What changed between Infamous & Beast?

[xrayvision]

As seen in the initial timeline in Infamous, Chloe's presence did nothing to stop Davis from changing into Doomsday. The very realization that Clark was a Kryptonian made his transformation into Doomsday out of control and nothing could stop it. What has changed since then that Chloe was able to keep him from transforming (starting in Eternal)?

I don't get it. He knows Clark is a Kryptonian now. Doomsday is supposed to hate Kryptonians and be drawn to them. This much was indicated in Infamous when Davis said that he was drawn to Clark and realized that his #1 mission to kill him could not be put off by anything. When did Doomsday go Dawson's Creek? Is this a plothole, or is there something I'm not noticing? The only thing different about Chloe is that she's not married anymore. If DD was attracted to Chloe before, I don't think her marital status would be a factor. It wasn't in Infamous or in Bride for that matter.

I'm just confused.

[wafflles87]

well, you see, I think that...

Sorry, had to climb out of the plothole...

[Supsfan]

Not defending the stupidity of it, but I think the Doctor yesterday said that maybe endorphins inside Davis control him not to change because he is in Love is the logic the show is giving.

[wafflles87]

Not defending the stupidity of it, but I think the Doctor yesterday said that maybe endorphins inside Davis control him not to change because he is in Love is the logic the show is giving.

I'm no Bill Nye the Science Guy, but didn't that idea get shot to hell when he was affected by Chloe's presence without knowing she was there in the FOS?

[amberdawn]

well, you see, I think that...

Sorry, had to climb out of the plothole...


:lol:

[xrayvision]

I'm no Bill Nye the Science Guy, but didn't that idea get shot to hell when he was affected by Chloe's presence without knowing she was there in the FOS?

You're right. In addition to your point, when did these endorphins surface? Weren't they still there back in Infamous when Chloe's presence did nothing to stop his transformation?

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well, you see, I think that...

Sorry, had to climb out of the plothole...


Was Jed McNally down there digging with his mole-like abilities? :lol:

[BackToTheLies]

Even him carrying her away from her wedding and remaining in Doomsday form all the way to the Fortress was a major major hole in that angle.

[TopBanana]

I guess their "bond" has gotten stronger now. What with Davis fully confessing his love to Chloe, and them spending an awful lot of time together locked in the basement... maybe Chloe's 'Power of Soothe' has increased?

[xrayvision]

I know. At most, I could say something that Chloeiac did caused the difference, but we saw the same unaffected by Chloe transformation in Infamous, so it can't be anything that Chloeiac did to him.

[SandyV]

I know. At most, I could say something that Chloeiac did caused the difference, but we saw the same unaffected by Chloe transformation in Infamous, so it can't be anything that Chloeiac did to him.

We never saw what happened after Doomsday ripped off the door, if I rememner correctly. Maybe he saw her and morphed back into Davis...

[xrayvision]

We never saw what happened after Doomsday ripped off the door, if I rememner correctly. Maybe he saw her and morphed back into Davis...

Why would he morph back to Davis? He changed in front of her in Isis or wherever it was when Chloe told him to stay away from Clark. If something in Chloe prevents him from changing, then why did he change into DD in front of Chloe & chase her down? Why not remain as Davis in that scene? This is my main point. What changed since Infamous that causes him not to change in Chloe's presence when in Infamous & Bride he changed even with Chloe right next to him?

[natbug]

I don't remember exactly how it happened in Infamous (maybe I'll check it out late), but wasn't Chloe genuinely scared of Davis when she found out. I sort of remember her rejecting him and running away in fear/horror. From the end of Eternal through Beast she's kind to him, helping him, and not rejecting him. Cann't explain Bride.

Also, I think he did see her arrive in the fortress. Clark's back is to Chloe and Davis is facing the flash of light when we see him return to his human self - then we see Chloe. Check it out again if you want. The first time I saw the episode, I didn't quite catch it. The second time I did.

[Vergon6]

I think what happened is ever since "Turbulence", knowing Jimmy is out of the way, and also since "Eternal" where they are spending so much more time together, his obsession has grown.

[xrayvision]

I don't remember exactly how it happened in Infamous (maybe I'll check it out late), but wasn't Chloe genuinely scared of Davis when she found out. I sort of remember her rejecting him and running away in fear/horror. From the end of Eternal through Beast she's kind to him, helping him, and not rejecting him. Cann't explain Bride.

Actually, the reason Chloe ran away was because Davis told her to. So again, if Chloe had some effect on Davis, it certainly wasn't there in Infamous.

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I think what happened is ever since "Turbulence", knowing Jimmy is out of the way, and also since "Eternal" where they are spending so much more time together, his obsession has grown.

I just don't think Chloe being married was of any significance to Davis/Doomsday. Maybe this will be revealed to be the case. I'll be open to this. But a creature as ferocious as Doomsday doesn't seem like one to be harping over small details like her marital status.

[Violet-Shadow]

I think what happened is ever since "Turbulence", knowing Jimmy is out of the way, and also since "Eternal" where they are spending so much more time together, his obsession has grown.

That's what I think too. It's all about Davis' growing obsession because the creature clearly doesn't love Chloe (IMO).

[wickedwango]

It might be due to the fact that he killed Linda at the end of Infamous, so he found a way to tame himself, so that it would be different when Chloe was around.

[alienkinfolk]

That's what I think too. It's all about Davis' growing obsession because the creature clearly doesn't love Chloe (IMO).

yes obsession! It would be better to think that instead of turning this into an alien love story,been there done that!:rolleyes:

[Davis Bloome]

I think DD loves her to a certain degree. Probably they are still the feelings Davis feels for him, which tell DD not to kill her at least. I think those feelings might go down when Davis become DD, but I don't think they totally disappear, cause DD/Davis still has feelings when transforming into DD.

[natbug]

[quote=xrayvision;4794215]Actually, the reason Chloe ran away was because Davis told her to. So again, if Chloe had some effect on Davis, it certainly wasn't there in Infamous.

Just rewatched Infamous, you're right. Davis even told Chloe to warn Clark. I'm just as Charlie Lima as you are. Maybe like some other posters are saying, his emotional attachment to Chloe is stronger now which makes the difference. Dr. Hamilton pointed out to Chloe via computer at Watchtower/Isis Central that strong feelings, obsessions, etc. could help Davis to control the beast, and she might be the cure. Perhaps this is how TPTB is addressing your question. Who knows if they'll further explain it. It may be good enough to them.

[justme_007]

As seen in the initial timeline in Infamous, Chloe's presence did nothing to stop Davis from changing into Doomsday. The very realization that Clark was a Kryptonian made his transformation into Doomsday out of control and nothing could stop it. What has changed since then that Chloe was able to keep him from transforming (starting in Eternal)?

I don't get it. He knows Clark is a Kryptonian now. Doomsday is supposed to hate Kryptonians and be drawn to them. This much was indicated in Infamous when Davis said that he was drawn to Clark and realized that his #1 mission to kill him could not be put off by anything. When did Doomsday go Dawson's Creek? Is this a plothole, or is there something I'm not noticing? The only thing different about Chloe is that she's not married anymore. If DD was attracted to Chloe before, I don't think her marital status would be a factor. It wasn't in Infamous or in Bride for that matter.

I'm just confused.

This is a plothole i think . Clark punches Davis and he doesn´t morph into Doomsday :confused: I don´t get it

[xrayvision]

I think DD loves her to a certain degree. Probably they are still the feelings Davis feels for him, which tell DD not to kill her at least. I think those feelings might go down when Davis become DD, but I don't think they totally disappear, cause DD/Davis still has feelings when transforming into DD.

It's a shame TPTB suck at origins. They never gave us an origin except for Clark. Everything else is shrouded in mystery. In the comics, there was a storyline where Doomsday was vaporized by a being named Imperiex where only his skeleton remained. Lex's team of scientists got their hands on the skeleton and implanted Superman's DNA in it, and when Doomsday's skin and body grew back, he was able to talk and have feelings & fear. Smallville's Doomsday pretty much is the same as Doomsday for the time that he had Superman's DNA, except he has his own DNA since part of him is the son of Zod & Faora. So even though he doesn't have Superman's DNA in Smallville, he does have the DNA of a normal Kryptonian within him in addition to the DNA of Doomsday.

The strange thing is that even though Smallville's Doomsday has the same circumstances as the comics Doomsday after Superman's DNA was implanted in him, Smallville's DD alternates between Davis & Doomsday whereas the comics DD was always DD, but a sentient DD. He didn't alternate between DD and a Superman clone. So I doubt that DD will be talking once he's permanently DD.

Thinking about it now, I think it would have been better if Smallville's DD started off like the sentient DD who would have conversations with Clark and actually get along with him, but who would be vaporized by some advanced being/creature and have the DNA that kept him sentient remove from his remains so that he returned fully mindless and a monster. Because looking at the way they did it, it really stinks. Beast proved to me that they're purposely slowing down the Clark-DD plot as much as they can because other than the fight, they are out of ideas and can't do anything else. Had they started DD off as a sentient creature who was being hunted by Lex's/Tess' men with Clark showing up to protect him, things could have been so much more interesting.

[jpfort1957]

Chloe's affect on Davis has already peaked. Hamilton told her Davis's cells are evolving as each minute passes. Now her affect is on the downhill slide. Soon she'll be able stop nothing!!!!!!!!!

[xrayvision]

I believe you are right John.

[bigblueplanet]

As seen in the initial timeline in Infamous, Chloe's presence did nothing to stop Davis from changing into Doomsday. The very realization that Clark was a Kryptonian made his transformation into Doomsday out of control and nothing could stop it. What has changed since then that Chloe was able to keep him from transforming (starting in Eternal)?

I don't get it. He knows Clark is a Kryptonian now. Doomsday is supposed to hate Kryptonians and be drawn to them. This much was indicated in Infamous when Davis said that he was drawn to Clark and realized that his #1 mission to kill him could not be put off by anything. When did Doomsday go Dawson's Creek? Is this a plothole, or is there something I'm not noticing? The only thing different about Chloe is that she's not married anymore. If DD was attracted to Chloe before, I don't think her marital status would be a factor. It wasn't in Infamous or in Bride for that matter.

I'm just confused.

Good point. So it seems like no one is able to solve this mystery yet?

I also wonder what changed his mind, between Eternal and Beast (i.e. other than inconsistent & illogic writing).

I mean, why he was ready to kill himself 2 episodes ago even though he loved Chloe and all, but not now? Even Clark was trying to help him out back then but Davis said “Enough, Clark! (and kill me already)”, but now, it's suddenly “If I go (to PZ), you go”???

I don’t get it. Why sudden change of attitude? Did I miss something? :confused:

[wafflles87]

I don’t get it. Why sudden change of attitude? Did I miss something? :confused:

I'm seriously starting to wonder if them writers are even watching all the episodes they did NOT contribute to. It's like half the time they have no frelling idea what the frell is going on in this here show they're working for.

[Cogito17]

I don't think Chloe is a 100% lock on the DD transformation, she just helps to keep the beast at bay. Didn't he kill the guy in Stilleto while in Doomsday form with Chloe right there? I don't remember exactly, but I think the growling and shadows seemed to imply that he was. If that was the case... then Chloe's plan is even worse than I thought because she isn't a gauranteed control on Davis.

[wafflles87]

I don't think Chloe is a 100% lock on the DD transformation, she just helps to keep the beast at bay. Didn't he kill the guy in Stilleto while in Doomsday form with Chloe right there? I don't remember exactly, but I think the growling and shadows seemed to imply that he was. If that was the case... then Chloe's plan is even worse than I thought because she isn't a gauranteed control on Davis.

Oy, that's true... I'd forgotten about the Stiletto bit.

Wow... talk about inconsistencies... so In Eternal she keeps the beast at bay, then one episode later in Stiletto, the beast is around her, killing someone, and after one more epi, in Beast, once again she seems to keep him at bay, but by her presence only this time...

[amalie]

Good point. So it seems like no one is able to solve this mystery yet?

I also wonder what changed his mind, between Eternal and Beast (i.e. other than inconsistent & illogic writing).

I mean, why he was ready to kill himself 2 episodes ago even though he loved Chloe and all, but not now? Even Clark was trying to help him out back then but Davis said “Enough, Clark! (and kill me already)”, but now, it's suddenly “If I go (to PZ), you go”???

I don’t get it. Why sudden change of attitude? Did I miss something? :confused:


I'm guessing that's a hint that he's getting further and further away from Davis Bloom and closer to DD. He showed very little humanity in Beast, everytime Chloe wasn't around he was pretty much trying to kill people or threaten them, he was more tolerable when she was there.

As to why Chloe's influence suddenly works when it didn't in Infamous? I'm stumped :confused:

[Cogito17]

Oy, that's true... I'd forgotten about the Stiletto bit.

Wow... talk about inconsistencies... so In Eternal she keeps the beast at bay, then one episode later in Stiletto, the beast is around her, killing someone, and after one more epi, in Beast, once again she seems to keep him at bay, but by her presence only this time...

The point that they need to clarify is exactly how much does Chloe's presence affect him. Chloe and Davis seem to think they have a fool proof plan, but that doesn't seem to actually be the case. She may be able to exert some influence, but evidently not enough to keep him completely under control as they seem to think.

[amalie]

The point that they seem to need to clarify is exactly how much does Chloe's presence affect him. Chloe and Davis seem to think they have a fool proof plan, but that doesn't seem to actually be the case.


Yep, it's anything but fool proof as I'm sure Jimmy and Oliver could attest. The scene in the Fortress was the most telling, she clearly had a big influence on him but ultimately she isn't going to be around forever, heck in the last two episodes alone she'd left him unattended about 5 times.

[ironman29758]

I'm guessing that's a hint that he's getting further and further away from Davis Bloom and closer to DD. He showed very little humanity in Beast, everytime Chloe wasn't around he was pretty much trying to kill people or threaten them, he was more tolerable when she was there.

As to why Chloe's influence suddenly works when it didn't in Infamous? I'm stumped :confused:

I think it's not only Chloe but also because he was killing people as Davis keeping the monster at bay as well

[amalie]

I think it's not only Chloe but also because he was killing people as Davis keeping the monster at bay as well

Wouldn't that work the other way round. In Infamous he was killing people and Chloe had no ability to stop him transforming. Yet now, when he's presumebly not killing people (AJ excluded), she can control him :confused:

[ClarkyBoy14]

I think what happened is ever since "Turbulence", knowing Jimmy is out of the way, and also since "Eternal" where they are spending so much more time together, his obsession has grown.

I think that's a pretty good explanation.

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Oy, that's true... I'd forgotten about the Stiletto bit.

Wow... talk about inconsistencies... so In Eternal she keeps the beast at bay, then one episode later in Stiletto, the beast is around her, killing someone, and after one more epi, in Beast, once again she seems to keep him at bay, but by her presence only this time...

Well, it seemed like he killed AJ to protect Chloe, so I don't think he was fully Doomsday.

[Hopefulsuicide]

well, you see, I think that...

Sorry, had to climb out of the plothole...


:rotfl:

[bigblueplanet]

I'm guessing that's a hint that he's getting further and further away from Davis Bloom and closer to DD. He showed very little humanity in Beast, everytime Chloe wasn't around he was pretty much trying to kill people or threaten them, he was more tolerable when she was there.

As to why Chloe's influence suddenly works when it didn't in Infamous? I'm stumped :confused:

LOL! A Lot of question marks around here. :lol:

So we'll settle down for “It’s because Chloe is no longer married.”? This one sounds quite rational, isn’t it?

I'm seriously starting to wonder if them writers are even watching all the episodes they did NOT contribute to. It's like half the time they have no frelling idea what the frell is going on in this here show they're working for.

Or this...

I don’t know about anyone else but I LOLed when Clark said “I was wrong, Davis”, when DD said “Why my Kryptonian brother won’t let me have that (happy life with Chloe)?” Clark was only speaking metaphorically in 'Eternal', right? …. As in “We could’ve been brothers if my parents found us both.”…. etc. Or did he really think Davis was his brother? Did I miss something again? lol

[xrayvision]

Good point. So it seems like no one is able to solve this mystery yet?

I also wonder what changed his mind, between Eternal and Beast (i.e. other than inconsistent & illogic writing).

I mean, why he was ready to kill himself 2 episodes ago even though he loved Chloe and all, but not now? Even Clark was trying to help him out back then but Davis said “Enough, Clark! (and kill me already)”, but now, it's suddenly “If I go (to PZ), you go”???

I don’t get it. Why sudden change of attitude? Did I miss something? :confused:

One thing I said in various Eternal threads was that Davis was playing them. I thought Davis said that so he could gain invulnerability to kryptonite, which was Clark's main weakness as he saw himself, so that when he returned, Clark wouldn't be able to stop him from getting Chloe and doing whatever he wanted. Davis knew "that which kills him makes him stronger" as Faora told him and had to know that kryptonite also wouldn't permanently kill him. So I would still say he played them in Eternal & he's playing them still. Notice how defensive he got in Prey when Clark was onto his murders. Davis is out for Davis. He is evil and doesn't care about anything else except for what Davis wants. He wants to have Chloe for as long as he can until the beast within gets bored and doesn't give a crap what happens to her after that.

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LOL! A Lot of question marks around here. :lol:

So we'll settle down for “It’s because Chloe is no longer married.”? This one sounds quite rational, isn’t it?



Or this...

I don’t know about anyone else but I LOLed when Clark said “I was wrong, Davis”, when DD said “Why my Kryptonian brother won’t let me have that (happy life with Chloe)?” Clark was only speaking metaphorically in 'Eternal', right? …. As in “We could’ve been brothers if my parents found us both.”…. etc. Or did he really think Davis was his brother? Did I miss something again? lol

I wonder if Clark even knows who Davis' parents are. I don't think I remember him finding out. Otherwise he would have gone after Davis a long time ago.