Real Santa Claus = kryptonian?

[Sledge]

So is the real santa claus a kryptonian? How else did her deliver all those toys?

[akuma]

I doubt that Santa was a kryptonian. They just wanted to add little 'magic' if u will to the episode.:p

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by akuma
I doubt that Santa was a kryptonian. They just wanted to add little 'magic' if u will to the episode.:p

Truly sums it up. Santa brought a smile to my face in this episode.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Sledge
So is the real santa claus a kryptonian? How else did her deliver all those toys?

If he were Kryptonian, he wouldn't have said "Ho-ho-holy cow!" when Clark saved him. Unless he had just arrived on Earth and didn't know about his powers from the yellow sun yet. :P

I think Santa was just meant to be one of those "meta humans" from the DC Universe. We've seen from "Spell" that magic is very really in the Smallville universe, so there's really no need to explain it other than him being either "magic" or a "metahuman".

[jag5311]

Better watch out, better not cry, the left wing activitst will sue the WB for saying Christmas :)

ok, so that didn't rhyme...but it wouldn't surprise me if the anti-christmas people came out striking on Smallville because of the use of the word :)

btw - speaking of CHristmas, if this doesn't make you laugh, well then...there is no hope :)

http://illwillpress.com/xmas.html

This is great!

[farmboy20]

i was hoping santa would've said, "Merry Christmas, Kal-el." and vanished and left Clark standing there going "Huh?"

[blastcaps]

LMAO!! i was thinking the same thing, if any one from the ACLU was watching this episode they must be fuming and sending hate e-mails to the WB by now, hell they might even be standing out side the WB with picket fences already.

This whole matter is getting rediculous though!!!! and really pissing me off!!!

By the way this was a really great episode, i was actually happy for Lex, but i could already see that pwilf Lana was going to die and Lex would become the new and improved MB.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by jag5311
Better watch out, better not cry, the left wing activitst will sue the WB for saying Christmas :)

ok, so that didn't rhyme...but it wouldn't surprise me if the anti-christmas people came out striking on Smallville because of the use of the word :)

btw - speaking of CHristmas, if this doesn't make you laugh, well then...there is no hope :)

http://illwillpress.com/xmas.html

This is great!

*sighs* Buy into it hook, line, and sinker. Good job. Please give me one verified cite of the ACLU (not some random nutter, but the ACLU specifically) sueing someone for saying Christmas?

People aren't out to destroy Christmas, this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. I had my Mother the other night tell me that Wal-Mart has told it's employees they can't say "Merry Christmas" which is complete and utter BS. Know how I know? I worked at Wal-Mart up until this past Monday, and they never said that. I've read articles that Wal-Mart has suggested that saying Happy Holidays might be a better way to include everyone in their greeting, but never -ever- have I seen anything to verify that they *forced* anyone to say Happy Holidays.

Seems like once again the most catered-to group in the World is claiming that they are the most persectured.

I'm sorry I took this bait and responded to it, I won't do so again. I just wanted to say what I had to say, but this isn't for talking about the FCC or the use of Christmas, this is for talking about the episode.

[Watching Smallville]

As to what you had to say -- Amen.

[sstray72]

I think Santa was a METEOR FREAK.

Merry Christmahaunakwanzaka and Festivus to everyone!!

Happy happy happy.... everybody's happy...

[UpandAtom]

If Santa Claus could fly, why would he need flying reindeer?

[svsabbiesv]

yea the whole Santa was nice to see on Smallville. When Santa said that Christmas is dead and have you seen the world..its true.. when we have to start changing the merry xmas to happy holidays and havin that tree be called holiday tree..takes away the whole aspect. without xmas we would never have the tree..

[SuperVan]

Anyone else think that Clark and "Santa" were just playing a prank on Chloe? That Clark was actually the one that took all those presents.

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by svsabbiesv
yea the whole Santa was nice to see on Smallville. When Santa said that Christmas is dead and have you seen the world..its true.. when we have to start changing the merry xmas to happy holidays and havin that tree be called holiday tree..takes away the whole aspect. without xmas we would never have the tree..

Read my above post regarding Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. You do realize you just typed Xmas, a word that's frankly a lot less "joyous" than Happy Holidays?

Re: The Tree. We would have the tree without Christmas. Decorated trees were used to celebrate other holidays (Pagan holidays) before there ever -was- a Christmas. Calling it a holiday tree is just a good way to include the secular holiday with the religious one. Frankly, I could care less if it's called a Holiday Tree or a Oompa Loompa Tree. But, let's make no bones about this: the tree's origins aren't entirely Christian.

[Lana_Lang #1]

I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched this episode!

"Santa Claus is a kryptonian! That explains a lot!" I said and then I did a little giggle and broke out into a wide grin.

[NotTodayPete]

It wasn't santa , it was really BRAINIAC keeping tabs on Clark!!

[Kryptomaniac]

Originally posted by SuperVan
Anyone else think that Clark and "Santa" were just playing a prank on Chloe? That Clark was actually the one that took all those presents.

Yeah, I thought that, too. It sure is a Christmas Chloe will remember.

But like Santa needs any help.........:)

[Laguine]

Kryptonians can't be affect by alcool. And Santa was... he is not.

[livn_life]

Santa isn't Kryptonian. He's a pooka. How else can he stop time and deliver all the presents in one night and be anywhere he wants to be? :lol: And pookas like to drink. Just like this Santa. See? It all fits. Kryptonian, indeed! :rotfl:

[mario masta]

Of course Santa's Kryptonian: how else would his reindeer fly? :p

jk :lol:

[Big Albowski]

Kryptonian name:
Kring-El :)

Al

[mario masta]

His workshop is probably located in the FOS.

[Vatusia]

Originally posted by Big Albowski
Kryptonian name:
Kring-El :)

Al


:rotfl:

I'm tellin ya, I've gotten more laughs out of the response to this ep than I have for any other episode of Smallville. :D

[Liriel]

Originally posted by mario masta
Of course Santa's Kryptonian: how else would his reindeer fly? :p

jk :lol:

My sister actually read a really great Forever Knight fic where Santa was a vampire. And so were his reindeer, explaining the flight and the immortality. And the working at night bit.

[krpto]

maybe santa said holy cow becuase he was surprised clark would use his powers to save him and maybe santa can copy someoneelses powers after seeing them used.

[Aquila]

santa coming back to the daily planet just to vanish with all the remaining presents was just chloe's imagination.
we're beginning to see where chloe is really headed: following her mom's footsteps

[RedKalEL]

Here's my answer He's Santa!

[Sledge]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
Re: The Tree. We would have the tree without Christmas. Decorated trees were used to celebrate other holidays (Pagan holidays) before there ever -was- a Christmas. Calling it a holiday tree is just a good way to include the secular holiday with the religious one. Frankly, I could care less if it's called a Holiday Tree or a Oompa Loompa Tree. But, let's make no bones about this: the tree's origins aren't entirely Christian.

Well it's not just the tree. The entire "christmas" holiday is a pagan holiday that was renamed Christmas b/c people wouldn't start celebrating it. Obviously it was never inteded to have anything to do w/ Jesus's birthday since he was born in the spring.

[last man of krypton]

Originally posted by Big Albowski
Kryptonian name:
Kring-El :)

Al

:rotfl: :rotfl:

And we know that meteor rocks can affect animals too, so I guess he was the first to experiment on reindeer, finding just the right dosage of Kryptonite to make them fly...

[Magus]

Maybe he was ACTUALLY The Santa.

[Mr. E]

When did Santa ever need to be Kryptonian to deliver presents in one night. He's been doing it for years and i've never heard of him being Kryptonian. Not to mention, the Snata I know of does global work. :)

[muffinpeddler]

Man, society really has transformed the birth of Christ, the lord and savior of this world, into a petty merchandising enterprise, and supreme *****ing contest. I'm gonna go join Saint-El on the roof. Sorry, just inserting my two cents. You may continue to discuss Santa's Kryptonian heritage.

Hey, I wonder if the FOS is in Santa's territory.
Mrs. Claus: Oooh! Would you look at that Kris! New neighbors!
santa: Women, we've never had neighbors before.
Mrs. Claus: Well now we do, and i think we should go say hello!
(they walk to FOS, Jor-El inhabits Santa's body to advance his own goals.)

[Lightning Flash]

Their is no Santa Claus, the Christmas presents were just an appeal or an allussion to theChristmas time.

[ctjj.stevenson]

Hey, I wonder if the FOS is in Santa's territory.
Mrs. Claus: Oooh! Would you look at that Kris! New neighbors!
santa: Women, we've never had neighbors before.
Mrs. Claus: Well now we do, and i think we should go say hello!
(they walk to FOS, Jor-El inhabits Santa's body to advance his own goals.)


and


Kryptonian name:
Kring-El

Boy where those great!

I did also believe that this SV Santa was a FOTW, and I am surprised that Chloe did actually believe that it was Santa Claus. However, I don't believe that we should make such an investigation about this story, because Christmas is very important to children, and therefore, I will say that in the Smallville universe, Santa Claus exist. Next year, they should maybe have a Smallville short episode, having Santa visit the FOS, to say Happy Christmas to Clark.

Chris

[smallville_fetish]

Real Santa = Kryptonian?

Let's put it in this simplicity that we mature folks would understand..... Santa is not real. He was only part of Smallville because he's part of the whole Christmas spirit. He's not real in case you don't know and I'm sorry if I spoiled it for some of you.

[muffinpeddler]

yeah, but wouldn't it be funny if we saw some little girl and her older siblings watching on as Santa delivers gifts? The little girl could look back her older siblings and say: "I told you he was real!" (Yes, i ripped that off of CON: LWW)

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Real Santa = Kryptonian?

Let's put it in this simplicity that we mature folks would understand..... Santa is not real. He was only part of Smallville because he's part of the whole Christmas spirit. He's not real in case you don't know and I'm sorry if I spoiled it for some of you.

We know, or at least we believe based on logic, that Santa is not real in real life. Smallville, however, is not real life. In Smallville, and the DC Universe, Santa may be very real. That's the beauty of an imaginary world, anything can happen.

[Watching Smallville]

Afer all, Superman is real on Smallville! ;)

[Elite]

i suppose...
although i prefered it when all the supernatural things in Smallville were explained by krypton/the meteor shower (or Luthorcorp experiments)

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by Elite
i suppose...
although i prefered it when all the supernatural things in Smallville were explained by krypton/the meteor shower (or Luthorcorp experiments)

There have been non-Kryptonite and non-LuthorCorp explanations for a while now. We never learned how Ryan got his powers (well, technically, I guess they explained that his powers came from his brain tumor). We had the Witches from Season 4. We've had the Flash, and Aquaman.

[Daphne]

Originally posted by jag5311
Better watch out, better not cry, the left wing activitst will sue the WB for saying Christmas :)

ok, so that didn't rhyme...but it wouldn't surprise me if the anti-christmas people came out striking on Smallville because of the use of the word :)

btw - speaking of CHristmas, if this doesn't make you laugh, well then...there is no hope :)

http://illwillpress.com/xmas.html

This is great!

Hee hee hee heee... good one.

[Watching Smallville]

Better watch out, better not cry, the left wing activitst will sue the WB for saying Christmas

ok, so that didn't rhyme...but it wouldn't surprise me if the anti-christmas people came out striking on Smallville because of the use of the word

Nobody's out to get Christmas. Why would anyone want to believe such a thing?

I'm hoping this was not the real Santa Claus. I have the same problem w/ portraying Santa as drinking and jumping off a roof that many posters have with portraying Superman as flawed in any way. I don't have the same problem w/ seeing Clark Kent struggling with human issues, but don't mess with Santa! :D

[Kalel33076]

Santa is just Clark's neighbor. They should have Clark in the FOS one day and he sees Santa outside and invites him in.

[Mr. E]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Real Santa = Kryptonian?

..... Santa is not real. He was only part of Smallville because he's part of the whole Christmas spirit. He's not real in case you don't know and I'm sorry if I spoiled it for some of you.

SANTA' S NOT REAL?!?!?!?!?!?!

MOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYY!!! :runs off crying like a baby:

[KyleSBeaver]

Originally posted by blastcaps
hell they might even be standing out side the WB with picket fences already.


Enough said.

[superman05]

santa is not kryptonian santa is sana and he is from the north pole

[krpto]

i wouldn't doubt that we won't find out till next x-mas what the deal with santa is if even then.

[smallvillerox05]

Didn't read the thread, so sorry if someone else already said it. Besides the "holy cow" comment, SANTA WAS DRUNK. Alcohol doesn't affect Kryptonians (Recruit).

[Elite]

Santa was clearly Brainiac in another form. Since he's not an actual Kryptonian, alcohol would affect him.
But Brainiac is good at acting so he could've easily faked being drunk anyway.

[Sledge]

Originally posted by muffinpeddler
Man, society really has transformed the birth of Christ, the lord and savior of this world, into a petty merchandising enterprise, and supreme *****ing contest. I'm gonna go join Saint-El on the roof. Sorry, just inserting my two cents. You may continue to discuss Santa's Kryptonian heritage.

Well, if christians wanted Christmas to be just about Christ's birthday, they should have celebrated it on Christ's birthday. Instead they renamed a pagan holiday christmas and pretended that the celebration was actually b/c of Christ's birthday (which was in the spring, not december).

[smallville_fetish]

Originally posted by MidgardDragon
We know, or at least we believe based on logic, that Santa is not real in real life. Smallville, however, is not real life. In Smallville, and the DC Universe, Santa may be very real. That's the beauty of an imaginary world, anything can happen.

Yeah Smallville is based on imaginary world, but that world is different from our imaginary world. Calling Santa Kryptonian is like calling all vampires, witches, ghosts, warewolfs, elves and easter bunnies Kryptonian. They're all part of our imaginary/supernatural world and it has nothing to do with Smallville so why merge the two. Santa being real in Smallville does not make him Kryptonian.

[j03superbat]

Is it really that hard to accept that in the Smallville universe Santa Claus is real?

[MidgardDragon]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Yeah Smallville is based on imaginary world, but that world is different from our imaginary world. Calling Santa Kryptonian is like calling all vampires, witches, ghosts, warewolfs, elves and easter bunnies Kryptonian. They're all part of our imaginary/supernatural world and it has nothing to do with Smallville so why merge the two. Santa being real in Smallville does not make him Kryptonian.

I was just saying that Santa was real on Smallville, *not* that he is Kryptonian. My posts throughout the thread should show that I do not believe Santa was meant to be Kryptonian.

[smallville_fetish]

My comment was more towards this topic than your post, sorry that wasn't clear I was only relating to your post about the imaginary world part. But I think most people here have came to the agreement that Santa isn't an alien? If this was Harry Potter we'd be discussing whether Santa is a wizard or not.

[slave2moonlight]

I'm mostly surprised that many folks don't seem to think being drunk can be faked. The ending of the episode definitely made it possible that "Santa" was read and playing Clark from the beginning. I'm not sure why, I only saw the episode once and don't seem to remember Clark acting Scroogey. On the other hand, still assuming that Santa is real in Smallville, which I totally see as a possibility, I guess he could have just been depressed about people losing their Christmas spirit and gotten drunk and given up, and Clark showed HIM the light. I guess that's closer to what happened. If that's correct though, I'm not too happy about them showing Santa getting plastered and trying to kill himself.

In truth, I think they purposely left it open as to if this was Santa or not. I'm sure many of us thought, "Is he a Kryptonian?" But, even more likely would be that he's a meteor freak with speed or teleportation powers. Still, I opt for him being the real Santa Claus, and I am glad not everything in Smallville is explained by meteors, though most things are. I wish the vampires hadn't been.

For the record, I loved this episode. Definitely a favorite of mine. Lana was like the perfect wife, and Chloe looked particularly good this episode too. At first I thought she and Clark (in the dream) were married? After a while that seemed incorrect. Did they ever say for sure? Lex certainly had the perfect life till Lana died. That WOULD make his final decision pretty tough, in my opinion. I mean, he not only ends up without Lana, but without his fortune too. Still, you'd think he'd have the business skills to become rich again, but maybe Lionel always thwarts him...

As for Christmas in general, if I didn't believe certain parties were trying to Grinch it out, I certainly do now that Coca Cola no longer has Santa on their cans, just those freakin' "Holiday-Friendly" Polar Bears. I don't dislike the Polar Bears, just prefer Santa. It'd be nice if they just offered both options. No matter which side you're on, you'd have to be blind not to see the war on Christmas. It's just a long road before it will be strikingly noticeable to the masses. Slow, sneaky changes like that face less opposition.

[Watching Smallville]

Originally posted by slave2moonlight
As for Christmas in general, if I didn't believe certain parties were trying to Grinch it out, I certainly do now that Coca Cola no longer has Santa on their cans, just those freakin' "Holiday-Friendly" Polar Bears. I don't dislike the Polar Bears, just prefer Santa. It'd be nice if they just offered both options. No matter which side you're on, you'd have to be blind not to see the war on Christmas. It's just a long road before it will be strikingly noticeable to the masses. Slow, sneaky changes like that face less opposition.
I must be blind. Seems to me we've been talking about an entire Smallville episode devloted to Christmas.

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I must be blind. Seems to me we've been talking about an entire Smallville episode devloted to Christmas.

That's what I meant by sneaking it in slowly. You start with the complaints about public displays, changing Christmas trees to "Holiday" trees, and taking Santa off the coke cans... You don't instantly take Christmas out of every aspect of society. At first, only the hardcore Christmas lovers notice anything, and you always have folks who are anti-Christmas or just don't care saying it's a bunch of boloney and trying to make distractions. "Don't look at the coke cans, look at the Christmas shows on TV (they may be the last you get to see)!"

[Watching Smallville]

I doubt it. I've seen a lot of Christmas shows this year. I have yet to see a Kwanza show. ;)

But I don't want to get off topic. It seems that if you want to celebrate the spirit of Christmas, Smallville has given you a nice ep to do it with. Complete w/ Santa -- real or mystery figure. :)

[slave2moonlight]

Originally posted by Watching Smallville
I doubt it. I've seen a lot of Christmas shows this year. I have yet to see a Kwanza show. ;)

Of course not, they don't want to start something else they'll have to remove later. ;) The goal is a one-culture world. Sounds pretty boring to me. Christian culture is the easiest one to attack right now because it's easy to write-off as b.s.; the masses won't feel the impact as long as there are still Christmas TV specials and supplies to purchase.


However, I agree about getting off topic, and I did find this to be a very enjoyable Christmas Special that didn't wuss out.

[Yuui]

Originally posted by UpandAtom
If Santa Claus could fly, why would he need flying reindeer?

Because he's fat and lazy. ;)


*gets a lump of coal in stocking*


:confused:

[muffinpeddler]

Yuui, after what you said about Santa and Chloe, I'd be shocked if you didn't get coal.

[HotStudsSuccess]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
Real Santa = Kryptonian?

Let's put it in this simplicity that we mature folks would understand..... Santa is not real. He was only part of Smallville because he's part of the whole Christmas spirit. He's not real in case you don't know and I'm sorry if I spoiled it for some of you.

Santa Claus sure is real I will always believe in Kriss Kringle. John Schneider even believes.

Go to: http://www.noradsanta.org/en/celebrities.php

If you don't believe me.

[gusgorman]

Ummm only because I think people are taking the Lexmas/Santa episode a weee bit seriously ...

Either a) the writer simply employed the cheesiest of TV sitcom devices (the ye olde oooh Santa's real device) or b) Clark and Kris Kring-El played a joke on Chloe.

I'm going with (a) only because there really isn't a reason for Clark to trick Chloe. It's not like she isn't full of the holiday spirit and if anyone would investigate Santa it'd be her.

Also, if Clark could have moved all those presents in a second why didn't he earlier so he could be with Lana earlier.

OK now I return you back to the left field theory of the moment.

[Jlvsclrk]

I thought Santa was Santa - not the original religious figure Saint Nicholas, but something old and magical that's been watching what's happening to the world around him with growing dismay. Not just the commercialization of Christmas, as sad as that must be to a being whose whole life revolves around the day. But remember this is the DC universe before the super-heros invent themselves. I just have visions of Santa having completed his deliveries in despairing, crime infested, pre-Batman Gotham, and then moving on to greed driven, crime infested, pre-Superman Metropolis.

[smallville_fetish]

Uhmm... thanks HotStu***uccess.. Santa just had one too many drinks thats all.. he probably does it on a regular basis, we just now seen it. Hope that didn't spoil anyone's image of him, if it makes you feel better, he's Kryptonian.. because they get drunk and slip off buildings all the time :p.

[Watching Smallville]

I've also come to believe that Santa was Santa, and he was just whirling around on the roof with a bottle of whiskey to get Clark's attention and at the same time convince Clark that he wasn't really Santa. I don't think we ever did see him take a drink. And he fell off the roof by accident. Santa was just a little curious about this guy who's suddenly stepping on his gig, so to speak. The question is -- where did he get that scotch? I think he might have opened someone's Christmas present. ;)