Chloe = Backstabber?

[VisionGirl]

Ok - so one of my favorite aspects of Smallville has always been Chlo-Lo, and the warm relationship between the cousins.

That said : WHAT is Chloe's problem?

In the past 3 episodes she's been noticeably chilly towards her big cousin. And now? Now Lois comes to her for help and advice and she KEEPS important information from her? Why? So that she can use it in her own story?

When Lois said that there was part of Chloe she didn't trust my first reaction was "since when?" But Chloe PROVED her reservations to be warranted.

This makes no sense. Chloe has never been portrayed as anything else but loyal to Lois. And vice versa.

This animosity is coming out of left field and hurting both characters.

[Polomontana]

Chloe kept it from Lois because she had to make sure it wasn't connected to Clark in any way. That's why she gave it to Clark.

I noticed each week Lois and Lana fans try to nitpick on Chloe because the Lois and Lana characters are so poorly written!!

Last week, it was bad advice to Lana. The week before that it was, why was Chloe the one to help Clark with his superpower. Stop hatin on Chloe each weak because the characters that you like are all over the place. It's a part of Chloe that has to be secretive because she knows Clark's secret!!

If you noticed in Sneeze, Chloe had to steer Lois off the trail so it wouldn't lead to Clark.

[VisionGirl]

What? HOW would it be connected to Clark? No, Chloe kept it for CHLOE.

[lilkoolmaria]

Yeah, I noticed Chloe was being kind of.... unfriendly with Lois. Weird, her character is usually never like that.

[liana]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe kept it from Lois because she had to make sure it wasn't connected to Clark in any way. That's why she gave it to Clark.

I noticed each week Lois and Lana fans try to nitpick on Chloe because the Lois and Lana characters are so poorly written!!

Last week, it was bad advice to Lana. The week before that it was, why was Chloe the one to help Clark with his superpower. Stop hatin on Chloe each weak because the characters that you like are all over the place. It's a part of Chloe that has to be secretive because she knows Clark's secret!!

If you noticed in Sneeze, Chloe had to steer Lois off the trail so it wouldn't lead to Clark.

I never bash Chloe, but I think Clark wasn't exactly trusting her in this episode. He erased her files, didn't he? I mean, he knows her the most, and he still didn't trust her. Besides, when exactly was Green Arrow conected to Clark? He has no superpowers at all and they never worked together... The fact is that she had no reason to do that, at all. Especially after telling Lois that she would not out scoop her. :\ And believe, I am sad. I love Chloe and can't understand why they are bringing this thing up. I know Alison said there would be some friendly rilvary between them, but I still don't like it.

[Damali]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe kept it from Lois because she had to make sure it wasn't connected to Clark in any way. That's why she gave it to Clark.


I'm confused, how was the information about the ring that Lois snatch off the Green Arrow connected to Clark? Chloe kept that info for her own reasons, becuase if Lois had known about the faded crest on the ring, she would have been able to identify it... eventually. Once again, Chloe did something to undermine Lois's work, but I don't think that's nitpicking.

[firefly01]

In the comics, weren't Lois and Lana kind of like that though? Rivals in a nice way? And if SV Chloe is a lot like Comic Book Lana, then it makes sense to me. (Eh, but that logic could be totally lost on TPTB.)

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe kept it from Lois because she had to make sure it wasn't connected to Clark in any way. That's why she gave it to Clark.

I noticed each week Lois and Lana fans try to nitpick on Chloe because the Lois and Lana characters are so poorly written!!

Last week, it was bad advice to Lana. The week before that it was, why was Chloe the one to help Clark with his superpower. Stop hatin on Chloe each weak because the characters that you like are all over the place. It's a part of Chloe that has to be secretive because she knows Clark's secret!!

If you noticed in Sneeze, Chloe had to steer Lois off the trail so it wouldn't lead to Clark.

I agree with this to a certain degree. Lois becoming interesting in being a reporter seems very odd to me and its not surprising that she wouldnt want to discuss her story with a dedicated reporter like Chloe. I think they both jointly want to find out who GA is and I would too.

I agree that Chloe seems to be the only solid character. She seems to act in the same manner while the other characters are constantly changing but not growing.

[Deana]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe kept it from Lois because she had to make sure it wasn't connected to Clark in any way. That's why she gave it to Clark.

I noticed each week Lois and Lana fans try to nitpick on Chloe because the Lois and Lana characters are so poorly written!!

Last week, it was bad advice to Lana. The week before that it was, why was Chloe the one to help Clark with his superpower. Stop hatin on Chloe each weak because the characters that you like are all over the place. It's a part of Chloe that has to be secretive because she knows Clark's secret!!

If you noticed in Sneeze, Chloe had to steer Lois off the trail so it wouldn't lead to Clark.

Okaaay, how would Chloe even remotely relate this to Clark? Is he shooting arrows and knocking people out to steal rings? :p

Yes, she gave bad advice to Lana. Yes the Chloe/Lois relationship is different. I don't like it.

[HalJordan4184]

I'd say it's the normal reaction of someone who invests their whole life into something, and then watches one of their best friends (in this case family even) just barge right in, and assume they are just as good as you at it. Chloe is probably upset that Lois is just taking this attitude that she can traipse right into journalism, and be the greatest without trying.

[wraith808]

How did she keep it for herself? She didn't even write an article as far as I saw...?

From what I saw about it, she just didn't let Lois know because the computer wasn't through resolving the images. I didn't see anything where she wasn't friendly- other than the fact that there may be a rivalry developing, but that's Lois' fault...

And not knowing for sure about the multi-faceted Lex, Chloe had to give Lana advice based on Lana- not her personal feelings for Lex. And she did. So under those conditions, it wasn't bad advice...

[liana]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
What? HOW would it be connected to Clark? No, Chloe kept it for CHLOE.

I'm still wainting to see it for myself, but it sure looks like you are right on that one.

[VisionGirl]

Um - I'm not "hating" on Chloe. Hell, I was one of Chloe's biggest fans --- but she's acting OOC in terms of Lois.

Suddenly she's condescending and chilly and "jealous" in a way she's NEVER been before.

It's hard to watch.

[khufu]

She didn't even have the results yet - the computer was still processing it. But if you need another reason to try and hate Chloe, knock yourself out :rollseyes:

[KEakaCK]

I don't see it as Chloe being a backstabber towards Lois...Chloe is just taking extra precautions with everything to help protect Clark. With everything that has occurred to this point, Chloe isn't taking any chances or for granted.

[Polomontana]

This is just more Chloe Hate!! There's no way that she would know if this story is connected to Clark or not!! That's why she didn't write a story, but she gave it to Clark.

[khufu]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Um - I'm not "hating" on Chloe. Hell, I was one of Chloe's biggest fans --- but she's acting OOC in terms of Lois.

Suddenly she's condescending and chilly and "jealous" in a way she's NEVER been before.

It's hard to watch. Are we watching a different show??? I thought their interaction was quite humourous. And there was no animosity between either of them, this is just the "friendly rivalry" that TPTB said we'd see a while ago. Seriously, you guys need to step back, take a breath and watch the scene again, because you're seeing something that I don't thing the writers or the actors are even trying to portay.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
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I noticed each week Lois and Lana fans try to nitpick on Chloe because the Lois and Lana characters are so poorly written!!



i for the record have never "bashed" chloe. i save my collective anger for my frequent lana bashing. but i think chloe was alittle shall we say cold toward lois in this ep. she begged her to reveal her story and then she withheld information vital to lois's story, not a very nice thing for one cousin to do to another. especialy ones as close as lois and chloe.

[Polomontana]

Last week it was she didn't talk to Lana for a whole episode, so she was a bad friend. The week before that, the jealousy was over her helping Clark with his power. Give me a break!!

[Deana]

Originally posted by khufu
She didn't even have the results yet - the computer was still processing it. But if you need another reason to try and hate Chloe, knock yourself out :rollseyes:

LMAO, the only reason to hate Chloe is because Clark plays second fiddle to her.

Some of her best scenes have been with Lois and now it's changing. Their scenes don't flow as good as they used to.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

I don't hate Chloe, so no Chloe-lovers take this too unintentionally... but

I didn't get why she didn't share this info with Lois. Lois was researching into it, and could of used the family crest that Chloe found.

I think that's just the show's lack of continuty and need to hide Ollie's idenity. I hope Chloe wouldn't hold back that information just because they are both journalist. Especially since they aren't really competeing in journalism anyway. The Inquistor isn't going to beat The Daily Planet.

[VisionGirl]

She didn't even have the results yet - the computer was still processing it. But if you need another reason to try and hate Chloe, knock yourself out :rollseyes:

Um - hello - she GLEEFULLY admitted that she didn't tell Lois that she had set up her computer to render a new image.

She told Clark she was doing a pro bono job for Lois - all hands off. And then she IMMEDIATELY called herself on that lie. She was ALL over Lois' investigation.

She gave Lois a guilt trip about not trusting her - because Lois KNEW she'd latch on to her story. And she DID.

AND she rolled her eyes at the thought of Lois being 'competition'

[Polomontana]

Chloe wasn't holding back the crest for Chloe, she never used it for a story. She never wrote a story. She gave the information directly to Clark.

Did Chloe write one story about Green Arrow? This alone shows that this is just Chloe Hate!! If she was keeping the info for herself, where is the huge Daily Planet story?

[BeldarofRemulak]

I find it funny that it was Chloe who has to do all the work (reserch wise)...She has to figure out what the ring sayes and then most likely she would of mad the connnections, but get no credit for it what so ever if Lois did find out and write the article?!?!? I like Lois, but I am not liking her sudden interest in Journalism where she can write cover stories out of the blue.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
What? HOW would it be connected to Clark? No, Chloe kept it for CHLOE.
well remember lois came to chloe but then made the statement that shouldn't couldn't give up info cause chloe would steal it.Which lead to chloe not informin lois of her info cause lois pushed the issue.I dont blame either girl because it was no big deal,so I dont see why chloe is to blame.Cause ppl seem to forget that lois sparked that by comin at chloe as if she was competition,and if she is then she had a right to not tell.But I saw nothin wrong from either girl imo

[Polomontana]

Exactly, the Lois intro into journalism is written horribly. One day she decides to be a reporter and she's writing for a paper lol. HORRID!! This is what I mean by no character developement.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe wasn't holding back the crest for Chloe, she never used it for a story. She never wrote a story. She gave the information directly to Clark.

Did Chloe write one story about Green Arrow? This alone shows that this is just Chloe Hate!! If she was keeping the info for herself, where is the huge Daily Planet story?

I know, Chloe wasn't holding it back for herself. I just thought it was odd, but I said I think that it was the writer's way of holding Lois off from hiding Ollie's secret a little longer. I don't hate Chloe.

And even if Chloe was a little competitive I wouldn't mind, 'cause it makes her a more interesting character. Chloe can't be perfect, and she does take her job really seriously. So it makes sense, and I wouldn't hate her character for it. I'd be happy, 'cause it means she's a better thought out character. And she hasn't gone out and stolen the article so she's a character with more life, but not mean.

[Damali]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
I find it funny that it was Chloe who has to do all the work (reserch wise)...


Chloe didn't have to do the research, she offered. Lois was going to do it herself, but she needed to use a better database. That's why she was at the DP. Lois wasn't planning to tell Chloe about the ring, but Chloe convinced her too, and then Chloe didn't even tell Lois about the progress she was making on the ring.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly, the Lois intro into journalism is written horribly. One day she decides to be a reporter and she's writing for a paper lol. HORRID!! This is what I mean by no character developement.

She isn't exactly writing for a *paper*. She's writing for a tabloid rag. And writing for those has a lot less to do with journalism than a talent for 'finding' interesting stories and putting twists on them.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Chloe is being acussed?...It must be Thursday :lol:

[liana]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
I find it funny that it was Chloe who has to do all the work (reserch wise)...She has to figure out what the ring sayes and then most likely she would of mad the connnections, but get no credit for it what so ever if Lois did find out and write the article?!?!? I like Lois, but I am not liking her sudden interest in Journalism where she can write cover stories out of the blue.

Am I missing something? I haven't seen the episode yet, but wasn't Lois the one who got the ring in the first place? I got the impression, by what everyone is saying, that Chloe actually took a picture of the ring, even though she said she didn't and investigated it, even though saying she wouldn't, right? Without her main piece of information (that Chloe had and Lois didn't), Lois wasn't exactly able to do much more further investigation. Besides, do anyone actually know how much Lois researched about the story? As I said, I didn't see the episode yet, and I might not be getting my facts straight, and there is a possibility that it played out differently on screen. But reading what everyone is saying (the ones who hate Lois, hate Chloe, love Lois, love Chloe and love both) it looks like these are the facts. From the facts, I would say that Chloe outscooped Lois, hiding from Lois an important piece of information that Lois acquired and shared with her, because she trusted her. Am I wrong? Isn't that what played out?

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Damali
Chloe didn't have to do the research, she offered. Lois was going to do it herself, but she needed to use a better database. That's why she was at the DP. Lois wasn't planning to tell Chloe about the ring, but Chloe convinced her to, and then Chloe didn't even tell Lois about the progress she was making on the ring.

Lois would still have to use Chloe's resources...do you think that Lois would have the talent to do that?..Right now I dont think she does.

[TheSupaMan]

She's keeping Lois from getting involved in something that she's experienced before. Nothing wrong with that.

[MBCorp]

People bash Lois & Lana constantly, but if anybody dares to say the least little negative thing about Chloe then they're suddenly accused of being "haters!". I didn't see anybody hating on Chloe in this thread. Most people said that they like Chloe but the way she acted was out of line.

[khufu]

Ok, well if you guys really want to get bitter and petty about it - I should point out that the person who created the atmosphere of secrecy and set the tone for how things would play out, was LOIS. She came into Chloe's place of empoyment, asked to use Chloe's resources, and refused to even trust her own cousin about what she was looking into. She was the one who setup the competetive atmosphere. But is anyone calling Lois a b1tch? NO - because the scene was supposed to illustrate their "friendly rivaly," which I'm now absolutely convinced will be impossible to portray without Chloe haters seeing everything she does as vicious and *****y.

Honestly, give me ONE example of what the writers can do now that would show "friendly rivalry" and not result in Chloe being called a backstabber??? Any small thing that might be potrayed as a friendly rivaly will be picked apart, magnified, and blown out of proportion by people who are intent on criticizing her character.

[biaaly]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People bash Lois & Lana constantly, but if anybody dares to say the least little negative thing about Chloe then they're suddenly accused of being "haters!". I didn't see anybody hating on Chloe in this thread. Most people said that they like Chloe but the way she acted was out of line.

Yeah well, considering this is the Chloesite/Chlois site, expect it. People bash us whenever we have even the slightest bit negative thing to say about Chloe, yet they can go around bashing Lois/ED every chance they get. I don't get it, but ah well.

[Polomontana]

She didn't act out of line. She didn't use the ring for a story. She didn't write any story, she gave it straight to Clark.

I think Lana and Lois fans feel they have to bring Chloe down in order to build Lana and Lois up. I was waiting for the chloe did something wrong thread. It happens each week because Lana and Lois are not well written characters.

[Damali]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Lois would still have to use Chloe's resources...do you think that Lois would have the talent to do that?..Right now I dont think she does.


But, that doesn't mean Chloe should keep things from Lois, about her own story. Especially, when Lois told her about the ring in good-faith.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People bash Lois & Lana constantly, but if anybody dares to say the least little negative thing about Chloe then they're suddenly accused of being "haters!".

Tell me about it. :rolleyes: Hysterics.

[VisionGirl]

Chloe did "all the work" because Chloe inserted herself in the middle. Lois asked to borrow her computer - CHLOE made Lois spill (after giving her a guilt trip about not trusting her), and then she took it upon herself to start her own investigation --- keeping certain PIVITOL information to herself.

Meanwhile, Lois wrote her article based on her EXPERIENCE, not Chloe's alleged leg work.


And are people really arguing that if LOIS did that to Chloe --- got her to spill her lead, did her own investigation, kept information to herself, rolled her eyes and scoffed at the idea of Chloe being an equal writer --- that you wouldn't be flaming Lois?

I dont WANT to see Chloe like this. My dream would be a Chlo-Lo tag team. But she's acting this way and its WRONG and OOC.

[Polomontana]

LOL, do Lana and Lois fans just watch Smallville so they can start a I hate Chloe thread?

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Polomontana
I think Lana and Lois fans feel they have to bring Chloe down in order to build Lana and Lois up. I was waiting for the chloe did something wrong thread. It happens each week because Lana and Lois are not well written characters.

If that logic holds, then what about Lois and Lana bashing threads?

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by Damali
But, that doesn't mean Chloe should keep things from Lois, about her own story. Especially, when Lois told her about the ring in good-faith.

It wasnt in good faith though. Lois basically wanted to use Chloe for her resources and not even tell her what she was going to do with it. Chloe didnt even do anything with the ring other than tell Clark about it.

[eas]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People bash Lois & Lana constantly, but if anybody dares to say the least little negative thing about Chloe then they're suddenly accused of being "haters!". I didn't see anybody hating on Chloe in this thread. Most people said that they like Chloe but the way she acted was out of line.

Word.

I love Chloe's character (having problems with her this season, though) and I thought it was totally out of line. It is not Chloe-bashing to see Chloe's gleeful expression at hiding something from Lois as a bad thing. In fact, it's a comment on how much I like her that I even noticed that she was acting weird. I expected better from her.

Just because she didn't actually publish the story doesn't make it okay that she went out of the way to research the story separately from Lois. She hid key data from Lois & was happy about it. Even Clark commented on her competative nature and how he was surprised that she let Lois keep the story.

[Polomontana]

Exactly Bedaro!! It's just more Chloe Bashing because she didn't use the story.

Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

[liana]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Chloe did "all the work" because Chloe inserted herself in the middle. Lois asked to borrow her computer - CHLOE made Lois spill (after giving her a guilt trip about not trusting her), and then she took it upon herself to start her own investigation --- keeping certain PIVITOL information to herself.

Meanwhile, Lois wrote her article based on her EXPERIENCE, not Chloe's alleged leg work.


And are people really arguing that if LOIS did that to Chloe --- got her to spill her lead, did her own investigation, kept information to herself, rolled her eyes and scoffed at the idea of Chloe being an equal writer --- that you wouldn't be flaming Lois?

I dont WANT to see Chloe like this. My dream would be a Chlo-Lo tag team. But she's acting this way and its WRONG and OOC.

Well, it looks like Lois is not the only one who doubted Chloe's motive, right? Clark also didn't trust her this time. I wonder why... He trusts her with anything concerning himself, but not about this piece of information, and he knows her better than anyone.

[eas]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
It wasnt in good faith though. Lois basically wanted to use Chloe for her resources and not even tell her what she was going to do with it. Chloe didnt even do anything with the ring other than tell Clark about it.

Um, because Clark stopped her. Who knows what she would have done if he hadn't erased her files? She was disappointed when she saw the files were gone. (Obviously, Clark doesn't trust her.)

All Lois wanted to do was use her database -- and it only took Lois a second to say, "okay, here's what I've got." It took a lot more planning for Chloe to stab Lois in the back, though. Gotta respect that -- older cousin & you're hiding things from her about a guy that was the reason she just got kidnapped. Way to go, Chloe. Nice. :rolleyes:

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by khufu
Ok, well if you guys really want to get bitter and petty about it - I should point out that the person who created the atmosphere of secrecy and set the tone for how things would play out, was LOIS. She came into Chloe's place of empoyment, asked to use Chloe's resources, and refused to even trust her own cousin about what she was looking into. She was the one who setup the competetive atmosphere. But is anyone calling Lois a b1tch? NO - because the scene was supposed to illustrate their "friendly rivaly," which I'm now absolutely convinced will be impossible to portray without Chloe haters seeing everything she does as vicious and *****y.

Honestly, give me ONE example of what the writers can do now that would show "friendly rivalry" and not result in Chloe being called a backstabber??? Any small thing that might be potrayed as a friendly rivaly will be picked apart, magnified, and blown out of proportion by people who are intent on criticizing her character.
agree neither girl were in the wrong it was to be shown as sibilin rivalry,nothin more.I dont understand the hate since neither was in the wrong,plus no one wants to admit that lois pushed chloe to not tell.Chloe was jus helpin but lois withheld info cause she looked at chloe as competition,so chloe responded.But imo neither girl were wrong for their actions,they both wanted to kno who Ga was.But chloe wasn't lookin to write the story lois was,she jus tried to help but lois stated her as competition.But I dont see no prob wit chloe actions to lois,jus as I dont see no prob wit lois comments to chloe.It was to be funny,not takin out of context as if chloe is changin.Last week advise was arguable since sum say that it was lana who came to her.But this time it was lois who sparked chloe non info,but it wasn't to make either girl look bad.

[Polomontana]

Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

The Chloe haters are so funny!!

[khufu]

Originally posted by eas
Just because she didn't actually publish the story doesn't make it okay that she went out of the way to research the story separately from Lois. She hid key data from Lois & was happy about it. Even Clark commented on her competative nature and how he was surprised that she let Lois keep the story. Didn't publish it? She didn't even WRITE a story!!! She just wanted to get to the bottom of it.

And I don't get the huge double standard here: Lois goes into Chloe's work, asks to use her resources, and then outright says to her own cousin, no I'm not going to tell you what it's about.... so how come Lois isn't being criticized here?

[Deana]

I can clock it as bad writing, but it has happened every episode this season but one.

The first episode Lois is in the hospital and Chloe doesn't even mention her or seemed to be worried in the least. She was all smiles about Jimmy.

We know what happened in Sneeze. Although some of that can be explained. I don't think there was any odd Clo-Lo(ms) in Wither, but in Arrow it rises again.

I admit, I'm not a fan of Chloe but that is only because she is projected as the intelligent life form and the one that is(Clark) isn't. That can be fixed. I hope...

In no way am I bashing/hating on Chloe just because I think Chloe/Lois has taken a turn for the weird and that I think she gave bad advice to Lana. I'm a major fan of the cousins chemistry.

[Skywalker]

She's definitley acting OOC. If anything she'd be alot more supportive like in Facade and Devoted. If this is how Chloe is going to start acting so early into the season, I'm definitley not looking forward to the "friendly rivalry" AM claimed there will be in one of her interviews.

[Polomontana]

Again, Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

[BeldarofRemulak]

I think lthat Chloe was trying to find out who GA really was...being that she now knows that is a superhero like Clark, I dont think she would Out him in an article. She trusts Clarks opinion.

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly Bedaro!! It's just more Chloe Bashing because she didn't use the story.

Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

I love how even the slightest critisicm of Chloe = bashing. She could murder 10 people & it would still be character bashing for the fans to say, "what the frak did she do that for???"

(Um... unlike a lot of the stuff we see about Lois and Lana, but I won't go there.)

Chloe was petty and snotty in this ep. No one's bashing her by pointing it out -- we're just saying that it's not the Chloe we've come to love and respect. If this is a direction that they're taking with Chloe's character (and her relationship with Lois) then I'll continue to say, "Chloe's character is being ruined."

[liana]

Originally posted by D.M.A.
agree neither girl were in the wrong it was to be shown as sibilin rivalry,nothin more.I dont understand the hate since neither was in the wrong,plus no one wants to admit that lois pushed chloe to not tell.Chloe was jus helpin but lois withheld info cause she looked at chloe as competition,so chloe responded.But imo neither girl were wrong for their actions,they both wanted to kno who Ga was.But chloe wasn't lookin to write the story lois was,she jus tried to help but lois stated her as competition.But I dont see no prob wit chloe actions to lois,jus as I dont see no prob wit lois comments to chloe.It was to be funny,not takin out of context as if chloe is changin.Last week advise was arguable since sum say that it was lana who came to her.But this time it was lois who sparked chloe non info,but it wasn't to make either girl look bad.

But didn't she share the information, when Chloe asked her to? Didn't look like she was trying that hard to conceal it from Chloe.

Just to state, the fact that you don't like the way a character is written in one episode doesn't mean you hate the character. I think she was OOC concerning Lois. I blame the writers for it, as should everyone.

[Polomontana]

She has to give Clark the information first!! It's a part of Chloe that will always be secretive. I will let the Chloe haters in on a little secret....She knows Clark is from Krypton.

[D.M.A.]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

The Chloe haters are so funny!!
no cause he knew that a rivalry was comin,which imo lead to him deletin the files.Cause he knew both chloe and lois were gettin carried away wit it.But i didn't see the big deal in the scene since both girls were bein funny wit each other.I wont say ppl r jus hatin chloe but sum r lookin for a prob here when there isn't 1

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

The Chloe haters are so funny!!

At least it's PRECENDENT for Clark to enjoy a joke at Lois' expense. It's NEVER been for Chloe.

And for the love of God to say that you are dissapointed in how Chloe is being portrayed this season does NOT make you a "Chloe Hater" -- it makes you a Chloe lover.

If you Chloe fans are cool with her being a total ***** to Lois. To slam her efforts at journalism. To keep things from her. To take digs at her behind her back. Despite the fact their relationship has NEVER been portrayed that way.

If you think that's COOL for her character to do, well , I don't know what to tell you...

[Polomontana]

Chloe's character is not being ruined. I remember a Lois fan asked recently, why does it seem like Chloe wins ever poll.

When Erica Durance was in TV guide, they didn't get mail about Durance but about Chloe.

It's jealous Chloe bashers and I think it's funny!!

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Again, Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

Wrong about what? I don't get what you're saying... are you trying to say that Clark thought that what she did was right? Because I didn't get that vibe from him. He seemed to feel that Chloe was acting competative. He even called her that. I think that smile was more like, "um, yeah, I'm not surprised." I don't see Superman being proud of someone going behind someone else's back. And that's what Chloe was doing when she was hiding the information from Lois. Because GA had nothing to do with Clark's secret. There was no reason for her hide the info from Lois -- there was no "greater good" argument. (And argument that could be made for the odd Chlo-Lo scenes in "Sneeze".) If anything, her loyalty should have been to Lois. Not the Green Arrow or Clark.

[cotton candy girl]

Why should anyone care if they're being called a hater or not?

[biaaly]

I thinks its funny that we get called bashers for saying the littlest thing about Chloe, what about the Lois haters then? This place is crawling with Lois hate, who comment on the stupidest things about her.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
Why should anyone care if they're being called a hater or not?

Are you trying to hate on me now?!?!? j/k I think it is only natural for you to defend "your" character and unfortunatley the best was to do that is bash the other ones..I guess:\

[liana]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
At least it's PRECENDENT for Clark to enjoy a joke at Lois' expense. It's NEVER been for Chloe.

And for the love of God to say that you are dissapointed in how Chloe is being portrayed this season does NOT make you a "Chloe Hater" -- it makes you a Chloe lover.

If you Chloe fans are cool with her being a total ***** to Lois. To slam her efforts at journalism. To keep things from her. To take digs at her behind her back. Despite the fact their relationship has NEVER been portrayed that way.

If you think that's COOL for her character to do, well , I don't know what to tell you...

At least Lana's fans complains when they think she is written out of character. I complain (a lot) about Clark, because I think he should be better than he is. I didn't like the barn door epiphany, even though I love Lois Lane and will always complain whenever someone portrays Chloe Sullivan wrong because I LOVE HER.

[eas]

Originally posted by khufu
Didn't publish it? She didn't even WRITE a story!!! She just wanted to get to the bottom of it.

And I don't get the huge double standard here: Lois goes into Chloe's work, asks to use her resources, and then outright says to her own cousin, no I'm not going to tell you what it's about.... so how come Lois isn't being criticized here?

What's to critisize? That she was honest with her cousin? That she honestly admitted that it was weird that they were "competing" for the same stories? Chloe explains that there is nothing to worry about and Lois thinks about it for one second and gets this huge grin on her face as she pulls out the ring -- with excitement. She shares everything she knows & what she needs to find out.

That seems pretty above board to me.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Again, Was Clark wrong when he smiled when Chloe told him about the information she kept concerning the ring?

yes he was because he knew chloe was withholding valuable information from lois who asked her cousin who she trusts to help her out. but i'm not gonna get into the whole "chloe's better then lois" "lois is better then chloe" bulls*** argument because i personaly love both of them.

[Damali]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
It wasnt in good faith though. Lois basically wanted to use Chloe for her resources and not even tell her what she was going to do with it.

But, Lois did tell Chloe about the ring, after Chloe convinced Lois that she was wrong for not trusting her. However, Lois should have went with her initial instincts.

Chloe didnt even do anything with the ring other than tell Clark about it.

Chloe didn't tell Lois everything and she made a point of not telling Lois about the ring, when talking to Clark. She even seemed a little happy about. All smiles.

[Polomontana]

Yep, the best way to defend a weak character like Lois is to try and bring down Chloe.

[Coyote]

I'd very much like to see these girls in a cat fight. Of course Lois could wipe up the floor with Chloe. It would be cool if they did it in a pit full of jello.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Yep, the best way to defend a weak character like Lois is to try and bring down Chloe.

What if someone just doesn't agree with Chloe's actions all the time? Well, not me because I do bash Chloe, but I think it's ridiculous to say someone's a hater just because they disagree with Chloe.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Would of it been better if lois found out the information...that her new boy toy is the GA ? Would that hurt lois? Would she still write that article outing him?

[Polomontana]

No, Clark was glad she kept the information so they could track down the green arrow. Clark didn't want Lois to know his identity and that's why he stopped her from taking off his glasses on the roof!!

[VisionGirl]

No one is arguing that Lois is better than Chloe or Chloe is better than Lois (oh, wait, people are arguing the latter...)

My point is and always has been for many of us "cousins" was sacred ground. It was the ONE relationship that the writers hadn't screwed up. For many of us, it was a salvation point for the show.

So now that Chloe is being written as cold, dismissive and secretive in terms of Lois I feel I have every right to be pissed off.

[lilkoolmaria]

Woah, I feel a heated discussion coming up. Fun!

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by cotton candy girl
What if someone just doesn't agree with Chloe's actions all the time?.

^then your an insane chloe hating facist. :)

[Polomontana]

If Chloe would have gave Lois the information, she would have said the same thing Clark did. She would have remembered that the crest was in Oliver's place and she would have figured out that he was the Green Arrow!!

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe's character is not being ruined. I remember a Lois fan asked recently, why does it seem like Chloe wins ever poll.

When Erica Durance was in TV guide, they didn't get mail about Durance but about Chloe.

It's jealous Chloe bashers and I think it's funny!!

I'm not a "Jeaous Chloe basher" ... I love Chloe. She's one of my favorite characters on the show. I can't speak for other people, but I don't come here to bash on characters (one of the reasons I never post about the characters I don't like). I come here to discuss the episode I just watched & the Chloe I just saw is not the Chloe I've come to love.

Doesn't make me a basher to point out bad writing. (And, frankly, I could care less about polls. It has nothing to do with the way I view the show or the way I see the characters. And it's irrelevant to this discussion.)

[Muse25]

I had a problem with Lois asking Chloe for help and then not telling her about it. I don't think that's cool at all. It doesn't make Lois any better then Chloe or vice versa. I'm glad that Lois finally told her something. I mean if your going to ask your cousin for help the least she could do was tell her something (even if Lois didn't tell the whole story I don't care but at least she told Chloe something).

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
No one is arguing that Lois is better than Chloe or Chloe is better than Lois (oh, wait, people are arguing the latter...)

My point is and always has been for many of us "cousins" was sacred ground. It was the ONE relationship that the writers hadn't screwed up. For many of us, it was a salvation point for the show.

So now that Chloe is being written as cold, dismissive and secretive in terms of Lois I feel I have every right to be pissed off.

Ok so Chloe with held information and Lois basically told Chloe she didnt trust her.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
If Chloe would have gave Lois the information, she would have said the same thing Clark did. She would have remembered that the crest was in Oliver's place and she would have figured out that he was the Green Arrow!!

AND....i thought thats what reporters do ferret out the truth and all that "nonesense".

[khufu]

Well, I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. All I know is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the writers to give us a "friendly rivalry". It can't happen. There is nothing that Chloe could possibly do that would be considered friendly be people who already have it in their minds that she, for some reason, hates her own cousin.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example of something that Chloe could do that would be considered "friendly rivalry" and not her being a b1tch. Anyone? Can anyone come up with any scenario at all? Or is it pretty much a lose-lose situation for Chloe?

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Ok so Chloe with held information and Lois basically told Chloe she didnt trust her.

:( I miss my happy cousins.

[eas]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Ok so Chloe with held information and Lois basically told Chloe she didnt trust her.

Yes, I agree -- Lois did basically tell Chloe that she didn't trust Chloe. And I admit that it gave me pause -- I was wondering why Lois would have that feeling.

Then, later on, we find out that her feelings of misgiving were spot-on. Chloe didn't behave in a good way. It seems like we're getting season 3 Chloe back. I don't really like it. I never expected Chloe to act this way towards Lois. In the past, she acted like this towards Lana, but I felt that her relationship with Lois was stronger than that.

[Polomontana]

It's good writing because it's not time for the Lois character to find out about Oliver but it was time for Clark to find out about Oliver and this is why Chloe witheld the information. This is a T.V. show and it was in the script. Chloe has to let Clark know about things before anyone else.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Ok so Chloe with held information and Lois basically told Chloe she didnt trust her.

SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!

Lois KNEW that reporter!Chloe would want sink her teeth into the story. Lois voiced this concern. Chloe guilt tripped her, batted her eyes and convinced her that she would never betray her like that. It takes Lois a millisecond to cave and agree to tell Chloe everything.

And then she did EXACTLY what she promised she wouldn't.

She started her OWN investigation (USING Lois and the intel she RISKED HER LIFE for), purposely mislead Lois about how much she had discovered, seemed HAPPY and PROUD about this fact when she told Clark.

I mean - that's just wrong.

[eas]

Originally posted by khufu
Well, I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. All I know is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the writers to give us a "friendly rivalry". It can't happen. There is nothing that Chloe could possibly do that would be considered friendly be people who already have it in their minds that she, for some reason, hates her own cousin.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example of something that Chloe could do that would be considered "friendly rivalry" and not her being a b1tch. Anyone? Can anyone come up with any scenario at all? Or is it pretty much a lose-lose situation for Chloe?

They could have a friendly wager about a story. See who gets the exclusive first. Loser has to buy the winner dinner.

ETA: And that's off the top of my head... give me half an hour -- I could come up with quite a few Chlo-Lo "friendly rivalry" scenarios. A lot of talented fan fic writers would easily be able to pull this off. It's not too much to expect the paid writers of SV to pull it off.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by khufu
Well, I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. All I know is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the writers to give us a "friendly rivalry". It can't happen. There is nothing that Chloe could possibly do that would be considered friendly be people who already have it in their minds that she, for some reason, hates her own cousin.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example of something that Chloe could do that would be considered "friendly rivalry" and not her being a b1tch. Anyone? Can anyone come up with any scenario at all? Or is it pretty much a lose-lose situation for Chloe?


Friendly rivalry goes on all the time... people in sports, two runners on a track. One wins, the other makes second. The person who makes second is proud to be in second.

Chloe could let Lois use her computer, 'cause she is supportive of Lois learning how to be a better reporter and have an advantage at her newspaper. While Chloe chases another article. Maybe the article Chloe finds, will get her a pultzer.

[liana]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Ok so Chloe with held information and Lois basically told Chloe she didnt trust her.

And when Chloe said she was wrong, she smiled and showed her the ring. Yeah, she is really a monster because she distrusted Chloe for like one minute and Chloe withheld information for her, therefore proving her distrust right!

[Polomontana]

It wasn't wrong because Chloe didn't use the information to write a story, she just told Clark. Why can't the Chloe haters see something so simple?

[Deana]

Originally posted by khufu
Well, I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree. All I know is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the writers to give us a "friendly rivalry". It can't happen. There is nothing that Chloe could possibly do that would be considered friendly be people who already have it in their minds that she, for some reason, hates her own cousin.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me an example of something that Chloe could do that would be considered "friendly rivalry" and not her being a b1tch. Anyone? Can anyone come up with any scenario at all? Or is it pretty much a lose-lose situation for Chloe?

I said the chloe/lois scenes are off, that did not leave Lois out. Lois not trusting Chloe is off and Chloe actually revealing Lois's feelings of untrust to be well founded is off.

[cotton candy girl]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Why can't the Chloe haters see something so simple?

Don't the rules say not to talk about other posters?

[ginnyfan]

Nope Chloe's not a backstabber. She just can sit still on a good story. She kept her promise to Lois. She investigated it without publishing. Then she gave her info to Clark. That's actually putting her info to use without breaking her promise to Lois. And I'm gonna have faith in Chloe and say that if she found out his identity she would have told Lois about it. 'Cause she never woulda found any of it if she hadn't begged Lois to be let in. Chloe's not a backstabber... anymore.

[VisionGirl]

Friendly rivaly would involve Chloe not thinking Lois was a complete and total JOKE.

If she lost the superior attitude and supported her cousin -- Like in season 4 Facade -- then they could try to out-scoop eachother. But then go out for a bite to eat afterwards.

Friendly rivalry does not involve deception. It doesn't involve arrogance.

It DOESN'T

[Ireallylikethisshow]

*ignores being called 'chloe hater' cause I like Chloe.*

Why didn't she tell Lois? Lois was working on that article! Chloe doesn't know it's Oliver Queen, she doesn't know he's dating Lois. She doesn't know who he is. She wasn't protecting him when she first recieved that 'crest' and she lied to lois about the picture. Why?

Either, her character. or bad writing

[celita]

I would say for example that Chloe and Lois follow their own clues (by their own, not together), and see who of them find the truth before. So we could see in one hand Chloe with her PC, and in the other hand Lois and see two ways of been a journalist. Of course Chloe have more experience but Lois has a lot of potencial too.

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
It wasn't wrong because Chloe didn't use the information to write a story, she just told Clark. Why can't the Chloe haters see something so simple?

Again... we don't know that she wasn't going to use it for the story. She told Clark, yes, but she was very dissappointed when she saw that all her files on GA were gone. Clark had ask her to drop it as a favor to him. Doesn't sound like she was stopping at just telling Clark. She even says something about there being a superhero code -- meaning that she was only dropping it because of him.

And, frankly, it has nothing to do with whether she got the story published or not. It really seemed like it was about "beating" Lois -- she just didn't want Lois to have the exclusive scoop. Otherwise, why hide it from Lois?? She had no good reason to hide it from Lois.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Lois basically told chloe that she did not trust her. IMO this is what lead to Chloe not telling her that she was trying to get the image. When she got the image she gave Clark the information to find out who the GA was. Chloe did not write an article and she trusted Clark when he said not to find out who GA was. If Chloe were to tell Lois what would that accomplish? Lois would find out the Ollie is GA get hurt in the process and then out him in her article.

[boywithbluehanger]

woah woah woah...hold up...am I the only one who remembers the episode "Truth"?!! Chloe was still in love with Clark while upset that he always kept serious secrets from her, and she still goes ahead and betrays his trust by asking him what he's hiding!! - Thinking she could get him to tell her. That was wrong!! She CAN'T be trusted! Why would any Chloe fans be upset by her lying to Lois to find out the story?! Chloe is not fully trustworthy, shes nosey!! Heck, its her ONLY character flaw, did Chloe fans forget this?!

Sure shes good at keeping secrets. But shes not good at letting other people around her have them.

[cotton candy girl]

As per Ksite: 10) We cannot stress this enough: DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES, NOT OURSELVES, THE BOARDS, OTHER POSTERS OR OTHER FANS.

[Polomontana]

It's funny how this was a Lois episode and all Chloe Bashers can talk about is Chloe LOL!!! There's Chloe post all on the Arrow discussion and she was not even in it as much as some of the other characters. Chloe bashers can't stop the jealousy for 1 episode and celebrate a Lois episode. That's because Lois is so poorly written!!

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
woah woah woah...hold up...am I the only one who remembers the episode "Truth"?!! Chloe was still in love with Clark while upset that he always kept serious secrets from her, and she still goes ahead and betrays his trust by asking him what he's hiding!! - Thinking she could get him to tell her. That was wrong!! She CAN'T be trusted! Why would any Chloe fans be upset by her lying to Lois to find out the story?! Chloe is not fully trustworthy, shes nosey!! Heck, its her ONLY character flaw, did Chloe fans forget this?!

Sure shes good at keeping secrets. But shes not good at letting other people around her have them.

Yeah. Does the name Lionel Luthor mean nothing? She TEAMED UP with him to EXPOSE Clark.

It's funny how this was a Lois episode and all Chloe Bashers can talk about is Chloe LOL!!! There's Chloe post all on the Arrow discussion and she was not even in it as much as some of the other characters. Chloe bashers can't stop the jealousy for 1 episode and celebrate a Lois episode. That's because Lois is so poorly written!!


Look, you keep posting the same thing over and over and it's getting a little insulting. We're trying to have an open discourse about the way Chloe and Lois are being portrayed - please stop writing people off as "Chloe haters"

[Polomontana]

Is Chloe so popular that Lois fans can't even enjoy a Lois episode without bashing Chloe?

[Ireallylikethisshow]

*Desperately wants a mod in this section*

Everything is in chaos!

[eas]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Lois basically told chloe that she did not trust her. IMO this is what lead to Chloe not telling her that she was trying to get the image. When she got the image she gave Clark the information to find out who the GA was. Chloe did not write an article and she trusted Clark when he said not to find out who GA was. If Chloe were to tell Lois what would that accomplish? Lois would find out the Ollie is GA get hurt in the process and then out him in her article.

She decided not to tell Lois before Clark told her to drop it. The timing doesn't work -- she didn't choose to hide it from Lois b/c of Clark. It was something she decided on her own.

And for her to hide it from Lois b/c Lois questioned whether she could trust Chloe -- it seems pretty spiteful on Chloe's part for her to go, "well, she thought she couldn't trust me? Well, I'm going to show her!! I'm going to hide things from her -- that's it... I'm going to prove her right" Doesn't exactly seem like the rational way to go about dealing with your cousin's trust issues.

[Deana]

Originally posted by Polomontana
It's funny how this was a Lois episode and all Chloe Bashers can talk about is Chloe LOL!!! There's Chloe post all on the Arrow discussion and she was not even in it as much as some of the other characters. Chloe bashers can't stop the jealousy for 1 episode and celebrate a Lois episode. That's because Lois is so poorly written!!

Wow, you've got us! I don't how you did it but you did. :lol: :rolleyes: :rotfl:

[chumpy]

*sigh*

What's with the broken record about 'Chloe hatin' '? It's obnoxious and tiring.

VisionGirl and many others, are speaking as CHLOE FANS who miss the classic Chlo-lo interaction. Chloe used to be everyone's favorite cheerleader so to speak...Now she puts down people or scoffs at them. You claim that Lois is badly written? At least she's a tad less repetitive then some people I won't mention.

The point is many of us MISS the person Chloe was, and don't understand why they are portraying her in such an OOC manner.

[Texas_Venom]

Originally posted by Skywalker
She's definitley acting OOC. If anything she'd be alot more supportive like in Facade and Devoted. If this is how Chloe is going to start acting so early into the season, I'm definitley not looking forward to the "friendly rivalry" AM claimed there will be in one of her interviews.
What interview was that?

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Is Chloe so popular that Lois fans can't even enjoy a Lois episode without bashing Chloe?

Um... I don't know what to say to that. I really don't.

*Is there a mod around????*

Originally posted by Texas_Venom
What interview was that?

TVGuide online.

[VisionGirl]

Seriously, if I have to say one more time that I'm not a Chloe basher...


If you are HAPPY that your character is being written this way, I question your actual loyalty.

Because even though Chloe is only my second favorite character on the show, I'm beyond angry.

[JKB85]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Is Chloe so popular that Lois fans can't even enjoy a Lois episode without bashing Chloe? I don't think popularity has anything to do with it. I like Chloe and I like Lois but i can admitt that Chloe has been acting sketchy latley towards Lois.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Can anyone answer the question on if Lois did get the info? Would that be a good thing anyway?

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Yeah. Does the name Lionel Luthor mean nothing? She TEAMED UP with him to EXPOSE Clark.


Well remember we did find out later that she was only telling Lionel things that never mattered. She wanted to find out why Lionel was so interested in the Kents more than finding out Clark's secret.

We know Chloe has a problem with giving people space without asking questions. But I seriously hope all of that curiosity doesnt somehow turn into jealousy with her relationship to Lois.

[eas]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
woah woah woah...hold up...am I the only one who remembers the episode "Truth"?!! Chloe was still in love with Clark while upset that he always kept serious secrets from her, and she still goes ahead and betrays his trust by asking him what he's hiding!! - Thinking she could get him to tell her. That was wrong!! She CAN'T be trusted! Why would any Chloe fans be upset by her lying to Lois to find out the story?! Chloe is not fully trustworthy, shes nosey!! Heck, its her ONLY character flaw, did Chloe fans forget this?!

Sure shes good at keeping secrets. But shes not good at letting other people around her have them.

That's why I think this is a return to season 3 Chloe. The Chloe who can't be trusted & only cares about getting the story. How else can we see her bizarre behavior towards Lois? It's definitely not the relationship we saw in seasons 4 & 5.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Can anyone answer the question on if Lois did get the info? Would that be a good thing anyway?

It would mean her cousin didn't lie to her.

And remember, at this time Chloe was also operating under the assumption that the Green Arrow was just some theif - and maybe that information, in Lois' hands, could have helped to bring him in.

[Polomontana]

What has Chloe did against Lois? She held back the info on the ring and gave it to Clark. She tried to steer Lois away from the story in Sneeze. She has done nothing to Lois. Last week she wasn't a good friend to Lana.

She has only been around Lois in sneeze to lead her from the story and she was in one scene with Lois tonight.

[thehenry89]

hypothetical question what would chloe fans be saying if the roles were reversed and lois withheld informatinon from chloe. think about it.

[Polomontana]

She was in one scene with Lois tonight LOL!! How is she being mean to Lois?

[lilkoolmaria]

Lol, this board is too funny. Thanks for amusing me everyone, I just twisted my ankle. :( It seriously hurts.

[JKB85]

Originally posted by Polomontana
What has Chloe did against Lois? She held back the info on the ring and gave it to Clark. She tried to steer Lois away from the story in Sneeze. She has done nothing to Lois. Last week she wasn't a good friend to Lana.

She has only been around Lois in sneeze to lead her from the story and she was in one scene with Lois tonight.
But why would she hold back information...she had NO reason to do so.

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
What has Chloe did against Lois? She held back the info on the ring and gave it to Clark. She tried to steer Lois away from the story in Sneeze. She has done nothing to Lois. Last week she wasn't a good friend to Lana.

She has only been around Lois in sneeze to lead her from the story and she was in one scene with Lois tonight.


The whole "she held back the info on the ring" part. I don't care that she gave the info to Clark. It's her job as a sidekick to give the info to Clark. That's how the plot progresses. It's the gleeful way she told Clark that she hid the info from Lois that's wrong.

[Polomontana]

She withheld information from Lois because it was not time for Lois to figure out who Green Arrow was. This is why she gave the info to Clark.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Chloe did not have a clear image of the ring at the time with Lois. I dont think that if Chloe did find out who GA was (and if he was just a bandit) she would just write an article about it. I think she would have told Lois, but since she was advised not to by clark what was the point in telling lois then?

[lilkoolmaria]

Originally posted by thehenry89
hypothetical question what would chloe fans be saying if the roles were reversed and lois withheld informatinon from chloe. think about it.

People would claim Lois was a terrible person and her character is turning bad.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Polomontana
She withheld information from Lois because it was not time for Lois to figure out who Green Arrow was. This is why she gave the info to Clark.

Chloe doesn't know that it's not time for Lois to know. Chloe's not pyschic

[Polomontana]

Clark smiled also. She held back the information to give to Clark to find out who the Green Arrow was. It's really simple. She was only in one scene with Lois.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by thehenry89
hypothetical question what would chloe fans be saying if the roles were reversed and lois withheld informatinon from chloe. think about it.

When Erica Durance mentioned in a TV Guide interview that Lois would be "using Chloe" to help with articles (it should be noted - Erica was speaking in terms of mentoring and advice) Chloe fans JUMPED on that one sentence and tore Lois to shreds saying she was going to "use" Chloe to get information and be self serving.

We see Chloe do EXACTLY THAT to Lois, and suddenly Chloe fans are like "there's nothing wrong with that..."

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
She withheld information from Lois because it was not time for Lois to figure out who Green Arrow was. This is why she gave the info to Clark.

So... that's bad writing. They're writing Chloe OOC & making her un-likable to further the plot. That's not a good thing as far as Chloe's character is concerned. They should have figured out a better way to keep Lois from finding out the secret. In fact, they could have kept the plot exactly the same & just editted that line out. We would never have known that Chloe was hiding it from Lois. We would have just assumed that she never told Lois because Clark asked her to drop all research related to GA. They went out of the way to say, "hey, Chloe is researching this on her own & won't let Lois in on her data." How can we, as an audience (and as Chloe fans) ignore that? It's huge in terms of how it affects the way we see the cousins' relationship.

[Deana]

Originally posted by thehenry89
hypothetical question what would chloe fans be saying if the roles were reversed and lois withheld informatinon from chloe. think about it.

My god, I can imagine the hate and bashing now.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by thehenry89
hypothetical question what would chloe fans be saying if the roles were reversed and lois withheld informatinon from chloe. think about it.

People would say, "THE REAL LOIS LANE WOULDN'T DO THAT. THIS PROVES THAT LOIS ISN'T THE REAL LOIS LANE!!!"

[thehenry89]

^:lol:

[eas]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People would say, "THE REAL LOIS LANE WOULDN'T DO THAT. THIS PROVES THAT LOIS ISN'T THE REAL LOIS LANE!!!"

:lol:

[boywithbluehanger]

Originally posted by Polomontana
She was in one scene with Lois tonight LOL!! How is she being mean to Lois?

I think the weirdness is more so that Lois was poorly lied to by Chloe (while protecting Clark) a few times in the last two seasons that now Lois realizes that there are some things she can't completely trust her with. (serious stuff)

Last episode Chloe was acting a tad jealous and unfriendly towards Lois's achievemet of becoming an overnight reporter. This episode Lois is treating her as someone she can't trust her big story findings with. Those two things happened in the span of the last two episodes and are inconsistancies in the series.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Clark smiled also. She held back the information to give to Clark to find out who the Green Arrow was. It's really simple. She was only in one scene with Lois.

Yeah, Clark did. That's kind of bad on his part. But yet again, Clark did say a mean thing or two in this episode. Being in only one scene doesn't mean anything though

[Polomontana]

That is only making Chloe unlikable to the people that don't like her. It's obvious why Chloe didn't give the info to Lois, it was so Clark could find out who he is and what he wants. Why would she give the info to Lois and she could find out who he is and something bad happen to her?

[DanaButterfly]

Do people not remember how Lois was introduced on this show? She was INVESTIGATING the death of her beloved cousin. She couldn't even bring herself to go to Chloe's funeral because it hurt her too much.

But, Lois Lane came to Smallville to seek out who killed her cousin, because her instincts told her that Chloe didn't just die.

Lois was smart enough to hack into Chloe's computer to find that message Chloe had left Clark. Lois was smart enough to track down the Kents. Lois investigated with Clark in her dad's office. LOIS, after Clark ditched her, FOUND the warehouse where Chloe was being kept without anyone telling her.

So, the fact that Chloe would say that Lois can't perform a search is ridiculous.

For two years, the cousins had each other's backs. NO questions asked. But now, Chloe is making snide comments about Lois. It's not in character and it makes me sad.

Like many others, Chlo-Lo is one of my favorite relationships on this show. Durance and Mack work so well off each other. It's sad to see the SV writers/producers have now decided to butcher this relationship like the many they've left in the dust.

I FEAR how Chloe will act once Clark starts to show feelings for Lois. Hide all sharp objects.

Chloe was my favorite character, until Lois came on. Then, they were neck and neck. I hope the Chloe I've known and loved for five years will show her face again. I even stuck by her when she betrayed Clark in Season 3, 'cause he was such an ass to her.

I hope Chlo-Lo is on the horizon. I STILL maintain that this is AlMiles attempt to rip apart Chloe and Lois fans so that Lana will be the golden girl again. Then again, she's becoming the female Lex, so, hmmm.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by Polomontana
That is only making Chloe unlikable to the people that don't like her. It's obvious why Chloe didn't give the info to Lois, it was so Clark could find out who he is and what he wants. Why would she give the info to Lois and she could find out who he is and something bad happen to her?

But, something bad happened to Lois anyway...

[Polomontana]

Chloe was actually protecting Lois. They had no idea who the Green Arrow was and what were his motives. Would you rather have the man of steel find out who he was or your cousin?

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Clark smiled also. She held back the information to give to Clark to find out who the Green Arrow was. It's really simple. She was only in one scene with Lois.

The two are mutually exclusive. She told Clark that it would take her awhile to figure out what the crest meant. He smiled because he saw the picture and recognized it. The smile wasn't about Chloe -- it was about Clark figuring out that he had a lead.

Chloe didn't know that the crest belonged to Oliver Green. She didn't know that the data was going to help Clark figure it out in two seconds. She was bragging that she'd kept the information from Lois, so she'd have more info for him as soon as she tracked it down.

That's not a good thing. It makes her look really, really bad.

Originally posted by Polomontana
Chloe was actually protecting Lois. They had no idea who the Green Arrow was and what were his motives. Would you rather have the man of steel find out who he was or your cousin?

Um... in what way was this protecting Lois? I don't get it. And whether the "man of steel" figures out who he is, there's no reason for Lois not to know at the same time. Any other FotW and Lois/Chloe/Lana/Lex/Clark/Lionel/Martha and the whole town figure out the identity. Makes no sense for Chloe go, "hhmm, I'll make sure that Clark figures it out, but I don't want Lois to figure it out -- for her own good."

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by DanaButterfly
Do people not remember how Lois was introduced on this show? She was INVESTIGATING the death of her beloved cousin. She couldn't even bring herself to go to Chloe's funeral because it hurt her too much.

But, Lois Lane came to Smallville to seek out who killed her cousin, because her instincts told her that Chloe didn't just die.

Lois was smart enough to hack into Chloe's computer to find that message Chloe had left Clark. Lois was smart enough to track down the Kents. Lois investigated with Clark in her dad's office. LOIS, after Clark ditched her, FOUND the warehouse where Chloe was being kept without anyone telling her.

So, the fact that Chloe would say that Lois can't perform a search is ridiculous.

For two years, the cousins had each other's backs. NO questions asked. But now, Chloe is making snide comments about Lois. It's not in character and it makes me sad.

Like many others, Chlo-Lo is one of my favorite relationships on this show. Durance and Mack work so well off each other. It's sad to see the SV writers/producers have now decided to butcher this relationship like the many they've left in the dust.

I FEAR how Chloe will act once Clark starts to show feelings for Lois. Hide all sharp objects.

Chloe was my favorite character, until Lois came on. Then, they were neck and neck. I hope the Chloe I've known and loved for five years will show her face again. I even stuck by her when she betrayed Clark in Season 3, 'cause he was such an ass to her.

I hope Chlo-Lo is on the horizon. I STILL maintain that this is AlMiles attempt to rip apart Chloe and Lois fans so that Lana will be the golden girl again. Then again, she's becoming the female Lex, so, hmmm.

I also, really hope the cuzins keep their friendship after this.

[BeldarofRemulak]

When Clark was with her she did not have the image yet...she sent it to him on the phone when he went to save Lois.

[Polomontana]

You answered your own question eas, Chloe didn't know who the crest belonged to so it was smart that Clark find out first instead of Lois. It's really simple.

[JKB85]

Originally posted by Polomontana
That is only making Chloe unlikable to the people that don't like her. It's obvious why Chloe didn't give the info to Lois, it was so Clark could find out who he is and what he wants. Why would she give the info to Lois and she could find out who he is and something bad happen to her?

How can u say that the only people that CHloe is unlikeable to the people who don't like her. As many before me have a lot of people like chloe and i still do i just think she is acting really weird and not like she did when she was urging her cousin to write at the Torch with her. As to Lois not giving the information I still don't see it she didn't know Ollie was GA or that Clark knew who the Ga was at theat point in time.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
When Clark was with her she did not have the image yet...she sent it to him on the phone when he went to save Lois.

I'm going to assume your point is that Chloe had nothing to give Lois...

But the fact is Chloe GLOATED that she kept from Lois the fact that it was a POSSIBILITY. She purposely mislead Lois into thinking that the ring was a dead end. Little did Lois know that Chloe was still investigating it.

And if that wasn't bad enough she seemed REALLY pleased with herself.

[chlark=destiny]

Originally posted by boywithbluehanger
woah woah woah...hold up...am I the only one who remembers the episode "Truth"?!! Chloe was still in love with Clark while upset that he always kept serious secrets from her, and she still goes ahead and betrays his trust by asking him what he's hiding!! - Thinking she could get him to tell her. That was wrong!! She CAN'T be trusted! Why would any Chloe fans be upset by her lying to Lois to find out the story?! Chloe is not fully trustworthy, shes nosey!! Heck, its her ONLY character flaw, did Chloe fans forget this?!

Sure shes good at keeping secrets. But shes not good at letting other people around her have them.

You have to also remember that Chloe was not HERSELF in TRUTH(listen to the s3 commentary on truth). She even apologized for her behavior (even though it was not her fault) to Clark. She owned up to her "mistake." ALSO, YEAH, she's going to be a little nosey, because she is a REPORTER, BUT that DOES NOT make her a backstabber.

[Polomontana]

Exactly they have no idea if the Green Arrow is a meteor freak or not and they don't know what his intentions were. It was smart of Chloe to tell Clark first and Clark agreed!!

[thehenry89]

it all boils down to chloe being alittle jealous of lois and her overnight celebity. and while thats understandble its compleltly umprofessinal and unbecoming of a characther whom i hold in such a high regard *chloe*. lots of players were pissed off at trajan langdan when he started at duke university but it's not his fault he was so talented it's the same with lois. say what you will about her spelling but she has a natural curiosity and investigative insticnt that chloe just doesnt have.

[chumpy]

Wait...are you actually arguing Clark's level of intelligence now?

Since when is he the brains of the outfit...let's be honest here

[Polomontana]

They didn't know who he was at the time. So why would Chloe give the info to Lois first? They have no idea what this guy might do. It's better for Clark to find out. Great job Chloe!!!

[Bookwrm17]

Originally posted by MBCorp
People would say, "THE REAL LOIS LANE WOULDN'T DO THAT. THIS PROVES THAT LOIS ISN'T THE REAL LOIS LANE!!!"

You're right. That's the sad part. :rolleyes:

It was definately wrong for Chloe to withold the information from Lois. What's more, CHLOE is the one with the job at the Daily Planet, and Lois is the one at the Inquirer. Right now, Chloe is the 'serious reporter' and Lois is just some tabloid writer. Chloe has no reason to feel jealous of or threatened by Lois's job, so purposefuly keeping her from succeeding is really selfish. It makes it look like Chloe can't stand to share the spotlight, like she has to be the only one who's into journalism, which is rather inconsistant with the way she was always trying to turn Clark into a reporter.

To be honest, Chloe has never been one of my favorite people. But her behavior in this episode was just rediculous.

[WalterK]

They did not explain Chloe's motive for keeping that tidbit from Lois, but we can take a guess. If somebody is going to be going after the GA, it needs to be superhero Clark and not reporter Lois. If it was just about the story, then she would have helped Lois.

[Polomontana]

Why would Chloe give the info to Lois? Would you let your cousin walk into that situation and you had a guy like Clark to make sure it was safe first?

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by thehenry89
it all boils down to chloe being alittle jealous of lois and her overnight celebity. and while thats understandble its compleltly umprofessinal and unbecoming of a characther whom i hold in such a high regard *chloe*. lots of players were pissed off at trajan langdan when he started at duke university but it's not his fault he was so talented it's the same with lois. say what you will about her spelling but she has a natural curiosity and investigative insticnt that chloe just doesnt have.

I think Chloe is alittle startled that Lois suddenly wants to be a reporter too, but I think that Chloe has a clear skill and instinct when it comes to being a reporter.

On a side note: Pete was on ER and I think he might be a regular guest :)

[celita]

That is only making Chloe unlikable to the people that don't like her

You are wrong, I love Chloe (and Clo/Lo) and that made Chloe unlikeable to me A LOT. That "if you don´t kiss Chloe´s ass and say she is a godness it means you are a basher and you hate her" isn´t true. Chloe is a person, she can do something wrong, and we, like Chloe lovers we are, can say "hey, that was wrong, i didn´t like that", it doesn´t meant "chloe is a ***** and must die", just "i didn´t like that". We are not bashing Chloe and of course none of us is bashing Allison Mack. Did you like Chloe in arrow?, perfect, it´s your opinion and it´s just as good as mine, I´m not calling you "lois hater" for that.

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
You answered your own question eas, Chloe didn't know who the crest belonged to so it was smart that Clark find out first instead of Lois. It's really simple.

Wrong... she sent the image to Clark b/c she wanted to show him what her data showed -- letting him know that she was working on it.

Her decision to hide the data from Lois came before that -- it makes no sense for her to hide the fact that she kept an image of the crest from Lois. She made that decision before Lois was kidnapped. She made that decision before she involved Clark in it... she chose to hide it from Lois because of the story. And she bragged about it.

And you can't use the "protection" scenario because it hasn't been that way on "Smallville" ever. In "Fade" Chloe immediately picks up the phone to tell Lois that Graham is the killer -- to warn her. It's safer for Lois to know how GA is (quickly) rather than keep Lois in the dark. Chloe has no reason to view GA as anything other than another FotW type of character. So she has no reason to hide GA's identity from Lois.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by WalterK
They did not explain Chloe's motive for keeping that tidbit from Lois, but we can take a guess. If somebody is going to be going after the GA, it needs to be superhero Clark and not reporter Lois. If it was just about the story, then she would have helped Lois.

This may have been an argument - until we find out at the end that Chloe has kept a folder of info on the GA and was really upset when Clark deleted it.

If she was all about deferring to another superhero, this wouldn't be the case. She wanted the info. And she wanted it for her files.

[Polomontana]

Exactly Walter, if you have the man of steel ready to make sure this guy will not kill your cousin, you want him to check it out first.

She was protecting Lois, she had no idea wether this guy was a meteor freak or not or what his motives were. It's better for Clark to meet up with him first.

[thehenry89]

she didn't tell clark who the GA was she gave him the family crest, i mean by all rights lois found the information she gave it to chloe and TRUSTED her to tell give her all the information she had. she had a 50-50 chance of discovering and rembering that the family crest was oliver's just like clark. and chloe could always just find the crest online herself.

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Why would Chloe give the info to Lois? Would you let your cousin walk into that situation and you had a guy like Clark to make sure it was safe first?

Walk into what situation? She didn't have anything. It was Clark who figured out who GA was -- not Chloe. At that point, all she had was an image of the shield on the ring. If she was being ethical, Lois would have known that she had an image and that it was a link to finding out who GA was. She can't use "Clark's a super powered guy" as an excuse to screw her cousin out of a story... as an excuse to hide key data from her. Especially when it's still in the "research" phase of the investigation & Lois trusted her to keep Lois in the loop. At the point that Chloe makes the decision to keep Lois out of the loop, there is no hint that Lois is in danger. Lois is kidnapped after Chloe decides to hide it from her. It was unethical.

[Polomontana]

Nope, that's the point. She had no idea of how dangerous Green Arrow could be. Chloe did the right thing and protected her cousin. Let Clark meet up with him first.

[DanaButterfly]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly Walter, if you have the man of steel ready to make sure this guy will not kill your cousin, you want him to check it out first.

She was protecting Lois, she had no idea wether this guy was a meteor freak or not or what his motives were. It's better for Clark to meet up with him first.

Where was Chloe's concern for Lois's safety when she shoved her up on the stage at the strip club knowing that one of those stripper's was run down by some goon?

I think Chloe is thrown off by Lois's new found interest in journalism and she doesn't like it. She's acting out with her comments. I don't think Chloe would ever wish harm on Lois, or anything, but, there is certainly a new negative undercurrent there.

As a Chlo-Lo, Lois AND Chloe fan, I'm not liking it.

[Nospam]

OK, I scanned through this thread and I didn't see anyone make the point that in terms of story structure Chloe had to be the only one besides Clark that would "decode" the image on the ring, otherwise Lois would have immediately known that Oliver was the Green Arrow.

Besides, Chloe's article on the Green Arrow...wait a second...that's right! Chloe did not write an article on the Green Arrow. She left that to Lois, as she promised. "Lois, I am not going to scoop your story." Imagine that.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Friendly rivaly would involve Chloe not thinking Lois was a complete and total JOKE.

If she lost the superior attitude and supported her cousin -- Like in season 4 Facade -- then they could try to out-scoop eachother. But then go out for a bite to eat afterwards.

Friendly rivalry does not involve deception. It doesn't involve arrogance.

It DOESN'T

I disagree that Chloe thinks that Lois is a complete and utter joke (however... I can't vouch for Chloisers and some Chloe fans...). But I do think that Chloe is a little territorial when it comes to journalism. If she didn't think Lois was competition she wouldn't be snippy about it.

I disagree that Chloe deceived Lois in any way. Season 3 Chloe hasn't gone anywhere. Chloe just keeps her reined in. And so she continued investigating something and hadn't told Lois (yet). We don't know that Chloe would have scooped her... she just couldn't sit around idol... and she couldn't help fantasizing about how she would write the article.

There's a reason that Lois hesitated to tell Chloe... and that reason is what makes Chloe roll her eyes and snipe and investigate stories that are not her own (all of which don't break her promise to Lois by the way)... Chloe is just blowing off steam. She made a promise to Lois, cute smile and all... that is VERY hard for her to keep. But she kept it.

I do think Lois and Chloe are going to Pow-wow about this as some point. Chloe's going to eventually have to acknowledge that this Lois journalism thing is not a passing phase. And this is a first step. Lois breaks a story that Chloe is DYING to have. It's gotta sting some no matter how much she loves Lois... but they'll Pow-wow and then have a cup of coffee together. Or Chloe will be petty and they'll never speak again. I vote for the former not the latter.

Love you. But I disagree. :)

[Polomontana]

Exactly Nospam!! She didn't scoop the story, Chloe kept her word!!

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Nope, that's the point. She had no idea of how dangerous Green Arrow could be. Chloe did the right thing and protected her cousin. Let Clark meet up with him first.

how is knowing about a family crest going to get lois in trouble she could have told clark and THEN told lois. because by the time all this happend lois had already been kidnapped.

[eas]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
This may have been an argument - until we find out at the end that Chloe has kept a folder of info on the GA and was really upset when Clark deleted it.

If she was all about deferring to another superhero, this wouldn't be the case. She wanted the info. And she wanted it for her files.

And then there's also the fact that she and Clark didn't have even a hint of a conversation about Lois's safety being an issue. "Smallville" is not known for it's subtlety. If they wanted us to think that Chloe's motives were all about protecting her cousin -- well, they'd tell us. How hard would it have been for Chloe/Clark to have that conversation instead of the whole, "Given your competative streak, I'm surprised you're letting Lolsi have this story" and her saying, "I'm just giving her this story as a pro bono..." and Clark's, "yeah, right"...

In fact, it would have made more sense for the conversation to be say something like, "Clark, I'm hiding some things from Lois because I'm worried about her. Track this guy down first before I tell her anything, okay?" And that's what I would have expected from season 4 and 5 Chloe.

Based on what she said & how she went about it, it's presented as an unethical move on her part. Her motives do not seem pure, that's for sure.

[TalkinMac]

I am not sure why she kept it from her maybe she is starting to realize Lois really wants to be a journalist and is a little jealous and intimidated because journalism has always been her thing.

[Bookwrm17]

Everyone is saying "But Chloe didn't write the story!"

Gee, could that be 'cause Clark deleted all of her info?

[thehenry89]

^ could be :rolleyes:

[eas]

Originally posted by Polomontana
Exactly Nospam!! She didn't scoop the story, Chloe kept her word!!

Because Clark deleted her files & she promised him she wouldn't pursue it. She didn't keep her word to Lois. It was about keeping her word to Clark.

That's not the Chloe Sullivan I've come to love. Honestly, it isn't.

[Polomontana]

Nope, if you would have watched the episode, Lois wrote the story. Clark deleted the files because he didn't want her finding out who the Green Arrow was.

[Ireallylikethisshow]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I disagree that Chloe thinks that Lois is a complete and utter joke (however... I can't vouch for Chloisers and some Chloe fans...). But I do think that Chloe is a little territorial when it comes to journalism. If she didn't think Lois was competition she wouldn't be snippy about it.

I disagree that Chloe deceived Lois in any way. Season 3 Chloe hasn't gone anywhere. Chloe just keeps her reined in. And so she continued investigating something and hadn't told Lois (yet). We don't know that Chloe would have scooped her... she just couldn't sit around idol... and she couldn't help fantasizing about how she would write the article.

There's a reason that Lois hesitated to tell Chloe... and that reason is what makes Chloe roll her eyes and snipe and investigate stories that are not her own (all of which don't break her promise to Lois by the way)... Chloe is just blowing off steam. She made a promise to Lois, cute smile and all... that is VERY hard for her to keep. But she kept it.

I do think Lois and Chloe are going to Pow-wow about this as some point. Chloe's going to eventually have to acknowledge that this Lois journalism thing is not a passing phase. And this is a first step. Lois breaks a story that Chloe is DYING to have. It's gotta sting some no matter how much she loves Lois... but they'll Pow-wow and then have a cup of coffee together. Or Chloe will be petty and they'll never speak again. I vote for the former not the latter.

Love you. But I disagree. :)

:D This made me much happier. I really do hope the Chloe and Lois friendship make it through this. They are such good friends... it would be awful to lose in the show. They are kind of like sisters in a sense.

[Polomontana]

It's really simple. She never wrote the story and she protected her cousin by making sure Clark made sure things were safe.

[Bandista]

So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

From where I'm standing? If someone came looking for my help, the accused me of being dishonest enought to steal their work? Not only would I hand them their own ass, but I'd scoop them just to give them a *real* reason to distrust me.

Lois is the one who deserves the criticism here...not Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is?

We all know that Chloe keeps files on the bizzare and strange...there's no reason to believe that Chloe was keeping that info on the ring so that she could scoop Lois. It's more conceivable that she was keeping it for the digital WoW.

But whatever...I guess people have to dis Chloe for some reason, since their own fave character is so crappily written.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Who is to say that Chloe would have withheld this info from Lois?

[Bookwrm17]

Um, the fact that she did?

[Polomontana]

Chloe was in one scene with Lois now she's the wicked witch of the east LOL. Last week she was in one scene with Lana and she was the wicked witch of the west LOL. This is really funny!!

[Bookwrm17]

Maybe if Chloe's in no scenes with anybody next week I'll like her better.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Bandista
So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

.

she asked for HELP not for chloe to do the work for her. also lois knows chloe pretty well and she must have had a reason to belive that chloe would scoop her. i for one am not dissing chloe her lois and clark are my fav charachters i just think what she did was out of charachter.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Ok - so one of my favorite aspects of Smallville has always been Chlo-Lo, and the warm relationship between the cousins.

That said : WHAT is Chloe's problem?

In the past 3 episodes she's been noticeably chilly towards her big cousin. And now? Now Lois comes to her for help and advice and she KEEPS important information from her? Why? So that she can use it in her own story?

When Lois said that there was part of Chloe she didn't trust my first reaction was "since when?" But Chloe PROVED her reservations to be warranted.

This makes no sense. Chloe has never been portrayed as anything else but loyal to Lois. And vice versa.

This animosity is coming out of left field and hurting both characters.

What are you talking about? Chloe didn't run w/ the story and I'm sure she would've told Lois that little last tidbit of info when she saw her. Backstabber? That's a bit much.

[kefka02]

Originally posted by Bandista
So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

From where I'm standing? If someone came looking for my help, the accused me of being dishonest enought to steal their work? Not only would I hand them their own ass, but I'd scoop them just to give them a *real* reason to distrust me.

Lois is the one who deserves the criticism here...not Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is?

We all know that Chloe keeps files on the bizzare and strange...there's no reason to believe that Chloe was keeping that info on the ring so that she could scoop Lois. It's more conceivable that she was keeping it for the digital WoW.

But whatever...I guess people have to dis Chloe for some reason, since their own fave character is so crappily written.

Totally agree with you here. I didn't notice Chloe being mean or backstabbing or anything at all.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Bandista
So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?
.

First of all - Lois didn't come for 'help' - she came to use Chloe's computer because the Inquistor doesn't have the resources she needs.

Chloe INSERTS herself in the story - tell Lois she isn't CAPABLE of doing her own research. Then when Lois ACCURATELY questions whether Chloe can let Lois do the story on her own Chloe GUILT TRIPS her and PROMISES she would never horn in.

Then what does she do?

She launches her OWN investigation. LIES to Lois about what information she turned up/will turn up. GLOATS that she pulled one over on Lois. SCOFFS at the idea that Lois could be even half as skilled as she is.

Um - I think that's grounds for criticism.

In the end Lois SHOULDN'T have trusted Chloe. AT ALL.

[Bookwrm17]

The way Chloe said that she "might have forgotten to tell Lois" about the info certainly implies that she had no intention of doing so in the future.

[TalkinMac]

Gah people it isn't a big deal just some friendly competition.

[khufu]

Really, this whole thread is instigated by two people from DI. I'm sitting here trying to understand why, in an episode that was all about Lois, where Clark isn't saved by anyone, where a new DC hero is introduced in a big way, and where Chloe has only a very small role - why is there so much focus on Chloe-bashing? They've spent more time hating on Chloe than praising their favorite character, and I couldn't understand why..... until I read the responses at DI - aparently, all the Clois fans are incredibly bitter that there was no Clark jealousy of Oliver over Lois. Clark didn't give a rat's a$$ about Lois having a boyfriend - not like he did with Jimmy - and it seems that this has made for some very unhappy Clois fans. Solution? Let's get Chloe!!! Pathetic.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by eas
Because Clark deleted her files & she promised him she wouldn't pursue it. She didn't keep her word to Lois. It was about keeping her word to Clark.

That's not the Chloe Sullivan I've come to love. Honestly, it isn't.

I am going to repeat myself because it is critical to this story: in terms of story structure Chloe was the only one, besides Clark, that could have known about the crest on Oliver's ring without revealving his secret to Lois. The rest of the story had to flow from there. Chloe goes on to say that she is digging into the story out of boredom and Clark verbalizes the obvious rivalry between the two of them, but Chloe promised not to write a story on the Green Arrow and she kept her promise.

If the situation were reversed I'd be defending Lois for keeping her word, just as Chloe kept hers. Besides, I am loving the journalistic side of Lois, despite whatever complications it has for Chloe because it makes Smallville a better show. At some point we may see a real knock down, drag out journalistic battle between the two of them, but this isn't the show.

[RamonaE]

Chloe is not a backstabber b/c she didn't get a chance to tell Lois one tidbit of info. Chloe didn't steal Lois's story.

This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a while.

[eas]

Originally posted by Bandista
So let me get this straight...

Lois walks into the Daily Planet, looking for Chloe to do her work for her...

Chloe offers her help, but Lois then suddenly decides she doesn't trust Chloe not to steal her story...

And people are dissing *Chloe* for what exactly?

From where I'm standing? If someone came looking for my help, the accused me of being dishonest enought to steal their work? Not only would I hand them their own ass, but I'd scoop them just to give them a *real* reason to distrust me.

Lois is the one who deserves the criticism here...not Chloe. Who the hell does she think she is?

We all know that Chloe keeps files on the bizzare and strange...there's no reason to believe that Chloe was keeping that info on the ring so that she could scoop Lois. It's more conceivable that she was keeping it for the digital WoW.

But whatever...I guess people have to dis Chloe for some reason, since their own fave character is so crappily written.

Lois asked Chloe if she could borrow her database & the only thing she kept from Chloe was the ring. She had a misgiving about sharing her exclusive info with Chloe (and it turned out that she was spot-on in that regard) and when Chloe called her on it, she considered Chloe's words & accepted that she was wrong about Chloe, immediately taking out the ring and handing it Chloe with a big grin.

Could it be that Lois was actually listening to her younger cousin when Chloe pointed out that her distrust was invalid? Could it be that Lois actually thought about Chloe's words and basically accepted that Chloe was right & she was wrong. *gasp* What a horrible person.

And regarding the last part... if you'd gone through the thread you would have realized that most of us are Chloe fans -- we love Chloe & we're dismayed at the direction the show is taking with her character. It has nothing to do with character bashing.

[AngylWylde]

I for one have actually liked LOIS a lot less recently. I went from liking her character a lot... to being very uncertain about that. She has been totally arrogant about now all of a sudden being in the 'biz.' It's almost a joke. She is almost taunting Chloe. It's ridiculous that she could even compare herself to Chloe at this point in time. Lois needs to earn her dues big time! And she's just now starting to do that. It seems to me that Lois has been out of line and Chloe knows this. If my cousin was acting so cocky, like Lois has been acting to Chloe, like she's as good or better at what Chloe has been doing for YEARS - and saying things like I was jealous - I would definitely be acting 'chillier' to her than Chloe is to Lois, no matter how much I loved her. That's not cool at all.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by Bookwrm17
The way Chloe said that she "might have forgotten to tell Lois" about the info certainly implies that she had no intention of doing so in the future.

And you know this because? Oh that's right, that's just your theory--not fact.

[Nospam]

Originally posted by khufu
Really, this whole thread is instigated by two people from DI. I'm sitting here trying to understand why, in an episode that was all about Lois, where Clark isn't saved by anyone, where a new DC hero is introduced in a big way, and where Chloe has only a very small role - why is there so much focus on Chloe-bashing? They've spent more time hating on Chloe than praising their favorite character, and I couldn't understand why..... until I read the responses at DI - aparently, all the Clois fans are incredibly bitter that there was no Clark jealousy of Oliver over Lois. Clark didn't give a rat's a$$ about Lois having a boyfriend - not like he did with Jimmy - and it seems that this has made for some very unhappy Clois fans. Solution? Let's get Chloe!!! Pathetic.

Yeah, so much for any "romantic" triangle between the three of them, at least so far. Just as I thought, the triangle would be one of a protective Clark looking out for Lois and not some grand romantic opera.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Can't we all agree that they both made mistakes?! My God they are not real...they dont have POVs or evil intentions the writers use them!

[TalkinMac]

Originally posted by RamonaE
Chloe is not a backstabber b/c she didn't get a chance to tell Lois one tidbit of info. Chloe didn't steal Lois's story.

This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a while.

I agree.

This thought hadn't even crossed my mind, I was too happy about the GA and CK encounter, bad Lionel, and dark Lana, and the black box.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by khufu
Really, this whole thread is instigated by two people from DI. I'm sitting here trying to understand why, in an episode that was all about Lois, where Clark isn't saved by anyone, where a new DC hero is introduced in a big way, and where Chloe has only a very small role - why is there so much focus on Chloe-bashing? They've spent more time hating on Chloe than praising their favorite character, and I couldn't understand why..... until I read the responses at DI - aparently, all the Clois fans are incredibly bitter that there was no Clark jealousy of Oliver over Lois. Clark didn't give a rat's a$$ about Lois having a boyfriend - not like he did with Jimmy - and it seems that this has made for some very unhappy Clois fans. Solution? Let's get Chloe!!! Pathetic.

I didn't start this thread as a "Clois" fan. I started it as a "Chlo-Lo" one. I have ALWAYS loved Chloe - and to say this is some attack because I'm bitter I didn't get Clark jealousy is the ACTUAL sad attempt at deflection.

Frankly - and you can "check at DI" - I was thrilled at the Clois we got. We had an honest to goodness third party acknowledgment of Clois. That's fricken pay-dirt.

So why aren't I happy? WELL, they are taking my ACTUAL favorite relationship - CHLOE and Lois - and trashing it.

This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a while.

And that's the rudest post. I'm pretty sure this forum has rules...

[eas]

Originally posted by khufu
Really, this whole thread is instigated by two people from DI. I'm sitting here trying to understand why, in an episode that was all about Lois, where Clark isn't saved by anyone, where a new DC hero is introduced in a big way, and where Chloe has only a very small role - why is there so much focus on Chloe-bashing? They've spent more time hating on Chloe than praising their favorite character, and I couldn't understand why..... until I read the responses at DI - aparently, all the Clois fans are incredibly bitter that there was no Clark jealousy of Oliver over Lois. Clark didn't give a rat's a$$ about Lois having a boyfriend - not like he did with Jimmy - and it seems that this has made for some very unhappy Clois fans. Solution? Let's get Chloe!!! Pathetic.

Um... I'm a Clois fan second and a Superman/Lois Lane fan first. I have no issues with the lack of jealousy. If you'd gone through those threads, you would have a seen a LOT of Clois/Lois fans that don't want the jealousy to happen too quickly. You'd also see that Chloe is generally a very loved character in the Lois fandom.

My feelings towards Chloe's role in this episode have nothing to do with the Clark/Lois relationship on the show. It has to do with the Chloe/Lois relationship on the show -- which is (imo) one of the best things about "SV". Not everything has to go back to a romantic ship.

[Bookwrm17]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
And you know this because? Oh that's right, that's just your theory--not fact.

The way she says "might have forgotton" makes it clear that she "forgot" on purpose. If she intentionally kept her in the dark, why would she fill her in latter?

And don't tell me she was "protecting" Lois. If that were the case she would have sounded concerned for her cousin, not so damn pleased with her own cleverness.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
I didn't start this thread as a "Clois" fan. I started it as a "Chlo-Lo" one. I have ALWAYS loved Chloe - and to say this is some attack because I'm bitter I didn't get Clark jealousy is the ACTUAL sad attempt at deflection.

Frankly - and you can "check at DI" - I was thrilled at the Clois we got. We had an honest to goodness third party acknowledgment of Clois. That's fricken pay-dirt.

So why aren't I happy? WELL, they are taking my ACTUAL favorite relationship - CHLOE and Lois - and trashing it.

I certainly haven't seen you create any threads accusing Lois of doing something.

[Polomontana]

I don't know why Lois fans are not celebrating a Lois episode, I guess this is like when Lois did T.V. guide and everybody wrote in about Chloe!!

[Nospam]

Let's solve this dilemma by proposing that in the next episode let's have Clark give Chloe a firm spanking for being such a naughty girl. And just so that Chloe won't forget about the incident Lois should video tape it as leverage.

There, problem solved!

[Bookwrm17]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I certainly haven't seen you create any threads accusing Lois of doing something.

Just what has Lois done that she should be accused of?

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by Bookwrm17
The way she says "might have forgotton" makes it clear that she "forgot" on purpose. If she intentionally kept her in the dark, why would she fill her in latter?

And don't tell me she was "protecting" Lois. If that were the case she would have sounded concerned for her cousin, not so damn pleased with her own cleverness.

Totally disagree w/ you here. You don't know anything except your own opinion.

We don't know if Chloe did in fact intend on keeping Lois in the dark about some little tidbit for perpetuity? We just don't know.

[lastdaughterofkrypton]

Originally posted by ginnyfan
I disagree that Chloe thinks that Lois is a complete and utter joke (however... I can't vouch for Chloisers and some Chloe fans...). But I do think that Chloe is a little territorial when it comes to journalism. If she didn't think Lois was competition she wouldn't be snippy about it.

I disagree that Chloe deceived Lois in any way. Season 3 Chloe hasn't gone anywhere. Chloe just keeps her reined in. And so she continued investigating something and hadn't told Lois (yet). We don't know that Chloe would have scooped her... she just couldn't sit around idol... and she couldn't help fantasizing about how she would write the article.

There's a reason that Lois hesitated to tell Chloe... and that reason is what makes Chloe roll her eyes and snipe and investigate stories that are not her own (all of which don't break her promise to Lois by the way)... Chloe is just blowing off steam. She made a promise to Lois, cute smile and all... that is VERY hard for her to keep. But she kept it.

I do think Lois and Chloe are going to Pow-wow about this as some point. Chloe's going to eventually have to acknowledge that this Lois journalism thing is not a passing phase. And this is a first step. Lois breaks a story that Chloe is DYING to have. It's gotta sting some no matter how much she loves Lois... but they'll Pow-wow and then have a cup of coffee together. Or Chloe will be petty and they'll never speak again. I vote for the former not the latter.

Love you. But I disagree. :)
WOW I will need a coat tomorrow because is probably snowing in my workplace I agree with you!!!

I think Chloe is a natural investigator and with a mistery like that she wouldn't lost the chance to use her experience investigating to do some research (the same way some detectives research cold cases for fun) it would have been more OOC to see Chloe sit in her ass while the story of a superhero passes by her eyes. And she totally kept her promise: she didn't promise to Temp Lois to not research on her own. I also think that if Temp Lois would had need that info later to have a better storu she will had give it to her, I also think that maybe she was doing it to make sure that if there was any danger she will warn Temp Lois before she got too close.
But again I think they had done this tiwce maybe there is a future arc in wich this could play off maybe Temp Lois ala Pete will be close to know about Clark Chloe is unable to cover up properly and she decides not to trust her anymore...

BTW
I work in hell hence the reference

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by Bookwrm17
Just what has Lois done that she should be accused of?

Have you checked out the Chlois theory thread by chance? There are plenty of accusations against Lois. I don't happen to agree w/ them but they're out there.

And what has Chloe actually done that people can accuse her of?

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Polomontana
I don't know why Lois fans are not celebrating a Lois episode, I guess this is like when Lois did T.V. guide and everybody wrote in about Chloe!!

^ OMG what a wonderful lois centered episode. (praise praise praise...etc.) yeah.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by Ireallylikethisshow
:D This made me much happier. I really do hope the Chloe and Lois friendship make it through this. They are such good friends... it would be awful to lose in the show. They are kind of like sisters in a sense.

I'm glad! :D

Yeah I think the Chlo-Lo love is undiminished but it's going through a bumpy time... in some ways. Chloe's got a devil on her shoulder that makes her very capable of what they are accusing her of... but her angel is what made her NOT scoop Lois and what will make her NOT investigate GA. But it is going to be VERY hard for her to continue on the straight and narrow as Lois will continue to write and Clark and GA will continue to interact and make headlines. I hope Chloe stays strong... Time will tell.

[eas]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
Can't we all agree that they both made mistakes?! My God they are not real...they dont have POVs or evil intentions the writers use them!

:lol: That's true. But, I have to admit, I come to K-site to talk to people about a show that I love... that very few of my friends will agree to watch. :) If I can't pretend they're real, then why come here to analyze it to death?? :)

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
I certainly haven't seen you create any threads accusing Lois of doing something.

Because she hasn't DONE anything!

Am I supposed to make something up?

In the past three episodes Chloe has:

1. Laughed at her desire to be a journalist
2. Made ungrateful snarky comments to Clark about being "forced" to live with Lois
3. Had an all around condescending attitude

And now this.

It's beyond ridiculous.


If you think it's fine to wreck one of the best relationships on the show - have fun with that.

I don't.

Season 4. Season 5. Chloe/Lois made the show owrth watching.

Chloe's attitude - CHLOE's - has changed.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Because she hasn't DONE anything!

Am I supposed to make something up?

In the past three episodes Chloe has:

1. Laughed at her desire to be a journalist
2. Made ungrateful snarky comments to Clark about being "forced" to live with Lois
3. Had an all around condescending attitude

And now this.

It's beyond ridiculous.


If you think it's fine to wreck one of the best relationships on the show - have fun with that.

I don't.

Season 4. Season 5. Chloe/Lois made the show owrth watching.

Chloe's attitude - CHLOE's - has changed.

You're actually accusing Chloe of being condescending? I thought Lois was the queen of condescension?

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by RamonaE
You're actually accusing Chloe of being condescending? I thought Lois was the queen of condescension?

When has Lois ever been condescending to Chloe?

We are talking about THEIR relationship. Lois is rough and tumble but she's ALWAYS worn kid gloves with Chloe. And Chloe is skeptical and serious, but has ALWAYS been light and completely trusting with Lois.

It's not true anymore.

The change is arbitrary and uncalled for.

[Absentee]

I'm glad Clark didn't tell Chloe about Green Arrow. I laughed when he did that :lol:

I loved Chloe's reaction. I'm glad he kept something for himself.

And Chloe is being written like she has no flaws. I liked her better when she made mistakes, it was more believable.

[Bookwrm17]

Originally posted by Polomontana
I don't know why Lois fans are not celebrating a Lois episode, I guess this is like when Lois did T.V. guide and everybody wrote in about Chloe!!

I AM glad we got a Lois episode. Really. But just to make sure you're convinced...

LYKOMGLOISEPISODEYAY!!111!!!:D :D :D !!11!1:D

*ahem*

I just happen to also be upset with the way Chloe acted, that's all.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Because she hasn't DONE anything!

Am I supposed to make something up?

In the past three episodes Chloe has:

1. Laughed at her desire to be a journalist
2. Made ungrateful snarky comments to Clark about being "forced" to live with Lois
3. Had an all around condescending attitude

And now this.

It's beyond ridiculous.


If you think it's fine to wreck one of the best relationships on the show - have fun with that.

I don't.

Season 4. Season 5. Chloe/Lois made the show owrth watching.

Chloe's attitude - CHLOE's - has changed.

Check out the Chlois theory thread. There are plenty of accusations flying around for all.

Secondly, no one is saying we want them to wreck a relationship. So don't put words in my mouth.

I happen to disagree w/ you that they're writing Chloe to be a backstabber. I think your bias is clearly showing here.

[eas]

Originally posted by RamonaE
You're actually accusing Chloe of being condescending? I thought Lois was the queen of condescension?

I thought they were two different characters? Is it impossible for Chloe to act condescending because Lois has been that way before? It's mutually exclusive -- Chloe is capable of being wrong. Chloe is capable of making bad decisions. Chloe can be unethical. It doesn't matter what Clark/Lois/Lex/Lana/Lionel and everyone else does -- Chloe can (and does) make mistakes, just like every other character. How others behave doesn't affect her ability to make judgement calls.

The difference is that when others do it then it's all over the place & it's all about the "bad writing" and "horrible character". When Chloe does it, it becomes "bashing".... hhmmm... I sense a double standard.

[VisionGirl]

I don't HAVE a bias. If I have one it'd be for the COUSINS.

If someone asked me tomorrow if I would rather see an episode dedicated entirely to Lois and Clark getting together or Chloe and Lois working as a reporting team - I would honestly pick the latter.

People are showing their slant -- but it's not me.

[Bookwrm17]

This is the second time you've said there are "plenty of acusations" about Lois. Care to elaborate?

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
When has Lois ever been condescending to Chloe?

We are talking about THEIR relationship. Lois is rough and tumble but she's ALWAYS worn kid gloves with Chloe. And Chloe is skeptical and serious, but has ALWAYS been light and completely trusting with Lois.

It's not true anymore.

The change is arbitrary and uncalled for.

And so you're putting this all on Chloe's character? I don't know about you but when Lois accused Chloe of being jealous of her, I thought that was snarky and I would have been offended.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Check out the Chlois theory thread. There are plenty of accusations flying around for all.

Secondly, no one is saying we want them to wreck a relationship. So don't put words in my mouth.

I happen to disagree w/ you that they're writing Chloe to be a backstabber. I think your bias is clearly showing here.

^bias you say!! how riddiculus there is no bias at all on this thread every single lois fan agrees with every single chloe fan and that is how it should be. :lol:

but seriously bias is showin on both sides and it's to be expected ALMOST everyone automaticaly thinks they are right about everything. so why shouldn't they be right about the motives and actions of their favorite charachters.

[eas]

Originally posted by Bookwrm17
I AM glad we got a Lois episode. Really. But just to make sure you're convinced...

LYKOMGLOISEPISODEYAY!!111!!!:D :D :D !!11!1:D

*ahem*

I just happen to also be upset with the way Chloe acted, that's all.

Second that. LOIS ROCKS!! And Lollie was pretty cool, too. I enjoyed it --- nice follow up to "Sneeze". Loved that Clark figured things out. Loved that he used his brain. Loved that Ollie gave him the speech in the end. Way to go with the Clollie scene.

The *only* part I didn't like was Chloe. It's the only thing... I miss my Chlo-Lo.

[TalkinMac]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
Because she hasn't DONE anything!

Am I supposed to make something up?

In the past three episodes Chloe has:

1. Laughed at her desire to be a journalist
2. Made ungrateful snarky comments to Clark about being "forced" to live with Lois
3. Had an all around condescending attitude

And now this.

It's beyond ridiculous.


If you think it's fine to wreck one of the best relationships on the show - have fun with that.

I don't.

Season 4. Season 5. Chloe/Lois made the show owrth watching.

Chloe's attitude - CHLOE's - has changed.

She hasn't laughed she is just shocked and a little intimidated. Because her cousin has decided to persue journalism on a whim. Maybe she is worried that Lois will overshadow her, or not have to work as hard as her, whatever the case may be I don't think she thought Lois was being completely serious about the matter.

When has she made snide remarks about Lois to Clark, maybe in a joking manner?

Chloe's attitude hasn't changed at all. All that has changed is Lois's sudden interest for journalism, and maybe there is some friendly competition going on, but they are cousins and friends, so I am sorry to burst anyone's bubble but I don't think Chloe is going to start scooping all of Lois's stories and making snide comments about her own blood.

[chumpy]

I find it odd that people are getting pidgeon-holed as DI members...perhaps we have more chlois lurkers than we thought...If you paid closer attention, well then you'd know that we adore the cousins over at DI.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Originally posted by VisionGirl
When has Lois ever been condescending to Chloe?

We are talking about THEIR relationship. Lois is rough and tumble but she's ALWAYS worn kid gloves with Chloe. And Chloe is skeptical and serious, but has ALWAYS been light and completely trusting with Lois.

It's not true anymore.

The change is arbitrary and uncalled for.

But who is doing this...THE WRITERS. They are the ones with control, not Chloe or Lois.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by Bookwrm17
This is the second time you've said there are "plenty of acusations" about Lois. Care to elaborate?

What are you talking about? Have you seriously not heard all the accusations about Lois, being obnoxious, lazy, a perpetual underachiever?

I don't happen to agree w/ them but those are some of the accusations.

[Bookwrm17]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
But who is doing this...THE WRITERS. They are the ones with control, not Chloe or Lois.

Which is my objection. The way Chloe is being written.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by RamonaE
And so you're putting this all on Chloe's character? I don't know about you but when Lois accused Chloe of being jealous of her, I thought that was snarky and I would have been offended.

Let's CORRECTLY quote Lois --- she didn't say Chloe was jealous of HER - she said she was jealous that someone else in the family could write. This is not being condescending - this is saying "Hey, cous, why aren't you more excited about this? What happened to welcoming me to the bullpen?"

And, apparently - she IS jealous.

Should she be? NO. I don't know why she's acting this way. That's my point.

Other people noticed this too --- check out Zoomway's review. Even she mentions something "off" with Chloe.

[maitriniazngurl]

Chloe is becoming more and more less important... well Lois has offically taken over fourth and becoming more involved in the story line... although Chloe is pretty important she will never be important as Lana or Lois.

I have to say Chloe isn't a bad person. She is pretty nice... she did keep info from Lois... but come on it's not like Lois tells her everything and she nevere really used the info anyways. She did give Lana bad advice last week b/c she told Lana what she wanted to hear... and she probably still wants Clark.

I say Chloe's a pretty nice person... she's just not as great as b4.

[eas]

Originally posted by BeldarofRemulak
But who is doing this...THE WRITERS. They are the ones with control, not Chloe or Lois.

Well, yeah. I'm saying that it's bad writing and that Chloe's being written out of character this season. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense -- this isn't the Chloe/Lois relationship I saw in season 4 & 5. It's completely out of nowhere.... and I don't like it. They're ruining one of the best aspects of the show.

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
What are you talking about? Have you seriously not heard all the accusations about Lois, being obnoxious, lazy, a perpetual underachiever?

I don't happen to agree w/ them but those are some of the accusations.

thats exactly it they are ACCUSATIONS bias observations made by people with ulterior motives. they aren't things that can be proved.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by chumpy
I find it odd that people are getting pidgeon-holed as DI members...perhaps we have more chlois lurkers than we thought...If you paid closer attention, well then you'd know that we adore the cousins over at DI.

Who cares if you love the cousins? The name of this thread is called Chloe=Backstabber? That's the attention grabber.

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by lastdaughterofkrypton
WOW I will need a coat tomorrow because is probably snowing in my workplace I agree with you!!!
...
BTW
I work in hell hence the reference

LOL! :D

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by thehenry89
thats exactly it they are ACCUSATIONS bias observations made by people with ulterior motives. they aren't things that can be proved.

I do recall JB saying he didn't agree with those accusations?

[eas]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
What are you talking about? Have you seriously not heard all the accusations about Lois, being obnoxious, lazy, a perpetual underachiever?

I don't happen to agree w/ them but those are some of the accusations.

Yeah, there are tons of those accusations floating around. Could be characterized as "Lois bashing" in fact.

But this thread's not about that -- it's about Chloe's role in "Arrow" & why she was acting out of character in regards to her relationship with Lois.

Originally posted by RamonaE
I do recall JB saying he didn't agree with those accusations?

Yes, he did. I still don't see how Lois-bashing is relevant here.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Who cares if you love the cousins? The name of this thread is called Chloe=Backstabber? That's the attention grabber.

Yeah - that was the intention. I know how to write an effective headline too.

I wonder if Chloe will start to resent me next...

[thehenry89]

Originally posted by RamonaE
I do recall JB saying he didn't agree with those accusations?

yeah i know i wasn't saying anything about JB.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, there are tons of those accusations floating around. Could be characterized as "Lois bashing" in fact.

But this thread's not about that -- it's about Chloe's role in "Arrow" & why she was acting out of character in regards to her relationship with Lois.



Yes, he did. I still don't see how Lois-bashing is relevant here.

He was asked by someone what the accusations where. He responded.

[the_real_lois_lane]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Who cares if you love the cousins? The name of this thread is called Chloe=Backstabber? That's the attention grabber.


EXACTLY

notice the question mark in that title. it's supposed to grab attention because it IS meant to be discussed...

[chumpy]

Ok cliffs notes version:

-We love Chloe
-Writers f*cking her up
-We no like

there does that help?

[Absentee]

Originally posted by maitriniazngurl


I say Chloe's a pretty nice person... she's just not as great as b4.

She's not as great as she was before because back then she made mistakes.

The writers' are writing her with no flaws whatsoever. Perfect isn't always so perfect when you can no longer relate to her character.

Chloe's character has been so unbelievable that it's really annoying. She has solved every piece of the puzzle on her own with no consequences whatsoever.

So yeah... she's a nice person, I agree. But she's not as GREAT as she was back then.

[eas]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
Who cares if you love the cousins? The name of this thread is called Chloe=Backstabber? That's the attention grabber.

It's about Chloe backstabbing Lois. They're the cousins. VG was answering a generalization that was being made that all Clois fans are DI members who hate Chloe. And I agree with her -- most Clois & Lois fans I've seen online (not just here but other boards) do seem to like Chloe a lot.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by the_real_lois_lane
EXACTLY

notice the question mark in that title. it's supposed to grab attention because it IS meant to be discussed...

uhhh...thank you for that description. I would have never known that message boards were for discussion.

[VisionGirl]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
uhhh...thank you for that description. I would have never known that message boards were for discussion.

Really? Not a good sign...

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by eas
Yeah, there are tons of those accusations floating around. Could be characterized as "Lois bashing" in fact.

But this thread's not about that -- it's about Chloe's role in "Arrow" & why she was acting out of character in regards to her relationship with Lois.



Yes, he did. I still don't see how Lois-bashing is relevant here.

Someone asked a question. I responded. He asked me about what accusations I had seen.

[the_real_lois_lane]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
uhhh...thank you for that description. I would have never known that message boards were for discussion.


apparently, you didn't know judging by your inability to understand the thread title.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by the_real_lois_lane
apparently, you didn't know judging by your inability to understand the thread title.

I think he does understand the question...a la he's discussing it.

[RemDiamond]

I didn't read all 16 pages so I don't know if it has been mentioned, but Chloe gave Lois all the information she had learned. She just didn't tell her she had a program that might be able to make out the symbol. Even though Lois asked to use the database, Chloe offered to help her and did help her even though Lois insulted Chloe. Chloe didn't use that info to write a story and told Clark she wasn't going to scoop Lois. Chloe is just naturally curious. I think she wanted to know for herself and she did learn alot that she didn't try to publish.

When Clark came to her at the end, Chloe knew that GA was a hero. She knew he was making donations to charities after he robbed crooks. Even with all the info Chloe gave Lois, Lois still thought GA kidnapped her even after he told her he saved her and she ended up away from the two men who were torturing her. Chloe shouldn't have to give Lois everything. Who knows, Chloe might have told Lois what her program revealed when she got the info. She was never given the chance and then she gave it to Clark to help find and save Lois.

[chumpy]

Originally posted by RamonaE
I think he does understand the question...a la he's discussing it.

Really?

Damn, then I've been doing it wrong all these years...

[ginnyfan]

Originally posted by chumpy
Ok cliffs notes version:

-We love Chloe
-Writers f*cking her up
-We no like

there does that help?

Couldn't all this be internal conflict bubbling up to the surface? That Chloe's wrestling with herself and her feelings about Lois being a journalist? Rather than some malicious act on Chloe's part... I mean time will tell... but venting to Clark is one thing... backstabbing Lois... that's something else that I would argue hasn't happened yet... if ever.

Technically Chloe didn't break her word... though if it were the other way around... Lois wouldn't do that to Chloe... however, Lois doesn't have the issues with... overzealousness at the expense of friends that Chloe has.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by chumpy
Ok cliffs notes version:

-We love Chloe
-Writers f*cking her up
-We no like

there does that help?

the writers are f*cking up more than just Chloe. The whole season started off crappy. I think the whole Chloe=Backstabbing thing is not even the tip of the iceberg.

Note: I don't believe Chloe=Backstabbing.

[RamonaE]

Originally posted by chumpy
Really?

Damn, then I've been doing it wrong all these years...

And who are you and why do I care?

[eas]

Originally posted by Joe Bob
the writers are f*cking up more than just Chloe. The whole season started off crappy. I think the whole Chloe=Backstabbing thing is not even the tip of the iceberg.

Note: I don't believe Chloe=Backstabbing.

Okay, I won't disagree with you there. But, again, that's not the topic of this thread. There are other threads to talk about all the other things that SV is screwing up.

This is specifically (based on the title) about how the writers are screwing up the Chloe/Lois relationship. Agree or disagree... but that's what it's about.

[VisionGirl]

Hmm...you're right. It's not quite...

What about:

Chloe + Lois - divulging information X private investigation ^ (Condescending) = Backstabber

That might have been more accurate.

It's been sent off for peer review.

We're all very hopeful