight I'm actually suprise they didn't play them up as a li.I jus knew he was goin to show interest or kiss her,but tptb actually shocked me on that much.Her dyin I saw comin,but her talks wit clark were good if nothin else.And what shocked me was clark's talk wit martha about stoppin the zoners even if it meant destroyin them,that was unexpected from our BDA
Coyote
11-02-2006, 08:50 PM
All that "Clark's destiny" stuff is a big bore. Superman has always been a normal guy who used his gifts to do good because the Kents raised him to think it was the right thing to do. He never had any pretentious ideas about having a "destiny". Also this subplot is making Superman look like a total wuss. Apparently any alien from any planet is as tough or tougher than Clark.
MrZeppo
11-02-2006, 08:59 PM
The plant lady wasn't Kryptonian, she was from another planet.
I think Raya was pretty humanized for an alien who had never been to Earth, with only memories of the Zone and Krypton.
I just liked how this was such a confrontational episode. Most of the viewer's complaints are addressed here.
Clark's running from his destiny.
Lana and her honesty hypocracy/ultimatums.
Lex and the way he obsesses.
And the Chloe/Jimmy B storyline was cute, although I felt a deep sense of forboding for it because thw writers won't let people be happy on Smallville for long.............
D.M.A.
11-02-2006, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by MrZeppo
The plant lady wasn't Kryptonian, she was from another planet.
I think Raya was pretty humanized for an alien who had never been to Earth, with only memories of the Zone and Krypton.
I just liked how this was such a confrontational episode. Most of the viewer's complaints are addressed here.
Clark's running from his destiny.
Lana and her honesty hypocracy/ultimatums.
Lex and the way he obsesses.
And the Chloe/Jimmy B storyline was cute, although I felt a deep sense of forboding for it because thw writers won't let people be happy on Smallville for long.............
True alot of answers or atleast hints to the ppl character was answered tonight as u listed.And ur right the way chlimmy was portrayed in a way I can see tptb givin them sum tension towards the end of AA appearances but wit a smooth breakup.She likes him(Dont think its luv jus yet),yet this chloe isn't the same as before.She isn't goin boy crazy cause sumone likes her,her first reaction was not supportive of him and only came around to calm him down.But once she saw he really was on to sumthin she threw him off track quick,I for 1 thought at the end he was goin to come to her and say the pics were missin(Sounds like sum AlMiles stuff)and she deleted them or gave em to clark without him knowin.But he jus got fired/rehired so that was cool.I had mixed feelings about their scenes cause 1 min it was cool/cute then next it seemed as if they could be settin the couple up for a bumpin relationship.But I honestly think tonight was forshadowin to alot later on this season.When lexana ends lex will be more evil/if not all the way,and lana will try to come out of the ship as a goodperson who really was watchin over lex(Like she told lionel in sneeze).Clark will except his destiny,and chlimmy will remain friends.But I agree tonight showed alot about the characters,can't wait til next week(When oliver/lois return)
wraith808
11-03-2006, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Coyote
All that "Clark's destiny" stuff is a big bore. Superman has always been a normal guy who used his gifts to do good because the Kents raised him to think it was the right thing to do. He never had any pretentious ideas about having a "destiny". Also this subplot is making Superman look like a total wuss. Apparently any alien from any planet is as tough or tougher than Clark.
Not always. Or are we ignoring the movies?
Kal-ed
11-03-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Coyote
All that "Clark's destiny" stuff is a big bore. Superman has always been a normal guy who used his gifts to do good because the Kents raised him to think it was the right thing to do. He never had any pretentious ideas about having a "destiny". Also this subplot is making Superman look like a total wuss. Apparently any alien from any planet is as tough or tougher than Clark.
Superman has no stablished origin at this point, Byrnes is no longer the canon origin, the editors say they will give it up little by little, and its rumored it will be more Silver age influenced, where Clark is more in touch with his Kryptonian side, as oposed to Byrnes who didnt even know he was from Krypton until a year after he doned the suit.
A big proof of that being true is that in Action Comics #844 (spoilers), Clark talks to an interactive Jor el ( I dont remember Supes talking to jor el from any post crisis book, I havent read all of them, though) anyway.
Most fans like the Byrnes take on Supes origins, I personaly think that a mix between a Kryptonian influenced Supes and a human raised Superman is cool, I always found odd that he didnt relate to his origins, after all its part of him.
Personaly I like the fact that Superman chose to be SUperman, rather than it being his destiny, it makes what he does so much more important, but I do like that he is in touch with his Kryptonian heritage.
regex_1
11-03-2006, 08:35 PM
Well fulfilling his destiny is to save the earth, it can still be his chose to become Superman and same people on a daily basis.
Charybdis
11-03-2006, 08:41 PM
Remember a movie that came out that stuck too closely to the original source and ended up being dissapointing? ...What was it called again...? Oh..Yes... "Superman Returns".
The point is that the reason Smallville is successful is because it takes an established character and builds on it. It doesn't just regurgitate the same crap that has been done in the comics since the beginnings of Superman. It takes the story of Superman to a whole new spin that's fresh. Many of the hardcore fanboys of the comic might complain that Smallville is innaccurate in its depiction of Superman, but who's to say what's accurate? ...especially on that of a fictional character!
Kal-ed
11-03-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Charybdis
Remember a movie that came out that stuck too closely to the original source and ended up being dissapointing? ...What was it called again...? Oh..Yes... "Superman Returns".
The point is that the reason Smallville is successful is because it takes an established character and builds on it. It doesn't just regurgitate the same crap that has been done in the comics since the beginnings of Superman. It takes the story of Superman to a whole new spin that's fresh. Many of the hardcore fanboys of the comic might complain that Smallville is innaccurate in its depiction of Superman, but who's to say what's accurate? ...especially on that of a fictional character!
Excuseme!!
SR is nothing close to the source, in fact its one of the major flaws it has, you see the succes through out 70 years of superman is not a consumer temporary fluke (like the talking elmo some Christmases ago) its a solid franchise and a solid story, and Singer pretended to make the movie in a new way, but also in honor of Donner (not superman himself) and ended up doing a retro-neo-who the f*ck knows what style movie that was really not close to the source at all. Superman story is a strong story and has proven so for 70 years and counting, why did SR didn do so well, cause they didnt go with the strong story of Superman and made their version of it.
Heros is about a bunch of unknown heros and yet it has (I dont know if more or as much) audience as SV which hapens to be about a VERY known Superhero.
Supeman I is a diferent history cause at the time it was realeased it was a lot more close to the source at that time of the comics than SR to the current comics.
regex_1
11-03-2006, 08:52 PM
I liked Superman Returns, though I would have liked a fresh start. Honestly I like anything Superman related and have problems seeing flaws, but I have no problems with anything Smallville has done. I love it all.
Charybdis
11-03-2006, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Kal-ed
Excuseme!!
SR is nothing close to the source, in fact its one of the major flaws it has, you see the succes through out 70 years of superman is not a consumer temporary fluke (like the talking elmo some Christmases ago) its a solid franchise and a solid story, and Singer pretended to make the movie in a new way, but also in honor of Donner (not superman himself) and ended up doing a retro-neo-who the f*ck knows what style movie that was really not close to the source at all. Superman story is a strong story and has proven so for 70 years and counting, why did SR didn do so well, cause they didnt go with the strong story of Superman and made their version of it.
Heros is about a bunch of unknown heros and yet it has (I dont know if more or as much) audience as SV which hapens to be about a VERY known Superhero.
Supeman I is a diferent history cause at the time it was realeased it was a lot more close to the source at that time of the comics than SR to the current comics.
The sources wasn't the comics. It was the first two Superman movies. Sorry if I didn't clarify that.
Kal-ed
11-04-2006, 01:27 AM
OH then you are completely right Charybdis
, I liked specific scenes but not the movie as a whole, and mostly cause it was mostly a nod to Donner rather than a nod to superman, which should be the right way to go, its like Nolan making Batman Begins as a nod to Tim Burton. I wanted a Reboot.
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