Possible biggest turning point for CK thus far...

[spideyfan]

So I think with the end of the episode, CK has realized that it is not only about saving the people you know, but saving everyone. Arrow spoke some good words today and I am hoping this will be a turning point for CK like no other in which he becomes proactive in world affairs. This did not happen in Run, semi-happened in Aqua, and did not happen in Cyborg.

I am liking this seasons' message so far.

[boywithbluehanger]

Yeah I agree! I though that the most interesting scenes in this episode were the ones with Ollie and Clark. I like how he made a silent pact with him by returning the stolen items. And I also enjoyed how Ollie made Clark question his purpose in the world.

With all the people who have said the same thing to Clark in past episodes(Martha, Chloe, JK Bart Allen etc), its believeable now that Clark is aware of what he can achieve in the world. He's already saved the world from Zod at the age of 19 or 20. Now he can look forward to continue this string of superheroics.

[chole_fan]

Yeah, if he listens, Clark will definitely be heading in the right direction. I think it was too early in his life in Flash for him to really start down that road, he was still in high school. As for Aqua, he probably couldn't get past the bad acting to actually hear the message of the episode:p

I really like where they are taking this so far, I just hope they stay the course.

[ginnyfan]

Oh I absolutely agree! I really think this is going to be a turning point for Clark. In Zod I think he stepped up to the plate in a huge way and now... Oliver's words were perfect.

Great point about Clark now having the confidence in his powers to really be aware of the truth of Oliver's words boywithbluehanger. I also think its great to hear them from someone who has really made it his lifes mission to be a hero. While Aquaman was a hero of sorts he didn't really... He didn't really see himself as "Aquaman" this person who stands for the ocean. He still saw himself as AC. So Oliver is in a unique position to say... this is what I do. This is needed. I'm not trying to hide... to a certain degree...

I'm really looking forward to where Clark goes with this in the future. I'm looking forward to seeing Clark become more aware of the needs of the world at large. I like that Oliver sees that with Clark's abilities he has a much bigger calling than maybe Oliver sees for himself.

[thehenry89]

maybe the BDA will get off his pie eatin arse this season and do some good.

[BeldarofRemulak]

He always does good things, but he never searches for them. :(

[WalterK]

Even in TV shows and such, Superman does not go out looking for stuff that much. This is for story-telling reasons because otherwise he would be busy 24/7. The difference is that Superman is a public figure. He lets the world know that he is a hero and that they can depend on him when his help is needed. Clark is not ready for this yet. He still feels that when he arrived in the meteor show, he brought all these Kryptonian troubles here. It wasn't his idea, but he still feels responsible.

[Jephael]

I have to admit that seeing Ollie as Green Arrow made me want to see Clark become Superman! I mean when you think about it, the idea of Green Arrow being the first comic book character to actually be in full costume on the show just seems odd to me.

[D.M.A.]

yea the scenes wit oliver and clark tonight were great,it should make clark open his eyes more.Even if they don't agree on the methods on gettin things done atleast clark will have a better understandin of his powers.Plus the diff between this talk and the one wit ac is oliver doesn't have powers yet he stills puts his life on the line to help others.So hopefully hearin this from not only a hero but sumone without any special abilities will get thru to him,that his powers r a gift.Cause if oliver can do it without em,then clark can definitely do good wit em.But tonight was a good reflection type episode for clark,and if this is a sign of their interaction thruout justin's time on then good.

[Deana]

Oh, I agree. I hope it's a turning point.

[hassenmorad]

Yea, this was an excellent message to Clark and I hope it is a turning point as well. This episode has excited me about Smallville again- finally!

[themanofsteel07]

I really hope we see(or i do at least) a scene with Clark standing up to Lana. Everytime we see them together she always says the same thing ''I want the truth''. I used to be a big Clana fan, but seeing the way things turned out, especially Lana kissing up on ol' cueball himself! i wanna see Clark say something that'll destroy Lana's feelings liek she did to him during ''Vessel''. You guys remember! she said ''I dont know how i could have ever loved you'' that to me was like a direct blow to the feelings i think he had left for her, and i know he seems stand-offish from when they were in the same room together in ''Sneeze'' and didn't seem like the old loveable Clark towards her. But i really wanna see some of the old Kal-El come back, i seen a couple promo pictures of him in some pretty suave black out-fits! so hopefully(wishing) Kal will come back. But i really like the way hes starting to change, the shows getting way better in my opinion.

[InLove_with_Chloe]

Originally posted by spideyfan
So I think with the end of the episode, CK has realized that it is not only about saving the people you know, but saving everyone. Arrow spoke some good words today and I am hoping this will be a turning point for CK like no other in which he becomes proactive in world affairs. This did not happen in Run, semi-happened in Aqua, and did not happen in Cyborg.

I am liking this seasons' message so far.

Totally agree.
It was a hugely important moment in an otherwise mediocre episode which was characterized by poor, confusing writing.

[Spyderwalk]

I personally think it would be a better turning point if it was Batman who changed him over. (As far as people without superpowers putting themselves on the line. . who is better than the bat?)

[jimmyolsenblues]

I enjoyed Ollie's speech very much.
You have to go out and look for them, they won't come to you.
Good words.
I like the Ollie of smallville much more then the Ollie of Tv/comics.

[Jephael]

Originally posted by Spyderwalk
I personally think it would be a better turning point if it was Batman who changed him over. (As far as people without superpowers putting themselves on the line. . who is better than the bat?)

Yea, I know someone who would love to see Batman show up but I have no clue as to why the writers aren't going in that direction.

[Dor el]

Originally posted by WalterK
The difference is that Superman is a public figure. He lets the world know that he is a hero and that they can depend on him when his help is needed. Clark is not ready for this yet.

So true. Clark somehow separates his Clark self from his Superman self yet, the Superman self always takes presidence when the need arises. This faux separation is how Clark preserves, for himself, some resemblance of a "normal" life, which he so desperately wants. Yet, he makes himself and his abilities available for the masses in need on a prn basis...

Good to see him listening to the encouragement from GA.

[greenarrowgal]

I know people were worried the show was becoming GA-ville, I think Ollie is very important in Clark's development as a superhero. I love it!

[Hydra]

Originally posted by Jephael
Yea, I know someone who would love to see Batman show up but I have no clue as to why the writers aren't going in that direction.

The writers did want to use Batman originally. They even made plans to for season 3, but due to the new 'Batman Begins' franchise, Warner Brothers is no longer allowing Smallville to use Bruce Wayne or Batman. Hence the reasone why we have GA instead.

[Krypton935]

I couldn't agree more. This was a huge step for Clark becoming Superman. He finally realizes there is a whole world of people out there. And now he will finally look beyond the limits of Smallville th Metropolis and beyond. It's a great step for him. i was really excited to see this happen. And who better to tell him that then a fellow soon-to-be Justice Leager. I thought when this moment finally did come Martha would be saying it and it would be another intiment mother to son talk. But the way that they used the Green Arrow aws perfect. I loved it.

I hit 600!

[Nerial]

Originally posted by Jephael
Yea, I know someone who would love to see Batman show up but I have no clue as to why the writers aren't going in that direction.

WB wouldn't allow it.

Beyond that, however, I don't want Batman. Here's why:

The show is about Clark Kent/Superman. Having Bruce Wayne on the show, especially if he's already Batman, would take the spotlights completely off of Clark. If he were Superman, probably not, but he hasn't reached that stage yet. The focus would go too far on Batman.

GA is a minor character in the midst of the big three--Wonder Woman, Batman and the Man of Steel. We don't have to worry about him over-throwing Clark.

[mr lane]

I also agree that this episode was a big turning point for Clark. Besides the conversation he had with Oliver, I think another thing that helped open Clark's eyes was when he broke into Oliver's "Clock" opened his drawer and saw all the newspaper clippins Oliver kept of all the good things he's done with the money/items he has stolen.

I think it made Clark realize that even though he and Oliver don't see eye to eye on the whole Justice system, that there is a whole world out there that needs saving.

[last man of krypton]

I just hope the last conversation is actually remembered. Hell, I hope Clark even remembers Oliver. The way Smallville jerks us around sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Clark say "Who are you?" when Oliver meets him next time.

[Timester]

Originally posted by last man of krypton
I just hope the last conversation is actually remembered. Hell, I hope Clark even remembers Oliver. The way Smallville jerks us around sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised to hear Clark say "Who are you?" when Oliver meets him next time.

For some reason, I think not this season. Basically because this is this season arc,

[spideyfan]

He will remember Ollie. He is a recurring character anyway. I'm sure they wont play that big of a BDA card when Ollie comes around again.

Also, thanks for adding to the discussion. Makes SV more worthwhile :)

[Koma]

I think the fact that Ollie got under Clark's skin is what made him think about his advice more than in previous times.

[Dor el]

Yes, and the fact that Clark has seen first hand what one person can do in and to the world. Both constructively (saving the world and helping to put it back together) and destructively (allowing the world to be jeopardized in the first place). Clark is now looking at things with different eyes. Therefore, I think that Ollie's little speech will impact Clark.

[Caper 469]

Clark has been through alot in the past year. He looses his freindship with Lex. He looses his father, then his girlfreind, Lana. He comes to know the truth of Jor-el then looses him after saving the world. His mom is now busy with her job and Lois and Chloe have moved on with new relationships. These relationship held Clark back when Jorel first tested him. Remember when his parents lost their baby and the spaceship in the cellar exploded. I believe this is why the Green Arrow's advice will make more of a difference then past superheroes. Clark is now ready for Jor-els training.

[SVSpector]

Originally posted by greenarrowgal
I know people were worried the show was becoming GA-ville, I think Ollie is very important in Clark's development as a superhero. I love it!

I have no doubt it would have been the natural progression of Clark to become Superman......the TPTB just felt it would be too boring for whatever reason.

[xrayvision]

Originally posted by Hydra
The writers did want to use Batman originally. They even made plans to for season 3, but due to the new 'Batman Begins' franchise, Warner Brothers is no longer allowing Smallville to use Bruce Wayne or Batman. Hence the reasone why we have GA instead.

Would they allow a Batman show with Bruce Wayne in his 20's becoming Batman? Or perhaps a show where he is in full costume already (I'd rather see that since there is so much more they could do)? They allowed Smallville to be made while there was a Superman movie in progress of being made (or at its planning stages) so why not a Batman show? Or are they disgusted at what TPTB did with Smallville and don't want the same for Batman?

[boywithbluehanger]

Oddly enough, AlMiles originally were doing a young Bruce Wayne show. But the idea of the show was turned down and instead they were allowed to go along with their second pitch, Smallville.

[Trunkz]

Originally posted by Spyderwalk
I personally think it would be a better turning point if it was Batman who changed him over. (As far as people without superpowers putting themselves on the line. . who is better than the bat?)

so what kinda of super powers does the green arrow have?

[Rift]

It should definitely have been Bruce Wayne to say those words--but it was a great speech and probably the highlight of the entire episode for me.

[lee_the_flee]

Originally posted by SVSpector
I have no doubt it would have been the natural progression of Clark to become Superman......the TPTB just felt it would be too boring for whatever reason.

Excatly what I was thinking! I would have liked to see Clark realize this on his own as part of becomming Superman. Then again, in Superman 1, it was Jorel who had to enforce the same message into Clark "They are a great people Kal-el, they only lack the light to show them they way..."

It would be nice now, that after this episode he tries to rebuild the FoS so he can receive Jor-el's training, now that he knows Jor-el is a good guy and all.

[norman619]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
Yeah I agree! I though that the most interesting scenes in this episode were the ones with Ollie and Clark. I like how he made a silent pact with him by returning the stolen items. And I also enjoyed how Ollie made Clark question his purpose in the world.

With all the people who have said the same thing to Clark in past episodes(Martha, Chloe, JK Bart Allen etc), its believeable now that Clark is aware of what he can achieve in the world. He's already saved the world from Zod at the age of 19 or 20. Now he can look forward to continue this string of superheroics.

He only returned the item he stole from Luthor to Clark. Oliver did what he originally intended to do with others. He returned them to the true owners. He gave Luthor's ill gotten necklace to Clark as a test. He said it in his speech to Clark. Green Arrow is showing Clark the big picture and we finally see the lightbulb over Clark's head slowing turning on. It's harder to deny the truth in those words from someone who is actually walking the walk AND talking the talk.

Is this season going to be the Superman and Green Arrow show?

Originally posted by Trunkz
so what kinda of super powers does the green arrow have?

He doesn't have any special abilities. He's like Batman. A rich boy with tragedy in his life who turned his anger into positive actions in fighting bad people.