Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of "Void?" [Archive]

Shadow09

04-06-2006, 08:46 PM

I thought it was a very good episode that had some good Superman references. A good Clark and Lana moment although I am unsure as to why it was even there... oh well...

I almost thought for a moment that Lana and Lex would have a little make out after Lex had found Lana trying to steal from him.... Lana I thought would have tried to get what she wanted by giving Lex what he wants.

A breath of fresh air seeing Pa Kent once again :D
I really liked that scene with Clark and John, John telling Clark about his destiny to help others, be a symbol of Justice and Peace.

Overall this was a much better episode than Hypnotic.

clarksmuse

04-06-2006, 08:53 PM

I totally enjoyed seeing Pa Kent again! *sniff* How I've missed him! I thought this was a great episode.

CallMeClark

04-06-2006, 08:55 PM

All I can say is WOW! It was perfect. We were never aware that we were going to see Lillian. That episode was nicely structured. I loved all three of the "near-death-experiences." My favorite had to have been Lexs though. I loved the line about blood, from all the people he will kill. I cannot rave enough about this episode. Smallville is coming back with a "vengance."

You can see the pre-Lexana in this episode. And I actually do not mind it. They have some Chemistry.

Clark finding that Fine is still alive was also nicely done. No ship. (I thought we saw a screen cap of him in that jungle with the ship though?)

And all the Chloe-ness, it was so nice. Her comment about the Betty Ford club made me laugh. And she looked adorable. ;) I have to say this episode was great!

And Pa Kent. Oh Zod do I miss him.

superhippie2000

04-06-2006, 09:12 PM

i think the episode was great. im shocked that lex saw his mom agian since we had no clue about it. it was nice to see her tell lex how he screwed up and is now going to kill lots of people and how he lied to lana about what his mom said. it was cool actually seeing clark run to houndoras and they showed the map that was neat. i was hoping we would see brainiac agian but of course there wouldnt be enough time in the episode for a good confrontation. i thought with the whole lana story they would have done something better with her parents. if i didnt know in advance clark would see his dad i would have hoped for him to see jor el. lionel is getting alot creepier and is little look when he said goodnight clark was creepy. we know now that lionel knows clarks secrete but im just wondering what else is going on with him knowing and tracing brainiac and if jor el is still able to control lionel or not.

muffinpeddler

04-06-2006, 09:16 PM

Terrific episode! I was expecting complete garbage, but this was awesome! Smallville is back! i was a little miffed that we were kinda dropped into the middle of the story, but everything else (Clark speeding to Honduras, Lionel in anything, Lex and Lilian, the "Hand", Jonathan, EVERYTHING!) was flippin' awesome! I CANNOT wait for the next episode, it looks amazing!

amberdawn

04-06-2006, 09:18 PM

I didnt like most of it. The only part I thought was great was Jonathan and his speech he gave to Clark.

Metropolis Hero

04-06-2006, 09:22 PM

I loved this episode. The Jonathan/Clark scene and the scene with Lex talking with his mother were fantastic. Great Episode!

Cookie 28

04-06-2006, 09:23 PM

Wow. Completly agree. The only good part was with Clark and Jonathan. I am glad I'm not the only one.

spideyfan

04-06-2006, 09:37 PM

For no more Clana...there sure was a lot of Lana in this episode...Jonathan made it worthwhile though.

the CK running to Hondourus scene was cool.

I give it a 8/10 + 1 bonus for a Pa Kent appearance

warriorrenegade

04-06-2006, 09:50 PM

I loved it, It was great stuff. Completely not what I expected. Clark actually taking it upon himself to investigate Fines whereabouts. Superspeed effect was awesome. Lionel scenes with Martha... freakin awesome aswell. What does Lionel want? Man Ihope the answer doesn't dissapoint. Clark being visited by his dad, gave me chills. When he came on the screen I yelled at the TV. "YOU BETTER NOT CUT TO COMMERCIAL". loved the symbol dialouge ahh echos of Superman is always good stuff. Then the shock for me was learning Lionel was the one who pointed Chloe in the direction of Fine, Wow moment for sure. I can't wait for the seasons remaining episodes. I'd give this episode a 9 / 10. I feel one of the best episodes since "Rosetta" or "Memoria"

xrayvision

04-06-2006, 09:55 PM

I really liked the superspeed effects (starting point---destination and then the running). Very nice.

BadToad

04-06-2006, 09:56 PM

I thought it was OK, definitely falling on the more favorable side. I loved the Clark/Pa Kent stuff. That was awesome, and TW & JS were terrific. And I liked Lex/Lillian too. They kind of snuck that one in there. The last half hour really picked up quite a bit.

enamored

04-06-2006, 10:02 PM

Great episode. Never trust the trailers because they always distort what an episode is going to be about. They pointed to a totally Lana centric episode and although it was there was so much more. The scene with JK was amazing.

Also, now we know that the picture Lionel had was about Clark and that he really did set Martha up with the fake blackmailer just so he could step in and be her knight in shining armor.

hbkid21

04-06-2006, 10:06 PM

Great episode. Makes me hate waiting another week cause it so long away. Worth the wait tho...BTW, is it just me or the commercials seemed a lil bit longer tonight?

SmallvilleMan

04-06-2006, 10:11 PM

They just love crapping on Clana.....All I can say about this episode.

aqua

04-06-2006, 10:25 PM

Hm, I seem to be in the minority.

I think every scene without Lana was great. Lionel was at his absolute best and I'm loving him as the MB. Martha as the senator is more interesting, IMO, than Jonathan as it. Clark looking for Fine was great, and I especially loved them acknowledging that he can run much farther than to Metropolis and back.

Clark meeting Jonathan was great, except I'm waiting for all of the things Jonathan was talking about to surface. I'm hoping that this will be the push that Clark needs to stop dwadling around and actually make a difference.

I LOVED the Lex/Lillian stuff. Alisen Down is a great actress and I love they keep bringing her back. She was extremely creepy in that and the best part of the episode. I also loved how Lex completely ignored it and lied right to Lana's face. True love, right there.

Now, onto Lana..

First off, Holly Harold should be banned from any Lana episode. she always seems to write her horribly. Second, Lana is the worst written character I've seen on a TV show. Sometimes I tolerate her, even *gasp* like her, the next week she's turning into an evil hypocrite. This episode was probably the worst written Lana episode I've ever seen.

So, she breaks up with Clark and suddenly turns into a junkie? (by the way: worst. metaphor. ever. Even worse than the Buffy magic=drugs, which is pretty bad considering). It came out of nowhere, and with no lead up. She has no inner strength and apparantely cannot handle any emotional blow. Her parents die, she whines about them forever. I know that a parent dying is an emotional thing in life, but I know people who had parents die when they were fourteen and they didn't keep bringing it up like Lana does.

Lana also took absolutely no responsibilty for her actions. The best she could do was tell Lex that she was sorry and didn't even try to thank Clark for saving her life, endangering her own. When Clark confronted her about it, she defended all of her actions, despite the fact that they were dangerous and ill-conceived. She shows that she's not mature enough to do a simple act such as thanking Clark and can't grow up enough to admit that she was wrong. Either that, or she did and I completely didn't notice in my coma-like state.

So, great B plots, horrible A plot.

MBCorp

04-06-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by aqua
Now, onto Lana..

First off, Holly Harold should be banned from any Lana episode. she always seems to write her horribly. Second, Lana is the worst written character I've seen on a TV show. Sometimes I tolerate her, even *gasp* like her, the next week she's turning into an evil hypocrite. This episode was probably the worst written Lana episode I've ever seen.

So, she breaks up with Clark and suddenly turns into a junkie? (by the way: worst. metaphor. ever. Even worse than the Buffy magic=drugs, which is pretty bad considering). It came out of nowhere, and with no lead up. She has no inner strength and apparantely cannot handle any emotional blow. Her parents die, she whines about them forever. I know that a parent dying is an emotional thing in life, but I know people who had parents die when they were fourteen and they didn't keep bringing it up like Lana does.

Lana also took absolutely no responsibilty for her actions. The best she could do was tell Lex that she was sorry and didn't even try to thank Clark for saving her life, endangering her own. When Clark confronted her about it, she defended all of her actions, despite the fact that they were dangerous and ill-conceived. She shows that she's not mature enough to do a simple act such as thanking Clark and can't grow up enough to admit that she was wrong. Either that, or she did and I completely didn't notice in my coma-like state.

So, great B plots, horrible A plot.

Agreed.

SmallvilleMan

04-06-2006, 10:41 PM

They hate the Lana character. I'll be the first to say I'm not liking how she's acting at all. They're killing her character, piece by piece. I mean now, i can see legit reasons to dislike her or hate her. Although Clark's a moron too, so..... Because you can always question Lana's actions are reactions to Clark's.

lois incognito

04-06-2006, 11:34 PM

I don't know this episode didn't do it for me. Maybe because I'm having a crummy night, but this one kind of freaked me out for some reason. It just wasn't there, the acting, the story, it was just so so. I hope it turns out better.

AverageJoe

04-07-2006, 12:20 AM

I loved this episode :D It had an excellent feel to it, and there were three scenes i absolutely loved!
1) Lionel asking Martha on a date then her totally shutting him down. That was so funny!
2) Lex's death experience thingy. Lillian looked so pretty, and for the first time i really saw her as a true Luthor. In Memoria she was more of a tragic housewife, in Lexmas she was more kind and gentle and she never really fit in with hard callus Lionel and Lex. But here when she was talking to Lex about how he ignored all her advice from Lexmas she was so much more predatory and cunning and I could more see the Luthor in her.
3) The scene near the end where Lionel picks up Martha, and he says 'goodnight clark' all wierd in the 'i know something' kinda tone. But i mostly liked this scene because of Martha's red dress! HOT

Batman_Beyonder

04-07-2006, 12:42 AM

Loved it, 9/10... :) Lex future forshadowed was awesome... He mother scares me for some reason.

love_smallville

04-07-2006, 01:44 AM

Loved most of it-esp Clark/Jonathan and the superspeed to Honduras was cool.

Some of the scenes reminded me of a low budget horror film though which disappointed me.

Finally, when Clark was injected, Lana never even tried to stop it, knowing it would kill him. Plus, late when he came to see how she was doing it was all about her, she never even asked how he was doing or what had happened to him while he was dead (like Lex had told her).

Other than those few things I really liked the forshadowing.

:)

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 01:50 AM

Finally, when Clark was injected, Lana never even tried to stop it, knowing it would kill him. Plus, late when he came to see how she was doing it was all about her, she never even asked how he was doing or what had happened to him while he was dead (like Lex had told her).

Off course she didn't, why would they do anything to make Lana look good? I'm surprised they didn't have her say that it was all Clark's fault and he should have been there to protect her earlier. The writers are just trying to kill her character into the ground.

dhacker615

04-07-2006, 02:10 AM

Easily one of the best episodes this season to me.

This one came out of left-field, since the promos looked pretty bad. The premise was a straight rip-off of 'Flatliners', but they didn't dwell on it too much. That seemed like a good move. The sad tone and the use of the grief that connects Clark, Lex and Lana was a good idea. This was the type of truly sad episode you would've expected post-'Reckoning', but didn't. Lots of good stuff, including:
- Seeing Chloe and Clark working together on the Milton Fine stuff was welcome. I like that they are one step behind Lex and, therefore, two steps behind Fine. They should be. It makes sense and creates some sense of a real threat.
- The Lana character is often best when she is at her worst. She is self-involved and co-dependent. The efforts to make her something other than that tend to wind up lame (i.e. the witch arc from Season 4). She is exactly the type of person who would make the drama of a break-up and even bigger deal than it is. Seeing her as a metaphoric junkie made sense to me.
- The Lexana is better than expected. I still wouldn't want a steady diet of it for the rest of the series, but it has become a plausible plot twist. It might have been richer if they'd not telegraphed the end of the Clana so far in advance.
- As several people have already said, the near death scenes were all very strong. The JK-CK scene was the strongest, because it gave Clark a chance to say that he has been foolish recently. I needed to hear that.
- Wow. The regular actors are all really good. You can really tell in the scenes like the MK-Clark-Lionel one. Multiple actors playing a simple scene each on multiple levels. It was better than 90% of the movies you see these days.

The bad:
- They might as well change Chloe's name to Chloe Ex Machina at this point. She always shows up at exactly the right second and guesses exactly the right thing to do for no plot or character based reason. Sure, it moves the story along, but it is getting absurd.
- Lana's recovery was a bit too quick and Lex was a bit too forgiving. I know, he is in love with her, but nothing about breaking into his house and stealing his car? Not even to manipulate her by leveraging her guilt? Nothing?
- I'm bored with the super-speed. It is time for Clark to start flying. Passed time, really. We had the big debut in S4, then a little bit this season. It is time that they started playing with the novice flyer stuff.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 02:21 AM

She is exactly the type of person who would make the drama of a break-up and even bigger deal than it is.

You act like this is a regular break up. The Clark and Lana relationship was anything, but normal or easy, as was it's break-up.

Poetic Chaos

04-07-2006, 02:30 AM

Definitely on the horrible side. Only good scene was the one with Pa Kent and I didn't even like his character when he was alive.

-Not the strongest acting.

-The super-speed might as well be turned into teleportation at this point.

-Lana is an idiot.

-It made absolutely no sense for whatever his name was to stop Lana from injecting herself. She would've died just the same like he wanted.

Kryptomaniac

04-07-2006, 03:01 AM

This is what I get when you mix my least-liked writer with my least-liked director starring my least-liked character.

Only saving grace was the Jonathan scene. TW was way off in this one the rest of the time...which wasn't much screentime.

Too gruesome a death scene for the Lance guy and totally unnecessary.

The from-space view of the superspeed through Central America was pretty cool. But I disagree with Lionel, Martha should NEVER wear that color.

I miss Jonathan sooooooooooooooooooo much.

Rating 2 out of 5.

Spindrift

04-07-2006, 06:47 AM

I liked this episode. Made me forget how bad the last one, "Hypnotic" was. The best part was the scene with Clark and his dearly departed dad. Brought tears to my eyes, and once again, director Jeannot Szwarc (Somewhere In Time) gets 4 stars from me!

CallMeClark

04-07-2006, 07:11 AM

It was beyond amazing, and was one of my favorites this year. For once the plot was about the main characters, even if it was Lana. It was still soooo good. We had no FoTWs! I thought this episode was great. The near-death-experiences made the episode, as well as our dose of Chloe. It seems she will be in quite a pickle before the season's end, however. I have a feeling Fine will be using her for something, as well as Martha.

ClLaLeChFAN01

04-07-2006, 07:17 AM

This episode is awesome! I was worried about it but then when I saw it I liked it! I was SOOOO happy when Martha said to Lionel that they are nothing more t han just friends...I cheered!!!

Krypton935

04-07-2006, 07:24 AM

I loved it. Smallville is back!!! good job SV team. I can't wait to see the episode next week. It looks really good. :)

red-K glory

04-07-2006, 08:03 AM

I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season!!! I absolutely loved it!! I just hope the last episodes of the season are as good if not better than this episode.

smallvilleaddict15

04-07-2006, 08:12 AM

Good episode. Hope that the rest of the season is just as good.

margroks

04-07-2006, 08:35 AM

It was a new and needlessly gruesome low in plot and characterization for Smallville. Definitely one of the worst of the season. It's saving grace was the very poignant scene with Clark and Jonathan but even that, good as it was, bothered me becasue aside from the fact that Jonathan died needlessly, he should not have to push Clark to his destiny. It lessens Clark's journey that he can't follow his desinted road unless people push him That's not what Superman should be about.

That Lana would be that stupid and onsessed with her dead 'rents that she'd take drugs to die and see them was not only OOC for her but a pathetic plot to begin with. I've alwasy seen the true Lana who's selfish and manipulative and she was in true form when later, after Clark save her again, still gives him a dig when she said she wasn't happy and felt alone even when she was with him. Another way of getting back at him and making him feel bad for not allowing her to control the relationship, which meant telling her his secrets even though she kept plenty from him. First and foremost, it was Lana showing that if she couldn't be in control and the vcenter of attention then she wasn't happy. What a nasty piece of work she is but the drug thing still went too far.

And of course, Lana steals from and lies to Lex and Clark (again), gets them both killed, literally and yet she's instantly forgiven. Both of them should have ripped her for her stupid and dangerous behavior instead of letting her slide. And of course, I knew she'd never be called to account for being involved in yet another death. Lana almost always gets off scot free no matter what she does. ANd lets not forget how she dissed Chloe to the creeps who were drugging her when Chloe was genuinely and quite legitimately concerned for her welfare. Lana has never really deserved the worship heaped upon her by everyone and this ep, even overlooking the actual drugs part, proves it.

And, much though I love Chloe and Clark investigating things and that all was, including the Fine angle and Clark racing to Honduras, one of the few high points ion an otherwise miserable episode, Homeland Security does not track college students through their IDs. A much more reasonable explanation would have been that Lana took Lex's car and THAT did have a GPS tracking system which Chloe could have hacked into to find her and then, with that ballpark location, Clark could have zipped there and, using his X-RAY VISION, found her almost instantly. It would have taken no more time and been totally believable. THe writer really blew it with this one but it was Holly Harold so it's not surprising it was a dog. And let's face it, the least interesting character on this show becoming a drug addict is just stupid. I can't believe M&G let this one pass into production.

greggbray

04-07-2006, 09:50 AM

There were some inconsistencies, but it has been one of the better post-Lexmas episodes. Since Lexmas, I enjoyed Lockdown, Vengence (despite the gal's terrible performance), Cyborg (great stuff) and this one.

I felt like I had been punched in the stomach by the terrible device in 'Reckoning.' I felt that sensation again last week with 'Hypnotic.' C'mon! WE could write better stuff.

But this episode made Reckoning easier to swallow, and gave a much better ending to Clana than last week. There were weak spots, but over all, a pretty good episode.

Summers

04-07-2006, 10:12 AM

For SV standards this episode was pretty decent, and one of the very few I loved this season. Despite it was cross of the movie Flatliners and SV episode "Memoria".

-Even though JK's speech was basically OOC(for five years he thrive to give Clark a choice in his life, and here was the opposite of what his character wanted for his son) I still loved the dialogue. Notice how bright Clark's "void" was compared to Lex's "void" where his was in the midst of darkness.
-Finally Clark is proactive. I wish he was the same last season with the stones :\.
-Lex's "void" was great. I loved when Lillian called Lex "Alexander". I don't know about the any of you, but when a mama calls you by your full name you are in trouble lol. Great glove moment. Direct link to "Hourglass", "Scare", and "Onyx". Where he will have a kryptonite ring that will later give him cancer.
-I think Lana was very much shafted in this episode. Lex and Clark's "void" apperances was great, but we got nothing from Lana's parents. She deserved better than that. We deserved better than that. It could've been used as a way to move on for her. Her parents were so underutilized this episode. The makeup on KK was very well done I thought.
-I agree with Aqua. Martha's Senate arc is very more intriguing than Jonathan was.
-Dr.Crane wannabe death is now one of the most gruesome of this series.

Nitpicks:
-okay that kryptonite shot into Clark should have KILLED him :lol:. WTH is up with that :lol:. Plus how in the heck did he come out of his "void".
-the med student reminded me of their version of Dr.Crane/Scarcrow from Batman.
-The transition of the CGI was really honky
-Lana was too easily recovered from the experience. She should've been having withdrawls.
-The Clana moment, in fact, needed however I would have placed before Martha/Lionel/Clark scene. To have Lionel shutting the door on Clark as the last frame of the episode.
-Martha better have something up her sleeve with Lionel because this makes her look horrible. Considering what all Lionel has done to her family and friends to have to even socializing with him and asking for advice is just wrong. So OOC. She better have something up her sleeve, or it's on the list of OOC moments of SV series.
-the college IDs was a stupid stupid explaination. Give me a break. They are writing things that just do not happen. Plus if it were to happen Lana would not be able to enter that building since she is not a pre-med student. She would need clearance to enter that building.

SmallvilleMan

04-07-2006, 11:17 AM

And of course, Lana steals from and lies to Lex and Clark (again), gets them both killed, literally and yet she's instantly forgiven. Both of them should have ripped her for her stupid and dangerous behavior instead of letting her slide. And of course, I knew she'd never be called to account for being involved in yet another death. Lana almost always gets off scot free no matter what she does. ANd lets not forget how she dissed Chloe to the creeps who were drugging her when Chloe was genuinely and quite legitimately concerned for her welfare. Lana has never really deserved the worship heaped upon her by everyone and this ep, even overlooking the actual drugs part, proves it.

Yeah, Clark's really going to rip into her after what he's done.....:rolleyes: The same thing for Lex.

attitudejc

04-07-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Krypton935
I loved it. Smallville is back!!! good job SV team. I can't wait to see the episode next week. It looks really good. :)

couldn't have said it better myself!

CallMeClark

04-07-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Summers
Notice how bright Clark's "void" was compared to Lex's "void" where his was in the midst of darkness.
Good point. I hadn't thought about that.

I think Lana was very much shafted in this episode. Lex and Clark's "void" apperances was great, but we got nothing from Lana's parents. She deserved better than that. We deserved better than that. It could've been used as a way to move on for her. Her parents were so underutilized this episode.
Agreed! That is the one thing that erked me about this episode. There was no dialogue between them.

aqua

04-07-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Summers
-I agree with Aqua. Martha's Senate arc is very more intriguing than Jonathan was.

Haha, yay for agreeing. :lol:

MBCorp

04-07-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Summers
Notice how bright Clark's "void" was compared to Lex's "void" where his was in the midst of darkness.

Good observation about the comparisons between Clark and Lex's "voids". I've read some interesting speculation that the reason for that could be (besides the symbolism of it, of course) that Lillian is in a type of purgatory/hell (she did kill her baby after all), while Jonathan is in Heaven. I liked how creepy and surreal Lex's void was, while Clark's was so full of love and joy (well, except for JK's warning) and that JK encouraged Clark to leave while Lex's mom wanted him to stay with her (and little wonder!).

-I agree with Aqua. Martha's Senate arc is very more intriguing than Jonathan was.

I second this! This Mionel plotline may be OOC for Martha but it's sure fascinating to watch.

And yay for proactive Clark, too. I was so happy that he seemed more interested in investigating Fine in this episode than in pining over Lana.

Summers

04-07-2006, 03:08 PM

Gee, I had a lot of typos in that post :\. So very much in a hurry lol. Plus for some reason my edit button isn't working....grrr.

Anyways did anyone feel a touch of Hamlet in Clark's void? I mention it because to me it reminded me of Hamlet Sr. talking to Prince Hamlet about his Uncle Claudius's wrong doing, and he also mentions his mother Gertude. For some reason it reminded me of Hamlet in that scene.

Originally posted by MBCorp
Good observation about the comparisons between Clark and Lex's "voids". I've read some interesting speculation that the reason for that could be (besides the symbolism of it, of course) that Lillian is in a type of purgatory/hell (she did kill her baby after all), while Jonathan is in Heaven. I liked how creepy and surreal Lex's void was, while Clark's was so full of love and joy (well, except for JK's warning) and that JK encouraged Clark to leave while Lex's mom wanted him to stay with her (and little wonder!).

I agree. To me it also felt like Heaven and Hell especially since Lex's "void" had fire in it(in the fireplace).

tjpw fanatic

04-07-2006, 03:09 PM

absolutely loved it:)

mario masta

04-07-2006, 03:11 PM

I pretty much agree with most of you; Jonathan+Clark, Lex, Lionel+Martha, and Honduras were the best parts of the episode, while everything that involved Lana was terrible. One of the other things I really hated was how the med student, like all other weekly guest stars, turned out to be yet another psycho killer. I mean, geez, he was making the crap for the good of everyone...and don't get me started on that fact that it was made from Green K like everything else in the show...:rolleyes:

I'm surprised that no one else has said this already (and if someone has, I must have missed it, sorry): has Clark completely forgotten about how he came back to life in Hidden? Is he forgetting that Jor-El can take-over Lionel if he needs to? After Jonathan told him about Lionel knowing his secret, Clark looked totally surprised and didn't even think about Jor-El. It's almost as if he forgot...

I'm not saying Jor-El's the bad guy doing this, I'm just saying that Jor-El must be influencing Lionel in some way, and Clark doesn't even seem to remember or consider this.

OutlawAngel

04-07-2006, 03:21 PM

Well it was way better than Hypnotic so that is a big plus. I didnt really like the first half but the 2nd half was awesome with Lex and his mother and Clark and Jonathan and Martha/Lionel/Clark.

Platinum9703

04-07-2006, 04:28 PM

Very average episode except for the Lex and Clark bit.

ms.c.

04-07-2006, 04:32 PM

I was expecting it to be pretty bad, but I liked it a lot. I didn't expect Clark and Lex to see their dead parents. Those scenes were great.

Loved the Chlex scene when Chloe saved Lex. Chloe was hilarious. She is so great.

KK did a good job playing strung out.

There were plot holes, but overall it was good.

jimmyolsenblues

04-07-2006, 04:35 PM

loved really loved this episode.

Clarkified

04-07-2006, 04:46 PM

This episode was like a breath of fresh air compared to the previous episodes. However, it still has its plotholes, ambiguities, contrivancies, etc that are very well explained by other posters (or maybe I'm really too lazy to write a review :lol: ).

I'd give it a 3.5 of 5.

Zathraz

04-09-2006, 02:16 AM

My very first post. So here goes.

Overall I thought this episode was pretty good.

I liked the Lex scenes when he showed how he will become the man we will all love to hate. The void scene with his mother and his acceptance that he will have to kill people that are in his way to accomplish his desires for power.

I liked the Clark scenes where he was finally starting to accept without prompting that he has to protect the whole planet he lives on. His searching out Milton Fine in Honduras as opposed to his normal plan of waiting till the problem comes to him in SV or Met.

I liked the scene with Jonathan and how they showed him comfortable and accepting of his own death. He was at peace with his life and only wanted to help Clark to become more then he is right now. He also offered a warning about information he has kept secret from his family. He let Clark make up his own mind about Jor-El and what he should do with his social life.

Martha and Lionel, well it’s a bit of a reach but we all like to see the MB back so I guess I will withhold judgment till we find out if she is really good enough at the game to play him.

Chloe, well at least she is getting air time in almost all episodes this season. They are writing her better then they did poor old Pete as a confidant and go to person.

As to things I did not like.

Lana … well I really have to agree with most people who post here and say that they do not know how to write for her character. This week they change her into a crack addict just for grins I guess. They seem to think that if she ever has three episodes in a row without a complete character change that people will become bored with her as a concept.

It seems to be written into the SV bible that Lana has to be not only tragic but also have constant trauma. I understand the need for the WB to have teen oriented angst, but come on, this is a show based on Superman. They should have had a real length of time when they were actually boyfriend – girlfriend. The actors have the chemistry for it but all we ever get is the same “Klanguish”.

The episodes always end with Lana having an “up in the loft tell me your secret” scene followed by either a lie or silent staring or both. The next episode begins like last episode never happened and Lana has another personal trauma and goes back to the loft and say’s “tell me your secret” ad nauseam. The only change of pace seems to be which guy and which location it takes place in. It’s almost as if the writers have a Lana version of clue that they play before they write the end of an episode. ex: “Jason” in the “Talon apartment” about his “Mother”. I guess that makes me one of the people that wishes that Reckoning ended at the halfway point. At least then the cycle would have been broken.

dfm82

04-09-2006, 11:57 AM

It was a very good episode, alot better than last week there's no doubts... i enjoyed to see that Lex and Clark were told by her parents how their future is going to be, Jonathan/Clark conversation was very powerful and gave me chils... i'm also curious what the hell is that virus in Honduras and why Fine went with the ship to there... the mistery surrounding Lionel is getting bigger and bigger each week, i wonder what are his plans since he seems to be playing everyone... can't wait for the final episodes of the season!

P.S.- After watching a 2nd time the episode i noticed that in the exact moment Clark told his mom that he had something important to tell her, Lionel shows up before Martha was expecting him... pretty weird coincidence ha? :confused:

angelfire east

04-09-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Summers
-I think Lana was very much shafted in this episode. Lex and Clark's "void" apperances was great, but we got nothing from Lana's parents. She deserved better than that. We deserved better than that. It could've been used as a way to move on for her. Her parents were so underutilized this episode. The makeup on KK was very well done I thought.

-I agree with Aqua. Martha's Senate arc is very more intriguing than Jonathan was.

Nitpicks:
-Lana was too easily recovered from the experience. She should've been having withdrawls.

I agreed, standigng thee with stupid smiles on their faces was waste. At least if they weren't going to tell her she needs to move on and be happy they should have told her she hurting herself and to stop.

Agreed. Martha seems to fit the part ten times more then JK ever did in my eyes.

Agreed.

Originally posted by MBCorp
Good observation about the comparisons between Clark and Lex's "voids". I've read some interesting speculation that the reason for that could be (besides the symbolism of it, of course) that Lillian is in a type of purgatory/hell (she did kill her baby after all), while Jonathan is in Heaven. I liked how creepy and surreal Lex's void was, while Clark's was so full of love and joy (well, except for JK's warning) and that JK encouraged Clark to leave while Lex's mom wanted him to stay with her (and little wonder!).

I second this! This Mionel plotline may be OOC for Martha but it's sure fascinating to watch.[/B}

I missed the sumboilism but that is really interesting.

I thrid that. It just seems so wrong that she'd even talk to himlet alone call him her firend and go to partys with him.

Originally posted by MBCorp
[B]And yay for proactive Clark, too. I was so happy that he seemed more interested in investigating Fine in this episode than in pining over Lana.

I'm really happy he's doing that too. It's sure a step up. I hope we see more of this.

Originally posted by dfm82
i'm also curious what the hell is that virus in Honduras and why Fine went with the ship to there...

P.S.- After watching a 2nd time the episode i noticed that in the exact moment Clark told his mom that he had something important to tell her, Lionel shows up before Martha was expecting him... pretty weird coincidence ha? :confused:

I think it has something to do with one of the stoneg was from there.

Bookwrm17

04-09-2006, 04:07 PM

I loved the "other side" scenes, Lex's mom really creeped me out, and the scene w/ Clark and Jonathan was awesome. I thought the whole 'Lana the junkie' part was a bit far-fetched, but it didn't bother me too much.

Another thing I loved: the Mionel scenes. Lionel is one of my favorite characters, so I like any scene with him in it, and that look he gave Clark after he says goodnight is just so cool.

Happy Random

04-09-2006, 05:10 PM

I thought it was pretty good. The deaths where a little on the gory side, but considering this was TW's first time directing, I thought it was a pretty good ep. :)

attitudejc

04-09-2006, 05:11 PM

this one wasn't toms first directing. thats next week.

angelfire east

04-09-2006, 08:35 PM

The Med students death was just nasty. Really gross, IOM the gorssest one on the show.

aqua

04-09-2006, 08:36 PM

I didn't think it was too nasty, I just felt bad for her because I liked her character.

Happy Random

04-09-2006, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by attitudejc
this one wasn't toms first directing. thats next week.

*sighs* I knew that. But I still think that it was pretty good. :D

GooN

04-10-2006, 03:23 PM

i thought that this was a good episode, one of the better "filler" episodes.

Relates alot to todays issues on the youth and drugs, and how easy it is to get caught up in all that ish. it was good to see clarks seeing johnathon, and the fact that mr.glover was in it was the cherry on top. all the storylines are developing nicely i reckon, its a good start after all that clark-lana saga, lets hope they keep it up.

i rate it 7.5/10

Snarky

04-10-2006, 06:05 PM

After the rather abrupt begining, the episode moved along pretty well. The characters didn't flow together as easily tonight but the writers did work hard at keeping a thread of continuity throughout. Clark's progression in Honduras was a nice follow-through from last week. Chloe revealing that Lionel was her source for the Dr. Fine tip to Clark was good.

I thought the Jonathan scene was contrived. It seemed like a cheap ploy to get Clark's character to hear what Jonathan has been telling him all along. It just didn't ring true for me. It was nice to see him again, it just sucked the way they brought him back.

I didn't like the way they portrayed the medical students. I certainly didn't like the way they killed off Lance. He could have been knocked out--Lana does know karate afterall:rolleyes: --instead of falling on the saw. Just unnecessary blood & guts in an 8pm show.

Definately not the worst episode, but not the best either. I really hope this is the final season before any further damage is done to one of my favorite American icons.

Hopefulsuicide

04-10-2006, 06:19 PM

one of the best episodes of the entire series. it was just amazing on so many levels. some killer lines, some amazing plot points.

first of all, i love that lana finally broke away from being the perfect little girl, she actually got a 'drug addiction'. i've been waiting for that for so long.

secondly i loved the scene with lex and his dead mother, i thought she was incredibly creepy.

the whole energy between clark and lionel is just explosive, i want more of it, more i say.

however, a few things i didnt like. firstly it was a blatant rip off of a movie i have seen where people die for a few seconds and then come back... i mean they really are copying things, its just wrong now.

secondly i have a phocia of chainsaws so the death of that guy really freaked me out, just not nice.

very good overall though

angelfire east

04-10-2006, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by aqua
I didn't think it was too nasty, I just felt bad for her because I liked her character.

I was talking about the male med student.

Mr. Wrong

04-11-2006, 08:44 AM

Jonathan definitely saved this episode from being a total Flatliners ripoff! Still, the writers managed to work just about everyone into this one which isn't easy to do in an hour long show. I just wish Clark would realize that quality of life surpasses quantity. J.K. expressed that to him quite clearly. So why would he push Lana to sink to such depths if he really loved her as he professed? I think this show needs to focus more on the super and less on the soap! Am I the only one out here wondering why a teenager with such super powers isn't spending most of his time exploring the scope of his abilities? Clark seems too wrapped up in his own little world. I am beginning to think that Chloe is the real superhero in this program. I realize that Clark Kent is supposed to be mild mannered but I thought that was part of disguising himself from being recognized as Superman. I think since the writers have basically been rewriting Superman history they would be better off dialing into the Superboy format.

Watching Smallville

04-11-2006, 09:47 AM

I have the same reaction to this episode as I had to the last one -- the good material was buried underneath a tiresome A-story. I was much more interested in the activity in Honduras, the mystery surrounding Lionel, and even Martha's Senate strategies than I was in the Dead Again business. Apparently the writers can't find a way to make dramatic statements about their characters without killing them off. Enough already.

Angry Lillian and Lex's glove was a great scene, but at this point, I'd prefer to watch Lex inching toward his murderous future in the context of the real world rather than hear Lillian tell me about it in the context of the spirit world. And if the powerful moments in Smallville are going to center around Jonathan giving Clark advice, then don't toss JS off the show.

I did enjoy the drama surrounding Lana, and the exploration of her loneliness and alienation. It was well placed in the chronology -- I think this was exactly the time to show us how desperate Lana feels on the inside. It gave me a new insight into her character and explained a lot for me. But I keep thinking they could have found a better way to do it than resorting to yet another green serum. And I didn't quite buy into Lana as an addict -- although I liked the nod to Nicodemus when Lana grabbed Lex's car keys.

I'm giving Void a 4 because it was a decent ep and advanced the story. But I hope they don't pull any more shortcuts out of the closet. I'd likd TPTB to show us the evolution of the characters -- not lecture us about it through metaphysical parents.

heavens_cry

04-11-2006, 01:05 PM

Well I still like this episode a hundered times better then the last one.. The last one just seemed like a filler..

Watching Smallville

04-11-2006, 03:40 PM

I'm about even on them. In Hypnotic we got a shiny new story line with Brainiac. For me that was worth the episode.

ron75upc

04-12-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Poetic Chaos
Definitely on the horrible side. Only good scene was the one with Pa Kent and I didn't even like his character when he was alive.

-Not the strongest acting.

-The super-speed might as well be turned into teleportation at this point.

-Lana is an idiot.

-It made absolutely no sense for whatever his name was to stop Lana from injecting herself. She would've died just the same like he wanted.

Question withdrawn. Sorry

attitudejc

04-12-2006, 05:40 PM

you might want to rethink that question because its against the rules! ( i would know because i have put an almost exact question and got warned.)

ron75upc

04-12-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by attitudejc
you might want to rethink that question because its against the rules! ( i would know because i have put an almost exact question and got warned.)

I did not mean it in a derogotory.."sp".. way. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I was just curious.

attitudejc

04-13-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by ron75upc
I did not mean it in a derogotory.."sp".. way. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I was just curious.

yeah, i know, mine wasn't either.

anyways, back on topic, one thing that made the episode even better was the make up. lana really did look.....well...you know...drugged.

meridian59gar

04-13-2006, 05:02 PM

Anyone know how many Smallville episodes rip their stories off from movies or other series? I mean, I've noticed it before, but this one was absolutely blatant. I watched Flatliners on Tuesday, then I watched it again on Thursday - except this time Tom Welling was in it!

But, honestly, that's not really a problem. I'm glad that they used it for something: the Jonathan and Clark scene was perfect. If I was a dead father, I know the foremost thing that would be on my mind if I saw my son again would be 'This guy killed me, knows your secret, and is moving in on your mom!' It also gave Clark the opportunity to really say goodbye, which he didn't get before.

I watch Smallville for the 'genius' storylines, not the FOTW storylines. This season's two genius storylines are Fine's Secret Intentions and Lionel's Secret Intentions. I eat those up. Plus, anything to do with Lex is usually wonderful. The FOTW storylines, on the other hand, can be mundane. I'd honestly like to see an episode where they remove the FOTW content and merely have Clark hanging out instead. Yeah, I mean it. I want to see Clark sitting around studying in the Talon. The characters in the show can come by, and we can see some real-world non-'fighting for my life' interactions. That would be great.

Sweetie

04-13-2006, 06:34 PM

I didn't like this episode.Well,every episode when Lana is in the center is waist of energy and time(my own opinion by the way).The only good thing about this episode was to see Johnathan Kent again.

I have a question:how come the needle was able to enter Clark's heart?That thing was supposed to broke or bend in the impact of Clark's skine(is he the young man of steal or not?).

jay dante

07-27-2006, 01:54 AM

Agreed. Any episode focusing on lana lang is a waste of time. Get over the dead parents already wow. She's more obsessed with the past then Lex. I so hoped that Lex would shoot her when she was stealing from him in the mansion.

TalkinMac

08-17-2006, 11:15 PM

I actually liked this episode, I thought that KK did a good job.
Her being that desperate was pretty unbelieveable and that whole student id hacking thing was pretty dumb.

I do not like the idea of Martha and Lionel.

high-c

08-17-2006, 11:23 PM

This one definitely grew on me the second time around. I thought it was okay the first time, but this time you can see all the things they were setting up for that happened up thru the finale.

I really enjoyed it this time and thought KK did a really nice job.

Dyanara

08-17-2006, 11:38 PM

I thought it was subpar, to much Lana not enough Clark. The girl is what 19 now shouldnt she no longer be so obsessed with her dead for 16years parents? I know loosing a parent is hard, but I feel she should have atleast moved on a little bit over the past decade and a half. It seems like the writers just pull out her parents when they are desperate for a plot. And I still dont get how Clark came back from the kryponite in the chest thing, I mean when he got shot with the Kryptonite bullet he was almost dead, yet this junk gets in his veins and he comes back from it. I know he explained it to Chloe but it went by so fast i didnt catch it. As for Marth and Lionel, whenever they come on the screen together I just turn the channel. Then again i tend to do that with anything about Martha Kent.

TW1977

08-18-2006, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by Sweetie
I didn't like this episode.Well,every episode when Lana is in the center is waist of energy and time(my own opinion by the way).The only good thing about this episode was to see Johnathan Kent again.

I have a question:how come the needle was able to enter Clark's heart?That thing was supposed to broke or bend in the impact of Clark's skine(is he the young man of steal or not?).

The needle didn't break because the Kryptonite in the death chemical weakened Clark, which allowed the needle to penetrate into his body.