Chloe and Lois' Torture Scene

[Lana_Lang #1]

What did you think?

Was it too graphic? Too realistic?

Did it ring false? Were you discontent?

What did you think of both the acting of Erica Durance and Allison Mack?

[superhippie2000]

wow that was awsome cant believe that crazy guy made them do all that stuff. never thought of lois and chloe in that way before. this stuff is going to get rated TV MA at some point.

i dont know it will probably be really good. maybe it will be like something form the movie SAW or Hostle.

[RedPhoenix23]

Eek! Not Hostle! That movie was horrible!

[superhippie2000]

i didnt see hostle just asumming from what i saw from comercials

[photogirl]

supershippie2000, did you already see the episode?

[liny06]

well, i sure hope nobody's eyeball falls out due to erm....nevermind. hostel, yech! :lol:

[superhippie2000]

Originally posted by photogirl
supershippie2000, did you already see the episode?

no im just saying from the trailers it could look like one of those movies

[RedPhoenix23]

Originally posted by liny06
well, i sure hope nobody's eyeball falls out due to erm....nevermind. hostel, yech! :lol:

Oh yuck! I seriously doubt Smallville would ever dream of going THAT far! That was a pretty sick scene BTW.

[attitudejc]

Originally posted by RedPhoenix23
Eek! Not Hostle! That movie was horrible!

i saw hostel! it was really horrible. but i felt good that i actually watched it cause i never watch scary movies. sorry, off topic.

[Lana_Lang #1]

God damn! That was freaking me out even the second time around!

[shy175223]

Lois had an awsome throw though with that knife before that pyscho orderlie knock her down.

[chole_fan]

I was a freaky scene, but not as bad as it could have been (this is primetime TV afterall). But, the knife throw was definately the highlight. Very well done!

[flcn6]

Isnt it nice how Lois can throw the knife and it will stab hilt deep into a person? The General must have been training her in Kung-fu, and knife throwing since she came out of the woom :p

[OutlawAngel]

Haha I tohught that was awesome in a predictable way but in a good predictable way because when the guy gave Lois the knife I thought to myself 'Now wouldnt it just be like the real Lois to stab the guy with the knife'

Yay for them making Lois like......Lois

Yay!!!

[RJK62284]

I thought that the acting in that scene was teriffic

It really wasn't graphic at all

Overall I thought it was one of the better scenes in the episode

[amberdawn]

The acting was good, but I wasnt impressed with the scene.

[mikemike]

i thought it was blatantly unecessary. this entire episode was not edited well and i think most of its essence ended up on the chopping block.

[superspider02]

yea not to graphic been was palyed out well and u had intense feelings. but not to bad. and yea the knife throw was a great part.

[tec611]

and why was he trying to get Lois to slice herself? he got his kicks from getting mentally ill or sick girls to do that, Lois was neither. And why would she do it? He was going to kill Chloe anyways, he just went on a 10 min rant about how he was going to 'spill her secrets and take the pain away'. Did he just think that Lois sitting 3 feet away didnt catch that? That is the worst plan ever.


and how did Clark get knocked out by an orderly for 3 minutes from a super small kryptonite rock (when he has been submerged in liquid kryptonite, trapped in a room with dozens or krypto rocks etc. and it didnt paralyze him as much as this thing. It was pratically the same size as Lana's necklace!!) and crazy over there gets his heart plunged with a steak knife and keeps on going like the friggin energizer rabbit? ookkaayy....

[bkzcici]

That scene makes me feel that Lois and Chloe are actually close.

[tec611]

did you miss all of season 4? with the Lois coming to smallville to solve Chloe's murder, the constant hugging, the letting each other crash at their places, Lois planning Chloe a birthday party...?

[smallvillerocks45]

This scene made me realize how out of their minds some serial killers really are (as if I didn't watch enough City Confidential and American Justice...). But seriously, how could he give a girl a sharp knife and then turn his back to her? Did he honestly think he was that intimidating - so much so that Lois would slit her wrist as opposed to doing what she really did (which was throw the knife at him)? Apparently so...I was just glad she didn't do it...that scene showed me that there's a lot more to Lois than I thought. Sometimes it seems like Lois just gets lucky (i.e. Exposed when she attacked the guys in the helicopter, or Fanatic when she stopped the crazed Lex fan), this time I thought she used her brains. Way to go Lois!

[attitudejc]

whats weird is im am the exact opposite. i didn't really like the throwing part of the scene, and i liked the rest. i understood everything that was happening too. and most people thought the episode was "okay" or "terrible" while i thought it was great! it really told alot about chloe and what she goes through. i loved it.

[donellacandra]

i thought the scene was awesome. i love the way at first lois was all kiss my a**, but then the look when he said he was going to kill chloe if she didn't do it. the way she was shaking and the fear for chloe/anger. also, she did look like she accepted that maybe this was one situation she couldn't control which is a big thing for someone like lois to accept. i really did think she was going to slit her wrists, and may have if she hadn't seen her one opportunity out of it (by throwing the knife). you could see just how much chloe meant to her at that point. i think erica needs more credit for this scene if for nothing else. at least for me, this is the first time i have seen evidence of her acting ability that required anything beyond being hot or sarcastic (ok, so she also showed a lot of loyalty to the kents during the campaign, but there weren't a lot of those scenes). i just hope that she gets more chances to play this kind of lois, i like here much better when she seems to let her guard down. she is still strong and funny, but more of a 3-d character this way. or maybe i was just reading too much into it :)

[Supercanuck]

At one time I thought the killer was gonna pull a Hanibal there for a moment like saying,
"Well hello, Chloe..."

If that would have happen I think my skin would have crawled. I don't know for any other members here, but for me this was one of those times I actually said, "Come on, Kent! Get your butt over there before it's too late."

The scene was indeed dark

[Satch]

Originally posted by smallvillerocks45
But seriously, how could he give a girl a sharp knife and then turn his back to her? Did he honestly think he was that intimidating - so much so that Lois would slit her wrist as opposed to doing what she really did (which was throw the knife at him)?

I was wondering why Lois didn't just cut herself loose with the knife and kit the guys behind. We know she can fight so why throw away the knife? I think she would have had enough time to get free and save Chloe!:p

[Watching Smallville]

Another turn-your-back-on-the-hero moment, similar to what happened in Arrival when the two Kryptonians turned their back on Clark. SV writers have a tendency to write themselves into a corners like this for the sake of suspense, and then the only way they can get themselves out is by having the villain do something really stupid.

Not that villains don't do stupid things. I can't help but think about the guy who tried to rob a bank by wearing a bag over head. One problem -- he forgot to cut eye holes in the bag. True story. Unfortunately, TV villains can't afford to be as lame as some real-life ones. It just comes off as unbelievable.

There were a lot of these moments in Tomb. Why didn't Lois lock the door at the Talon? Why didn't she just cut herself loose -- as Satch suggested above. That would have made more sense, although throwing the knife was very dramatic and a nice character highlight for Lois. Why didn't Chloe just keep wailing on the guy when she had the chance rather than answer Lois's call for help? Then call the police.

When there are this many loose ends in one episode (and there are more -- see thread "A whole bucket of plot holes"), the writing team needs a refresher.

[smallvillerocks45]

Those are some good points Watching_Smallville and Satch, there were a lot of things that could have happened differently. I guess, sometimes, people just aren't logical nor do they think of all the possibile actions they can make in certain situations like these. I hope none of us ever have to.

[attitudejc]

i really like how Chloe/Gretchan reacted such as when he grabbed the braclet. you could tell that they (Chloe/Gretchan)knew what was about to happen. but one part that i didn't get was when Chloe/Gretchan said "let them go". i didn't get it. can someone explain?

[razmyster]

In reply to your question ATTITUDEJC It was actually Gretchan who said "let them go", meaning let CHLOE and LOIS go. If you recall she is in possesion of Chloe's body and repressing chloe's spirit/soul whatever you wanna call it, so when she says "THEM" she means Chloe and Lois. I hope that clears it up for ya!!

i found it brilliant. Lois ArsWhooping, parden my french, and saving the day!!!!!!!!! hurray for LOIS!!!!!

[JerryKing]

"Torture"? Attempt to force a victim to commit suicide by strong persuasion does not constitute torture...

"Graphic"? Fulci's "closeup on the razor" is graphic. The dull and boring cellar sequence in "Tomb" was, if anything, ludicrous, particularly courtesy of the "knife time"... (Now THAT is original - nobody can make an accusation of stealing the "bullet time" created by Woo et al., when there are no bullets in the scene!)

If the designers actually wanted to add any actual torture, they needed look no further than at some of the merry exploits of Gary Heidnik, since they already appear to have stolen some of his persona for the episode's "serial orderly" character. Of course, this is "Smallville", not a Roth flick... although, if Smallville's quality continues to deteriorate so quickly, it may soon find itself digging the hole in the bottom to answer Roth's knocking from beneath.

[CallMeClark]

I loved it. But I would have liked it to have been a bit longer. I loved how Lois threw the knife (that special effect kicked arse!) and then he kicked her onto the floor. I was hoping for a bit more intensity but it was still good.

[RedQ]

the doctor about mom.Originally posted by Satch
I was wondering why Lois didn't just cut herself loose with the knife and kit the guys behind. We know she can fight so why throw away the knife? I think she would have had enough time to get free and save Chloe!:p It's counter-intuitive yet it works out better when they did what they did.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1861584#post1861584
There was also a shot where the FotW was walking away and Chloe's crying wasn't in sync with her acting.
GREAT Editing but Bad continuity.

YES the Killer is the TRUE FotW. Hell of a lot worse than any previous FotW.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1860604#post1860604
Yes but still wanting to watch it even though it's predictable is a sign of GREAT writing.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1860832#post1860832
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1860846#post1860846
Yeah, that was my problem also Chloe could have at least thrown the bracelet away. Unles they expect us to assume that it's understood and didn't need to show that shot to cut for time.