Why did destroying the crystal save Kandor?

[galatians221]

I'm really not following this and I hope someone who follows the mythos can help me. Tess tells Clark that destroying the crystal was done to "save an entire civilization". Then Zod or whoever was in the orb, after learning from Tess that the crystal was destroyed according to his directions stated that Tess would now be the savior of Kandor. How so? I mean I just don't get the connection between the crystal, the orb and Kandor.

Second question; how can Krypton be destroyed but the city survived? Is a city minus a planet floating in outer space? I just don't get it. I'd like to understand before I see Doomsday next week.

[mr lane]

I'm really not following this and I hope someone who follows the mythos can help me. Tess tells Clark that destroying the crystal was done to "save an entire civilization". Then Zod or whoever was in the orb, after learning from Tess that the crystal was destroyed according to his directions stated that Tess would now be the savior of Kandor. How so? I mean I just don't get the connection between the crystal, the orb and Kandor.

Second question; how can Krypton be destroyed but the city survived? Is a city minus a planet floating in outer space? I just don't get it. I'd like to understand before I see Doomsday next week.

In the comics before Krypton was destroyed Brainiac captured the city of Kandor in a bottle or a snow globe type deal to save it which caused it to shrink to a miniature city

[galatians221]

In the comics before Krypton was destroyed Brainiac captured the city of Kandor in a bottle or a snow globe type deal to save it which caused it to shrink to a miniature city

I'm not being sarcastic, but are there miniature people inside of this miniature city? Was the orb that engulfed Tess Kandor?? Lastly, why is Kandor important? Will Zod destroy earth in order to resurrect Kandor? I mean, does earth have anything to do with Kandor? Does earth have to be destroyed for Kandor to rise?

[mr lane]

I'm not being sarcastic, but are there miniature people inside of this miniature city? Was the orb that engulfed Tess Kandor?? Lastly, why is Kandor important? Will Zod destroy earth in order to resurrect Kandor? I mean, does earth have anything to do with Kandor? Does earth have to be destroyed for Kandor to rise?

lol yeah the people captured in the globe were miniature people

here is a short sumarry of Superman: The New Krypton

Following the events of the Brainiac (story arc), the entire city of Kandor now resides near the Fortress of Solitude in the North Pole, populated by 100,000 Kryptonians.

Although distracted by the recent death of his adoptive father, Jonathan Kent, Superman attempts to aid the Kryptonians in their assimilation with the rest of the Earth, something very few Kryptonians seem interested in, including the city’s leaders, Zor-El and Alura, Supergirl’s parents.

After the first televised meeting between the President of the United States and a delegation from Kandor is interrupted by a rampaging Doomsday, Zor-El and Alura form a task force determined to preemptively end any future threat to Kandor by capturing Superman’s worst villains and trapping them in the Phantom Zone. However, several human police officers are killed when they refuse to hand over the Parasite, enraging Superman.

At the same time, Lex Luthor, who has been recruited by General Sam Lane to halt the Kryptonian “invasion,” gains control of Brainiac and unleashes his robot army from within the depths of the alien’s spaceship, currently being held in Kandor. During the fight, Metallo and Reactron, who are working for Luthor and General Lane, are brought into Kandor as Trojan horses containing Kryptonite. Reactron manages to kill Supergirl’s father, Zor-El.

Alura’s anger causes her to denounce humanity. Members of the Justice League and Justice Society arrive in Kandor, lead by the Guardian demanding the city turn over those who murdered the police officers, and a large-scale battle erupts, with Superman in the middle. It only ends when Kryptonian scientists manage to use Brainiac’s technology to lift Kandor off the Earth and grow an entirely new planet underneath it, called “New Krypton,” on the other side of the solar system, directly opposite the Earth, and therefore hidden by the sun.

Alura tells Superman that he is not welcome on New Krypton, although Supergirl takes up residence there with her mother. In the end, Alura frees General Zod from the Phantom Zone to help her lead their people.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton

[galatians221]

lol yeah the people captured in the globe were miniature people

here is a short sumarry of Superman: The New Krypton

Following the events of the Brainiac (story arc), the entire city of Kandor now resides near the Fortress of Solitude in the North Pole, populated by 100,000 Kryptonians.

Although distracted by the recent death of his adoptive father, Jonathan Kent, Superman attempts to aid the Kryptonians in their assimilation with the rest of the Earth, something very few Kryptonians seem interested in, including the city’s leaders, Zor-El and Alura, Supergirl’s parents.

After the first televised meeting between the President of the United States and a delegation from Kandor is interrupted by a rampaging Doomsday, Zor-El and Alura form a task force determined to preemptively end any future threat to Kandor by capturing Superman’s worst villains and trapping them in the Phantom Zone. However, several human police officers are killed when they refuse to hand over the Parasite, enraging Superman.

At the same time, Lex Luthor, who has been recruited by General Sam Lane to halt the Kryptonian “invasion,” gains control of Brainiac and unleashes his robot army from within the depths of the alien’s spaceship, currently being held in Kandor. During the fight, Metallo and Reactron, who are working for Luthor and General Lane, are brought into Kandor as Trojan horses containing Kryptonite. Reactron manages to kill Supergirl’s father, Zor-El.

Alura’s anger causes her to denounce humanity. Members of the Justice League and Justice Society arrive in Kandor, lead by the Guardian demanding the city turn over those who murdered the police officers, and a large-scale battle erupts, with Superman in the middle. It only ends when Kryptonian scientists manage to use Brainiac’s technology to lift Kandor off the Earth and grow an entirely new planet underneath it, called “New Krypton,” on the other side of the solar system, directly opposite the Earth, and therefore hidden by the sun.

Alura tells Superman that he is not welcome on New Krypton, although Supergirl takes up residence there with her mother. In the end, Alura frees General Zod from the Phantom Zone to help her lead their people.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton

Wow, my head is spinning. I would guess that Superman can fly in this scenario. I wonder how all of this fits in with the season finale?

[dru-zod2501]

Mr Lane can answer the Kandor questions.

For my money, I'm not convinced that the orb really meant Kandor. I'm operating under the assumption that it was Zod & Faora communicating to Tess. They saw how much she wants to play hero, what easier way to manipulate her than by making her believe she was acting for the good of the Kryptonian species

[mr lane]

Mr Lane can answer the Kandor questions. For my money, I'm not convinced that the orb really meant Kandor. I'm operating under the assumption that it was Zod & Faora communicating to Tess. They saw how much she wants to play hero, what easier way to manipulate her than by making her believe she was acting for the good of the Kryptonian species

Agreed

[galatians221]

Mr Lane can answer the Kandor questions. For my money, I'm not convinced that the orb really meant Kandor. I'm operating under the assumption that it was Zod & Faora communicating to Tess. They saw how much she wants to play hero, what easier way to manipulate her than by making her believe she was acting for the good of the Kryptonian species

Which leads me to ask why Tess would give a rip about the Kryptonian species? It just doesn't add up to me. Does she want Clark to destroy Doomsday or just the opposite. My head continues to spin.

[mr lane]

Wow, my head is spinning. I would guess that Superman can fly in this scenario. I wonder how all of this fits in with the season finale?

i should have mentioned that that scenario takes place after superman releases all the miniature people from the miniature city in the globe lol

which is when they take residence at the north pole

im not sure how much they want this to fit into the finale i think the show is just trying to manipulate this part of the mythos to its advantage

remember in bloodline when Kara said she was off to try and find kandor due to rumors she heard in the PZ? i wonder how much of that was true

[KryptoKnight]

Yeah, Kandor was a small chunk of Krypton floating in a bubble. Saving Kandor could be a great storyline to follow up on. Gotta give kudos to whoever dropped Kandor on us.

[galatians221]

i should have mentioned that that scenario takes place after superman releases all the miniature people from the miniature city in the globe lol

which is when they take residence at the north pole

im not sure how much they want this to fit into the finale i think the show is just trying to manipulate this part of the mythos to its advantage

remember in bloodline when Kara said she was off to try and find kandor due to rumors she heard in the PZ? i wonder how much of that was true

Is this where Santa Claus and the elves came from???

[Cogito17]

I think at this point we're not supposed to have the full picture of what's going on. There is a chance the SV story will lead into a story similar to the New Krypton story in the comics, but there is just as good a chance the SV story will go in a much different direction. The ending of the episode was a cliffhanger leaving viewers with lots of questions, hopefully a lot of which will be answered in the next episode.

Most of the stuff regarding the orb/Tess/Kandor is just speculation at this point.

[dru-zod2501]

Which leads me to ask why Tess would give a rip about the Kryptonian species? It just doesn't add up to me. Does she want Clark to destroy Doomsday or just the opposite. My head continues to spin.
Superman, or anyone else in the REAL Justice League, would give a rip about other civilzations not just on earth. It's Lex who would be xenophobic and Human-centric and in Tess' mind she doesn't want to be anything like Lex, she hopes to be a real hero

[latingirl]

I Think that whatever is talking with Tess, it is not interesting to save the Humanity or Kandor's People,

they or he/she wants to eliminated clark to the scene in order to have a clean route to conquer the Earth...someone LIKE ZOD ;)
with NOT PZ crystal Clark has all probabilities to die during his fight against DD;)

[Lilah]

Can someone break down that scene for me and what was said. I just caught bits and pieces so I'm like what??? My head is spinning....

Off to watch SPN now... lalalalalalala... lol =]

[galatians221]

I Think that whatever is talking with Tess, it is not interesting to save the Humanity or Kandor's People,

they or he/she wants to eliminated clark to the scene in order to have a clean route to conquer the Earth... LIKE ZOD ;) with NOT PZ crystal Clark has all probabilities to die during his fight against DD;)
and Tess will be kill during her journey to help "kandor" for the Owner of the Voice in the Orbit....

If Clark kills or gets rid of Doomsday does that defeat the plans for Kandor? It doesn't add up for me. Does earth have to be destroyed as Zod has always planned or does he just want all humans destroyed and the miniature people to replace them (us)?

[latingirl]

If Clark kills or gets rid of Doomsday does that defeat the plans for Kandor? It doesn't add up for me. Does earth have to be destroyed as Zod has always planned or does he just want all humans destroyed and the miniature people to replace them (us)?
exactly: Zod is coming.
maybe the Kandor's story is a trick to manipulated Tess.
No Clark, No opponent to Zod.. easy way to destroy the Earth and rise NK or whatever he wants call it

:)

[KryptoKnight]

I think this is just great. If Zod is coming, can he destroy Smallville and force everyone to becaome part of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles?

[galatians221]

exactly: Zod is coming.
maybe the Kandor's story is a trick to manipulated Tess.
No Clark, No opponent to Zod.. easy way to destroy the Earth and rise NK or whatever he wants call it

:)

So.........if Clark defeats Doomsday Zod is defeated also????

[jsith99]

I think this is just great. If Zod is coming, can he destroy Smallville and force everyone to becaome part of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles?

LOL Well they did do a Terminator VS Superman in the comics so It wouldn't really be a mythos violation

[latingirl]

So.........if Clark defeats Doomsday Zod is defeated also????

yes and Not :p

if Clarks defeats DD next week the answer i think is YEs, BUT we know that this is not PS plan;)
meanwhile Clark defeat DD and spent 1 more episode to looking for LOIS during the Next Season, Zod could have enough time to escape and he will Take a littler time to planning his return to Metropolis to make Clark's Life DARk like PS said it ... :)

Tough future time to Clark

[Exedore]

If it truly is the Eradicator then this might be the reason he/it wanted the crystal destroyed: so that Clark would have no choice but to kill Doomsday. The Eradicator wants to turn Clark into what thinks to be the "ideal Kryptonian". In the comics he once brainwashed Superman into a ruthless being who almost committed murder. When the Eradicator became the "hero" called the Last Son of Krypton, "he" did not hesitate to use brutal force. He/it probably wants Clark to learn to kill and become a ruthless soldier of sorts. Remember that it was talking about some prophecy that Kal El has to fulfill. Probably it has to do with bringing Kandor back. Perhaps it considers becoming the "ideal Kryptonian" is the only way that Clark can "save" Kandor and/or recreate Krypton on Earth via Kandor. And since Tess is helping it to achieve this, she is indirectly becoming Kandor's saviour from its POV.

Kandor could be trapped inside the PZ or the Survival Zone (hopefully it's the latter).

[galatians221]

If it truly is the Eradicator then this might be the reason he/it wanted the crystal destroyed: so that Clark would have no choice but to kill Doomsday. The Eradicator wants to turn Clark into what thinks to be the "ideal Kryptonian". In the comics he once brainwashed Superman into a ruthless being who almost committed murder. When the Eradicator became the "hero" called the Last Son of Krypton, "he" did not hesitate to use brutal force. He/it probably wants Clark to learn to kill and become a ruthless soldier of sorts. Remember that it was talking about some prophecy that Kal El has to fulfill. Probably it has to do with bringing Kandor back. Perhaps it considers becoming the "ideal Kryptonian" is the only way that Clark can "save" Kandor and/or recreate Krypton on Earth via Kandor. And since Tess is helping it to achieve this, she is indirectly becoming Kandor's saviour from its POV.

Kandor could be trapped inside the PZ or the Survival Zone (hopefully it's the latter).

This is so complicated. I just wish Clark could fly. This stuff should not be taking place with Clark not yet fully Superman. What a mess.

[superman 1]

the kandor storyline looks like it could be awesome i hope they do it justice with it being rescued and taken back to the fortress of solitude and clark gets to go in the bottle as it were some sought of batman cross over would be good for season nine along the lines of "FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING" storyline with wonderwomen:D

[rprice92]

see for me, i own and read a book called The Last Days of Krypton (amazing book if you want to find out what happened before Kal-El got sent to Earth) and to me, that's the bible for how Superman should be followed. Jor-El and Zor-el were brothers and allies not enemies. Jor-el and Zor-el tried to protest everything Zod did and when Zod started taking over Krypton, he attacked Kryptonian cities such as Kandor and Argo City (the city where Zor-El resided). Brainiac bottled up Kandor and Zod continued his pursuit of total domination but Zor-El had constructed a force field device along with the help of Jor-El and it made a bubble around Argo City. When Krypton self-imploded, Argo City was preserved and sent off to space. Kara was yet to be born in this book and that's why she was younger than Clark instead of older cuz she was sent first. I dunno why it would be Kandor unless they're talking about saving the bottled city.

[marcella]

I think Zod is involved in this

[Exedore]

This is so complicated.

Here, let me try to make it simpler:



The Eradicator is a Kryptonian device that believes Clark has to be a ruthless being who does not hesitate to kill in order to become the "ideal Kryptonian"
It has concluded that leaving Clark no option other than to kill Doomsday is the only way to make him the "ideal Kryptonian"
There is some prophecy about saving Kandor and the Eradicator thinks only the "ideal Kryptonian" can save Kandor and/or recreate it on Earth
Since Tess is helping it, she is indirectly becoming Kandor's saviour

I just wish Clark could fly.

Same here. :(


This stuff should not be taking place with Clark not yet fully Superman. What a mess.

Well SV's been bringing in Superman stuff into a pre-Superman Clark's life for years now. It's hardly new. Sad but what can we do? :\

[ironman29758]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandor
Here, let me try to make it simpler:



The Eradicator is a Kryptonian device that believes Clark has to be a ruthless being who does not hesitate to kill in order to become the "ideal Kryptonian"
It has concluded that leaving Clark no option other than to kill Doomsday is the only way to make him the "ideal Kryptonian"
There is some prophecy about saving Kandor and the Eradicator thinks only the "ideal Kryptonian" can save Kandor and/or recreate it on Earth
Since Tess is helping it, she is indirectly becoming Kandor's saviour

To me it could either be Eradicator(makes the most sense), Zod(since post ifinitie crisis Zod swore to save Kandor/have revenge on Brainiac), Jor-el (He also is dedicated to finding Kandor), Zor-el(in Smallville he swore he would find a way to save Kandor)


Same here. :(

Flying doesn't define Superman. It's his actions. Clark/Superman in the early Superman stories could not fly but instead leap over 20 stories building and 1/8th of a mile and he was still doing everything He did to help people.


Well SV's been bringing in Superman stuff into a pre-Superman Clark's life for years now. It's hardly new. Sad but what can we do? :\
SV took elements from the silver age and the movies as well as every form of media. In the silver age Superboy stories Clark met Superboy first meets Perry White ,Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen , Bruce Wayne (Batman),, Oliver Queen (Green Arrow) , Aquaboy (Aquaman) ,Zod and other Phantom Zone villains, Bizarro, The Kryptonite Kid and his dog, the Superboy Revenge Squad/Superman Revenge Sqaud, Mister Mxyzptlk, Lex Luthor, Kryptonite, Legion members, Robin and Supergirl way before he becomes Superman as well as Clark's parents dying as a kid. Also they take things from John Bryne Superman stories like Clark a football player, and things from the Superman movie like Johnathan Kent dying of a heart attack, Fortress of Solitude, various lines and actions as well as other media( Superman the animated series/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited/DCAU,Lois and Clark: the New Adventures of Superman, etc) while staying as an elseworld/Ultimate Superman story so it's not anything new/no big deal

[Exedore]

^ Yes well, flight is somehow exempt from all the Superman things they bring into pre-Superman Clark's life. :(

[BWOracle]

It doesn't but Tess thinks it does...She has been convinced that by Clark fulfilling his destiny, he will be Christ like figure who can save Kandar.

[ironman29758]

^ Yes well, flight is somehow exempt from all the Superman things they bring into pre-Superman Clark's life. :(

as I explain before the take many thing from the comics. Clark not flying is taken from the Golden age/early superman stories and also they say Flying represents Clark officially accepting his destiny as Superman. The only things that made me mad that everyone elswe can fly except Clark but they were able to fly in their first appeaance so I don't mind.

[kg1507]

This is so confusing!!!!!!

[galatians221]

This is so confusing!!!!!!

Agreed. I have never been a comic book Superman fan instead grew up with the George Reeves TV show. It was a simple story of a "strange visitor from another planet with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men". This "Super" man lived a dual life and defeated criminals in Metropolis and beyond and had nothing to do with Aquaman, Potashman, Iguanaman and all of these other things that take away from the uniqueness of the Man of Steel. In this comic stuff he just becomes one of many and isn't so super. He is supposed to be the sole survivor of Krypton but instead we get Kara, Lara, Zor El, Zod, Jor El, and others from Krypton coming in and now I learn about 100,000 wee kryptonians living in a bottle. Give me the simple story of Superman. Oh and make sure he can fly please.

[magic]

destroying the crystal was just a way to force Clark to fulfill the prophecy

when the orb said "you will be the savior of kandor" it engulfed Tess with the energy ball and it looked like Tess was absorbing it.
we'll have to see how it affects her next episode.

[JustWriter]

This is so complicated. I just wish Clark could fly. This stuff should not be taking place with Clark not yet fully Superman. What a mess.

Yeah, I just wish they would give him the glasses already too! He was supposed to get them them from the Legion but SMALLVILLE totally cut that out! I'd been excited because the only episode of the Superman cartoon that I can remember was THAT ONE.

Speaking of Krypton's capital, I remember reading a comic book where Superman flew there and his mother and father (biologically) were there, only I think that they were evil clones or something because they were trying to kill him. It wasn't all that clear to me though because I didn't know why he was there in the first place. It was either badly written or a two-parter without the first part. All of the sudden there were lots of other Kryptonians which is... impossible? :confused: I mean hello; they started the whole series on the premise that Kal El was the only survivor of Krypton. The only other Kryptonians aren't all there or they denied their heritage. (Kara/Supergirl doesn't count.)

Lois steals the orb (even though it's not REALLY an orb by definition because it's not completely round) in the next episode, or at least that's what Tess assumes because in the preview for the next episode she demands Lois tell her where it is. How utterly Lois Lane of her to steal something like that. :rotfl: I find the situation utterly amusing and yet fear for Lois at the same time because I know that Tess is capable of being merciless. :(

[GENERALzod777]

five bucks says its Zod. If the crystal is destroyed he can't be sent back to the PZ.

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(even though it's not REALLY an orb by definition because it's not completely round)

:lol::lol::lol: I'm sort of OCD like that too...

[anewbie]

ok. I am still confused. Kandor is/was a city in the planet Krypton and Braniac saved it by putting it in a snowglobe thing?... and Eradicator is a device from Krypton so is it some kind of a computer device made by kryptonians and it's programmed?

Why is Kandor an important city that it needs to be rebuild?
Is there a connection between the Eradicator and Zod?

so sorry, I have so many questions but i hope someone can shed some light into this...
thanks much..

[paolinki25]

I also get the feeling that thing in the Orb was Zod.

[bigblueplanet]

If it truly is the Eradicator then this might be the reason he/it wanted the crystal destroyed: so that Clark would have no choice but to kill Doomsday. The Eradicator wants to turn Clark into what thinks to be the "ideal Kryptonian". In the comics he once brainwashed Superman into a ruthless being who almost committed murder. When the Eradicator became the "hero" called the Last Son of Krypton, "he" did not hesitate to use brutal force. He/it probably wants Clark to learn to kill and become a ruthless soldier of sorts. Remember that it was talking about some prophecy that Kal El has to fulfill. Probably it has to do with bringing Kandor back. Perhaps it considers becoming the "ideal Kryptonian" is the only way that Clark can "save" Kandor and/or recreate Krypton on Earth via Kandor. And since Tess is helping it to achieve this, she is indirectly becoming Kandor's saviour from its POV.

Kandor could be trapped inside the PZ or the Survival Zone (hopefully it's the latter).

Excellent spec. TBH, I’d love to see Eradicator-possessed Clark just like in the comics.

So you think Zod (I mean if it’s really Zod who is coming) is considered as a ‘good’ guy for this talking orb if he/it is really Eradicator? I bet he is. Zod is much more ‘ruthless soldier’ than Clark can ever be. Eradicator would want both men to dominate the earth and probably enlarge Kandor somewhere and released all Kryptonians who is trapped inside. Wow. Talking about lining up with the Mythos, huh?

Though, of course it’ll never happen because Clark will prevent their plan somehow and besides they don’t have a budget for such a wild plot. :\

[galatians221]

ok. I am still confused. Kandor is/was a city in the planet Krypton and Braniac saved it by putting it in a snowglobe thing?... and Eradicator is a device from Krypton so is it some kind of a computer device made by kryptonians and it's programmed?

Why is Kandor an important city that it needs to be rebuild?
Is there a connection between the Eradicator and Zod?

so sorry, I have so many questions but i hope someone can shed some light into this...
thanks much..

AND.........Kal El is the last survivor of Krypton. Try fitting all of that together.

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I also get the feeling that thing in the Orb was Zod.

I thought Zod was trapped in the crystal when Clark extracted him from Lex? Didn't the crystal kill him?

[JustWriter]

I thought Zod was trapped in the crystal when Clark extracted him from Lex? Didn't the crystal kill him?

It's fiction; you can kill characters off and then find some way for them to come back. :D Either they never died in the first place, somehow they were brought back by accident, or they expected the attack that, 'killed,' them and then planned a way around it. The most popular theory in this thread is that someone was brainwashed into doing their bidding. (Tess)


-jw`chan ^-^

[KryptoKnight]

LOL Well they did do a Terminator VS Superman in the comics so It wouldn't really be a mythos violation

Who is "they"? I Wish I had seen it. But let me guess anyway, green K was involved?

[superhippie2000]

i dont think destroying it saved kandor i think destroying it made it so clark couldnt use it cause him using it would have caused something that made kandor die.

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AND.........Kal El is the last survivor of Krypton. Try fitting all of that together.

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I thought Zod was trapped in the crystal when Clark extracted him from Lex? Didn't the crystal kill him?
the crystal on offscreenville was supposed to send the phantoms back to the zone and the one that clark used to take zod he threw into outer space according to deknight but since we didnt see it then they can always change then main point.

[galatians221]

It's fiction; you can kill characters off and then find some way for them to come back. :D Either they never died in the first place, somehow they were brought back by accident, or they expected the attack that, 'killed,' them and then planned a way around it. The most popular theory in this thread is that someone was brainwashed into doing their bidding. (Tess)


-jw`chan ^-^

Superman is fiction????

[malft]

rprice92 I just referenced The Last Days of Krypton in another thread, you are so right. I also spoke up for using the book as Canon for the Superman mythos.

[galatians221]

rprice92 I just referenced The Last Days of Krypton in another thread, you are so right. I also spoke up for using the book as Canon for the Superman mythos.

All of that bothers me. It's as if the entire mythos was a lie. Kal El is the sole survivor of the planet Krypton. Superman Returns confirmed that. Now we get Kara and Lara and Zor El and Jor El and Zod and Raya and on and on and now 100,000 Kryptonians living in a bottle in the north pole. That's stupid.

[Exedore]

The only thing that can "confirm" anything is the comics. In the current mythos Kal El is far from being the only survivor of Krypton. John Byrne's post Crisis reboot had Kal El as the only survivor but that's been retconned for a long time now.

[Var-Zol]

five bucks says its Zod. If the crystal is destroyed he can't be sent back to the PZ.

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:lol::lol::lol: I'm sort of OCD like that too...


go back and listen closely when the orb scene is shown, you can hear both a man and a woman's voice coming from the orb. i dont think the orb is kandor, but rather a communication "portal" that allows the city to communicate to earth.

[galatians221]

The only thing that can "confirm" anything is the comics. In the current mythos Kal El is far from being the only survivor of Krypton. John Byrne's post Crisis reboot had Kal El as the only survivor but that's been retconned for a long time now.

I wish they'd go back to the old mythos. Superman isn't that super when he's one of many.

[xrayvision]

Well, no matter how many Kryptonians there are, none of them have his values, which are the most important features of Superman. It has been proven over & over again that his upbringing & not his heritage make him Superman.

[dru-zod2501]

I wish they'd go back to the old mythos. Superman isn't that super when he's one of many.
That argument is alarmingly similar to "Superman isn't that super when he isn't the world's most powerful hero," which people tell me is a specious argument.

The destruction of Krypton is central to the mythos, but IMO he doesn't need to be the last necessarily.

[galatians221]

That argument is alarmingly similar to "Superman isn't that super when he isn't the world's most powerful hero," which people tell me is a specious argument.

The destruction of Krypton is central to the mythos, but IMO he doesn't need to be the last necessarily.

I just think that the show should be about "Superman" not Supermen or a lot of super heroes or super powerful beings or freaks of the week. These writers don't have an appreciation for Superman. They are more comfortable with "sortofsuperman"

[bizzaroboy9]

how did tess destroy the crystal?

[xrayvision]

That's another question I had. Kara's blue crystal could only be destroyed by a Kryptonian. Maybe Tess lied and stole it for her own purposes.

[galatians221]

That's another question I had. Kara's blue crystal could only be destroyed by a Kryptonian. Maybe Tess lied and stole it for her own purposes.

I would bet on it. Tess won't give up all of her chips.

[JustWriter]

All of that bothers me. It's as if the entire mythos was a lie. Kal El is the sole survivor of the planet Krypton. Superman Returns confirmed that. Now we get Kara and Lara and Zor El and Jor El and Zod and Raya and on and on and now 100,000 Kryptonians living in a bottle in the north pole. That's stupid.

I totally agree with you but... just the way you wrote that is so HILARIOUS!!! :rotfl::lol:


-jw`chan ^-^

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Well, no matter how many Kryptonians there are, none of them have his values, which are the most important features of Superman. It has been proven over & over again that his upbringing & not his heritage make him Superman.


Good point, but they keep using the phrase, "THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON," a heck of a lot in possibly every SUPERMAN Affiliation.


-jw`chan ;)

[galatians221]

[QUOTE=JustWriter;4829010]I totally agree with you but... just the way you wrote that is so HILARIOUS!!! :rotfl::lol:


Thank you. It's the first time I've been hilarious this week.

[j-kent]

Quite possibly, there is a passage link between Kandor and the PZ. By destroying the crystal, this leaves the quite seemingly only option for Clark to annihilate Doomsday, severing the link of Doomsday possibly escaping the PZ and into Kandor.

[xrayvision]

Quite possibly, there is a passage link between Kandor and the PZ. By destroying the crystal, this leaves the quite seemingly only option for Clark to annihilate Doomsday, severing the link of Doomsday possibly escaping the PZ and into Kandor.

This would have to mean that there is a House of El member in the Phantom Zone to make it possible for Doomsday to escape and get to Kandor. I think they would put the same or similar safeguards on all exit points of the Phantom Zone. It seems like the outdoors gate/portal we saw in Zod was the Jor-El portion of the House of El while the indoors gate/portal we saw in Bloodline was the Zor-El portion of the House of El.

Then again, the voice could easily be tricking Tess. I guess we will find out more on Thursday.

[MethosII]

five bucks says its Zod. If the crystal is destroyed he can't be sent back to the PZ.

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:lol::lol::lol: I'm sort of OCD like that too...

Clark wouldn't need the crystal to open a portal to the phantom zone. He could also use the crystal on Zod that he got from Raya. Where the hell is that thing anyway?

[xrayvision]

Clark wouldn't need the crystal to open a portal to the phantom zone. He could also use the crystal on Zod that he got from Raya. Where the hell is that thing anyway?

Jor-El's crystal? It's destroyed. It shattered to pieces when he used it on the Bizarro phantom and he crashed into it in Phantom. If you slow-mo it, you'll see cracks forming across the crystal as it breaks & shatters. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns up again without any reason like the black crystal did. That black crystal disappeared in Solitude because that black crystal is Brainiac, just like Milton Fine was & just like the Black Ship was (Jor-El said Fine is an extension of the Black Ship, which is the real form of Brainiac). Fine went to his Ship form to get it (that's what he was doing when Chloe was spying on him). When the Milton Fine & Black Ship forms of Brainiac disappeared in Solitude when Fine was impaled in the console, the crystal also disappeared, though it was on the ground & we didn't see it. I refuse to believe that 1) it didn't disappear & 2) that even if it didn't disappear that Clark would keep the very thing that Brainiac tried to release Zod with instead of destroying it. On top of all these things, the crystal couldn't send people to the Phantom Zone. It was shown having positive pressure with respect to the FOS & sucking beings out of the Phantom Zone and blowing them to Earth. That's what we saw with Zod the 1 and only time it was used. Maybe it could be reprogrammed to exhibit a negative pressure with respect to the FOS, but Clark certainly didn't know how to do that.

[galatians221]

Jor-El's crystal? It's destroyed. It shattered to pieces when he used it on the Bizarro phantom and he crashed into it in Phantom. If you slow-mo it, you'll see cracks forming across the crystal as it breaks & shatters. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns up again without any reason like the black crystal did. That black crystal disappeared in Solitude because that black crystal is Brainiac, just like Milton Fine was & just like the Black Ship was (Jor-El said Fine is an extension of the Black Ship, which is the real form of Brainiac). Fine went to his Ship form to get it (that's what he was doing when Chloe was spying on him). When the Milton Fine & Black Ship forms of Brainiac disappeared in Solitude when Fine was impaled in the console, the crystal also disappeared, though it was on the ground & we didn't see it. I refuse to believe that 1) it didn't disappear & 2) that even if it didn't disappear that Clark would keep the very thing that Brainiac tried to release Zod with instead of destroying it. On top of all these things, the crystal couldn't send people to the Phantom Zone. It was shown having positive pressure with respect to the FOS & sucking beings out of the Phantom Zone and blowing them to Earth. That's what we saw with Zod the 1 and only time it was used. Maybe it could be reprogrammed to exhibit a negative pressure with respect to the FOS, but Clark certainly didn't know how to do that.

Couldn't he just ask Chloe how to do it?

[xrayvision]

^^That would have been the moment I shut off the TV. I could only take so much of Chloe being given Clark's role.

[galatians221]

^^That would have been the moment I shut off the TV. I could only take so much of Chloe being given Clark's role.

That's been the norm for some time now as we both know. He needed Chloe's permission to save all of mankind from DD and she said no. The look on his face was one that I've never seen on Smallville from Welling. It was a weird look of emasculation but he wasn't angry. It was like "OK whatever you say dear". I do that every day but I'm not Superman.

[trylox99]

Realy tho tess prob didnt destroy the crystal 1 thing she's good at is lying

[galatians221]

Realy tho tess prob didnt destroy the crystal 1 thing she's good at is lying

I agree. She's got an ace up her sleeve.

[Blue Lantern]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but there is a chance that when Tess says something along the lines of "an entire civilization's existence depends on it", in regards to Clark killing Doomsday, she may have meant Kandor, instead of Earth.

The crystal may have been for Survival Zone, or maybe for some reason, Kandor was sent to the Phantom Zone in this mythos.

By destroying the crystal, Clark will have to kill Doomsday, because he will not be able to use the crystal to send Doomsday to whatever Zone the mythos decides.

This is, of course, just my opinion. I personally do not think that the crystal is destroyed.

[Dominicus]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but there is a chance that when Tess says something along the lines of "an entire civilization's existence depends on it", in regards to Clark killing Doomsday, she may have meant Kandor, instead of Earth.

The crystal may have been for Survival Zone, or maybe for some reason, Kandor was sent to the Phantom Zone in this mythos.

By destroying the crystal, Clark will have to kill Doomsday, because he will not be able to use the crystal to send Doomsday to whatever Zone the mythos decides.

This is, of course, just my opinion. I personally do not think that the crystal is destroyed.Agreed, we never saw the crystal being destroyed, just took Tess's word for it. I can't see her being that completely gullible.

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All of that bothers me. It's as if the entire mythos was a lie. Kal El is the sole survivor of the planet Krypton. Superman Returns confirmed that. Now we get Kara and Lara and Zor El and Jor El and Zod and Raya and on and on and now 100,000 Kryptonians living in a bottle in the north pole. That's stupid.Agreed, LnC did something similar without all Zor-el's, but with a space colony and its people wanted to migrate to earth because of the yellow sun. Where the colony was located I think had a red sun, which made them defenseless, and of course powerless t set the premise The race was dwindling, and this colony was made as a last ditch effort abroad ship that escaped the destruction of Krypton, at least that made logical sense as oppose to this version of the mythos I never quite enjoyed really. Would've been quite the story if LnC wasn't so... corny in a word.

[JustWriter]

Clark wouldn't need the crystal to open a portal to the phantom zone. He could also use the crystal on Zod that he got from Raya. Where the hell is that thing anyway?

The crystal only works on phantoms. This Zod could be a Clone.


-jw`chan

[JustWriter]

What I mean is that this Zod is obviously corporeal. He has a body that looks like it belongs to him. If it's his own body then the crystal that Raya gave him won't work.


-jw`chan

[Young Superman]

Agreed. I have never been a comic book Superman fan instead grew up with the George Reeves TV show. It was a simple story of a "strange visitor from another planet with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men". This "Super" man lived a dual life and defeated criminals in Metropolis and beyond and had nothing to do with Aquaman, Potashman, Iguanaman and all of these other things that take away from the uniqueness of the Man of Steel. In this comic stuff he just becomes one of many and isn't so super. He is supposed to be the sole survivor of Krypton but instead we get Kara, Lara, Zor El, Zod, Jor El, and others from Krypton coming in and now I learn about 100,000 wee kryptonians living in a bottle. Give me the simple story of Superman. Oh and make sure he can fly please.
Agreed, and I also LOVE the 50's Superman t.v series starring George Reeves.