Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of "Arrow"

[Pal-El]

Tell us what you think here!

[superhippie2000]

i think its really good so far

i think this might be the best superhero episode so far.

[THE ANGEL Of Forgivens]

Love it

[Kara15]

Loved it! My second favorite episode of the season so far, with Zod in 1st.

[coasterprincess]

I am so happy with it. The Green Arrow story line is going really well. One of the things that really hit me in the end was how he's so different from Clark, but still is seeing him as the leader. This JL thing just might work out nicely this season.
Plus it's nice that we're getting a taste of what really comes later in the story. The difference between the person and the hero (as others see them and such) I'm just thrilled to pieces.

[Shadowlord367]

Zod
Arrow
Wither/Sneeze

I really liked it, the scene at the end was really good.

Plus, Reunion looks really good.

[ChLoEfAn4eVaLUVSnCkLbK]

i thought "arrow" was the best episode so far this season.

[lilkoolmaria]

I loved this episode! It inproved a lot from last week.

[milton fine]

loved it green arrow was awsome ,clark acully acted a little like superman this episode and lois was hot, lionel was mysterious as always, lex was a ass as always lana nieve, chloe cute and surprised at clarks teaming up with green arrow, i liked the stunts and speical effects, and the final scene with clark and olllie were they disagree on forms of justice was cool(would have been cooler with bruce wayne)and what ollie says to clark about people all over the world need their help and when hes ready let him know or somthing, i was like right on!!!

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by coasterprincess
I am so happy with it. The Green Arrow story line is going really well. One of the things that really hit me in the end was how he's so different from Clark, but still is seeing him as the leader. This JL thing just might work out nicely this season.
Plus it's nice that we're getting a taste of what really comes later in the story. The difference between the person and the hero (as others see them and such) I'm just thrilled to pieces.

When you say still seeing him as the leader - I gather you mean Clark being the leader ? - in the cartoons is he the leader of the Justice League ?

[emeraldlabyrinth]

Originally posted by lilkoolmaria
I loved this episode! It inproved a lot from last week.

agreed! Its was a really good epsidoe. Tom/Clark and Justin/Oliver have a good on screen charisman going on. And Oliver and Lois, so perfect for each other.

its was the best so far like someone said above me. i would love to watch it again.

[I am the Superman]

Now wait just a cotton picken minute, Oliver wears his costume to a event where alot of people that went to the costume ball probably are. That said, Wouldnt he think someone would connect the dots and tie oliver( in a robin hood costume) with the robin hood look alike?

Also, chloe passed out just a lil to quick from the gas imo.

Nice so far though....


Ok... Ive come to the conclusion, Lana is no longer Lana, shes been possessed by the witch again, because the Lana of seasons 1-3 would NEVER have done what she did to the man in the elevator.

ALSO, Something that rubbed me the wrong way, Your being abducted, who do you call....your BEST FREIND, OR THE FREEKING POLICE@!. The writers just had her call chloe so clark would hear. Kind of a lame way to save time..

Ok, NOW THAT WAS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, That last meeting between superman and green arrow, thats it. That was awesome, perfect, flawless, unbelievable. They even put the theme music in there. That was the PERFECT ending. I cant say it enough

Just for that, Im giving it a 5/5 best episode of the season SHAZAM@.

[Doomsday04]

This is episode was great. The beginnings of the Justice League. Lex and Lionel actually in the same scene. And continuation from episode 1 with the disc. Great.

[Cookie 28]

Great episode.

[coasterprincess]

Originally posted by ISUZU
When you say still seeing him as the leader - I gather you mean Clark being the leader ? - in the cartoons is he the leader of the Justice League ?

Oh yes yes yes. Sorry if my pronouns aren't clear. Basically I love how the Green Arrow doesn't totally agree with Clark, but still seems to be perfectly willing to follow Clark as a leader in a future time (aka JL)

[chole_fan]

Great episode! Loved it. The scene at the end between Clark and Ollie was the best of the episode IMO and really left me looking forward to the rest of the season. Can't wait to see where this is going.

[trunks3000]

BEST. EPISODE. EVER. how can you even compare with that? of course, maybe im just happy it wasnt as bad as last week's episode...

[SexyLex]

I liked this one, I thought that it was cool! :)

[MarkAllan22]

I thought 'Wither' was a really bad note, overall. Hell, I even completely forgot about Smallville until 15 minutes into the show. By that time, I just waited until afterwards to watch it, and watch 'The Office' live. So, I just got done watching it, and 100 times better this week.

Green Arrow is pretty cool, and Lois is starting to become the Lois of the mythology. Although, almost the entire first 20 minutes was Clark-less, but I guess they needed to sit up the Green Arrow.

I did let out a 'yeah!' and stomping my feet at the end with the conversation between Ollie and Clark.

Looks like the great MB is back too, along with Lex and the black box being the season finale problem. Now, any ideas of what it's going to bring?

[spideyfan]

Phenomenal episode with a super important message.

Pros:
Green Arrow and CK respecting each others dual identities.
CK saving Arrow from Lois revealing him.
Lionel being a truly MB.
Lana FINALLY revealing her self as a true dark Lexish figure.
Lex being the master manipulator.
Lois still taking up reporting but realizing its a serious risk at times.
GA donating to good causes.
Trick arrows.
The end where Arrow tells him to expand his horizons.

Cons:
Not many.

[Thil_EL]

much better than sneeze or wither! Good to see Lana embrace her inner ***** and the lional lex plot to test lana was awesome! i totally didnt see that one coming! the end scene made the episdoe oliver is alot more mature than clark and liked his comments!
cant wait for next week!

[MBCorp]

It was a solid episode and a definite improvement over last weeks. I really enjoyed Lois' scenes and was happy to see that they've done more with her growing interest in journalism. That was really what interested me the most. The dark!Lana scene in the elevator was also kind of cool too, even though it seems to have completely come out of nowhere. And it's always nice to see Lionel. You'd think Clark would have had more scenes though...

[Dark Knight23]

I loved this episode. It was great, I loved the contrast between Clark and Ollie. Ollie is turning out to be alot like Bruce Wayne. Not saying that's a bad thing. Can't wait to see what else happens this season.

[newfan]

Loved it, loved that Lois was in it alot. Loved the Clark, Green Arrow connection and the ending with Green Arrow saying to Clark that there was alot of people out in the world that needed to be saved and they werent going to come to him.

[SteveS]

My vote (8) was due to the ending which I thought was quite good.

[kefka02]

Definitely one of the most enjoyable episodes so far this season.
SO MUCH BETTER than last week, wow, what a difference a week can make, I'll confess I was worried that we would start to get more mediocre episodes like last week.

This episodes worked on a lot of levels and had just the right amount of screen time for each character. Really liked the interacton between the Ollie and Clark, especially at the end. Can't wait for Justice! :) :)

[seraphim]

I also loved this episode....yeah for Green Arrow! I was hoping this week would be better than the last epi and it was. Please, please I hope the writers keep this up. This is what I love....super hero action and I really loved the music everytime they showed GA and of course the ending with both Clark and Oliver!

[gj430]

I thought the episode was great.

[kkjdt]

I really enjoyed this episode

[finchy4]

i was really weary about this episode, the season, and the show's future after what i had been seeing lately...but this episode was pretty good. i actually gave it a 9. i usually like the other superhero type episodes, and this is up behind the flash episode.

pros:

oliver's comment about clark hiding feelings for lois :)

the ending scene with clark and oliver

lois in the black dress

clark not letting chloe find out about the green arrow

CONS:

lana....why is she on this show anymore???


9/10 :)

[buddy232]

Hated it! Smallville is over. It should be called the GREEM ARROW OR LUTORVILLE now!

Clark was barely on the show!

Let Smallville die in peace!

[Spirit Detective]

Great episode. I loved Lionel's ambiguous nature in this episode. Is he good or MB bad?

[sassy_reporter]

LOVED IT. Loved the Lois/Clark/Oliver banter and snarkiness, loved the Green Arrow and Clark interaction, and really liked the point GA brought up to Clark and how he's this total foil to the way Clark deals with himself, his powers, and the world. I also enjoyed the insinuations whether Lionel is bad, and Lana being evil which I think Kristen is great at--interesting that Lex ismaking her bad as opposed to her making him good! But I really enjoyed this episode!!!

[Son of Kal-El20]

This episode took a while to pick up the pace. The second half was definitely the best. And I actually like the Green Arrow. I don't like him with Lois but I do like his character.

Clark was Clark in this episode and I'm glad GA told him that there is a whole world of people in need of his heroism. Lana is now a little more interesting because she's starting to take her first steps into becoming a possible future villian. The scene where she threatened that man really made me look at her in a new light. I saw a very devious female villian. The very female villian that I wish that Lex Luthor in the movies would find. I'm looking forward to seeing where they are going to take her character. Maybe Clark was actually being smart in not telling her his identity.

All in all, I thought 'Arrow' was great and probably the best episode of the season so far. I give it a 10/10.

[Yuui]

Mother Box. It's a Mother Box.

What are Mother Boxes? Sentient computers that can procure power from the Source and can provide abilities and do seemingly anything.

And who is most associated with a Mother Box? Darkseid.

With the Justice League looking to be born, it would be quite the adventurous undertaking for this Smallville staff, in handling an appearance of Darkseid. But yeah, Darkseid would kill everyone, unless they butcher and pussify him like they did with Brainiac.

Okay, so we have Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and, of course, Supes. That's neat and all, but we're going to need a bigger boat. Err, more scalawags. Batman, Diana, and J'onn.

Make it happen, AlMiles.

[bobser]

I would let out tears of joy if they brought Darkseid into the script.

This eppy was about a 9/10 imo. Very, very awesome. I'd give it a 10/10, but I'm always looking forward to more. Good job this week.

[Son of Kal-El20]

Originally posted by Yuui
Mother Box. It's a Mother Box.

What are Mother Boxes? Sentient computers that can procure power from the Source and can provide abilities and do seemingly anything.

And who is most associated with a Mother Box? Darkseid.

With the Justice League looking to be born, it would be quite the adventurous undertaking for this Smallville staff, in handling an appearance of Darkseid. But yeah, Darkseid would kill everyone, unless they butcher and pussify him like they did with Brainiac.

Okay, so we have Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, and, of course, Supes. That's neat and all, but we're going to need a bigger boat. Err, more scalawags. Batman, Diana, and J'onn.

Make it happen, AlMiles.

If they can't get Batman, I bet Clark could always suggest that they recruit that Angel of Darkness girl.

[LordVaderTHX]

I loved the episode. It was especially refreshing how Clark and Oliver got to find out each others secrets so quickly. It's going to be great seeing them working together. Not to mention his costume and bow were amazing.

[RMF]

Hot d*mn. Why can't all the episodes be like this? :lol:

There was a lot of stuff that worked in this episode. I was afraid that they would mess up and allow GA to overshadow Clark, but that didn't happen. GA actually came across almost like a villain for much of the episode -- a villain with a rationale, but which villain doesn't have one? It was actually quite disturbing that he essentially takes Lois along on one of his robberies, and makes Martha, a woman Lois cares a lot about, the target. He can talk about the fact that Lionel bought the necklace off the black market, but it's still creepy. There were also times when his rich-boy arrogance recalled the Lex of early seasons.

I liked the interaction between Oliver and Clark a lot. Oliver is at first nasty, cocky, and dismissive toward Clark, but Clark simply follows the clues that Oliver leaves and uses his sources (Lionel and Chloe) to basically hand GA his own a$$. Had Clark not shown him mercy, that would have been the end of the line for him. He'd be in jail. But it is the very fact that Clark does show him mercy that exerts the force on Oliver's conscience and leads Oliver to return the stolen goods. It's a very similar interaction to those Clark had with Bart and AC. And I loved the first Clark-GA confrontation, where Clark deflects every one of GA's attacks until GA shoots the security guard behind him, and Clark stops to render aid. This is absolutely true to Clark's character. Someone being hurt is exactly what would distract Clark and allow GA to escape. As characters, both Clark and Oliver come out winners, and that's some good writing.

And finally! someone lets us in on what's going on with Lex. Yes, folks, he's doing more than sucking face with Lana. He wants to figure out the device from the alien ship. Nice creepy look from him when Grohl mentions how powerful it probably is. And he's also working overtime to manipulate the people around him. It's great to see him interacting with Lionel again, but their apparent alliance is a bit abrupt at the same time. Obviously they have had some important conversations about the device but they've been offscreen. It seems that Lionel is either playing Lex, or playing both the Kents and Lex against the middle in the hopes of being the one to gain the power. It's an interesting moment at the end of the scene when Lex comments on Lionel fooling the Kents so thoroughly that he's beginning to believe his own hype. Lionel wears a haunted look, but it's not clear whether Lionel fears that Lex's words are accurate, or that he fears Lex may figure out he really does care about the Kents.

And Lois finally gets some decent writing for her character, for the first time in the series. She was actually brave and showed initiative. If they had written her like this from the beginning, far fewer people would be questioning her very identity. It's just a shame that this is dropped on us after two seasons of incredibly cr@ppy writing where they couldn't seem to decide who she was or what her purpose should be. If she had not been on the show before, this would have been a nifty introduction.

The scenes with Chloe left me with mixed feelings, however. That bit with Lois not trusting some small piece of Chloe came out of the blue. There's been no hint of this that I can recall between these two cousins that love each other like sisters. Are they setting up Chloe to do something shady? Chloe's exchanges with Clark were interesting though, because Clark has conflicting loyalties to Chloe and now to a fellow would-be hero with a double identity. He wants to give Oliver a chance to clean up his act, both in general and with Lois, and Chloe would feel obligated to not only write about the GA revelation, but also tell her cousin who she's dating -- how could she not? Clark and Chloe understand each other well enough, however, that he is able to convey to her that he knows without telling her a thing.

Unfortunately, there was a flaw in the episode, and unfortunately again it was Lana. Diabolical blackmailing Lana is yet another arbitrary personality change for her. We can reel off any number of episodes in which she is nowhere near this clever or resourceful. And really in the end, she's just pathetic as a woman who takes so much of her personality from the guy she's with.

[red-K glory]

Overall I thought it was a pretty good episode. It could have been a little bit better though. I especially loved the scene between Lex and Lionel near the end, and of course the scene with Clark and Oliver at the very end of the episode. The scene with Lana and the scientist guy in the elevator was weird, I simply cannot buy the "Dark Lana" thing. I don't know what everyone else thinks but Lana is soooooooooo annoying. But other than that the episode was pretty good. I hope Reunion is good as well.

[Naman is 1#]

IMO, this was the best episode from season 6 so far. I gave it a 9.:)

[joesmallville]

10/10

Lois was all kinds of awesome in this episode. Great to see an episode focused on her.

Clark and Oliver make a good team. The last scene was fantastic.

Dark Lana, while I don't agree with it, I think the way her character has been portrayed it was the best way to go.

[Ra's Al Ghul]

BEST EPISODE THIS SEASON! :D

and that Lana scene in the elevator! my favorite scene with her since umm ever.

[Adric]

I was very happy with tonight's episode. There three points that stuck out in my mind as quite interesting and multi-layered. Some of you have touched on them, but I'll just give my take.

1. When Lois says she doesn't trust one part of Chloe she is talking about the journalist part that she fears will steal her scoop. When Chloe holds out on her by keeping the digital image of the ring, it seems like backstabbing, but knowing Chloe she was just trying to protect Lois. Chloe has experience with the dangers of messing with people's secrets, and she has Clark to help out if anything goes wrong.

2.When Lana threatens the Scientist I was taken aback at first, but then she turns away and you can see that she is suprised and scared by her own actions. Lana reminds me of Mercy Graves from the animated series in this episode. The sympathetic henchman. She's in over her head.

3.I was impressed with the writing in the final scene. GA and CK got through to each other. Clark by insisting that the means do not justify the ends, and GA by pointing out the world out there that needs Clark's help. I wonder if we will see Clark actively fighting crime this season. One step closer to super hero status. Very cool show!

[maryjanewatson]

did anyone else notice that clark had like 5 lines this entire episode? 7, tops. Since when did this show become more about everyone else, and less about clark. I feel like he is a side character now. *sigh*

[vyperman7]

This episode is a prime example of why Smallville is such a FRUSTRATING show to watch. There are times like this when the show can be brilliant, and rejuvinate the love I once had. I used to be one of the biggest fans out there. It is just that the crappy writing and development for Clark have slowly drained my love for this show out of me.

But Arrow was a fantastic episode. With how bad both Sneeze and Wither were, I was worried that Zod would be the only great episode we would see all season. But I truly enjoyed this episode. The last few minutes of the episode involving Oliver stepping up to Clark and saying that there is a whole world of people that need his help, gave me chills. I don't remember the last time an episode of Smallville did that.

The action was very solid in this episode, and I thought the initial battle between Clark and GA was well choreographed.

Really liked seeing that side of Lana. If they could have her be like that more often, her character could actually become interesting. I also really liked the little twist with Lex and Lionel near the end as well. It adds an interesting side to the Lexana relationship with Lex's distrust. I wonder what other tests he has come up with.

A few things I hated though...

1) Lois - How did she go from a girl who hates journalism, to wannabe reporter in such a short time span? There has been absolutely no development or build up to this at all. It literally happened in the flick of a switch. The term lightswitching was made for situations like this.

2) Although I absolutely loved the forshadowing in the final conversation, it doesn't really instill me with confidence in Smallville's version of Clark to become Superman. He shouldn't need Green Arrow or anyone else to point him in the direction of being a hero. That is something he should be able to do on his own, because it is who he is. Clark may have the powers of Superman, but that is it. He doesn't really resemble his so called future persona at all.

Overall though, this truly was a great episode of Smallville. I have said it before, and I will say it again. The winning formula for a great Smallville episode always has - Nice Supes references, nice character development, Lex/Lionel interaction, and a powerful ending. These are the core elements that the show was originally based on. If only every episode could be well written and used to further the plot. I still can't get over how bad Wither was.

[fiorscal]

Amazing, loved kick as* Lois!

[BlaqMagiq]

I wasn't annoyed with Lana for once. The writters achieved a miracle. Most of the time, I want to slap her around a few times. That would make an awesome episode. Everyone taking out some baby powder and just slapping her around.

In any case - do we really want to see Clark hump Chloe's magic computer for fourty-five minutes? I know I don't. But I have noticed the writters are making him figure out things more on his own.

But to everyone who says that ol' CK isn't just a whiney emo little prick - duh? He's an alien from a long destroyed planet and technically the last of his kind. Think of how isolated that would make you feel. It would be similar to being a black guy in an all white school in the middle of Europe.

But kudos on the Ep. Here's hoping GA gets his own show after Smallville has run its course.

[superman2001]

i thought the Episode was Fantastic , it is one of my Favorite Smallville Episodes Ever, it was really great to see Clark meeting the Green Arrow for the first time, i really did like the scene where Clark and Green Arrow are fighting and Green Arrow throws the Arrow at Clark and he catches it and Green Arrow look suprised, and i was great to see Clark not telling anybody who Green Arrow really was, and it was great to see Green Arrow talking to Clark about using his Powers to help People, can,t wait to next weeks Episode it,s going to be great, it,s going to be a great Season.

[Jigga]

Wow, great episode! This is a prime example of how good Smallville can be. They really developed both superheroes, which should be the point of most episodes. The dialogue of right and wrong was pretty awesome. Although it felt like Clark should have been having that discussion with Bruce instead of Oliver, but hey I'll get what I can.

Did they have to dwindle down parts? Of course, they did. They needed to do that since last season. Looks like there's hope still for Smallville.

[CallMeClark]

This episode was so amazing. I felt like I was watching a movie rather than a TV show. I think a Green Arrow spin-off could arise!

[Crazy4Smallville]

The Green Arrow arrived with a zing, much like the way his arrows zip through the air.
Lex Luthor rose from the darkened ashes, and it's about time.
Lionel Luthor showed his true colors, and the black is coming out.
Lana Lang revealed she can manipulate as well as being manipulated, which surprised me.
Lois Lane realized her zest for truth, justice and the journalistic pen.
Chloe shone like a beacon on a lighthouse.
Clark realized there's a whole world that needs to be saved, not just Lana Lang.

Issues of secret identities, being journalists, duality, secret affections, truth, justice, etc... all these things were mentioned in subtle ways, which in my opinion, made it great. Though Clark didn't have to do a lot of daring rescues, he showed strength in character. I thought it was done brilliantly. He learned about honor and the possibility of his role as an actual hero, and his possible leadership. His powers aren't what make him great - it's his integrity combined with those powers that make him great.

I loved this episode and I hope there are more like it. It wasn't filled with a bunch of sensationalizm, targeted at the raging hormones of teenagers, but about the heart of a hero. That's what the show should be about.

Till next time,
Crazy4Smallville

[smallvilleobsessor17]

I thought that this episode was as low as Smallville could possibly get. I previously believed (last week) that no episode could be worse than "Wither." Boy I was wrong. This WAS JUST PATHETIC!!!! It was so corny, badly written, badly acted, and boring that I just couldn't take it. I might not even watch Sv next week.

[SOTK]

"Arrow" was a fantastic episode! I thoroughly enjoyed it- the whole thing! I enjoyed the awkward moment between Clark and Lois when Oliver made his comment about Clark hiding his attraction from Lois. I liked Arrow's costume and his "gadgets". I understood his view of justice and thought it fit him well. I agree with others that the chemistry between Clark and Arrow was great, and I am looking forward to more. I liked seeing the scheming going on with Lex and Lionel. This should make for an interesting season! I am really looking forward to this Season. Season 5 really let me down but I am hopeful for this Season!

I know this has been stated to death probably, but I don't get the Dark Lana thing. What's up with that? It was very surreal watching that whole scene with her in the elevator. It just didn't feel real to me. In my opinion, she has not displayed that type of behavior in the history of SV. Sure, I have grown to not like her character and feel she is immature, but I have never seen that type of maliciousness out of her therefore I felt it was unrealistic. I just don't understand why they won't get rid of this character.

All in all, this was a thoroughly enjoyable episode for me!

[THE ANGEL Of Forgivens]

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[superpal1]

This episode was great. Wish there was a little more Clark using his powers, either to save Lois with Ollie, or in stopping Ollie at the museum, but that is just me wanting more.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I liked it, the fact that Clark understands that it is not the end that justifies the means but, the means that lend credibility to the end, made me view him much better than I have as of late.

[Lexuous Luthor]

This was an amazing episode. Justin Hartley portrays Green Arrow very well. Screw the Aquaman tv series, anyone for a Green Arrow series?

Plus, I loved how Clark used his heat vision in this episode. Anyone else?

[Lightning Flash]

I thought this epi was one of the best of season 6 so far... great introduction of Green Arrow. Clark seemed investigative, and more Supes like. Lois also seemed more canon. A lot of good pros about this episode... but one bad thing is that Lana has changed so much now, she is actually evil, like Lex.

[jimmyolsenblues]

I liked the costume.
I liked the episode.
I liked the interexchanges between Ollie and Lois.
I loved that it was a family friendly episode.
I really don't want to see naked backs.
I love seeing R rated movies, but I want to watch smallville with my kids.
This episode was not date central specific.
It was about mythology of the Justice league, and I loved Ollie's speech to clark.
Don't like the lana/lex screen time.

[shadow4486]

Originally posted by vyperman7

Although I absolutely loved the forshadowing in the final conversation, it doesn't really instill me with confidence in Smallville's version of Clark to become Superman. He shouldn't need Green Arrow or anyone else to point him in the direction of being a hero. That is something he should be able to do on his own, because it is who he is. Clark may have the powers of Superman, but that is it. He doesn't really resemble his so called future persona at all.


Let me start by saying this....I love comics and I love Smallville. The latter a bit more than the former. If you want to embrace all this show has to offer you should read comics or at least go to Wikipedia and read up on these characters. It really helps understand the underlying story.

This being said...how can you look at Clark and not see Superman. He already is a hero, no matter what GA says. You can't dispute that point.

But if you strip away the powers, he is still a farm boy from Kansas/Midwest. Most kids/young adults don't have the vision to look past their own backyards. Oliver Queen has been around the world once or twice so he has seen how bad things are out there. Aside from some localized disasters, what has Clark experienced. You can't pull him away from Smallville/Metropolis because of the people he loves. ANY human being would do the same. I work with students everyday who have no idea about that is out side the city limits. And I live in a little more advanced place than Smallville, Kansas. Have you been to Kansas and talked to a Farmer? It is quite easy for them to stay in their own little world and not really care for what's happening outside.

So no, right now, he is not Superman that we know and love from the movies, tv shows, cartoons, and comics. But he could be. He's got the tools. Now he just needs the experience.

Other than that, I loved this episode and I knew I would from the trailers.

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[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I hope the "reluctant hero" Clark dies a quick death and that "super" Clark emerges sooner rather than later.

Didn't like how GA told Clark, like some many others before him, to basically get off his arse and save some people !

I didn't like it in the sense that it had to be said, I did like that he said it.

I just keep waiting for the time when we hear Clark say, " Enough ! the world needs me and I won't let her down".

[loistickyfingerz]

Originally posted by vyperman7
A few things I hated though...

1) Lois - How did she go from a girl who hates journalism, to wannabe reporter in such a short time span? There has been absolutely no development or build up to this at all. It literally happened in the flick of a switch. The term lightswitching was made for situations like this.

I completely agree with this sentiment. What are they thinking? Yes, it's great that they are finally allowing Lois to deal with journalism, but come on. They need to stick in a scene where someone, maybe Clark, corners Lois on this whole "light switch" issue. At this point, they can't go back and correct it, because that would be the best thing to do, but they can deal with it in context.

Just let Clark or someone have a truly in depth moment with Lois about why the sudden interest, and let her have a deep, character revealing, heartfelt moment to talk and really explore it. I think at this point that's the only thing that could help. It's bothering me too, but as I said, they can't go back and change it at this point.

Otherwise I really liked this episode. I surprised myself. I really have always hated this particular writing team, Soulders and Peterson I think. (I thought Prodigal was the worst episode of SV ever, until Mercy last season.) But perhaps they are improving.

The writing is keeping up with their improved continuity, but they need to try and keep up with the great writing of the first half of Season five if they want to improve the ratings at all.

[Hidden Krypton]

"Arrow had good visual effects and it was nice to have the Justice League allusion, too. The Green Arrow's costume was pretty cool and as far as someone being able to recognise him from the costume party, I suppose the same fog that falls on people's eyes for the Green Arrow will be on people's eyes when Clark becomes Supperman and no one recognises him. Suspend your disbelief and enjoy the ride!

[Fly by guy]

My favorite part of the episode was when Lois got in the halloween spirit and went dunking for apples, sans apples and with too much help. What a cheat.

Really didn't care for this episode.

[SmallvilleFan2001]

The episode was the best this season has offered so far. Even with the overall focus on the Green Arrow, it used that story as a backdrop for Clark working on a problem on his own and Lex becoming more evil. The episode only used Lana to reignite issues between Lex and Lionel and Chloe barely had anything to do with anything.

[TheOriginalKal-el]

Originally posted by maryjanewatson
did anyone else notice that clark had like 5 lines this entire episode? 7, tops. Since when did this show become more about everyone else, and less about clark. I feel like he is a side character now. *sigh*

Exactly. To me the only part worth noting was the end conversation between the two with honorable mention to the "respecting each others identites" bit. Other than that, I have to say I was bored. Special effects are nice and everything, but much like MR's Lex now, I couldn't get into it.

[bobser]

Even with only a few lines, this episode brought HUGE potential for Clark beginning to realize himself. We also saw Clark reveal that he never feels the ends justify the means. The way he said it I think viewers were to know that just by his nature, he's almost unable to see the logic in such thougts. (Notice how he gave Chloe an ackward eye when she said she felt Green Arrow was good because he gave to charity, though he stole to do so).

This episode moved Clark and set up later episodes moreso than other entire arcs of times past. This is what the show needs more of...more plot development, less moping about and discussing secrets/lies, good musical track, decent special effects, and setting up more story to look forward too.

[Tomsgurl88]

Excellent episode, clark was looking soooo much like superman this episode!!!!

[Krypton935]

Fabulous episode! I loved it! very good. 9

[fresh prince]

10 for me

This episode was the best of the season even better then zod I loved everything about this episode and this was one of the only episodes since season 4 ive liked lana I thought it was cool how she blackmailed the guy and even cooler how lex tested her with his father. Also I liked how the green arrow character was played out and that they know each others secrets should make for a very good storyline and I hope they become friends and clark dosnt get jealous over him dating lois.

[PKII]

Best Episode so far. Better than the Zod/Clark "fight" :lol: :)

[diva]

Gave this one a 9. Only thing I would have really wished for was more Clark, but I'm willing to excuse it for this episode.

Right from the teaser, I was hooked. I especially loved:

- the fact that GA had a different, lower voice than OQ

- the showdown between Clark and GA

- the interrogation scene between Lois and the kidnappers (nice job by ED this episode)

- the last scene between Clark and Oliver

- Clark somehow deleting Chloe's files to protect GA's secret identity


A couple of bothersome things:

- I think they went a little too overboard with the GA voice thing. It sounded like one of those voice modifying things you see people in television using over the phone to try and remain anonymous. But this is a small nitpick and I'm over it.

- I like that Lois was dedicated to getting the story, but at the same time I don't know if I'll be able to take the whole journalism thing completely seriously with her from now on. Throughout the episode, I had the journalism lightswitch from Sneeze in the back of my mind, and it made the whole 'Lois dedicated reporter' seem out of character to me.

- I did think it was a little extreme for Lois to put GA on the same level as Charles Manson. Even if she didn't think he was a good guy, what he was doing wasn't even in the same league as being a serial killer.


I'm intrigued to see where this whole Chloe/DP thing is going in regards to Lois/MI. I got the vibe from one of the Chlark scenes that the green eyed monster in Chloe might rear its head again sometime down the line if Lois does actually make a name for herself. Especially considering that Lois has free reign (for lack of a better way of saying it) to try and uncover GA's real identity, and probably get some exclusives on him too, while Chloe might feel obligated to quelle any journalism instincts she has to get the scoop here because of the promise she made to Clark.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Best ever in my opinion. Watching the two super heros talking about what each thinks of what is right and wrong was very interesting.

I've been watching season 4 again and what a waste of time that was except for a few spots here and there and the last episode.

I have a question.

Not up to speed on all comic super heros but has there been a green arrow or did they make this one up?

Kind of like a mix of the green lantren and robinhood?

[aumdrew]

Top notch! Love the "Voice" effect of the Green Arrow, the music was a bit Batmanesque but other than that, two thumbs way up!

[RedPhoenix23]

Well... At the grandparents work again. *sigh* No rest for me. *cries*

Obvisouly, my favorite parts were the Lexana parts! The GA storyline? Well, that was cheesy beyond cheesy. From the Teenage Mutant Turtles costume to the silly black man voice change. I kept expecting him to be all "Clark... I am your father..." So GA can stop a BULLET with an ARROW? Huh? This makes sense in what universe? I am surprised AlMiles didn't say that was too comic booky. Speaking of too comic booky, the whole "kidnap the reporter to get to the GA" thing is definately too comic booky. Firstly, if a reporter knew who the GA was, they'd tell the world you stupid kidnappers! Secondly the SafeTec guy KNEW that she was a close freind of Olliver Queen, so her death would not go unnoticed by a very powerful man with poweful resources at his disposal. So not only would kidnapping her would be out of the question, but killing her as well. Realisticly the most he would or even could do, would be to have her followed and tap her phones. Basically, some things that work in a comic book or cartoon are just too unrealistic in a live action tv show.

Oh jeesh.. CLARK! Maybe I'll have to rewatch but it seemed like GA was willing to let Lois find out who he was until Clark gave him an excuse to run off and then Clark's all "You can't ever tell her who you are in order to protect her. AND you have to break up with her to protect her"! My inner feminist just gets all kind of ticked off. Screw you, Clark. We females aren't so weak and helpless that we couldn't handle it if their boyfreind was a superhero. LOL, did I just say that? Anyways.. Chloe handles it just fine doesn't she? Lois WILL handle it just fine in the future. Lastly Lana would have handled it just fine as well and Clark knows that. Doesn't he remember her response in Reckoning? Or the way she feircely protected a superpowered Lex in Vessel? I only watched the whole episode once though, so LOL, I could have read into that whole situation totally wrong, but knowing Clark the way I do, I don't think I did.

The Lexana... Sweet, sweet Lexana. I am disapointed that we didn't get a mourning after scene. But the post work out scene was good. At beginning of the Dr. Groll/Black Box part, I was proud of Lexy for sticking up for his lady to Dr. Groll and telling him to tell them BOTH about the box. By the end it was pretty obvious Lex was begining his little test though. Just listen to how he says "I found it" when Lana asks where the alien tech came from. It so sounded planned and too over joyous, especially since we know that he found it in that library/office - that same library/office that had Lana's blood all over the floor/wall and on the firepoker... put 2 and 2 together with Lana's hurt hand... Oh yeah, she was busted. Especially when she says that the alien tech could be used as a weapon if it fell into the wrong hands. Aww, poor Lexy's face just drops because he could be thinking that she thinks that he would do such a thing.

Lionel and Lana was fun to watch as well. I definately want to go on record saying we need more Lionel/Lana scenes! I wonder how much of Lionel's concern about Lana willing to kill Lex was Lionel's and how much of it was actually Lex's? I think Lex does love a strong take charge "I'm not a victim" Lana, but a Lana that is willing to murder him might have given him a cause for concern. So it was very important that she made it clear that Zod and Lex were not one and the same in her eyes. I loved it when Lana said that she moved into the mansion to keep an eye on Lex since she understands that part of protecting Lex is protecting Lex from Lex.

Aww. Lex has found his equal. Now be a good little MB and go tell that to Clark. I think that's very true especially since if Lana had the resources that Lex had, she would been in the same place Lex was with the vaccine last season. If you know, brainiac was willing to shove Zod into a females body... But you know what I mean right? Just look at the last Lexana scene when Lana is the one that insists that Lex continues to work on the black box to "protect us from them next time". Lana would have totally snatched the ship, lost the ship, and then been suckered into building the vaccine to protect Earth from alien invaders just like Lex was. Lana is truely Lex's equal.

Go Lana! I knew you had it in you! Lana looked spooky in that elevator scene, didn't she? It totally looked like she was channeling Lex. I liked how she take a breath to psych herself into it and then was breathing a little sigh of relief when it was over. Without those, it would have been too out of character for her, she's got to grow into it before she can just totally own it like Luthor's do. Although, I think maybe a part of her liked making that scientist feel like something nasty she stepped in. But the hesitant beats were definately needed for her first time. Oh... she lost her blackmail virginity to Dr. Groll! :hahaha: I wonder if Lex was watching the entire time on tape or Groll tattled on her? I hope Lex was watching, it makes it so much more kinky.

The last Lexana scene... Aww, Lex wasn't mad, he was happy that she willing to protect him like that cause nobody else ever has. It reminds me of what Lex said to Clark at the end of Accelerate(?), when Lex basically busts Clark for borrowing one of his Porches to help his "freind" (Pete) even though what he did was totally unlawful. Gosh... I can't think of the exact quote and I am not at home so I can't double check the DVD's... but Lex says something like that's how you can test of a true freindship when you are willing to do something bad to protect the other person. Well, freindship/relationship same difference. :icon_nana

It was probably another part in his test when Lana fessed up that she knew about the box being a weapon, because she didn't have to and Lex didn't ask how she knew/or why she thought that. But like I said already, she was totally busted already since he found the alien tech in the same room with her blood - so he KNEW that she KNEW something about it and was keeping it from him. Why else hadn't she told him about Zod's little weapon that was last seen by her in Lex's study? Aww.. that forces Lex to now test her on what she thinks of him.. Does she really think that Lex would twist the alien tech into something bad ON PURPOSE? No! Of course not! Good girl, another test passed. Then Lex tests her on what she thinks they should with the tech. Does she think it's too dangerous and Lex should forget about it and turn it to the government? Nope! It's the only thing that might protect them next time! *breathe a sigh of relief* All passed. Lana is trustworthy! Woohoo!

It's interesting though, with the other little "tests" passed, I wonder what Lex would have done if she told him to stop researching the black box. I don't think for a new york minute that he would or anything. But would that have been a relationship deal breaker and he'd have thrown her out? Or would he said that he would stop but really keep researching it anyways, but took extra strides to make sure that she wouldn't find out? I think that's the more likely, especially since that's what he would have done to Clark.

Ahhh... my brain is fried... No more thoughts for now...

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

I don't see how Lex has found his equal.

Lana? really ? LANA ??

I mean, this is Lex Luthor right ?
Future crimal genius, President, most dangerous man on the planet, foil to Superman, right ?

[j_walk]

AWESOME EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!! ive loved the green arrow for awhile now......(little brother got me in on justice league). hes got such an awesome attitude, and is someone u could definetly relate too....i loved the ending, and justin hartley is terriffic, cant wait for more!

[margroks]

Didn't care for it much. Right off the bat, not enough Clark. Clark was barely in this ep and I tune in to see him most of all. There was far too much emphasis on a guest star, way too much money spent on special effects for said guest star which does rub me the wrong way when I'd rather they spend it on Clark trying to perfect his flying skills. And there was just too much Lois. She's annoying and I keep a book close at hand so I have something to do when she's on screen.

THere were some great moments as when Clark stood up GA. There were some great moments of revelation as when Lois showed up wanting Chloe to do her research for her then suddenly wanted to withhold what she knew even though she expected Chloe to ane up. SPeaks to the awful character of Lois and her complete lack of work ethic or ethics and honesty in general considering we saw her once again make up a story just to get published. She's the worst kind of...well...reporter isn't really what you'd call her anyway, really. She obviously can't hold a candle to her cousin.

But as for Clark deleting her files instead of asking her to delete them, it was inconscienable and I'd have smacked him with a Kryptonite eraser. Chloe deserved better than that after all she's done for Clark. I think CHloe understood why he couldn't reveal another's secret but he had no right to erase her files that way. Besides, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who GA is anyway.

As for Lana? She's no different no than she's ever been but is just not hiding her nastiness behind a sweet exterior. No surprise there at all.

I'd say it was the worst so far despite having another suprehero on deck. But Clark doesn't need other guys telling him what he needs to do; he knows it but has to figure out how. Clark has always saved people friend or stranger but he needs to be more proactive in getting out there and figuring out that he needs a secret identity.

[Kryptonian-Ronin]

No offence, but in an episoded called "Green Arrow", the chances that it would be focused on the Green Arrow were prety high.

[neildingley]

Loved this episode, would possible rate it the best so far this season, Love the fact that Lois is dating a guy who also happens to be a man she consider "A real threat to Metropolis", though considering he track record with both friends she should have probably figured out who he was by now.

[CallMeClark]

Even though I did love this episode, what a few people are saying is correct. It seems SV is getting over-powered by the newbies. :(

[ISUZU]

Anyone who thinks this episode of Smallville sucked must have their own personal agenda regarding the show.

This was one of the best episodes - it had all the main characters and was action packed all the way through. Loved the way they paced the episode in a kinda slow, fast, slow, fast way.

Justin was very good as both the Arrow and Oliver - and Clark played his part. The old Batman music that many people on here recognised was a nice touch.

Lois - was very good in this episode, as was Lana. Also the obsession with Chloe not getting x amount of time has to stop on this site. Although she makes the show more dynamic - she is not the show itself and people need to understand that.

Lana - what I learnt about her is that she is still really screwed up in the head. I have figured her out though - she is in that relationship with Lex to ultimately find out about Clarks secret.

Lionel - its easy to understand - he wants to get close to Lex to see what he is upto and being his only son - what he really wants to do is save Lex him from himself.

I loved this episode 9/10.

ISUZU

[axisoftime]

Great ep-in my top 5 list

[Timester]

The episode that I have been waiting for years. Finally they said that Clark is a reactive, not a pro-active, guy. Finally we saw why Clark choose to be a hero, not a vigilante. I just hope that this episode was finally the moving step.

Also, Green Arrow is the Smallville's Batman. I was right.

[Pantalaimon]

You know. The show IS called Smallville, not Clark Kent. But I think there will be plenty of Clark in times to come.

Loved the ep. by the way.

[whitegold]

For a long time now I've been struggling to watch Smallville. I've found the writing so poor. But this episode was actually quality for a change.

I really liked the 'twist' at the end when we find that Lex was actually testing Lana. Good writing and an insight into Lex being a master manipulator.

The scene between Lionel and Lex at the end was also a masterpiece of writing and acting. I don't know how it struck everyone else, but Lex appears the Master now, and more evil than Lionel and the one in control. Lionel has been diluted somewhat (no doubt a residue of the good Lionel); they have swapped places from the early seasons.

The only negative I have is Chloe's character. She was more interesting in earlier seasons, and now appears a very 2 dimensional character, acting as a very limited foil for Clark.

[chlarkfan333]

This was a real snooze-fest for me. Lana was the best part and that's a real shocker!

[SuperFan85]

I felt this was an excellent episode. Very much like something straight out of a comic book. I loved the very batman-esque music played during Green Arrow's scenes. Seemed very appropriate. I think though, out of the whole episode, my favorite shot had to be the shot of the Green Arrow swining down onto the rooftop. That Wide Shot, where we see him swing down in front of the full moon and Daily Planet. It was like a classic comic book frame. Yet another episode, where there was no Lana/Clark interaction or Lex/Clark interaction, which I think is what is making this Season feel different. I'm still not able to figure out Lionel. He seemed gernally very good in this episode, with little moments his character added by saying things mid-sentence to Lana "Please sit down", or to Clark, "Walk me to my car, will you?" What was Lionel up to at that construction site where Clark came to visit him? Were they in Suicide Slums? Is Lionel funding construction there to help clean up the slums? Also it seems like Lois will now take the place of Lana this Season as the "Damsale in Distress", which is cool. lol I swear, every JLA member so far Clark has encountered just feels they can make their self at home in Clarks loft whenever he comes home and finds someone there.

[networkwiz]

I think this was one of the best Smallville episodes to date. I like the Arrow. It is fun seeing Clark realizing that not everything is black and white.

Also, I loved the little talk Lionel and Lex had. Puts that doubt in the 'What's Lionel's plan?' debate. Is Lionel playing Martha, or not? What sort of lasting effect did Jor-el's connection to Lionel cause to his psyche?

[CK&CK]

THE GREEN ARROW EPISODE WAS AWESOME!!!!!!! OBVIOUSLY HE'S NOT THE DARK KNIGHT......but it was still PRETTY DAMN GOOD!

Originally posted by ISUZU
When you say still seeing him as the leader - I gather you mean Clark being the leader ? - in the cartoons is he the leader of the Justice League ?

Superman (as he comes accross on the newest and best version of the JLU...that's the animated Justice League & Justice League Unlimted series ) is the Public Leader/Speaker for the Justice League....but the true & real "indirect" leader of the pack is Batman. Actually, they all have their moments of making leadership decisions depending on the circumstances. And both Supes & Bats do listen and respect the input of their fellow leaguers......and they all do work as a team .....but the decisions that come from Supes & The Bat are the ones that tend to carry the most weight.

At least this is my take on this. But based on the comics, I can't say.....I haven't read any JLU comics in ages. But from what I remember, nothing I read there was as consistently awesome as the JLU animated series.

Oh, and I CANT WAIT FOR MY SEASON 1 JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED DVD TO ARRIVE!!!!!......SWEET! : )


P.S. Loved the Green Arrow on Smallville.....but on the Justice League Unlimited series?......he's kind of a jerk at times.

Originally posted by Kryptonian-Ronin
I don't see how Lex has found his equal.

Lana? really ? LANA ??

I mean, this is Lex Luthor right ?
Future crimal genius, President, most dangerous man on the planet, foil to Superman, right ?

Yeah, and tell me, did that line of Lana's about "I always suspected you couldn't handle me" bug you as much as it did me.

[networkwiz]

Since the Aquaman spin off did not get past pilot, I am wondering about spinoffs. Some have commented that the episode was not enough Clark, but it would not have worked any other way. This was about the Arrow, to develop who he is and why he does the things he does. Plus since the plan is to only have one or two more seasons of Smallville, the idea of spin off series has to be played out.

I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember the Green Lantern/Green Arrow series from years ago. Arrow was interested in helping the little men, and was critical of the more powerful super hero's focus on the big evils, while ignoring injustice at home. This was during the social unrest/awakening of the 60's. The famous fram from that series is a poor black man looking up at Lantern and asking him something like, "What about the evil done to me?" Arrow became Lantern's companion helping him reconnect with the social issues of the day, instead of always focusing on big issues. It was some of the best story lines that DC ever did with Hal Jordan and Ollie Queen.

Last comment is about Lana. Her comments to Lex about needing to discover the weapons potential shows that she is not over her encounters with Nam-Ek and Zod. Lana is becoming militant about future alien encounters which could be one of the more interesting things they have ever done with her character. Think of Lana not holding Lex back, but getting caught up in his plans and actively supporting him. There may be some hardness to her that we have never seen before. Could be a lot of fun to see that 'seduction' of Lana to the dark side occur.

[No-El26]

Originally posted by CK&CK
Yeah, and tell me, did that line of Lana's about "I always suspected you couldn't handle me" bug you as much as it did me.

Yes I will agree with you there. I mean what was she on? Seriously Lana has turned into some serious over-ego *****!! and its not good for her image at all. In fact what is her image?

Anyway as for the episdoe itself, I thought it was very good. I wasnt so sure about Oli doing that deep husky voice tho as Green Arrow. Bit too much if u ask me. But at least now him and Clark now know each others secret...and thus begins the coming together of the Justice League.

Lois, looking hot as usual, sure knows how to get herself into trouble, but clearly we can see she wont stop to unmask the Green Arrow. Did any of you find it funny how she called him the Green Arrow Bandit? BANDIT?!?! I mean really...those Smallville producers (or scriptwriters even) really are trying their best...

Overall, I think it could have been better...I am not a big fan of the Green Arrows hood tho...(yes we know the whole concept of Robin Hood and that), but did anyone else notice how they kept on using the Batman theme tune when it was all eyes on Green Arrow? I guess its cos of the whole 'billionaire kid whose parents died when he was very young' thingy...but still, you can't go taking the Dark Knights tune for someone else...no matter the similarities...right? Well thats my theory anyway. Anyway back to the hood he was wearing...I guess I can see why tho, to hide his very obvious blond hair, but lets hope he gets his hat very soon, I prefer that...

[KryptoKnight]

I cannot even begin to imagine any real Smallville fan didn't enjoy this episode.
Everything I ever wanted was there.
- The best guest character
- Clark looking like a real super hero
- Lois getting to look more like the Lois in Superman movies
- A definite non-filler episode - something with more meat to the story.
- aside from apparent rip-offs from Batman Begins this episode had an "original" feel to it.

[No-El26]

Originally posted by SuperFan85
lol I swear, every JLA member so far Clark has encountered just feels they can make their self at home in Clarks loft whenever he comes home and finds someone there.

You couldnt be more right here...but if u think about it, in a way his barn is his Fortress of Solitude (as qouted by Martha Kent once), and it can also be regarded as a watchtower (back in the days of when Clark "spied" on Lana..lol) So I guess u can see why they all turn up un-announced...I know I would...hehe..

[TheOriginalKal-el]

Originally posted by KryptoKnight
I cannot even begin to imagine any real Smallville fan didn't enjoy this episode.
Everything I ever wanted was there.
- The best guest character
- Clark looking like a real super hero
- Lois getting to look more like the Lois in Superman movies
- A definite non-filler episode - something with more meat to the story.
- aside from apparent rip-offs from Batman Begins this episode had an "original" feel to it.

Any "real" Smallville fan? I've been watching the show since inception and I didn't enjoy this episode. Why? Because the guest character thing has been beaten to death. The switch in Lois has been way too quick. Just last season she was selling muffins. Did Clark look more like a super hero? Sure, in the 10 minutes he was in the episode.

I'm curious what you're definition of "real" is.

[clanalove14]

justin hartley is hot!!!!!

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by TheOriginalKal-el
Any "real" Smallville fan? I've been watching the show since inception and I didn't enjoy this episode. Why? Because the guest character thing has been beaten to death. The switch in Lois has been way too quick. Just last season she was selling muffins. Did Clark look more like a super hero? Sure, in the 10 minutes he was in the episode.

I'm curious what you're definition of "real" is.


In the first place there is no intention to offend anyone. I am speaking from my own perspective. But that said, every series has guest characters. Smallville has this one that is right out of DC and makes him look real and serious. The series is not going to last more than another couple seasons, so for this character to be introduced it appears the writers have found another direction to take to continue to develop the series and gives me hope that the writers will continue being serious about writing good episodes.

While I can nit-pick as good as the next person, and I do more than my share, tihs episode moved things ahead a few notches by taking the oven mitts from Lois and put her in front of a keyboard and forced her to type, finding out she liked it.
About Clark, even if he was in it only 10 minutes, so what? He made choices that showed he has less doubt in himself and his decisions. In distracting Lois, to allow GA to escape, he showed he had decided he wanted to protect Lois from knowing about someone she seemed to like. That kind of thoughtfulness is typical in most superheros I have watched.

Like I said...no offense

[RedTornado1974]

Overall, I thought this episode was awesome. And for everyone commenting on the similarities between Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne, well.... as the comic book readers know, Oliver Queen does eventually lose his fortune, unlike Bruce. Which adds to his renegade status. I have a feeling the Smallville writers will explore this direction with Oliver, (no, this isn't anything I have heard rumors about, it's just something I can't imagine them NOT exploring). But really...I do hope they upgrade Justin Hartley to a regular castmember status.

[Liriel]

I'm enjoying Green Arrow, and I thought this was the best episode of the season. But I don't want to see JH as a regular. It's Superman's show. I'm fine with guest heroes (I love them, in fact), but ultimately it's Clark's (and Lex's) story, and there isn't enough of a place for GA.

I'd love a spinoff series, though.

[networkwiz]

Originally posted by RedTornado1974
Overall, I thought this episode was awesome. And for everyone commenting on the similarities between Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne, well.... as the comic book readers know, Oliver Queen does eventually lose his fortune, unlike Bruce. Which adds to his renegade status. I have a feeling the Smallville writers will explore this direction with Oliver, (no, this isn't anything I have heard rumors about, it's just something I can't imagine them NOT exploring). But really...I do hope they upgrade Justin Hartley to a regular castmember status.

I'd be surprised if they do that. Since they can't use the Batman character at present because the movie franchise has exclusive rights, the forming of the Justice League will need someone to fund it.

[STFanatic]

I thought it was really good.
Just shy of great.
I almost noticed the light switch effect on Clark during the Ollie-Clark conversation, I hope this goes somewhere and don't go back to where we were in the last episode.
I thought the "Don't ask" between Chloe & Clark was excellent.
"Dark Lana" was OK, I hope this is going somewhere.
MB was awesome again as usual.
The special effects were fairly good, I liked the heat vision short bursts on the rooftop, it felt like Clark was actually in control of the power.
Overall I gave it an "8" (I would have to be totally blown away for a "10" rating. A "10" would be a "His chopper went down with no survivors" announcement on M*A*S*H*.

[TheOriginalKal-el]

Originally posted by KryptoKnight
In the first place there is no intention to offend anyone. I am speaking from my own perspective. But that said, every series has guest characters. Smallville has this one that is right out of DC and makes him look real and serious. The series is not going to last more than another couple seasons, so for this character to be introduced it appears the writers have found another direction to take to continue to develop the series and gives me hope that the writers will continue being serious about writing good episodes.

While I can nit-pick as good as the next person, and I do more than my share, tihs episode moved things ahead a few notches by taking the oven mitts from Lois and put her in front of a keyboard and forced her to type, finding out she liked it.
About Clark, even if he was in it only 10 minutes, so what? He made choices that showed he has less doubt in himself and his decisions. In distracting Lois, to allow GA to escape, he showed he had decided he wanted to protect Lois from knowing about someone she seemed to like. That kind of thoughtfulness is typical in most superheros I have watched.

Like I said...no offense

No worries on the offense front and while I agree with your statements about Clark actually making choices my argument stems from the fact this show is called Smallville. It's not called The Adventures of Green Arrow nor is it called The Young JLA. If they were to rename this show Metropolis or something at this point it would make a heck of a lot more sense. But the fact remains is that this story is supposed to be about Superman (I'm generalizing here - I get the whole journey to becoming him, etc). I began watching this show because of the promise of watching how Superman came to be. Instead we're watching the rise of Lex Luthor and why Oliver Queen is the Green Arrow. While I don't discount that in the Smallville spin they both have some sort of effect on making Clark into Superman. I question the duration and devotion given to characters that are outside their relation to that journey. Lest we forget the moniker of last season "everything you want to see will happen". Ever a misleading statement if there was one.

It is in my opinon that the writers stumbled across something the viewers liked in Run and have been essentially been beating it to death ever since. Much like time warp, memory wipe and others. I'm even willing to give one episode a season, but SEVEN? That's a little much.

I don' t discount the possibilty of one finding something and enjoying it (Lois with writing); it just seems incredibly rushed. Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't she for the better part of the time she's been in Smallville criticizing her cousin's choice of careers? Then all of a sudden she's happier than a pig in slop doing it?

To me this season should have wound to a close after season 4(I would have done 4 completely differently to meet this end - the way they did it left that as impossible). It would have had a suitable stopping point (the end of high school) and had the characters facing an uncertain future. Would we have "seen everything we wanted to see"? No, but it would've given a sense of closure and calling of destiny mixed with uncertainty. Rather than dropping anvils on us since that point.

But this is my opinion. And like I said no worries about being offensive. I do consider my a real/true fan of the series however. Can I quote every line of text or music, no...but I've watched every episode and read every book/magazine and dvd extra many many times apiece. Why? Because I want to know everything about this series that I possibly can. But that's me. Like I said, no worries.

[v3rlon]

Loved it. Best episode in recent history.

FINALLY, Clark is forced to confront the fact that the whole world needs help, not just a few close friends in Smallville.

Lois taking a step toward more respectable journalism...and starting to earn a name for herself since the "Green Arrow" name stuck. I do not think its a total lightswitch. I think Lois compulsively tells the truth as she sees it. She has connections to journalism in Chloe, and it is her way of making the world a better place.

As far as not trusting that small part of Chloe, in all fairness, we have seen journalistic Chloe go overboard on a couple of occasions. Perhaps Lois knows more than we've seen. Chloe keeping back some of the images shows the mistrust was justified. This could turn into a very bitter rivalry given how the writers seem fond of such things... assuming Chloe lives that long (I still suspect her days are numbered).

Dark Lana: I think its interesting. Perhaps she is in over her head, but it will be interesting to see how she develops when she has secrets of her own to protect.

[Liriel]

I think Lois compulsively tells the truth as she sees it. She wrote that GA kidnapped her! And she knew it was SafeTEX and knew GA saved her from them. That's not truth.

[jimintn]

Now THIS is the kind of Smallville that got me hooked in the first place! Great show! Plenty of action, great special effects.

I loved the awkwardness between Lois and Clark when OQ accused him of using sarcasm to hide is feelings for Lois. That was priceless.

And was I the only one who thought that Lana and Lionel had setup the whole thing in the elevator? If you watch, before she hits the stop button, it looks like she's trying to prepare herself for what she's about to do, and then afterwards, she lets out a big sigh of relief, that she was able to pull it off. I wouldn't put it past Lionel to have told Lana that Lex was testing her. It'd be just like him to play both sides against each other. He knows how dangerous that broken piece of the hard drive is and would do anything to keep Lex from getting it.

Overall, great episode and I hope the rest keep getting better.

[GooN]

thought it was a good episode, mostly because there were relevant things that happened in this one....

i like the oliver queen character more now, nice speech he gave to clark at the end.

[KryptoKnight]

Originally posted by TheOriginalKal-el
...Then all of a sudden she's happier than a pig in slop doing it?

:lol:
That's hilariously appropriate ...thanks, I needed that laugh.
Well, I tell ya what. You and I can take claim for the same admiration for this series. But we obviously do not expect the same thing from it. I find that mildly humbling because I can see that often my habit of generalizing can be taken as overbearing and I do not intend to do that. At the same time, our disagreement makes Smallville more interesting, knowing the same show that eventually ends meeting both our expectations(he becomes the kid who moves on to greater things), and is still capable of keeping interest alive from opposing views.

OMG it sounds like we might be an old married couple fighting over the kids. I think I need a change in life!! :lol:

[cartagena612]

This is probably one of the best non-finale or premire episodes for any tv show EVER.

[Re-Up]

It was okay, for the fact that Lex got back to his interest in the alien artifact. Anything to with the Green Arrow was lame imo. It was nice to see Lana outside of the norm. Hopefully this force feeding of the Green Arrow in attempt to get it's own series ends soon.

I'm ready for Clark to take center stage again.

I still think the season premier was the best epsidoe so far.

[Black Man of Steel]

I really liked this episode. I'm actually interested in this season more than Season 5.

I like how Lana is more and more "going to the darkside" lol

I don't think Green Arrow would make a good show by itself but you got to admit that his bow is pretty bad ass.

[President_Luthor]

Arrow was an entertaining episode on many fronts:

For anyone (like myself) who was afraid they might turn Ollie into an A.C. from "Aqua", those fears can be put to rest ... for now. They made this Ollie interesting, at least. The whole artifact-rescuing angle was a bit convoluted (wouldn't it be far easier just to report those buyers to the FBI?), but they needed to establish this guy's credibility as a future Justice Leaguer.

His speech with Clark was one I've also been waiting to hear. Someone needed to call out Clark on his let-things-happen-around-me laziness. He told him to take some initiative. Let's hope it sinks in. He also called out Clark on his holier-than-thou tut-tutting, something the 'Son of Kent' is an expert at. Clark richly deserved to have his smugness thrown back at him. I know it would be best if Clark didn't need someone to point those things out to him -- but this is Smallville. If no one keeps constantly reminding him that he's got a bigger future than running the family farm, he just ... won't ... do it. I thought it was great that Ollie let Clark decide just what he's going to do with Lionel's necklace: make a choice, Clark ... don't wait for Chloe to lead you by the hand this time.

It was fun to see Lois and Ollie banter, and we all know that Ollie is on thin ice if he thinks he'll maintain his charade for so long. Again, Lois pursuing journalism seems to be a can't-win scenario. If she didn't do anything about it in this ep., people would be saying she doesn't have the reporting skills and experience. Now that's she's starting out, there will be allegations she's not doing it well enough. All I can say is that Clark Kent -- yes, "that" Clark Kent -- is so far behind the mild-mannered reporter part of his destiny that he'll have to get his j-school degree online. He's the star of the show: if anyone should be slammed for not getting on with that part of his destiny, it's Kal-El. I think he left his writing interest in the boys' locker room at Smallville High, along with Pete's Wichita phone number and his humility.

I think it seemed a bit rushed that Clark would so quickly identify himself with Ollie (TPTB are anxious to force the JLA Junior Edition on-screen) -- to the extent that he would erase Chloe's evidence on her hard drive to protect him. Chloe seemed to accept it a bit too easily, especially since it was from a Daily Planet computer. She was quick to brush off Clark's invasion of privacy and theft as a code of honour among superheroes. Oh that's okay, Clark. Invade my privacy at my place of work -- it's a code of honour and that makes it swell! (I'm paraphrasing there). Clark's in no position to lecture Ollie about moral codes, when he so easily bends and shapes his own code according to his moods. It makes more sense that Clark kept GA's identity a secret because he wants Ollie to keep his own secret, too. A league of liars. At least Ollie's got an objective -- something about ends justifying the means, a never-day-die attitude that's characteristic of Ollie. If Clark's not going to set his own goals, he may as well let Ollie help him do that. :\ I'm glad they didn't make them fast friends, either. They shouldn't trust each other completely at this point. (If it was Bruce, not Ollie, he wouldn't trust Clark now. Period.)

[Ollie's role in guiding Clark towards that destiny should actually be Bruce Wayne/Batman's ... but it seems that Ollie is serving that role on SV.]

As for Lana ... she decided to show her calculating side now? I never expected the blackmail angle -- who'd have thought that it was a test of loyalty? Lionel taught Lex well. :lol: The world almost came to an end, so I guess that means Lana feels Luthor experimentation is the last, best defence against those aliens. (Does anyone think she maybe be playing for time, despite her 'loyalty' to Lex?) It gives Lexana a bit more to it - ie political ploys - than if it were just Lex and Lana sorting out only their feelings (do we really need to see more eps. with Clark telling Lana that Lex isn't good for her?)

As for the trick arrows ... :lol: I'm glad Ollie did some close-quarters combat, because he relied too heavily on those arrows. And the arrow getting the bullet? That was too much. :lol:

Still, I'll admit that I'm starting to like this Ollie Queen. He put Clark in his place, made him consider some choices. For that, we can be grateful. It's not his fault if Clark chooses to wait for his destiny to show up in the mail.

Maybe Ollie is here to smarten up Clark. Great Scott, Clark can't just show up at the JLA doorstep "as-is". The boy's still got some learnin' to do! Chloe has been trying to steer him subtly, but it hasn't sunk in for CK.

Keep it up Ollie: if you don't get Clark on track, who else will?

[Sweetie]

Great episode!!!

I loved the interaction between Clark & Green Arrow.Lex & Lionel had an interesting scene.I think that the friendly rivalery of Chlois will transforme Lois into the great reporter that we all know.She will be able to take harder challenges,advance her skills and fallow her journalistic instinct better.Lana was completly out of character.The writters don't know what to do with her anymore.

[Saviour of Earth]

I liked this episode i thought it was very solid, it also worked out the base for green arrows character.
The last scene wiuth ollie and clark was great and inspiring not jus to clark but to me and i hope to others as well.
It gave Clark something to think about, people seem to forget that he is only 20 years old it will take time for him to truly figure out what to do wiht his life. I am 20 years old and i aint sure what exactly i want to do in life and i am not contemplating being a hero for the world. It is a huge burden to place on him and it will take sometime to figure out his destiny.
He is an alien with incredible abilities that have isolated him from almost everyone, his biological father sent a msg to him telling him to rule the earth. I mean come on i think alot of people here need to give the character a break he isnt superman yet-in the mythos he isnt superman until he is nearly 30.
I like that Ollie have given him some advice and i think we will see clark come to terms with his abilities and relationship problems this season and look more towards the future.
I kinda liked Lana's "flirtation" with evil, i seriously doubt she will go all the way, jus enough to get a few people's attention. Clark will prolly save her from herself so to speak.
And thus rounding off the season with Lana leaving smallville once and for all to get some kind of redemption as well as to "find herself".
Clark wont be supes in the end i am pretty sure he wont even be close, i reckon he will travel the world a bit and all that train with his abilities and such. he must also "find himself."

As for Lois, its pretty reasonable to beleive that she all of a sudden decided to get into journalism.
My reasoning for this is that you dont know whats going on inside someones head; after all those times she was giving chloe crap about being a journalist she could have envied her over it and one day got the courage to actually do it.
Perhaps she just saw a really good article in the newspaper one day which she had a strong opinion on and it gave her the bug to try her hand at journalism.
My point is who knows, people change their major at uni alll the time, they change thier ambitions all the time. It happens.

[beternal]

This is what smallville is all about! - The end bit where he tries to talk clark into becoming (effectively) superman sent shivers down my spine!

- by far the best JLA episode and by far the best of the season so far

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by beternal
This is what smallville is all about! - The end bit where he tries to talk clark into becoming (effectively) superman sent shivers down my spine!

- by far the best JLA episode and by far the best of the season so far

I agree, the speech GA gave Clark was great, my favorite scene in the episode by far.

Tom Welling did an awesome job showing the thought process inside the head of Clark through his facial expressions.
:D

[Rockstar189]

Yeah, Tom did a good job in this episode. I hate Clark turning into Superman though, once he's with Lois my life will be over.

Clana FTW!

[Dean_19]

Very good ep, so releived after last weeks poor 'Wither'. Really good stuff, Lana showing her dark side, Clark when he stood up to GA...that was great! The talk GA gave Clark at the end was also great. Not a brilliant ep but good...with some really good scenes. Lets hope they build on that....:)

[Mr. Wrong]

I agree with everyone, the gradual formation of the JLA is a great way to take this series. This storyline allows the writers to stay within the Smallville venue and still maintain much of the traditional Superman myth. My only concern is how are they going to allow Clark to progress into his alter ego without his secret identity being compromised? Never the less, who is going to be next, Green Latern?, Batman? In either case I sure hope Clark gets Mom to do some sewing soon!

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by STFanatic
I agree, the speech GA gave Clark was great, my favorite scene in the episode by far.

Tom Welling did an awesome job showing the thought process inside the head of Clark through his facial expressions.
:D

Just to clarify - I loved the scene too. Did Clark say to him regarding GA's thought process of 'The End Justifies The Means' - did Clark tell him:

'Never think like that'

Or did he say:

'I Never think like that'

if he said the first then its not a good scene but a great scene.

[STFanatic]

Originally posted by ISUZU
Just to clarify - I loved the scene too. Did Clark say to him regarding GA's thought process of 'The End Justifies The Means' - did Clark tell him:

'Never think like that'

Or did he say:

'I Never think like that'

if he said the first then its not a good scene but a great scene.

I had to listen to it a few times before I could be sure, but to me it sounds like "Never feel that way".

:::::::putting it through filter and slowing it down::::::

N e v e r f e e l t h a t w a y .

Yup.
Even trying to lip read it comes out that way.

[ISUZU]

Originally posted by STFanatic
I had to listen to it a few times before I could be sure, but to me it sounds like "Never feel that way".

:::::::putting it through filter and slowing it down::::::

N e v e r f e e l t h a t w a y .

Yup.
Even trying to lip read it comes out that way.

Yeah thanks for that - it will be a defining moment for both of them.

[v3rlon]

Originally posted by Liriel
She wrote that GA kidnapped her! And she knew it was SafeTEX and knew GA saved her from them. That's not truth.

Yes, Compulsively tells the truth.

She THINKS the "green arrow bandit" was behind her kidnapping, and then faked the rescue for his own reasons.

Perhaps you noticed after he 'saved' her, that she had a crossbow pointed at him...even SHOT it at him??

That isn't an act of gratitude (maybe you liked to be thanked with sharp pointy objects fired at you with the intent of bodily harm?)

She doesn't KNOW it was Safetex that kidnapped her. She KNOWS that one of her kidnappers claimed that was the case. Perhaps kidnappers in Metropolis have been known to lie about their employers and motivations. Would YOU trust a kidnapper?

She is telling the truth as she see it (along with her stubborn preconceptions...).

Sheesh people... She IS Lois Lane. She IS the girl that Clark ends up with. No amount of Chloe love or Lois hate will change that.

[Liriel]

Yes, Compulsively tells the truth.

She THINKS the "green arrow bandit" was behind her kidnapping, and then faked the rescue for his own reasons.

<snip>


She doesn't KNOW it was Safetex that kidnapped her. She KNOWS that one of her kidnappers claimed that was the case.
No, she doesn't. There is actual dialog where she she agrees that GA saved her from people who were looking for him. She knows that it really was SafeTEX that kidnapped her, because the guy who told her so is the same guy from SafeTEX who questioned her after the party.

[Prodigal]

This was a good way to introduce Green Arrow, but i was waiting for more action, and all i got was the classic plot: Bad guy kidnaps girl, hero goes and saves her.

Anyway, i enjoyed the episode after two weeks of feeling smallville absent.

4/5

Prodigal ®

[Jill]

I loved it.

[freefall]

Originally posted by ISUZU
Just to clarify - I loved the scene too. Did Clark say to him regarding GA's thought process of 'The End Justifies The Means' - did Clark tell him:

'Never think like that'

Or did he say:

'I Never think like that'

if he said the first then its not a good scene but a great scene.

I thought he said "I'll never feel that way". He was not lecturing Oliver on his moral codes or trying to change his thinking about "the end justifies the means" anyway -- he was just simply stating how he felt about that. So it makes sense to me if he included the word 'I'. Just my opinion of course.

Great scene indeed :)

[SuperboyPrime]

Green arrow being one of my fav characters from DC was a brilliant choice for smallville, this has to be my favourite superhero intro episode and they really did the character justice!:cool:

[e-µ-i]

Well I enjoyed the way we were introduced with the Green Arrow. I especially like his arch and the way it's 'transforming', just gotta love that cool sound.
But, I can't stand Lois so far. If her character is gonna continue to be so arrogant and bossy, she'll became the new Lana. I sure hope someone will slap her around a little bit to teach her a lesson...

[LiliJ]

*gasp* What? That's why Lois' character is brilliant! And Lana isn't arrogant and bossy, she's emotional, strong, ruthless, and has a quiet outside personality. Plus, you have to ask yourself WHY Lois is that way. Her personality is very revealing...

But Arrow was brilliant. I watched it twice! And not just because I wanted to view the eye candy that is Oliver Queen... But I love that a slightly debatable (ethically) hero has been introduced. It makes a nice change from Clark's pure goodness... :p

[Nimkong]

A good episode.Liked how we learned more about oliver queen,the plot was great and its about a superhero!!