None of this made ANY sense!!!

[hakavon]

Here's the things that are absolutely INSANE about this episode.

Okay...

Doomsday gets separated from Davis...looks him in the face...and does NOT immediately rip him apart?

Ummm... This IS Doomsday we're talking about, isn't it? The creature with no conscience and no mind, just a blind angry killing machine?

Worse, it also leaves a roomful of OTHER people (the heroes and Chloe) ALIVE, but then proceeds to go into Metropolis and immediately click into "Doomie" gear? THEN it starts blindly maiming and killing?

Oh, and then we have Clark's fight with the thing-

What fight?

Plus, at the end, what's with Chloe saying the heroes had all disappeared? Umm... Didn't she just see Ollie, Bart, and Dinah AT HER HUSBAND'S FUNERAL MAYBE AN HOUR OR TWO EARLIER?

And what's with her asking Clark how he survived the explosion that was supposed to bury Doomsday?

Is Chloe forgetting how durable Clark is? Considering his answer, seems Clark's a little forgetful in that area too. "I don't know how I survived"? Right Clark. You don't know how you survived. :rolleyes:

Plus, if Clark was with Doomie when the explosion buried him, how in the world did Clark not get buried? Oh, he dug his way out? THEN SHOULDN'T DOOMSDAY BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING? I mean, he does seem to be as strong and durable as Clark.

Oh, and at the funeral, they specify for the first time that "James" is actually Jimmy's MIDDLE name. (Didn't they say something contradictory a while back, tho'? That it was his first hame?)

I mean, I'm glad and all that they're finally explaining the apparent age difference between Smallville's Jimmy and the traditional one. Simple, the Smallville Jimmy DIED and won't be around when Clark's Superman.

Oh...

But here comes his little brother...

WHO ISN'T NAMED? Oh come on! We all know the kid was named after the same person Jimmy got his middle name from, and that the little boy was JAMES BARTHOLOMEW OLSEN.

What kills me is what crazy set of parents did Jimmy have to let their older son be called by his middle name, but then apparently give their younger son that same name as his first name? How totally in gear with this episode's clear, thought out writing.

This episode seems to not even have been written. It's like they filmed off some notes someone wrote on a napkin at lunch that had a few loose story ideas that hadn't been given real thought yet.

This wasn't even phoned in. It came by snail mail.

I'm sorry. Usually I can come up with explanations to SORT OF get this show out of plot glitches and such, but this time I'm coming up dry. There's NO way to save this disaster.

Someone else said it- This is the worst SMALLVILLE season finale I've ever seen. It's just about taken the heart out of me where this show is concerned, and I'm a lifelong Superman fan. I can only hope that at least a few minutes is given in the season 9 opener to address some of this GARBAGE and straighten out a few things.

[kryptotrite]

I so so sos os ososososoosososossosososos agree with you ^^^^

it made no frakking sense!

[thehenry89]

ITA with the OP.

[Lauren_17]

Maybe Lois going back in or forward in time messed things up. I like that it is confusing.

[marcella]

The episode was so confusing

[amandaa125]

I agree 100% it was a complete joke.

[Forney2414]

Maybe this isn't Clark Kent. Maybe he is Jonathan Clark Kent, and Superman hasn't even arrived on earth yet. LOL. Don't take that serious but it makes as much sense as Davis is doomsday, now he is Zod. And Jimmy not being Jimmy and him really being Jimmy's older brother that also goes by the name of Jimmy.

[Kal El 12]

i'm gonna go back and watch some real season finales from the older seasons... cause this one was a complete and udder joke...

[griffolyon12]

I personally enjoyed this episode. Yes, there were many questionable moments, but overall I was satisfied at the end of this episode. While I do see why many were confused, and many are upset as well, I just don't share the same sentiments. Like I said in another thread, maybe I'm just in a really weird mood tonight, but I don't think I am.

[vezz801]

Clark died. His ghost was talking to Chloe, he vanished afterwards. We did not see what happened to him at the plant, nor does he remember as he told chloe. And no one noticed him at the funeral. Clark's still dead, Rokk changed nothing. But.... BUT. Lois could go back and change some of this, If thats truly what the writers are thinking. That;s my explantion.

[amandaa125]

I honestly think a major point of the finale was just to confuse us all...then we'll watch the S9 premiere and be like "ohhhh ok i get it now"

[Raine]

I agree 100% it was a complete joke.

A very bad one. :(

[colibri]

They just retconned the entire series. Clark and Lois and Jimmy will come back "reborn" next season to match their comic book selves. The way they did this is idiotic. It looks like next season will truly be a completely different series.

[dunkman]

I personally enjoyed this episode. Yes, there were many questionable moments, but overall I was satisfied at the end of this episode. While I do see why many were confused, and many are upset as well, I just don't share the same sentiments. Like I said in another thread, maybe I'm just in a really weird mood tonight, but I don't think I am.

I agree with you. Maybe if I watch it again it will make better sense, or maybe not; but I enjoyed it & I'm excited for next fall!

[tyson08]

There's definitely some deleted scenes that we didn't see but were shown in the trailer.

[Mrs. Superman]

ITA all the way! This episode sucked and I think it took out all the wind that I had left in me since the P/R arc midseason. Its like this show has gone on so long, they cant think of anything new so they change the past in order to work with the story they want to tell. I hate it. Its bad writing and it sucks for the audience. I'm not sure I want to see what they are gonna do to next season. I loved Jimmy, and right now I feel so completely jipped. It wasnt a good "twist" it was a retcon. Of course no one saw it coming, since we all heard him referred to as JBO, not Henry.

[Kryppy]

They just pulled the Jimmy's brother idea out thier @sses!!!
C’mon! Chloe is MARRIED to Jimmy but never met his brother (or even saw a picture of him)??? Where were Jimmy's parents and brother at the wedding?? If the writers are going to pull this kind of twist, they should at least have some minor hint leading up to it.

A fan had a better idea here a few months ago: that Jimmy dies, and then Chloe finds out she's pregunant, so names the kid Jimmy Olsen Jr.... That would explain why they're both named Jimmy! And the twist would be: in this version of the story, part of the reason adult Clark is so fond of a dorky kid much younger than him, is because he's the son of a woman Clark was close friends with for years. That would have meant something we were watch was actually leading up to it...... But can the writers do anything intellegent like that? NO!!! FANS ON THESE BOARDS CAN CREATE BETTER IDEAS THAN THE WRITERS MAKING THE MONEY!!!

[Supsfan]

I hated the Davis plotline(for the season) to begin with but for the most part they painted Davis to be a good guy, but they take the killer part out of him he still is a killer(which I found stupid)

[CreamPuffer]

Someone else said it- This is the worst SMALLVILLE season finale I've ever seen.

100% agree. What are the writers smoking? Who actually came up with this garbage? Who allowed this? Why didn't the network execs put an end to this? This was a joke. :mad::mad::mad:

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I hated the Davis plotline(for the season) to begin with but for the most part they painted Davis to be a good guy, but they take the killer part out of him he still is a killer(which I found stupid)


Exactly! What was that? That was completely garbage and the lamest thing ever.

[protege]

Was it just me, or did Henry's father look JUST LIKE HIM, except with a dye job?

[BadToad]

I keep thinking that this is an episode that might have made sense on paper, originally, but then between actor availability, budget issues, time constraints, and just plain old bad judgement, it was turned into a convaluted, underwhelming, incoherent mess.

[hakavon]

I keep thinking that this is an episode that might have made sense on paper, originally, but then between actor availability, budget issues, time constraints, and just plain old bad judgement, it was turned into a convaluted, underwhelming, incoherent mess.

Whatever the cause, that's what it ended up as.

This type of episode makes you feel ashamed and embarassed to tell people you're a SMALLVILLE fan.

I'm just glad I didn't tell anyone "This one should be a MAJOR story...if you like Superman at all, watch this one."

I'd be puking out of shame now.

I mean, Clark vs. Doomsday should have been a major throwdown, with all the shock and awe of the "Death of Superman" story from the comics.

What did we get?

NOTHING.

I suppose the one bright spot here is that now one day Doomsday can come back and when Clark's really Superman the two of them can have the real fight...

Ummm...

So Clark can seemingly die and be gone for weeks? Uhhh.... :\

[Mai4et0]

It'll come to make sense next season I'm sure

[Harrison_Bergeron]

You should read "Reign of the Supermen", that's all I will say here. I'll go into detail in the Speculation forum.


And what's with her asking Clark how he survived the explosion that was supposed to bury Doomsday?

Is Chloe forgetting how durable Clark is? Considering his answer, seems Clark's a little forgetful in that area too. "I don't know how I survived"? Right Clark. You don't know how you survived. :rolleyes:

Plus, if Clark was with Doomie when the explosion buried him, how in the world did Clark not get buried? Oh, he dug his way out? THEN SHOULDN'T DOOMSDAY BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING? I mean, he does seem to be as strong and durable as Clark.

[DigitalKing]

I wonder if Clark got separated by the BlackK by accident, and Clark is still in the hole with Doomsday...

No, I won't even go there. This finale sucked, worst of the season, I'm going to go watch Ageless now.

[NinaDavis]

Worst season finale ever.

[SpitCurl]

I wonder if Clark got separated by the BlackK by accident, and Clark is still in the hole with Doomsday...

No, I won't even go there...

Sadly, that's probably an option. The rock was still there and Clark oddly doesn't remember how he got out. He was definitely acting more like Kal, but I'm going to chalk this up to bad writing.

A competent way to have written that angle would've been to have Clark give the same speech to Chloe, but instead of answering with "I don't know" when asked how he escaped, have him giver her a smirk w/o answering, change the subject and continue his speech, ending it with the "Clark Kent is dead" line.

As he walked to the door, he'd look back, turn around, and whoosh!- up through the ceiling (hey, he did it in Superman Returns). This would've been a shock, and we'd be left with Kal-El running around and Clark trapped in a cement hole a mile deep with Doomsday...

Sadly, that ain't how these writers roll. I have another theory about Clark's memory gap in another thread that might be more plausible.

[Kryptochloe]

Nothing. at. all.

[jpfort1957]

When DD/Davis were seperated.........why doesn't Davis have any powers? He was still a creature from Krypton..........not human. He may have almost redeemed himself , if he had died helping Clark defeat Doomsday.

[legofreak]

totally agree!!! this even worse than season 7 or 4 finale!
looks like no doomsday fight, no intense ... what else ...???
why clark didn't aware that lois is missing? lois should be in that funeral.

[pbush77]

I have to agree completely with the OP.

I thought the same thing about the siblings-with-the-same-name thing. When have you ever heard of that happening in real life? :confused:

The Doomsday fight - a complete non-event (over in 10 seconds).

Making sure that we saw Clark's foot push off from the sidewalk, just to let us know that he still can't fly.

Multiple plot-holes and "what???" moments. (Like Doomsday leaving all his captors alive, the orb escaping by itself from the vault but needing to wait for Doomsday's imprisonment before Zod could be resurrected, Tess torturing her own henchman and then attacking Lois, Davis turning out to be a psycho all along, talk about "human" sides for kryptonians like they are all half-breeds, etc.)

I could go on. It was enjoyable to watch, but on reflection... just awful. And it's the first Smallville finale ever where I'm not that bothered about when I see the next episode.

They didn't even have the decency to show us Zod's face - no doubt so they can change the actor if necessary for next season.

[Kschreck]

Who are the writers that wrote Doomsday and Eternal being put in charge of Season Nine and Ten... man this sucks!

[LuthorKent90]

WHO ISN'T NAMED? Oh come on! We all know the kid was named after the same person Jimmy got his middle name from, and that the little boy was JAMES BARTHOLOMEW OLSEN.

What kills me is what crazy set of parents did Jimmy have to let their older son be called by his middle name, but then apparently give their younger son that same name as his first name? How totally in gear with this episode's clear, thought out writing.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly what I thought when they showed the kid!

[Runestone]

How sad is it that I'm so used to the lazy, headache-inducing writing that I don't even question the gigantic plot holes anymore?

Ugh... Why do I still watch this show?

[Marfeic2011]

They just pulled the Jimmy's brother idea out thier @sses!!!
C’mon! Chloe is MARRIED to Jimmy but never met his brother (or even saw a picture of him)??? Where were Jimmy's parents and brother at the wedding?? If the writers are going to pull this kind of twist, they should at least have some minor hint leading up to it.

A fan had a better idea here a few months ago: that Jimmy dies, and then Chloe finds out she's pregunant, so names the kid Jimmy Olsen Jr.... That would explain why they're both named Jimmy! And the twist would be: in this version of the story, part of the reason adult Clark is so fond of a dorky kid much younger than him, is because he's the son of a woman Clark was close friends with for years. That would have meant something we were watch was actually leading up to it...... But can the writers do anything intellegent like that? NO!!! FANS ON THESE BOARDS CAN CREATE BETTER IDEAS THAN THE WRITERS MAKING THE MONEY!!!

wow - that really was a much better idea! too bad :mad:

[chlavisbug]

lets face it, i dont think that even the producers know what in the world they are doing with this show, they just change their mind on all the arcs in the season finale, leaving a very disappointed bunch of viewers

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How sad is it that I'm so used to the lazy, headache-inducing writing that I don't even question the gigantic plot holes anymore?

Ugh... Why do I still watch this show?

...i ask myself that after every episode...

[pbush77]

I always know why I'm watching this show. To see Clark become Superman and enjoy the story.

Smallville has always had a very strong direction and feeling of progression. For the first time ever, I'm baffled and not sure where it's going. Will he be an old-aged pensioner before he learns to fly? Why does he have to go down a dark path to become "boy scout" Superman? Are any more characters going to be retconned? Are the show-runners so in love with Allison Mack that they have to keep Chloe around no matter what?

I don't think the writers have a clue any more. :(

[Kamloops]

What happened? The season started with such promise then fizzled. It is true, without a vision, plans will fail and Smallville failed. Just a lack of vision led to the mess that was "Doomsday". Here is what confounded me:

1. Fight between Tess and Lois.
2. Olie leaving Clark with an arrow in his back in the ghetto.
3. The hearts in the eyes of Lois for the RB Blur.
4. Wasn't the orb missing last episode?
5. How did the orb get out of the safe room?
6. The fight between DD and Clark was lame. Super jump tackle. Whatever.
7. Was totally confused when the factory exploded. I didnt realize that that was part of the plan. I was waiting for the fight to continue.
8. Some comment that Cloe made about the Canary and Impulse disappearing.
9. Phantom Clark.
10. Davis killing Jimmy and then Jimmy killing Davis after Clark trying to save Davis for like the last three episodes. Pointless.
11. Clark not attending the funeral but off in the distance. Very weird.
12. Zod? Again? What? So, Lex is to Superman movies as Zod is to Smallville now. Please do not have Zod again!!!

Overall, SV should have ended this season. Weird, weird, weird.

That was one of the worst episodes

[Theshadow129x]

lmmfao

[TheAmazingApe]

I started this post in another thread, but I'm finishing it here.

I am filled with WTH on so many levels over this finale:

After the finale, I'm convinced this show has no plan and no deeper message and no respect for its audience. I should have known after fakebaby, making the destruction of Clex over a girl instead of something deeper, and St. Lionel, the child-abuser.

This is not a show that deserves the thought and attention I've given it.

After a finale where they ruined the subtle and lovely performances of SW as Davis, turning him into a one-dimensional homicidal maniac instead of the tragic villain I saw. I didn't expect him to turn good and ride off into the sunset, but I didn't think his arc would end with him murdering Jimmy, then trying to do the same for Chloe because she wasn't madly in wub with him. If he had to kill Jimmy, I would have preferred he do it in a fit of rage, then feel awful and kill himself. Might have been a fitting end. The same things could have happened, but there would have been some respect for his arc and for the wonderful performance SW put in, that made me feel for him. This is not quite on a level of what they did to Lex (as in giving him the complex ending of killing himself and Clark together to (in his mind) save the world, only to have NOT!Lex come back and to break up Clana over petty jealousy), but it's close.

As far as Henry/Jimmy... So they want to reset the show and line up with the mythos? I kind of thought they did that earlier in the season, what with Clark's sudden hiring at the DP. But now... What was the point of having Clark, Lois, and Jimmy all work at the DP this season only to have one fired and two quit (one dying afterwards and now named Henry). I assume they'll get hired back in Futureville. So what was the point of having them there at all??? There is no point! There is no plan! Just like there was no point to the Chimmy wedding. Why have them marry, then divorce right away. Probably just to get rid of Chlarkers. Why have Clois at the DP just to reset later? No reason. There is no plan.

They just retconned the entire series. Clark and Lois and Jimmy will come back "reborn" next season to match their comic book selves. The way they did this is idiotic. It looks like next season will truly be a completely different series.

Looks like it.

If the show wanted to bring in Jimmy Olsen, then they should have brought him in right the first time.

If the show wants to have Clark and Lois hired better, then they should have done that right the first time, too.

I don't think Henry James Olsen was the plan. I think they knew they screwed up, so they dirtied Jimmy up for fun, redeemed him, gave him his happy, then killed him. But it's fine because we'll meet real Jimmy in Futureville (not for real, because we'll never see him on the show, which will NEVER get to season ten).

Where were Jimmy's parents and brother at the wedding?? If the writers are going to pull this kind of twist, they should at least have some minor hint leading up to it.

I could get it. I can wank that Real Jimmy is Henry Jimmy's half-brother from his drunken dad. I can. But, if this was the plan, they should have mentioned he had a little brother he didn't know in the same ep he talked about drunk daddy. It wasn't the plan. They know they ruined him just like they ruined so many other characters on this show, and now they're hitting the reset button.

And chimmy's last hurrah? Gag me. Never liked the pairing and it was just one more thing I didn't want to see in a season full of them.

I hope this show doesn't pull me back into its evil web of confusion. I just want to retire to fanfic and remember the good things.

I don't even know if I'm making sense. I'm not in deep Jimmy or Davis mourning or anything, but these things just solidify something for me. There is no plan for this show except to milk this premise for all it's worth until this show breathes its last wheezy, incoherent breath.

Oh, and then we have Clark's fight with the thing-

What fight?

A whole season of build-up and two minutes of lackluster fight. Freakin cheats.

And he doesn't remember how he survived??? What the frack!!!

[Brainy Pirate]

Multiple plot-holes and "what???" moments. (Like Doomsday leaving all his captors alive, the orb escaping by itself from the vault but needing to wait for Doomsday's imprisonment before Zod could be resurrected, Tess torturing her own henchman and then attacking Lois, Davis turning out to be a psycho all along, talk about "human" sides for kryptonians like they are all half-breeds, etc.)


I agree. I was so caught up in the publicity speculation of whether Chloe would survive that I didn't really notice all these plot holes until I read them online. But now that they've been pointed out, it's as if the entire script makes NO sense whatsoever, and the scenes have no cause-and-effect connection.

Sigh....

[smallvillerocks45]

I am just really surprised to read so many people are disappointed with this episode.
When it was over, I couldn't even sit and watch Supernatural because I was so excited to come on KSite and talk about how wonderful the episode was - how tragic, how suspenseful, and how season 9 can't come soon enough.

I thought it was a great episode because it brought the season to a close - we are definitely headed into a new, hopefully more Supermanly direction - but left it open enough to have another great season of interesting stories. I just didn't think it was that bad - is sure left me more anxious for the future than the season 7 finale did.

[Exedore]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Exactly what I thought when they showed the kid!

I have a feeling that they didn't name the kid in order to leave room for even more retcons in future. Maybe we haven't seen the "real" Jimmy yet. :rolleyes:

[Ellsbury]

It's a finale remember... wait for 9x01 before all going nuts.