Things That Confuse Me - The Finale (ask and answer here)

[Vovkulak]

What was that whole scene with Clark disappearing in the doorway? Is that supposed to symbolize the fact that Clark Kent is "dead"?

[disciples of zod]

i was very confused with that. what's going on w/ Clark?

~H

[Vovkulak]

What was that whole scene with Clark disappearing in the doorway at the end? Was that to symbolize that Clark Kent is "dead"? What will happen now?

[xrayvision]

Obviously his ghost. What I'm confused about is what was going on in that closet. It looked like another dimension.

[Heilige]

Obviously his ghost. What I'm confused about is what was going on in that closet. It looked like another dimension.



What do you mean his ghost? Did Clark die from the battle?

[dimas]

At first i thought Zod somehow took over Clark, or that Clark was Kal-El :P

[ChrisMac]

1.) Why wasn't there more of a fight between Clark and Doomsday? The entire season was effectively building up to this epic battle between the two and they got what, maybe 2 minutes, if that? From where I saw, Clark got his bullet-proof hide handed to him on a platter by Doomsday. All Clark did was grab him and jump WITH him into the Geothermal Station. I was expecting more.

2.) Where did Lois go after she half-slipped the Legion ring on? No explanation, poof. Did she go to the future? Past? A different city? A tiny bit more of an explanation or clue would have been good. Besides, what if Clark had put it on? Where would HE have gone? Cosmic Boy very well couldn't have expected him to slip the ring on Doomsday's finger and make HIM go to the future, could he? Also, where did Cosmic Boy go? Sure he probably couldn't have helped Clark due to it changing the future way to much, but he could have at least said goodbye or something.

3.) Where did Davis's body go? Sure he tickled Jimmy's kidney and various other vital organs with a hollow pipe, but they can't kill Jimmy off due to him being in the comic book(s). Personally I think they stuck Davis's body in the casket (it was a closed casket ceremony after all from the looks of it), so maybe Oliver and his cohorts are fixing Jimmy up somewhere. What I don't understand is why they would make it appear that Jimmy is gone for good when he clearly can't be.

4.) The gap between when Clark and Doomsday took the comet ride into the Geothermal Station and when Clark was at the cemetary. Why couldn't they have showed abit more of a fight there? This is DOOMSDAY after all. The only thing in the comic book history that killed Superman. They could have showed abit more of a struggle. I mean, we got more of a fight scene in "Combat". I honestly thought that part of the show hadn't aired because the gap felt so large that I actually went online to see if anyone else had experienced any broadcast issues.

Despite all of this, I really did enjoy the episode... but these things (and a couple others) were just plain confusing and felt, well, weird.

[BeldarofRemulak]

Things that confused me with this episode....

EVERYTHING!

[CKWannabe]

The Ghost Theory is interesting....r we to assume that CK died in the battle w/ DD cause obviously he can't die b/c of the explosion?

[curiosity]

It was confusing that Clark didn't show up until the end of the funeral, and the Justice League was at the funeral, then we see Chloe asking Clark where he was all that time.

And Chloe remarks that the Justice League disappeared, and then Clark walks away and then disappears. So it's totally confusing. What did they mean the Justice League disappeared? They were just right there.

Did they have to cut that part out or something?

I guess it's one of those things where we don't get an explanation until next season. So the confusion is the cliffhanger, and where Lois went is too?

[Poyntz]

That end scene was confusing. It didn't feel like Clark at all. I was very disappointed in the ending....

[antx]

I enjoyed this episode as well.There were so many great scenes.But the fight was too short.I wanted much more than we got.I think probably the ending was the most confusing.

[lebangelrh]

not sure if anyone caught this but when ck was talking to chloe at the end he told her he didnt remember how he got out and didnt know if anyone else got out of the tunnel? why did he say that if they showed oliver and the others at the funeral? did i hear wrong or are we supposed to think that the justice league is dead and so is ck? i am BEYOND confused :(

[princessdiana]

1.) Why wasn't there more of a fight between Clark and Doomsday? The entire season was effectively building up to this epic battle between the two and they got what, maybe 2 minutes, if that? From where I saw, Clark got his bullet-proof hide handed to him on a platter by Doomsday. All Clark did was grab him and jump WITH him into the Geothermal Station. I was expecting more.

2.) Where did Lois go after she half-slipped the Legion ring on? No explanation, poof. Did she go to the future? Past? A different city? A tiny bit more of an explanation or clue would have been good. Besides, what if Clark had put it on? Where would HE have gone? Cosmic Boy very well couldn't have expected him to slip the ring on Doomsday's finger and make HIM go to the future, could he? Also, where did Cosmic Boy go? Sure he probably couldn't have helped Clark due to it changing the future way to much, but he could have at least said goodbye or something.

3.) Where did Davis's body go? Sure he tickled Jimmy's kidney and various other vital organs with a hollow pipe, but they can't kill Jimmy off due to him being in the comic book(s). Personally I think they stuck Davis's body in the casket (it was a closed casket ceremony after all from the looks of it), so maybe Oliver and his cohorts are fixing Jimmy up somewhere. What I don't understand is why they would make it appear that Jimmy is gone for good when he clearly can't be.

4.) The gap between when Clark and Doomsday took the comet ride into the Geothermal Station and when Clark was at the cemetary. Why couldn't they have showed abit more of a fight there? This is DOOMSDAY after all. The only thing in the comic book history that killed Superman. They could have showed abit more of a struggle. I mean, we got more of a fight scene in "Combat". I honestly thought that part of the show hadn't aired because the gap felt so large that I actually went online to see if anyone else had experienced any broadcast issues.

Despite all of this, I really did enjoy the episode... but these things (and a couple others) were just plain confusing and felt, well, weird.


1) One word, MONEY. The CW spent it all over at 90210 and GG for prada bags

2) Lois putting the ring on is another plot device. In order to "line up with the mythos" they need to morph Lois into the Lois at the DP we know from the mythos. ie: at somepoint she will return not knowing CK prior to meeting him at the DP

3) That Jimmy that died is not the Jimmy of the mythos. Jimmy's brother is the JImmy of the mythos. Chloe gave him the camera. This is the "lining up fo the mythos" Jimmy Olsen is younger than Clark and didn't know CK prior to working at the DP. Again, a hint that Lois will also be changed.

4)DD is now buried under the ground as he was in the comics. It is when he is let out down the road that CK is Superman and DD kills him. Again, lining up with the mythos.

[supervision]

Me too. I was so pumped for this episod, until I watched it, it was even worse than Artic.

[Kal El 12]

i think he flew out've there.. but who knows this whole episode made no sense...

[Timester]

1.) Why wasn't there more of a fight between Clark and Doomsday? The entire season was effectively building up to this epic battle between the two and they got what, maybe 2 minutes, if that? From where I saw, Clark got his bullet-proof hide handed to him on a platter by Doomsday. All Clark did was grab him and jump WITH him into the Geothermal Station. I was expecting more.

Now Doomsday is burried, just like in the comics.

2.) Where did Lois go after she half-slipped the Legion ring on? No explanation, poof. Did she go to the future? Past? A different city? A tiny bit more of an explanation or clue would have been good. Besides, what if Clark had put it on? Where would HE have gone? Cosmic Boy very well couldn't have expected him to slip the ring on Doomsday's finger and make HIM go to the future, could he? Also, where did Cosmic Boy go? Sure he probably couldn't have helped Clark due to it changing the future way to much, but he could have at least said goodbye or something.

It's called cliffhanger, we aren't supposed to get the answer until September.

[Kton4]

I enjoyed this episode. The writers did what they had to do to save the show. The "Jimmy"that they had on the show was NOTHING like the Jimmy in the comics. He was a great asset to the show, but he was the read deal. His little brother had on the bow tie!! I do believe that in the beginning he was suppose to be the real Jimmy Olsen, but the writers made him into something he was not. They saved the character in general,and the show. I do believe that SW is Zod. I would of liked a new actor but whatever. I hope season 9 is the end. The writers need to look at it as the last season so they can finish this great show with an amazing ending.

[B_M4N]

I think the reason they didn't show more of a fight is because they want to wait until next season to show how Clark died and if we saw the whole thing tonight we would know for sure what actually happened which wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger

[Forney2414]

Yeah, I think they were trying to imply that he flew out of there before getting buried alive.

And Clark/Superman/Kal-El is not dead he is just (for the summer break) not going to be Clark Kent anymore. No more dual identity he is just going to be Superman. He also said he had no home. Did the farm blow up? No. People need to not take everything literal.

[Rania]

3) That Jimmy that died is not the Jimmy of the mythos. Jimmy's brother is the JImmy of the mythos. Chloe gave him the camera. This is the "lining up fo the mythos" Jimmy Olsen is younger than Clark and didn't know CK prior to working at the DP. Again, a hint that Lois will also be changed.

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This is just me, but I hope you are totally wrong (even though I thought the same exact thing). Not having Aaron Ashmore next season would be a shame. I hope Lois putting on the ring is a way to fix all this.

[Lauren_17]

I believe he flew out, and that's why he can't remember how he got out.

[SuperSheltie]

I don't think that was Clark at all talking with Chloe...I believe that Zod has inhabited Clark and the transfer happened at the Geo Plant....hence his confusion about how he got out of there....

[lebangelrh]

but he said he doesnt know if anyone else (JL) got out...so was the oliver's ghost too because it looked like clark would have known if anyone got out if he was at the funeral from a distance..

[Forney2414]

The way things are going Doomsday could have saved Clark, and DD will become the hero next season since it seems like they can't let Clark be Superman.

[Baum-El]

I think he's about to become a character right out of the modern Superman Mythos - The Kryptonian Eradicator:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

In order to save Kal-El from death, the fortress placed him in a suspended animation. About the same time 4 different versions of Superman arrived in Metropolis.

One who called himself "THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON" was less emotional (much like Clark was in the new watchtower). and was in fact the very entity that not only brought Clark his Kryptonian heritage but actually built the fortress long before Doomsday arrived...

I think this, along with the coming of ZOD, was the plan all along for season 9.

Clark is dead & a new version of Kal-El has arrived to save humanity...

The only difference is that Clark/Kal-EL will eventually be the one who saves the day - Upon his return...

[xrayvision]

I was hoping the orb was the Eradicator. I even thought that maybe the Clark at the end was the Eradicator, but after seeing how he had memories of all the current events, it had to be Clark. The Eradicator showing up wouldn't make sense anymore. In the comics, the Eradicator already existed as an elliptical shaped device that was transformed into a Kryptonian like being looking very much like Superman.

If we do see the Eradicator, I don't think we'll see it/him until season 9 and they will probably have a weird explanation or have him appear out of nowhere like the stones plot was shown in season 4.

[Kick2theface]

I think that was the whole point. They wanted to leave lots of questions with a ton of possible answers. Because of this I believe just about all of the people complaining now about how much this episode sucked will be there for season 9 because this season finale did its job. It wrapped up the current story line, gave us a preview of whats to come next season, and gave us quite a few cliffhangers (Is Clark dead? Did he fly? How exactly did Zod come back? What's the plan for Zod, What's in store for Tess? How will they redeem Ollie? How is Chloe going to bring the League back together like she said she would at the end of the episode? Where did Lois go when she put on the ring? Will Doomsday return sometime next season? Also from earlier in the season: Will Lex return sometime next season? Also with the merger of LuthorCorp with Queen Industries, will we finally see LexCorp emerge if Lex returns?). And that is just what comes to mind off the top of my head.

Like it or not the finale did its job whether it was rushed or not. And while at the moment, I am with the majority that was a little let down by this episode just remember that somehow this finale is not going to be fully concluded until the first episode of the the next season (if it follows the trend of the other 8 finales which logic would say that is obvious). Because of this we cant really appreciate the finale until the first episode of the next season. Most of the posts i have seen about the season 2 finale being the best have said that the season 3 premiere is what helped make the finale so awesome. All I'm saying is try and hold off judgement until season 9 episode 1.:lol:

[Forney2414]

I think he's about to become a character right out of the modern Superman Mythos - The Kryptonian Eradicator:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/EradicatorSSF.jpg

In order to save Kal-El from death, the fortress placed him in a suspended animation. About the same time 4 different versions of Superman arrived in Metropolis.

One who called himself "THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON" was less emotional (much like Clark was in the new watchtower). and was in fact the very entity that not only brought Clark his Kryptonian heritage but actually built the fortress long before Doomsday arrived...

I think this, along with the coming of ZOD, was the plan all along for season 9.

Clark is dead & a new version of Kal-El has arrived to save humanity...

The only difference is that Clark/Kal-EL will eventually be the one who saves the day - Upon his return...

Something along these lines could actually save the finale for me but i don't think the writers are that creative.

[TjSUP]

Remember the producers said that there would be a metaphorical death, i think Clark has embraced his destiny and him vanishing in the door way, is meant to show that the human side of Clark will take a step back and Superman will step forward.

[Smallville55]

What the heck did she mean about them disappearing? What was up with that???

[susangail]

It's going to be a long summer. I can't wait to see where they go with this.

[Supsfan]

What the heck did she mean about them disappearing? What was up with that???

Lol I thought I was hearing stuff, all 3 were at the funeral then she makes that comment. i just assumed I misheard a word she said

[um4rio]

i was thinking the same too!

[Smallville55]

bump

[xrayvision]

What do you mean his ghost? Did Clark die from the battle?

Yes. It was said from before that he would. The way he vanished made it obvious that he's a ghost now.

[kyl-el]

Yes, answers please!

[amandaa125]

yea they were all right there! lol maybe chloes just beginning to seriously lose it...

[mr lane]

maybe they disappeared after the funeral?

who knows lol

[CloisFan17]

Okay tonights episode had me very very confused lol, first off it wasn't a bad episode it just wasn't the best, Jimmy wasn't the real Jimmy is crazy!!!!!! & I don't like Jimmy but to me that was super sad that he died :( or Henry whatever the heck his name is lol, now what I am most confused about was this the two that died were Jimmy/Henry for sure. & Clark???? I don't get the end, like we know that Davis isn't dead we saw him at the end holding the sphere & saying wierd things & I am pretty sure something is going to go down with Zod.!!!! So it wasn't Davis that died so was it Clark??? How it could be I don't get it ughhhhh this is annoying :(

[TazMan]

all the unaswered Q can be answer like this : that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how the writer do that is how

so dont look an answer the series gets worst and worst oh man

[Dyanara]

Good gracious when I heard her say that I just rolled my eyes. Sum1 was drinking when they wrote and directed this finale.

[latingirl]

i Think that after happen Dihan and Bart lost their confidence on Ollie and they left the JL and they could take each one their own way...

[darkraya]

whose funeral? i missed that part of the episode....

[Clana_4ever2005]

Ha! Maybe they've got us mixed up.

Clark vanished. I'm thinking he really died considered Rokk said there was no way he wouldn't die.

And Davis was the metaphorical death, becoming Zod....

[Kschreck]

Ha! Maybe they've got us mixed up.

Clark vanished. I'm thinking he really died considered Rokk said there was no way he wouldn't die.

And Davis was the metaphorical death, becoming Zod....


Knowing how lazy these writers are, they will likely recon Rokk's comments next season.

[Dyanara]

i Think that after happen Dihan and Bart lost their confidence on Ollie and they left the JL and they could take each one their own way...

Why cant Bart replace Oliver as a regular:(

[dru-zod2501]

maybe the league secretly decided to disband offscreen... which if they had shown that would've made the entire episode, forget Clark's "destiny"

[CloisFan17]

Yeah true ugh this is going to be annoying to have to wait to find out what they come up with! Anyone going to comic con???


Yeah Davis was the metaphorical death. I wonder how they will play that out next season!

I am soooo happy that they didn't kill Chloe though I would have been super bummed

[FOREVERCLOIS21]

Yeah true ugh this is going to be annoying to have to wait to find out what they come up with! Anyone going to comic con???


Yeah Davis was the metaphorical death. I wonder how they will play that out next season!

I am soooo happy that they didn't kill Chloe though I would have been super bummed

I am super Bummed that They Killed Jimmy/Henry Whatever His name was :((

[CloisFan17]

me too :( I mean I don't like Henry/Jimmy at all haha it's funny that we have to keep doing that lol. But the way he died was sad & I thought they weren't going to kill him off! But I knew that was his funeral from the promo I just knew it was him

Now I just wonder if Clark is really dead lol even though we know he can't be because of Superman mythos & all & Tom is in Season 9 but I just wonder how they will play that out


Hey May :) haha sorry just had to say hi

[Watching Smallville]

I'm confused. :confused:

Lois just stumbles across a ring that makes her disappear. Where did it come from? Did Mercy have it? Was it Clark's new ring? Another gift from the future? It seemed to appear out of nowhere.

"There's nothing on the face of this earth that can destroy doomsday." Isn't that what we were told? So, where is it? The blast didn't kill it. And why would Clark even believe the blast would do anything when he was told NOTHING ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH would have any effect? Did he really think going underground, I mean, playing with semantics, would change the forces of nature??? And did the show really stoop so low????

Chloe says something about Bart and what's-her-name and Oliver disappearing, and maybe it's up to her and Clark to bring them home. But Oliver was at the funeral. :mad:

Was that a nuclear explosion? Why didn't it take out the whole city?

I've never experienced so many loose ends/ holes/ discrepancies in one episode. Did I miss something? :lol:

[Kschreck]

I'm confused. :confused:

Lois just stumbles across a ring that makes her disappear. Where did it come from? Did Mercy have it? Was it Clark's new ring? Another gift from the future? It seemed to appear out of nowhere.

"There's nothing on the face of this earth that can destroy doomsday." Isn't that what we were told? So, where is it? The blast didn't kill it. And why would Clark even believe the blast would do anything when he was told NOTHING ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH would have any effect? Did he really think going underground, I mean, playing with semantics, would change the forces of nature??? And did the show really stoop so low????

Chloe says something about Bart and what's-her-name and Oliver disappearing, and maybe it's up to her and Clark to bring them home. But Oliver was at the funeral. :mad:

Was that a nuclear explosion? Why didn't it take out the whole city?

I've never experienced so many loose ends/ holes/ discrepancies in one episode. Did I miss something? :lol:


Blame it on low budget, bored writers, lazy writing, etc. Why the heck would Clark leave a time traveling ring sitting out on his Daily Planet desk... :rolleyes:

[Vovkulak]

Why did Clark disappear like a ghost? Was it to imply that Clark Kent was "dead"? Will he ever see Chloe again?

[spotteddog]

Simple dramatic license, to bring home a point. I want to know why Zod was peeing on the mansion lawn.

[vagrant]

Did you miss the part of the episode where clark puts the ring away in his desk.

Then lois uses the box to hit tess in the head.

Nuclear explosion? What?

And Chloe obvious meant that Bart/Ollie/Canary have now left.

[Vovkulak]

I want to know why they brought Zod back in the first place. Didn't we already go through this?

[Jigga]

I attribute this to "idiot plot" writing. They are seriously going to send her to the future? We all know she's going to be sent back and get her brain wiped, so it's a completely useless story thread.

[Bizarrolover]

Clark put the ring in the drawer of his desk. Lois and Tess fought at the office, over Clark's desk. The ring fell and Lois grabbed it.

Bottom line, Clark should hide his super stuff in safer places. Because if he was going to die like he thought he would (he was even writing a letter as the RBB), the Legion ring would have remained in that drawer for anyone to take.

[genxstillonfire]

I absolutely agree with you. Also remember too this was supposed to be the series finale. too

[spotteddog]

Ok, let me help here. Henry aka Jimmy Olsen was a real death. Davis Bloom was a real death. Clark was a "metaphorical" death - no one real died in that one, but Clark basically said he was giving up his human side. The "disappearing Clark" was just some poetic/artistic license, to drive home the point.

[Supsfan]

whose funeral? i missed that part of the episode....

Dinah, Bart and Ollie were all at Henry Olsen's funeral

[CloisFan17]

But Davis didn't die lol, we see him at the end of the episode, I think his was the metaphorical death.

[Pink Hurricane]

I think all it meant is they all left/dissapeared directly after the funeral and chloe just doesn't know where they went.

[vagrant]

The Justice League broke up after the fight. Now Chloe has to get them to come back.

[myankskent]

I think that TPTB just mailed this episode in. They're probably more interested in securing some more DC comics characters for next season so that they can try to get some viewers back, because I have a feeling that a lot will want to leave after watching this disaster of a finale.

[Sharkie]

Did Chloe say that Bart, Oliver, and Dinah had dissapeared yet they were at the funeral? Did I hear that right? Maybe my sound was messed up or something.

[KAL-EL_3]

Knowing how lazy these writers are, they will likely recon Rokk's comments next season.

IT WOULD NOT BE LAZY IF CLARK ISNT DEAD AND ROKK'S COMMENTS WERE INCORRECT!!!
u do know when someone comes back in time from the future it changes things. Rokk came back and warned Clark that he was going to die BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ON THIS EARTH THAT COULD KILL/DESTROY DOOMSDAY.

CLARKS PLAN WAS TO BURY HIM NOT KILL HIM. ROKK CHANGED WHAT HAPPENED JUST LIKE HOW LOIS GOT THE RING. THAT CHANGES THINGS TOO !!!!

[Polomontana]

This is a good point because Clark said he couldn't save anyone after the blast but they were all at the funeral.

That doesn't make sense and also chloe asked Clark how did he escape the blast. Clark said, I got out after Dinah pressed the button...I don't know.

Somethings going on here.

[kentdog]

the whole thing made me mad i have no idea what's going on i thought lois was going to come out of no where and save the day. the writters of smallville are really getting all my nerves. did clark die or did he leave god! they make me not want to watch next season. where is lois the future tell me something and jimmy died what were this people thinking when they wrote this episode. i am more annoyed then excited to see next season. clark can't become superman on tv which i don't now why superman retuned sucked. they ruined superman in that movie. we had a lois and clark show while the old superman movies were going own at the same time. so what give this people the right to say he can't wear the suit i think their scared the tv show will ruin the movies. well they did that all by their selfs. i think they should leave superman movies alone until they can get it right they really messed up that movie.

[vagrant]

The Justice League broke up after the fight. Now Chloe has to get them to come back.


I'll just quote myself since people seem to fail to be reading it.

[vagrant]

Yes. It was said from before that he would. The way he vanished made it obvious that he's a ghost now.

Clark didn't die. It was symbolic of his human side "dying".

[Emissary of Justice]

Maybe they were all just decimated by Zod?

[xrayvision]

Clark has no human side. Clark is 100% Kryptonian. There is a part of him that cares about humans as seen in Crusade, but Clark is dead. It was foretold by Rokk.

[superspider02]

YEa i was a bit confused with the finale clark and chloe scene. Though i need to rewatch the episode a few times to get everything straight.

[Lilah]

The Justice League broke up after the fight. Now Chloe has to get them to come back.

And why is it Chloe that has to be this "beacon" for the JLA? Ugh.... they're force writing her into the show for s9... I really hope she's not around for s10....

[Unsound]

They split up and disappeared after the funeral, it seemed pretty obvious to me at least.

[Exedore]

They tend to use the word "human" in a very loose sense on this show, instead of simply referring to homo sapiens. So yeah, Clark as a human side to him.

Yes. It was said from before that he would. The way he vanished made it obvious that he's a ghost now.

I believe this was TPTB's crappy idea of a metaphorical death: Clark symbolically killing off his human "Clark Kent" side by cutting off all his ties to friends and family or something. Don't expect anything more. After Eternal and Doomsday there can be no more expectations from this travesty. :\

[Emissary of Justice]

And why is it Chloe that has to be this "beacon" for the JLA? Ugh.... they're force writing her into the show for s9... I really hope she's not around for s10....The character has actually been scheduled for a comic appearance. So, there's nothing wrong with leaving her around.

[Shalamarke]

My first thought about him disappearing in the doorway was that it was another way of showing him superspeeding off... though I did wonder where the breeze was.

I noticed that he was still in black, which is a Kal-El thing... though he was also in black for the funeral in particular.

He messed with black K.... wasn't it still stuck to Doomsday? What if he split off again? What if CK is in the rubble somewhere?

The Eradicator theory involving elements of the aftermath of the Death of Superman is really interesting and the most plausible thing I have seen yet.

And the fact that they can mess with (highlight to see the following spoiler)Jimmy Olsen, one of the "untouchables" in the original mythos, to the level of cheese that they did here means that the current producers will stoop to any level for whatever story it is they think they are telling in this "version" of the mythos.

[SpitCurl]

They split up and disappeared after the funeral, it seemed pretty obvious to me at least.


Did it? Would you have had any indication of this had Chloe not said "everyone disappeared, we have to get them back together"? We saw Ollie crying, Dinah and Kid Flash walking off. There was no indication that they were split apart, they were just leaving a funeral, which is what you do, when the funeral is over. You leave :cool:

Plus, it was like an hour later. Did she seriously try calling everyone and they didn't answer their phones, or did all 4 have an argument we don't know about?

"Filling in the blanks" is one thing, doing this: "_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _", without giving a hint as to what the word might is just bad writing.

[Karafan1]

They split up and disappeared after the funeral, it seemed pretty obvious to me at least.

It's either poor writing for why she said that, or this ^^^^

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Did you happen to miss every episode that featured Chloe as Watchtower?

And why is it Chloe that has to be this "beacon" for the JLA? Ugh.... they're force writing her into the show for s9... I really hope she's not around for s10....

None of you know how much time elapsed between the funeral and the Watchtower scene, some of you are just looking for things to be wrong. Every other time Chloe has just verbalized something to do with the JL without the audience seeing it happen you guys have been just fine, but now it's a big faux pas?

[CloisFan17]

Yeah true I agree with that

[drkmcc]

As an aside, I'm not sure what "end of the show" any of you were watching... but there is no Davis at the end of the episode. There's ZOD, which may or may not be ZOD in Davis' body... but I'm assuming, Davis is impaled after killing Jimmy, Chloe isn't just going to let him walk away... SO, he's dead. The two deaths of the episode were Davis/Jimmy but... WHAT ABOUT TESS?

[MethosII]

I have no doubt all 3 disappeared just as Clark did. Maybe some kind of transport system from Kandor? That we were made to believe that what was talking to Chloe was Clark ghost. But in reality they were all taken. But for what purpose as we do not yet know. Perhaps to be briefed on the return of Zod and what they may need to do to prepare for the coming battle with him?

I just had another thought. Perhaps there will be a time jump between the end of season 8 and season 9. And they will have Aaron Ashmore return still as the new Jimmy that is part of the Mythos.

[chlavisbug]

she is Crazy

[Darren5000]

We have:

Jimmy Olson dies, but what happens in the 'Superman arc'? This rewrites Lois and Clark to say the least to have JimmY olson dying!

Davis dies...but why was he trying to kill Jimmy?

Clark is still on this red/blue blur...when does he come up with Superman? does he read a DC comic book one day or stumble onto Lois and Clark the new Adventures of Superman playing out?

Lois vanishing...did she wind up in the future? Does she come back? Will she have to forget what she sees? Will she stumble onto Utopia and find out her future?

A figure comes out...is it possibly Michael Rosenbum returning as Luthor, and he's invaded by Zod again? Is Tess coming back next season?

Help, I regret I missed the finale, but least I can order the DVD. But tell me what happened tonight?

[Darren5000]

You think Chloe holds them to blame for Jimmy's death, and then from what I saw in the scenes, trying to take Clark out and Chloe wants to eliminate them?

That doesn't make sense when Chloe has helped them in the past.

Be kind of funny if they stole the scene from Dallas:

Chloe comes back, hears the shower going, assumes its' Lois, but Jimmy opens the door and says:

Good morning.

Chloe faints like Pam Ewing would do!

[ginnyfan]

I hope the Justice League hasn't disbanded. That's a good guess though. Maybe Oliver is still on the outs with Chloe and so he's keeping her in the dark about the League.

[amalie]

What was that whole scene with Clark disappearing in the doorway? Is that supposed to symbolize the fact that Clark Kent is "dead"?


Exactly what I was wondering:confused:

[Kschreck]

Obviously his ghost. What I'm confused about is what was going on in that closet. It looked like another dimension.


Are you talking about the door Clark walked out of? All there was, was a piece of plastic hanging down (probably because they couldn't show outside because of budget reasons).

[amalie]

Did they really need to symbloize anything, I think most of us got the hint when he said "Clark Kent is dead" without him fading through the doorway

[Brainy Pirate]

Here's my list of things that didn't make sense:

Rokk's prophecy didn't come true, but I can't see any good reason why it didn't. Why even bring him on the show?

The JLA didn't do ANYTHING onscreen -- the entire sum of their fight scenes was Ollie shooting an arrow into Clark. Why even bring them on? Plus, how did they capture Davis? Why did they tie him up with nothing but plastic? What did they do with him and Chloe in the 15 seconds it took Clark to get there? Why didn't DD kill them when he was split? Why are they said to be MIA when they were at the funeral? Why was Ollie crying over Jimmy?

What happened to Jimmy's drug addiction? How was he able to afford the rent on this loft when he couldn't afford money for drugs or his car? How in the world is that he had yelled at Chloe for hiding things, but never revealed to her that he has a brother with whom he shares a name?

And why didn't DD kill Davis? Why did Davis, who had been a good-guy (EMT) all season, go psycho on JIMMY because Chloe was talking about CLARK? And what happened to his body after he and Jimmy died?

If Tess was able to track Davis, why wasn't she doing so? And why would she think that LOIS of all people would be the most likely suspect to explode her vault from the inside? Wouldn't Clark and Davis be more likely? Or even Oliver, given his sudden appearance in her bed in the previous ep?

And why do Lois and Jimmy watch that video of Tess terrorizing Lex's previous assistant, if that information doesn't go anywhere with them? And why does Lois not wonder how Clark vanished out of the room when she had just looked at him 2 seconds earlier?

[Kschreck]

I'll try to answer your questions:


Jimmy Olson dies, but what happens in the 'Superman arc'? This rewrites Lois and Clark to say the least to have JimmY olson dying!
-This totally regresses a huge chunk of the story. Seems like Daily Planet employees are dropping like flys.

Davis dies...but why was he trying to kill Jimmy?
-The retconned the whole thing about Davis being good but being controlled by the beast. They removed the beast and Davis was still a monster now even though he shouldn't have been.

Clark is still on this red/blue blur...when does he come up with Superman? does he read a DC comic book one day or stumble onto Lois and Clark the new Adventures of Superman playing out?
-This show is plagued with budget problems and DC limitations meaning that Smallville simply isn't awesome enough to have Superman in full on it anymore.

Lois vanishing...did she wind up in the future? Does she come back? Will she have to forget what she sees? Will she stumble onto Utopia and find out her future?
-Budget issues will make it so that Lois will never get to travel to a future Metropolis. If she does learn anything significant, a mind wipe or bump on the head will quickly regress that story arc.

A figure comes out...is it possibly Michael Rosenbum returning as Luthor, and he's invaded by Zod again? Is Tess coming back next season?
-Michael Rosenbaum is smart enough NOT to come back to this show. No, it appeared that Zod will be played by... Sam Witwer. Hey cheap acting! Tess will likely be back in some capacity next season.

Help, I regret I missed the finale, but least I can order the DVD. But tell me what happened tonight?
-You don't even want to know what happened tonight. :(

----- Added 23 Minutes later -----

More questions I'll try to answer.


Here's my list of things that didn't make sense:

Rokk's prophecy didn't come true, but I can't see any good reason why it didn't. Why even bring him on the show?
-No logical idea, he served nearly no purpose other then getting another ring on the show.

The JLA didn't do ANYTHING onscreen -- the entire sum of their fight scenes was Ollie shooting an arrow into Clark. Why even bring them on?
-Budget issues.

Plus, how did they capture Davis?
-Magic? Who knows anymore, crap writing!

Why did they tie him up with nothing but plastic?
-More dumbness.

What did they do with him and Chloe in the 15 seconds it took Clark to get there?
-More offscreenville crap.

Why didn't DD kill them when he was split?
-Apparently Doomsday became conviently not a killer when those guys were around.

Why are they said to be MIA when they were at the funeral?
-Poor writing

Why was Ollie crying over Jimmy?
-I could see him being sad but Oliver barely knew Jimmy... erm or is it now Henry? Nothing made sense in this episode and the writers are crap.

What happened to Jimmy's drug addiction?
-Offscreenvile action.

How was he able to afford the rent on this loft when he couldn't afford money for drugs or his car?
-Apparently it is claimed that he actually owned he property but even if he was only renting, why the heck would he keep it around and not live in it or whatever. Dumbness all around.

How in the world is that he had yelled at Chloe for hiding things, but never revealed to her that he has a brother with whom he shares a name?
-The writers quickly wrote that in so they could quickly kill off Jimmy because of budget reasons and recon his existence.

And why didn't DD kill Davis?
-Because Doomsday is friendly now... LAWL

Why did Davis, who had been a good-guy (EMT) all season, go psycho on JIMMY because Chloe was talking about CLARK?
-Because it fit the plot there and then so they reconned Davis's character as a good guy caught up in this mess. How the heck does Davis not have any powers since he is partly Kryptonian.

And what happened to his body after he and Jimmy died?
-Who knows, buried in offscreenville I guess.

If Tess was able to track Davis, why wasn't she doing so?
-Another plot hole.

And why would she think that LOIS of all people would be the most likely suspect to explode her vault from the inside?
-Another stupid thing.

Wouldn't Clark and Davis be more likely? Or even Oliver, given his sudden appearance in her bed in the previous ep?
-You would think so and yes Tess is smart enough to know this but the writers are not.

And why do Lois and Jimmy watch that video of Tess terrorizing Lex's previous assistant, if that information doesn't go anywhere with them?
-Yeah specially when Regan died like half a season ago. Is he back to life or something? Reconned their own plots?

And why does Lois not wonder how Clark vanished out of the room when she had just looked at him 2 seconds earlier?
-Ya got me!


All good questions but unfortunately the writers are just so lazy that they don't care if there are plot holes in EVERY scene they film. Horrible writing for a horrible episode. I really don't want these two writers as the top two producers for season nine and ten. Man this sucks!

[razta]

WTF?! and I REALLY DO MEAN IT!

this episode totally confused me..
WHAT HAPPENED - and WHY?!

please can all you knowledgeable fans enlighten me.

[-Nora-]

Which part did you not understand?

[razta]

Which part did you not understand?
Apart from the main doomsday fight- everything else
*Tess and Orb
*Chloe and Clark
*Jimmy being killed off
etc
etc

[Estro-gen X]

Tess believes Kandor (the kryptonian shrunken city) is in the orb. At the end we've see it prepared for the destruction of Doomsday and a mysterious man is released from it. He is probably Zod. Whether Kandor is actually inside or whether it was a ruse is yet to be explained.

Clark forgave Chloe because everything turned out OK, but the actions of Davis, Chloe, Oliver and Justice League has made him lose a little faith in humanity. He's less idealistic than before.

Jimmy was retconned into being a fake. His brother is the Jimmy Olsen we know from the comics.

[razta]

Thanks for that..

So this means?

[Estro-gen X]

that means you'll have to wait until september to see how its all resolved

[razta]

that means you'll have to wait until september to see how its all resolved
Thanks again Nikki...

[Astral Projection]

Seriously, So confused about the clark chloe scene at the end when chloe said:

"Dinah, Oliver and Bart all disappeared. Maybe its up to us to bring them back home."


What the hell!?!?! The were all at the funeral?!! so what was she talking about, did i seriously miss something.

[amalie]

Seriously, So confused about the clark chloe scene at the end when chloe said:

"Dinah, Oliver and Bart all disappeared. Maybe its up to us to bring them back home."


What the hell!?!?! The were all at the funeral?!! so what was she talking about, did i seriously miss something.


The only thing that I can think of is that after the funeral they just vanished, completely off the map. It definitely need soem explanation though, as did a few other aspects of the plot.

[magic]

ok, I've had some time to think about it, and this is the best idea I can piece together.

Clark Jimmy and Davis all died.
Lois went to the future to the Legion, the Legion took her as well as Bart Oliver and Dinah after the funeral to a time where Jimmy's little brother is grown up, thats why Chloe said they disappeared.
Clark is actually a ghost inside the Orb now, and he let go of his human side.
and now Kal-El will be reborn as well as Zod through the Orb.
in time he will be superman and meet up with Lois and the JL in the future.

[roccanater]

Yeah. Chloe will try to get them all back next season.

[wafflles87]

I listened to that two times to make sure I heard right.

I was like "Uhmm... wha?? They were like... right THERE!!"

The episode script must like like one of those albums with newspaper clippings. Pieces taken from here, pieces taken from there, pieces cut out, etc..

[<<S>>]

I think all it meant is they all left/dissapeared directly after the funeral and chloe just doesn't know where they went.

That's what I think. I think she meant like they are off the grid, and she can't contact them.

[ChrisMac]

We have to keep in mind though, that we never did see what happened to Davis's body. We assume that it Jimmy/Henry in the casket, but where did Davis's body go? Its entirely possible that its now inhabited by Zod OR an agent of Zod (which, by the way, could be a really great big bad for season 9). I have to hand it to the writers though... they sure have us talking about the episode. However, as others have mentioned, we won't really know whats completely going on until the first episode of season 9.

Is it September yet? I need season 9 lol :)

[LOONEY]

At first i thought Zod somehow took over Clark, or that Clark was Kal-El :P

Clark is ALWAYS Kal-El he can't change who he is ppl.

[eas]

A few other annoying things...

1) How did Jimmy afford that place on his salary? And how was he keeping up with the mortgage when he had a drug addiction to support and he stopped working?

2) Why was Lois looking for a new place (did she ever even find one) when Jimmy planned to move Chloe & him into this fantastic place? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Jimmy to unveil this BEFORE the wedding, so he didn't have to move twice?

3) Lois is missing - doesn't even come to Jimmy's funeral - and Chloe thinks it's a bigger priority to check out her new digs and dream of how to decorate the Watchtower pad than it is to go... I don't know... LOOKING FOR HER COUSIN?!?! And her response to Clark confirming Lois's death is to saying, "Yeah, I saw someone tacking up her photo on a missing person's board." Um... who is that person? That person must love Lois a hell of a lot more than Chloe does. [And, this sucks even more because Lois was frantic when Chloe was missing and she was willing to give up her career for her.]

4) Why didn't the Justice League take Davis into custody after the "split"? He's still a serial killer.

5) A whole year of having "Chloe and Davis 4evah!" shoved down our throats, we're suddenly told she was doing it all for Clark -- while being madly in love with Jimmy! Yeah, that doesn't explain why she thought Jimmy was lying in "Turbulence" and took Davis's side -- well BEFORE she knew he was Doomsday and that he was going to kill Clark.

[Hopefulsuicide]

There was so much that made no sense...

TBH, am I the only one that entirely does not understand what they did with Doomsday?

I know they were going to bury him under the earth... and there was something about the JL setting charges... but what actually happened????

Seems to have all been in offscreenville, but I guess i just dont see how the explosion made sure Doomsday stayed buried...

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

And her response to Clark confirming Lois's death is to saying, "Yeah, I saw someone tacking up her photo on a missing person's board." Um... who is that person? That person must love Lois a hell of a lot more than Chloe does. .

:rotfl:

[amalie]

A few other annoying things...

1) How did Jimmy afford that place on his salary? And how was he keeping up with the mortgage when he had a drug addiction to support and he stopped working?

2) Why was Lois looking for a new place (did she ever even find one) when Jimmy planned to move Chloe & him into this fantastic place? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Jimmy to unveil this BEFORE the wedding, so he didn't have to move twice?

3) Lois is missing - doesn't even come to Jimmy's funeral - and Chloe thinks it's a bigger priority to check out her new digs and dream of how to decorate the Watchtower pad than it is to go... I don't know... LOOKING FOR HER COUSIN?!?! And her response to Clark confirming Lois's death is to saying, "Yeah, I saw someone tacking up her photo on a missing person's board." Um... who is that person? That person must love Lois a hell of a lot more than Chloe does. [And, this sucks even more because Lois was frantic when Chloe was missing and she was willing to give up her career for her.]

4) Why didn't the Justice League take Davis into custody after the "split"? He's still a serial killer.

5) A whole year of having "Chloe and Davis 4evah!" shoved down our throats, we're suddenly told she was doing it all for Clark -- while being madly in love with Jimmy! Yeah, that doesn't explain why she thought Jimmy was lying in "Turbulence" and took Davis's side -- well BEFORE she knew he was Doomsday and that he was going to kill Clark.

All excellent points. Chloe's response to Lois being missing was appalling.

[Krpyto]

1) One word, MONEY. The CW spent it all over at 90210 and GG for prada bags

2) Lois putting the ring on is another plot device. In order to "line up with the mythos" they need to morph Lois into the Lois at the DP we know from the mythos. ie: at somepoint she will return not knowing CK prior to meeting him at the DP

3) That Jimmy that died is not the Jimmy of the mythos. Jimmy's brother is the JImmy of the mythos. Chloe gave him the camera. This is the "lining up fo the mythos" Jimmy Olsen is younger than Clark and didn't know CK prior to working at the DP. Again, a hint that Lois will also be changed.

4)DD is now buried under the ground as he was in the comics. It is when he is let out down the road that CK is Superman and DD kills him. Again, lining up with the mythos.

Thats all very interesting however I dont know if I like it or not. Part of me would be happy to see Lois reappearing at the Daily Planet not knowing Clark and lining up with the mythos, but another part would be like wtf the last 4 seasons didn't happen??

But in order to totally line up with the mythos there cannot be a Chloe unless they do align her with the watchtower, I guess that could fit in.

I am past ready to see Clark fly. If he is going to accept his kryptonian heritage that means flying, being the red-blue blur and BEING Superman in full costume.

Even though I did not like Doomsday perhaps it was a necessary evil to fix all the things wrong with Smallville.

[Sharkie]

They split up and disappeared after the funeral, it seemed pretty obvious to me at least.

Well, the way it was written made it sound like they were caught in the blast, along with Lois. That's what makes no sense.

[Pacheito]

So, if Zod was in the phantom zone, how can he come back from the orb?

Why didnt Brainiac thought of finding the Orb instead of making Lex a vesel?