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Green Lantern
10-21-2005, 12:04 AM
Hello everyone.... it's been a long time....
What was that? WHAT WAS THAT???? THAT was terrible.... the jokes.... no good.... it was a filler episode that they got a little too excited about.....
Seriously..... It was a teeny bopper's dream and a fan's nightmare...... Bro? Who says that?? I haven't heard that since the early 90's ....
and the Junior Lifeguard's Association? Who do i shoot?.... so sad... yet another potentially awesome episode down the toilet.... Or should i compare it to a Sewage Pipe dumping into the Smallville Lake of Awesome Season 5..... ((perhaps thats the one joke that they didn't use....))
so sad... so angry...
Kreukie
10-21-2005, 12:08 AM
Agree. I was rolling my eyes throughout the whole episode mostly at Aquaflop.
neo_nate
10-21-2005, 12:09 AM
they can't all be jewels, look at last season!
DGreen
10-21-2005, 12:09 AM
u seriously think that was worse than "spell" or "ageless" or "lucy"......there are worse eps, but there are definitely much better ones as well
Green Lantern
10-21-2005, 12:09 AM
Thank you.... That is not the Arthur Curry of the comics...
smallvillerox05
10-21-2005, 12:21 AM
Bro? Who says that?? I haven't heard that since the early 90's ....
What? Didn't you watch Kinetic? ;)
Thank you.... That is not the Arthur Curry of the comics...
Is that part of why you didn't like it?
This episode is not the best of the series, or even season, but it was still good:
1. Good overall story.
2. GREAT scenes between Clark and Professor Fine!!! :D
3. Good to see that Clark and Lex still hate each other. Continuity is cool. :cool:
3.5. Speaking of continuity, how about that mention of Bart? Well, not by name, but he didn't need to say his name. ;)
4. Pretty great seeing A.C. go at Lex like that.
5. Great seeing Clark get protective of Lois. (always out of liking her more than he will admit ;)
6. Good fight scene between Clark and A.C.
This wasn't the best episode, they overdid some things:
1. Too many references to A.C. living/being like a fish. We get the point already!
2. I laughed at the JLA reference, but also thought it was slight overkill.
All in all though, this was a good episode imo. I guess I had even more reason to enjoy it because I know next to nothing about the character in the comics and the cartoons, so I was able to enjoy it for what it was. :)
Brainiac_13
10-21-2005, 12:33 AM
Damn, I thought this was an Ageless thread.
I liked the JLA reference myself.
NotTodayPete
10-21-2005, 12:33 AM
good episode, lousy thread
smallvillerox05
10-21-2005, 12:41 AM
I kinda liked the JLA reference too. I like it it was overkill I like it it was overkill. I'm very conflicted. :lol:
Crispin Glover
10-21-2005, 12:43 AM
It was much better then "Mortal." The only good thing about "Mortal" was Clark beating up Lex.
Steelegrave
10-21-2005, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by NotTodayPete
good episode, lousy thread
Damn straight.
BlueNRed2
10-21-2005, 12:52 AM
It wasnt the greatest episode compared to the last three(imo) but it had its moments. I liked the JLA nod and some of the aqua references but it did go overkill. It was pretty much what i expected tho.
bembol
10-21-2005, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Crispin Glover
It was much better then "Mortal." The only good thing about "Mortal" was Clark beating up Lex.
Don't forget the "Chloeveage" :D
I edited everything out except the Opening Credits and Clark & Lex Rumble :D
About Aquaman...
Can we can't expect an 'Arrival" or "Hidden" every week...episodes like these are "fillers."
Randy G.
10-21-2005, 01:26 AM
Well, I guess you can't please everybody. :\
Personally, I think it was a great episode. I tend to like a wide variety of stuff though. :)
Dannyblue1
10-21-2005, 01:33 AM
This was definately no "Ageless", but it was kinda "meh", and felt like it was lacking something. It never seemed to get going and really take off.
Too bad, since I was hoping for another "Run". But it wasn't to be.
I too started rolling my eyes at some of the jokes and foreshadowing. It was a little too over the top. But I just let it slide.
vyperman7
10-21-2005, 01:45 AM
This was definately not the worst episode ever.
That award goes to Ageless - the most pointless episode ever. The reason I really hate Ageless, besides the plot, is the placement in the season. If it had been at the start of the season, no biggie. But towards the end of a season, you are hoping for episodes that really build anticipation for the finale.
Aqua had some really enjoyable stuff in it - The Clois forshadowing, the reference to both Bart and the JLA, insight into Lex, and the start of the relationship between Brainiac and Clark.
However, in an episode like Aqua, the appeal of the episode is the introduction of a new hero and how that hero interacts with Clark. Take Run for example. We got a grand entrance for Bart, cool displays of his power, great interaction between Clark and him, and a great send off with the race at the end. Run is still one of my all time favorite episodes because it excelled at what it was supposed to excell at.
Aqua spent time with the AC/Lois romance, the sub-plot involving Leviathin, the fallout with Clark and Lex, etc.. Usually in a regular episode, the sub plots that helped to establish future events would be awesome. But not in this type of episode.
The obvious highlight was Erica in a bikini. My god!! However, I don't necessarily consider that to be a good thing. Even something as amazing as ED in a bikini, should come second to solid storytelling and acting. Speaking of acting the guy who played A.C. was terrible and overused the word "bro". It was funny the first time when Clark sarchastically called A.C. bro as well. But it got old really fast.
So while Aqua was somewhat enjoyable and set up future events in the season, it did not match up to Run. The interaction between Clark and AC was not that great, we did not get that many displays of AC's power, and there was no grand send off. All we got was a "stay super bro".
I was also somewhat dissapointed with the battle between AC and Clark underwater. It didn't last long enough, and after Clark had been hit by the waterblast the first time around, why just stand there waiting to get hit again?
abarsami
10-21-2005, 01:59 AM
I didn't like it. The actors tried too hard. It was sucky.
BeepBeep
10-21-2005, 02:06 AM
It was very much subpar, but there have been much worse episodes.
Erok-El
10-21-2005, 02:08 AM
Well, you're sucky. :p
Don't flame me, I'm joking.
UDStyle
10-21-2005, 02:21 AM
Wasn't really that bad. The speech that came out of aquaman was a little corny but there have been worse episodes.
vikingjedi
10-21-2005, 02:49 AM
I thought it was good. Not the best ever but definitely worth watching.
thmallville
10-21-2005, 06:21 AM
A.C. looked soooo fake in his muscle shirts and such, it made me laugh. Lois was very annoying, and it had like no storyline. I almost fell asleep. I was counting down the minutes until it was over. ugh!! I mean, seriously, I would expect this from a filler episode from Season 1!! Lana had no part in it at all, and Lex was weirder than he usually is.
diabla9
10-21-2005, 06:27 AM
yeah i don't forsee AR getting his own auqaman series anytime soon, man he's a horrible actor! he was extremely hot though, i'll give him that :p
lex was pretty cool though, nice touch with the poison dart. and it was kinda cool that clark tells chloe about how ac isn't a meteor freak and tells her about the flash, when lois is drowning i got a kick out of when chloe was just like, "lois has been under for way too long, something's up" then she's like "go" and off clark goes to save the day! :D
definatley not the best episode but after last week i knew this one wouldn't really compare. next week looks worse than auqa though...vampire lana:lol:
SnarkMasterJ
10-21-2005, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Dannyblue1
This was definately no "Ageless", but it was kinda "meh", and felt like it was lacking something. It never seemed to get going and really take off.
Too bad, since I was hoping for another "Run". But it wasn't to be.
I too started rolling my eyes at some of the jokes and foreshadowing. It was a little too over the top. But I just let it slide.
What she said.
It didn't suck, but after last week's ep, it was a definite step down.
freddielm
10-21-2005, 09:19 AM
HOw can you not like the episode? It had a bunch of good things, Lois in a bikini and that underwater fight between AC and Clark, that was awesome!
ClarksNextGF
10-21-2005, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Green Lantern
Hello everyone.... it's been a long time....
What was that? WHAT WAS THAT???? THAT was terrible.... the jokes.... no good.... it was a filler episode that they got a little too excited about.....
Seriously..... It was a teeny bopper's dream and a fan's nightmare...... Bro? Who says that?? I haven't heard that since the early 90's ....
and the Junior Lifeguard's Association? Who do i shoot?.... so sad... yet another potentially awesome episode down the toilet.... Or should i compare it to a Sewage Pipe dumping into the Smallville Lake of Awesome Season 5..... ((perhaps thats the one joke that they didn't use....))
so sad... so angry...
I agree completely !!! It was HORRIBLE !!! It was worse than LUCY !!
At least Ageless had SOME character development - not much, but something. This had nothing.
Lucy had some pretty cool special effects and some background story. This had nothing.
There was no chemistry - anywhere. not with Clark & Lois, not with Lois & AC, not even Clark & Lana. :mad:
Dannyblue1
10-21-2005, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by freddielm
HOw can you not like the episode? It had a bunch of good things, Lois in a bikini and that underwater fight between AC and Clark, that was awesome!
See, it takes more than a few good pieces here and there to make for a good episode. Now, this ep had quite a few good pieces. But they didn't make for a great whole.
Also, Lois in a bikini had no effect on me, being a straight female and all. But AC and TW shirtless sure made me happy. But that isn't enough to make an episode good.
And the underwater fight was...Well, like the episode, there were some good parts, but it lacked something.
And, Clark, you might not be able to swim as fast as AC, but you can still swim pretty fast. Why the heck were you just sitting there waiting for the second water blast? You saw it coming long before it actually did. Your eyes widened in fright and everything. So move, darnit!
smlvilleluva
10-21-2005, 09:59 AM
i completely agree... the acting was completely horrible. i have to say that alan ritchson seems to have just pushed aquaman further into obscurity and dislike.
i thought that erica did a great job given the lack of alan's acting skills. kristin and allison were very good given their few lines.
MattKS
10-21-2005, 10:19 AM
I didn't much like Arthur's character and his continuous "bro" "bro", he seemed so wooden to me. I didn't MAJORLY dislike the episode as a whole, it just bugged me because I thought the show was getting back on track this season and this seemed kind of off-key. Not sure what I am going to make of next weeks episode either, it looked... well.... weird.
Ultron
10-21-2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by NotTodayPete
good episode, lousy thread
Agreed. There have been better episodes, but really, we finally got to see the development of another bona fide superhero and his visit to Smallville. Considering it's Aquaman, there have to be some constructs to get him in Smallville, and with the material they had, I think they did the best they could. And I think they did a good job with a young Aquaman, before he finds his destiny as the King of Atlantis.
zagen
10-21-2005, 10:40 AM
A.C was a huge disaippontment for me. i never was a big fan of his character but this was just to much.
''bro'' should be banned form smallville for ever, i actually started laughing at a.c after a couple scenes :)
the fight (if you can even call it a fight) was also a let down. ED in bikini was fricking hot (she looked amazing all though out the episode) but that doesnt make an episode good. And Lois is supposed to be an bad-ass armybrat not some random girl that is swept of her feet by some guy that makes corny pick-up lines :(
if would have been ok if had just been a fling, but they whole end scene were lois actually seemed sad that he left.. come on he wasnt that great..
and besides all that i would have liked to see some sort of an Clois moment (the closing episode didnt even come close to being clois worthy)
DarkChilde
10-21-2005, 11:03 AM
It was better than some of the trash last season. But it was not too bad for an Aquaman episode. I was hoping Clark would have told him
"Why don't you go talk to some fish and let us 'real' heroes save the world"
But of course I had very low expectations for this episode before I watched. I have even lower expectations on next weeks "Buffy rip-off".
LexLuthorMetropolis
10-21-2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Ultron
Agreed. There have been better episodes, but really, we finally got to see the development of another bona fide superhero and his visit to Smallville. Considering it's Aquaman, there have to be some constructs to get him in Smallville, and with the material they had, I think they did the best they could. And I think they did a good job with a young Aquaman, before he finds his destiny as the King of Atlantis.
I have to agree as well. Aqua did great for what material it had to deal with and I truly didn't think they could bring A.C. to Smallville and they did it in a unique way. He may not have been played by the best actor in the world, but we really got a sense of who he is and how different he and Clark were.
Don't even get me started on how great I felt Lois in a bikini was. I'm still drooling over the idea of it.
Addictedtosmllvill
10-21-2005, 11:24 AM
I didn't like it. It wasn't horrible, it was a filler episode. Yes, it was better than most of last season, but the reason it bothers me is because I can hear the ratings trickling away. We need to hook people again before bringing in the fillers.
FaaipDeOiad31
10-21-2005, 11:28 AM
I agree that our Aquaman actor was rather poor, but considering Aquaman isn't good around people anywa (remember JLA Year 1??) it had me convinced. Although, 'bro' was pretty lame. Also, the dialouge between Clark and AC was good... 'cause they always shoot back at one another with the "Clark" and the "Arthur" when they get irked with one another. This was definitly not the worst episode ever. Ageless was the worst episode ever.
Steelegrave
10-21-2005, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Addictedtosmllvill
I didn't like it. It wasn't horrible, it was a filler episode. Yes, it was better than most of last season, but the reason it bothers me is because I can hear the ratings trickling away. We need to hook people again before bringing in the fillers.
I don't see why everyone is calling this ep "filler"? The interaction between Clark and AC goes a long way to molding Clark into the man he will become. I think this ep had more to do with advancing the character than any so far this season, with the possible exception of Arrival.
In "Run", Clark meets another "super" who helps him embrace the specialness of his abilities and push him away from the "woe is me I'm different attitude."
In "Aqua", Clark is shown what his "specialness" can do for all of humanity, neh the entire planet. Shown his destiny if you will.
We see Bart as Clark's independence and Arthur as his responsiblity. Both interactions have huge relevence to the man he will become. It was well done in that Bart was younger than Clark and more freespirited and Aquaman older and more driven.
For the comicbook afficiando this was, I think, a momentous episode and I can also see where it could be a letdown for those that come to the story just through SV or those unfortunates who have the crappy movies as their guideposts.
Some of the most Classic scenes of SV history came in this ep; for me anyway. I could just picture Superman and Aquaman interegating Lex in that scene with Lex Clark and AC. I personally loved the JLA references but understand those scenes were very comicbooky. And I didn't mind AC's surfer language, although I do agree the acting was hackish. Young Arthur Curry was, in the books, a surfer so I thought that fit although it may have been a bit over-the-top.
In any good serial story you have essentially three types of installment, those that advance the storyline, filler to take up space, and character development. This was a character development episode for Clark and very much for Lex. Remember this show is essentially a character study of two great men that growup in different directions and eventually become archenemies. Didn't anyone see the lines being drawn in this episode. Clark has made his choice to walk with the Angels and Lex has decided to become the devil. Now of course, you'll say this has been happening for awhile, but I saw this as a defining moment for both characters.
Definately not "filler". Don't dismiss the character building eps, that's the good stuff.
:cool:
Dannyblue1
10-21-2005, 12:42 PM
I agree about the term filler. People use it far too loosely and usually incorrectly. "Aqua" was not, technically, a filler episode. Being a filler means you could skip it without missing anything, which I don't think is true of this ep. Also, just because an episode is a filler doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Some of my favorite episodes of various shows are fillers.
However, just because Clark meets pre-Aquaman in this ep, which is a nod to the comics, doesn't make this ep automatically good. That meeting was an element, like dialog is. But, just as you can have so-so dialog, I thought this meeting was also so-so. When Clark met Bart last season, it felt like a big deal. (And that last racing scene was awesome!) Clark meeting AC...not so much. There was nothing awesome about it. Sadly, the most I can say about the meeting is it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
tigertim
10-21-2005, 01:08 PM
So far Season 5 of Smallville is AWESOME. AQUA may not be the best episode ever. But It's NOT the worst episode ever either. However it was a good episode.
Green Lantern
10-21-2005, 01:17 PM
Alright guys.... I wasn't railing on the whole episode... just the main plot.....
In the comics.... Aquaman is Royalty and he acts like it..... Any fan of the comics would be SO insulted by the character they gave....
On the other hand i thought Marsters was great and the relationship that's being developed is a cool way to bring in that version of the character...
Chloe was the hotness in this episode.
Lois was cool but they lost the character a bit in the dreamy lovey dove stuff....
Yes.... Seeing Clark and Arthur against Lex ROCKED HARDCORE
They need to stop the puns..... 2 or 3 is cute... and i could live with the JLA thing but PLEASE make them stop doin every other line.... it's even becoming a bit much when Chloe does it....
There were some excellent points in the episode.... I just didn't like what they did with arthur.... at all..... in any way shape or form....
ISUZU
10-21-2005, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by NotTodayPete
good episode, lousy thread
I have not seen the episode but from what I have read - this episode is what Smallville was all about in the first season. From the 2nd season it has become a soap opera with very few filler episodes. It maybe that he original poster wanted the Green Lantern instead of Aquaman - that would would have made his/her day.
ImissVancouver
10-21-2005, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by NotTodayPete
good episode, lousy thread
lol......... i agree, AQUAMAN ROCKS! BRO!!!!! :rotfl:
I loved it!!!
http://www.alanritchson.com/images/gallery/Alan5.jpg
Green Lantern
10-21-2005, 01:26 PM
First to comment... Yes... i would love to see them work that in...
next.... Yeah it's kinda like S1 ....
What truely irked me about this episode was the cheese.... it swiss'd everywhere.... and i hate that..... like i said above.... i can deal with a little bit.... just can't stand the overload
Steelegrave
10-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Green Lantern
First to comment... Yes... i would love to see them work that in...
next.... Yeah it's kinda like S1 ....
What truely irked me about this episode was the cheese.... it swiss'd everywhere.... and i hate that..... like i said above.... i can deal with a little bit.... just can't stand the overload
GL
As an apparent comic fan I'm surprised by your dislike of this one. It glared "comicbook" to me.
Yeah it was cheese, most comics are.
I didn't feel AC drifted too far from the character. How would a 20 yr old(?) prince with superpowers act? Seems like they wrote it pretty well to me. The acting was atrocious and maybe that's why he came off superficial.
Dont know but I enjoyed the hell out of it. For what it was. Didn't advance any real plotlines except, of course, the main one. Clark v Lex. And man did it have alot of "this is your destiny" power.
It is, however, as always "to each his own":cool:
LEXCLARK
10-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by DGreen
u seriously think that was worse than "spell" or "ageless" or "lucy"......there are worse eps, but there are definitely much better ones as well
Thank you, especially for throwing "spell" and "ageless" out there....those were the two worst ever of the show. Aqua wasn't great as so far Smallville is 0-2 on episodes involving other superhero's...."Run" with the Flash was no picnic either. I think the writers think that just by having some cool superhero, it will draw an audience. Maybe but with the story they developed that one and Aqua, they sure won't maintain that audience. After last night I'm getting fed up with this new direction of cool characters....let's go back to what made us all Smallville fans in the first place. GOOD STORY'S. But there's going to be the "filler" episodes. Last night was one of those. At least the season 4 fillers were funny for the most part, but last night wasn't even funny. Well except for Aqua's HORRENDOUS acting. That was a RIOT! Never invite him back please...or just long enough for Lex to SINK HIM ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Spoon AZ
10-21-2005, 02:09 PM
I agree with NotTodayPete.
This was a solid episode. Very entertaining. Very fast paced.
Hands down the coolest Aquaman has ever been.
I'm really surprised how divided the fans seem to be on this one.
RedKalEL
10-21-2005, 02:54 PM
yea me too I thought this was a great episode it's amasing how people are syaing stuff about it like it was ageless or somthing and i like the bro stuff because i guess tyhey wanted to make like a california kind of guy and not only that but the lois eye candy that was GREAT
zagen
10-21-2005, 04:07 PM
his head freaks me out :(
Conduit
10-21-2005, 04:41 PM
I don't know if it's the worst episode ever, but it's certainly in the top 3 as far as I'm concerned.
Here are my thoughts on the trainwreck known as Aqua (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1544534#post1544534)
Thil_EL
10-21-2005, 04:57 PM
worse than facade??
come on who you kidin!
Hellbinder
10-21-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I agree with NotTodayPete.
This was a solid episode. Very entertaining. Very fast paced.
Hands down the coolest Aquaman has ever been.
I'm really surprised how divided the fans seem to be on this one.
I am afraid it comes down to the simple "I care about DC/I don't care about DC" factor.
I agree about Aquaman though. DC should look at the power-up AlMiles gave him in this episode and work off it. They gave him a credibility that he has never been able to hold in the comic. Kudos to AlMiles on that one.
Green Lantern
10-21-2005, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Steelegrave
GL
As an apparent comic fan I'm surprised by your dislike of this one. It glared "comicbook" to me.
Yeah it was cheese, most comics are.
I didn't feel AC drifted too far from the character. How would a 20 yr old(?) prince with superpowers act? Seems like they wrote it pretty well to me. The acting was atrocious and maybe that's why he came off superficial.
Dont know but I enjoyed the hell out of it. For what it was. Didn't advance any real plotlines except, of course, the main one. Clark v Lex. And man did it have alot of "this is your destiny" power.
It is, however, as always "to each his own":cool:
VERY TRUE... To each his own
And yes what it comes down to is it would've been better if the dude could act
DARKRAGE
10-21-2005, 07:43 PM
IF SPOILERS U WILL READ THEN SCORNED U WILL BE
Loved the episode on its own comparing it to run is stupid, maybe there are parralleles but who care was very enjoyable
thmallville
10-21-2005, 09:15 PM
A.C. looked like some sort of action figure with his muscles.
Look kiddies, it's the Aquaman action figure with karate chop action arm movements and he's even water resistant!!His arm circumfrence is 1 1/2" and if you pull the string on his back, he'll say seven phrases including:
"Come on, bro!"
"I love water!"
"Fish are fast. I'm faster"
"Wanna have a water race? I'll win!"
And many more!! So tell mommy and daddy to but you the official A.C. action figure today!!
:lol: :P
Originally posted by zagen
his head freaks me out :(
I couldn't agree more..that is the worst proportioned face I have ever seen. He has a face only his mother (and Lois) could love.
CloisFan
10-21-2005, 10:10 PM
oh please, it wasnt that bad. sheesh. a whole thread about it being bad? what was so bad? The JLA? pshh
smallvillerox05
10-21-2005, 11:38 PM
Lana had no part in it at all
That was a reason why I liked it. :lol:
i have to say that alan ritchson seems to have just pushed aquaman further into obscurity and dislike.
How is that possible? This is the first time Aquaman has ever been featured in an official live action tv show. He was never in an official movie or tv show before this. How does that push him to obscurity?
I don't see why everyone is calling this ep "filler"? The interaction between Clark and AC goes a long way to molding Clark into the man he will become. I think this ep had more to do with advancing the character than any so far this season, with the possible exception of Arrival.
In "Run", Clark meets another "super" who helps him embrace the specialness of his abilities and push him away from the "woe is me I'm different attitude."
In "Aqua", Clark is shown what his "specialness" can do for all of humanity, neh the entire planet. Shown his destiny if you will.
We see Bart as Clark's independence and Arthur as his responsiblity. Both interactions have huge relevence to the man he will become. It was well done in that Bart was younger than Clark and more freespirited and Aquaman older and more driven.
For the comicbook afficiando this was, I think, a momentous episode and I can also see where it could be a letdown for those that come to the story just through SV or those unfortunates who have the crappy movies as their guideposts.
Some of the most Classic scenes of SV history came in this ep; for me anyway. I could just picture Superman and Aquaman interegating Lex in that scene with Lex Clark and AC. I personally loved the JLA references but understand those scenes were very comicbooky. And I didn't mind AC's surfer language, although I do agree the acting was hackish. Young Arthur Curry was, in the books, a surfer so I thought that fit although it may have been a bit over-the-top.
In any good serial story you have essentially three types of installment, those that advance the storyline, filler to take up space, and character development. This was a character development episode for Clark and very much for Lex. Remember this show is essentially a character study of two great men that growup in different directions and eventually become archenemies. Didn't anyone see the lines being drawn in this episode. Clark has made his choice to walk with the Angels and Lex has decided to become the devil. Now of course, you'll say this has been happening for awhile, but I saw this as a defining moment for both characters.
Definately not "filler". Don't dismiss the character building eps, that's the good stuff.
:cool:
Amen, couldn't have said it better myself. :D
In the comics.... Aquaman is Royalty and he acts like it..... Any fan of the comics would be SO insulted by the character they gave....
Um, shouldn't we expect him to be different? He's not royalty and not mature yet.
Smallville is 0-2 on episodes involving other superhero's...."Run" with the Flash was no picnic either.
Just out of curiosity, why don't you like Run? That was one of my faves from s4!! :)
As for Alan: Why do some people have to resort to criticizing people's appearances?! For crying out loud, if you guys want to criticize the show, do it. But nitpicking someone's appearance is unnecessary.
And as to his acting, this is one of his first acting roles. Unless it comes naturally to you (which it doesn't to most), you need experience before you can be a good actor. To prove my point: look at Tom's acting in season one and look at it now. Sure they could have casted someone else to be A.C., but acting is a catch 22: you can't get better until you have some experience, and you can't get experience because people won't hire you because you aren't as good.
Basically, please give the guy a break. From what I've heard by someone who interviewed him, he really is a nice guy.
This is my restated opinion, slightly edited to add though:
This episode is not the best of the series, or even season, but it was still good:
1. Good overall story.
2. GREAT scenes between Clark and Professor Fine!!! :D
3. Good to see that Clark and Lex still don't trust each other. Continuity is cool. :cool:
3.5. Speaking of continuity, how about that mention of Bart? Well, not by name, but he didn't need to say his name. ;)
4. Pretty great seeing A.C. go at Lex like that.
5. Great seeing Clark get protective of Lois. (always out of liking her more than he will admit ;)
6. Good fight scene between Clark and A.C.
7. Professor Fine comparing Lex to Hitler, then Clark admitting he was right.
This wasn't the best episode, they overdid some things:
1. Too many references to A.C. living/being like a fish. We get the point already!
2. I laughed at the JLA reference, but also thought it was slight overkill.
All in all though, this was a good episode imo. I guess I had even more reason to enjoy it because I know next to nothing about the character in the comics and the cartoons, so I was able to enjoy it for what it was. :)
Oh, and I'm never online during the airing of the episode. I usually rewind the tape right after the episode and watch again. I'm usually not even online until after 10 p.m. central time. So that's where I was.
lana&Clark4ever
10-21-2005, 11:52 PM
uhhh YEA THIS EPISODE sUCKED BAAAAD!! but i still think krypto and lucy were the WORST ones too.:D
BeepBeep
10-21-2005, 11:54 PM
I think one of the reasons it fell flat for me is because it was almost entirely hinged on the acting abilities of TW, ED and AR, as they take up about 95% of the episode and it just reinforced the reservations I have about their ability to carry an episode, particularly TW. I honestly feel that if they had been able to showcase the conflicting emotions of their characters, this episode would have been substantially better. Instead, I was left puzzled at a lot of the character interaction.
I don't think ED is a terrible actor, but I do feel as though she rarely rises above mediocre. I think she had a couple of moments in the episode where I felt she conveyed Lois' emotions well (particularly her panic when Aquaman crawls out of the water with his ears bleeding) but I didn't see the emotion that is necessary for a romantic storyline. It felt very halted and I was left with the impression that it was nothing more than a little summer fling, especially considering the lack of emotion showed during the scene where Aquaman leaves.
I have not hid my thoughts about TW's acting ability, or lack thereof, and that he has regressed significantly since S3. I wish he was a great actor, since I really like him as a person (ditto ED, who seems incredibly sweet). However, I am getting increasingly frustrated with the blank, emotionless stares and droning monotones. This episode could have greatly advanced Clark's character in my eyes if he actually used facial expressions to actually convey the conflicting emotions he has raging on inside of him, particularly with his growing rift with Lex. Even a single look that would convey his decision between a person he has considered his friend for 4 years versus a man he has just met would have greatly redeemed the Clark character for me. Heck, even a look of regret at what he thinks Lex has become would have satisfied me. Instead I just felt my dislike for Clark grow as he plunged into another self-righteous, hypocritical rant completely devoid of any emotion.
I found myself shaking my head at AR's acting, but it did not bug me as much as TW's because, as a single-episode character, I think he showcased well-enough what Aquaman is all about, with the exception of the love storyline, which fell flat. It is one of those rare occasions for me where an actor can be poor but still get the job done.
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 12:00 AM
I know I must be increasingly annoying, but if you insist on coming to this board and saying that this episode royally sucked and was the worst ever, would you mind saying why you think that? Isn't much point otherwise, just a bunch of people saying that it sucked without elaborating. Doesn't add anything to the conversation. ;)
lana&Clark4ever
10-22-2005, 12:02 AM
^^^cuz that's how i feel.... it just sucked period
i don't want to say anything harsh about the acting skills;)
GatorTex
10-22-2005, 12:03 AM
I think overall this episode was weak but what made it for me was not Aquaman obviously. It was Clark and Fine/Brainiac starting to converse and eventually work together against Lex. That was intense! Can't wait to see this play out.
BeepBeep
10-22-2005, 12:04 AM
You feel that way because that's how you feel?
O..k..
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 12:25 AM
K, you got me on the acting thing, guess I need to relax a bit. But is there anything besides that? Now I'm just curious. :p
Lord_Balthaazar
10-22-2005, 01:28 AM
I for one loved it, this James Masters character of brainiac is highly interesting and I was just in shock that a brittish accent didnt come out of his mouth hehe.
I was growing nervous about the new Lex, hes becoming a little too reckless and dark too soon, but when Clark came and kind of let Lex know he still had faith in him, or did until now) that was very sad, he told Lex about the professer with this look on his face, remembering when he still had faith in Lex Luthor, his friend, "Did you tell him about my pitchfork?" *smirking, uncaring* "..I defended you.." looks saddened and filled with dissapointment in someone who could have been a great man if he only gave it a try, turned from his current path, but deeper and deeper he goes. "Guess I am Naive.." that look on Lex's face, thats more the Lex we all know, and you can tell hell at least realize for even moment, and it may hold him back from turning too dark, too soon, in future episodes, at least for now.
Even if its only brief , his doubting of himself, there should be a scene where he decides and does something horrible instead of the right thing and continues darker into his future.
Great stuff, wasnt a fan of aqua boy, but it had other shining moments.
cmgames
10-22-2005, 04:40 AM
This was a very well put together episode where everything flowed. Compare the ludicrousy of the FOTW from 2 and 3 and there really is no comparison. Everything had a purpose, every scene, every actor was enjoyable. Less Chloe and less Lana made for a much better episode, maybe thats where all the bashing lies eh.
NotTodayPete
10-22-2005, 08:05 AM
anyone who didn't like this episode is a tool.
superman79
10-22-2005, 08:54 AM
I loved it!!!!!!
Magus
10-22-2005, 12:05 PM
Well, apparently the ratings don't agree with this thread. 6.4 million viewers saw it.
Dannyblue1
10-22-2005, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Magus
Well, apparently the ratings don't agree with this thread. 6.4 million viewers saw it.
Number one, ratings often have nothing to do with whether an episode itself is good or not. It often has as much to do with the episodes that preceded it. For example, the season started with three episodes people seemed to like a lot. Word-of-mouth about the season's promising start was spreading, bringing some viewers who left--because they felt last season was weak--back. And most of us really wanted to see another DC superhero on SV, so that was also a draw. (I know of one veiwer who watched SV for the first time since season 2 because of Aquaman.) And, come on, that promo was cool.
So, really, there are lots of factors that play into ratings. And, fact is, nobody knows whether an episode will be good or not until they actually see it.
Number two, nobody's right or wrong here. It's about opinion. If you really liked the episode, good for you. I didn't hate the episode, I just didn't think it was particularly strong.
Different strokes and all that.
thehenry89
10-22-2005, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by lana&Clark4ever
uhhh YEA THIS EPISODE sUCKED BAAAAD!! but i still think krypto and lucy were the WORST ones too.:D
sure lucy sucked but come on you know krypto was cute
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 04:01 PM
Yeah, that dog was sexy, that episode really had stuff going for it. :p
Sorry, I'm about 1/5 insane. :lol:
thehenry89
10-22-2005, 04:03 PM
a sexy dog thats a new one on me
lol
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 04:12 PM
Seriously, I love the part of that episode when the dog dragged the tractor through the fence. Chloe covered for Clark and he didn't even do anything! :rotfl:
MBCorp
10-22-2005, 04:19 PM
Nobody who has seen Ageless can call Aqua the worst episode ever. Ageless is the yardstick by which all bad episodes are measured, and so far no episode yet has reached its depths of pure awfullness.
warriorrenegade
10-22-2005, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by MBCorp
Nobody who has seen Ageless can call Aqua the worst episode ever. Ageless is the yardstick by which all bad episodes are measured, and so far no episode yet has reached its depths of pure awfullness.
So true. That is one hour of my life I will never get back.:mad:
Old Juan
10-22-2005, 04:26 PM
Aqua was a mediocre episode. It had some promising ideas but unfortunately bad acting brought it down some.
Green Lantern
10-22-2005, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by smallvillerox05
I know I must be increasingly annoying, but if you insist on coming to this board and saying that this episode royally sucked and was the worst ever, would you mind saying why you think that? Isn't much point otherwise, just a bunch of people saying that it sucked without elaborating. Doesn't add anything to the conversation. ;)
if you read what i was sayin you'd see my reasons
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 04:49 PM
I wasn't talking to you Green Lantern. In fact, I wasn't talking to anyone in particular. I'm just sick of people posting about why they hated an episode without saying anything about why they feel that way. Would a "I don't like the episode because it had too many references to fish and I was disappointed by the acting." or a "I don't like it because they spent too much time focusing on A.C. and Lois and not enough time with Professor Fine and Lex." be too hard?
About his acting: I got tired of people continually using words like "suck" and "horrible", just thought there are nicer ways of putting it. :)
MBCorp
10-22-2005, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by smallvillerox05
I wasn't talking to you Green Lantern. In fact, I wasn't talking to anyone in particular. I'm just sick of people posting about why they hated an episode without saying anything about why they feel that way. Would a "I don't like the episode because it had too many references to fish and I was disappointed by the acting." or a "I don't like it because they spent too much time focusing on A.C. and Lois and not enough time with Professor Fine and Lex." be too hard?
About his acting: I got tired of people continually using words like "suck" and "horrible", just thought there are nicer ways of putting it. :)
If I'm herring you right, then you're tired of people who carp about the episode for no porpoise and whose arguments flounder when put to test? Once in a whale I creel that ray too.
ETA: Actually, I don't. I just wanted to get the bad fish puns in.:p
smallvillerox05
10-22-2005, 05:18 PM
If I'm herring you right, then you're tired of people who carp about the episode for no porpoise and whose arguments flounder when put to test? Once in a whale I creel that ray too.
ETA: Actually, I don't. I just wanted to get the bad fish puns in.:p
:lol: At least that added more to the conversation than a simple "This episode sucks!!!!"
Magus
10-22-2005, 10:50 PM
All smallville eps bring something to the table tho. Ageless was cool cause u saw evil lionel again in the end.
SuperToad
10-22-2005, 11:54 PM
This episode wasn't that bad. Next week's is going to be really dumb. First witches...now vampires...WTF.
smallvillerox05
10-23-2005, 12:07 AM
Thirst will not be a highlight of season 5, but it won't be a disaster like some claim Spell to be. It won't even be on the level of Spell because the vampire thing does not have the entire episode devoted to it like Isobel did with Spell. There will be some scenes with Fine that are very meaningful. Heck, the vampire story itself should be important for the Clana relationship as well as Chloe and Lex. This is not going to be like Spell. If anything, it'll be like Ageless. Only in structure, not as bad though. :p
GatorTex
10-23-2005, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by smallvillerox05
This is not going to be like Spell. If anything, it'll be like Ageless. Only in structure, not as bad though. :p
Oh my goodness....let's hope not. What a snooze if so!
thmallville
10-25-2005, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by MBCorp
If I'm herring you right, then you're tired of people who carp about the episode for no porpoise and whose arguments flounder when put to test? Once in a whale I creel that ray too.
ETA: Actually, I don't. I just wanted to get the bad fish puns in.:p
Haha!! I am laughing my fins off....
Green Lantern
10-25-2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by smallvillerox05
Um, shouldn't we expect him to be different? He's not royalty and not mature yet.
He IS royalty and what would it matter? It's like saying a Puppy can't play because it hasn't matured yet. It's how the character is. Always has been.
SmalliesMatt
10-25-2005, 12:53 PM
I am in South Africa and right now this very minute they are broadcasting 'Spell'. It was the WORST ever ep with Ageless.
I just saw Aqua today and was really expecting a really dissapointing ep. But i was quite pleased with it.
people are too picky at times .... :(
Supersonic
10-26-2005, 12:11 AM
u seriously think that was worse than "spell" or "ageless" or "lucy"..
x'D LOL So TRUE! Such bad Episodes! hahahhahahahaha
smallvillerox05
10-26-2005, 12:50 AM
He IS royalty and what would it matter? It's like saying a Puppy can't play because it hasn't matured yet. It's how the character is. Always has been.
Was he royalty in the comics at the age he appeared in Aqua?
And yes a puppy should play, but a puppy shouldn't be a mature dog when she is still a puppy. She should be a puppy until she grows into a mature dog.
Were you also disappointed in the fact that Clark and Lex aren't the same way they were in the comics? What about Bart? Why should Aquaman be mature like he was in the comics and no one else be?
SuperVillian
10-26-2005, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by LEXCLARK
Thank you, especially for throwing "spell" and "ageless" out there....those were the two worst ever of the show. Aqua wasn't great as so far Smallville is 0-2 on episodes involving other superhero's...."Run" with the Flash was no picnic either. I think the writers think that just by having some cool superhero, it will draw an audience. Maybe but with the story they developed that one and Aqua, they sure won't maintain that audience. After last night I'm getting fed up with this new direction of cool characters....let's go back to what made us all Smallville fans in the first place. GOOD STORY'S. But there's going to be the "filler" episodes. Last night was one of those. At least the season 4 fillers were funny for the most part, but last night wasn't even funny. Well except for Aqua's HORRENDOUS acting. That was a RIOT! Never invite him back please...or just long enough for Lex to SINK HIM ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Dude... Run was an awsome episode... and Flash was a sweet character representation...
As far as Aqua... it was probably the worst episode so far this season for me, though compared to the other 4 seasons I still thought this episode had merit and purpose... I was entertained so i'd have to say that I still liked the episode (just not as much as Arrival, Hidden, and Oh yes my fav, Mortal)
smallville_fetish
10-26-2005, 07:27 PM
amen supervillian.
i mean this aqua eppy wasnt THAT bad and pretty alright good compared to some other previous pointless random episodes. it just didnt meet my expectations (i can say same for some of you) especially to what became of this season with ARRIVAL (no more secrets n lies, *rolls eyes*) mortal (lex and clark fall out) hidden (bonding between clark n lana) and then suddenly aqua seems out of place and insignificant. it wasnt a complete waste though. clark and lana at least had a scene and clark surprisingly had a bandaid from the bullet wond that wasnt mentioned but sort of implied. we meet professor fine. they actually attempted with some continuity without putting out too many big plots and development (which is what i wanted) but overall though i didnt really enjoy it that much and wouldnt watch it a second time (like i watched mortal) but hey i survived. and so did you.
zanos
10-26-2005, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Green Lantern
Alright guys.... I wasn't railing on the whole episode... just the main plot.....
In the comics.... Aquaman is Royalty and he acts like it..... Any fan of the comics would be SO insulted by the character they gave....
But they dressed him in orange and green. That fixes everything.
They need to stop the puns..... 2 or 3 is cute... and i could live with the JLA thing but PLEASE make them stop doin every other line.... it's even becoming a bit much when Chloe does it....
They want to make sure you get it.
jimmyolsenblues
10-26-2005, 07:36 PM
THAT was terrible i happen to have loved the episode and it was very near and dear to my heart thank you.
Basest Rue
10-26-2005, 09:49 PM
I liked it, too. There were a few wincy moments, but for the most part, it was lighthearted and the story moved along, and it showed us something new about the characters -- especially Lex.
I'm w/ people on Ageless --- Eeeesh! For me, right up there w/ Nocturne from S2.)
But Aqua was fun.
BR
sstray72
10-27-2005, 12:50 AM
This episode defitately wasn't the worst episode.... ever, but it without a doubt was the GAYEST episode... EVER!!! :lol:
"Wet and ready, BRO!!" :rotfl:
Ageless still takes the cake as the most worthless hour of my time ever spent, and this episode had its redeeming moments. I'd give it a C grade, I enjoyed it and that's all I really ask, but it really wasn't that great.
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