Clark Vs. The Green Arrow

[superspider02]

How did u like or not like the scenes where clark and ollie where with each other. Post your thoughts on what happened between them.

[TheSupaMan]

Well let's see.

From my perspective, Ollie was getting his ass kicked.

[KEakaCK]

Yeah, Kick his a#% back to where he came from Clark... :lol:

[Rift]

I liked their chemistry--they make a cute couple.

[HowardFilms]

Clolliver.....

[Pal-El]

Olliark:p

[wraith808]

well, you have to expect him to get is butt handed to him... he didn't even know about Clark's abilities...

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by wraith808
well, you have to expect him to get is butt handed to him... he didn't even know about Clark's abilities...

speaking of which, what the 'ell is up with him figuring out in 2 seconds that Clark is "special"? Clark pushes him, and then all of a sudden, "hey, you're that guy that can run super speed and lift full cows"... if it were that simple, even Lana's annoying a_ _ woulda figured it out. And LOIS even, especially after the last episode and Clark blowing the friggin' barn door off...duh!

ugh, the story development in these first episodes of the season is seriously lacking, just like I was afraid of...

This really should be the last season... either that or flog the writers.

[wraith808]

^ Clark pushes him *across a room*. That's enough for me. And Lois didn't see Clark blow the door off... and he hasn't done anything in front of anyone like he did there... c'mon now...

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by wraith808
^ Clark pushes him *across a room*. That's enough for me. And Lois didn't see Clark blow the door off... and he hasn't done anything in front of anyone like he did there... c'mon now...

ok, cmon now...how many people has Clark *pushed across a room* and no questions about him or his abilities have come up... and no, she didn't see the door fly off - but she HAS seen Clark at every major dangerous situation she's been in, and all of a sudden everything works out; not to mention him being at other events and things working out.

The writers must have part-time jobs...

[binskipy2u]

i wouldve rather seen the arrow literally bounce off of clark.. or GA shooting something far away and clark racing right infront of him, getting it and bringing it back..
that wouldve made this episode, besides that it was ok..

[wraith808]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. If I was standing in front of someone with my same build, and I know that I work out as much as GA does, and someone *easily* pushes me across the room, I'd know *something* was up.

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by wraith808
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. If I was standing in front of someone with my same build, and I know that I work out as much as GA does, and someone *easily* pushes me across the room, I'd know *something* was up.

We can agree to disagree. :) But I wouldn't say that Clark and Ollie have the same build. And yeah, I'd suspect something if a guy (any guy) pushed me across a room with one hand. But it still doesn't support why Ollie would figure it out, but in five past seasons, nobody else pushed got it.

But again, just my $0.02... :)

[wraith808]

He didn't say *what* was going on with Clark, just that "someone other than me has a secret". He was surprised when Clark got out of the way, and was surprised when Clark helped him. I think he knows that Clark has abilities (strength- dodged out of the way of a point blank shot), but doesn't know the extent of the abilities...

[Daspoo]

Originally posted by wraith808
He didn't say *what* was going on with Clark, just that "someone other than me has a secret". He was surprised when Clark got out of the way, and was surprised when Clark helped him. I think he knows that Clark has abilities (strength- dodged out of the way of a point blank shot), but doesn't know the extent of the abilities...

But he made reference to Clark causing the electric craziness on the roof when he [Ollie as GA] was there with Lois with very little surprise. In fact, I think that's my issue with it - Ollie was so matter-of-fact about it, in both instances, like it's such an easy thing to notice now, as opposed to earlier seasons. The lack of consistency causes me problems.

[WalterK]

Yes, the GA figured it out way too quickly. I'm not too bothered by it because it's one of those suspensions of disbelief needed to enjoy the show. The writers could have had GA suspect Clark for several episodes and then confront him, but they have another story in mind. It's just a coincidence that most people never directly see Clark use his abilities even during years of knowing him, but GA learns right away. Even Chloe had to wait several seasons before she saw him in action.

[origin1981]

Originally posted by Daspoo
speaking of which, what the 'ell is up with him figuring out in 2 seconds that Clark is "special"? Clark pushes him, and then all of a sudden, "hey, you're that guy that can run super speed and lift full cows"... if it were that simple, even Lana's annoying a_ _ woulda figured it out. And LOIS even, especially after the last episode and Clark blowing the friggin' barn door off...duh!

ugh, the story development in these first episodes of the season is seriously lacking, just like I was afraid of...

This really should be the last season... either that or flog the writers.

He did see clark catch an arrow in midair.

[gj430]

when did he catch an arrow didn't he just dodge it and it hit the guard.

also did anybody wonder about or hope that they didn't have a camera in the place Clark first confronted GA with all the green beams. Clark has to be more careful. People could have cameras in places like that and he can't just waltz in and be in direct view. Even if they didn't see powers they could see he was trespassing and somehow involved with GA even if he was against him. If it were somewhere else that could and Clark was there it wouldn't be good if they saw him maybe using powers.

[AngylWylde]

Green Arrow is far more intelligent than Clark, which is sad. But I liked their uneasy truce.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by gj430
when did he catch an arrow didn't he just dodge it and it hit the guard.

GA shot two arrows at him. The first one he caught. The second one he dodged.

[gj430]

I'll have have to check for that when I rewatch. Did he say he was different before or after he caught the arrow. I thought that was just after the throw.

[mariolegosu]

I think the main reason why GA found out so quickly about Clark is that in episode 2, he was told that someone with abilities existed in Metropolis after he abducted Lex. He maybe even knew before their "battle" that Clark had abilities of some sort. And if he didn't, well he just had to put the pieces together.

[jack1487]

Originally posted by Daspoo
speaking of which, what the 'ell is up with him figuring out in 2 seconds that Clark is "special"? Clark pushes him, and then all of a sudden, "hey, you're that guy that can run super speed and lift full cows"... if it were that simple, even Lana's annoying a_ _ woulda figured it out. And LOIS even, especially after the last episode and Clark blowing the friggin' barn door off...duh!

ugh, the story development in these first episodes of the season is seriously lacking, just like I was afraid of...

This really should be the last season... either that or flog the writers.

If you remenber in Sneeze, Ollie had this guy working for him checking to see if Lex still the powers when he was Zod.

But he seems to know that Clark had put out the fire and when he went to Ollies office he was told to keep looking for more information about this other guy and his powers.



Jack

[Antithesis]

On that didn't the guy that was telling Ollie about the events after the fire say "there was someone else" when talking about the fire?

[CSBen]

He caught the god damned arrow, why how nobody mentioned that?

So he catches an arrow at point blank, and then pushes GA causing him to fly accross the room - which by the way normally KO's most people- then dodges another arrow..

could you imagine what it would look like in real-time if you caught an arrow at point blank like that..

case closed. :eek:

[hedi sweet thighs]

I think they should have let it drag out a little further,but i see that Clark has grown fond of Lois he is starting to protect her. I hope they do not let this drag out til the end of the season;by the way how many episodes are in this season,i am getting so upset with ClaRK being lonely (I know,it's his destiny )but give me a break

[superpal1]

Good point, CSben. Also, Ollie has accepted his abilities and has been using them for some time. He also knows that there are others with powers out in the world. Over the years of finding these people, it probably gets easier to spot someone who might be special. Lois, Lana, ect, aren't looking for these people, so they don't see what is in front of them.

[Elite]

The Green Arrow was no match for Clark.
His only chance would've been to pull out a Kryptonite arrow, but i think that would have been very cliche.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by superpal1
Also, Ollie has accepted his abilities and has been using them for some time. He also knows that there are others with powers out in the world.

Green Arrow doesn't have any abilities. He's just a highly trained human- like Batman.

[caseybrn]

He was a little to matter of fact with the heat vision but knowing Clark has superior strength so quickly did make sense to me...

I mean he knows he's pretty strong for an average man than without any effort he's thrown across a room....that can't happen every day....

[Kal-ed]

Originally posted by binskipy2u
i or GA shooting something far away and clark racing right infront of him, getting it and bringing it back..


So is this the new Clelby theory (Clark becomes shelby).

You made it sound like Clark was freezbe tossing with his owner.

[wraith808]

Originally posted by caseybrn
He was a little to matter of fact with the heat vision but knowing Clark has superior strength so quickly did make sense to me...

He didn't say anything about heat vision- and I don't think he even knows about it. He just asked Clark, "That was you on the roof?" I didn't get the impression that he knew what Clark did...

[Nerial]

I really enjoyed GA and Clark's first interaction when Clark pushed him. The dialogue was fun, and I LOVE it when a character thinks they got everything under control, and Clark steps in, and shows them up.

The spot where GA tells Clark he's taking the neighborhood watch too seriously, tries to stroll past him like it's nothing, and Clark reaches out his hand and stops him...the expression on Welling's face in that spot was priceless. It was like, "Oh, no no no--this isn't going to be as easy as you think, buddy."

Loved it. :)

[bobser]

Originally posted by Daspoo
We can agree to disagree. :) But I wouldn't say that Clark and Ollie have the same build. And yeah, I'd suspect something if a guy (any guy) pushed me across a room with one hand. But it still doesn't support why Ollie would figure it out, but in five past seasons, nobody else pushed got it.

But again, just my $0.02... :)

There was the fact that Clark casually blocked his trained punch and knocked him through a structure.

That in itself shows that Clark may be a little more than meets the eyes.

A few seconds later, you see Clark superspeed out of the way of an arrow. If I'm an expert marksman, with the skill to knock a bullet out of the air with my arrow, I'd be a little surprised to see a farmboy easily sidestep my arrow faster than the blink of an eye. Clark also caught one in mid-air right before that, so Ollie would be dense if he didn't realize Clark had some type of abilities or was a highly skilled ninja :lol:

Also, recurruring characters in these types of stories typically have to remain ignorant of Superman/Batman/Flash/Cyborg/Green Arrow etc. conveniently showing up to save them until needed for plot development. It's just how the stories work.

[Dean_19]

I loved the bit where GA tried to punch Clark and he just stopped his fist effortlessly...its about time Clark kicked some butt with no bloody green K around!

[MrZeppo]

Originally posted by Nerial
I really enjoyed GA and Clark's first interaction when Clark pushed him. The dialogue was fun, and I LOVE it when a character thinks they got everything under control, and Clark steps in, and shows them up.

The spot where GA tells Clark he's taking the neighborhood watch too seriously, tries to stroll past him like it's nothing, and Clark reaches out his hand and stops him...the expression on Welling's face in that spot was priceless. It was like, "Oh, no no no--this isn't going to be as easy as you think, buddy."

Loved it. :)

Nerial, I adore you. That's exactly what I thought when I saw that scene.

I REALLY enjoyed the last scene with the two in the barn. It wasn't exactly a standoff as before. And Ollie's speech to Clark was magnificent and needed to be said. We're really starting to see the push from Clark to Superman this season, which I am excited about.

[cloisinmyheart]

yeah! i agree with nerial and mrzeppo
that last speech ollie gave was really inspiring and marked the start of the justice league and prodded clark to get out there and do something

at first i thought i was gonna hate ollie for stealing lois, but now he seems like a really good friend to clark