Lois Not w/ Clark in Alternate Future!?

[The Great Ymmij]

I know Lex's alternate future might not be what would have really happened if he chose that path, but it would've been close to it. I just wanted to know why Clark was with Chloe in this future and not with Lois. Yeah, Clark won't get Lana since Lex had her, but Lois was going to be his wife anyways. I guess this episode just gave a glimpse to all the Chlark fans of Clark and Chloe finally being together.
Anyways, I loved this episode!!!

[vyperman7]

It is the future seen through Lex's eyes. Since he knows that Chloe and Clark always spend a lot of time together, it would only make sense for Lex to see them as a couple. It was not the actual future playing out.

[batfinx]

I know Lex's alternate future might not be what would have really happened if he chose that path, but it would've been close to it. I just wanted to know why Clark was with Chloe in this future and not with Lois. Yeah, Clark won't get Lana since Lex had her, but Lois was going to be his wife anyways. I guess this episode just gave a glimpse to all the Chlark fans of Clark and Chloe finally being together.

Because it was Lex's dream, not a possible alternate future. He sees Clark and Chloe as friends even in his dream. Even if it was an alternate future, it would be the same, because Clark and Chloe are shown as good friends, but not a romantic couple. It's as if Clark gave up on the idea of ever having a romantic relationship, even with Lana, or at least he wasn't prepared to give Lana what Lex was prepared to give her in terms of commitment or perhaps children.

And it doesn't make sense as an alternate future because it all seemed to start with Lex conceding the senate race to Jonathan and disappointing Lionel when in reality Lionel has been opposed to Lex running for the senate from the beginning. Besides, if it really was a possible future and Lex knows what's going to happen, all he'd have to do in the real future is take Lana to Metropolis earlier that day and have her give birth there in the first place where they can give her the proper emergency care. He also is friends with a senator who could have helped him out. There were a lot of possibilities Lex would have explored if it was a real possible future where he could be happy with Lana rather than a dream world where he couldn't change the outcome.

[Laguine]

It's 7 years later. Clark is suppose to be around 25 years old. This is to young for a Clark / Lois relation.

[Dannyblue1]

I don't think Lex was just dreaming. I think he saw an actual alternate future because, in it, Clark is working at the DP. Well, right now, Lex has no real reason to believe Clark will end up working at the DP, or even becoming a reporter at all. So, why would his subconscious put Clark in that position? So, I think it was an alternate future.

And, if you believe some of the theories, it's a future that will continue to exist and run it's course in an alternate dimension.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I don't think Lex was just dreaming. I think he saw an actual alternate future because, in it, Clark is working at the DP. Well, right now, Lex has no real reason to believe Clark will end up working at the DP, or even becoming a reporter at all. So, why would his subconscious put Clark in that position? So, I think it was an alternate future.

And, if you believe some of the theories, it's a future that will continue to exist and run it's course in an alternate dimension. Because Clark is always snooping around and getting into Lex's affairs. It makes sense that he'd lump him in with the reporters who all do exactly the same.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by sirconical
Because Clark is always snooping around and getting into Lex's affairs. It makes sense that he'd lump him in with the reporters who all do exactly the same.

I don't think so. There's a huge stretch from snooping around in your friends business to working as a reporter at one of the world's major newspapers.

I think the writers had Clark working at the DP in the future exactly so we'd know it was actually alternate future and not just a dream. If they wanted it to just be a dream, they could easily have had Clark doing something else, something present Lex has more reason to think Clark would choose as a career.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by The Great Ymmij
Lois Not w/ Clark in Alternate Future!?

Clark & Lois only meet last year, and their not lovers yet it. not to mention Lex has never seen them together as much as Clark has been with Chloe.

I missed Lois in this episode, but I understand her reason for not being their.

[FlashFan]

They never did call Chloe by name, so maybe he was with 'Lois' :)

[k18]

They never stated that Clark and Chloe were in an actual romantic relationship, either. For all we know, they could still be friends just picking a Christmas tree together. And I know Chloe was writing a book, but did they mention that she was still working at DP as a reporter or is she just an author now? Maybe that is some sort of foreshadowing to her future career and why we never see her at DP with Clark and Lois.

[livin73]

I also, at first, thought that they should have had Clark with Lois. But, when I thought about it, I realized that this is Lex's dream and he probably wouldn't be putting them two together in his mind, yet. It made sense to see Clark and Chloe hanging out. And if I remember correctly, it never did say they were actually in a relationship.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I don't think Lex was just dreaming. I think he saw an actual alternate future because, in it, Clark is working at the DP. Well, right now, Lex has no real reason to believe Clark will end up working at the DP, or even becoming a reporter at all. So, why would his subconscious put Clark in that position? So, I think it was an alternate future.

And, if you believe some of the theories, it's a future that will continue to exist and run it's course in an alternate dimension.


Maybe because Lex knows Clark worked for the Torch in high school? Plus Clark is always in people's business, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch ;)

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
Maybe because Lex knows Clark worked for the Torch in high school? Plus Clark is always in people's business, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch ;)

Nope, doesn't fly. (No pun intended.) Yes, Clark worked at the school newspaper. But he wasn't dedicated to it. It didn't come off as a real ambition of his. And ambition is something you definately need to become a reporter, especially at a place like the DP. "Reporter" just isn't a job people tend to fall into. You have to want it, and go after it. And, as of now, there's no indication Clark wants a career in journalism. Only the audience knows that's where he will end up. The other characters (including Lex) have no clue. I bet Chloe would even be surprised to know what Clark would end up doing for a living.

Also, being in people's business does not equate with becoming a reporter. It equates with being a nosy busybody...which you can be without wanting to become a journalist.

[hanemg]

And it doesn't make sense as an alternate future because it all seemed to start with Lex conceding the senate race to Jonathan and disappointing Lionel when in reality Lionel has been opposed to Lex running for the senate from the beginning.
I noticed that and thought it was strange too.
They never stated that Clark and Chloe were in an actual romantic relationship, either. For all we know, they could still be friends just picking a Christmas tree together. And I know Chloe was writing a book, but did they mention that she was still working at DP as a reporter or is she just an author now? Maybe that is some sort of foreshadowing to her future career and why we never see her at DP with Clark and Lois.
In fact, if I’m not mistaken when Clark and Chloe were at the Christmas tree place Clark said to Chloe to come on and they would get “your” tree not “our” tree and during the conversation with Lex he stated that he was “not ready then and might not ever be” which pretty much spelled out that he wasn’t with anyone romantically at that point.

[loistickyfingerz]

I came to believe that this wasn't really a glimpse of the actual future so much as just a dream of Lex's.

Of course, it would have been better and more viable if it had been a true glimpse of the future, but I just don't think it was because these character's futures are what we know so well. And yes, there is the variable that Lex does not become a supervillian because of his choices, but even that as a given would not take away from Clark being in love with Lois Lane.

For this series, true, ED as Lois can't be in every episode, but I just can't buy a realistic future where Clark and Chloe's co-worker, and Chloe's cousin, is not even mentioned or hinted at.

They had a perfect chance to hint at it when Clark and Lex had that conversation in which it's quite obvious that Clark got over Lana a long time ago. Ok, great, but given that he's already at the DP and getting a promotion, he's in love with Lois Lane. And when he answered Lex's question about why he never "went for it", it was the perfect opportunity to hint at another important LL in his life.

I was slightly disappointed that if they left this part out, they left Clark a single and happy guy still buddying around with Chloe. With the omission of Lois, they could have at least in Lex's dream hinted at a Clark and Chloe relationship.

[michaelcox]

I thought this was suppose to be an "alternate future" also. If so, all the major characters, with the exception of Lois, were shown. Someone is suppose to die in the 100th episode. Since Lex decided to follow his "dark" side, does that mean that somehow he will be resposible?

[All about Clark]

Since I see this as Lex's dream and not an alternative future, his mind had to create a reason for Clark and Lana not together which is why I think his mind came up with Clark and Chloe working together at the DP. Plus he does believe Clark is different so his mind used that to form a separation between Clark and Lana.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by All about Clark
Since I see this as Lex's dream and not an alternative future, his mind had to create a reason for Clark and Lana not together which is why I think his mind came up with Clark and Chloe working together at the DP. Plus he does believe Clark is different so his mind used that to form a separation between Clark and Lana.

Why would Clark working at the DP and working with Chloe be the reason he and Lana wouldn't be together? Chloe and Clark are working together pretty closely now, and he and Lana are together.

If Lex's subconscious was just trying to seperate the Clana, why not send Clark to another city/state/country, and have him in town this ep for a visit?

[Watching Smallville]

Because he likes Clark, wants to be Clark, wants Clark's respect. Clark is a big part of Lex's identity.

[adabama]

Originally posted by Laguine
It's 7 years later. Clark is suppose to be around 25 years old. This is to young for a Clark / Lois relation.

I agree, if it is the actual future, and not just a dream, then Clark just became a reporter, as he told Lex. So in all the stories they work together for a while before he falls in love with her, and even longer before she falls in love with him.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
Because he likes Clark, wants to be Clark, wants Clark's respect. Clark is a big part of Lex's identity.

I still don't get what that has to do with Clark working at the DP. Lex could have had Vision!Clark doing anything else and the story woulda been the same.

[Aloof]

Okay, then what explains the Deja Vu I have? For example, I may dream about having a pop quiz, and then the next day I do without previous knowledge! Or when someone says something, I seem to recall it from somewhere else.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Aloof
Okay, then what explains the Deja Vu I have? For example, I may dream about having a pop quiz, and then the next day I do without previous knowledge! Or when someone says something, I seem to recall it from somewhere else.

I don't quite get the point you're making.

[wallyK]

It makes more sense to view this as a dream rather than an alternate future. Lex does not show any real foresight in his dream. Lex does need foresight to guess that Clark might work at the DP someday. If you are Lex and Clark is in your dream, your either going to have him as a journalist or a farmer. Clark is also friends with Chloe, so having Clark be at the DP is a reasonable guess for Lex to make. This does not prove it's not an alternate future, but the case for it being an alternate future is pretty weak, in my opinion.

The dream is really wrong when it comes to Lionel having money and power. Lionel currently does not have money or power. Lex has Luthercorp. However, in Lex's mind, Lionel symbolizes the choice of putting money and power ahead of anything else.

The bit about Clark being a reporter at the DP is really meant as a shoutout to the viewers.

[VisionGirl]

I got the impression that Clark was ALONE - because he talks to Lex about never being able to commit like that.

Also, Mack said in that Lexmas interview that Chloe was single in the future.

[Aloof]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I don't quite get the point you're making.

It's fairly easy to understand. You may dream about something, and then see it the next day, or minutes from now, maybe even years from now.

Remember in "Bound" Lana had that dream about Genevieve? And then she met her.

[SteveS]

When one does a version of "A Christmas Carol", then it is taken as an alternate reality, not a dream.

Lex knows that Lois moved into Clark's bedroom and lived there for what, a year? Lex knows Lois' skills as a muffin peddling college drop-out...maybe Smallville's Lois has no future...

Chloe and Clark shopping for a Christmas, 'her' tree. Fine, she celebrates Christmas in a way Clark doesn't. It is fairly clear they are a couple and what Clark told Lex was that Clark was not ready for the committment of marriage (in essence), something that Lana wanted...easy to extrapolate that Clark and Chloe have something going on that is less than marriage.

Woodward & Bernstein are reporters, journalists, authors, easy enough to have Chloe write a book while being the above also and do it while working at the Daily Planet.

The reason the Daily Planet is chosen is not an accident either on the part of Lex's subconcious or of the writers. Neither is the fact that the current Lois was nowhere on the radar screen. (IMOP)

[stedfast]

My 2 cents:

I think it was supposed to be a glimpse at an ACTUAL future if he surrendered Luthorcorp and walked away.

Would he have been so adamant about gaining money and power to control his destiny if it was just a bad dream?

Also, after he was awake and finished giving his little speach about money and power, his mother could be seen behind him with a sad look on her face.

On a side note, with Lex as a good guy Jonathan was still alive seven years later. Could it be that Lex has something to do with Jonathan's death? Or am I giving the writers too much credit?

Much of what sent Clark out to become Superman was the death of his father and that he was powerless to stop it. So it may make sense that Clark hadn't yet become Superman and thus Lois hadn't fallen for him.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
I don't think so. There's a huge stretch from snooping around in your friends business to working as a reporter at one of the world's major newspapers.

I think the writers had Clark working at the DP in the future exactly so we'd know it was actually alternate future and not just a dream. If they wanted it to just be a dream, they could easily have had Clark doing something else, something present Lex has more reason to think Clark would choose as a career. It isn't that much of a stretch. Clark snoops around in Lex's business. Reporters snoop around in Lex's business. Clark asks Lex personal questions which make him uncomfortable. Reporters ask Lex personal questions which make him uncomfortable. With similarities like that - and it is pretty much the only side of Clark he's seeing these days - he will almost certainly be comparing him to reporters in that way. They're both a constant bother to him. Even if he doesn't think it conciously, his subconcious could be connecting the two.

And as someone else said, he also worked for the Torch. Dedicated or not, he still worked there. Perry White thought he showed talent too. Lex could've read some of that stuff and thought he could imagine Clark being a reporter.

[Supergirl Jam]

I have a theory!!
It could probably mean that if Lex turns good, then Lois wouldn't be in the DP. In Solitude, it showed Lois slowly getting into journalism becuase of Lex. Becuase of Lex having all that power, Lois wanted to do something about it. And what is that? That would be journalism! So if Lex walks away from his father, he wouldn't have that kind of power anymore, which means Lois wouldn't have a reason to work in the DP. So that could explain why she isn't mention in the alternative future. So if Lex stays the way he is, Lois will be that big shot reporter and meet Clark again and fall in love with and all. So in a way that's good Lex will be bad, or else there wouldn't be Lois Lane working in the DP. That could be why she isn't with Clark becuase she's not working in the DP! Well that's my theory. I could be wrong.

[sirconical]

Originally posted by Supergirl Jam
I have a theory!!
It could probably mean that if Lex turns good, then Lois wouldn't be in the DP. In Solitude, it showed Lois slowly getting into journalism becuase of Lex. Becuase of Lex having all that power, Lois wanted to do something about it. And what is that? That would be journalism! So if Lex walks away from his father, he wouldn't have that kind of power anymore, which means Lois wouldn't have a reason to work in the DP. So that could explain why she isn't mention in the alternative future. So if Lex stays the way he is, Lois will be that big shot reporter and meet Clark again and fall in love with and all. So in a way that's good Lex will be bad, or else there wouldn't be Lois Lane working in the DP. That could be why she isn't with Clark becuase she's not working in the DP! Well that's my theory. I could be wrong. Does his dad still have power? I thought he'd lost all his cash in prison, and I don't ermember him getting anything back since then. Maybe I jsut forgot. Reminders anyone?

[margroks]

For the committment of marriage and a family since Clark remains uncertain if children are possible just for one thign. Saying "your" whatever is no indications of non-coupleness as my hubby of many years says that about things I want or care more for than he does.

The touching and being there together is a very couply thing to do. And actually, this is coming up on the time Clark would start to be with his intended when he finally decides he can have it all with his best friend. And if Chloe were to end up being Lois then we saw it right there for the first time.

It's actually unclear if this is really a vision of the future or just a fever dream anyway.

[batfinx]

It seemed dreamlike to me because everything looked like a combination of Lex's fondest wishes at war with his deepest suspicions. As for Clark being a reporter, I figured Lex got that idea from Clark being Fine's research assistant doing an exposé on LuthorCorp. With Fine gone, it seemed like Lex transferred his suspicion to Chloe who was writing the exposé instead.

Notice there's nothing in the dream that indicates what Lex does for a living. He has a modest home and income, but like any dream, the details are foggy. And if it's seven years in the future and Lana has a son that's 5 or 6 years old, it looks like she left Clark, got over him, went to Lex, had a whirlwind courtship, got married and started having kids right away. That doesn't even account for the time it took Lex to decide to leave his father and wealth behind and find some job to support a wife and family.

But if we look at it as a real alternate future, then it gets back to Lex knowing the future and how to avoid Lana's death in that future. He knows Lana goes into labor on Christmas Eve, so he could take her to Metropolis the day before and admit her into the hospital he had wanted Lionel to fly her to. If he was still fearful, they could have made an appointment for a scheduled C section on December 23 and completely eliminate the pitfalls of a natural birth, which seemed to cause the hemorrhaging. He could get a vasectomy after their son was born.

There's a lot of precautions Lex could take to avoid Lana's death in the future if he wanted that future with her bad enough and that's why I don't think it was really a glimpse into the future. It was a dream, but a dream that was like a final showdown between good and evil Lex where evil Lex emerged triumphant. In his dream, even though he was good, he wasn't senator. In his dream, he was good, but he wasn't prosperous. In his dream, Clark received a promotion and Chloe was having a book published, but Lex's job was never revealed other than he had to be on a budget because of his limited income. He was good, but he couldn't save his wife's life. In essence, being "good" in his dream equaled being a failure. Even if we pretend it was a real alternate future, the conclusion would be the same in Lex's mind. Being good only leads him to being a failure.

[ShaftDu]

I am the boat that believes Lex was dreaming rather then this being a reality.

However, I do like the idea this could be a different reality. I like the idea that Lex might have created Lois the reporter by being evil. Without an evil Lex, Lois wouldn't have become a reporter. Then again that would also explain why a future Clark wasn't wearing glasses. Maybe a world without a bad Lex, we wouldn't have a Superman. Just the fact I believe Clark wasn't wearing any glasses, this is a MAJOR clue

[markbot]

it was only 6 years into the future...hwich makes clark in the middle 20s....

[chlarklove]

Lillian said countless times that the future that was being presented to Lex COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN, if he made the right choices by following his heart and not his ambition.

So, yeah... it wasn't a dream. It was a presentation of a possible future for Lex.

Also, Mack said in that Lexmas interview that Chloe was single in the future.

That's not true. Allison said that Chloe was still in love with Clark and that she'll always be in love with Clark, but that she's "pretty much solo RIGHT NOW." Which, hey... it's the truth. The writer of the article is the one who said she SEEMS destined to never get her man.

[Christine C]

Since it's Lex's dream, as most people have already agreed, Lois was simply overlooked. She's not someone who's been relevant in Lex's life, or even been around in Smallville except the last year.
Not to mention, I don't think he's too fond of Lois, so why include her in his dream. In the real future we also know Lois starts working at the Planet before Clark Kent does. She's like 30, and he's around 27- 28, when he comes there. In Lex's dream Clark is working there when he's only 25. I believe Lex imagines Clark as a reporter because Clark spends so much time with Chole who Lex knows was interning at the Planet in college.

[auctionrick]

Originally posted by Laguine
It's 7 years later. Clark is suppose to be around 25 years old. This is to young for a Clark / Lois relation.
Clark just got his promotion to reporter. it is to early for him to be together with lois.

[auctionrick]

Originally posted by batfinx
It seemed dreamlike to me because everything looked like a combination of Lex's fondest wishes at war with his deepest suspicions. As for Clark being a reporter, I figured Lex got that idea from Clark being Fine's research assistant doing an exposé on LuthorCorp. With Fine gone, it seemed like Lex transferred his suspicion to Chloe who was writing the exposé instead.

Notice there's nothing in the dream that indicates what Lex does for a living. He has a modest home and income, but like any dream, the details are foggy. And if it's seven years in the future and Lana has a son that's 5 or 6 years old, it looks like she left Clark, got over him, went to Lex, had a whirlwind courtship, got married and started having kids right away. That doesn't even account for the time it took Lex to decide to leave his father and wealth behind and find some job to support a wife and family.

But if we look at it as a real alternate future, then it gets back to Lex knowing the future and how to avoid Lana's death in that future. He knows Lana goes into labor on Christmas Eve, so he could take her to Metropolis the day before and admit her into the hospital he had wanted Lionel to fly her to. If he was still fearful, they could have made an appointment for a scheduled C section on December 23 and completely eliminate the pitfalls of a natural birth, which seemed to cause the hemorrhaging. He could get a vasectomy after their son was born.

There's a lot of precautions Lex could take to avoid Lana's death in the future if he wanted that future with her bad enough and that's why I don't think it was really a glimpse into the future. It was a dream, but a dream that was like a final showdown between good and evil Lex where evil Lex emerged triumphant. In his dream, even though he was good, he wasn't senator. In his dream, he was good, but he wasn't prosperous. In his dream, Clark received a promotion and Chloe was having a book published, but Lex's job was never revealed other than he had to be on a budget because of his limited income. He was good, but he couldn't save his wife's life. In essence, being "good" in his dream equaled being a failure. Even if we pretend it was a real alternate future, the conclusion would be the same in Lex's mind. Being good only leads him to being a failure.

If we try to see things the way Lex see's thing's, everything is pretty much black and white. There is his mothers way for his life path, in which everyone he ever loves dies and there is nothing he can do about it. (even though we may be able to think of things he can do, Lex dosen't). Lex's only experience in being able to change anything is with money or power, both of which he dosen't have going his mothers way. That's why he will be helpless to walk the good path and change the future. Then there is his fathers way. When Lex went for help from his father, Lionel told Lex that it was Lex's fault that Lana was going to die. When Lex walked away from the "Power and Money" he lost the chance to save her. Lex lives in this world where power and money are the ONLY way to change things. So in order for Lex to live "happily ever after" and have everything he wants, he rejects his mothers path, in which he knows that he is powerless to change the future and instead chooses his fathers path and even quotes Lionel. "Power and Money" Lionel tells Lex is the only way. Lex knows this to be true from his first hand experience. Regardless of what anybody might think or know, we always use our own experiences to judge our paths, even if we see other people succeedin life, that is not our success and we have do things our way. So does Lex

and it really dosen't matter if we think it's a dream or an alternate reality, Lex thinks it's an alternate reality. He takes the ONLY path, "the right path" (in his mind) he can take, in which he can be "happily ever after". If he thought it was a dream, he would have dissmissed it as such, and not made a choice, but waited to explore all his options like he said he was going to do.

[muffinpeddler]

Chlarklove posted: Lillian said countless times that the future that was being presented to Lex COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN, if he made the right choices by following his heart and not his ambition.

So, yeah... it wasn't a dream. It was a presentation of a possible future for Lex.

(Yeah, i don't know how to quote, bite me.) Perhaps Lex was DREAMING that his mom said it was a possible future. Since Lex has suspicions about Clark's powers, but not definite facts, he wouldn't dream of Clark being Superman. He thinks Clark Really doesn't like Lois, so he probably wouldn't dream them together.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by auctionrick
And it really dosen't matter if we think it's a dream or an alternate reality, Lex thinks it's an alternate reality. He takes the ONLY path, "the right path" (in his mind) he can take, in which he can be "happily ever after". If he thought it was a dream, he would have dissmissed it as such, and not made a choice, but waited to explore all his options like he said he was going to do.
As a person firmly in the "it's a dream" camp, I think this is a really important point. What matters is how Lex views his vision, and what he does about it.

[ctjj.stevenson]

Originally posted by k18
They never stated that Clark and Chloe were in an actual romantic relationship, either. For all we know, they could still be friends just picking a Christmas tree together. And I know Chloe was writing a book, but did they mention that she was still working at DP as a reporter or is she just an author now? Maybe that is some sort of foreshadowing to her future career and why we never see her at DP with Clark and Lois.

I say that Clark and Chloe were a couple in this one. I remember seeing C&C walking away, and Clark did put his arm around Chloe (this was at the Tree kiosque).

I say that one day, Lex would have Chloe killed, and this could not have happen within the nice Lex alternate reality. Therefore, Chloe is still around, and Clark could have started to have deeper feeling towards her.

This could explain why we did not see any site of Superman in this show. Maybe Superman is not needed, seeing that Lex is all good - or maybe Lillian did not want Lex to see who "Hero of the story" is yet.

Chris

[son2380]

I think it wa a dream.
because everthing that happend in the dream coincided with what was actually happening to lex in the hospital.
when Lana was having complication after labor, Lex was going through surgery which put stress on him and affected his dream. Before Lionel interferred and had lex moved the dream he was having was peaceful and going well. The dream turned into a tragedy when Lex body was moved to Metropolis and the stress from being moved and going through the surgery altered the dream turining it into a nightmare.

Also if this was a an alternate Future clark would become Superman regardless of whether lex is evil or not. Its is his destiny to be supeman. Clark is instinctly prone to help people, before CHloe pete or anyone new about clarks powers Clark always tried to save people even his enemies that did him wrong he always tried to help them. Lex doesn;t cause him to put on the uniform. I think the first time Clark saves someone in Metropolis he gets hounded by people and he didn't want people to bother him so he decides to wear a costume. this is before Superman even Knows who lex Luthor is. To me regardless if lex is evil or not if this is a real Alternate Future Clark will be Superman.

Another reason why I thnk this is a dream there is no Jo-rel prophecy of doom if clark doesn't follow his destiny. Jo-rel would see to it that he does complete his destiny and becomes Superman with or with out Lex beig evil. If this was an alternate Future Clark would still become Superman because of the Jo-rel influence, and zod is still a threat and is coming to attack the earth, pls brainiac is still out their waiting or an opportunity to attack clark. If Clark is living a peaceful life without being superman then that mean he ignored his destiny and refused to obey his real father. which mean the earth should either be in a war with Zod or somthing. Lex isn't the only reason Clark has to becoming superman he has to protect the earth from Zod and Brainiac

[penguin91]

i agree with ctjj.stevenson
i think that lex will kill chloe in the future, but if he turned good he wouldnt and chloe and clark would end up together

[SteveS]

For those of you who recorded this episode, I didn't, tell me what happened at the end of the scene where Lex orders his henchman to dirty work on Jonathan. Could have been that I was dreaming, but I saw Lillian still standing there looking at Lex disapprovingly.

Now, either I was dreaming and she did not stand there while Lex was awake and recovered, or she was standing there and this was not a dream but an alternative reality without Smallville's Lois in it.

[Watching Smallville]

My theory -- Lillian in the dream was in Lex's subconsious, dreamed as a symbol of his alternative choices. Someone else posted, very wisely, that stealing Lex's watch would make him think of Lillian because she gave him the watch. Lillian at the end was the real ghost of Lillian, appearing because her son had made a choice that set him firmly on the dark path.

[SteveS]

So are you saying that I did indeed see Lillian standing beside Lex at the end of the program? If so, sorry, I reject the 'dream' concept and will stick with the alternative reality a la "A Christmas Carol."

[sirconical]

Originally posted by SteveS
So are you saying that I did indeed see Lillian standing beside Lex at the end of the program? If so, sorry, I reject the 'dream' concept and will stick with the alternative reality a la "A Christmas Carol." it looked like her reflection in the window to me.

[Watching Smallville]

Lillian was standing behind Lex at the very end -- but it doesn't resolve the dream versus alternative reality question. I think it was dream. I think the real Lillian appeared for the first time at the end. The other was Lex's dreaming about his mom.

Regardless, she was there. I don't think it was a reflection in the window.

[SteveS]

Okay, thanks, glad to know that I did see her standing by Lex and her facial expression was not one of approval.

[Yuui]

Originally posted by adabama
I agree, if it is the actual future, and not just a dream, then Clark just became a reporter, as he told Lex. So in all the stories they work together for a while before he falls in love with her, and even longer before she falls in love with him.

This is the period known as "Chlarkers Rejoice!" Which will then be followed by the "Chlarker Depression" coinciding with the rise of "Clois."

Where is the love for us Clexers? :(


... ;) :p

[margroks]

I like that. A dream then the actual ghost of Lillian. The loss of that watch could easily have precipitated Lex having this series of dreams.

And Clark not wearing glasses? Fits well with it being a dream. THe fact that everything in the dream had Lex being hailed as being the greatest humanitarian ever like he could do no wrong yet we never saw or heard anything to indicate what exactly he does to earn this since we know he's not wealthy so it isn't contributions to various causes. Lex must still very much want Jonathan Kents approval to have him saying what a great guy is Lex when we, the audience, know Jonathan would be thinking his own son would hold that position. The extremely self serving nature of everyone's remarks about Lex seems to say dream to me.

And this would easily be the time Clark has assumed the mantle of Superman. His promation would only mean he's fully ensconced and a full fledged reporter at at the Planet then. Lex wouldn't know he would be Superman then and wear glasses in his mild mannered guise.

It's sad that Lex, who always admonished Clark that not everything is in black and white, now sees things in that limited color scheme himself.

[Watching Smallville]

Good post, margroks.