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Rafael122
10-19-2006, 08:06 PM
We've had Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and Cyborg (IIRC), and all of them said the same about how there's an entire world to be saved, but up until the Green Arrow, he never took that advice seriously.

I think the Green Arrow/Queen is getting to him, in a good way.

coasterprincess
10-19-2006, 08:08 PM
Yeah...because he is so different from Clark, he has to notice him. GA is good about pushing Clark without completely going over the edge. I think he's going to be a big part of Clark realizing how big his calling is throughout this season.

FiveForFighting09
10-19-2006, 08:10 PM
yep..that scene in the barn was a awesome scene....just the expression Clark had on his face in that last scene was as if it just occured to him how much the world needs saving......well done GA!!

angelfire east
10-19-2006, 08:12 PM
Clark has seem it, he have lived it, and he's been told it and frankly I don't think Clark cares enough that there a whole world out there that needs to be saved.

moviefan2k4
10-19-2006, 08:16 PM
In this version of the story; I see Oliver as the sort of "older brother" type that Clark never had. One of his purposes (besides stopping crime and flattering the rich) is to educate Clark on how desperate society really is for a hero.

It also ties a little bit into that line from Superman Returns: "You say the world doesn't need a savior, Lois...but every day, I hear it crying out for one."

FiveForFighting09
10-19-2006, 08:16 PM
or maybe he just didn't want to risk his secret and go off saving other people....it could be that or other reasons..but i do think Clark cares

alienkinfolk
10-19-2006, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark has seem it, he have lived it, and he's been told it and frankly I don't think Clark cares enough that there a whole world out there that needs to be saved.

I agree, Clark knows there's a big world out there...its just not tops on his list yet. But then he's never had anyone stick around Smallville long enough to really get under his skin about it until now.

trunks3000
10-19-2006, 08:23 PM
well, jonathan kent constantly said things like "your destiny lies far beyond those cornfields out there", but GA, being on the same playing field (kind of), truly challenged him to step up- and clark's listening.

Coyote
10-19-2006, 08:26 PM
It's about time. Clark has wasted over 100 episodes saving the same 5 or 6 people over and over. Even Zod was mainly a personal feud for him. Clark is still a young guy, of course, but at this point he should be starting to fulfill his true potential. Green Arrow could be an interesting influence on him.

alienkinfolk
10-19-2006, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by trunks3000
well, jonathan kent constantly said things like "your destiny lies far beyond those cornfields out there", but GA, being on the same playing field (kind of), truly challenged him to step up- and clark's listening.

Yeah his dad did of course but its different when your peers are telling you the same thing.

wraith808
10-19-2006, 08:39 PM
I think one of the reasons Clark has shied away from his 'potential' has been Jor-el, and the other reason has been Jonathan.

Jor-el always told him that he had a destiny- Clark was always running away from this nebulous destiny so hard that he didn't have time to focus on anything other than what was going on around him- for fear that he might be fulfilling his destiny.

Jonathan was a good influence in the ways that counted. But the one area that held Clark back was his need to protect Clark, and how he infected Clark with this fear of his secret becoming known.

At least IMO...

Daspoo
10-19-2006, 09:08 PM
I think if GA has an influence on Clark, it'll be b/c GA is just an ordinary guy (i.e., no special abilities) and is gettin' out there and doin' his thang without fear. Clark could come to that realization and start to really think globally instead of having Smallville/Metropolis tunnel-vision.

angelfire east
10-19-2006, 09:22 PM
Clark shouldn't need somone around to "get under his skin" about it or "challenge him" or teach him. He knows enough by now to save the world, that the world needs saving but he just doesn't care enough.

The Clark Kent I know and love, (comics!) doesn't need to be fouced into being a hero or being told how too.

Kel-El
10-19-2006, 09:34 PM
I loved that scene in the barn with Oliver and Clark. I think one of the reasons Clark hasn't tried to be a savior to the world is because for his whole life he has wanted to be normal. He was raised as a human being and has never wanted people to see him any differently.

I agree with Daspoo. Clark needs to stop being selfish and limiting himself to Smallville. I think it's time that he finally embrace that fact that he's diffent and use his abilities on a much larger scale.

WalterK
10-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark shouldn't need somone around to "get under his skin" about it or "challenge him" or teach him. He knows enough by now to save the world, that the world needs saving but he just doesn't care enough.

The Clark Kent I know and love, (comics!) doesn't need to be fouced into being a hero or being told how too.

There are couple of points to keep in mind for the SMALLVILLE story. Clark has been plenty busy dealing with all of the threats in SMALLVILLE and metropolis (and there are always plenty of local threats in a TV show!). Last season he had to deal with Milton Fine, and this year he will have similar foes. He also has a lot of emotional difficulties related to Jor-El and his Kryptonian heritage. He feels that Krypton has brought a lot of misery to the folks he loves, and he is part of the Kryptonian package.

He will eventually stop blaming himself for all that has happened and start seeing himself as a hero who can do a lot of good. ALMiles wanted to do a new take on the old story, so in their version, Clark gets help. One theme from tonight is the special bond between superheroes. You can see that in time, they will regard each other as their family.

wb-superman
10-19-2006, 09:58 PM
Clark now realized that Green Arrow is right about the whole world need him. Thanx 2 Green Arrow.

TalkinMac
10-19-2006, 10:20 PM
I agree I was so thrilled someone finally came out and said there are others out there who need our help.

angelfire east
10-20-2006, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by WalterK
There are couple of points to keep in mind for the SMALLVILLE story. Clark has been plenty busy dealing with all of the threats in SMALLVILLE and metropolis (and there are always plenty of local threats in a TV show!). Last season he had to deal with Milton Fine, and this year he will have similar foes. He also has a lot of emotional difficulties related to Jor-El and his Kryptonian heritage. He feels that Krypton has brought a lot of misery to the folks he loves, and he is part of the Kryptonian package.

He hasn't been that busy IMO. Clark felt the pain and heart ache first hand people everywhere are feeling in Vengeance but he still didn't feel any need to give up a hour and portal or something, anything to do more help. Remember this is a guy how had to be pushed (fouced) into helping underprivileged child on X-mas eve.

Originally posted by TalkinMac
I agree I was so thrilled someone finally came out and said there are others out there who need our help.

Did AC basicly say that before? IMO it shouldn't need saying, all a person as to do is open there eyes to see it.

AlwaysAround
10-20-2006, 03:58 AM
All this crap about "there is a whole world out there that needs you Clark" has been said before. Like I said it's all just a multi episode rehash of Aqua. GA really has no other purpose than to get Clark to realize his feelings for Lois. That is the only real purpose the character serves. I can't wait till all the wannabes go back home and leave the hero work to the real Man of Steel.

The only other thing about this GA arc that I'm curious about is how the break up of GA and Lois will go, cause you know he's going bye bye in 5 episodes now (give or take a couple episodes in between that he doesn't appear in). Will it be yet another boring Aqua rehash of "I've got to leave and I don't think I'll be coming back" or will lois actually break up with GA after finding out who he is, and how he likes to steal little trinkets (and Clark is right, wrong is wrong no matter how many good deeds are done in it's place)? Personally I think it'd be a lot more intersting that way. I can see GA pointing out to Lois "You know . . . you and Clark really have more in common than I first thought." It could better serve the show that way and give a nice hint towards Clois.

InLove_with_Chloe
10-20-2006, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Rafael122
We've had Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and Cyborg (IIRC), and all of them said the same about how there's an entire world to be saved, but up until the Green Arrow, he never took that advice seriously.

I think the Green Arrow/Queen is getting to him, in a good way.

It looks like there might be a good chance, yeah!!!
:)

Dor el
10-20-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark has seem it, he have lived it, and he's been told it and frankly I don't think Clark cares enough that there a whole world out there that needs to be saved.

Yes he does. He just doesn't know it yet.

HalJordan4184
10-20-2006, 12:46 PM
If he doesn't know it, then he doesn't care.

angelfire east
10-20-2006, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by HalJordan4184
If he doesn't know it, then he doesn't care.

WORD!

Dor el
10-20-2006, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by HalJordan4184
If he doesn't know it, then he doesn't care.

Let me rephrase. He doesn't know what to do yet or how to go about getting started. I don't see any indication where Clark doesn't give a flip about the world. I think Clark is a very caring character. Most of what he has done was not done for selfish reasons. Things just didn't always turn out quite like he intended.

He has been so engulfed with his immediate world that he hasn't stopped to consider the rest of the world's need for him and his abilities. That doesn't mean he doesn't care. He knows he likes to help people and he does when the opportunity presents itself. Maybe the future Superman is more likely to go out and hunt for people to save, but even that character likes to have time for his beloved "normal" life issues. Clark is trying to reconcile with the fact that he will never have a "normal" life. Superman has already made that acknowledgement. Again, I point out that Clark has not embraced his Superman self. In fact, Clark doesn't even know that Superman exists. Some might say that Superman doesn't exist until Clark leaves home, travels the world, and sets up housekeeping in Metropolis. I subscribe to this philosophy.

It's just that most, but definitely not all, of his experiences have been related to his friends, neighbors, and family. I think it's pretty natural to be primarily and most concerned with the people in one's immediate vicinity. As we grow, most of us become more aware of the vastness of the world. Spend your entire life in one small town and it's easy to be unaware of the world as a whole. Given GA's little speech at the end, I think Clark will come to think in broader terms and will start to share his abilities with the world. I see no need to beat up on SV Clark. He's coming along.

Theshadow129x
10-20-2006, 01:42 PM
thats what the main problem is with this show, Clark Kent needing someone to tell him what he should be doing, people tellign him he needs to stop being selfish, the new Clark Kent (post crisis) in the comics realizes that he has a caling and has powers to save people, this Clark kent needs so much encouragement and pushing that when he says i like to save people and then doesnt want to share his power with the world to save everyone, it makes him look selfish, yes it as a good scene i liked it but at the same time Clark Kent shouldnt have to be pushed to be superman. it makes it seem like he didnt have a choice in the matter.

Cornelia
10-20-2006, 01:51 PM
It´s called growing up. :D

Clark already cares, but he´s still very young. Now he gets to realize that the world outside of Smallville needs him. The next step will be to overcome his fear of discovery and at the same time to find a way to protect his Clark Kent identity - and to develop the character with the tights and the cape... But all this has to happen at the same time. I´m thrilled to see how TPTB will deal with that.

Dor el
10-20-2006, 01:57 PM
Remember, SV Clark has been taught and taught well for as long as he can remember to keep his secret. Even as a young child, the Kents kept Clark away from other kids. Being separate or apart has been hisl life so far. It's not easy to unlearn all you were taught for 18 years and then overnight lightswitch it off. He has spent his entire life in a small town. I get the impression that the Kents couldn't afford to take many far away vacations. I think it is natural for him to be unaware of the world he has received so little exposure to. I think it is very natural and expected for this Clark to be thinking in small terms.He is venturing out and as he becomes more aware of the world in general the more he will be willing and desiring to help that world. In fact, he has saved the world how many times? GA wasn'tpushing Clark to be Superman. He was encouraging him to do some soul searching, some heavy duty soul searching. GA sees the potential in Clark that Clark doesn't see in himself. He has spent so much time and effort feelng responsible for everything bad in SV that he pretty much sees himself as less than worthless. He has some real self image issues.

Kryptonian-Ronin
10-20-2006, 02:13 PM
Kal-El has no self image issues.

margroks
10-20-2006, 02:18 PM
You do remember Clark saved the whole world three episodes ago? He doesn't nee anyone to tell him that. He just has to work on doing what he's been doing all along with more confidence.

jimmyolsenblues
10-20-2006, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Rafael122
We've had Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and Cyborg (IIRC), and all of them said the same about how there's an entire world to be saved, but up until the Green Arrow, he never took that advice seriously.

I think the Green Arrow/Queen is getting to him, in a good way.

And that is what makes this a good episode and a good season so far with regards to clark.

He was proactively saving the world because he thought it was his fault that lex caused all those problems.
Now Ollie is giving him a push towards superman and its great.
Hey Clark there is a whole world out there to save, don't wait for them to come to you. I loved it.

Dor el
10-20-2006, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Kal-El has no self image issues.

:) Is Kal el still in there somewhere?

Clark, I believe does.

last man of krypton
10-20-2006, 03:38 PM
I'm still not sure Clark recognizes the world needs him.

Oliver: Clark, You have abilities I couldn't even dream of. And I admire that you use them to help those close to you.
Clark: But...? (at this point, I'm thinking, "isn't it obvious what he's getting at?!!". This is now my interpretation of the rest of the scene)
Oliver: There's a whole world of people out there Clark.
Clark: Uh huh...
Oliver: They need us.
Clark: Not following you.
Oliver: With your potential, you can't wait for them to come to you.
Clark: I don't understand.
Oliver: (shows a globe) There's more out there than just Smallville.
Clark: You sure?
Oliver: There are billions of people out there who could use your help.
Clark: I still don't understand.
Oliver: Forget it. Go play with your baseball, Chloe will be of more use.
Clark: Okay! <Runs into corner and starts bouncing baseball>

Timester
10-20-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by angelfire east
Clark shouldn't need somone around to "get under his skin" about it or "challenge him" or teach him. He knows enough by now to save the world, that the world needs saving but he just doesn't care enough.

The Clark Kent I know and love, (comics!) doesn't need to be fouced into being a hero or being told how too.

Unfortunally, Smallville's Clark does need help. I don't care who or what, I just want this Clark to move on.

Originally posted by margroks
You do remember Clark saved the whole world three episodes ago? He doesn't nee anyone to tell him that. He just has to work on doing what he's been doing all along with more confidence.

Considering that it was his own fault and that the world was about to be destroyed, he couldn't just ignore it. ;)

impulse110779
10-20-2006, 04:44 PM
I think it also helps that GA has no powers, shows clark hey there is someone out there that has no powers and is willing to risk his neck for the world that he loves.

WalterK
10-20-2006, 07:32 PM
The basic problem is that this show is supposed to be about Clark's journey to become Superman, and the writers are trying to drag the journey out as long as possible. So, they basically gave him a ton of angst and made him a very reluctant and mopey guy. If he did not have the reluctance, it would have been a very short journey and Smallville could have easily ended with the fourth season.

wraith808
10-20-2006, 07:54 PM
^ has it exactly right. So expect to see a lot more of it. IMO better that than the story ending early...

HalJordan4184
10-20-2006, 10:58 PM
I'd rather see a quality story end early, than look at a pile of garbage, that occasionally coughs up a gem or two.

wraith808
10-21-2006, 01:48 AM
But the point is it's *not* a pile of garbage. It seems that in every case in every medium, people tend to think that they a) could see so much more in the situation even with reduced knowledge and b) could do so much better a job than the writers. Sure, there have been missteps, but the show has been quality, at least IMO. And I'd prefer not to rush to an ending.

Dor el
10-21-2006, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by wraith808
But the point is it's *not* a pile of garbage. It seems that in every case in every medium, people tend to think that they a) could see so much more in the situation even with reduced knowledge and b) could do so much better a job than the writers. Sure, there have been missteps, but the show has been quality, at least IMO. And I'd prefer not to rush to an ending.

How rational of you! If we could do a better job of writing this show, producing this show, and directing this show, then maybe we would be in the drivers's seat with the show. I feel certain that there are designs for, limitations on, and restraints on the show we may not be aware of. Could the show have been better? Probably. But I suspect, as was said above, the show would've been brief.

I really am grateful to have something to watch that doesn't entirely consist of "hey you girl, me guy, let's hit the sack, Or, a crime has been committed. Let's figure it out, solve the case, and try the criminal in 1 hour. Or, let's come up with a really gross or disgusting set of circumstances and put some smucks on an island and see what they do. Or, let's watch teenagers or adults with teenaged mentalities do stupid stuff. Or whatever else is on. I like the simplicity and somewhat innocence of superhero sagas, although, even those programs are getting darker and steamier.

I enjoy watching SV and I am amused by the posters who constantly crititize or complain about how stupid the show is, how the writers have messed up the mythos, how Clark's character has been destroyed, how the special effects are subpar, and how x,y,and z are wrong, yet apparently posters still watch the show. Don't get me wrong. If I were in control of the show, I suspect I would have done some things differenty. I just don't happen to agree that the show is a total waste.

In the Superman world or should I say worlds, there are things that are not consistent within the mythos considering the various mediums used to depict the man of steel. I think it would be quite difficult to reconcile all that has gone on in the Superman world in one show. Taking bits and pieces from all of the different mediums could not result in a Clark Kent/Superman show that satisfies everyone. If they took just one incarnation of Superman and produced a tv show or a movie, would it make it in the competitive market? Then, wouldn't the show be just more of the same? A been there, done that, seen that kind of thing? Melding different perspectives on Superman, it seems, would result in something that is different. SV is different in that way. I like not knowing what's gonna go on and how they will incorporate different historical superman info. I like watching a new take on things and it is comforting to know that regardless of what happens to Clark, things will turn out OK in the end. I look forward to seeing how TPTB reconcile all the apparent inconsistencies and truly hope they do attempt to offer some solutions to this. It's kind of like watching historical fiction. They embellish history, while maintaining true to the main events in history. TPTB have backed themselves into a corner with some of the things they have done like everyone knowing Clark as a youth, having Clark met Lois as a teenager, having Clark be good friends with Lex early on, etc. I do wonder how TPTB will fix this. So, I keep watching. It would seem, so do you.

Caper 469
10-21-2006, 08:28 AM
Clark's been through alot the past year. He looses then his freindship with Lex. then his girlfreind Lana. His father passes away. He comes to know more about Jorel, then looses him after saving the world. His mom is very busy with a new job and Chloe and Lois have moved on to new relationships. He is now free of of the relationshipsthat held him back when Jorel first asked him to leave, remember when his parents lost their baby and the celler exploded. That is why I think the Green Arrow's advice will have a greater impact than past superheoroes. It's now time for Jorel to return!

Caper 469
10-21-2006, 08:28 AM
Clark's been through alot the past year. He looses then his freindship with Lex. then his girlfreind Lana. His father passes away. He comes to know more about Jorel, then looses him after saving the world. His mom is very busy with a new job and Chloe and Lois have moved on to new relationships. He is now free of of the relationshipsthat held him back when Jorel first asked him to leave, remember when his parents lost their baby and the celler exploded. That is why I think the Green Arrow's advice will have a greater impact than past superheoroes. It's now time for Jorel to return!

bobser
10-25-2006, 05:45 AM
I don't know if it's so much Clark is being selfish, or if he's just so modest he really doesn't see himself in such a capacity.

A few episodes ago (someone will have to remind me which) Chloe mentioned to Clark that he was a hero and his response right-off was "I'm not a hero."

Saviour of Earth
10-25-2006, 09:20 AM
Clark up till seasin 5 or 6 has seen his powers more as a curse and a burden then something good.
And he is only 20 years old in the comics he isnt supes until he is almost 30.
Just to let people know this show isnt about his journey to becoming Superman, this show is about a young clark kent dealing with normal teenage problems at the same time saving people's lives and learning about his powers and such.
Do not be surprised if they do not give us supes in the end, i reckon they will leave the ending in an unresolved way.

HalJordan4184
10-25-2006, 09:33 AM
From TPTB own mouths, this show is about Clark Kent's journey to Superman. Unfortunately, we haven't even embarked on that journey yet. And from the protducers mouths also, we won't see Smallville synch up with snythign SUperman related til the final episode, so in other words, i'm expecting a lightswitch.

I love how people throw out the phrase he's "becoming proactive now". No he isn't. He's responding to things already happening. By definition, that is not being proactive. Being proactive is attempting to stop something, before it happens or escalates out of your control. Clark has yet to do that. Even with Zod, he putzed around all season four, AVOIDING his task, and as a result Brainiac arrives, and sets the whole thing in motion. And rather than try to stop it there, he puts it off, until the last second, fails, and it escalates again. Then he gets back, and is stopping Zod, and people think he's being proactive. I honestly don't understand how that's being proactive, when everything that transpired the last two seasons, was due to Clark being so reluctant, any bad guy could have walked in and taken over in a heartbeat, without so much as a whimper from Clark.

This show has failed in it's premise already, to give us a realistic portrayel of how THIS CLARK KENT, becomes the Superman WE ALREADY KNOW. The goal of this show as so many people state, was never to give us anything new. From the beginning of Season One, TPTB have said this show is going to end with the Superman we all know, it's just the getting there that they want to show us. AND THEY AREN'T. CLark is going to be 21 years old, and he's still at home, still whining, and still not doing much of anything. Sure, Superman didn't debut til he was almost thirty, but you know what, he wasn't sitting at home ont he farm until he was 28 and a half either. He was out, being Superman, just minus the costume. THe beauty of the Superman character, and what made the character unique, was the fact, he didn't have much of a journey. Superman, wasn't some far off goal for him, that he suddenly realized one day, after much strife and angst, that he needed to become. Clark Kent, for better or worse, pretty much always was Superman, just with how he was raised, and the attitudes and beliefs he carried with him. H may nothave known he was going to wear tights and a cape, but from the time he was in high school, onward, he knew he was going to be different, and somehow special to the world, he just didn't know quite how. THis Clark, denies that fact about himself, and tries to kid everyone into thinking he has no destiny, or even goal, and is more than happy playing with his ball in the barn.

Kryptonian-Ronin
10-25-2006, 09:38 AM
It seems like THIS Clark is headed for a "life altering event" to make him move his arse.
Problem is, after the death of his father, the appearance of Zod and a sleuth of other 'life altering events" it hasn't worked yet so I cna forsee any even BIGGER life altering events.

kickarse
10-25-2006, 11:07 AM
This is going to be one of the MOST important seasons for all character but especially for Clark.

All about Clark
10-26-2006, 01:25 AM
I agree that Clark is modest and doesn't see himself as a Superman yet. He is also still dealing with the stuff he feels responsible for. He is trying to save people without being found it. He hasn't figured out that in order to help people worldwide that he would need a disquise. He also still has the problem of still believing he can not be found out. I think all in all Clark has alot to reconcile before he can become Superman and I'm interested in seeing how TPTB pull it off. I prefer not to criticize and to enjoy the ride. And I'd like to remind people that he just had his 19th birthday at the end of S5. He still has a lot of time to grow and become the man we want him to be.

HalJordan4184
10-26-2006, 08:53 AM
No he doesn't, because this show isn't going to run for ten more seasons. It's a cop out to end it after seven seasons, adn just say, and then he became Superman, the end.

neilmajithia
10-26-2006, 12:32 PM
People people! What do you guys want from clark kent? Hes a 20 year old! Hes not superman. Every single person here had the ability to help the world in thier own way, that doesnt mean people do or even want to, so does that mean clark should automaticaly start "saving the world"? The whole way through the show, he has tried to be normal and used his powers as and when needed. Why should he go proactive. I think people need to stop confusing young clark with superman (without the costume)

jimmyolsenblues
10-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by neilmajithia
People people! What do you guys want from clark kent? Hes a 20 year old! Hes not superman. Every single person here had the ability to help the world in thier own way, that doesnt mean people do or even want to, so does that mean clark should automaticaly start "saving the world"? The whole way through the show, he has tried to be normal and used his powers as and when needed. Why should he go proactive. I think people need to stop confusing young clark with superman (without the costume)

You are absolutely right but..... there is space between thinking like superman and being a big dumb alien.
I think people are just tired with the big dumb approach to life, like asking chloe for help all the time, once use your own head to solve a problem. chloe won't be there to hold your hand later.

neilmajithia
10-26-2006, 12:47 PM
I dont think hes dumb, I just think hes learning. You cant expect him to be a super hero right away, It isnt all about the powers. I mean, he was raised human, not in some x-men style training school where he learns how to be a hero. Its not like he does nothing, he saves poeple when he needs to, the day he turns proactive is the day hes superman, and so would need a disguise to do what he does. Otherwise what is the difference?

HalJordan4184
10-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Clark is far from simply truning proactive and being superman. He needs the attitudes, behaviors and beliefs of superman to be superman.Superman is a lot more than Clark wearing tights, and saying here i am.

ClarksGal
10-26-2006, 02:59 PM
Clark is 19 years old, which is an incredibly transitory time in a person's life. When you are a kid, it's easy to see right and wrong, but they are not your values, they are your parent's values that you are expected to obey. When you get out into the world as a young adult, you realize that things are not as black and white as they seemed in high school. You have to kind of feel your way through, and a lot of people at that age feel inexperienced and unsure of what they stand for. It is right around this time that people start forming their opinions about the type of men and women they want to become. I think this show is on the right timeline.

I also think it's moving in the right direction. There have been some seeds planted for Clark to start to figure out how he wants to live his life. I am really looking forward to the Fortress reboot, because I'm really interested to see how Clark interacts with Jor-El, now that he knows that he is a good guy. Up until now, Clark has thought that his heritage was something to be ashamed of. For the first time, he can feel pride in who he is and where he came from, and maybe he can start to build a more positive identity for himself.

Kryptonian-Ronin
10-26-2006, 03:04 PM
Clark is 19 ?
Doesn't one season = One year ?

ClarksGal
10-26-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Clark is 19 ?
Doesn't one season = One year ?

Yes, and Clark was 18 when he and Lana first slept together in S5.

neilmajithia
10-26-2006, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Clark is far from simply truning proactive and being superman. He needs the attitudes, behaviors and beliefs of superman to be superman.Superman is a lot more than Clark wearing tights, and saying here i am.

I think you misunderstood me. What i meant was when he starts doing what a lot of people are asking of clark now, proactivly saving people and acting like a hero is when he becomes superman, thats what makes becomeing superman symbolic. If he changes into that now, what would the suit mean anymore?

HalJordan4184
10-27-2006, 09:42 AM
That's the problem, TPTB think the suit makes CLark Superman. It doesn't. It's who Clark is that makes him Superman, and unfortunately, this Clark has a long way to go. Much more than can be covered in two seasons.

Koma
10-27-2006, 10:50 AM
Maybe now that Rya will be here, she'll teach him the right way. Then, when they kill her off in some horrible way, Clark will wake up and get off his butt.

Charybdis
10-28-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by ClarksGal
Clark is 19 years old, which is an incredibly transitory time in a person's life. When you are a kid, it's easy to see right and wrong, but they are not your values, they are your parent's values that you are expected to obey. When you get out into the world as a young adult, you realize that things are not as black and white as they seemed in high school.

The whole premise of Superman in general is that he does see issues in black and white and does not compromise in his morality. If he didn't see things in black and white, he would have no qualms with murdering Lex before he turned into Zod.

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
Clark is 19 ?
Doesn't one season = One year ?

There is no law in television that states one season is equivalent to one year in the story line. That's just an assumption viewers make.

HalJordan4184
10-28-2006, 12:27 PM
except on smallville one season has equaled one year. First season was freshman year, second season sophomore year, third season junior year, fourth season senior year, fifth season freshman year of college, and now this year is sophomore year of college.