Chloe=Backstabber v2.0???

[chumpy]

It's a friendlier and fuzzier version...

But still disheartened by the disintegration of the Chlo-lo

[VisionGirl]

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[Chiriru]

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[Joe Bob]

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[D.M.A.]

I still dont see how she backstabbed her,but that's jus my opinion.I don't think ppl r hatin on chloe jus alil confused on the scene.It was meant to show the beginnin of their rivalry not chloe backstabbin her cuz.

[VisionGirl]

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[thehenry89]

chloe is not a backstabber she just withheld informatin when she should have been honest.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
It was a valid debate until some people started being flat out rude - and if you go back and reread the posts you'll find it wasn't me.

I just spent 19 odd pages laying out a sound argument. And now it's closed and we're back to square one.

I think frusteration is warranted.

Why don't you just stop it and get back to what you eagerly want to get back to. Listen to the moderator.

[Nospam]

OK, I have to agree that it was somewhat out of character for Chloe to act so dismissively towards Lois' sudden urge towards journalism in Sneeze, but she did congratulate Lois at the end of the show for her front page byline. Chloe also had the unfortunate responsibility of trying to throw Lois off Clark's secret.

As far as this episode, I don't think Chloe ever thought for a minute that she what undermining Lois' work, but I think due to her competitve nature she did want to stick one to Lois when it came to analyzing the image on the ring. Chloe never got the opportunity, however, but she did keep her promise not to publish the story. I know people keep harping on this point that Chloe kept her knowledge of the ring from Lois, but within the context of the story Chloe and Clark could be the only ones to see the crest on the ring without giving away the Green Arrow's indentity. Obviously they want to keep that revelation for another episode.

Bear in mind that by the next episode Chloe and Lois will be like two peas in a pod again, so all this hand waving over the "incident with the ring" is for naught.

[Chiriru]

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[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Nospam
OK, I have to agree that it was somewhat out of character for Chloe to act so dismissively towards Lois' sudden urge towards journalism in Sneeze, but she did congratulate Lois at the end of the show for her front page byline. Chloe also had the unfortunate responsibility of trying to throw Lois off Clark's secret.

As far as this episode, I don't think Chloe ever thought for a minute that she what undermining Lois' work, but I think due to her competitve nature she did want to stick one to Lois when it came to analyzing the image on the ring. Chloe never got the opportunity, however, but she did keep her promise not to publish the story. I know people keep harping on this point that Chloe kept her knowledge of the ring from Lois, but within the context of the story Chloe and Clark could be the only ones to see the crest on the ring without giving away the Green Arrow's indentity. Obviously they want to keep that revelation for another episode.
agree fully,tonight episode was more about Ga/Clark findin out about each other and their secret lives.Not exposin oliver jus yet,chloe will kno in due time.But tonight wasn't needed,and the scene wit lois was cool wit me.Nothin out of character imo of chloe or lois

[VisionGirl]

Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.

[MBCorp]

You know, I hope the writers don't make a big deal out of pitting both girls against one another now that Lois is getting into journalism. Chloe/Lois is pretty much the only realistic girl friendship that we've had on this show (unlike say, Chloe/Lana) Like I said a few weeks ago, I hope they don't make them too competitve towards one another.

[buddy232]

Yes, I think Chloe was unfair to both Lois as well as Lana.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.

Huh? Chloe still gave her the info that she needed to do her story. Lois indicated the only tools at her disposal were a highlighter pen and the yellow pages.

And when did she scoff at the idea that Lois isn't half as skilled as she is?

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.
No she didn't launch her own investigation cause she didn' get any info,she gave it to clark instead.She did what she said and didn't follow up on it,it could be argued that if clark hadn't deleted the files at the end that she could have.But up intil that point she hadn't,after tellin clark about the ring she gave clark the info which her and clark investigated.It went from her helpin lois to helpin clark not her takin it upon herself to investigate.Even if she was bored her actions didn't show it,she didn't pursue it.So yes lois had a right to trust chloe and still does,nothin in this episode imo shows that lois shouldn't.Sum ppl r jus confused by the scene but it wasn't to show that chloe betrayed lois in any way.She kept her word and didn't followup on her lead she gave what she knew to clark to help him out

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.

How did she gloat she pulled one over on Lois? B/c she hadn't given her all the information?

Just b/c Lois didn't know how to use the database, doesn't mean Chloe was being mean to her.

Backstabbing would be if Chloe turned around and took the story and wrote it for the Daily Planet. That's backstabbing. What you're saying is quite a stretch.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by MBCorp
You know, I hope the writers don't make a big deal out of pitting both girls against one another now that Lois is getting into journalism. Chloe/Lois is pretty much the only realistic girl friendship that we've had on this show (unlike say, Chloe/Lana) Like I said a few weeks ago, I hope they don't make them too competitve towards one another.
agree while its cool for an episode or 2 to show that lois is serious about journalism and everyone get their laughs in.I do not want to see the girls fightin over it too much,friendly bickerin every now and then cool.But not full blown and definitely not if it'll be worse then tonight.Cause obviously sum ppl r jumpin to conclusion now and tonight was considered friendly imo.So if its to get heavy between those 2 I expect more threads like these,but ur right chloe/lois is the only female interaction on the show that's believable now.Jus as chlark friendship imo,so hopefully it'll be minor like tonight,or they quit the idea all together

[Nospam]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.

Chloe could certainly be faulted for her dismissive attitude towards Lois, and it's obvious that Chloe felt some journalistic fervor digging up the story, but in the end Lois published her story and Chloe kept her promise that she wouldn't scoop Lois. If anything this entire situation is the result of bad writing because little could be done about uncovering the secret of the crest on the ring without Lois uncovering Oliver's secret.

[firegoddess]

Originally posted by RamonaE
How did she gloat she pulled one over on Lois? B/c she hadn't given her all the information?

Just b/c Lois didn't know how to use the database, doesn't mean Chloe was being mean to her.

Backstabbing would be if Chloe turned around and took the story and wrote it for the Daily Planet. That's backstabbing. What you're saying is quite a stretch.

And whose to say that Chloe wouldn't have used the information in the file that Clark deleted for that purpose? If she went so far as to take the information that Lois was using, keep a file, and do an independent investigation behind Lois' back, I would firmly suspect that yes, Chloe was planning on using it to write a story for the Daily Planet and thus backstab her cousin.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by RamonaE
How did she gloat she pulled one over on Lois? B/c she hadn't given her all the information?

Just b/c Lois didn't know how to use the database, doesn't mean Chloe was being mean to her.

Backstabbing would be if Chloe turned around and took the story and wrote it for the Daily Planet. That's backstabbing. What you're saying is quite a stretch.
agree,I think that scene is confusin alot of ppl cause chloe didn't backstab her.She actually kept her word and didn't print the article,lois still got credit in the paper.She went from helpin lois,havin lois make a smart remark and sumwhat gettin her back(No big deal),to helpin clark out.She didn't followup the lead jus helped out 2 friends in sum form,so I agree it is far of a stretch to assume chloe backstabbed lois

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Huh? Chloe still gave her the info that she needed to do her story. Lois indicated the only tools at her disposal were a highlighter pen and the yellow pages.

And when did she scoff at the idea that Lois isn't half as skilled as she is?

No - Lois asked to use her computer. Chloe said, and I quote: "watching you bumble through our database is like watching clark dance"

So Lois KNOWS what Chloe is like when she's got a big story in front of her -- and Chloe is insulted. Promises her she'd never double cross her like that. Lois takes her on her word (because she DOES trust her)

What happens next?

Well Clark comes and asks if Chloe sees Lois as competition -- Chloe rolls her eyes at the very idea, scoffs and says no.

Then she GIDDILY informs Clark that she "may have forgotten" to tell Lois that her computer was working on deciphering the inscription. She TOLD Lois it was a dead end - intentionally misleading her.

Then she creates her own private files on the case, which she is upset to find missing. Because she won't get to share the info with Lois? I don't think so.

Ultimately Chloe took the evidence that Lois had risked her life to get, and showed her in confidence -- and ran with it.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by firegoddess
And whose to say that Chloe wouldn't have used the information in the file that Clark deleted for that purpose? If she went so far as to take the information that Lois was using, keep a file, and do an independent investigation behind Lois' back, I would firmly suspect that yes, Chloe was planning on using it to write a story for the Daily Planet and thus backstab her cousin.
but see that's the thing it WAS deleted so we dont kno if she would,if so then it would be out of character for her now this late in the series.But even back then I couldn't see her doin this to lois,so no I respectfully disagree.But one can argue that she might but since deleted the files it doesn't matter.Cause now we kno she didn't she kept her word to lois about not chasin the story.And now that clark has spokeup about it I highly doubt she will later on either.

[JKB85]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Huh? Chloe still gave her the info that she needed to do her story. Lois indicated the only tools at her disposal were a highlighter pen and the yellow pages.

And when did she scoff at the idea that Lois isn't half as skilled as she is?

But Chloe didn't give Lois all the info to the story. It is very possible that if Lois had the information that Chloe kept from her that she would have figured out who the GA was.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
No - Lois asked to use her computer. Chloe said, and I quote: "watching you bumble through our database is like watching clark dance"

So Lois KNOWS what Chloe is like when she's got a big story in front of her -- and Chloe is insulted. Promises her she'd never double cross her like that. Lois takes her on her word (because she DOES trust her)

What happens next?

Well Clark comes and asks if Chloe sees Lois as competition -- Chloe rolls her eyes at the very idea, scoffs and says no.

Then she GIDDILY informs Clark that she "may have forgotten" to tell Lois that her computer was working on deciphering the inscription. She TOLD Lois it was a dead end - intentionally misleading her.

Then she creates her own private files on the case, which she is upset to find missing. Because she won't get to share the info with Lois? I don't think so.

Ultimately Chloe took the evidence that Lois had risked her life to get, and showed her in confidence -- and ran with it.
But while it was obviously a big story to lois we dont kno if it was to chloe so that could be argued about bein a big story.And if lois knows how chloe would be wit the story then why tell,yes she trust her cuzzin but told.Its not chloe fault she didn't tell lois after they wokeup about the ring,she then told clark.So it went from helpin lois to helpin clark which everyone should expect by now.Now if she would have done an article then I could agree but she never did the research so its not backstabbin,plus lois had reason to trust her.Cause as shown chloe kept her word,may have left out a detail or 2 but she kept her word.Which was to not publish or followup the story.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
No - Lois asked to use her computer. Chloe said, and I quote: "watching you bumble through our database is like watching clark dance"

So Lois KNOWS what Chloe is like when she's got a big story in front of her -- and Chloe is insulted. Promises her she'd never double cross her like that. Lois takes her on her word (because she DOES trust her)

What happens next?

Well Clark comes and asks if Chloe sees Lois as competition -- Chloe rolls her eyes at the very idea, scoffs and says no.

Then she GIDDILY informs Clark that she "may have forgotten" to tell Lois that her computer was working on deciphering the inscription. She TOLD Lois it was a dead end - intentionally misleading her.

Then she creates her own private files on the case, which she is upset to find missing. Because she won't get to share the info with Lois? I don't think so.

Ultimately Chloe took the evidence that Lois had risked her life to get, and showed her in confidence -- and ran with it.

Again, huh?

Chloe took pictures directly in front of Lois with the intention of doing additional research on the ring? Lois knew this. Are you saying that Chloe was going to be able to pull that wool over Lois eyes, when Lois clearly sees her taking pictures of the ring w/ the intent of researching it?

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by JKB85
But Chloe didn't give Lois all the info to the story. It is very possible that if Lois had the information that Chloe kept from her that she would have figured out who the GA was.
agree and I think that was sumthin tptb were goin for,they didn't want Ga to first appear tonight and be uncovered yet.Both chloe and lois may find out by the time oliver is ready to leave but not now.So givin off that info would lead to not only chloe knowin but lois too.So imo it was right for chloe to leave out that lil detail,besides it wasn't like she was writin the article lois was.No big deal imo

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Again, huh?

Chloe took pictures directly in front of Lois with the intention of doing additional research on the ring? Lois knew this. Are you saying that Chloe was going to be able to pull that wool over Lois eyes, when Lois clearly sees her taking pictures of the ring w/ the intent of researching it?
:lol: true I forgot about that,ppl gotta remember they both were unconscious so chloe did nothin wrong jus as lois did nothin wrong in trustin chloe.So far chloe has kept her word,now if she would have followup and printed the story then yes I'd agree but she didn't

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Again, huh?

Chloe took pictures directly in front of Lois with the intention of doing additional research on the ring? Lois knew this. Are you saying that Chloe was going to be able to pull that wool over Lois eyes, when Lois clearly sees her taking pictures of the ring w/ the intent of researching it?

Um, I'm going to transcibe this scene so there is very little debate here:

Clark: You know, with your competitive streak I'm surprised you forfeited this one to Lois
Chloe: Ha! Competetion? Lois? *eye roll* I'm chalking this one up to pro-bono
Clark: Yeah right
Chloe: Okay! So idle hands aren't really my thing. I got the SafeTech report on the arrows. (blah blah alloys)
Clark: What about the ring?
Chloe: None of the shots I scanned on my computer came out to have a clear image...

*smirk*

...however I ma yhave forgotten to metion to Lois that my computer is compiling the images to render a new one


So it's CLEAR that Lois assumed the images were unusable - and that Chloe led her to believe the ring was a dead end.

[MsSullivan]

Chloe did not back stab Lois. Lois got the story (lets not forget she told Ollie she did a little truth-bending to get the story cause Lois Lane doesn't care about truth, justice....)

I find it sad that the one quality many claimed Lois to have was taken away here, trust & loyalty towards her family and friends is gone. I can't believe she would think Chloe a thief, if anything Lois is the thief (see Sneeze).

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Chloe did not back stab Lois. Lois got the story (lets not forget she told Ollie she did a little truth-bending w/in the sorry cause Lois Lane doesn't care about truth, justice....)



of course lois cares about truth and justice thats why she was trying to find out who the GA is. and expose him for the faux robin hood he is.

[firegoddess]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
agree and I think that was sumthin tptb were goin for,they didn't want Ga to first appear tonight and be uncovered yet.Both chloe and lois may find out by the time oliver is ready to leave but not now.So givin off that info would lead to not only chloe knowin but lois too.So imo it was right for chloe to leave out that lil detail,besides it wasn't like she was writin the article lois was.No big deal imo


:lol: true I forgot about that,ppl gotta remember they both were unconscious so chloe did nothin wrong jus as lois did nothin wrong in trustin chloe.So far chloe has kept her word,now if she would have followup and printed the story then yes I'd agree but she didn't

If we run with the information we know about Chloe though, (i.e. the fact that when she keeps a file on someone, she's not just keeping a file, she's keeping a file with the intent of using it-eventually-for a story) then the argument that she wouldn't have used the information she had gathered (or should I say the information that Lois gathered and she 'borrowed') to write a story becomes ridiculous.

Of course she was going to use it! As further evidence to this probability, we need only look to Clark who, despite being probably the least likely person to take action enough to purposely delete files off of someones computer, does just that. Clark knew that Chloe would eventually use the information because that's just the type of person she is and, knowing that she would expose Oliver for being the GA, deleted it.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Um, I'm going to transcibe this scene so there is very little debate here:

Clark: You know, with your competitive streak I'm surprised you forfeited this one to Lois
Chloe: Ha! Competetion? Lois? *eye roll* I'm chalking this one up to pro-bono
Clark: Yeah right
Chloe: Okay! So idle hands aren't really my thing. I got the SafeTech report on the arrows. (blah blah alloys)
Clark: What about the ring?
Chloe: None of the shots I scanned on my computer came out to have a clear image...

*smirk*

...however I ma yhave forgotten to metion to Lois that my computer is compiling the images to render a new one


So it's CLEAR that Lois assumed the images were unusable - and that Chloe led her to believe the ring was a dead end.

Sorry but just b/c you don't think anyone should debate with you doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Secondly, what possible purpose could Chloe have for those pictures, if she wasn't going to write a story? Chloe wouldn't have kept information just for the sake of keeping it? It makes no sense.

There is no indication from that scene, that Chloe had any intention of stealing a story or that she wouldn't have told Lois about the pictures.

I hardly think you can conclude that Chloe lied about the pictures in the first place. The pictures didn't turn out at first and when the pics did turn out, that's when she had her convo with Clark. Chloe would have come clean with Lois. That's Chloe. She gets curious and a little obsessed but she always comes clean.

She wouldn't have kept those pictures in her own personal little wall of weird collection.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Um, I'm going to transcibe this scene so there is very little debate here:

Clark: You know, with your competitive streak I'm surprised you forfeited this one to Lois
Chloe: Ha! Competetion? Lois? *eye roll* I'm chalking this one up to pro-bono
Clark: Yeah right
Chloe: Okay! So idle hands aren't really my thing. I got the SafeTech report on the arrows. (blah blah alloys)
Clark: What about the ring?
Chloe: None of the shots I scanned on my computer came out to have a clear image...

*smirk*

...however I ma yhave forgotten to metion to Lois that my computer is compiling the images to render a new one


So it's CLEAR that Lois assumed the images were unusable - and that Chloe led her to believe the ring was a dead end.

The images WERE unusable. But Chloe was compiling them (as she speaks) to render a better image. And just because she didn't tell Lois about it YET... doesn't mean that she won't.

The scenario could have gone...

Chloe and Lois wake up to find the ring gone. They remember Chloe's pictures and pull them up. They can't make anything out. Lois leaves. Chloe decides to try and compile them... She doesn't tell call Lois to tell her...

This is... bad... but it's not backstabbing. She wanted to be the one to find out the Green Arrows identity... perhaps... and that's low. But not really breaking her promise to Lois. I still argue that Chloe wouldn't have published her findings and that she would have told Lois if the pictures came out clearly...eventually.

I'd say that rather than sending Chloe's character to the dogs... this makes her more believable... That a lot of her old weaknesses are still there... kept at bay by Chloe's concious effort. That Lois being a journalist and Clark keeping the GA a secret are things that are really going to test Chloe's character. She hasn't slipped yet though. IMO.

[MsSullivan]

But stretching the truth that the public will read is not something Lois Lane should do. Above all Lois has a responsibility to the readers, she lied to them. It was not made clear what truth she stretched (GA identity? i think), but she did.

And GA is a hero (granted not going about it the best way possible), if she would have done her job as a reporter she would have figured out that after something is stolen, a large donation is made. Chloe put it together, Lois didn't.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Sor

There is no indication from that scene, that Chloe had any intention of stealing a story or that she wouldn't have told Lois about the pictures.
.

WHAT???

She TOLD Clark that she kept the information from Lois! She TOLD him.

What do you think she meant? Oh, I'm going to not tell Lois about the pictures so that I can wrap them in some festive paper and surprise her with them?

No. She didn't tell Lois so that SHE could have the information and Lois couldn't.

If she had planned on sharing should would have said "The pictures didn't come out, but there is a chance that my computer can render a new image." -- but she specifically kept tha tinfo to herself. And seemed proud of that fact.

Even though it was Lois' story.


ETA: And correct me if I'm wrong, but by episode's end it didn't seem like Chloe had shared that family crest information with Lois.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
But stretching the truth that the public will read is not something Lois Lane should do. Above all Lois has a responsibility to the readers, she lied to them. It was not made clear what truth she stretched (GA identity? i think), but she did.



what lois stetches the truth all the time in the comics and she's not above telling a little white lie, but she never flat out tells bold face lies.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
WHAT???

She TOLD Clark that she kept the information from Lois! She TOLD him.

What do you think she meant? Oh, I'm going to not tell Lois about the pictures so that I can wrap them in some festive paper and surprise her with them?

No. She didn't tell Lois so that SHE could have the information and Lois couldn't.

If she had planned on sharing should would have said "The pictures didn't come out, but there is a chance that my computer can render a new image." -- but she specifically kept tha tinfo to herself. And seemed proud of that fact.

Even though it was Lois' story.


ETA: And correct me if I'm wrong, but by episode's end it didn't seem like Chloe had shared that family crest information with Lois.

If I recall Clark asked her to drop it? Hence she dropped it. But sorry, you're story just doesn't fly. Why would Chloe secretly hide information away with the intent of never using it? Doesn't make sense.

[VisionGirl]

Incidently - if Chloe HAD shared the newly rendered images with Lois then there would have been another copy -- on LOIS' computer.


But that wasn't the case was it?

If I recall Clark asked her to drop it? Hence she dropped it. But sorry, you're story just doesn't fly. Why would Chloe secretly hide information away with the intent of never using it? Doesn't make sense.

That's my point! She DOES intend to use it. FOR HERSELF.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
WHAT???

She TOLD Clark that she kept the information from Lois! She TOLD him.

What do you think she meant? Oh, I'm going to not tell Lois about the pictures so that I can wrap them in some festive paper and surprise her with them?

No. She didn't tell Lois so that SHE could have the information and Lois couldn't.

If she had planned on sharing should would have said "The pictures didn't come out, but there is a chance that my computer can render a new image." -- but she specifically kept tha tinfo to herself. And seemed proud of that fact.

Even though it was Lois' story.


ETA: And correct me if I'm wrong, but by episode's end it didn't seem like Chloe had shared that family crest information with Lois.

This makes no sense. Chloe secretly hid the information, simply b/c she could and so Lois wouldn't get it? Paranoid much?

BTW, I attempted to send you a response to the colorful pm you sent me and your box is full. So if you want a response, I'll be glad to send it to you.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Incidently - if Chloe HAD shared the newly rendered images with Lois then there would have been another copy -- on LOIS' computer.


But that wasn't the case was it?



That's my point! She DOES intend to use it. FOR HERSELF.

Chloe should learn a lesson from this. Always do the right thing even when it's not easy. :D

I think she would have told Lois eventually. After she found out who the GA was. She did want to one-up her... even if she didn't publish the story. It would have felt good to know that she was behind the reveal. Not quite backstabbing IMO. But it is selfish.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Incidently - if Chloe HAD shared the newly rendered images with Lois then there would have been another copy -- on LOIS' computer.


But that wasn't the case was it?



That's my point! She DOES intend to use it. FOR HERSELF.

I wish I could pm you too. I need to find out what you're on? You're taking this way too seriously.

Anyway, I digress.

[MsSullivan]

Don't play the comic card with me, I'm an avid reader. I know my lois lane and ed is not she...but this is getting OT.

Chloe is a reporter, seeing as Lois wan't getting anywhere I'm glad Chloe took it upon herself to keep on digging. Lois decided to publish w/o the full story...once she prints she's done. Chloe knew there was more to the story and that's why she is a better reporter.

Besides, I do remember TH!Lois stealing a story from our very own farmboy Clark Kent. So I don't mind Chloe being competitive at all.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I wish I could pm you too. I need to find out what you're on? You're taking this way too seriously.

Anyway, I digress.


Dude. I am getting really tired of this. This thread is probably going to be locked once again because of you...once again.


I think the only point you make worth addressing is that I am taking it seriously - meaning - I'm making actual arguments using actual pieces on the dialogue.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Dude. I am getting really tired of this. This thread is probably going to be locked once again because of you...once again.


I think the only point you make worth addressing is that I am taking it seriously - meaning - I'm making actual arguments using actual pieces on the dialogue.

LOL. Oh, you make me laugh so hard.

Anyway, no, sorry doll, you're not making any sense. You're using exclamation marks and CAPS and it appears that you're angy. This really isn't something to get so angry over.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
LOL. Oh, you make me laugh so hard.

Anyway, no, sorry doll, you're not making any sense. You're using exclamation marks and CAPS and it appears that you're angy. This really isn't something to get so angry over.

I'm using exclamation points and caps to highlight concepts that some people are missing or choosing to ignore.

And I'll let that 'doll' part slide...

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
I'm using exclamation points and caps to highlight concepts that some people are missing or choosing to ignore.

And I'll let that 'doll' part slide...

I'm not ignoring your point. I just disagree. You have to get used to people disagreeing with you on a message board. It's inevitable.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I'm not ignoring your point. I just disagree. You have to get used to people disagreeing with you on a message board. It's inevitable.

I'll keep that in mind...

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
I'll keep that in mind...

Please do and don't get so worked up. I wanted to send this in a pm but like the other girl said you box is full.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Please do and don't get so worked up. I wanted to send this in a pm but like the other girl said you box is full.


I'll save you the trouble. No, I won't go out with you.

[firegoddess]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I'm not ignoring your point. I just disagree. You have to get used to people disagreeing with you on a message board. It's inevitable.

But it doesn't have to be patronizing.

I digress, however, as this is OT.

In regards to the actual topic, I think visiongirl has made excellent points. Chloe DID withold information from Lois and didn't make any attempts (even at the end of the episode) to mention that she had done this, nor did she appear sorry for it.

This to me is backstabbing considering that it was Lois' story to begin with.

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
[B
Besides, I do remember TH!Lois stealing a story from our very own farmboy Clark Kent. So I don't mind Chloe being competitive at all. [/B]

Yeah, THLois did that. That's pretty funny.

However, I do mind if Chloe ever steals a story from Lois. They're family. They're suppose to stick together and be there for each other, not blackstab each other.

Also, it's OOC for Chloe to be snotty to Lois. Didn't she encourage Lois to pursue journalism two years ago?

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Don't play the comic card with me, I'm an avid reader. I know my lois lane and ed is not she...but this is getting OT.

Chloe is a reporter, seeing as Lois wan't getting anywhere I'm glad Chloe took it upon herself to keep on digging. Lois decided to publish w/o the full story...once she prints she's done. Chloe knew there was more to the story and that's why she is a better reporter.

Besides, I do remember TH!Lois stealing a story from our very own farmboy Clark Kent. So I don't mind Chloe being competitive at all.

of course she jacked clark she was pissed he got the story first and she had to work with him, i'm not defending lois's unethical behavior i'm just saying she's not perfect. but she did put her trust in her COUSIN chloe who she LOVES and TRUSTS above pretty much everyone else on the face of the earth.if my sister (which is pretty much the relationship lois and chloe have) promised to do me a favor and get me some information and then withheld something as vital as what chloe did then i would be royaly pissed off. chloe should have told the truth and given full disclosure on her findings. by not doing so it makes he seem as if she has some sort of secret motive or w/e. i love lois and chloe my point is that neither one of them is perfect, but what chloe did was wrong.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
That's my point! She DOES intend to use it. FOR HERSELF.

We really don't know that Chloe would have used the pictures for herself. But her behavior is rather like an alcoholic going to a bar and telling themselves that they are just going to listen to the music. She was gathering info, modifying Lois' headlines... writing the story in spirit anyway... But she was telling herself that it was 'cause she couldn't bear to have idle hands or something like that... would she have stood under temptation? We'll never know. But she didn't break her word to Lois and thanks to Clark, now she never will... this time.

Originally posted by MsSullivan
And GA is a hero (granted not going about it the best way possible), if she would have done her job as a reporter she would have figured out that after something is stolen, a large donation is made. Chloe put it together, Lois didn't.

This isn't Chloe's scoop this is part of the info coming out of the daily planet recently on the Green Arrow. She tells Clark about this to explain all the excitement around the paper.

Originally posted by ma200
Didn't she encourage Lois to pursue journalism two years ago?

Yes but it was partly selfish. She needed more writers for the torch.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
I'll save you the trouble. No, I won't go out with you.

Oh man. I like 'em fiesty.

Originally posted by firegoddess
But it doesn't have to be patronizing.

I digress, however, as this is OT.

In regards to the actual topic, I think visiongirl has made excellent points. Chloe DID withold information from Lois and didn't make any attempts (even at the end of the episode) to mention that she had done this, nor did she appear sorry for it.

This to me is backstabbing considering that it was Lois' story to begin with.

I was not patronizing Vision Girl in any way shape or form. Back off.

[thehenry89]

^ wow now thats inapropriate

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by thehenry89
^ wow now thats inapropriate

That's joe.

[MsSullivan]

What I mean, is that after the article, Lois still thinks GA is not a hero.

And Lois does not trust Chloe, she said so.

How is it better to steal from strangers instead of family? TH!Lois and Chloe are in the same boat with this. If Chloe had scooped Lois, it would be no different then the time Lois did it to Clark. And I'm sure like TH!Lois she would have felt horrible afterwards.

What is Chloe going to do? praise Lois like a little 4 yr old when she doesn't deserve it? The girl can't spell...

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by MsSullivan

And Lois does not trust Chloe, she said so.

.

No - let's be VERY clear about the distinction she made.

Would she trust Chloe with her boyfriend? Yes.
Would she trust Chloe with a secret? Yes.
Would she trust Chloe with her life? Yes.

But she knows Chloe well enough that she CAN'T turn down a good story. She said that this was the ONE side of Chloe she had reservations about.

And they were VALID. Chloe COULDN'T turn down a story. She launched into her own investigation - she admitted this to Clark. Idle hands were never her thing.

[firegoddess]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Oh man. I like 'em fiesty.



I was not patronizing Vision Girl in any way shape or form. Back off.

And this is why the last thread was shut down. Now where are the mods when you need them?

[MsSullivan]

Chloe has done nothing to deserve that kind of feeling from Lois. When has Chloe ever taken someone's story? never.

Ah yes the "idle hands" comment, very Lois Lane like..never being able to let go of a story that good...

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan


How is it better to steal from strangers instead of family? TH!Lois and Chloe are in the same boat with this. If Chloe had scooped Lois, it would be no different then the time Lois did it to Clark. And I'm sure like TH!Lois she would have felt horrible afterwards.

Clark is competition and just some random dude who stole a story right from under her before. She doesn't know him and felt anything for him at that time. It ain't right that she did that but I understood why she did it.

But if she scoops a story right from underneath Lois' nose, that's betrayal...to do that to somebody that loves and trusts you the most. Now, that's somethin' I wouldn't be able to understand.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Chloe has done nothing to deserve that kind of feeling from Lois. When has Chloe ever taken someone's story? never.



Right...because Chloe is totally not known for latching onto something with story potential...

She's a news hound! This is the story of the century! Lois is right to suspect Chloe would want in on it.

And she did.

[ginnyfan]

^I agree. Lois just doesn't trust that specific part of Chloe in this situation. Which is more than understandable.

I think this could turn out to be very interesting character development for Chloe. She's struggling with something that has been alive in her for a long time. She is very territorial of her place in journalism. It reminds me of when Lana took Chloe's position as editor of the torch. Chloe's grown a lot since then but I think Lois hit the nail on the head when she said Chloe was a little jealous. Not that Lois is a better reporter than her or something... but just of her (Chloe's) position... a part of her doesn't want to share.

This really says something about Chloe. She has some insecurity there. Why? Its something Chloe needs to get to the bottom of and when she does I think she and Lois will be better friends and Chlo-Lo love will be stronger than ever.

Originally posted by MsSullivan
What I mean, is that after the article, Lois still thinks GA is not a hero.

And Lois does not trust Chloe, she said so.

How is it better to steal from strangers instead of family? TH!Lois and Chloe are in the same boat with this. If Chloe had scooped Lois, it would be no different then the time Lois did it to Clark. And I'm sure like TH!Lois she would have felt horrible afterwards.

What is Chloe going to do? praise the $h!t out of Lois like a little 4 yr old when she doesn't deserve it? The girl can't spell...

It would be different. It would be the same if Lois had trusted her naively right off and told her all about the story... and it would still be different b/c Lois is not on equal footing with Chloe. She's still struggling at a tabloid while Chloe has a foot in the door at the planet. Clark was on equal footing with THLois.

Also the story Lois stole wasn't Clarks first big story since a barn door. It wasn't Clark's first scoop.

And THLois was rightly ashamed of herself and Clark got her back in spades! Which says she was wrong to do it.

Lois never did that to Clark again. LOL! That dino was hilarious!

[MsSullivan]

But they are her stories, never has she taken one from another reporter. If Lois had witnessed and it was show canon that Chloe steals stories, then yes Lois would be right to suspect Chloe. BUT the show has never SHOWED us that Chloe would steal a story.

She has integrity, something Lois lost in Sneeze the moment she let her editor edit her first story.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by firegoddess
And this is why the last thread was shut down. Now where are the mods when you need them?

I was having a discussion with Vision girl. And I was in no way patronizing her. And yes, you need to back off.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
BUT the show has never SHOWED us that Chloe would steal a story.

I'd argue that they just did.

[Naman is 1#]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
I'll save you the trouble. No, I won't go out with you.

That was funny:lol:

[RamonaE]

Chloe has never stolen a story. And until they show a headline with Chloe's name on the Green Arrow story, she never will.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by RamonaE
Chloe has never stolen a story. And until they show a headline with Chloe's name on the Green Arrow story, she never will.

Maybe so -- but they've established that it wouldn't be beyond her to do so.

And to the person who bought up Chloe just being territorial -- well, I'd point to Facade. A very different Chloe there. Supportive. Excited.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by RamonaE
Chloe has never stolen a story. And until they show a headline with Chloe's name on the Green Arrow story, she never will.

I totally agree. The Green Arrow story has already been done---by Lois. Even if Chloe were tempted (as VisionGirl says she is) to steal the story, Ms. Sullivan wouldn't dare go near sloppy seconds.

--I suppose Chloe and I are alike in that category.

[the_real_lois_lane]

Originally posted by MsSullivan


She has integrity, something Lois lost in Sneeze the moment she let her editor edit her first story.


umm... i'm a journalist and have WORKED for several newspapers and magazines... you don't LET your editor edit your stories... they're your boss.. they can do whatever they please. Lois had no control over what her editor did to her story. that's the news business. she turned in her article and her editor edited it the way he did because, as Lois said in 'Sneeze', "it's what sells newspapers."

[MsSullivan]

Well you are using some screwed up logic, Chloe did not publish. She let Lois have it, Pro-bono. After Lois came to HER to use HER computer, she let Lois publish w/o demanding anything.

Chloe continued to investigate because there was more to the story than what Lois published. Lois rushed to publish w/o knowing everything, Chloe OTH continued to investigate. No rule against following up on something Lois gave up on.

Originally posted by the_real_lois_lane
umm... i'm a journalist and have WORKED for several newspapers and magazines... you don't LET your editor edit your stories... they're your boss.. they can do whatever they please. Lois had no control over what her editor did to her story. that's the news business. she turned in her article and her editor edited it the way he did because, as Lois said in 'Sneeze', "it's what sells newspapers."

That may be true in RL, but this is fiction. And in the Superman world, Lois Lane would not let anyone edit her work.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I totally agree. The Green Arrow story has already been done---by Lois. Even if Chloe were tempted (as VisionGirl says she is) to steal the story, Ms. Sullivan wouldn't dare go near sloppy seconds.

Sloppy seconds? Reporters cover the same news stories all the time. Are you saying CNN wouldn't touch a story if FOX News had covered it first?


If Chloe had the information on the family crest and knew GA's identity - she could have written an article that would have BLOWN Lois' out of the water.

That may be true in RL, but this is fiction. And in the Superman world, Lois Lane would not let anyone edit her work.

Perry who...?

[MsSullivan]

Please, she stands up to Perry. I dare say he likes her that much more because she doesn't back down.

[the_real_lois_lane]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Please, she stands up to Perry. I dare say he likes her that much more because she doesn't back down.


but he's still her BOSS. and if no one edited Lois's articles, then no one would be able to READ them.. we all know Lois can't spell... even the best reporters in the world, fictional or not, need an editor.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Sloppy seconds? Reporters cover the same news stories all the time. Are you saying CNN wouldn't touch a story if FOX News had covered it first?


If Chloe had the information on the family crest and knew GA's identity - she could have written an article that would have BLOWN Lois' out of the water.



Perry who...?

Yes, but reporters strike the iron while it's hot. Lois had already stolen the Green Arrow thunder. Her article was the big expose. Lois's article gave Green Arrow his name. I highly doubt there's a story Chloe can do that will shed new light on this mysterious figure (other than expose his identity--which she won't do).

And I simply don't believe that Chloe would steal a story from Lois. Sorry.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Please, she stands up to Perry. I dare say he likes her that much more because she doesn't back down.

Um, one of the most famous aspects of the Superman canon is that Lois' article "I spent the night with superman" was titled by Perry and that Lois hated the idea.

And I simply don't believe that Chloe would steal a story from Lois. Sorry.

Season 4? I'd agree. Season 5? I'd agree.

But they are messing with Chloe's attitude towards Lois in season 6. I honestly wouldn't pu it past her now.

[MsSullivan]

Okay here's the thing. An artical can be edited for spelling/grammar errors but it is UNETHICAL to edit facts and skew them in a prestigious paper like the Dailly Planet..oh wait..its a rag tabloid. None the less, Lois should have stood up for the TRUTH but she let the TRUTH get lost with made up material.

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Um, one of the most famous aspects of the Superman canon is that Lois' article "I spent the night with superman" was titled by Perry and that Lois hated the idea.



Season 4? I'd agree. Season 5? I'd agree.

But they are messing with Chloe's attitude towards Lois in season 6. I honestly wouldn't pu it past her now.

A title is different from content with made up material.

Chloe's s6 attitude? omg..it was CLARK that said she talked too much. Blame Clark not Chloe.

[angelfire east]

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[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Um, one of the most famous aspects of the Superman canon is that Lois' article "I spent the night with superman" was titled by Perry and that Lois hated the idea.



Season 4? I'd agree. Season 5? I'd agree.

But they are messing with Chloe's attitude towards Lois in season 6. I honestly wouldn't pu it past her now.

Until we see the final product we just can't say. If Chloe comes up with an article on the Green Arrow, then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I don't think that's likely. Clark asked her to drop it and she wouldn't steal a story from Lois.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Okay here's the thing. An artical can be edited for spelling/grammar errors but it is UNETHICAL to edit facts and skew them in a prestigious paper like the Dailly Planet..oh wait..its a rag tabloid. None the less, Lois should have stood up for the TRUTH but she let the TRUTH get lost with made up material.



A title is different from content with made up material.

Chloe's s6 attitude? omg..it was CLARK that said she talked to much. Blame cCark not Chloe.

I expect that from Clark. I don't from Chloe.


And in what way did Lois' story have "made up material"? She slanted it to bait the GA.

In Lois and Clark Lois slanted an article by omitting actual facts to make it appear as though she hadn';t been a witness to a crime.

[MsSullivan]

Really? it was that bad? You act as if Chloe just killed someone. I really don't see why Chloe is suddenly all that is evil and unholy in SV. She makes mistakes like everyone yet she is the only one crucified for it.

I'm talking about Sneeze, she let her editor add the alien bit.

They do it to protect Clark's identity, very different from adding false material to sell more papers.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Really? it was that bad? You act as if Chloe just killed someone. I really don't see why Chloe is suddenly all that is evil and unholy in SV. She makes mistakes like everyone yet she is the only one crussified for it.

I'm talking about Sneeze, she let her editor add the alien bit.

They do it to protect Clark's identity, very different from adding false material to sell more papers.

I agree Chloe is not the devil.

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by RamonaE
Until we see the final product we just can't say. If Chloe comes up with an article on the Green Arrow, then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I don't think that's likely. Clark asked her to drop it and she wouldn't steal a story from Lois.

JMHO, but I think that if Chloe were to publish something on GA later, it would be fair game.

The ring lead was all Lois shared w/her and that is gone now. GA is fair game.

[VisionGirl]

No. Lois is.

Because you slam Lois. You make up entire scenarios where she dies and Chloe takes over her destiny because she sucks thaaaat much - well, you're being fair and blanced.

You criticize a recent characterization of Chloe? Well - you're bashing.

[MsSullivan]

I'm trying to understand why you think a little insignificant comment by BOTH Chloe and Clark has to be blown way out of proportion.

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Okay here's the thing. An artical can be edited for spelling/grammar errors but it is UNETHICAL to edit facts and skew them in a prestigious paper like the Dailly Planet..oh wait..its a rag tabloid. None the less, Lois should have stood up for the TRUTH but she let the TRUTH get lost with made up material.

What's the title of that paper she wrote? Weather OR Alien Invasion? Notice the "or"? Her paper is still about the weather. Not The Weather AND an Alien Invasion or some crap like that. At least from what I remember.

[MsSullivan]

The mere fact that they are suggesting Alien Invasion is changing what was believed to be fact. Why would they question something if Lois "did" the research? They added the Alien part, something they shouldn't think to be true to sell papers.

[Naman is 1#]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I agree Chloe is not the devil.

Well nobody is saying shes the devil, competitive yes. My opinion on the subject I dont know if I would trust her but then again I would'nt drive a would stake through her heart either. It could get real interesting to see the Chloe/Lois relationship in season 6 or what the TPTB will write.

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
The mere fact that they are suggesting Alien Invasion is changing what was believed to be fact. Why would they question something if Lois "did" the research? They added the Alien part, something they shouldn't think to be true to sell papers.

It's not a blatant lie. Only if it was edited AND instead of OR would it be a flat out lie. If ppl were to believe it might be fact, then they should've read the title carefully.

[Chiriru]

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[MsSullivan]

They added to the truth to make it a lie. Suggesting it was aliens when they very well know its not (it is but they don't know that (and its not an invasion by that alien) is lying.

My point is, Lois LET her story become something that she wasn't happy with, but she shrugged her shoulders because it sells more...

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
They added to the truth to make it a lie. Suggesting it was aliens when they very well know its not (it is but they don't know that (and its not an invasion by that alien) is lying.

As long as they are not flat out lying to the public, then that's all that matters. One of the very basic ethics of media is if you're not blatantly lying to ppl, then you can get away with it.

Originally posted by MsSullivan
My point is, Lois LET her story become something that she wasn't happy with, but she shrugged her shoulders because it sells more...

Well, I don't think Lois wanted the paper published because the public needed to know. I mean it's a flying barn door. In Smallville, that's nothing. It's not something that would help the public except to give them something interesting (and amusing) to read for the day.

[MsSullivan]

Oh its a flat out lie, suggesting an alien invasion? Sure we know it is true, but they don't. They want to sell more paper, they added false material...and even Lois recognized it was wrong, but shrugged it off.

Right. Lois is a way for the her to give the public the truth. She (comic lois) got into reporting to help people through journalism, I don't see how making them spend 25cents for a paper with lies is helping them.

[ma200]

Originally posted by MsSullivan
Oh its a flat out lie, suggesting an alien invasion?

She's implying an alien invasion. Not flat-out saying there's an alien invasion. Again, it's all about the wording. She said OR, not AND. If she did say AND, she should be grateful she's not writing for a real newspaper otherwise she'll get sued. An OR indicates that it could be about an alien invasion. An AND indicates that it is.

[Kal-ed]

I say what Chloe did was wrong, and her atitude towards Lois journalism was mocking and underminding Lois, true, hiding her dicoveries and reasearching bahind Lois back, wrong too.

But she didnt exactly backstabb her either, lets wait and see, one thing that troubles me though... why did she have a file on it??? what were her intentions??? What was she hoping to acomplish??? What ever reasons she had, she does indeed have them and she is keeping them to her self.

ALso a nother fact to stress is the fact that Clark deleted the file, I mean, he knows Chloe best of all and he wouldnt have ereased it if he knew Chloe wouldnt missuse it but the fact that Lois and Clark (two people who know Chloe very well) dont trust her on that particular point, so it points out to me that Clark suspected or feared Chloe would use that info (some epis from the early seasons come back like the file on Clark she had). ANnd the fact that Clark didnt trust her with the file speaks hugely of what the people who know her best know what she is capable off.

Still not a complete backstabb but some what of a low blow.

[MsSullivan]

If Lois had any journalistic integrity, she would care that her name was used to spread rumors/lies. She admitted it was wrong and that's my point, she did NOTHING to stop it.

May I add that Chloe risked herself by letting Lois (reporter for a competing news paper, as crappy as it is, its competition) use DP resources? yeah Chloe is a ****** cousin.

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[batfinx]

But stretching the truth that the public will read is not something Lois Lane should do. Above all Lois has a responsibility to the readers, she lied to them. It was not made clear what truth she stretched (GA identity? i think), but she did.

You're wrong. Lois Lane is pretty notorious for stretching the truth especially the way Lois did in Arrow. She puts something in her story that leads the bad guy to believe she knows more than she put in the article. As Ollie said himself, she was using herself as bait. That's why she thought Green Arrow was behind her kidnapping because that's who she was trying to draw out.

And GA is a hero (granted not going about it the best way possible), if she would have done her job as a reporter she would have figured out that after something is stolen, a large donation is made. Chloe put it together, Lois didn't.

No, Chloe sided with the Green Arrow believing that the end always justifies the means, but Clark said "And you don't care how many laws are broken to get there?" Chloe said "I guess that's just the price of justice." Lois, on the other hand, agreed with Clark. It's not really surprising because Clark and Lois have a similar opinion of Batman. They both end up respecting him, but continue to have issues of his brand of justice.

Chloe has never stolen a story. And until they show a headline with Chloe's name on the Green Arrow story, she never will.

I don't think Chloe would steal a story, but I am perplexed as to why she wouldn't share the enhanced image with Lois. I mean Lois initially wasn't sure she should trust Chloe with her scoop, but went ahead and trusted her, but then Chloe turned right around and kept the picture from her. So I don't think Chloe was intending to steal Lois's story, she was just intending to sabotage Lois's story a little.

[Ghost963]

Hi! I'm new to this discussion/debate so I'm going to try to stay as MOD friendly as humanly possible... ;)

I was first a little upset about how Chloe was treating Lois and her story but the more I thought about it, at least Chloe wasn't really withholding information from Lois for her own story. She was withholding information in order to help Clark out. The second Chloe steals one of Lois' stories for the Planet, I'll get angry; but until then as long as it's to keep Lois from getting too close in the name of helping Clark out, I'll stew in silence :)


I do miss their close relationship which I've noticed the writers have been straying away from given recent storylines. Heck, I'd be more interested in the cousins than Lex and Lana at this point. They're boring :)

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by batfinx
You're wrong. Lois Lane is pretty notorious for stretching the truth especially the way Lois did in Arrow. She puts something in her story that leads the bad guy to believe she knows more than she put in the article. As Ollie said himself, she was using herself as bait. That's why she thought Green Arrow was behind her kidnapping because that's who she was trying to draw out.



No, Chloe sided with the Green Arrow believing that the end always justifies the means, but Clark said "And you don't care how many laws are broken to get there?" Chloe said "I guess that's just the price of justice." Lois, on the other hand, agreed with Clark. It's not really surprising because Clark and Lois have a similar opinion of Batman. They both end up respecting him, but continue to have issues of his brand of justice.



So she knowingly lies to the public (stretches the truth) to get the bad guy..."ends justfies the means"

And I don't believe I've ever seen/read Lois stretching the truth. Made a deal with Lex, but I don't remember her ever printing a false story a la Sneeze

[InLove_with_Chloe]

I think if Lois wants to be a journalist, then she has to get creative and get access to her own material, sources, and resources. Don't ask your cousin (who is a journalist for a competing newspaper) for help, if you don't want to share your story. It has nothing to do with competition, or backstabbing, it is merely a question of independence and self-organization IMO...

[BeldarofRemulak]

Also Lois would never have the ring images if she didnt go to Chloe in the first place. At the time Chloe didnt have the crest yet, so why give lois some false hope and ruin the GA storyline to begin with.

[Rhoda123]

Chloe is NOT a backstabber.... she is a better reporter than Lois and always will be.. that is just my humble little opinion though.. take it or leave it!

[jimmyolsenblues]

I don't think chloe backstabbed lois.
Lois wants to be a reporter, do you your own work, once you look to your cousin at another paper , there is always a chance that someone or something will interfere. Lois needs to learn how to do her own investigative work.
Backstabbing would be like if Chloe scooped her and printed her own article.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
No. Lois is.

Because you slam Lois. You make up entire scenarios where she dies and Chloe takes over her destiny because she sucks thaaaat much - well, you're being fair and blanced.

You criticize a recent characterization of Chloe? Well - you're bashing.

What on earth? Now you're talking about the Chlois theory? No one here is promoting the Chlois theory. Get back on topic.

[angelfire east]

MOD NOTE:

For crying out loud people! this matter was asked to be droped by two different mods 3 times, one thread was already closed becuase of it but people keep bringing it up. I warned you all one more comment and I'd close this thread; So now I am. And if a third thread is opened and this same thing happens again YOU WILL be getting offical warning and I will close the thread again without notice!