View Full Version : Russian Woman Gives Birth to a Cyclops
Warning!: News link features a possibly disturbing image of the actual Cyclops. Viewer discretion is advised.
As seen on this Russian news website, 'Pravda.' (http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/359/15002_cyclops.html)
Here's the introductory paragraph:
The weird baby looked at the world with its only eye, took a breath of air with the trunk that was growing on its forehead, and died. Doctors of one of St.Petersburg hospitals told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper that it was an absolutely normal woman that gave birth to the incredible mutant-baby, which could be compared to a Cyclops. The female creature was covered with thick hair; it had only one eye in the center of its forehead and a small trunk that was growing on the head above the eye.
Well that's odd, to say the least. ;) :p
truemeathead
02-25-2005, 05:23 PM
That's crazy! Xmen style, they said mutant.
shirkie
02-25-2005, 06:23 PM
How can you put smiley and winky face icons after that? A couple was looking forward to a new baby, and it was born horribly defective and died. That's simply tragic! And now people are gawking at it in a jar? This world is sick.
shirkie
VersesBatman
02-25-2005, 09:33 PM
For some reason that picture looks fake.
Originally posted by VersesBatman
For some reason that picture looks fake.
That is what I am inferring by the smilies.
I am waiting for Snopes to debunk this falsity.
SailorV
02-26-2005, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by truemeathead
That's crazy! Xmen style, they said mutant.
:lol: That made me laugh.. heh
Yeah, the picture looks kind of fake. I hope if anyone finds out the truth they post about it.
Jellie
02-26-2005, 06:00 AM
thats a seriously funny picture
i luv tom welling
02-26-2005, 07:20 AM
I did a search and also found this article on a site that claims it's been "Telling lies on the Internet since 1947". I wouldn't take it too seriously ;)
Originally posted by i luv tom welling
I did a search and also found this article on a site that claims it's been "Telling lies on the Internet since 1947". I wouldn't take it too seriously ;)
*bows*
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/love/1/love30.gif
Thanks pet. ;)
VersesBatman
02-26-2005, 11:23 AM
I knew it as soon as I saw the picture. It looked like a puppet.
xxkittenstar
02-27-2005, 03:09 AM
fake fake fake
Um, Its not unusual for this to happen in those babies with three chromosome 13's (trisomy 13 or Patau Syndrome). They can have defects in forming facial structures causing cyclopia, cleft palate, having one nostril, and even their brains do not separate into hemipheres. I am not surpised, Thats could be this easily.
I'm sure thats exactly what this is.. The "trunk" is simply that the nose never separated in to two nostrils or a proboscis that might be there. Trisomy 13 is rare to carry to term, occurs 1:6000 live births and always results in severe debilitations.
Basically that picture looks like a clinical example of stuff I've seen in class.
Look at http://copernicus.subdomain.de/Cephalic_disorder under Holoprosencephaly (Meaning the brain did not separate into separate lobes)
"The most severe of the facial defects (or anomalies) is cyclopia, an abnormality characterized by the development of a single eye, located in the area normally occupied by the root of the nose, and a missing nose or a nose in the form of a proboscis (a tubular appendage) located above the eye."
So in other words, the picture is totally real real real.
Also might happen in Trisomy 18 (Edward's syndrome), but all the picutres I saw in class were Tri 13.
So its not a mutant, its like Down syndrome, only much, much worse.
shirkie
02-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Take a look at this picture and tell me if this looks like a laughing matter.
http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/Cyclop1.gif
More pics of the condition are available at http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/birth_defects.htm
shirkie
agree with you there, Shirkie. It is not a laughing matter. But cut them some slack, they thought it was a hoax, and to the medically ignorant, something looking like that does look fake.
mobiusklein
02-27-2005, 10:58 PM
I think that the preservation method also makes the poor baby look fake. After all, it's not something you WANT to believe is real. Though I still wouldn't laugh at it.
Mind you, I'd rather cremate or bury the poor baby.
Freckles
02-27-2005, 11:04 PM
Considering that the site advertised porn would be an indication that it was fake. :rolleyes:
xxkittenstar
02-28-2005, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by M.D.
Um, Its not unusual for this to happen in those babies with three chromosome 13's (trisomy 13 or Patau Syndrome). They can have defects in forming facial structures causing cyclopia, cleft palate, having one nostril, and even their brains do not separate into hemipheres. I am not surpised, Thats could be this easily.
So in other words, the picture is totally real real real.
I never said that it wasn't possible, but in this case It must be fake. The one in the picture doesn't even look human, the limbs are way too skinny and it's in a jar. The picture is fake. Like said considering that the site advertises porn indicates that it's fake.
Children born with severe abnormalities do not look human. I have seen pictures of babies that looked much worse than this. It looks real. Weird, but real. It looks like a child born with severe holoprosencephaly. The story associated with it is exaggerated, but the discription more or less matches clinical findings.
Just look at the site Shirkie posted: http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/HumanBioogy/birth_defects.htm
Most of those babies look worse off and were not faked.
Also, I've been in a room with several fetuses and babies (born with severe abnormalities) in jars.
xxkittenstar
02-28-2005, 06:34 PM
Well I still think that article is fake. They call it a weird creature. The story might be true but this website is not taking it seriously. If you look at the articles on the website it has "Russians conquered Mars 30 years ago" and "Humans learn to fly" and can't leave out "Israel opens gates of Hell"
I'm not talking about the site Shirkie posted.
You are right, the website is not taking it seriously, and the article is probably fake or exaggerated for effect. And since the website is a tabloid, I don't blame you for being skeptical. But the situation described and the picture is real enough, tragically.
(I was only using Shirkies site for purposes of comparing the picture, the pictures that were of real birth abnormalities in order to assess its realism. I understood what site you were referring to)
VersesBatman
02-28-2005, 06:40 PM
Oh I don't doubt this kind of deformity exsists, just that particular looked fake.
I've read an article about the boy "Mask" was based on.
I can't believe the people there didn't bury nor cremate the baby. It's still a human being after all. Dead, but human.
They have made her become a circus freak.
It's an unfair world, that's all I can say.
truemeathead
03-02-2005, 09:33 AM
THAT SUCKS SO BAD! That sight was just plain sad!
TATEone
03-02-2005, 11:27 AM
Man that pic is freaky looking. It almost doesnt look real.
I hope it is not used as a "circus freak", and I doubt it is on public display. This is a rare enough occurence that preserving it for an educational purpose is probably necessary, and the jar is probably sitting in some pathology department closet, not in some traveling display of oddities and freakish items. It is sad that someone used it for tabloid money, which is just as bad, and I am hoping it is not sold into some "private collection." Unfortunately, some areas of the world do not have the same regulations on human tissue that the US does...
kal-EltheRebel
03-04-2005, 10:50 AM
did u see the news on the side i think that side is definitally fake
pacofajita
03-05-2005, 08:16 PM
And people want to outlaw abortion...
NorthOfNever
03-06-2005, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by pacofajita
And people want to outlaw abortion...
I agree, I'd certainly call that a case of medical, and even moral necessity. If the child did indeed have Tri 13 it couldn't have lived long beyond birth anyway, but any baby born with such severe abnormalities simply could not enjoy any kind of a life, and trying to force it to live for even a short time would be truly cruel. I am pro-life in most cases, but if there is no chance for my baby to experience life without suffering intensely through every breath of it, not to mention facing life being called a "mutant" or worse, that is no kind of life and I'd be guilty of forcing such conditions on my child if I allowed it. That would be a choice that I don't think I could live with.
As long as I live in a country with resources that allows me to evaluate the health of my child prenatally, as far as I'm concerned it's criminal to force life onto a person who was never meant to live beyond its mother, and for whatever reason, some just aren't.
Sorry if that's a little bit off-topic.
Originally posted by pacofajita
And people want to outlaw abortion...
That is neither here nor there. This thread was never meant to discuss this contraversial subject. And contrary to your belief, it does not support your position in any way. Neither does it support mine either. But the existence of chromosomal abnormalities in no way justifies abortion.
Better care has meant that the life expectancy of many tri-13 babies has kept extending over the last 2 decades. and some tri-13 are less severe than others. Only a very few extreme circumstances of live birth tri 13s, could you try to use that argument
Sharkie
03-06-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by NorthOfNever
I agree, I'd certainly call that a case of medical, and even moral necessity. If the child did indeed have Tri 13 it couldn't have lived long beyond birth anyway, but any baby born with such severe abnormalities simply could not enjoy any kind of a life, and trying to force it to live for even a short time would be truly cruel. I am pro-life in most cases, but if there is no chance for my baby to experience life without suffering intensely through every breath of it, not to mention facing life being called a "mutant" or worse, that is no kind of life and I'd be guilty of forcing such conditions on my child if I allowed it. That would be a choice that I don't think I could live with.
As long as I live in a country with resources that allows me to evaluate the health of my child prenatally, as far as I'm concerned it's criminal to force life onto a person who was never meant to live beyond its mother, and for whatever reason, some just aren't.
Sorry if that's a little bit off-topic. I was born with Cleft palet cleft lip, a condition caused by trisomy 13 in some cases. I certainly am glad my parents didn't listen to that argument.
shirkie
03-06-2005, 01:43 PM
No, Sharkie, you should have been aborted. The risk was just too big. :rolleyes:
Glad my mom wasn't pro-"choice,"
shirkie
MBCorp
03-06-2005, 01:47 PM
Did anybody ever find out if this poor baby was real or not?
NorthOfNever
03-06-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by Sharkie
I was born with Cleft palet cleft lip, a condition caused by trisomy 13 in some cases. I certainly am glad my parents didn't listen to that argument.
Good grief, of course that isn't a case of medical necessity. If you read my post you'll note I said "such severe abnormalities," to such a degree as is demonstrated by that picture. I in no way meant to insinuate that any apparent abnormality warrants an abortion, but just that such drastically altered prenatal development could certainly be identified before birth, and while it is not a light decision, I feel the greater wrong would be to subject a child with such massive problems to even a short life in which its only experience would be suffering. That certainly is not the case with a cleft palate.
I could illustrate my position more thoroughly but I've gone far enough off-topic, and I didn't mean to.
Sharkie
03-06-2005, 10:09 PM
Well, I don't think we have the technology to know if the baby is malformed in ultrasounds yet. All we know is chromosome testing. And the way you said it is people can't live with Trisomy 13, and if I am Trisomy 13 (there are many causes of CP/CL other then genetics) obviously that's not true. If it is that extreme, then I agree with you, but not for all cases of Chromosomal abnormalities.
NorthOfNever
03-07-2005, 12:08 AM
I made a misstatement in reference to Tri 13, I'm sorry about that. I meant in cases of such extreme abnormality. And I do mean only in extreme cases. I used to work in group homes and hospitals (Birth Center, NICU, Children's), where I worked with plenty of people of all ages who will never enjoy life to the extent that someone who faces none of their challenges would, but the point is that they CAN and WILL enjoy life in some measure because they have the cognizance and care to facilitate that. Again, my comment was only in reference to very extreme cases - a cyclops with a trunk in her forehead being pretty extreme.
yeshuamyking7
03-07-2005, 11:02 AM
First, I think it's important to remember that the child did die naturally shortly after being born. That is Yahweh's will, so I see no moral dilemma there. However, killing that child in utero is another thing entirely. Who are we to determine which are the "extreme" cases of deformity and which are just "normal"? It seems like a slippery slope to eugenics, NorthOfNever.
I think instead of focusing our energy on ways to kill babies who are deformed, we should investigate the causes of said deformity and attempt to prevent it from happening in the first place. I've read about the so-called "sonic hedgehog" gene and its connection to the "cyclops" mutation. More should be done on this malady, so that we don't have people calling for "mercy killings." Remember, NorthOfNever, the killing of the mentally and physically disabled is where the Nazis started.
yeshuamyking, I thought the same thing. "prenatal Nazi eugenics" was what I had before editing my post, thinking the words were too stong for what NoN was saying.
Careful about discussing the A-bomb everyone, cuz its pretty inflammatory.
MBCorp
03-07-2005, 06:53 PM
Yeah, that could lead down to a slippery path of "mercy" killing anybody who is different, like the mentally ill or MI people. I don't think anybody should get to decide who gets to live and who doesn't.
Supercalifragville
03-07-2005, 07:09 PM
That is so sad :( as to whether it's real or not... I have to question what kind of person would make somthing like that up.
As to a few issues arising in this thread, I disagree with abortion (and euthanasia etc), but I would always empathise with anybody who was in that terrible position and faced with life-changing decisions. I've never been in that position so I don't feel like I'm in a position to criticise anybody's decision.
What I do believe in strongly, however, is medical research. Further research will hopefully reduce situations such as these ones, and appropriate healthcare would be given to babies born with certain needs that so far have not been able to be filled.
yeshuamyking7
03-08-2005, 05:15 PM
While I empathize with people who have to make these decisions, I cannot condone making the wrong decision (killing an innocent child). Allowing the child to die through natural means is something else entirely, but should only be done in the most extreme cases and only after all other medical options have been exhausted.
Of course, we are in complete agreement with regard to medical research. This should be our primary response to anything like this. It seems rather knee-jerk to conclude that such a child should be aborted. Not only is it reactionary, unnecessary and immoral, it can start us down the path to eugenics.
Just to be clear, I have no problem using strong language when it is necessary. The "mercy killing" of an innocent child, however deformed, is a form of eugenics, and so I have labeled it as such.
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