Eternal's retcon... retconned?

[Fallen One]

Tess isn't the Clark cultist that I thought she was. Tonight she was revealed to be a Zod cultist. She's been playing Clark the whole time.

And by the events of tonight's episode and her convo with that orb, it seems she's been trying to manipulate Clark into fighting Doomsday so that the both of them could kill each other. Not because she truly believed Clark to be a savior.. but for the glory that Zod promised her. To be proclaimed as a savior for a people herself.

Now with her actions revealed, seem to me that everything she said about the Naman/Segeeth prophecy (and pretty much everything she's told Clark throughout this entire season) was just her attempt to manipulate Clark and wasn't actually true. Just a web of lies to achieve her goal.

Who else feels like this?

[AndiGirl]

Tess isn't the Clark cultist that I thought she was, tonight she was revealed to be a Zod cultist. She's been playing Clark the whole time.

And by the events of tonight episode and her convo with that orb, it seems she's been trying to manipulate Clark into fighting Doomsday so that the both of them could kill each other. Not because she truly believed Clark to be a savior.. but for the glory that Zod promised her. To be proclaimed as a savior for a people herself.

Now with her actions revealed, seem to me that everything she said about the Naman/Segeeth prophecy (and pretty much everything she's told Clark throughout this entire season) was just her attempt to manipulate Clark, and wasn't actually true. Just a web of lies.

Who else feels like this?

I'm still not honestly sure where Tess's loyalties lie. Im not convinced she really destroyed the crystal. She didnt say how she did it...or anything. Seems a bit off to me.

But I agree, if she truly did destroy the crystal....then it's not looking good for Tess.

[ginnyfan]

Tess as a Disciple of Zod is much cooler than Tess as a Disciple of Clark. From Lex to Zod... is that an evil upgrade?

[Cogito17]

I think it's too early to tell.

Whoever is in the orb could just be telling her that she is doing will in fact help Clark, manipulating her into doing it under that guise, all the while knowing that Doomsday could kill Clark (the person in the orb knows, not Tess). Kind of like how Brainiac duped Lex into helping him under the guise that he was helping the planet in season 5 with the vaccine.

[xrayvision]

Zod is dead though. His phantom was sucked into the crystal which consumed his entire existence to revive the Fortress. Also, how could Zod speak through the orb? What evidence is there that says the orb is related to Zod?

I tend to think the orb is the Eradicator, because it is the very device that seeks to re-establish Kryptonian culture.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

Zod is dead though. His phantom was sucked into the crystal which consumed his entire existence to revive the Fortress. Also, how could Zod speak through the orb? What evidence is there that says the orb is related to Zod?

I tend to think the orb is the Eradicator, because it is the very device that seeks to re-establish Kryptonian culture.

Ditto, there is no evidence that Zod has anything to do with anything happening right now.

[Clana4Life]

Ditto, there is no evidence that Zod has anything to do with anything happening right now.

Yeah, I for one think it's ZOR-EL not Zod that was speaking tonight. You know the whole Zor-El/Kandor connection. I think the writers are throwing everyone off with the "Z" but "Z" doesn't always have to be for Zod.

[davidbrenton]

Yeah, I think that was the jist of it. Although, I really wish the actor-whoever it was-was more clear with the words at the end so it was more understandable. Or maybe the music was too loud. I had to replay it 3 times to attempt to hear him.

[xrayvision]

Yeah, I for one think it's ZOR-EL not Zod that was speaking tonight. You know the whole Zor-El/Kandor connection. I think the writers are throwing everyone off with the "Z" but "Z" doesn't always have to be for Zod.

I hoped that Zor-El and Kandor would have been tied to the Survival Zone last season, but they weren't. I don't think they should bother bringing those back at this time. I would love to see the Survival Zone sometime, but would much rather have Intergang be the main villians next year.

Now if there is a season 10, then I'd like Intergang to start forming next year and have them get built up while another villian exists and for Intergang to then become the main villians of season 10. That's how they did it with Lionel (built him up in season 2 and he became the main baddie in season 3).

[Clana4Life]

I hoped that Zor-El and Kandor would have been tied to the Survival Zone last season, but they weren't. I don't think they should bother bringing those back at this time. I would love to see the Survival Zone sometime, but would much rather have Intergang be the main villians next year.

Now if there is a season 10, then I'd like Intergang to start forming next year and have them get built up while another villian exists and for Intergang to then become the main villians of season 10. That's how they did it with Lionel (built him up in season 2 and he became the main baddie in season 3).

Could you explain a little bit more about the Survival Zone. The writers may in fact be visiting this story. Zor-El has been known to keep his life force around in crystals, so it's not a stretch to think he can do it in orbs. Are there Kryptonians in the Survival Zone? Zor-El is an interesting villain in that I don't know very much at all about him. I had a whole movie about ZOD - Superman II. I'd rather it be Zor-El than Zod and he can take over Davis' body, making Tess and Zor-Davis the new bad villain couple.

[xrayvision]

The Survival Zone is a dimension like the Phantom Zone, but for survivors of Krypton, not criminals. It was discovered by Zor-El.

If the orb is the Eradicator, then maybe it wants to restore the Fortress to release the inhabitants of the Survival Zone to Earth.

The interesting thing is we don't know what happened to the real Zor-El. If he did in fact make a portal to the Survival Zone & jumped into it, then he could be alive. Maybe the Eradicator knows this and wants to restore Kryptonian culture instead on Earth by freeing those stuck in the Survival Zone.

[HowardFilms]

I don't think Zod would want Doomsday dead, Doomsday is sort of the Zod line representative right now. Much more likely it's Zor-El.

Does this mean Kara in S9? Cuz...doesn't she have, i dunno, a career now?

[xrayvision]

Yeah, Laura Vandervoort has her own show now. Upcoming anyway.

[Clana4Life]

Yeah, Laura Vandervoort has her own show now. Upcoming anyway.


Wow, the Survival Zone sounds very interesting. I like that storyline. It makes a lot of sense with what was said last night. Now that you've told me this info about the Survival Zone, I'm pretty much convinced.

Would love for Kara to come back. Maybe she can make a guest appearance?

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I don't think Zod would want Doomsday dead, Doomsday is sort of the Zod line representative right now. Much more likely it's Zor-El.

Does this mean Kara in S9? Cuz...doesn't she have, i dunno, a career now?

Good point, why would Zod want his son dead? Doesn't make sense.

[xrayvision]

Wow, the Survival Zone sounds very interesting. I like that storyline. It makes a lot of sense with what was said last night. Now that you've told me this info about the Survival Zone, I'm pretty much convinced.

Would love for Kara to come back. Maybe she can make a guest appearance?

Here's something I'd like to see:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4817001&postcount=23

[Clana4Life]

Here's something I'd like to see:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4817001&postcount=23

That's very interesting. The more I hear about this, the more I hope it happens. Although, do you think that Zor-El could possibly inhabit Davis' body if they didn't want to free up everyone from the Survival Zone. Also, is everyone in the Survival Zone bad like in the PHantom Zone? Otherwise, I don't see why Clark wouldn't want to help free his own people.
Why would he work against this?

[xrayvision]

I don't think they're all bad. I think this would be Smallville's version of the New Krypton storyline that's going on in the comics now. The storyline is actually very interesting and I wondered if something like it could be done on Smallville.

Another sign that the voice wasn't Zod's is the New Krypton storyline. In the storyline, Doomsday's latest death came at the hands of 12-20 Kandorians who along with Superman bashed in Doomsday's skull until they crushed it. I don't think Zod would want to free any Kandorians who would certainly feel threatened by Doomsday and help Clark kill him. Therefore, I doubt it's Zod's voice we heard.

[Clana4Life]

I don't think they're all bad. I think this would be Smallville's version of the New Krypton storyline that's going on in the comics now. The storyline is actually very interesting and I wondered if something like it could be done on Smallville.

Another sign that the voice wasn't Zod's is the New Krypton storyline. In the storyline, Doomsday's latest death came at the hands of 12-20 Kandorians who along with Superman bashed in Doomsday's skull until they crushed it. I don't think Zod would want to free any Kandorians who would certainly feel threatened by Doomsday and help Clark kill him. Therefore, I doubt it's Zod's voice we heard.

I'm going to have to pick up these comics. I like graphic novels more than comics. Any Superman graphic novel recommendations? Would you PM me those? Also, in these new comics is there a potential Kryptonian love interest for Superman - someone with whom he could have a family?

[Jlvsclrk]

Whatever, it would seem to confirm what I thought in S7 - that Jor-El wouldn't have sent the device to Earth, or would definitely have put better controls on its use.

And I would point out that just because the voice says its from Kandor, doesn't mean its speaking the truth. It could be Darkseid for all we know!

Anyways, I love the idea that someone has been playing Tess the whole season long, and that's how she figured out Clark's secrets so quickly. It's not that she's any smarter than Lex, she just had better contacts - and I would suggest is more gullible.

[wolverine316]

Tess isn't the Clark cultist that I thought she was. Tonight she was revealed to be a Zod cultist. She's been playing Clark the whole time.

And by the events of tonight's episode and her convo with that orb, it seems she's been trying to manipulate Clark into fighting Doomsday so that the both of them could kill each other. Not because she truly believed Clark to be a savior.. but for the glory that Zod promised her. To be proclaimed as a savior for a people herself.

Now with her actions revealed, seem to me that everything she said about the Naman/Segeeth prophecy (and pretty much everything she's told Clark throughout this entire season) was just her attempt to manipulate Clark and wasn't actually true. Just a web of lies to achieve her goal.

Who else feels like this?


How was she playing Clark:confused: Clark still doesn't trust her, and scoffs at the savior stuff, plus he still won't kill doomsday despite her telling him so.

[Davis Bloome]

Tess certainly has evil ways but evil enough to serve Zod willingly. I'm sceptical, cause she may have done as he asked, but is Zod deceiving her, pretending that this will help Clark? I didn't quite catch what the voice said so I couldn't make sure who it actually was, but if it's Zod, again does she know who she is helping, or is pretending to help?

[costas22]

I think that Zod(if that's his voice) is deceiving her making her believe that she is helping Clark and that in return she will be Kandor's savior. Too be honest, it didn't feel like a retcon. Her bizarre behavior ever since Eternal is starting to make sense. The real retcon is the use of the orb.

[justme_007]

Tess is the Judas then.

[Fallen One]

I think that Zod(if that's his voice) is deceiving her making her believe that she is helping Clark and that in return she will be Kandor's savior. Too be honest, it didn't feel like a retcon. Her bizarre behavior ever since Eternal is starting to make sense. The real retcon is the use of the orb.
We're on the same wave length, Costas.

Basically what I'm saying is that this voice from the orb told her about this "prophecy" and made her believe Davis is Segeeth, and she believed it 100%. Then she tried to get Clark to believe it. Thats the manipulation I was talking about. It makes everything she said in Eternal about the naman prophecy a crock.

This voice from the orb (no matter if its Zod or the Eradicator) has her fooled and she'll do anything to please it. This voice wants Clark dead, thats why it wants Clark to fight Doomsday. It's lying to Tess about its true motives and is using her to make sure that Kal and Doomsday fight. And now it made her destroy the crystals to ensure that Clark can't send Dooms to the PZ. Know what else that does? It also ensures that, should Clark manage to survive, that he has no way to send this voice to the PZ either when it comes to Earth.

Like I said, its manipulating her and she's trying to manipulate Clark, believing that she's this savior to Kandorians when she's not.

And now, who knows how far this goes back? She could have found this orb in Odyssey and could have been talking to it the entire season. It could be why she hired Clark and was suspicious about him. All that stuff she told Clark in Turbulence about finding Lex journal (a journal we never saw by the way) was probably a lie too. She's been searching for Kal El just so she can know who to pin against Doomsday.

The orb did open up some questions, but it also explains a lot of Tess' weird behavior this season.

[costas22]

And now, who knows how far this goes back? She could have found this orb in Odyssey and could have been talking to it the entire season. It could be why she hired Clark and was suspicious about him. All that stuff she told Clark in Turbulence about finding Lex journal (a journal we never saw by the way) was probably a lie too. She's been searching for Kal El just so she can know who to pin against Doomsday.

The orb did open up some questions, but it also explains a lot of Tess' weird behavior this season.

Yes we do agree on the retconed retcon Cedric. And maybe in this case two wrongs did make a right. As far as the quoted portion of your post, it's what has had me scratching my head today. I have always believed that this was not how they wanted Tess to play out. I thought they were forced to have her act like this because their plans about her future on the show had changed. I mean, what are the odds? She goes to look for Lex at the Arctic and ends up with the FOS crystal and the orb? Eat your heart out Indiana Jones. One thing is for sure. Had they unraveled these events over a longer period of time, they might have made more people get interested about her.

[DestinyAw8s]

Tess looked pretty euphoric when the orb enveloped her. Maybe she's become some kind of orb junkie...or something. She succeeds, she gets rewarded. Don't know really, just my thoughts on it.

[daxam77]

My mind went to Brainiac (or some remaining form of him) when I heard the word Kandor. But there was the Z symbol, so after thinking about it a bit, I did wonder if Zor-El might be a choice for the orb's voice.

[BWOracle]

That was not a retcon in Eternal...

As Clark said in Season 3 Talisman, they didn't have a written language so it comes from an oral tradition with a million interpretations.

The two headed creature represents Clark and Doomsday.

The knife disintegrated because it was touched by Clark's greatest enemy...Lex.

Every time you see what you think is retcon in Smallville try to use your imagination and 9 times out of 10 it wasn't.

[xrayvision]

That was not a retcon in Eternal...

As Clark said in Season 3 Talisman, they didn't have a written language so it comes from an oral tradition with a million interpretations.

The two headed creature represents Clark and Doomsday.

The knife disintegrated because it was touched by Clark's greatest enemy...Lex.

Every time you see what you think is retcon in Smallville try to use your imagination and 9 times out of 10 it wasn't.

This is just wrong. The 2 headed creature was said to be Sageeth. Just like Naman had a graphical/pictoral representation in the cave, so did Sageeth. They didn't need a written language for that. As soon as Kyla saw the 2 headed creature, she immediately knew it was Sageeth and even said so. TPTB even went as far to zoom in on the monster eye of Sageeth (the 2 headed monster) and showed that the island Lex (Sageeth) was stranded on in Exile had the exact same shape as the eye. They couldn't have been more obvious about it.

The thing that told me Eternal wasn't a retcon as far as the stuff Tess was saying was that Clark called what Tess said a fictional prophecy. This tells me that he knows the real prophecy is true (as he witnessed himself) and that Tess' version is BS/wrong/poppycock.