Does Martha even care about Clark's feelings?

[Kreukie]

I was wondering this because Clark doesn't make it a secret that he doesn't enjoy Lois' company most of the time.

Clark isn't a demanding person, he doesn't ask for much from his parents.

So when the kid makes it clear he doesn't enjoy having Lois around you would believe his parents would respect him enough to ask if he's okay with having Lois stay at their home again.

I know Lois staying at the Kent's is just another way for TPTB to give Lois a reason to be in Smallville and for Lana to be the person to actually move in with Chloe.

But I was really annoyed that Martha would just allowed Lois to stay at the farm knowing her son didn't really enjoy her company.

If I was Clark would be really upset with my parents if they allowed someone I didn't really like into our home knowing full well I didn't enjoy that person's company.

It's almost disrespectful, actually it is disrespectful.

Even more, knowing the person had other places open for her to stay, so it's like they were doing because they had to.

Okay I'm done. :p

[HotStudsSuccess]

I totally agree with this I know I would be upset with my parents if they didn't inform me of someone staying the night or for a couple of days.

[dancinggopher01]

I think this is a farm thing for real, my buddy lives in Arkansas, and he says his parents won't turn anyone away.....

I think this is a farm thing for real, my buddy lives in Arkansas, and he says his parents won't turn anyone away.....

Wow...that wrote twice...be afraid of my possessed computer!

[Rozq]

Who said that Clark doesn't enjoy Lois company? Clark is always being sarcastic when it comes to Lois but I don't think that he doesn't like her or sth...

[All about Clark]

But they should ask Clark if he's required to give up his bedroom, the man needs his privacy too, but maybe Martha doesn't want Clark and Lana getting this privacy.

[Reign]

Lois was the first one there after the meteor shower hit... give her a break... The Kents are

[batfinx]

I totally agree with this I know I would be upset with my parents if they didn't inform me of someone staying the night or for a couple of days.

Now you know how the Kens felt having someone stay the night they didn't know was there and was not invited. Remember Hidden? :lol:

That might be exactly why Martha wanted Lois to come back and move in. Face it if Lois had been at the Kent house in Hidden, Clark and Lana wouldn't have been. They'd have played hide the kryptonite somewhere else. I don't think the Kents like that going on under their roof and Jonathan even said so.

Besides it's clear Clark doesn't dislike Lois. They have fun teasing each other, but when subjects turn serious they do too. Nice scene in the loft when Lois let her defenses down. And Lois helped Jonathan find Martha and get her to the hospital. It sounds like a show of gratitude on Martha's part and Lois is back working at the Talon helping her out. You don't have to read anything sinister in Martha's invitation.

[MBCorp]

Martha has a feeling that Clark and Lois are destined to be together.;)

[last man of krypton]

Slightly off-topic, but I didn't even notice Ma & Pa weren't in this episode until I saw the title of this thread...:o

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Martha has a feeling that Clark and Lois are destined to be together.;)


That made me think of the Commentary for "Crusade" on the Season 4 DVD when Annette said Clark and Lois looked perfect together :D

Originally posted by batfinx
Now you know how the Kens felt having someone stay the night they didn't know was there and was not invited. Remember Hidden? :lol:

That might be exactly why Martha wanted Lois to come back and move in. Face it if Lois had been at the Kent house in Hidden, Clark and Lana wouldn't have been. They'd have played hide the kryptonite somewhere else. I don't think the Kents like that going on under their roof and Jonathan even said so.

Besides it's clear Clark doesn't dislike Lois. They have fun teasing each other, but when subjects turn serious they do too. Nice scene in the loft when Lois let her defenses down. And Lois helped Jonathan find Martha and get her to the hospital. It sounds like a show of gratitude on Martha's part and Lois is back working at the Talon helping her out. You don't have to read anything sinister in Martha's invitation.


Great post, I don't think there's anything left to say ;)

[Cookie 28]

What I want to know is, how come there are only two bedrooms in that big old farm house. Maybe they should have put on an addition when they were fixing it up. :)

[kryptonite-proof]

I don't think the writers are very consistent when it comes to the relationship between Clark and Lois. They have always been good at "busting each others' chops" but when it came down to it, they are friends. Clark even admitted that in an episode last year (someone would have to remind me which).

Then at the beginning of this episode, Clark acts like he is not happy to see Lois at all, and geniunely opposes her moving back in to his house. I don't get it.

I also don't buy the fact that Clark and Lana were upset because Lois' presence will interrupt their "activities." What, like his mom and dad being around is completely non-deterrent? I know that didn't stop them in Hidden, but I refuse to believe that Clark and Lana go as they please in his house without worrying about his parents. You know they wouldn't allow that.

[Liriel]

I know what you mean. Not to mention Lana still has apartment, so they have no reason to be undertaking "activities" at his house.


Well, unless they're scared of Lex walking in on them.

[cain]

I kind of got the impression he was just acting like that so Lana wouldn't think he was happy to see Lois and have her staying at his place and get jealous.

[GatorTex]

Originally posted by cain
I kind of got the impression he was just acting like that so Lana wouldn't think he was happy to see Lois and have her staying at his place and get jealous.

I bet a few girls would've been a bit uneasy seeing Lois in her bikini!:eek:

[vikingjedi]

Clark and Lois are like brother and sister. So she's like family.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Also last I checked it was Martha and Jonathan's house they have the right to invite whomever to stay with them that they want ;)

[MsSullivan]

Originally posted by ~*Lois & Clark Fan*~
[B]That made me think of the Commentary for "Crusade" on the Season 4 DVD when Annette said Clark and Lois looked perfect together :D


what commentary did I listen to then because I didn't hear Annette say that Clark and Lois looked perfect together. I did hear her say that ED did not have to stand on boxes with Tom, but thats it. Maybe you can point me to the exact time on the episode where Annette says this. Just for me to check that out.

[shy175223]

Well, in the thrist episode it doesn't look like that Lois is going to stay in the Kent farm for long any way or it maybe it turn out she won't have to. Lana is going to go to share a dorm room eventually with Chloe in MU.

[cmgames]

Yes what a double standard, so Martha doesn't care about Clark for not asking his permission first to ask if Lois could stay with them. But it's ok for Clark to have his own little "sleepover" with Lana Lang without asking for any permission from his parents, ridiculous!

[shy175223]

Well, I suppose thats what he gets for having too many sleepovers with Lana.

[Lobby4Chloe]

My mother would have done the same exact thing to me, so I don't find Martha offering Lois to stay that unusual. I would be on the couch. I'm in my 30's and when I even visit home and somebody comes over, I have the choice of the couch or the floor.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Originally posted by cmgames
Yes what a double standard, so Martha doesn't care about Clark for not asking his permission first to ask if Lois could stay with them. But it's ok for Clark to have his own little "sleepover" with Lana Lang without asking for any permission from his parents, ridiculous!

Exactly! :rolleyes:

[kryptonite-proof]

Anyway, I don't think it's insensitive of her, because I doubt she really thinks Clark dislikes Lois as he tries to show.

[thehenry89]

of course martha cares about clarks feelings,but she doesn't seem like the kind of person who would turn someone away if they were hungary or homeless. Besides martha knows that clarks just frontin about how he dosent like lois. and i don't think clark and lana have been doin the hibidy dibidy since he got his powers back or have they if so heres me feelin sorry for lana for once ow.

[AngelaV]

Simple. Martha is Clark's mother. She knows that deep down Clark really likes Lois :)

[phoephoe]

Originally posted by Cookie 28
What I want to know is, how come there are only two bedrooms in that big old farm house. Maybe they should have put on an addition when they were fixing it up. :)

LOL, I've always wondered about that.

[lzpoof]

Originally posted by dancinggopher01
I think this is a farm thing for real, my buddy lives in Arkansas, and he says his parents won't turn anyone away.....

I think this is a farm thing for real, my buddy lives in Arkansas, and he says his parents won't turn anyone away.....

Wow...that wrote twice...be afraid of my possessed computer!

If you post twice without someone else in the middle, these boards combine your 2 posts into 1 message. So you probably just accidentally double clicked on post.

[SmallvilleMan]

Martha cares about Clark's feelings, which is she didn't yell at him for his "sleepover" with Lana. Martha knows sometimes Clark can't stand lois, but they can get along, like brother and sister. Clark doesn't mind lois living with them, but he also wouldn't shed a tear if she left.

[jtatsiue]

I think I read in the spoilers that once Lana decides to attend MU and ends up living with Chloe, Lois will move into the apt. above the Talon.

[smallville_fetish]

yeah thats what i thought too. well martha doesnt seem to mind clana sleepovers as long as theyre "safe" and im sure it wont be a problem since mr kent felt bad when his son almost died knowing the evil glare he gave clark beforehand. and besides, clark will have his own dorm anyway right?

[Supersonic]

I wouldn't mind if my parents let a hot chick stay over at my house...

[UpandAtom]

Clark wasn't against Lois staying at their house back in "Gone" and "Recruit" so maybe Martha thought that he wouldn't be against Lois moving in again.

[Crazy4Smallville]

Martha's the parent, Clark is the son. The mom's wishes always overrules the son's.

When he gets his own house, THEN he can have a say who stays there or not. Until that time, it's his responsibility to obey his parents rules and not have the overnite Lana stays - and get over himself with the Lois ones.

[Sharkie]

Originally posted by Kreukie
I was wondering this because Clark doesn't make it a secret that he doesn't enjoy Lois' company most of the time.

Clark isn't a demanding person, he doesn't ask for much from his parents.

So when the kid makes it clear he doesn't enjoy having Lois around you would believe his parents would respect him enough to ask if he's okay with having Lois stay at their home again.

I know Lois staying at the Kent's is just another way for TPTB to give Lois a reason to be in Smallville and for Lana to be the person to actually move in with Chloe.

But I was really annoyed that Martha would just allowed Lois to stay at the farm knowing her son didn't really enjoy her company.

If I was Clark would be really upset with my parents if they allowed someone I didn't really like into our home knowing full well I didn't enjoy that person's company.

It's almost disrespectful, actually it is disrespectful.

Even more, knowing the person had other places open for her to stay, so it's like they were doing because they had to.

Okay I'm done. :p Martha's house. She can invite whoever she wants. Be sure to tell your mom that next time a friend of hers comes by to visit or Grandma comes.

[kryptonite-proof]

Originally posted by smallville_fetish
yeah thats what i thought too. well martha doesnt seem to mind clana sleepovers as long as theyre "safe" and im sure it wont be a problem since mr kent felt bad when his son almost died knowing the evil glare he gave clark beforehand. and besides, clark will have his own dorm anyway right?

I disagree that Martha doesn't mind Lana and Clark sleeping together in their house, or even that she doesn't mind them sleeping together at all. She didn't get angry like Jonathan because, for one, Clark is 18, and secondly, because she realizes that it would do no good for her to yell at him about it. I don't for one second think that Martha is perfectly ok with the situation, despite her comments in the "morning after" scene. It would be very uncharacteristic of her to allow Lana to sleep over with Clark.

[whiteflag]

Just MY opinion on this, (fully respecting the others, of course):

Lois really invited herself the first time. She practically forced it on Clark. And for no good reason at all.

She doesn't really need to be living at the farm. She's not a poor, abandoned child. She's a grown up girl who's been taking care of herself for a long time.

Lois is Chloe's cousin. She could live with Chloe. Chloe's apartment may be small, but the farm doesn't have a spare room and Clark is forced to sleep on the couch. Lois doesn't seem to care.

Clark had to get up to do his chores much earlier because Lois was at the farm. No one seemed to care much about that, not even his parents. He may be special, but he's a teen with a lot of obligations that gets tired and needs his rest, as we've seen often on the show. He's far from being Superman yet. And Lois wasn't really doing any work, at that time.

The Kents should be worried that a stranger, which is really what Lois is, lived at the farm when they have such a huge secret to keep. And they never had a reason to invite her the first time. She is not family, she has just known Clark but for a short period of time, she's not even his friend, much less his "sister".

Someone that lives with a family without really needing it and without having done anything to really deserve it (and I'm talking about last season) should at least be considerate to the people that give her a place to stay. To ALL of them.

Lois doesn't really help on the farm. She's working at the talon, that's all, and she wasn't at the beginning. And when she DID something at the farm, the infamous breakfast, it was because she wanted to ask the kents to lodge her sister in the farm.

Why should anyone, much less his parents, assume that Clark really likes her? Do they assume that she likes Clark too? If so, why is she always bashing him, as she did when she was talking to Lana in "Aqua"?. There was no teasing him there, Clark was not even present. And she's done that when talking to Chloe too. She bashes him behind his back. But she lives with him. Why? She's not an "old friend" of the family.

The Kents should care about Clark's feelings and opinions on the matter. At least, they should make sure Clark is okay with that before giving her HIS room. Why don't they offer her THEIR room? Clark wouldn't accept that, of course, but they could do it, nevertheless. Or they could try and find another solution.

I agree the kents are not happy with Clark and Lana sleeping together in their house (even though it's Clark's house too). They have the right not to be. And knowing how the Kents feel about that, it seems strange that they were not concerned about having a girl living on the farm; they even went away (in "Blank") knowing that their son would be all alone with that girl in their house for several days. Didn't that worry them at all?

MY conclusion: there's no reason whatsoever for Lois to stay at the farm. It's just a device the writers use to guarantee Lois' presence in Smallville and her interaction with Clark. And because that way production doesn't need to build another set. But they are not consistent with facts, or with logical reasoning and characters reactions. They know they can't play the card of the Clois yet, it's too soon, so they play the love/hate relationship. It may be fun, but it's too often inconsistent with the characters.

The PTB want Lois in SV (where she really didn't belong in the first place) and that's their choice, which I respect and sometimes even enjoy. But they should try to justify her presence better than they have till now. IMO, of course.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Chloe was living with her dad in a 1 bedroom apartment, they didn't have the room for Lois.

Awww it's not gonna hurt poor Clarkie to have to sleep on the couch, so he's put out for a little while, big deal he can learn to cope, personally if he doesn't like the way his parents do things, there's the door he better not let it hit him in the backside on the way out.

Why should they offer their room? It's THEIR house. Like I was saying Clark is 18 a LEGAL adult he can move out anytime if he doesn't like the way things are run at the Kent farm.

Maybe Lois isn't good on the farm, ever hear of being more of a hindrance than a help? I myself would do a terrible job if I worked on a farm. Lois is working at the Talon, that's more than helping out, cause she's working directly for Martha, and for all we know she might be giving Martha a little something for letting her stay.

With the Kent's no one is a stranger. She is Chloe's cousin for the Kent's that was enough to welcome her as family.

[SmallvilleMan]

Ah, i don't think clark is the one who would suffer from moving out......

[Superboy2]

Didn't Jonathan make a cradle for their baby in S2? Ta=hat was not Clark's room, so what happened to it? And come on, they only have 2 bedrooms? Why does Clark have to take the couch? There's a bed in the loft, right? Move that to the other bedroom.

BTW, about Clark and Lois bashing each other, Lois bashed AC, and she liked him. But she didn't bash Tim, who deserved much more than a bashing.

[UpandAtom]

Yeah. I don't believe that the house only has two bedrooms. Every other time, we've had Clark ask many people to stay at his home: Lex, Ryan, and Clark's grandfather. Why would they have them them stay over if they knew there wasn't going to be room?

[KryptoniteLacedPie]

It would've been nice if his parents told him, but at he same time, I think it was written that way to add humor to the show. Clark and Lois are always tossing sarcastic remarks at each other, and Lois suddenly staying at the Kents' house is a recipe for that. And besides, Lois has stayed at their house before, so it's not like Clark doesn't know her. Martha probably figured he wouldn't mind.

[loisnlana]

Clark offered her to stay with them the first two times. Go watch Season 4 again.

It's just Martha this time around, that's all.

Plus, Lois helped save the Kents at the start of Season 5.

[clois1938]

Originally posted by loisnlana
Clark offered her to stay with them the first two times. Go watch Season 4 again.

It's just Martha this time around, that's all.

Plus, Lois helped save the Kents at the start of Season 5.
Exactly! People forget Clark's the one that invited her before. Plus as Clark said during their "I won't tell if you won't tell" banter in the Lucy ep, they are friends. Clark likes Lois quite a bit, but their bickering is their schtick. :D

[RedQ]

Clana hooked in 5.02 Mortal.

[RedKryptonClark]

From practically the second that Lois shows up on the scene, Martha *sees* that there is something going on between her and Clark.

You'll find that before season 4 started she was always trying to push Clark and Lana together, yet after season 4 her tune started to change to "There's a girl out there somewhere for you Clark."

Martha knows that there's something about Lois that just "clicks" with her special son. Lois in turn really adores Martha and I think in some ways Martha's nurturing side comes out to Lois which is why she asks her to stay with them whever Lois is in need of shelter.

Clark makes snide comments about Lois all of the time to Martha but she just shakes them off - she's got mother's instinct going for her that her son's not being honest w/ his own feelings towards Lois. She just happens to do whatever she can in order to allow them to spend more time together to see if anything does/can happen.

[lya24]

[quote=whiteflag;1567297]Just MY opinion on this, (fully respecting the others, of course):

Lois really invited herself the first time. She practically forced it on Clark. And for no good reason at all.


Actually the very first time Clark invited Lois to stay with them. And then the second time Lois did trick Clark into staying but if you can see in Clark's face he wasn't upset. He was just confused on what she did it. It was funny and I believe Clark thought so too and the smirk on his face proves it.

What I don't get is why everyone says Lois just barged in the Kents home and invited herself to stay. That isn't how it happened at all. And Clark and Lois do not hate eachother. The writers wrote Lois and Clark realtionship with all the banter, to add some humor in the show and it works. Because Lois and Clark are hilarious together. And as for Clark not liking Lois, that isn't true. Yeah she does annoy sometimes and vice versa. But that is the beauty of thier realtionship. You can tell that everyday thier friendship is growing into an epic love story soon. They won't even realize what hit them.

I think the reason why allot of you who have negative comments about Lois is because your Team Clana. And there is nothing wrong with that. I was once all for Clana. But Lois is Clark's future love/wife. That is just the way it is and always will be. Do you really think that Lana Lang can keep up with future Clark/Superman? No she can't. But Lois Lane can.

[phoephoe]

LOL, I'm not team much of anything any more. I was always a Clark & Lois fan from the comics and movies and of course the Dean Cain/Teri Hatcher series. I was a fan of Lana in the beginning and I never disliked her, I also don't think I had a negative attitude towards Lois, I just felt she didn't belong in Smallville because it wasn't cannon. She belonged in Metropolis and not in Clark's highschool.

LOL you responded to a post of mine from 4 years ago. I was impressed I knew my sign in info still. I haven't watched much of Smallville in the past couple years. And when I did it always seemed that Clark wasn't on it so I gave up. What's Smallville without the main character? I know he hasn't left but it just happened to be my timing.

[MjLaDy08]

Martha knew Clark better than anyone... Clark is his son... every breath, fart she knows... even though Lois and Clark are always bantering etc... She know deep inside that Clark doesn't mind at all.. Look at her when Lois and Clark are always fighting... She smiles... Coz Lois bring out everything in Clark... She saw how Clark happy, light and being himself when Lois around...