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Nospam

03-30-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
"You're hypnotized Clark, that's why you're able to throw me"

Ah geez, give me a break. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Please tell me Lex isn't that freakin' stupid. :rolleyes:

Hey, at least give the writers some credit for trying to cover a plot hole before they dug it up. Baby steps, baby steps.

Welling Is Hot

03-30-2006, 08:14 PM

I'll say it again the episode was just lazy filler...

AnimeJoe

03-30-2006, 08:14 PM

Baby steps into oblivion :p

Summers

03-30-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
"You're hypnotized Clark, that's why you're able to throw me"

Ah geez, give me a break. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Please tell me Lex isn't that freakin' stupid. :rolleyes:

I thought the same thing. Man, they just make him dumber just for pure teases. They seriously can't delay this for another season.

shaula luthor

03-30-2006, 08:15 PM

Lex isn´t an idiot!

phoephoe

03-30-2006, 08:16 PM

Maybe he's just in denile

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 08:16 PM

I think Lex is that stupid. I mean geesh its happend in Transference and it has happend in Splinter and I almost want to think it happend another time too. Why does this never click with Lex that everytime something has happend Clark always just happens to get super strength. This might be more believable to me if Lex wasnt just asking Simone if she had discoverd anything else about Clark.

The Great Ymmij

03-30-2006, 08:17 PM

I agree with Nospam that it was to prevent all the rabid fans from complaining about how and why Lex doesn't question Clark's superhuman strength.

ferd

03-30-2006, 08:17 PM

Lex is smart, but he's sure written by some dumb people.

It's a sad day when I start to lose respect for Lex. :(

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
You had spicy spaghetti Clark, that's how you're able to shoot heat from your eyes!

*snort* Now that was good

Summers

03-30-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by shaula luthor
Lex isn´t an idiot!

He threw him across a room. This a man who knows something is up with Clark since S1. The writers made him look like an idiot. The most smartest, criminal mastermind is an idiot. To top it off he is being malipulated by Brainiac. Plus what he just did to Clana I seen middle schoolers do all the time by breaking up couples without the murderous, sleeze hypontizing.

katt12

03-30-2006, 08:20 PM

Ya know what I don't get? With all the weird stuff that's happened around Clark in Smallville and all of Lex's suspicions about him, when Superman arrives, how is it possible that Lex could not automatically know who he is?

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by shaula luthor
Lex isn´t an idiot!

Nope. he just plays one on tv.

:lol: just kidding.

Gothabilly13

03-30-2006, 08:22 PM

it was a shoddy cover i agree, most likely a last min cover. something like....Oh hell, he just threw lex, that's not gonna go unnoticed....how do we fill that? thus the crappy line and disservice to the most brilliant mind in the DC universe

**Gothabilly13 shakes head and goes in search of rum.......

Erok-El

03-30-2006, 08:24 PM

Lex is a Big Dumb Human!

Aloof

03-30-2006, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
You had spicy spaghetti Clark, that's how you're able to shoot heat from your eyes!

:lol:

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Erok-El
Lex is a Big Dumb Human!

maybe bald dumb human would fit Lex better?

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 08:32 PM

I actually immediately thought he said that so Clark wouldn't think it was odd that he wasn't suspicious about his strength. Lex obviously isn't stupid. I thought it was him trying to make sure Clark thought he was still oblivious to the fact that CLarks different. Which would be smart actually now that he is outwardly investigating him by sending simone into his life

God-Man

03-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Lex needs to find out about Clarks secret. It's looooooooooooooond overdue. H's not an idiot.

Gothabilly13

03-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I actually immediately thought he said that so Clark wouldn't think it was odd that he wasn't suspicious about his strength. Lex obviously isn't stupid. I thought it was him trying to make sure Clark thought he was still oblivious to the fact that CLarks different. Which would be smart actually now that he is outwardly investigating him by sending simone into his life

had not thought of it that way.....makes more sense that way really....guess i was just too stunned by the cheezy line :lol: but when you put it that way it makes more sense really it does

sstray72

03-30-2006, 08:35 PM

Nospam

03-30-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I actually immediately thought he said that so Clark wouldn't think it was odd that he wasn't suspicious about his strength. Lex obviously isn't stupid. I thought it was him trying to make sure Clark thought he was still oblivious to the fact that CLarks different. Which would be smart actually now that he is outwardly investigating him by sending simone into his life

Good point. That occured to me too. I was like, "Uh, Lex knows Clark is different."

It may indicate that at some point in the show, if not already, Lex will know his secret but not let on that he does.

amberdawn

03-30-2006, 08:37 PM

Lex was probably standing there thinking, "how is it that Chloe was able to knock Clark to the ground when he had me by the neck?" lol

MBCorp

03-30-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I actually immediately thought he said that so Clark wouldn't think it was odd that he wasn't suspicious about his strength. Lex obviously isn't stupid. I thought it was him trying to make sure Clark thought he was still oblivious to the fact that CLarks different. Which would be smart actually now that he is outwardly investigating him by sending simone into his life

I would have thought that...except every time in the past when I thought Lex had to know Clark's secret or at least one of his powers, it's turned out that he knows absolutely nothing. So I'm not too optimistic here...

KryptonStones

03-30-2006, 08:39 PM

I hope Lex faking his stupidity really is the case. Let's just hope, in reality, the writers will think of this. It will push their minds to the limits to conjure up such an idea.

AnimeJoe

03-30-2006, 08:43 PM

Given Lex's immediate reactions and questioning of how Clark did something unusual in the past, I don't believe for one second that the writers are having Lex play it cool, I think they really did write him as an idiot in this episode! :lol

myankskent

03-30-2006, 08:50 PM

thehenry89

03-30-2006, 08:52 PM

yeah i'm starting to think that whole "evil genius" thing is just a bid for his daddy's attention.

Nospam

03-30-2006, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by myankskent
A problem that I had with this episode was the fact that Simone didn't tell Lex about Clark's powers. Why wouldn't she do that? If she told Lex everything, he would let her be on her way and deal with Clark. Doesn't make sense that Simone lied to Lex when he was talking to her from the plane.

Yeah, that was a plot hole. She knew that Lex wanted information on Clark. Maybe she thought that if she told Lex nothing he would believe her and let it be, thus freeing her from her obligation. It's definitely a loose end.

AnimeJoe

03-30-2006, 08:54 PM

A problem that I had with this episode was the fact that Simone didn't tell Lex about Clark's powers. Why wouldn't she do that? If she told Lex everything, he would let her be on her way and deal with Clark. Doesn't make sense that Simone lied to Lex when he was talking to her from the plane.

Actually it made perfect sense that she didn't tell Lex the truth. Lex was a threat to her. And from what she knew about Clark, she was MUCH MUCH better off staying with him.

As for Lex letting her go on her merry way, I seriously doubt he'd do that. If she told him the truth then it's possible that he might've wanted her to hang around in order to control Clark... Without free will, Clark would do Lex's bidding with the help of Simone.

cotton candy girl

03-30-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
Nope. he just plays one on tv.

:lol: just kidding.

:lol: Good one.

JD_lover5943

03-30-2006, 09:19 PM

Well he already thinks there's something more to Clark...maybe Lex just said that to get Clark to think he doesn't know/think anything of it.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
Given Lex's immediate reactions and questioning of how Clark did something unusual in the past, I don't believe for one second that the writers are having Lex play it cool, I think they really did write him as an idiot in this episode! :lol

See my whole thing about Lex not knowing in the past was that he wasn't involved with the other ways Clark had been infected. I would think he'd know enough about simones special gem, seeing as how we know lex alwasy does his homework, to know that it doesnt give people super strength.

Shreas

03-30-2006, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by amberdawn
Lex was probably standing there thinking, "how is it that Chloe was able to knock Clark to the ground when he had me by the neck?" lol

Reference was made in Onyx, I believe, to the fact that the "dark half" of Lex does (or did) actually pick-up on Clark's weakness. If he sat down and thought about it, he would probably figure it out (perhaps he already has), but his "good side" would more than likely lead him to doubt himself.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by AnimeJoe
Actually it made perfect sense that she didn't tell Lex the truth. Lex was a threat to her. And from what she knew about Clark, she was MUCH MUCH better off staying with him.

As for Lex letting her go on her merry way, I seriously doubt he'd do that. If she told him the truth then it's possible that he might've wanted her to hang around in order to control Clark... Without free will, Clark would do Lex's bidding with the help of Simone.

yeh that definitely wasn't a plot whole. she knew exactly what she wanted to do with clark

Coyote

03-30-2006, 09:53 PM

If Lex didn't have a 5 year history of suspicions about Clark, the hypnosis explanation might be somewhat believable. Things were happening pretty fast, and under the circumstances it might have been hard for Lex to tell the difference between super strength and the human strength of a big strong farm boy mentally pumped up by hypnosis to the absolute max his body was capable of. Maybe when Lex later reviews the security camera footage and sees just how far and hard he was thrown he might get other ideas.

If I was Lex the thing I would be most curious about was the effect the kryptonite had on Clark.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Coyote
If Lex didn't have a 5 year history of suspicions about Clark, the hypnosis explanation might be somewhat believable. Things were happening pretty fast, and under the circumstances it might have been hard for Lex to tell the difference between super strength and the human strength of a big strong farm boy mentally pumped up by hypnosis to the absolute max his body was capable of. Maybe when Lex later reviews the security camera footage and sees just how far and hard he was thrown he might get other ideas.

If I was Lex the thing I would be most curious about was the effect the kryptonite had on Clark.

I considered this first before offering my "playing it cool" explanation, but then I thought he threw him way too far for Lex not to consider how he did it.
But you're right, the bigger hole they should have been plugging was Chloe magically being cable to drop him without touching him. I'm not sure if he saw the rock,s eeing as how he was on the floor, struggling to catch his breath

OutlawAngel

03-30-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by SlickBlonde
I actually immediately thought he said that so Clark wouldn't think it was odd that he wasn't suspicious about his strength. Lex obviously isn't stupid. I thought it was him trying to make sure Clark thought he was still oblivious to the fact that CLarks different. Which would be smart actually now that he is outwardly investigating him by sending simone into his life

Yah know that sure could be a possibility. Something about the way Michael deliverd that line was strange. It sounded too forced and I dont think Michael would of made such a sloppy slip unless he was supposed to.

SlickBlonde

03-30-2006, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by OutlawAngel
Yah know that sure could be a possibility. Something about the way Michael deliverd that line was strange. It sounded too forced and I dont think Michael would of made such a sloppy slip unless he was supposed to.

Yeh thats exactly why I got that feeling, I've never seen Michael deliver a line like that, it did sound forced

mallory

03-30-2006, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
"You're hypnotized Clark, that's why you're able to throw me"

Ah geez, give me a break. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Please tell me Lex isn't that freakin' stupid. :rolleyes:

Especially with all Lex' other suspicions and amazing experiences with Clark.

"A localized gravitational anomaly must be the reason you just leaped a half mile into the air, Clark."

Kryptonian Snake

03-30-2006, 10:59 PM

Indeed. Before the scene in the mansion I kept saying to myself: "Please let Lex put two and two together and figure out that Clark has powers." *Sigh* Why would he even assume it's a part of the hypnosis? That conclusion didn't really make sense to me.

KRAM-el

03-30-2006, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Kryptonian Snake
Indeed. Before the scene in the mansion I kept saying to myself: "Please let Lex put two and two together and figure out that Clark has powers." *Sigh* Why would he even assume it's a part of the hypnosis? That conclusion didn't really make sense to me.
Sense? Since when does this writing staff ever make sense? It's just another plot hole big enough to drive a Buick through! I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm AT LEAST grateful they chose IGNORANCE over another MINDWIPE... man, I've gotten WAY too easy to please! Can we get some REAL WRITERS in here, PLEASE??? :mad:

MaximRecoil

03-30-2006, 11:59 PM

We have all heard the story of the woman who lifts the car off her child...

What is it they say? Humans only use about 10% of their strenth potential? It is a built in defense mechanism to keep us from overexertion which would tear our muscles, joints and connective tissue to shreds if we used our strength to its full capacity for any length of time.

This is all pretty "common knowledge", regardless of how accurate it is in reality (i.e. the woman lifting the car may very well be an urban legend but it is still something that is commonly cited as fact, and most people have heard it before).

Lex may have his suspicions about Clark, but knowing something for a fact trumps suspicions, and he knew that Clark had been hypnotized. Unlocking the full potential of our strength would be a function of the mind. The natural drug known as adrenaline is well known to increase available strength, as well as certain controlled substances which are mind-altering drugs. And, what is hypnosis if not an altered state of mind? Drugs that can increase strength are obviously not increasing muscle mass, they are simply allowing more of what is already there to be accessed.

So, knowing that Clark was hypnotized, then that is the obvious explanation (based on the common knowledge that the mind can be altered to increase strength) for Clark's additional strength, with the added bonus of being able to be used as an argument in an effort to convince Clark that he had been hypnotized; i.e. "Clark you have been hynotized and here is the proof..."

To make it more believable, Clark should have acted like he'd pulled a few muscles after he was no longer under the hypnosis.

Vandal Savage

03-31-2006, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by katt12
Ya know what I don't get? With all the weird stuff that's happened around Clark in Smallville and all of Lex's suspicions about him, when Superman arrives, how is it possible that Lex could not automatically know who he is?

I've always assumed that in the future, Lex will have figured out that Clark Kent is Superman. He demonstrated in Onyx that he could quickly put all the pieces about Clark together, and since that evil Lex from Onyx emerges as the Lex of the future, it's not unbelievable to think that he'll figure everything out again.

However, I've always seen Lex Luthor as an "honorable villain," compared to most of Superman's other villains. It always seemed to me that even though Superman and Lex are enemies, each of them respects the other. Perhaps in the future, Lex will know that Clark is Superman, but he'll respect his "friendship" with Clark enough that he won't ruin Clark's life by exposing him as Superman, but all bets are off when he puts on the suit and becomes Superman.

It'd be an interesting twist, anyway.

Watching Smallville

03-31-2006, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by MBCorp
"You're hypnotized Clark, that's why you're able to throw me"

Ah geez, give me a break. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Please tell me Lex isn't that freakin' stupid. :rolleyes:
Lex isn't an idiot, but that line was idiotic. :lol:

Lex has plenty of evidence of Clark's strength, beginning with the Porsche crash. Then there's Transferrence, and Splinter, and probably other episodes I can't remember. Why they would have him say something like that -- beyond me. :rolleyes:

Fish1941

03-31-2006, 11:28 AM

Considering all of the supernatural happenings that have occurred in Smallville - which have affected not only Lana, Chloe, and Clark (in a way) - it's not surprising that Lex would come to this conclusion. I'm only surprised that many of you didn't consider this.

MarkAllan22

03-31-2006, 12:40 PM

Lex asks Simone if Clark has shown her any unique traits. She, of course, says no.

Then, Clark shows Lex an unique trait, but he attributes it to being hypnotized.

So why even ask Simone, or even hire her to find out about Clark's secret if he's just gonna think it's because he's hypnotized?

Lex was written as a bumbling idiot this episode.

angelfire east

03-31-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Fish1941
Considering all of the supernatural happenings that have occurred in Smallville - which have affected not only Lana, Chloe, and Clark (in a way) - it's not surprising that Lex would come to this conclusion. I'm only surprised that many of you didn't consider this.

Well if this was the first time this happen I would agree but Clark got superstrenght when something supernatural happens many times (Transference and Splinter).

Also there's been many times Lex has seen or thinks something's supernatural happing with Clark (The strenght he had to push Lex across the room in Nicodemus); The roof of Lex's car that has been ripped open (the Ploit). The destoried wall from Jitters. Not to mention all the other things that has happened; suddenly the krytp-vires cure is ready when it still had hours left to go (Sacre); Cuts and burises are suddenly gone when Lex looks at Clark (Devoted) etc. Also there's all the times Lex has ben saved or involved in someone being saved when the person is saved but no one saw it happen and Clark isn't around by involved in everything up intill that point (Bound, Lucy, Run, Sacred etc).

Also lets not forget Clark came back to life.

MBCorp

03-31-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by MarkAllan22
Lex asks Simone if Clark has shown her any unique traits. She, of course, says no.

Then, Clark shows Lex an unique trait, but he attributes it to being hypnotized.

So why even ask Simone, or even hire her to find out about Clark's secret if he's just gonna think it's because he's hypnotized?

Lex was written as a bumbling idiot this episode.

Exactly! That's why it makes no sense!

jaime,oburg

03-31-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by MBCorp
"You're hypnotized Clark, that's why you're able to throw me"

Ah geez, give me a break. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Please tell me Lex isn't that freakin' stupid. :rolleyes:

Aghhh! Just what I was thinking MBCorp. EverytimeClark does something extrodinary Lex is so quick to find a reason for it and then in the next scene it's "So do you know what it is Clark Kent is hiding?" For as many times Lex has had his a$$ handed to him by Clark this season, you'd think he would have a clue.

The only piece of mind I get from these lame explainations are, that at least they are attempting to explain what would other wise be just another frustrating plothole.
Then our posts would be complaining that Lex doesn't find anything wrong with being tossed across the room by Clark. What? They didn't offer any reason behind how Lex doesn't find anything wrong with Clark being able to do that. Less obscurity? Better continuity?:confused: :rolleyes:

DoN Migu-EL

03-31-2006, 01:18 PM

Yes, I too found that line to be very idiotic and funny at the same time.

clois1938

03-31-2006, 08:04 PM

yeah, this line made me laugh. Same with when he goes up to Brainiac and tells Mr Fine who Mr Fine is. The delivery was so similar. :lol:

supermanprime

03-31-2006, 08:15 PM

the writing of lex is becoming very disappointing lately. Lex is one the smartest villians in comics but what they are doing here is pretty bad. Lex realizes that clark is a freak of some kind but he then attributes it to something else. I have a feeling at the end of the series he will be mind wiped of his certain experiences with clark or something in order for supes to be able to live a dual life. Dont ask me how probably some kryptonion trick but mark my words he will find out clark secrets and then be mind wiped.

xrayvision

03-31-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by shaula luthor
Lex isn´t an idiot!

The longer you hang around Lana, the dumber you get. Pretty soon Lex & Lana will make their own version of Dumb and Dumberer (maybe a porn called Hard & Harderer).

bluegayle

04-01-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by katt12
Ya know what I don't get? With all the weird stuff that's happened around Clark in Smallville and all of Lex's suspicions about him, when Superman arrives, how is it possible that Lex could not automatically know who he is?

probably because Superman will be all about showing his power and threatening Lex to go straight or to expose him.

whereas Clark will be about, sorry, i dont know what you're talking about.

so a TV-world Lex will say, therefore they're not the same person after all. i'm glad i got that straightened out.

watcher4

04-01-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by DoN Migu-EL
Yes, I too found that line to be very idiotic and funny at the same time.

That is the same way that I felt when I heard the line!:confused: :lol:

j-kent

04-01-2006, 10:08 PM

Before you think the line is idiotic or Lex is, there is also another valid idea...

Maybe Lex said that because he was trying to justify why Clark could throw him across the room- his reasons for his unusual strength- IN FRONT OF CLARK. It makes sense that he may not want Clark to know that he does know...or coerce Clark about his abilities, so he says something like that....and we all know Clark's logic...if he actually would've responded he's probably fallen for it.

If this is the possible reason Lex said that then he's smart to hide his knowledge about the abilities from Clark...as anybody who has knowledge of Clark's secret is usually a threat.

Originally posted by katt12
Ya know what I don't get? With all the weird stuff that's happened around Clark in Smallville and all of Lex's suspicions about him, when Superman arrives, how is it possible that Lex could not automatically know who he is?

Well this Smallville mythos that's been created obviously has it's own agenda apart from the usual superman mythology. That is, Clark never met Lex until he arrived to Metropolis when he was older. In fact, I believe he first met with Lex Luthor as Superman.

Smallville has it's own agenda, and I'm sure it will all play out right...but having the all-powerful, all-knowing Lex in Smallville right where young Clark is using his abilities to save people doesn't help Clark keep under wraps one bit...

xrayvision

04-01-2006, 10:58 PM

GooN

04-02-2006, 05:44 AM

maybe its because he thought Simone wouldn't lie to him about Clark being normal when she did, or maybe its because he genuinly thought he had super-strength after being hypnotised.......either way it was stupid. Would have been better if Clark was stopped before he laid a hand on Lex......or Lex got knocked unconcious again somehow...cheddar cheese i know but at least it can be understood.

OutlawAngel

04-03-2006, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by supermanprime
the writing of lex is becoming very disappointing lately. Lex is one the smartest villians in comics but what they are doing here is pretty bad. Lex realizes that clark is a freak of some kind but he then attributes it to something else. I have a feeling at the end of the series he will be mind wiped of his certain experiences with clark or something in order for supes to be able to live a dual life. Dont ask me how probably some kryptonion trick but mark my words he will find out clark secrets and then be mind wiped.

They will probably have Lex get hit in the head with a piece of kryptonite or something.