Did Clark KILL Super Plant girl?

[Flux capacitor]

It kinda looked like he did. If so, how will this affect the "Superman never kills" rule?

[jimmyolsenblues]

I am happy about it.
Clark could not put her back in the zone.
Clark used his brain about water and electricy, it could have been a worse episode.

[biggkoz]

I think its ok for him to kill renegade krytonians etc. Actually hasnt he been the cause of most peoples accidental deaths in past seasons ?

[Krypton935]

Yeah he did she exploded not even a weird palnt girl from another planet can be blown into a billion parts and come back.

[love_smallville]

Originally posted by Flux capacitor
It kinda looked like he did. If so, how will this affect the "Superman never kills" rule?

Maybe he didn't realize what would happen to her. Hasn't stuff like this happened previously?

[Flux capacitor]

^^ I'm not sure. We'll have to ask Timerster or HalJordan-they're the comic experts. I think most of the time in the Smallville-verse the bad guys accidentally kill themselves so Clark dosen't have to. It seems I've heard in my forum travels that Supes isn't allowed to kill anyone in the DC universe. I'm not saying it's bad to kill the bad guy, I actually like it. That's why Wolverine's one of my favorite characters. It just looked to me like he killed here-knowingly or not. If he did then next time Lex gets possesed by Zod--look out the gloves are coming off!

[Kalel33076]

He has killed before in the comics. He killed 3 renegade kryptonians using kryptonite and he killed doomsday

[Flux capacitor]

That's true. So why the flick wouldn't he kill super Lex when he had the chance?

[milton fine]

it kinda looked like gloria went into the light on the floor

[Hydra]

The 'Superman never kills rule" has always amounted to "Superman never kills if he can avoid it" rule... which I like. History has shown us a select few examples where Clark was forced to kill through lack of another option. There have also been times when he's accidentilly killed (Bruno Mannhiem). I don't think it counts as 'murderous intentions' if a villian dies as a result of fighting with Clark/Superman. It's when Superman purposely kills with the full knowledge of what he's doing when it really counts as 'killing'.

Last nights episode was an example where he didn't really have many options left (although it seems to me he should have just figured it out and used super speed, but that is neither here nor there).

[Crispin Glover]

She won't be back. The Phantom will, just with another stupid power, and in a nother stupid form!

[HowardFilms]

Originally posted by Flux capacitor
That's true. So why the flick wouldn't he kill super Lex when he had the chance?

Everytime that happens, teh universe goes nutso, and baaad things happen, so usually it turns out that was an alternate universe, or Clark finds another way to change the past.

...if only we had as many second chances as Clark. come to it, I wouldn't mind those powers either...

We better either see cool aliens, or kryptonians. No more of this nonsense. With all of DC at their disposal, this is all Smallville can muster? An alien version of Poisen Ivy. Wow.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Kalel33076
He has killed before in the comics. He killed 3 renegade kryptonians using kryptonite and he killed doomsday

Clark self-exiled because of what he did to Zod and Doomsday was a battle to death, IT was the only way to stop it (but it was already planned that Doomsday was infact immortal), costing Clark's own life.

Death is always the option that Superman tries to avoid no matter what.

[manofsteel30]

I thought about this last night and you know, I'm not really sure what this plant girl thing was. I'm thinking it's just a form of vegetation that the phantom is able to appear as a girl but that it's not really a sentient being. In this case Clark didn't kill, he just put an end to a plant that was out of control. If it was a girl, an actual girl, then yes it looks like he killed her and Clark shouldn't kill. Yes, he's killed in the comics. Once, with the three super-villains, he thought it was his only choice and then he went nuts and became another hero for a period of time after ostricizing himself in space. Then he vowed never to kill again. With Doomsday, he was in a fight to the death trying to put an end to the slaughter the beast was causing. In the end, both were apparantly dead but Doomsday wasn't so again, Superman doesn't kill. On Smallville, it's been questionable dozens of times at best and he's definitely killed without remorse on other times. Shameful. A show about Superman, indeed.

[Timester]

Originally posted by Hydra
The 'Superman never kills rule" has always amounted to "Superman never kills if he can avoid it" rule... which I like. History has shown us a select few examples where Clark was forced to kill through lack of another option. There have also been times when he's accidentilly killed (Bruno Mannhiem). I don't think it counts as 'murderous intentions' if a villian dies as a result of fighting with Clark/Superman. It's when Superman purposely kills with the full knowledge of what he's doing when it really counts as 'killing'.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Hydra
Last nights episode was an example where he didn't really have many options left (although it seems to me he should have just figured it out and used super speed, but that is neither here nor there).

There is always an option. We could perfectly cut the vines with heat vision and stop her with super breath.

[Flux capacitor]

too bad Clark dosen't have a Phantom Zone projector so he can send bad guys ( and gals ) there.

[Lightning Flash]

Yeah... he should have sent her back to the PZ if he had the chance to.

I think Clark did kill "Gloria." I mean she just went into a state of oblivion, doesn't look like she survived.

[jazzylg]

If you recall, clark said, " what am I going to do with you?". He wasn't sure how he was going to keep her in check.She made the 1st move, and thanks to BatChloe, he knew how to take her down.

[gj430]

I didn't really mind what he did. she was alien and killing people and he didn't have a way to send her to the PZ so what was he suppose to do. With KFOTWS they are human and he can send them to like bell reeve but whats he going to do with her. She was going to kill him and he shot his heat vision to stop. He my have thought it would incapacitate her or he may have known it would destroy her, but he didn't really have another choice. She would have just kept killing people.

I wondered about this stuff too when I found out about ZOTWS getting out of the Zone. What is Clark suppose to do with the rest of them. He cn't have big fights to the deth with all of them and if the Fortress isn't working at the time he has to find some way to stop them. I've talked about Raya dieing in another thread. I was thinking it shouldn't be so easy to kill Kryptonians becuase how are we suppose to believe Clark would be able to survive so much if all the other Kryptonians are killed so easy. I know some people would want to believe Clark survives just because he is "Superman" and superman survives, but it's really that he is Kryptonians and his powers. If another Kryptonian who say was good had been sent to earth and ended up with a different personality they would be just as hard to kill as Clark they just may have a different approach to Superheroing. And if they were bad they would be almost unstoppable. Thats why it was always good Clark turned out they way he did because he was raised morally. In alternate reality things or elseworlds you see how different he could be.

I don't know if it counts to anybody but "A Superman" on Justice League killed Lex in an alternate dimension and they formed the Justice Lords, and Lobodimized Doomsday nd all the other villians. So sometimes they have shown Clark kill it's just in an alternate dimension. Sometime people or writers tend to let alternate dimension versions do things the main universe one wouldn't. But to me I always thought what one was capable of the other was. Especially in this case because he was basically the same until he mde that decision and Lex said he would just keep getting out and would've killed him a long ago if he had it in him, so then CLark heat visioned his head off.

[crazysmoke]

i didn't mind that he killed her but man what a waste.

but it seems that even jorel didn't kill her but clark did.

[vikingjedi]

Superman killed Zod at the end of Superman 2 by throwing him across the room causing him to slide down the ice wall after he lost his powers. So I guess in certain situations Superman does kill.

[HalJordan4184]

Only in the Lester cut, in the Donner cut, the pz criminals survived, and were hauled off to jail.

Also, Superman doesn't kill. It's not a matter of, he doesn't kill unless he has no choice, he just doesn't do it. Zod and his crew in the comics, had already destroyed all life on another earth, and they were all pre crisis level powers, which was vastly superior to our Superman. When he stripped their powers, they said they'd get them back and kill him and everyone he loves, and he believed them. He executed them, and was so overcome with grief over that decision, that he exiled himself from Earth, because he felt he was unfit to live amongst humanity anymore, he viewed himself as subhuman. And that was for executing the three people who ELIMINATED the human race from existance.

Doomsday was just another matter entirely. Aside from being immortal, which Superman didn't know about, h wasn't really alive. He couldn't think, or feel, he just killed, without mercy. Superman did what he had to to put him down, but it's like he destroyed a mindless robot, more than a living thing.

[AlwaysAround]

Exactly.

I still think that bringing Doomsday to the live-action silver screen would be simply amazing to watch. However, Doomsday is so one dimentional a character that I think they need to have another villian to be the one to release him and be involved in the plot. Supermen needs both his physical and mental abilities tested. I'd like to see Routh take on Doomsday. They'd need a lot more action than they had in SR though.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Also, Superman doesn't kill. It's not a matter of, he doesn't kill unless he has no choice, he just doesn't do it. Zod and his crew in the comics, had already destroyed all life on another earth, and they were all pre crisis level powers, which was vastly superior to our Superman. When he stripped their powers, they said they'd get them back and kill him and everyone he loves, and he believed them. He executed them, and was so overcome with grief over that decision, that he exiled himself from Earth, because he felt he was unfit to live amongst humanity anymore, he viewed himself as subhuman. And that was for executing the three people who ELIMINATED the human race from existance

Maybe so, but what about Bruno Manhiem? Superman destroyed the boom tube killing Bruno. And later after Superman came back to life he killed the Cyborg. True he came back, but Superman believed him to be dead at the time. And you can't say that the Cyborg 'wasn't human so it doesn't count' because the Cyborg was a sentient being with a human concessnious.

[son2380]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
I am happy about it.
Clark could not put her back in the zone.
Clark used his brain about water and electricy, it could have been a worse episode.

What do you mean he used his brain, Chloe was the one that told him how to kill the plants

Hal is that accurate that superman can be hurt by an alien Plant. I thought the only thing that could hurt him was Krytonite and magic. A none magical none krytonian plant pierced clarks skin. I can understand if she was Kryptonian but I don't thinks she was.

And once again they made Clark look like a retard because Chloe had to tell him how to defeat her. Or was that just another excuse to give a useless character like Chloe ar purpose on the show

[Flux capacitor]

I agree that it was good that he eliminated her. It seems to me the only reason that writers want Superman not to kill is so they don't have to create new villans. Now they'll say it's because of some high moral reasons, but at the end of the day if Superman kills Lex Luthor then we lose a great villian for our entertainment. Whereas in the real world someone that dangerous should be dealth with accordingly (I'm refering to future Lex not current Lex). Anyway the point is that if Jor-El had dealt with murderous criminals with capital punishment in the first place then earth wouldn't be in the trouble it's in. But, from the viewer's perspective it's good because we get drama, action, and suspense blah blah blah.
It's just like 1989's Batman with Jack Nicholson. They'd killed the Joker in the end. And although it was satisfying to see the villan destroyed, it also eliminated any posibility of having a great villan return.

[TWCK]

Yup, she's dead.

Did anyone else find that they totally zipped through this scene? I mean, one or two punches and ZAP she's dead, then quickly to the next shot. I didn't get any sense of resolution only because there was no meat to this scene. Clark got rid of her awfully fast.

[vikingjedi]

I was thinking about it, what other choice did Clark have? She was trying to take over the world by killing humanity and there was no way to imprison her. I just don't see another option, Clark even said that.

[omegadirective]

I think the No-Kill rule is really honorable and all that, but what if your enemy doesn't give you a choice?

I think Clark killing Gloria the superplantgirl was the right thing to do, not because she's evil, or murderous, but because he did it out of self-defense. Gloria's vines can hurt him, and he got impaled by them in the forest, and he was being choked at the time, so I think Clark using lethal force during the greenhouse scuffle (it wasn't a battle, per se) was morally acceptable.

I think it is more reasonable that Clark (and Superman) take on the No-Murder rule; it's subtly different from the No-Kill rule. Self-defense killing (when your life is in lethal jeopardy) isn't murder, so Clark should have no qualms with that. Something unacceptable would be like shoot-to-kill when engaging villains.

[PaulNeb]

Originally posted by HalJordan4184
Only in the Lester cut, in the Donner cut, the pz criminals survived, and were hauled off to jail.

Gee, so which one counts as canon?

And now for something completely different...


My $0.02 on superplantgirl
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She wasn't Kryptonian. She may have been from Krypton, but that doesn't make her Kryptonian. Lots and lots of species on this planet, but how many of then would you refer to as "Earthling"?
Supes can be very ruthless when necessary, if the threat is sufficient. I've read one comic where he was perfectly willing to turn the Earth into a scorched cinder rather than yield it to the bad guy.
Clark's still young and learning. Accidental killings do happen.
Technical point: Clark didn't kill her, the electricity did. Yes, Clark did cause her to get zapped, but was he trying to kill her?
[/list=1]

[Flux capacitor]

^^:rotfl:

And I suppose if I shot you, you'd blame the bullet?

:rotfl:

And yes there is a difference between murder and killing

[Farm_Girl]

Well I voted for Wait, you moron, Shelby wasn't in this epi! because I don't buy it the way he just used his heat vision and she's gone..

And why on earth he couldn't do it earlier in the woods.. but then, how else would you give Chloe the chance to single handedly rescue him and Jimmy.

Seriously, when Clark was tied in the woods, I was so annoyed, why couldn't he do something himself? :mad:

[Luthorism]

clark may take a few "how to kill" lessons from lex..
It would be helpful through his life education.

[President_Luthor]

Originally posted by crazysmoke
i didn't mind that he killed her but man what a waste.

but it seems that even jorel didn't kill her but clark did.

She's one FOTW that I wouldn't mind seeing again. And again.

Her park ranger hotness should not be allowed to die. Why do TPTB bring on guest stars and then waste their potential and bury their plotlines in sudsy relationship glop?

I'm casting my vote. Amber Mcdonald is my favourite (and hottest) female guest star who's ever appeared on Smallville. (I'll have to bid au revoir to Emmanuelle Vaugier/Helen Bryce, who held that unofficial title IMHO. She keeps the silver medal, though.).

Don't let Gloria die, AlMiles: those park ranger shorts were meant for walking ... into more episodes! :eek:

[Flux capacitor]

^^ I second that!!!!!!

[Hydra]

She was alright but I think there have been fare more attractive women on Smallville.

[kazek]

Ofcos he did. She's not relevant to the story. She's just like one of those irrelevant characters like the invisible dude or insect boy in season 1.
If you haven't noticed, thats the trend in Smallville. No villain lasts more than one episode. Each of those guys that came out of the PZ with Clark is going to be dealt with just as easily as plant girl was dealt with.....

One episode is all it will take....

[smallvillerocks45]

Of course not...it was biology 101 that killed plant lady, this time.
On a serious note, she probably won't be back, but rather than her dying, she seems to have just "evaporated". Even if she did die (who knows what the writers have planned up their sleeves), I don't think Clark directly killed her. He used his heat vision, but it was the electric contact that did her in IMO.

(someone already mentioned the electricity idea...I hadn't realized that...and the point about the bullet is definitely a strong one...)

[All about Clark]

This time Clark didn't have any other option but to kill her in self defense.

And I did believe he was prepared to kill her based on his comment to Chloe about how she killed it. She simply didn't belong on Earth, and I think that is how Clark saw it.

[SacredK]

Hopefully, Clark did. I find the character a bit dense. Her reasoning on why she does what she does is on the *yawns* side of things to me. :) Next!

[neildingley]

I got the Impresion she and the plant thing were one and the same, else why would she have been destroyed in the same way as the plant, something clark could not have known in advance.

[Ares]

Superman should kill the evil ppl. An this one was lame.. he didnt really do anything the water did most of the work. An why is he an idiot and cant figure things out himself. Chloe is always the one.