I thought Smallville was about sups???

[stonechild]

Well I gave it one more shot tonight. Stupid to do that. Can anyone out there point to one single solitary thing in this ep. that had any thing/thread what so ever to do with sups??? Redeem the writing staff if you can.

[joeybw]

Its really getting to me.

Smallville is like a drug though and even though I haven't enjoyed it in a while, I will be watching it again next week..

[jimmyolsenblues]

The supporting cast has really taken over the writers ideas lately.
I guess now that Jonathan is dead, the writers don't know what to do with Clark.

[BoSoxJim]

wow, i can't beleive i'm sticking up for the writers in this case (AND THIS CASE ONLY).

however, smallville is not about superman. it's about clark's journey to becoming superman.

for evewryone that will say" clark is superman" i will counter with ...superman is a persona that clark eventually embraces. he is not superman now.

[joeybw]

Originally posted by jimmyolsenblues
The supporting cast has really taken over the writers ideas lately.
I guess now that Jonathan is dead, the writers don't know what to do with Clark.

Wasn't the whole idea of killing him to advance Clark's story?

[OutlawAngel]

Originally posted by BoSoxJim
wow, i can't beleive i'm sticking up for the writers in this case (AND THIS CASE ONLY).

however, smallville is not about superman. it's about clark's journey to becoming superman.

for evewryone that will say" clark is superman" i will counter with ...superman is a persona that clark eventually embraces. he is not superman now.

yeah I will agree to that.



But also killing off Jonathan is going to hurt the show. losing him to me has already taken away from the show. I think this show really did need all of them darn platitudes.

[Happy Random]

One word: CLOIS!!!! And also, I think that Clark and Lana moved apart a little bit more. And Clark got a chance to be there for Chloe, instead of her playing Dr. Phil for him all the time. :)

[myankskent]

The problem is once everyone saw the fortress of solitude go up back in september, there are people who think that Clark will just slap on the suit and become superman. Sorry, that's not supposed to happen. He trains in the fortress for 12 years before he ultimately becomes superman. Now this show will not follow through on the 12 years, but they are going to make it a few. Down the road this season you will probably see more JorEl/Clark interaction to set up season 6. If you want a superman show, then hope for a metropolis spinoff show, but smallville is not superman and just because a huge palace of ice is created doesn't mean that Clark will become superman anytime soon.

[SVSpector]

It did advance the Clarks's story.......Clark did his own research to find the killer...thats a big step.....gotta admit it. I found the episode different and I liked it.

[stonechild]

Yes agree he is not sups now, but again tell me what if anything was tonight's show about that advanced him towards the suit. Smallville I thought was about that journey and I saw no traveling to that end tonight. sorry.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by stonechild
Yes agree he is not sups now, but again tell me what if anything was tonight's show about that advanced him towards the suit. Smallville I thought was about that journey and I saw no traveling to that end tonight. sorry.

And I'm telling you that you are not going to see that in every episode. There are still 8 more episodes left this season so I'm sure we will see more superman type stuff out of clark before this season ends. This was more a show about Chloe's character than Clark's, it ended on Chloe and her mother, not on Clark. They are trying to make episodes centering around different people and not just Clark. I admit, this wasn't a great episode and I probably could've done without it. I am not a huge Chloe fan but this was her episode. As long as she doesn't get 4 more this season then I will be happy.

[Happy Random]

Well, he was at the Daily Planet (on his own!! I seriously was jumping for joy). He and Lois got some (excellent) screen time together, and rather than going to Chloe for advice, he was the one that suggested that she go see her mom, and he and Lois where the ones that helped her when her other friends (*coughLANAcough*) thought that she was nuts and belonged in Belle Reeve. I would say that he definatly made progress this episode. :)

[stonechild]

I am a huge Chole fan and her acting was superb, but again what seam did this put in the mythos of boy to man....maybe it was so subtle I missed it, but a program like Smallville does not need more of the 1st or second season fillers.....

[myankskent]

Originally posted by Happy Random
Well, he was at the Daily Planet (on his own!! I seriously was jumping for joy). He and Lois got some (excellent) screen time together, and rather than going to Chloe for advice, he was the one that suggested that she go see her mom, and he and Lois where the ones that helped her when her other friends (*coughLANAcough*) thought that she was nuts and belonged in Belle Reeve. I would say that he definatly made progress this episode. :)

Since you mentioned the daily planet, to change the subject for a minute, they really need to design some new shots of the exterior of the daily planet. They have two shots that they have used for such a long time now, probably since season 2 or 3, the one where you see the moon and then a close up of the daily planet, originally used in the premier of season 3 before we saw bad clark walking down the streets of metropolis, and the shot where you see a helicopter diving down through the streets with the daily planet building behind it. Both were used this episode as well as many others this season.

[S0n0fKrypT0n007]

Originally posted by myankskent
The problem is once everyone saw the fortress of solitude go up back in september, there are people who think that Clark will just slap on the suit and become superman. Sorry, that's not supposed to happen. He trains in the fortress for 12 years before he ultimately becomes superman.
Umm... dot dot dot. That's not how he becomes Superman. He becomes Superman when he moves to Metropolis. He was Superboy as a small child, then (here comes the alternate storylines) 1. goes and travels the world, just enriches his mind, then finally decides on his course of action
2. goes to college to become a reporter at the Daily Planet and dons the Superman name.
3. Never becomes Superboy, just travels the world then becomes Superman without much knowledge of his genealogy or origins then finds out later.

Other than something along those lines, could you please let me know which comics he trains for 12 years in? jw.. haven't read those before :p

[Happy Random]

That is actually the Christopher Reeve movies. It might be in the comics somewhere, but I don't know. :)

[myankskent]

Originally posted by S0n0fKrypT0n007
Umm... dot dot dot. That's not how he becomes Superman. He becomes Superman when he moves to Metropolis. He was Superboy as a small child, then (here comes the alternate storylines) 1. goes and travels the world, just enriches his mind, then finally decides on his course of action
2. goes to college to become a reporter at the Daily Planet and dons the Superman name.
3. Never becomes Superboy, just travels the world then becomes Superman without much knowledge of his genealogy or origins then finds out later.

Other than something along those lines, could you please let me know which comics he trains for 12 years in? jw.. haven't read those before :p

Well I know for sure it is mentioned in the superman movies and I just assumed it was taken from the comics. Regardless, it's not going to be a fast process and because it is a tv show, it has to take a long time in order for Clark to become superman. You are seeing flashes of him taking that kind of responsibility but it's never consistent. The Zod storyline might be something that will move him in the right direction. Clark needs to be put in some very tough situations. He seems to handle his opponents with ease all of the time. Maybe Brainiac or Zod's disciples will finally beat down Clark a bit and give him a challenge. If Clark just keeps beating guys up that are in his way, he will never choose to be superman because he will feel that he can take care of situations as they come rather than preparing for them.

[MuchaLana]

who the f is sups????:p

[greggbray]

In Superman: The Movie Clark trained in the FOS for a decade and change (which is kind of silly). In the comics (especially in the recent comics) he travels the world, matures, and grows into Superman. This seems to be what Smallville is going for, so I hope there's no 12 year hiatus in the FOS. It's been done.

As for this particular episode: Meh. It would have been a fun Halloween episode (FAR better than thirst) but as the 14th episode? Felt out of place. A wheel-spinner. Filler. Not much else.

[myankskent]

Originally posted by greggbray
In Superman: The Movie Clark trained in the FOS for a decade and change (which is kind of silly). In the comics (especially in the recent comics) he travels the world, matures, and grows into Superman. This seems to be what Smallville is going for, so I hope there's no 12 year hiatus in the FOS. It's been done.

As for this particular episode: Meh. It would have been a fun Halloween episode (FAR better than thirst) but as the 14th episode? Felt out of place. A wheel-spinner. Filler. Not much else.

Well Smallville is totally different from the movie and the comics to begin with because Clark never refuses to accept his destiny. In this version of Superman, Clark doesn't like JorEl and all he wants to do is live like a normal human being. So perhaps what everyone is disappointed in is the fact that Clark doesn't want to accept his destiny. Too late to change that now, it is what it is. I also thing that Jonathan's death will probably have bigger meaning down the road when there are more threats from Zod and Brainiac. When he talks to JorEl again, I have a feeling that we are going to see a whole new type of conversation between them and that is probably when Clark will show more Superman qualities, enough at least to satisfy people for this season.

[MidgardDragon]

Let's see, what in Smallville is about Superman you ask? Alright, the main character, Clark Kent, is the person who will one day don the red cape and BE Superman. The show has Kryptonite, Superman's greatest weakness. The show has Lex Luthor, Superman's greatest enemy. The show has Lois Lane, Superman's greatest love. Clark saves lives on a daily basis, just as he will do one day as Superman. Clark is conflicted by keeping his true identity/what he can do a secret, and sharing it with who he believes is he true love (Lana), just as he will one day do with Lois as Superman.

Geez, it's basically a copy of Superman: The Movie, and Lois and Clark, combined together, dropped into high school, with a shot of Tequila added. How is it not about Superman? (Technically, it's about Clark Kent growing to be Superman, but I'll let that one slide in order to make my point.)

[I want Lana Lang]

Originally posted by Happy Random
Well, he was at the Daily Planet (on his own!!

Yeah what was up with that? Doesnt he have a computer of his own? Or does he REALLY need to run all the way to Metropolis, walk into the Planet's office and jus go on a computer and do his thing. No questions asked lol.

[Mitternacht]

I believe he was using Chloe's computer. He went into the history and found the orderlie's name and address that way.

[Dannyblue1]

Two things.

One, a show doesn't always have to be about the lead. In fact, I find shows more interesting when the other characters get some development, too. For example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was about Buffy. Yet all of the characters "starred" in episodes centered around them. That's one of the things fans loved about that show. Having well-developed characters beyond the lead actually tends to make the lead stronger. It may seem strange how that works out, but there ya go.

Secondly, is there now some rule that says every episode must contain some obvious bit of Superman-ish lore to signify Clark is moving towards becoming Superman? Because, honestly, I don't need it, and don't think it's necessary. Seeing Clark develop as a person through how he deals with others is seeing him develop into Superman. I don't need some anvil to fall out of the sky and hit me on the head every ten minutes.

[RedQ]

remark excluding the Buffy reference. :D :lol:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51403
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51433
You all (the ppl that didn't like the eps) noticed it only because some aren't Fans of Chloe.
If it's placed in a diffrent order you all might have appreciated it.